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Busting Balls and Defusing Bombs with Peg Munson · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: It's almost famous podcasts.
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  Speaker 3: And today we're getting the chat with a woman we
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  Speaker 3: fell in love with. She can dance, she can ride
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  Speaker 3: a unicycle, and she worked on the bomb Squad for
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  Speaker 3: Crying Out Loud.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go.
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  Speaker 3: She's beyond cool. Today we're chatting with Golden Bachelor's Peg Munson.
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  Speaker 4: All right, Peg is on the line, guys, and I
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  Speaker 4: want to ask our bomb diffuser, like do you do
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  Speaker 4: mission impossible like things?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 5: My god, which one you guys?
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  Speaker 4: I know, the most dramatic, the most Vegas.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, the most Vegas is we had a love triangle
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  Speaker 6: go back in Vegas in the nineties.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a love triangle. I'm telling you.
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  Speaker 6: So it was some guy was dating the chick, but
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  Speaker 6: the chick had the boyfriend. But the husband was involved,
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  Speaker 6: So I think it was the boyfriend was suspicious and
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  Speaker 6: they cut The boyfriend caught them, found out she was married.
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  Speaker 6: He worked at the Luxor hotel. You guys could google this.
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  Speaker 6: It's all over.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it's on the internet.
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  Speaker 6: But in long story short, the guy got pissed off
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  Speaker 6: hired a bomb maker out of South America. So the
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  Speaker 6: guy made a bomb. So when the guy came out
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  Speaker 6: of the Lexor Hotel to finish his shift, he saw
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  Speaker 6: a seven to eleven coffee cup on his car, right,
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  Speaker 6: just a normal seven eleven coffee cup.
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  Speaker 5: So the guy picked it up and as he picked
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  Speaker 5: it up.
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  Speaker 6: It's a pressure plate. Picked it up, boom, it went
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  Speaker 6: off and killed him. There was a pipe bomb inside
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  Speaker 6: of the coffee cup. So yeah, so that.
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  Speaker 5: Was my it was.
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  Speaker 6: That was uh yeah, that was a very interesting let's
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  Speaker 6: put it that way. That was a very interesting call.
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  Speaker 6: So it was a love triangle gone bad.
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  Speaker 5: You guys.
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  Speaker 3: Lesson for all of our listeners and myself included, if
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  Speaker 3: you find some foreign object sitting randomly in a place,
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  Speaker 3: I guess, don't touch.
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  Speaker 5: No, don't touch it, don't touch it. We've had we've
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  Speaker 5: had baby.
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  Speaker 6: Diapers bags, you know, bags like you know baby bag
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  Speaker 6: diapers that used to carry when you were you know
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  Speaker 6: you got a kid diaper bags, No, thank you.
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  Speaker 5: Diaper because it's been a long time. Can you tell
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  Speaker 5: a diaper bag explode?
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  Speaker 6: You know, we've had briefcases explode, backpacks explode, you know,
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  Speaker 6: coffee cups explode. Yeah, they'll they'll figure out where to
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  Speaker 6: put a bomb anywhere. So yeah, yeah, don't touch it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to be on edge. I'm going to be
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  Speaker 2: on edge.
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  Speaker 4: You're going to me too. I would never think not
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  Speaker 4: to move a cup from my yeah, hold of my car.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, don't piss me off, you guys.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you've got creativeness. Hey, you dm us saying that
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  Speaker 3: you wanted to come on and speak and share the truth.
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  Speaker 3: Why was it so important for you to share the
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  Speaker 3: truth with us?
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  Speaker 5: Well, you know what, there's been a lot of things
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  Speaker 5: going on.
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  Speaker 6: Cindy said this, this one said that, that one said
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  Speaker 6: yeah this, And it's kind of like remember that game
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  Speaker 6: that you guys we played when we were kids. Everybody
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  Speaker 6: sat in a circle and you started out with the
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  Speaker 6: person saying I had a peanut butter and jelly salafant,
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  Speaker 6: thank you telephone, And the time you got back around,
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  Speaker 6: it was like you're you're riding a pink elephant, you know.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah? Serious?
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  Speaker 6: Right, So you know, look, I love all the girls,
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  Speaker 6: I love Cindy, but you know there's some things that
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  Speaker 6: had happened and I had just gotten to look, I'm
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  Speaker 6: a really really you know, I love deep and I
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  Speaker 6: love hard. I really do and I'm a protector. Look
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  Speaker 6: what I did for a living. I protect people. If
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  Speaker 6: I love you, I will literally give my life for you.
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  Speaker 5: I really will. That's just my nature. And I will
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  Speaker 5: take so much.
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  Speaker 6: But then there's a point to where I'm like, Okay,
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  Speaker 6: that's enough, that's enough, that's enough. And there just was
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  Speaker 6: some things that were said though just they were not true.
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  Speaker 6: They just and you guys are going to have Mail
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  Speaker 6: on on Monday, and so you guys, can you know,
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  Speaker 6: talk to him about those things because I don't want
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  Speaker 6: to speak for him. I don't want to speak for Sin,
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  Speaker 6: but I know, you know, there's things that happened that
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  Speaker 6: she said that just are not through and it just,
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  Speaker 6: you know, I don't know, you guys, I'm at the
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  Speaker 6: point to where it's like, you know, live and let
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  Speaker 6: live whatever. I'm at that point where honestly it really
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  Speaker 6: doesn't matter. I mean her, her experience on the show
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  Speaker 6: is her experience. Mail's experience on the show is Mel's experience,
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  Speaker 6: and my experience on the show is my experience. There
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  Speaker 6: are some things I can't talk about because of the contract.
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  Speaker 6: And you guys understand because you come from this world
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  Speaker 6: that I just you know, I cannot say, so I'm
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  Speaker 6: just gonna leave it at that. You know, I did
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  Speaker 6: text her at Thanksgiving and I asked her just to please,
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  Speaker 6: you know, stop talking, because, you guys, it started to
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  Speaker 6: hurt my heart. I'm gonna be honest, it hurt my heart.
