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Old School Hip Hop Is Delicious w/ Dr. Robb Kelly · The Delicious Culture with Jon Francois

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Hey delishies, grab a plate and taste the delicious
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culture. I'm your host John Francois. We're feasting
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on food, pop culture and lifestyle with Dr. Rob
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Kelly, a PhD Neuroscience coach and tea shop
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foodie. A couple of questions about that. First,
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how does a neuroscience coach work? What do you
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do there? So we work with addiction, alcoholism,
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food, sex, porn, and we rearrange and re -circuit
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brains away from self -sabotage. Been in the
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industry about 30 years. I work with high profile
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people, the movie stars and all that stuff. We
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have five offices around the world. And we have
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lots and lots of patients that come and see us.
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Is there some, like, confidentiality agreement
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that would be broken if you mentioned some of
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the names that you've worked with? I can mention
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one, Eddie Van Halen, just one of those years
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ago. But yeah, if there's a movie star that's
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been in trouble with depression, alcohol, drugs,
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or whatever, they've probably come through this
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company. Is it too personal to ask what Eddie
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Van Halen used your services for? He was to get
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sober. Oh, to get like, just like drugs and alcohol,
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that kind of thing? Yeah, drugs and alcohol and
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get his life back on track. And yeah, we change
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everything about the patient. It's not just stopping
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the alcohol, drugs, we reformat behaviors, we
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reformat brain patterns, childhood trauma, all
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that great stuff to get out of us so we can live
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a positive, successful life. I love that. So
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is it, forgive me, is it similar to kind of like
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a 12 -step program? Like you, you know, step
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one is this, step two is that and... No, I'm
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a technical psychologist, so it's based on medical
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more than anything else. Okay. All right. Wonderful.
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I love that. And the tea shop foodie thing, that's
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a good fact that I would like to know more about.
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How did that all begin for you being well -versed
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in the tea shop foodie area? Well, I came over
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to America 20 years ago and I was so excited
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to go to these British pubs and... Irish bars.
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And when I got there, I was disappointed. There
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was no Irish or English people in there and we're
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definitely not serving English food or Irish
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food. So about four years ago, we came from Dallas.
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I've been in Dallas 14 and then six in San Antonio.
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And it was about four years ago, I thought to
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myself, you know something, I'm going to open
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a British food restaurant in San Antonio. And
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people thought I was crazy. So next door to my
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office, we built and opened the only authentic
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British tea shop. We do afternoon teas, fish
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and chips, pies, all that great stuff, all handmade
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and stuff like that. And yeah, it's taken off
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like crazy. So I brought my sister over from
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the UK and she runs it and there's like... 20
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English staff that just happened to apply for
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the jobs. And yeah, that's what we do over there.
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It's brilliant. Yeah. And my recent guest, funny
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enough, Zach Campbell, who is a Disney podcaster
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from the UK. He was, you know, we were talking
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about English cuisine as a matter of fact, last
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week. So yeah, I'm so glad for your success in
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that area. That's really great. And it's like
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the shop that you run with your sister. I mean,
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it's like what, just around the corner from where
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you live in San Antonio, Texas? It's next door.
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I can pop in between the side door here. I can
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pop in and out. It takes a second to go to the
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restaurant from here. I love it. So I go in and
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speak to people and say hi to the customers and
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they love it, take some photographs. So yeah,
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it's pretty cool. I love that. So what makes
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you choose heading to San Antonio, Texas, coming
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from the UK? What about that place makes you
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decide to go into the next chapter of your life?
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Well, I came over to Dallas for a medical conference.
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I was speaking there. And I came for three weeks
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and I never went back home. That's basically
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what it is. And I was, I was in Dallas for about
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three or four months and I got like a movie deal.
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So that paid high six figures. And with that
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money, I opened up my first practice in Dallas.
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And then 10 years ago, I met my current wife
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and her family come from San Antonio. So I said,
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one day when we become wealthy, I'll take you
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to San Antonio and we'll buy a house of our dreams
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and all that stuff. And four years ago, we did
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just that. Wow. All right. Wonderful. So the
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culture, the weather, just everything just appeals
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to you and like your wife being there. Oh my
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goodness. Yeah. I mean, the weather's amazing.
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So it's raining in England and cloudy and miserable
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and I suffer from like deprivation, which doesn't
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help over there. So when I came here, Texas has
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been, so I have four businesses. Texas has been
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very good to me. Absolutely very good. I love
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that. I'm sorry. Did you had mentioned that you
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worked on a movie or did I mishear that? No,
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I've worked on a couple. Uh, it was a video first,
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uh, explaining about addiction, alcoholism and
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stuff like that. So that came first. And then,
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uh, I mix with all the movie stars now. So you
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might see me pop up on different movies, but
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yeah, it's just, uh, he's fun. Everything's gotta
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be fun, John. Everything that you do in life
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has got to be fun. Otherwise, what's the point?
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I was, I was homeless with alcoholism. I died
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twice on the streets of Manchester. I lost my
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children. I, you know, I lost all this stuff.
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So. When I got off the streets, it's kind of,
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I'm going to help people with all kinds of addictions
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and I'm going to help the families and I'm going
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to have a fun time doing it. And that's what
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we've been doing for about 20 years is having
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fun, being serious when it comes to work, but
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just living life as if this is my last day. So
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I'm a 10 out of 10 every single day. I don't
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have bad days, but I do have better days than
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others because I'm human, but I'm always uplifted.
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I'm always, you know, out there helping people.
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I'm lucky enough these days or blessed enough
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to monetary bless somebody every time I leave
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the house. It's what we do every single day on
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the way here. And yeah, it's just giving my time
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back doing podcasts like this, which is fricking
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awesome. I get excited about a podcast, especially
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when she explained who you were and what you
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did. Courtney goes around and she finds podcasts
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that are changing the world. We approach you
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and ask, can we come on? That's how we do. We
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don't, I think I'm in Rogan and Augusta thing.
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We do all the big ones just because sometimes
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we have to, but then we want to work with people
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that are changing the world. So A, thank you
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for changing the world, John. And secondly, it's
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awesome to be here. Oh, wow. Well, thank you.
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I mean, that means a lot coming from you. Uh,
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and I guess I'm, uh, curious because, you know,
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I'm in the process of getting to know you as
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we're talking right now. What was that trajectory?
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I mean, going from struggling with alcoholism,
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like as you said, yourself. And then, you know,
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you're in a position where you're able to offer
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that counsel, offer that advice to others to
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get from that disease. And now you're connected
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with these celebrities as you speak. I mean,
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how did that trajectory happen for you? It was
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wild. Like if you just said, in all your wildest
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dreams, give me a future that you would, all
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your wildest dreams, I'd have sold myself short.
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It just happened in attitude. experience, spiritual
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experience on the streets. But yeah, I mean,
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I grew up on the projects in the council estates.
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We never had no money and we can never go on
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any trips and stuff like that. Now I run four
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multimillion dollar companies. It's crazy. My
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life is crazy. But the thing is, is that I keep
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my feet on the ground by giving back. But not
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in my wildest dreams that I ever think I'd be
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here. I mean, just the toys around me are crazy,
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which... When you first get wealthy, it's like,
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oh, I want this, I want that, I want to roll
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droids, I want to... And then you go through
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that phase and then it becomes, what's the point?
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What's the point? So I did that for a couple
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of years and then got back to reality and helping
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people like me and saying, look, if I can do
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it, of course you can do it. And everything you're
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going through, I've been through. Because I look
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at my streets and my loss of my children, the
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authorities took my children off me at ages one
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and three. And I, 30 years, never seen them.
