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Speaker 1: Jesus is the reform it.
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Speaker 2: Tonight I'll talk to a senior Liberal Party official who
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Speaker 2: has just affected to one nation. Plus Labour's new death
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Speaker 2: tax causes chaos in the government anything albany Is even
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Speaker 2: falsely denies it exists. Also tonight, Labor refuses to change
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Speaker 2: the law even after a man who identifies as a
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Speaker 2: woman wins a case against the woman insisting she is
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Speaker 2: a man. And Donald Trump threatens to restart the war
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Speaker 2: with Iran. But first, this lying Albanizi government has just
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Speaker 2: got exactly what it deserved, extraordinary punishment in three new polls.
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Speaker 2: And no wonder if there's an iron law in politics,
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Speaker 2: it's that politicians who lie to the public they pay.
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Speaker 1: They pay big. But here's the bizarre thing.
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Speaker 2: No one knew that law better than promise and Anthony Albanzi,
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Speaker 2: who even lectured his own politicians to stick to their word.
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Speaker 2: Yet for some reason, how many easy last week in
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Speaker 2: the budget did the exact opposite of what he promised.
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Speaker 2: Photos rapeatedly before last year's election that it wouldn't slash
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Speaker 2: negative gearing, he wouldn't change the capital tax discount. There's
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Speaker 2: so many ordinary strons have used to make themselves a
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Speaker 2: bit of money through housing or shares.
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Speaker 3: Can you rule out any changes to negative gearing and
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Speaker 3: capital gains taxes?
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Speaker 4: How hard is it for the fiftieth time.
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Speaker 2: And how the inevitable? I mean, three polls show how
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Speaker 2: much labor is paying for that brazen and shameless lie.
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Speaker 2: Let me go through them through these figures, because nothing
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Speaker 2: like this has been seen for more than thirty years, nothing,
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Speaker 2: and it raises the question what the hell was going
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Speaker 2: through Albanese's head. The Freshwater pole shows labor support has
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Speaker 2: dropped a dramatic three percent, with one nation and the
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Speaker 2: coalition both gaining. The resolve pole again Labor plummeting three
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Speaker 2: points to just twenty nine percent support, although this time
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Speaker 2: the gain was to one nation but not to the coalition.
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Speaker 2: And then there was news poll. It shows Labour's vote
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Speaker 2: neither rising nor falling, but one nation piling on another
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Speaker 2: three points to clearly lead the coalition whose support actually fell.
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Speaker 2: So just on those figures, this is a budget that's
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Speaker 2: back for a big time and labor, but didn't help
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Speaker 2: the coalition only one nation one out of this. But
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Speaker 2: I want to show you one more graphic, also from
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Speaker 2: news poll, that helps to show you just what's happened.
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Speaker 2: Newspole found forty seven percent of Australians thought the budget
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Speaker 2: was bad and just twenty two percent thought it was good.
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Speaker 2: And that made this budget more unpopular than even the
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Speaker 2: one twelve years ago handed down by the Abbot governments
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Speaker 2: then Treasurer Joe Hockey, which also broke promises. Promises are
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Speaker 2: not cut welfare, to not raise taxes, to not even
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Speaker 2: cut the ABC. Would you believe but this Albany gets
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Speaker 2: help an easy government's budget is more hated than even
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Speaker 2: that Abbot government won. Unbelievable. In fact, the only budget
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Speaker 2: hated more than alban Easys in our time at least,
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Speaker 2: is the one that Paul Kitting's government, Paul Keating's government
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Speaker 2: handed down thirty three years ago when Keating iiO broke
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Speaker 2: a solemn promise in his case, this promise to give
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Speaker 2: us the law law tax cuts. It even passed into
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Speaker 2: law before his election. Now you have to note the
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Speaker 2: common theme, the common denomination in all these most hated budgets.
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Speaker 2: It's broken promises. Broken promises are deadly in politics. The
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Speaker 2: Gillard government that was broken by another.
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Speaker 5: Lie there will be no carbon tax under the government highly.
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Speaker 2: Never recovered after that. John Howard's government was also fatally
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Speaker 2: wounded in his final term when it broke its election
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Speaker 2: promise to not change workplace laws its last big election win.
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Speaker 2: I think must have gone to its head because it
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Speaker 2: ran through its work choice as laws and was destroyed.
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Speaker 2: Howard even lost his own seat. And that's what makes
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Speaker 2: Albanese's lie, his broken promises in this budget even crazier
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Speaker 2: and I simply don't get it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Albanezi has.
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Speaker 2: Been in Parliament since nineteen ninety six. He's actually lived
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Speaker 2: through all these examples have given of governments punished for
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Speaker 2: their lies and broken promises. He's actually learned those letters
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Speaker 2: already seem to in fact, as Prime Minister, has even
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Speaker 2: been criticized for in his first time, in particular by
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Speaker 2: labor feeders, of being oh too cautious, and a year
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Speaker 2: ago he was still saying, no, I'm not going to change,
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Speaker 2: you know, I'm going to keep doing only what I've promised,
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Speaker 2: he said going forward, we need that same discipline, the
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Speaker 2: same unity, the same sense of purpose, the same making
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Speaker 2: sure there's no overreach. We have a mandate for what
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Speaker 2: we took to the Australian people that is our mandate.
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Speaker 2: And then last week Bom he threw it all in
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Speaker 2: the wind with the budget.
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Speaker 1: It all changed. Abs. He did overreach, he broke his.