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  Speaker 6: It's like, why is she saying this stuff? She and
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  Speaker 6: what really bothers me the most, you guys, is that
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  Speaker 6: And you guys come from the Bachelor world. I got
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  Speaker 6: to spend twenty four hours with Meil, she got fifteen
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  Speaker 6: hours with Mail. How the hell do you know somebody's
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  Speaker 6: character at fifteen hours or twenty hours? You just don't
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  Speaker 6: so to speak about somebody's character or my character.
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  Speaker 5: You don't know us.
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  Speaker 6: You know, you don't know me, and you really don't
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  Speaker 6: know Mail. You know, you really don't And that's the truth.
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  Speaker 6: And that's why I asked her that whole text at Thanksgiving.
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  Speaker 6: It was like, Hey, I hope you're having a beautiful
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  Speaker 6: time with you and your family. Can you please just
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  Speaker 6: talk about your own experience. It got to me, It
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  Speaker 6: got like.
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  Speaker 5: You don't know him and you don't know me, so
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  Speaker 5: please don't talk about our characters when you really don't
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  Speaker 5: know us. You know that.
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  Speaker 6: Fifteen hours that you got to spend with somebody, that's it.
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  Speaker 5: That's all you know. And come on, you know, it
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  Speaker 5: takes a long time to get to know somebody. So
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  Speaker 5: that's what that was. And in a nutshell, you guys.
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  Speaker 4: Was it our podcast that she said something specifically that
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  Speaker 4: set you off?
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  Speaker 6: Well what happened was She's just she kind of went
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  Speaker 6: on all these podcasts, there's like several of.
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  Speaker 5: Them, and I just, you know what, Honestly, in my heart.
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  Speaker 6: I'm gonna be really honest with you guys, I just
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  Speaker 6: wish she would have had a little bit more grad
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  Speaker 6: attitude and humility and grace. You know, look, we all
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  Speaker 6: went on this show. You know, we all knew what
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  Speaker 6: we signed up for, right, we all did. There's going
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  Speaker 6: to be one person at the end. And I always
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  Speaker 6: said in all my interviews, her idea of love was
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  Speaker 6: just different than my ideal of love and different from Mells's.
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  Speaker 5: Idea of love.
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  Speaker 6: She truly wants to get married, and God bless her,
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  Speaker 6: she has every right to be married. But as sixty
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  Speaker 6: two years old and at seventy sixty seven years old,
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  Speaker 6: we know better. We are like, that's not reality. I
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  Speaker 6: don't want to be another Bachelor Nation statistic.
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  Speaker 5: I really don't, you know. It's like, oh, I love you,
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  Speaker 5: get down.
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  Speaker 6: On one knee, and then you know, a week or
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  Speaker 6: months later it doesn't work out. I honestly came to
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  Speaker 6: this platform to really to find a guy that, honestly,
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  Speaker 6: I'm going to be honest with you, that I could date.
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  Speaker 6: I didn't want to get married because I don't know
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  Speaker 6: how am I going to marry you when I don't
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  Speaker 6: even know you? I mean to me, to me, that's insanity.
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  Speaker 6: I don't want you proposing to me when I don't
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  Speaker 6: even know who you are.
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  Speaker 5: Are you know, I've got to like you.
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  Speaker 6: I've got to know you before we take that next step,
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  Speaker 6: and that takes time.
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  Speaker 3: The interesting thing I'd love for you to elaborate a
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  Speaker 3: little bit on your what you said there is her
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  Speaker 3: idea of love was different than your ideal love.
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  Speaker 2: What did you mean by that?
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  Speaker 5: Well?
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  Speaker 6: When when Melan I had that opportunity to go into
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  Speaker 6: the fantasy suite with no cameras and no mics, you know,
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  Speaker 6: that was a really good opportunity to really find out
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  Speaker 6: if this is a person that I could even date.
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  Speaker 6: And that's where I'm at come on, I'm sixty two
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  Speaker 6: years old, you guys. I've been engaged, I've been married.
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  Speaker 6: You know, we have life experience. And I don't live
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  Speaker 6: in fantasy land.
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  Speaker 5: I just don't.
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  Speaker 6: I live in the reality, in the real world. And
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  Speaker 6: so getting to the fantasy suite and being able to
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  Speaker 6: really let down your guard and really talk about what
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  Speaker 6: you want. Who are you, what are your goals, what
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  Speaker 6: are your ideas? You know, what are you thinking? Because
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  Speaker 6: I don't want to do it for TV. I wasn't
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  Speaker 6: there to do it for TV. I was there to
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  Speaker 6: do it for.
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  Speaker 5: Me, you know.
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  Speaker 6: And I told mail you guys at hometowns, I said
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  Speaker 6: to him, because he said to me, at hometowns, he goes,
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  Speaker 6: look the cameras are off.
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  Speaker 5: He said, look, you know, at the end, I really
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  Speaker 5: hope it's you.
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  Speaker 6: And I looked at him and I said to him,
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  Speaker 6: then get us to the fantasy suites, because if you
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  Speaker 6: really feel that way, then get us to the fantasy
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  Speaker 6: suites so I can so I can get to know
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  Speaker 6: who you are, because not only you know, he's there
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  Speaker 6: to find a girl, you know, a gal. I'm there
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  Speaker 6: to find a guy. But are you the right guy
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  Speaker 6: for me? And am I the right girl for you,
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  Speaker 6: and that opportunity you guys, that we had at the
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  Speaker 6: Fantasy Suite, that was That's what did it for us.
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  Speaker 5: That's what kind of put us over the edge.
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  Speaker 6: To really have that time without TV land around and
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  Speaker 6: really get to know this person.