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Going from that... The explanation when you sat
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in front of somebody going through that is, yeah,
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I've been through that. They go, what? Yeah,
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I lost my kids. I died on the streets. I stabbed
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somebody. All these horrible stuff that we do
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as blind alcoholics and addicts and even depressive
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people, I can relate to because I've been there.
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And that's one of my biggest draws. And I'm educated
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about psychology and behavioral science. I have
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a second PhD in behavioral science. So yeah,
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it's been a ride. That's for sure. That's another
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statement. Yeah. Oh my God. It's been quite a
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journey, quite a journey. And I feel silly, like
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now transitioning into all these silly questions
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I'm going to ask you, but no, no, no, no. I think
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it's, um, it, it gives me a window, so to speak,
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into getting to know you more. But, uh, uh, first
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off, what's a delicious meal that you've had
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lately? Fish and chips next door at an amazing
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restaurant called the old English cheese shop.
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Yeah. But yeah. And our big fish and chip guy.
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And then we found a burger place on Saturday,
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which we'd never been before. Uh, which I, which
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I absolutely am in love with right now. So fishing
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ships, um, I was, again, discussing this with
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Zach. Um, I want to make sure I have this right.
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Uh, it is a, like, how do you guys serve it?
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Cause maybe every place is different. It's a
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fried fish and the chips part of it is essentially
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like. fries, like steak fries. Yeah. So it's
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fresh cod we have, and then the beer batter.
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So it's a batter mixed with beer, is how we do
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it in England. So we dip it in the batter and
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we throw it in and that's cooking. And while
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we do that, hand cut fries, you call them chips,
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but hand cut fries are made, especially when
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we have mushy peas, which is kind of a normal
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peas into like a mushy, almost. a paste, but
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not quite, and then tartar sauce on the end.
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And, uh, and, and it's our biggest seller really
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is. Why, and forgive me, this sounds dumb. Why
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do you guys call fries, chips, but chips to us
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in America means something different? Well, crisps,
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crisps is chips. I know. Yeah. Chips and crisps
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get mixed up and then fries and chips get mixed
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up. So it's crazy. I mean, fries, French fries
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comes from Germany. So everyone thinks it's France.
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It came from Germany. So I'm not too sure whether
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French fries, but we still have to convert when
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somebody calls or comes in. Not fishing chips.
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Yeah, that's good. But you want pie and chips.
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No, I don't want a packet of chips. No, no, chips
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are fries. Fries are, yeah, it's a whole thing.
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It is a whole thing. And again, you know, discussing
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with Zach Campbell, my recent guest also from
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the UK, we call it take out here in America,
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you guys call it take away? Yes, take away. Yeah.
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Why? Like, I'm curious because like, why that
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difference? I mean, I don't know because like
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to take out like, okay You're you're going out
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and you're taking your food and you're bringing
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it back home and then to take away It's like
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okay, you're taking the food away from the restaurant
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and you're bringing it home. Maybe that's yeah
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It kind of makes sense, but you know not the
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same time, right, right Why is fishing chips
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a signature dish in the UK? What's, I'm curious
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if you know any background by like how that has
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become so iconic to the cuisine there, just as
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much as like tea. Well, it goes back to the sailors
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and stuff like that is where it was created.
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And probably even before that, when afternoon
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tea was created. But it was just, it was always
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a working class meal because we have places called
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chip shops. which served fish and chips and stuff
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like that. And it was a quick meal on the way
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home from work. On a Friday night, it was a family
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meal. Fish and chips was a family meal. And it
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kind of come from there, but obviously throughout
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the years it's become expensive. I think that's
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the culture back in the day. Interesting. And
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the meaning of tea, maybe going to your tea shop
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there, the meaning of tea in the UK compared
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to... America. Tell me if I'm wrong. I feel like
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it's kind of different because like, like I'm
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drinking tea here now because I'm trying to get
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over cold. or if I, you know, had like a hard
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day and I just want something relaxing to drink
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before I go to bed. So tea is like this like
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nightcap sort of sickness cure association. But
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from me observing what tea means in the UK, it
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seems like it's more of a like daytime social
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occasion party thing. Like, what does tea mean
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for you guys and why does it mean it for you?
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So it's like coffee over here. So we use tea.
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Not too sure why, but yeah, the tea shop, we
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have tea every day. I start in the morning with
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a cup of tea and then throughout the day I might
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have some more, but it's just a staple of the
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UK. It's like, if you ever watch like some programs,
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not all programs, especially murder programs
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on the ID channel, if they're in England, if
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something bad happens, someone will always say,
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I'll put the kettle on, which basically means
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I'll make you a cup of tea. It was like, tea
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should solve everything back in the UK. So this
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whole thing of a tea kettle, and I've used a
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tea kettle maybe a handful of times in my life.
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Did that start with you guys or? Yes. Oh, it
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did. Okay. Okay. It does. Yeah. It just took
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off. Is your tea caffeinated? We have 93 types
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of tea in the shop. We do back home when I was
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drinking tea. No, not at all. But we do have
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that decaffeinated now, of course, like in England.
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It's mostly, so I drink tea in the morning and
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coffee in the afternoon, which is contrary to
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the English because it's morning coffee and afternoon
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tea. I do it the other way around. And then the
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word afternoon tea is a meal, a very posh meal
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served on three layer plates with the sandwiches,
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finger sandwich scones and all that stuff. That
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came, so Americans call it high tea and British
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call it afternoon tea. And the difference there
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is afternoon tea was for the elite and high teas
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were for the working class people. who kind of
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tried to replicate something. Afternoon tea,
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the meal, came from the Duchess of Bedford. When
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she sent her guys out, when she was busy, she
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couldn't make it to the restaurant. So she sent
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her guys out to get something to eat, not for
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dinner, or not for lunch, but something in between.
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And she came back with an assortment of food
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and pastries, and that became afternoon tea.
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Really? Wow. Yeah. And it's our second British
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salad. And I wonder if there's like a distinct
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difference in taste between the working class
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tea and the elite tea. Like, I don't know. Yeah,
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definitely. Definitely. So working class in today's
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lane in terms of PG Tips and Techly are huge
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companies that make all of the tea. And then
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the elite drink things like Earl Grey. So it's
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a slightly classier tea and more expensive to
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make. you know, the kind of tea that you can
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drink just during the day, like at a lunch or
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whatever, like that can be uncaffeinated tea
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and you'll still be good and ready to go for
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the entire day. Like it's not going to drowse
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you out because I think of drinking uncaffeinated
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tea during the day if I have stuff to do and
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I'm just like... Oh no, I'm going to want to
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take a nap in like two seconds. This is going
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to ruin my day. No, no, no. It's just the caffeine
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taken out. So everyone is under the myth. Let's
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go back to the medical psychological thing. Everyone's
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under the myth that caffeine gives you energy
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and it doesn't. Caffeine slows down the tired
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cells in the body. So it doesn't make you up
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and ready. It just slows down any tiredness you
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still had from last night. It's basically what
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it is, so it's not a caffeine energy boost. It's
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a lack of, it's a cut down on the tired cells
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in the body. It blocks it out completely. So
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by the time the head receives it, we're not tired
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anymore. We're normal. But then we think, drink
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coffee, it gives you, it doesn't really. It's
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a myth. Interesting. We'll wait for the phone
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calls on that. No, no, I'm sure I'm sure that
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you know, if we had a phone on standby, I'm sure
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there are a lot of folks coming in It slows down
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to tires. I'm sorry. It slows down the tired
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cells I mean very temporarily because we all
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know about that caffeine crash that happens and
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Why does that happen? Do you have any science
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for for that the crush? Yeah. Well, you can take
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stimulant tea as well. So stimulants are on another
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level. The idea of the stimulant tea or stimulants
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in general is all neural pathways and dopamine
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and everything flashing and banging in the head.