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  Speaker 4: You mentioned about like her having fifteen hours and like
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  Speaker 4: you not knowing her and her not knowing you. I
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  Speaker 4: could understand you saying that you don't know the lead
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  Speaker 4: in that amount of time on the main show, but
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  Speaker 4: I feel like you do get to know the girls
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  Speaker 4: and that you're living with, especially if you're the two
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  Speaker 4: that get to the end, so you still feel like
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  Speaker 4: you didn't really get to you didn't really know.
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  Speaker 5: Come on, you guys.
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  Speaker 6: No, that was we got what, uh ten days in
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  Speaker 6: the house with each other, and.
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  Speaker 4: You know how precison shorter than ours.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yah, that's right exactly, And it was I mean,
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  Speaker 6: we got ten days in the house together maybe and
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  Speaker 6: when we when that whole is like it was about okay,
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  Speaker 6: let's say I'll give it fourteen days. But we're doing things.
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  Speaker 6: Everybody's going on dates. You guys, you know how it
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  Speaker 6: works with production, It's like this they've guided it down
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  Speaker 6: to a science and.
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  Speaker 5: Your go go, go go, And so do you really
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  Speaker 5: get to know somebody in two weeks?
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  Speaker 6: You tell me, you guys, do you really get to
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  Speaker 6: know somebody in two weeks? Then when we went to hometowns,
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  Speaker 6: I didn't see any of the girls. They keep us
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  Speaker 6: sequestered away from each other that whole entire week. And
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  Speaker 6: then when we went to Antigua, they keep us sequestered
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  Speaker 6: as well, So I didn't see Mail, I didn't see
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  Speaker 6: you know, Cindy, you only get to see that person
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  Speaker 6: that production wants you to see and to talk to.
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  Speaker 6: They're running a show, you know, and that's the purpose
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  Speaker 6: of the show, you know, that's the that's the you know,
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  Speaker 6: it's a dating show, and they have their way of
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  Speaker 6: doing things. So, no, she doesn't know who I am.
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  Speaker 5: She to this day she doesn't know who I am. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: and I don't really know Cindy.
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  Speaker 3: The I would have to imagine walking through this, and goodness,
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  Speaker 3: it's been years. I'd have to imagine though, that once
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  Speaker 3: you got to the fantasy suites and the two of
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  Speaker 3: you sat down and had the conversation of I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to get married, and you're saying I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to get married.
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  Speaker 2: I want to date you.
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  Speaker 3: That would be a difficult conversation for I'd say ninety
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  Speaker 3: nine percent of the seasons that have existed, because most
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  Speaker 3: of the seasons you go into it and the fans
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  Speaker 3: go into it believing that the lead is ready excited
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  Speaker 3: and wanting to get married. I mean, that's what makes
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  Speaker 3: the Bachelor, Bachelor, app Golden Bachelor different than all the
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  Speaker 3: other reality.
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  Speaker 2: Shows out there.
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  Speaker 3: Right there, there is the idea that, hey, we are
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  Speaker 3: finding our forever partner potentially on the show. And it's
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  Speaker 3: worked for some and not worked for many, but it's
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  Speaker 3: the idea of the show. So to have that conversation
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  Speaker 3: would be a bigger deal at the time than maybe
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  Speaker 3: it seems today. Can you give us a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of insight into how that conversation went, how you knew
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  Speaker 3: it was even a conversation mel would be willing to have,
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  Speaker 3: and for him to know that you'd be willing to
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  Speaker 3: have it.
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  Speaker 6: Well, it's interesting, you guys. Okay, here's the thing. Eleven percent. Statistically,
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  Speaker 6: if you guys have done your research, only eleven percent
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  Speaker 6: of couples worked out in twenty years.
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  Speaker 5: That's only eleven percent. That's it.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, so why are we in our sixties, you guys
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  Speaker 6: that we've been married, we've been divorced, right, We've had families,
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  Speaker 6: we have jobs, we've had careers, we've sent our kids
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  Speaker 6: to college. We've done all the things that are supposed
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  Speaker 6: to be done. We've checked all the boxes. So when
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  Speaker 6: you guys come back to me, when you guys are
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  Speaker 6: sixty years old, and I tell you, honestly, this conversation
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  Speaker 6: will be a lot different because what you learn over
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  Speaker 6: life there is no forever.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 6: I've talked to my girlfriend on the phone last night
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  Speaker 6: and she was married for thirty five years. My best
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  Speaker 6: friend from high school who signed me up for the show,
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  Speaker 6: she lost her husband, he was a firefighter to cancer.
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  Speaker 5: And she said, you know, Peg, I realized one thing.
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  Speaker 5: There is no forever. There's just not.
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  Speaker 6: You can be married, you can have families, and you
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  Speaker 6: can love, and you can have this wonderful life.
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  Speaker 5: But you know what, somebody's going to die.
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  Speaker 6: Either you're going to outlive your spouse or the other
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  Speaker 6: spouse is going to outlive you, or you divorce. So
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  Speaker 6: this fantasy, you guys that we grew up with with
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  Speaker 6: Disneyland and the Princess and the night in white shining
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  Speaker 6: armor is going to come save us.
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  Speaker 5: It's not real.
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  Speaker 6: The reality of life is is you've got to date,
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  Speaker 6: and you've got to know somebody.
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  Speaker 5: And I honestly really.
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  Speaker 6: Do believe in my heart if people would have taken
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  Speaker 6: take more time to get to know people, the divorce
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  Speaker 6: rate would be a lot less because people jump in
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  Speaker 6: and they jump in with this fantasy and the and
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  Speaker 6: all the hormones are raging and all that, you know,
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  Speaker 6: the infatuation, and it's just not real. And like I
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  Speaker 6: said in the show, you guys, what I've learned in
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  Speaker 6: my sixties is I'm really looking for that fireplace. I'm
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  Speaker 6: not looking for the fireworks. I've had the fireworks, you guys.
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  Speaker 6: I've had engaged, you know, two times, married for twenty
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  Speaker 6: something years, and I realized that slow burn is what
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  Speaker 6: makes a mature, sustainable relationship.