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And obviously when you come off that stuff, everything
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is hit all at once and the brain is exhausted.
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So you go into this huge slump. Every nerve in
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the body is usually ready to go. And when that's
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missing, it goes down. Tea is kind of the same.
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Caffeine is, like I say, if you come off caffeine
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or coffee, it doesn't mean you'll get more tired.
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But what it does mean is because the body is
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used to it. When you come off it completely,
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there is withdrawal. Like anything we come off,
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if we're eating cake every day, I'm a big foodie.
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If I'm eating cake seven days a week and after
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three months I come off the cake completely,
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there will be a deficiency and the deficiency
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will cause all that stuff. The two body runs
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on two things, toxicity and deficiency. What
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am I being poisoned by and what am I not getting
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inside my body? So when we get a certain staple
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for a period of time, we come off it, the body's
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used to that sugar, that vitamin, that protein
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that we're eating on a regular basis that the
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body and the cell will change around that. And
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along with tea being a regular staple of like
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English social culture, I mean, cake too, right?
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Oh, yes. Like, and I have to believe that it's
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not your typical American sort of frosty kind
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of birthday cake. It has to be like more, like
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what kind of cake is common amongst, like say
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if I was to go to your tea shop and I want a
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slice of cake and some tea, like what am I getting?
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But there's an arrangement again, a sponge cake
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and there's marzipan cake. Marzipan. I don't
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know what it's called here. I've never known
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that. Marzipan is a cake coating. They call it
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something else in America and I cannot remember
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the life of me. So it's a cake coating. Is that
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the best way to describe it? Yes. Yes. Okay.
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Okay. And, and sponge cake, I mean, sponge cake
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doesn't have any frosting or icing on it. It's
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just kind of like the bread itself. And it's
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sort of - As a top layer on it, not a side layer,
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but as a topping off, uh, with, with like a glazier
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on top of it. And then you've got your fruit
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cake, which is like normal cake with raisins
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and blueberries and stuff like that. Then we
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get onto the scones, which are the same. Uh,
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scones over in England are totally different
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to - what look like biscuits here. Totally different.
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They use as a dessert. They're not used as part
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of a meal. And that's one of the things that
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we educate people on when they come, make it
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fun as well. Scones are had with afternoon tea
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and cream. It was called plotted cream. We actually
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make our own, but yeah. People love it because
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they get a kind of an experience and they get
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educated at the same time. It's like we do when,
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you know, there are bunches of Americans that
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come in and they tell us, I know most of it,
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but they'll tell us how they eat and stuff, but
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it's really nice. Especially the scones when
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you, you know, you show them, they want to cut
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them in half from the top. And that's not how
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it's served. You slice them across in the middle.
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So, so you can put cream on one of them and jam
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on the other. And cream, that's, is that sort
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of like butter or is that? Yeah, kind of. Yeah.
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And it's got certain textures and taste. So it's
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kind of mixing between a clock cream and a butter.
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That's a great way to put it. Got it, got it.
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And in terms of jams, it's kind of like the same
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flavor as you guys that we have, like strawberry
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and grape. Yeah, ours is from England like everything
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else, so it's slightly tastier and it's slightly
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different. I say tasty because we're British
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and we used to have that and he tasted it in
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America. So yeah, we serve it in little pots
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and people just love it. But there's just a slight
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difference between the cream, the jams, the preservatives,
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the pastries. Everything's different because
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it's recipes from back home using ingredients,
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British ingredients that we buy. Going back to
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the fruitcake, it sounds like you guys view fruitcake
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more positively than Americans do, because the
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American stereotype about fruitcake is like,
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oh my God, grandma's bringing her a fruitcake
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for Christmas. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's vomit.
20:52
Yeah, slightly different, yeah. So why for you,
20:57
in the English culture, is fruitcake viewed as
21:00
an actual delicious thing? You know, I don't...
21:03
I don't really know. It was something that mom
21:06
always served and grandma always served. It was
21:08
kind of, because we grew up poor, it was kind
21:10
of a special occasion for us. You know, sponge
21:12
cake was the cheapest cake, but they've got these,
21:15
and then they would bathe them in wine or rum
21:19
or brandy, the cake, our Christmas cake. is based
21:23
it in brandy for three months before we serve
21:26
it at Christmas. So it has that completely. Now
21:29
the alcohol is burned up. It has that really
21:32
distinctive taste. It's amazing. It takes three
21:35
months to make a Christmas cake. Did I hear that
21:37
correctly? Yeah, three months. Yeah, three months
21:39
to make our Christmas cake and any Christmas
21:41
cake back home. It has to based in a brandy and
21:45
another sauce for three months. It gets all wrapped
21:48
up and yeah, three months in the making. So it's
21:52
a special thing. If you have that, it's like
21:54
a special occasion. Well, we have it every day
21:56
in the shop and people are just like, oh my God,
21:59
what's the recipe? We go, we're never going to
22:01
tell you. I've never heard of any cake taking
22:04
three months to make. Like what is it? Is it
22:06
like the size of the cake? Like what makes it
22:08
a three month process? No, it's just the pure
22:10
to make sure that the moist and everything is
22:12
taken in becomes part of the cake rather than
22:14
brandy being poured over last minute. It does
22:17
something to the texture and definitely the taste.
22:19
But if you Google it guys. traditional Christmas
22:21
cake, you'll see that it's bathed in usually
22:26
brandy. I mean, it could be whiskey. Whiskey's
22:28
a bit harsh to taste. The brandy's nicer once
22:30
the alcohol burned off. So yeah, it's just a
22:32
tradition that goes back centuries and centuries.
22:35
Yeah. Well, count me as one of those people that
22:37
needs to Google the traditional Christmas cake,
22:39
because this is news to me. I love this so much.
22:45
Let's find out what delicious piece of pop culture
22:48
you've been consuming lately. This could be a
22:50
TV show, a movie, podcast book, play, music,
22:53
just anything pop culture related that you're
22:56
loving. So there's a couple of things. I mean,
22:58
we're big TV guys because the four businesses
23:01
and the high pressure of my job, there's rules
23:03
in my house, me and my wife. We get on for four
23:06
o 'clock no later, usually earlier. By five o
23:09
'clock pajamas are on. And by six o 'clock, we
23:12
watch six till nine of what we call Minders TV.
23:15
So anything on the ID channel, because it's all
23:17
about psychology killings and how you prep and
23:20
stuff like that, which is awesome. I'm a musician.
23:23
I was a pro musician from the age of about 14
23:26
onwards. I played in Abbey Road Studio with John
23:30
Queen, David Bowie, all them great guys. So my
23:33
musical influence is different right now, but
23:36
I've just got into the Nutcracker album soundtrack.
23:40
of the ballet music. Fantastic. And Swan Lake.
23:44
I love Swan Lake right now. So usually my normal
23:46
music, because I work with lots of rap stars,
23:49
is rap music. I love it, especially the 80s and
23:52
90s with Jay -Z and all them guys. But yeah,
23:55
Swan Lake is the one right now being played over
23:57
and over in my car. So the Nutcracker, I remember
24:03
seeing a production of that here in Vermont a
24:05
few years ago during Christmas time, this venue
24:08
called the Flynn in Burlington, Vermont, which
24:10
is like the probably the most tourist city in
24:12
the state. They usually hold a production of
24:15
the Nutcracker and it was very beautiful to see.
24:19
I knew about like, you know, the music going
24:22
into it. I didn't know that it was totally like
24:25
dialogue less experience. It was basically just
24:28
music and dancing. So it was very beautiful to
24:30
see it from that perspective. Have you ever seen
24:33
a production of the Nutcracker live? Oh, yes.
24:35
Yeah. My serious girlfriend, my first one was
24:38
a ballet dancer. And my best friend from school
24:42
when I was nine, we still talk every Tuesday
24:45
now, when I was 65, both 65 now, but he joined
24:49
the Royal Ballet Company in Manchester, England,
24:52
which was prestige. And he actually went on to
24:56
Russia to be a big ballet star there. So every
24:59
time he'd come home, he'd take me to the ballet
25:02
that was performing in Manchester or London.
25:06
So yeah, I've seen quite a few. I think years
25:10
ago, when I used to sell resale tickets, there
25:16
was like sort of a hipper, younger, modern alternative
25:20
version of The Nutcracker that was in production,
25:21
probably in like New York City. And there was
25:25
some pushback about that from traditionalist
25:28
people that, you know, like the classic version
25:30
of The Nutcracker. Where do you stand on that?
25:32
Do you like the idea of this sort of iconic,
25:36
long running ballet piece? being this same thing
25:42
that it's has been or do you become or are you
25:45
open minded to, you know, it being changed and
25:48
sort of tinkered with and adjusted? Like, what's
25:51
your take on that? I'm all for the original stuff,
25:53
almost unmet because it's drenched in years and
25:57
years of routine, custom, the original. not only
26:03
method based, but you know, it comes from, most
26:05
come from Russia, obviously. So don't talk tradition
26:07
in the background and the way it was truly performed.
26:10
In music though, I like the new ones. I like
26:12
anything that's a replica or overdue from another
26:15
band though. I definitely like the new ones.
26:17
But the ballet, I think, it's a bit like opera.
26:19
I think it should stay where it is. I'm not a
26:21
huge fan. I've got like 10 % of my music is that.
26:24
But yeah, I love the old traditions though, because
26:26
hey, I come from England. We have buildings there
26:29
about, I don't know, zero, one. I remember coming
26:33
to America and my guy showed me around Dallas
26:36
and he's like, look up there. You see that building
26:38
there? That's from 1407 and one of the oldest
26:40
buildings. And I'm like, dude, we have buildings
26:43
for like 306. You know, the 306, you've got buildings,
26:46
1 ,400. It's crazy. So we like traditions and
26:49
we like old stuff back home. Yeah. Uh, you know,
26:54
anytime that, you know, people visit Vermont
26:56
and they see houses that are still standing from
26:59
like the 1800s that are still lived in and they
27:02
think, oh my God, that's like the oldest structure
27:03
known to mankind. I always refer them to, to
27:06
England. The fact that you guys have buildings
27:08
from like year two that are still up. So, uh,
27:11
yeah, that's, that's quite something. Um, you
27:14
mentioned Swan Lake along with the Nutcracker
27:15
Avenue. I think I've heard of it. Like what's
27:17
Swan Lake? Is that, is that similar to the Nutcracker
27:20
in terms of how? Yeah, it's a different ballet,
27:22
different performance. But the tracks, the tracks
27:25
on it, you will have heard somewhere else in
27:28
commercials or stuff like this. Fantastic classical
27:31
music. And I remember watching a movie called
27:34
Billy Elliot. If you've not seen it, guys, go
27:37
see Billy Elliot. Have you seen it? Not the movie,
27:40
but I saw the Broadway musical back in high school
27:44
for a theater field trip. This was like maybe
27:46
2008, 2009, yeah. Wow, yeah. When he comes on
27:50
his final dance where his dad's there watching
27:53
him, it's that soundtrack right there that got
27:56
me into the music around that performance. It
28:01
was just... It was just, oh my God. And then
28:05
you hear another track. So you go, oh, that's
28:07
from the blah, blah commercial. So they kind
28:09
of lodged somewhere in the subconscious brain
28:11
because you've probably heard them before in
28:13
the past, but I just think it's a nice classical
28:16
album going back before synthesizers and all
28:19
this stuff. It's just pure instruments playing
28:21
all live in a recording studio. Not like they
28:24
track every instrument now, but back then it
28:27
was played all on one record and that was it.
28:30
And it's just beautiful. I love that. I love
28:32
that. Yeah, I, you know, looking back on the
28:35
Billy Elliot experience, to go back on that,
28:38
it was something that I wish I appreciated at
28:40
the time because when I was acting in high school,
28:43
I took myself way too seriously. I was trying
28:45
to do the method acting thing. So pretty much
28:47
anything that wasn't like some kind of like Marlon
28:50
Brandery dramatic piece. If it was a goofy Broadway
28:54
musical presentation, I was just looking at it
28:56
like, God, this is so fucking cheesy. This is
28:58
so fucking stupid. looking back at it like I
29:02
just appreciate you know a musical like Billy
29:04
Elliot for you know for the art and the presentation
29:06
and the energy that it provides so yeah thank
29:09
you for that memory that's that's yeah it's it's
29:11
a really great you definitely surprised me with
29:13
Jay Z I didn't know that you were a fan of so
29:16
you so you're a fan of because obviously there's
29:18
errors of Jay Z or you're a fan of more of his
29:20
like earlier 90s records Jay Z easy all in guys
29:25
that grew up on and of course I've worked with
29:29
Most I've worked with a lot of black musicians
29:31
and I've worked with one white musician rapper
29:34
can't say his name But anyway, yeah, so I'm really
29:37
into the old style, you know 70s 80s in the early
29:41
days rap. So I like Jay -Z stuff today. I know
29:43
him personally We're down in Tribeca Probably
29:48
every year we go see if his home on on touring.
29:51
Yeah, love that music, but I love the new guys
29:54
coming out I don't know all the names when I
29:56
listen to something Awesome, man. I just love
29:59
it. And then being a musician, every kind of
30:02
music in the world, if you were to get in my
30:04
car right now and press play, it's going to be
30:07
something by Eminem, Jay -Z, um, no, maybe Easy
30:13
E, I'm not sure, but that kind of era, which
30:16
is funny, really, because I... So I have this
30:19
Bentley, this brand new Bentley Speed, and I'm
30:22
dressing nice today. I don't know why, but I
30:24
usually have orange shirts on, pink glasses and
30:27
stuff. And I pull up at the traffic lights and
30:29
another cow will pull with an older gentleman
30:31
in and have our windows down, you know, the M
30:33
&M blasting out. I know they're looking at me
30:35
going, how old are you? You're way too old for
30:38
that music. I'm 35 inside here, John, you know.
30:41
Music Yes, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you
30:46
know, it's funny how you mentioned easy e Specifically
30:50
because you know, a lot of people will kind of
30:52
like rope him into like oh, I'm a big fan of
30:54
NWA straight out of Compton That's another one.
30:57
Yeah, but easy. He doesn't get recognized so
30:59
much for his solo work. So Are you like like
31:03
like what are your thoughts about easy as a solo
31:06
artist compared to the NWA as a whole? Love NWA,
31:12
always loved NWA. Love Dre, always loved Dre.