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  Speaker 5: And That's what I'm looking for.
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  Speaker 6: And that's the conversation that Melan I had together in
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  Speaker 6: the fantasy suite.
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  Speaker 4: How many women in your season do you think had
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  Speaker 4: similar mentalities or do you think that most of them
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  Speaker 4: were romanticizing the experience a lot a.
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  Speaker 5: Lot If you if they a lot of them, they
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  Speaker 5: shared that with me. They're like, I don't know. I
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  Speaker 5: don't know if I want to get get married. I
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  Speaker 5: don't know.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, because it's like we have our own lives. We've all,
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  Speaker 6: you know, we're single women. And there was a lot
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  Speaker 6: of professional women there as well, you know, and we're
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  Speaker 6: used to having our own space, our own life, we
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  Speaker 6: make our own money, we have our own gig.
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  Speaker 5: So there was several of them. Yes, definitely, and it
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  Speaker 5: would make sense.
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  Speaker 3: It does make sense to me that in the Golden
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  Speaker 3: franchise less would be ready or excited. Well, there's multiple factors. One, yes,
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  Speaker 3: you've been through it. I would also say that I
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  Speaker 3: think a factor of people being ready for marriage would
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  Speaker 3: be that they're in their sixties and they're like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: I want to try this again.
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  Speaker 2: I want to do this again.
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  Speaker 3: I want to jump into it again because I want
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  Speaker 3: somebody to be a partner with. As you know, this
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  Speaker 3: really fun new chapter opens up for me, and so
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  Speaker 3: I could see where people are like, no, I do
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  Speaker 3: want to get married. That is something important to me.
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  Speaker 3: But I do think the expedited timeline of the show.
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  Speaker 3: I do think the factor of most people coming into
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  Speaker 3: this with past relationship behind them lessons learns. I could
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  Speaker 3: see where Les would be excited about it. But and
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: maybe this is just because it's season two. I think
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: so many people are still watching The Golden because they
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: want to see these love stories play out. They want
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: to see it happen on their televisions. That's why, you know,
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: maybe a lead says yes to her, or why a
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: contestant comes on the show because they're ready. And so
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: I think the question out of that would be why
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: would Mel be the lead of this show? And why
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: would you go on to this show if that wasn't
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: your intention.
• 15:39
  Speaker 6: Here's the thing, you, guys, I have about ten girlfriends right,
• 15:43
  Speaker 6: being born and raised in Las Vegas, I have a
• 15:44
  Speaker 6: lot of girlfriends, a lot of girlfriend and groups. And
• 15:47
  Speaker 6: the truth about the matter is they've lost their husbands,
• 15:49
  Speaker 6: all ten of them, right, like to death and or
• 15:53
  Speaker 6: well some of them.
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: Have gotten a divorce.
• 15:55
  Speaker 6: But the majority of us were like, we really don't
• 15:57
  Speaker 6: know if we want to be married again.
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: We really don't know. There's no reason to be married again.
• 16:03
  Speaker 6: I don't need your money, I don't need your house,
• 16:05
  Speaker 6: I don't need your car, I don't need kids.
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: We're past all of that.
• 16:09
  Speaker 6: Why why do we have to succumb to the pressure
• 16:14
  Speaker 6: of society to be married, to have a love story.
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: To me, that's crazy.
• 16:20
  Speaker 6: Look what we've been doing, you guys, have you been
• 16:22
  Speaker 6: watching us. We've been to Toronto, We've been to Detroit,
• 16:25
  Speaker 6: we have been to Rio de Janeiro for three weeks.
• 16:28
  Speaker 6: We're going to the super Bowl. We've been here in Vegas.
• 16:31
  Speaker 6: We've been to the Sphere, we've been to concerts. That
• 16:34
  Speaker 6: why do you have to put it? Why do you
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: have to put it in a box to make it okay?
• 16:39
  Speaker 6: Why can't a love story be free? Why can't you
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: choose every single day to be with that person, Like
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: you know, Kurt Russell and Goldie Hawn they've been together
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: for how many forty.
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: Years and they're not married.
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: So you know this constraint of that you've got to
• 16:56
  Speaker 6: do it this way or it's not real, it's crazy.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm not saying it's not real. Goodness, that's not
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: at all what I'm saying. I'm not saying it's not real,
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: and I'm not saying you're succumbing to society. I'm saying
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: My point was the concept of the show is that
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: you are walking into the mansion to, you know, get
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: on one knee and to propose to somebody, so I
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: get out of that would be peg. Do you recommend
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: that the Golden franchise specifically has a different idea of
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: love or that the ending maybe is expected to be
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: differently than the other seasons where people are more intentional
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: and I want to find my forever person and I
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: think this is a great place to do it.
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: That's a good point. That's a really, really, really good point.
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: It really is, because I think when you're younger, you guys,
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: we all have that oh my god, I want the wedding.
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: Oh my god, I want the family, Oh my god,
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: I want to find you know, my guy, and you
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: live a little bit more into your romanticize it, you
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: know what I'm saying.
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: And that's just normal natural.
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: You know, when you're younger, we have all these you know,
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: these hopes and these dreams, and especially for women, I
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: think we have a more so than men. So I
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: think what happens with the Goldens, what you're finding you guys,
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: is we're a little bit We're much more realistic because
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: we've been through life.
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: Look what happened to Gary and Teresa. How well did
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: that work?
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: Out, they were engaged and got married and divorced three
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: months later. So we only have three, you know, we
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: only have what we're on our second seasons of the Goldens.
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: So and Joan and Chalk are not married yet, you know,
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: and I heard her talk about it, you know, and
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: at this moment in their relationship after one year, they're
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: not ready to be married either as well.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: So I think that's a really good point, you know.
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: And I think for the Goldens we have we get
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: to write our own story. We earned it, We earned it.