31:15
Easy E, I think, had some quality. Well, you
31:19
can tell like he wrote it and had a huge influence
31:22
on it because it was more personal. But yeah,
31:25
I think a lot of musicians, like Dre and stuff
31:27
like that, that pulled away from the band. They
31:31
sound better. I think the band itself, when they
31:33
come on and they sound amazing, you get used
31:35
to that kind of sound and that rap beat. But
31:37
when you come out with that, the beat might be
31:38
the same, but the personality and the stories,
31:40
it differs for me. And because I'm a musician,
31:43
I spot that straight away, but both are good.
31:46
Can't deny that. I can't put one out in front
31:49
of the other, I don't think. If there was a rap
31:52
star out there who I have met, not through my
31:57
work, but with a personal friend, had dinner
31:59
with, it's great. I love everything he's done.
32:02
I love it. I love the way he produces. I just
32:04
love everything about him. I'm not a big Snoop
32:07
Dogg fan, but I am a big Snoop Dogg. Who the
32:11
hell is his media company? Cause how you go from,
32:15
from street rat to baking cakes on TV with Martha
32:18
Stewart is way beyond me. Yeah. Very good at
32:21
marketing. He is, uh, and he's not Snoop Lyon
32:24
anymore. Cause I think he had a moment where
32:26
he was Snoop Lyon, uh, like a regular. That didn't
32:29
go down too good. That was the worst two weeks
32:32
of his life. Probably not. Um, but yeah, no,
32:35
uh, you know, Snoop Dogg and you can apply this
32:37
to Dr. Dre, Ice Cube. Uh, these guys came from
32:41
where they came from in the West coast, the street
32:44
culture, the gangster rap culture. And then,
32:47
um, I guess once that culture became very mainstream,
32:52
very broad, like white people in the suburbs
32:54
were loving it, as well as black people in the
32:57
urban cities. Like then that just gave them the
32:59
license to branch out. Before you know it, Dr.
33:03
Dre, Snoop, Eminem, Hendrick, they're at the
33:05
Super Bowl halftime show. You would have never
33:07
thought 20, 30 years ago that, you know, hip
33:11
hop was going to have a place like that in the
33:12
Super Bowl halftime show, but it did. And then
33:17
Yeah, you know Dre in particular. It's really
33:21
interesting to see his trajectory because Going
33:24
back to his early days when he was with like
33:26
the the world -class wrecking crew. Yeah, and
33:29
he was Sort of in this, you know disco thing
33:33
and had the the makeup and and you know I mean,
33:36
you know easy when him and Dre had that falling
33:38
out easy So I said said plenty about that in
33:41
the diss song pointed towards Dre What was that
33:45
song called? no more motherfucking G's or whatever,
33:48
like straight up motherfucking G's. I don't know.
33:51
But it's a song that I've listened to over and
33:53
over again. And I, you know, I always have mixed
33:56
feelings because it's like, oh, during that feud
33:58
when, you know, I think it had something to do
34:03
with like Dre thinking that the manager, Jerry
34:07
Heller was just not. uh, being completely honest
34:11
and taking money away from the group and credit
34:13
away from the group. So he leaves and Ice Cube
34:15
leaves and Eazy -E tries to become loyal to Gary
34:18
Heller. And therefore it starts this feud with
34:20
Eazy -E and NWA versus Ice Cube and Dre. I always
34:24
have mixed feelings about that. Cause it's like,
34:25
Oh, some great music has been produced out of
34:27
those diss tracks. Like no Vaseline from Ice
34:30
Cube and, and a real motherfucking G's from EZE.
34:35
But at the same time, it's just like, oh, my
34:37
God, like, you know, you know, that a lot of
34:41
a lot of immaturity and violent words have been
34:45
produced from these from these beefs. That's
34:48
that could really hurt people. So what are your
34:50
thoughts about that era? I love it. I mean, I'm
34:53
sorry, guys, I got to say this. I was all over
34:55
violence as a kid. You know, when I first said
34:59
that stuff, I'm like, Oh, my God, yes. But yeah,
35:03
it's incredible. Just, I don't know, man. It
35:06
was something new when I first heard it. It was
35:09
something new. And I get to work with a lot of
35:11
these guys. And most of the time, they're nothing
35:13
like they portray, just like Gordon Ramsay is
35:16
one of my best friends. He's nothing like the
35:18
TV. Of course he's not. When I'm on TV, I'm nothing
35:20
like this person. Of course I'm not, because
35:22
we have these different personas playing to different
35:24
audiences. But yeah, I love it all. Man, I just,
35:28
it's crazy. I just... hip hop and stuff like
35:32
that. It's probably my number one music. You
35:33
know, I just love the whole cultural thing behind
35:36
it as well is especially with NWA. They just
35:39
didn't really give a fuck. And I'd never seen
35:42
that. We grew up in England in 1780. You've got
35:44
fucking Beatles. I can't stand. And then you've
35:46
got all these guys trying to be a little bit
35:49
risky. And then all of a sudden these guys come
35:50
on the show and they go, fuck you. This is what
35:52
we're doing. And I'm like, yeah, I love that
35:56
stuff. You know, it's just like, yeah, crazy.
35:59
And the other thing as well is it. I keep telling
36:00
people, they go, what happened to that rapper
36:02
that came out? He had a number one. Yeah, you
36:04
got into a beef with Eminem. Well, what does
36:06
that mean? You don't fuck with Eminem. Why? He
36:08
will end your fucking career right there in it.
36:11
Machine Gun Kelly coming out, think you could
36:13
take him down. Next to my neck, where's Machine
36:15
Gun Kelly? He's gone. He's playing little clubs
36:17
with a hundred people in round the corner in
36:19
the project. I had no idea Machine Gun Kelly
36:21
and Eminem had a beef. Oh my God. Yeah. And he
36:24
was gone. You know, I could imagine Martin has
36:27
been to my house and everything. I've been to
36:29
his house. And you can just imagine making that
36:31
call going, hey, to any musical company out there
36:35
or production company or any record company and
36:37
going, hey, you need to drop this guy and the
36:38
answer good, yes, sir. I'll do it. Because he
36:40
has that much power. No, nothing really happens
36:43
without Dre and Marshall knowing about it. And
36:46
everyone thinks it does. Like in you are nothing
36:49
common rappers that only go up and coming because
36:51
of these guys. You know, one of the young guys
36:53
turn on them guys and diss them in a song or
36:56
something, you're done. I don't care how many
36:58
millions of followers you've got, you're done.
37:00
Because if you can't get on a radio station,
37:01
you can't get on TV and no one's producing you
37:03
records, you are done. You can't go out on your
37:06
own and we're going to keep... No, nobody's interested.
37:08
You've not got the production behind it. You've
37:10
not got the who knows who behind it. And you
37:13
can just take you out in seconds, man. A lot
37:15
of people don't realize it. Powerful, powerful
37:17
people. If you can imagine the most powerful
37:19
oil company. with the most powerful CEO running
37:23
that old company, that's Dre and Eminem. Yeah.
37:26
In the music industry. Absolutely. Did you see
37:29
the Straight Outta Compton movie? Oh my God,
37:31
did I see it? Yeah, of course, yeah. What did
37:33
you think? Was it accurate? Did you love it?
37:35
It's like everything else, like the Queen movies,
37:37
80 % accurate. The rest is done for wow appeal,
37:41
of course, but then guys are real. That's what
37:43
I like about them. You know, I watched a Queen
37:45
movie there. It was good, but luckily I worked
37:47
with Queen. A lot of stuff was myth, and the
37:50
big concert they did, it was nothing like that.
37:52
But you just get, because you're hanging around
37:54
these guys, you get it's real. I mean, you're
37:57
supposed to go to acting school for 10 years
37:59
before you even attempt to go on a commercial.