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: We have been through some shit in life, you know
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: what I'm saying. So why not be able to have
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: what we want to have and not? You know, you know,
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: Carol has been making fun of the promise ring, and
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: she's been doing all these little videos and mocking it
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: and everything. And that's fine, and that's wonderful, but you
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: know what, you guys, it's not about and as you
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: guys know, it's not about a piece of paper.
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: It's not even really about a wedding.
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: It's about you showing up every single day and being
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: the best person that you can be for your family,
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: for your mate, you know, and you know, take it,
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: look at it from that viewpoint, and you know, one day,
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: if you decide to get married, great, and if you don't,
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: that's okay too, you know. And I think the Goldens
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: have a right to do that. We get a right
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: how we want to have our love story.
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: I really do. And that's a really good point.
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: And that's something that I think going forward with the
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: next season, I think you're going to see a lot
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: of different things, a lot of creative things, you know,
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: that come up that people are going to do. Get engaged,
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: don't get engaged, get a promise ring, get a commitment ring.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: But our relationship is going strong and it's fun and
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: it's exactly what I wanted, and it is exactly what
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: he wanted at this point our life in our sixties.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: You guys make a lot of sense, especially as we
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: hear you talk today together. You make a lot of
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: sense together. You're very logical, you're very grounded. And I
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: was just thinking about how Cindy was just totally you guys.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: Couldn't have been more opposites except for your eye color,
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: because holy holy, like the two of you with the
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: eye color is absolutely unreal, sparkling diamonds in there.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so with.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: Cindy and the fact that I think that Mel very
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: much knew that he wanted to choose you in the end,
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: but he still he still got quite annoyed that Cindy quit,
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: as he likes to point out that she quit and
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: he did not like the fact that she stopped the process. Short,
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: why do you think that bollowed him so much? If
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: he even said to you, I want it to be
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: you in the end.
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: You have to know, you have to understand people.
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: The biggest thing in life that I can give people
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: is to understand people.
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: We all come from different walks of.
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: Life, and as you get older you realize this, It's
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: like nobody's the same. We all have our stuff, we
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: all have our skeletons, we all have our traumas, we
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: all have our love right and we're all doing the
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: best that we can on this planet for the very
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: short time that we're here. So the reason why is
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: because Mel is a professional athlete and what you guys
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: saw on TV, and if you've been watching us a
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: following us, he's totally two different people what you saw
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: on TV and who he really is in real life,
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: or they're totally two different.
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: People, you know, And he because he's a.
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: Professional athlete, and in his mindset, you got to finish
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: the game, he tells. I listened to him on the
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: phone talking to his boys all the time.
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: I don't care if you're winning or you're losing. You
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: got to finish the game. So that's his professional athlete mindset.
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: You know, he's been playing football professionally for you know
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: what a long time, through college, through the NFL, and
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: that's mindset.
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: You got to finish the game. So he did got
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: he did get.
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: Butt hurt about that because she didn't finish the game
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: and that was his own personal stuff, and you know,
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: and she had the right to leave.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: Carol left.
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: She had the right to leave. And I commend both
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: of those women, you know, if it's not what you want.
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: And I talked to Carol, I did I remember we
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: were in the kitchen that morning that she left, and
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: Cindy kept saying to Carol, will give him grace. And
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: I said to Carol, I said, no, Carol, if this
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: is not the guy for you, then you know, you know,
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: peace out, because here's one thing I've learned in life,
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: you guys, I don't want to waste my precious life anymore.
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: God has given me this life, one life, one breath,
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: and I really my time is my most important commodity.
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: It really is.
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: So who I spend that with is very important to me.
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: So if it's not right, cut it and run.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: You brought you bring up something here that I think
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: is interesting for viewers. You just said that mel was
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: different on TV than he is in real life. Right,
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: fell in love with mel On when he was still
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: on TV, and now you know him in real life.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Can you explain how that's evolved for you if it
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: is so different?
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: Well, here's the thing, you guys, because I and I
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: was very honest, you know, and you asked the girls
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: in the house, Terry and the ones that I'm very
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: close to. I was there, and if you guys watched it,
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: I was, you know, I was. I was like, look,
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: I just need to know if this guy is datable
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: forget about marriage, forget about being engaged.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: Is he datable? And is he datable for me? Right? So,
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: the times that we had.
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: On the show, I got the one on one date
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: and we spent like twelve hours together.
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: I mean as it was one of the longest one
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: on one dates.
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: That our season had, and there was a lot of
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: off camera time, a lot because I was there from
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: you know, one o'clock in the afternoon to about midnight.
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: So and it's very important to have that time of
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: your overnight time in the fantasy suite without anybody there
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: because now, guess what, Now you can be yourself one
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: hundred percent yourself. And now is that true authentic self
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: going to match up with his true authentic self. And
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: that's where that time is so important and that's why
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: they give it to you, you guys.
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: If that time wasn't important, the show would not have given, you.
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: Know, all these bachelor and bachelorettes for twenty years that
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: time in the fantasy suite. So there is something to it,
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: you know, there's something to it to finally to really get.
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: To know who that person is.
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: And I got to see him, he got to see me,
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: and know, we did not have sex, just to clarify,
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: and we talked. We talked all night long, and we
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: got to know each other, you know, and that's when.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: I knew for me.
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: I don't know, I can't speak for mel, but that's
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: when I knew for me, Okay, this is a go,
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: this is a green flag. I can do this, but
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: up to that point I wasn't sure. I was not sure,
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: and I told him at the fair and you guys
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: are probably going to bleep the side out.
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: But I looked at.
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: Him at the OC Fair and I said, look, if
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: you're that egotistical, whole kind of a guy, I go
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: I've dated that before.
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: I am not going to date that again.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: You know, remind us what happened at the fair.
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: I got your attention, and she's like, oh, what happened
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: alive in case you broke up for that one.
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: We were off camera because we're eating lunch, right, and
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: I said, Okay, come over here, because this is how
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: I talked to me.