38:01
You're supposed to be trained in the arts of
38:03
acting, and oh my dear, and these come along,
38:06
and they're acting, and Ice is on TV, and it's
38:09
just like, they just did it, man. That's what
38:11
I like about these guys, they didn't give a shit.
38:14
It's like, acting, acting, acting, and they just
38:16
be themselves, and they get away with that stuff
38:18
because it's real. They don't have to pretend
38:20
to be anybody else. It's hilarious sometimes,
38:24
especially that CSI thing. It's hilarious because
38:27
you can imagine him just speaking like that on
38:29
the streets anyway. What CSI thing are you talking
38:32
about? The ice cube. Is it ice cube? He's in
38:35
CSI. He's in a CSI thing. He is? TV program.
38:40
Yeah. Oh. I don't know, man. It's like when Eminem
38:43
came to their house. They had these little tiny
38:45
glasses on. He was very, very respectable. He
38:48
hasn't been scurrying, not going to kill you.
38:50
He was the nicest guy I'd ever met face to face.
38:52
But you can, you just know that it's a bit like
38:55
me today. We grew up on the streets where fighting
38:57
is a part of daily life. And if you didn't fight
39:00
and win, you get taken under. And you just know
39:03
that these guys are gritty. And you'll get somebody
39:06
now and again, a stupid one, you know, vanilla
39:09
ice, wants to be a gangster. You've never seen
39:11
a gangster in his life, that guy. Behead yourself.
39:13
Because I think over a long term period, it shows
39:16
that they have a pedigree on the streets. Like
39:19
it does with me. Sometimes I have to be pretty
39:21
improper, but I'll tell someone to get the fuck
39:23
out of my office if they annoy me. You know,
39:25
I've been in front of the Texas psychology board
39:27
more times than... God knows what, because the
39:31
real me comes out now and again if somebody starts
39:34
doing stuff they're not supposed to. It's a bit
39:36
like them guys are not pretending to be anybody.
39:38
We all know rappers that come out pretend to
39:40
be the streets, pretend to be this, they don't
39:41
last long. These guys in that era of the 80s
39:44
and 90s were the real deal. You know what, there's
39:48
definitely something to be said about that. Kind
39:50
of reminds me of, and I think this was like a
39:54
term that was... bellied about back in the day
39:57
in the 90s with the East Coast, West Coast beef
40:00
of it all, you know, difference between like
40:02
a studio gangster versus a real gangster, you
40:06
know? And that was actually, you know, studio
40:09
gangster, I think that was a criticism that was
40:11
leveled at Dre, ironically enough, because the
40:14
guy could definitely produce music. that would
40:18
make you think, like, oh, don't fuck with him.
40:20
And to some extent, like, that was actually true
40:22
when you hear about the fights and the domestic
40:26
abuse and, like, he certainly was a tough guy.
40:29
But, you know, at the same time... Um, you just
40:33
watch an interview with him. You see him in the
40:35
world -class wrecking crew days where he has
40:37
a softer image and you, you may get the impression,
40:41
you know, his credits may get the impression
40:42
that this is a guy who may just be playing a
40:44
part as opposed to being the part. So everybody
40:48
wants to be a gangster until it's time to do
40:50
gangster shit. You know, I was on the streets,
40:53
I was in gangs. Uh, I was on naughty boy back
40:55
in the day, murder charge and all that stuff.
40:59
But yeah, but you can you can tell you could
41:01
be a doctor. You can be a scientist You could
41:03
be a road sweeper. But when it comes down to
41:05
it, you know You know in the back that you don't
41:07
fuck with them guys. Yeah at the end of the day
41:09
It's like me when someone tries to mess with
41:12
me. I just remind them that I wasn't always a
41:13
doctor Yeah, yeah goes very quiet. No, I mean
41:17
as someone who like wasn't taught to fight Is
41:23
there something to be said about is this gonna
41:26
sound so stupid then probably but Was there any
41:31
role of like dialogue in your life growing up
41:37
to settle conflict, like talking it out, hashing
41:40
it out? Not in my day. I mean, even over here
41:43
when I see someone get into a fight and they're
41:45
going to push each other and push each other.
41:46
You don't do that in England. If there's a fight,
41:48
it needs to be ended in less than two seconds.
41:51
Done. No arguing, no nothing. You want some of
41:54
me? Yeah, bang, gone. I worked the door for years
41:56
and years, man. When it used to start, five people
41:58
would take bets on whether the guy I'd punch
42:00
would be unconscious before he hits the ground.
42:02
That kind of mentality we were in, man. It was
42:05
horrible. It was nasty. But yeah, there's not
42:07
a lot of dialogue in England. If he overhears,
42:09
well, this guy said he's going to come and get
42:11
me. Yeah, that doesn't happen in England. Someone
42:13
will get you in the middle of the night while
42:14
you sat in your bed and not say a word about
42:16
it. There's no threats like in England or in
42:18
my day anyway. You just do it. I'll come back
42:20
for you. You don't get to do that in the UK if
42:23
you say that. You do not get to do that. Right.
42:27
All right. You know what? And I've seen television
42:30
shows and movies that depict that rough and tumble
42:35
sort of like, you know, get your fists up and
42:36
ready to go kind of English culture. So that
42:38
definitely is not a surprise to me to hear you
42:41
say that. That's just the way I grew up, guys.
42:44
That's the area, that's the poverty stricken
42:47
area that I was in. It's not like that all over
42:49
England and probably never was, but where I grew
42:52
up, it's about like Compton with lights. Where
42:54
I grew up, it was rough. It was mean. It was
42:56
like every man was out for themselves and like
42:58
you have certain degrees. Like if you went, didn't
43:00
go, if you started work and didn't go to the
43:02
pub every Friday night with all your friends,
43:05
you were cast out as not being trusted. Never
43:08
squealing all that stuff. You stayed in your
43:10
own if somebody I get this from my mom now I
43:12
asked my wife who's America if I kill somebody
43:15
today and I come over and told you about tonight
43:17
Would you call the police and I says yeah, of
43:19
course of all it's illegal. What about you? I
43:21
don't care if you kill somebody and ate the body
43:23
when the police come in They don't gonna know
43:25
anything about we really I'm gonna tell him what
43:26
I'm gonna tell him that I'm That that's the way
43:28
we please you to turn up our door all the time
43:31
There was Bob driving his stolen cat. No, he's
43:33
been out all day And she knew I was driving the
43:35
stolen car, because I came home in it, and the
43:36
stolen car was parked round the corner to where
43:38
the police was knocking at my mum. I'm going,
43:40
what are we talking about? It's been there all
43:41
day. And violence kicked off, and someone spotted
43:43
me and comes and says, no, it's been there all
43:45
day. What's wrong with you? But that's the culture
43:47
I grew up in. You never, you never knocked back
43:50
family, no matter what they did. You always stuck
43:53
and lied. I got taught to lie at a very early
43:56
age to protect family, and it guys the stays
43:58
with you. I think my wife's all prim and proper,
44:01
contrary to her, like we were. Chalk and cheese
44:04
when we met, but she's never seen me be violent,
44:07
but she wants to say at night when we're eating
44:10
dinner, she says, no, I like about this relationship.
44:12
I know I'm protected and I know I'm safe. Cause
44:14
I just know that what you would do to protect
44:17
me. And of course, there's been incidents where
44:20
when you're on the streets and especially being
44:23
a psychologist, but having the street experience
44:25
and the project experience, you are looking at
44:28
10 different things. When I walk in a restaurant,
44:29
I'm not looking at the maitre d, I'm looking
44:31
at the nearest exit. I'm looking at the biggest
44:34
or most nastiest guy that I would have problems
44:37
fighting and I'm noting we're here. It's crazy.
44:40
I've always got to sit with our back towards,
44:42
so I'm looking at who's coming in, especially
44:44
over here with all the shield that's going on.
44:46
I'm always doing this stuff. And that comes from
44:48
my background. I'm not trusting anything or anyone
44:50
around you. You just, you can't do it back. I
44:53
grew up anyway. Somebody would beat you, rob
44:55
you. You've got to know your surroundings at
44:58
all times and be ready for violence at all times.
45:02
And I've got better at it, but there's still
45:04
10 % of me that's still old gangster. And I tell
45:10
people, look, I don't want to get in an argument
45:11
with you. Yeah, but look, you'll see the old
45:15
wrong. I don't want to see the old rock. And
45:17
God forbid you don't want to see the old rock.
45:19
We don't get into pushy where I come from. We
45:21
get into either fistfights or you're going to
45:24
get shot or something. We don't fuck around.
45:26
But it's just the area I grew up in. So when
45:29
I relate to these rap stars, you know who's true
45:32
and who's false. I was watching... So I was watching,
45:35
I don't know what his name was. He was a young
45:38
and upcoming rap star. And I just love this guy.
45:41
He's talking to the interviewer. And the interviewer
45:43
said, where's all the gold change in the watches?
45:44
I've got the Rolexes. And he said, what for?
45:47
And he said, well, you're wearing, don't you?
45:49
And he said to me, what did he say? He said,
45:53
to impress who? And the studio went quiet. What
45:56
do you mean? I've got a Rolex on here. I'm just
45:59
about to sell it because of that. He said, why
46:01
am I wearing a Rolex? To impress you. I ain't
46:04
doing it to impress me. I know what I have."
46:07
And he said, what time is it? And the interviewer
46:08
said, two o 'clock. He said, how much does that
46:10
cost you? And he said, man, I don't drive them
46:11
big Bentley's anymore. I drive a Ford F -150.
46:14
Why? I'm driving it for me, not you. And it really
46:17
affected me, John. I got on the next day and
46:19
I put three of my watches up for sale and I'm
46:22
looking at trading my Bentley and it's like $390
46:24
,000 for the car. Are you fucking insane? Nobody
46:27
needs a car like that coming from the projects.
46:30
And it really shook my world up a little bit.
46:32
Who am I doing this for? And if you guys out
46:34
there aren't doing it for, isn't that crazy?
46:36
After all this work I've done on myself and all
46:38
the job I have today, but it's, it's a long life.
46:41
You've got to be careful, man, because you, I
46:43
got on a plane, $190 million plane the other
46:46
day. Somebody, I'm on private planes all the
46:48
time. This one's a new, a new one. When you're
46:52
in that world, you can buy into that, but with
46:55
the project's mentality. is look at me, I'm better
46:58
than you. Who do you think you are? You don't
47:00
know who I am. What about bullshit, man? If I
47:02
buy into that stuff, I'm relapsing this week.
47:04
And if I relapse, I'm going to die. So the old
47:07
friends don't want to know you because look at
47:09
you now, because you're a multimillionaire. And
47:12
the real money don't want to know you because
47:13
they know you come for the project. So it gets
47:15
to that lonely place. I've been in a lonely place
47:17
for 30 years where people don't trust you there
47:20
and people don't trust you in there anymore.
47:23
Yeah. I don't get any subject. I'm telling you
47:25
things now that I've never shared on the thousands
47:27
of podcasts I've ever done. Oh, you know what?
47:29
Hey, that's okay, man. I was looking forward
47:32
to getting to know you and I certainly am getting
47:34
to know you. So this is this is awesome. Yeah,
47:37
what you just said kind of reminded me of like,
47:39
as a man and looking at how other men deal with
47:45
materialism, you know, getting the cars and the
47:50
the buff body working out in the gym and stuff
47:52
like that. And there's a good chunk of the time
47:55
that they're doing that to impress other men.
47:58
It's not so much, Oh, I want to like really impress
48:01
this woman. It's just, I want to look good in
48:05
front of all these other men to make them think
48:07
that I'm like the best quote unquote macho man
48:10
ever. And be able to get to a place where you're
48:13
working out where you're getting into sports
48:15
or cars or whatever just for yourself like because
48:18
you want to do it not because you want to impress
48:20
other people or fit in like that that could be
48:22
a tough journey to get to because I don't know,
48:25
just the way that we come into this world and
48:27
the way that we learn and pick up from observing
48:30
others, especially as we're growing up and going
48:32
through middle school, high school. It's designed
48:35
to be like, oh, here's what everybody is doing.
48:39
So how can I fit into this rather than what feels
48:42
authentic to me? So yeah, that's what I was thinking
48:45
about as you were sharing about. having these
48:50
things for you, not for other people. Yeah. It's
48:54
crazy. It's crazy. I see a lot of people I work
48:58
with have gone off the edge, obviously, of drug
49:00
and alcohol. But I see a lot of them ruin because
49:01
why not? I have street mentality and then you
49:05
have all this money and you live in an area where
49:07
I have private gates all around me. I have electric
49:09
gates all around me. I have this huge house.
49:12
I need I need to have them not for impressed
49:14
because some of these movie stars come and stay
49:16
at my house for several days so we have to have
49:18
it for insurance but you look at all that and
49:21
you go well then this is not me now but then
49:24
I lost myself in that shit you know I started
49:26
to believe in that so these days I've never read
49:29
my books I've never watched myself on TV I've
49:32
never watched the DVD movie things I was in I'll
49:34
not watch this podcast because if I see me on
49:36
there I might start believing you know, the hype,
49:39
like, I don't know, like the Rogan thing and
49:42
I won't watch that because I'll listen to it
49:43
because I'll stop believing that I'm that good
49:45
and I don't need to be thinking like that. I'm
49:47
just the average guy that got blessed, went through
49:50
some shit, look out the other side. And I do
49:53
it for this job. So four years ago, after 30
49:56
years of his stranger, my daughter texts me in
49:59
the middle of the night. I'm a conscious doctor,
50:01
which means if that text goes and it's a patient.
50:04
I gotta be in a plane within 30 minutes. So there's
50:06
a private FBO near us. That's the deal. That's
50:09
the contract. So when it goes, I get to it quick.
50:10
And I'm looking at it. It was my daughter. And
50:12
she says, Hey dad. She called me dad. I was crying.
50:16
And the gist of it, she said, I want you to come
50:19
over. I don't believe everything was said. I've
50:20
just seen you on TV over here. I've got something
50:23
to show you. When can you make it? Please, please,
50:25
please. And I'm like, Oh my God, I can't believe
50:27
it. Thank you so much for contacting me. We'll
50:29
be on a plane within two hours. And we was. It
50:31
goes round there. We stayed in a hotel overnight.
50:34
We went around there first thing in the morning
50:36
and I was crying, I was shaking. All the bad
50:40
stuff come back and what kind of father were
50:42
you? We get to the front door and I couldn't
50:44
knock and my wife's holding me open. Charlie,
50:47
Charlotte, Charlie opened the door and we hugged
50:50
each other and we cried and we laughed for, I
50:53
thought it was about an hour. My wife said it
50:55
was a night. And then she took me by my hand
50:57
and she walked me into a front living room and
50:59
she handed me my three month old granddaughter.
51:01
And that's why I do what I do today. Yeah. I
51:03
mean, blessings come if you do the right thing,
51:06
you know, doesn't where they say, if you're doing
51:07
gangster rap, or you're doing pop or opera, whether
51:10
you're a movie star or a road sweeper, it's about
51:12
doing the right thing and making somebody smile
51:14
today and blessing people around you. That's
51:16
what life's about today for me. That's awesome.