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: I'm not afraid of the bell. I'm not. I'm not
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: intimidated or afraid or any of that stuff. With what
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: I've done in my life.
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: Hell, I've done dictitary protection with the President of the
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: United States.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: So I just said, look, I need to talk to you.
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: Come here.
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: And I said, look, you need to I said that
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: it's good that you made your apology. I you know,
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: that's great, but now I need to understand, help me
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: to understand.
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: Is this who you really are?
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: Is this you know, this person that you were talking,
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: you know, on that podcast, because I don't.
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: Want to date that.
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: If you're you know, arrogant, egotistical and narcissistic.
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: I don't want to date that. And I said that
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: right to him with a.
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: Lot of f bombs, you know, And when we address
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: when we address that issue, we really did, you know,
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: and he gave me an answer to clarify that that
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: I was okay with to move forward.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: In that journey.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: I do think that interview set everything back because I
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: think people are going into it wanting to be surprised,
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: wanting to be thrown off and say, yeah, that interview
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: doesn't make sense with how the story plays out right
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: in the end, where no, this guy does want to
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: find love, and he does want to find his partner,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: and he does want to find this forever person. And
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: I think the show in it and where he said, hey,
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: we got a promise ring and the two of you, yes,
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: as Ashley said, you make great sense together and it
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: seems like you're very happy together, and people are happy
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: about that. But I do think still it lacks the
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: story that was expected when you give up two hours
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: of your week every week to watch somebody possibly fall
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: in love.
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: But we we did fall in love just because we
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: didn't do it the traditional way. That's so sad that
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: you said that, because now it's like, the reality is
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: is we did fall in love, and you guys got
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: to see that story unfold. And if you're watching it,
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: you're even seeing more of a love story unfold. And
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: that's what's exciting. This is not something that's going to
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: die in a month or get divorced and get married
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: in three months. You know, this is a love story
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: that's real, that's honest, that's authentic, that's mature, right, and
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: that's going to grow, and it is growing, and we're
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: having so much fun, you know, and enjoying each other's life.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: It is and I think Mel explained it in an
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: interview recently, and I think it starts to make the
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: picture make more sense, where originally when we were watching
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: the season back, I think it was very clear that
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: you weren't wanting to get married, and I think it
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: was pretty clear that Mel was not looking for a
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: marriage at the end of this, and so that was
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: an alignment that we saw as the sea and continued.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: And I think when you watch it, it almost told
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: the story if it did not tell the story that, hey,
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: these two are just going to end up together DM
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: because they both want the same thing, not necessarily because
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: they're madly in love. And that's why I said what
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: I said. It's because they both want the same thing.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: They're willing to date at the end of this and
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: to figure out if love comes from it, right. But
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Mel comes on an interview and says, no, he knew
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: it was you very early on. He knew it was
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: you very early on in the process. And so when
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: for you personally did that love start to develop where
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: you started to say, hey, this is also a guy
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: for me. I mean you just said it was the
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: fantasy suitees Mel saying it's week one and it was
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: always you. That's a pretty big length of time that
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: the two of you weren't aligning on this intention.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: As Starry my best friend out of the house. I
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: went in there. I didn't like him.
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: I was like, I don't know, I don't know, I
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: don't know. I kept like, I don't know, I don't know.
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: If you know, I need to get to know who
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: he is. And I almost did not go on the
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: show because of that podcast because I didn't like it.
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: You guys, I was with America.
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: I'm like, that shitty man to say something like that
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: was pretty damn shitty.
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: I've taken my.
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: Time and my life and my energy to come meet you,
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: and this is what you say.
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: I'm like, no, no, no, no, that's not going to work,
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: So after I had talked to him at the OC Fair,
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: because we've got to spend a lot of time, I
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: had that conversation with him. You know, it lasted a
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: good you know, it was a long conversation, and by
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: the end of the night, I knew that I wanted
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: to continue with this journey.
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: There was that spark, there was that oh.
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: I started to let my guard down, started to open
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: my heart. And my daughter said to me, Mom, you
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: got to go I have an open heart and an
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: open mind. Don't judge somebody just because of what they said.
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: I mean, a lot of us we open mouth and
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: insert foot and if you tell me you've never done that,
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: then you're lying because we all have, you know, or
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: we've said things.
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: That we wish we hadn't said out of context.
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: But I wanted to get to know who he was
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: in soul, at a soul level, you guys, you know,
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: at a deep soul level, because that's what's going to
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: make the sustainable relationship work, you know, is you know
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: that sole level of a connection, that communication, the maturity
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: and the sustainability, and that's.
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: What you get when you get old. You know, you
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: get that stuff because you've learned it.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: Are you guys planning on moving to each other's cities?
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: I know that you guys are relatively close together your
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: for four hour drive. Right if this keeps progressing, do
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: you see yourself maybe ever living together?
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, we talk about that all the time.
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: But what's really cool, you guys, you get old, you
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: get right because you've worked your entire life right, so
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: you have right.
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: And what's exciting now is we have his house and
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: we have my houses. I love it. Who gets two houses? Man?
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: That's cool. It is nice.
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: We get to go to Orange County and hang out
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: of the beach, and we get to come to vag
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: and do Vegas things.
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: Do you know how exciting that is?
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: You know, it's exciting and it's fun, and that's the
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: way you should spend your sixties, doing it the way
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: that you want to do it.
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: I've raised my daughter. I was a single mom.
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: You guys, I raised that kid by myself after my divorce.
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: I was a bomb tech, I was a firefighter. I
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: was a police you know, a police academy, fire academy,
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: FBI bomb academy. And you're going to tell me I
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: have to do it your way. I don't think so.
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: It's my time.
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: It's my way, and that's what you need to do.
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: You know, as we get older, you realize that you
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: get to write your own story and your own life story,
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: your own love story. I paid my dues, I did
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: everything that I was supposed to do.