51:19
I've done everything else. I always say to Pete,
51:21
people like, I've got, I've got one thing and
51:23
this happened over the last few months. I have
51:25
one thing at last that not a lot of people have.
51:27
And they go, what is that? And I say, enough.
51:30
I have enough. That's the magic word. When is
51:32
it enough? That is the magic word. I think this
51:38
is a great transition to our final question here,
51:41
a delicious event that's happened in your life
51:42
lately. I mean, a three -month -old granddaughter,
51:45
that's a pretty good one. But is there anything
51:47
else that you have in mind where you were like,
51:49
oh, yeah, that's a good thing that happened to
51:50
me, and I would like to share it? So I'm in a
51:53
12 -step meeting some years ago, probably four
51:57
or five years ago, maybe. And my mom came over
52:01
to me and says, hey, my daughter's been sent
52:03
home, crack cocaine, alcohol, sent home from
52:06
the hospital to die. It'd mean the world if you
52:09
came over. She's seen you on TV and stuff. So
52:12
I'm like, yeah, of course we'll come over. So
52:14
me and my friend went over, she's on the sofa
52:16
and she probably weighs about 70 pounds. I don't
52:19
know. And I said, can I, so I was speaking to
52:21
the girl and I'm like, can I take her back to
52:23
my ranch for a few months? I want to get her
52:26
well. And they said, they said they're going
52:28
to die. And we didn't believe, we don't believe
52:30
in pharmaceutical stuff. So we took her back
52:32
to my ranch in Soli, but surely she got well,
52:34
started putting weight on. It was just amazing.
52:36
And she left us. And God, that must have been,
52:39
I bet it was 10 years ago, John. I'm in another
52:42
meeting a few weeks ago. I thought I recognized
52:47
a girl coming through a door and they went, no,
52:50
I can't remember her name. It's just somebody
52:52
I've seen. And at the end of the meeting, she
52:53
stood up and she said in this meeting, I want
52:56
to, and she pointed at me, I want to thank Dr.
52:59
Bob Kelly because he saved my life. And I'm thinking,
53:02
who the hell is this? I don't remember this.
53:04
And she said, he picked me up by mom's couch.
53:06
I went, Oh my God, it's Jill. And, uh, she went
53:10
on to say like, you know, I have a family, I
53:12
have two boys. Uh, I own a treatment center near
53:14
my husband. We're doing really well in life and,
53:17
uh, Oh God, I know. Uh, my, my, my children get
53:21
to see me today. That's awesome. Because of you?
53:25
I was crying because of me. Yeah. And, uh, you
53:27
know, it's just, you can't get, that's my pating
53:30
fault, John. I don't get involved in the money
53:32
side of this, all the business. I'm not interested,
53:34
like my wife on that. I'm interested in helping
53:36
people communication when something like that,
53:39
which has happened on lots of occasions. I've
53:42
worked with about 11 ,000 people or something
53:44
like that over the years. It just brings you
53:47
right down to earth. And again, it doesn't make
53:49
a difference what car I drove to that event.
53:53
Her saying that was worth anybody's weight in
53:56
gold. I walked out there crying, happy mornings.
54:00
It was unbelievable. And the second event is
54:02
I was dropping. So when patients come in, they
54:05
stay with us for three months, but every month
54:07
we take them all back to the family and they
54:09
stay one or two days while we're in a hotel and
54:11
during one of these nights. I thought, I'm going
54:13
to look up an old AA meeting around here because
54:16
I got nothing to do. I'll go there for a cup
54:18
of coffee and speak. And I got to this place
54:20
called a smokestack. Everyone was smoking in
54:22
there and it was just like the name said. And
54:25
these Hells Angels man kept staring at me. And
54:29
yeah, oh, there's a newcomer. Yeah, my name's
54:32
Rob. And they kept staring at me man. I thought,
54:35
I'm going to get killed. There's no doubt about
54:37
it. They're going to kill me. wait am I whether
54:38
I'm English why I don't know what they're gonna
54:40
kill me uh so we did the prior the end and I
54:43
run out well I was trying to walk but run at
54:45
the same time get back to my car safely and I
54:47
could hear all these stomping behind me I'm like
54:49
shit what do I do what do we do and suddenly
54:51
went Dr Rob and I stopped and turned around he
54:54
went you're Dr Rob right I went yeah Oh my god,
54:58
we love your videos, man. They are awesome. And
55:00
I'm like, I got in the car and cried again. I'm
55:02
really big softy. I cried again. I'm not going
55:05
to die. And they recognized me and I'm like,
55:07
oh my god, that's so fun. I love that. Oh my
55:10
god, this is great. I really loved this conversation.
55:13
This was very thought provoking. This was very
55:15
heartwarming. If anybody listening or watching
55:19
this wants to know where to find Dr. Rob Kelly,
55:25
like how can they find you? Give us everything,
55:26
the website, the socials, everything. So if you're
55:29
listening, not watching guys, I'll spell my name
55:31
into B's, R -O -B -B -K -E -L -L -Y .com is the
55:34
website. We've got a new company on there with
55:37
programming software that'll change your brain
55:39
and change the mapping and everything. Whether
55:41
you got addiction or you want to be the best
55:43
podcast in the world and make any difference.
55:44
All the socials are on there. There's a... Whereabouts
55:48
are you based, John? I'm sorry, say that one
55:51
more time? Whereabouts are you based right now?
55:54
I'm in the US. I'm in the state of Vermont. So
55:56
here's the... Everyone says put the money where
55:58
their mouth is when somebody says them. Jump
56:00
on there, guys. Look at all the socials, contact
56:03
us. We can cure anything apart from alcoholism,
56:05
but we can cure depression and all that. There's
56:07
a great book on that. That's my daughter. That's
56:10
me completely wasted on heroin and alcohol while
56:13
I'm there with her. It's kind of our life story.
56:15
Don't buy it off Amazon. I got 10 free copies
56:19
to give away for the first nine people that either
56:22
contact me or John. I'll sign it personally and
56:25
say I'll pay the shipping and everything. As
56:27
long as when you finish reading it, you give
56:29
it to somebody else free of charge. So come and
56:31
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56:34
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57:00
Culture. Dr. Now, Kelly, thank you so much again.
57:03
This was great. We have to do this again. Oh,
57:05
we need to do it again. To tell you what, now
57:07
again on thousands of these, John, I got to tell
57:09
you right now with your questions and the way
57:11
you draw people in, I bet you're in my top three
57:14
of podcasters of all time I've been interviewed
57:16
with. Wow. You're amazing. You're amazing. I
57:20
don't whether you earn money doing this, but
57:22
I will swear on every single dime I have that
57:24
very soon you will be. You are so good, John.
57:28
I don't really like podcasts. It's like, you've
57:30
got to share and help save a life, which is good.
57:32
But when you get somebody like you, which is
57:34
rare. that you open up with stuff that you've
57:36
never shared before. And I'm really interested
57:39
in the conversation and you don't just send bland
57:41
questions, man. It's like, oh my God, this guy's
57:44
good. I thought I needed to tell you online.
57:47
I just, I don't know. I mean, I, I, I felt like
57:49
I barely said much and was just listening. I
57:51
mean, I, I was, I'm fascinated by your story
57:53
and I, and you drew me in that really means a
57:55
lot to me. Um, cool. All right. So all those
57:59
listening into watching let's deliciousness ring.