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: Now it's I get to do it my way.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: That reminded me of a podcast that we just listened
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: to and how he was talking about how he wanted
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: to get to know how you retired at fifty.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: How did you retire at fifty? Well, the fire.
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: Department, you guys, because when you're in, you know you
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: have you can look. There's so many of us that
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: die have either heart issues or cancer right because of
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: what we do.
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: That job. Let me tell you it's a ballbuster. It
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: is a freaking ballbuster.
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: I've had children die in my hands, in my hands,
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: gunshot wounds to the back of their head and a
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: little ten year old that takes his last breath in
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: my arms, right the three year old that I have
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: to go to their house on a Saturday morning calling
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: nine to one one because the baby girl is in
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: the pool, floating in her diapers and she's blue.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: So, you know what, I don't have tolerance for bullshit
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: in life. I just don't.
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: And when you get that baby girl out of the
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: pool and you've got to put that kid on the
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: table and you've got to do CPR and the mom
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: is screaming her eyes and her brain's out. Do you
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: think I give a shit about all this piddley.
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: Crap in life?
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: I don't because I know what's important, and what's important
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: is to be honest, have integrity, help another human being,
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: and have love, patience and tolerance. I know I'm kind
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: of on a soapbox, but man, when you see the
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: worst of worst, you guys for twenty something years, you
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: know what's important in life and you know what's not.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: So how did you retire at fifty part department?
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: So what happened? You have twenty years? You can do
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: twenty years and you have to be fifty.
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: So at twenty I did twenty two years and as
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: soon as I hit fifty years old, I was peace
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: out because I was having heart issues and that job
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: is beyond stressful. So the doctor told me, the fire doctor,
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: that my medical doctors, everybody's I was throwing PVCs.
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: That's a whole other thing, a heart issue, and so
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: it was time to go.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Do you think that background helped you navigate this process?
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, because a it's definitely different, but it is
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: a level of stress, it is a level of the unknown.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: There is obviously you come off of the show, and
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: there is the opinions that you take in the headlines
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: that you read, the people that you talk to confront
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: the truth like you are today. Do you think that
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: background doing what you did help do you prepare for
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: this chapter?
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: That background helped me prepare for life. It helped me
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: prepare for life. You know, there's a lot of different chapters,
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: you guys, as you get older in life. Here's this chapter,
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: that chapter, this chapter. But to answer your question, yeah,
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: one hundred percent. And there's a lot of things that
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: was there were going on behind the scenes that the
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: girls don't even know. You know, we came back from
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: shooting one time and this is just who I am
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: because I was trained this way. And there was a
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: screen off the window, and I'm like, Holy Holy, what's
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: going on?
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: Why is there a screen?
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: And then Robin or someone somebody else said there's another
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: screen off.
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: So I went into protection mode.
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: I'm like, oh no, no, no, no, get me security, get
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: me the who's.
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: Ever in charge?
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: Why are these screens off the You know, we were
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: here in a house that's not secure, so we need
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: to find out what's going on. I asked for more security.
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: I asked for security with the weapon because I had
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: everybody's best interests. Just who I am, I'm a protector
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: and I'm you know, so I might Yeah, so yes,
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: it did. It helped me a lot with this whole situation,
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: and it sure did.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: Did you and Mel watch the series back together?
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: We did not all of it, but a lot of it.
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: We did not all of it. Yeah we did, We
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: sure did. We watched it all back.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: What did you think that was great?
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: I loved it. It was fun.
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: It was a lot of fun. I think it was good.
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: I have no ill feelings about anything. I know what
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: I signed up for. You guys, I knew there was
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: going to be one woman I knew that if we
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: had a connection, I wanted to see if.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: He was datable for me.
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: I don't live in fantasy, I live in reality. And yeah,
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: it was fun.
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: It was a lot of fun. You know. It was
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: interesting and fun.
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: And I knew he was going to be making out
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: with all these women and maybe he'll have a connection
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: with me and somebody else, or not me and other women.
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: I knew what I was signing up for.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're now, I mean goodness, pretty far removed from
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: the filming of the show. You've gotten to watch the
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: show back. You answered the question on the season that
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: Mel was at least datable enough to say yes to
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: a promise. Ring months into this now together, do you
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: still think Mel is datable?
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: One hundred percent.
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: He's more datable now than he was on the show.
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: And here's the thing in two you that you know,
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: I just want to.
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: Kind of like throw out there.
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: Being a professional firefighter and arson detective and then arson
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: bomb squad, I did a lot of court trials, right
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: They would bring us in to testify a lot of depositions,
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: and one thing I've learned about Mel is that he has.
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: A very, very very analytical brain.
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: You have to have that type of brain to be
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: a professional athlete, and you have to have that type.
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: Of brain to be an attorney.
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: So when you're deposed, they ask you questions and you answer,
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: You give them one word answers. And it finally dawned
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: on me when we were at the cheerleading competition with
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: Paula Abdul, because he.
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: Got me aside and he was.
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: Drilling me, and I'm like, wait a minute, what is
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: this about? And I went home and I assessed it
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: and I go, oh, that's what that's about. That's his
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: attorney for twenty five years, you know, doing a deposition
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: and trying to find out information.
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: Because I've been in several depositions.
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: I've had to testify as an expert witness in federal court.
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: So I understand that whole process. And you do you.
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: Answer questions, you guys, with one word, because when you're
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: in court, you don't want to give the court to
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: any more information. You want to answer the question, but
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: you want to answer it with the least amount of
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: words because you don't want to give them that material, right,
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: So that's where he comes off with those one word answers.
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: And I understand that.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Now I get that.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: I also know a lot of attorneys who are very
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: long winded and cannot shut up and talk. So there's
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: that side too.
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: He has that he has that, but nobody has seen
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: that side he has.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: Oh my god, you'd ask them what time it is.
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: He'll tell you how to make a watch for like
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: two weeks.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: If you listen to the breakdown of our season. I
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: kept saying, there's going to be a moment like, the
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: show doesn't not pick a lead that answers questions in
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: this way. The show does not pick a lead that
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: asks questions in this way. Never, that's not a thing,
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: like they know too much after so many years of
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: doing this to pick a lead, Like there's gonna be
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: a moment where like that's the male, Like right there,
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: that's him, that's him. And I'll say this and again,
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: you started this whole thing out, and I respect that
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: you said I'm not going to be here to speak
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: on Mel's behalf, And that's great. We'll talk to Mel
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: about so much of this. But there's one moment that
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: really frustrated me this season because as frustrated as I
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: was watching this and being like I'm getting nothing out
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: of this, guy like, I see nothing. I thought it
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: was going to happen at hometowns, and I thought it
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: was going to happen with your daughter. I really did.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: I thought this would be the moment, out of any
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: moment all season, where this guy is going to be
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: a human again and actually speak to her and answer
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: the questions that she's desiring to know about how he
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: feels about his mom. And goodness, gracious, he didn't do it.
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: He did do it. He did do it. No, no, no,
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: you guys know, come on now, stop it.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: No, but if he did it, the show would have
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: shown it.
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: No, we would know. They didn't. You asked Cindy.
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: They had a whole day making hats in Austin, and
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: he was so upset that they did not show that
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: side of him, that side of him the entire day.
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: And Cindy has talked about that as well on all
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: these podcasts that she's done. There is so much left
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: on the editing floor that it's just and that's the
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: nature of the beast. You guys, My daughter and him
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: were laughing. You guys, wait, there's this whole scene.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: It is so sad.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: They'll just tell us how they interacted because we didn't
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: see it, you said, they did, I know.
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: And here's the thing. So way walk in.
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: My daughter has a present for mel and this and
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: it is so sad this stuff didn't make it on
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: the show. She walked in with an actual hip replacement
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: because her boyfriend works.
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: In the medical field.
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: We died laughing for at least twenty minutes. It was hilarious.
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: She literally had.
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: A hip replacement, then gave it to mel well right
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: and said, here, mel when you're ready for your hipro replacement,
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: and it's a real hip replacement, you guys, And we
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: had it and it was hilarious. And then those two
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: were bantering back and forth. They were drinking a beer,
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: you know, yes, bantering, laughing their asses off.
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: Didn't see that on television.
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: Didn't see anything of him and Cindy because he really
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: enjoyed that day of her taking him to that place
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: to make to pick out a hat and do all
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: this stuff, and they were laughing and they were joking.
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: It was a couple of hours, he said, in the store.
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: And they didn't show any of that. So his real
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: human side didn't make TV.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: What's her theory on that? Why would they want to
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: make their lead cold, seeming.
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: To ask those showrunners, I don't know you guys, so
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: that's above my pay grade.
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: I have no idea.
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: But my family, oh my god, they fell in love
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: with him. We're laughing, we're joking, my daughter, my mother,
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: he had some funny funny My mimd eighty two years
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: old with little dementia but never has missed a season
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: of The Bachelor or Bachelorette. And those two, those two
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: were bantering. That was hilarious. It was so fun. But
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: they didn't see that on TV.
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: And it's sad.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: It's sad, but it's also reassuring to know that that
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: existed because I think, out of anything, and I'm glad
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: we spoke to you before we spoke to Mel, because
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: I think if we would have spoke to Mel, I
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: still have that time in my head where I'm like,
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: this is the moment, dude, step up, want to step up?
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: And so to hear that he did is something reassuring
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: to me as a viewer and a fan of the show.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: Now to say, Okay, this guy wasn't just cold, even
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: to the people that weren't really participating but had gotten
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: dragged into it, that would have been really frustrating. The
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: final question we have for you or that I have
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: for you, I guess I don't know if Ashley has
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: anything else. Have you taught Mel how to ride a unicycond?
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: That was my.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: Question and guys' freaking hilarious.
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah I know he doesn't. Yeah, no, no.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: Is it ever gonna happen.
• 42:09
  Speaker 6: I don't want to be breaking hit because I have
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: to cut his ass.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good to hip ther place him out there.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: We need to. We need to follow up where you
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: guys just hang out. I want to see, like the
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: way that I want to see your interaction with outside
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: of the Bachelor process. Watch our videos, your natural environment
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: for either of you.
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: It's hilarious. We did this.
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: We did this fitness blast in in Rio de Janio.
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: We taped a lot of it. It's hilarious, you guys,
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: it's you got to watch it. It's hilarious, funny. He's
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: from the Funny Guy. Really believe it or not.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: So for listeners that are listening to this and walking
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: through it, if you could explain your relationship today in
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: closing so they can kind of get a bow on
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: this whole experience. Can you explain how Peg and I'll
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: operate in the world together.
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: We are two human beings walking on this planet that
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: have had you know, love, We've had loss, we've had children,
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: we've had careers, and now we're at this chapter of
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: our lives that we have found each other just to
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: enjoy each other one day at a time. You guys,
• 43:20
  Speaker 6: I might not wake up in the morning, I might
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: have a cardiac or rest during the night.
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: And this is the sh that you know.
• 43:25
  Speaker 6: When as you get older, this stuff you start to
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: think about. So our relationship is out of mutual respect,
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: out of love, out of joy and having fun. And
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: we appreciate each other one day at a time, because
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: that's all any of us have, you guys, that's it.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: Very nice. So I'm glad that you guys are so happy.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: It's really awesome. You beat Gary and Theurisa as far
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: as your longevity goes.
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: Already, Oh there you go.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Woo, Thank you beg for being here.
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: You're welcome, guys, Thank you much. You guys will have
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: a fun time with him. He's a good guy, he
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: really is. And he talks a lot. Oh my god,
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: does he talk a lot. Be Ready.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: That's good to know.
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: All right, guys, Thanks I really appreciate it.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: Thank you, We really appreciate you coming on.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: All right, until next time, I've been Ben, I've been Ashley.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: See you guys.
• 44:22
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• 44:25
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