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Speaker 2: Promises, his mandate, and he made fools of the voters
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Speaker 2: and now his pain, just as Howard did, as Keating did,
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Speaker 2: as Gillard did, as Abbot, as all of them did.
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Speaker 1: And you have to ask, why did he do it? Arrogance?
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Speaker 1: I mean, oh, look, I've won this massive majority.
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Speaker 2: Or was it a desperation for cash from a government
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Speaker 2: that's run out of our money? And today, you know,
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Speaker 2: we still saw alban Izy and his treasurer refusing to
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Speaker 2: be honest and to just admit they had lied and
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Speaker 2: were now paying for it in these polls.
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Speaker 6: Don't apologize tho to boaters were breaking the promise on
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Speaker 6: coup of the games, and.
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Speaker 4: Well, we've change our position and we're explained.
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Speaker 3: Why you make a mistake by breaking those major tax promises.
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Speaker 7: I don't believe so, I mean, I understand that some
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Speaker 7: people will focus on the politics of it, but it's
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Speaker 7: the substance, that substance that really mattered. It would surprise
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Speaker 7: me more if we got some sort of bounce in
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Speaker 7: the polls from the difficult decisions that we took in
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Speaker 7: the budget.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know that he believes that. Look gone,
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Speaker 2: now is any trust in this government and its promises.
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Speaker 1: It couldn't even today admit that.
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Speaker 2: It's also imposed the kind of death tax, So thirty
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Speaker 2: percent minimum tax on people who in future leave money
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Speaker 2: to their children through a discretionary testamentary trust, rather than
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Speaker 2: leaving them a fix them.
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Speaker 8: Ount on the death tax. Why are you essentially penalizing
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Speaker 8: parents who just want to secure their family's future.
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Speaker 9: We're not.
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Speaker 4: The existing position stays exactly the same if they want
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Speaker 4: to keep the arrangements in and a fixed trust can
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Speaker 4: be there as well. What we're doing is making sure
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Speaker 4: that the tax system works for everyone.
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Speaker 7: There's no tax on inheritances or inherited assets in the budget.
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Speaker 7: We've been clear about the exemptions in the budget papers.
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Speaker 7: People can still set up fixed testamentary trusts after twenty
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Speaker 7: twenty eight, and I think in this regard it's best
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Speaker 7: not to listen to the scare campaigns from people who
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Speaker 7: have a partisan or a commercial interest in this. We're
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Speaker 7: making sensible, common sense changes.
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Speaker 2: Don't believe in there has been a change made right
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Speaker 2: and this is going to be This whole budget, this
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Speaker 2: whole shamuzzle, is going to be a huge turning point
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Speaker 2: for a government that was already in deep trouble, already
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Speaker 2: out of money, already battling inflation, already facing even more
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Speaker 2: interest rate rises. And it's just unbelievable to me. I mean,
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Speaker 2: how hard can it be for a politician keep your
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Speaker 2: promises if you break them. Voters know that their politicians
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Speaker 2: are no longer their servants, but they're masters, tricking them
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Speaker 2: to stay in power, not doing what they promised, and
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Speaker 2: that is something that voters cannot and must not forgive,
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Speaker 2: as this government learned again today. Now, these three polls
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Speaker 2: that I showed you, they show that the only real
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Speaker 2: winner so far from budget week was One Nation. He
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Speaker 2: went up in all three polls, and in all three
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Speaker 2: it now leads the coalition.
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Speaker 1: Well some it already did.
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Speaker 2: It's also One Nation has hit the coalition again by
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Speaker 2: recruiting two prominent Liberal women. Former Liberal Senator Holly Hughes
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Speaker 2: had been dump from a winnable position in the coalition's
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Speaker 2: new South Wales Senate ticket, and also former Federal Liberal
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Speaker 2: Vice President Tina McQueen, who joins me now Tina, great
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Speaker 2: to see you again. Listen, you have been a Liberal
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Speaker 2: Party member for am I allowed to say some forty
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Speaker 2: years joined us a little girl. Obviously, yes, why have
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Speaker 2: you now quit and joined One Nation?
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Speaker 6: Andrew, Look at this isn't something that's happened recently. I've
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Speaker 6: given this a lot of thought over twelve eighteen months.
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Speaker 6: I think the demise of the Little Party setting when
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Speaker 6: Tony Abbott lost his Prime ministership, the left had been
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Speaker 6: creeping in. I tried so very hard, you know, ten
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Speaker 6: years on Federal executive where I was bashing my head
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Speaker 6: against the wall, and I came to the clusion, you know,
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Speaker 6: looking at my two grandchildren, the state of the country,
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Speaker 6: that I really wanted to help one nation.
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Speaker 1: I wasn't recruited.
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Speaker 6: It was my choice. I asked to join. I spoke
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Speaker 6: with Pauline and told her my thoughts and we went
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Speaker 6: from there.
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Speaker 2: But the timing didn't opposition leader in this Taylor last
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Speaker 2: Thursday give well, at least in my opinion, a fairly
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Speaker 2: pretty strong budget. In reply, I mean he promised the
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Speaker 2: slash immigration, promised to abolish bracket creep that was a
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Speaker 2: very big thing, and promising to scrap it zero schemes.
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Speaker 1: I mean, what would you be objecting to that?
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Speaker 6: Well, we shouldn't have had the net zero schemes in
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Speaker 6: the first place, and you know promises. Let him try
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Speaker 6: and carry through with that. I saw him today, you know,
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Speaker 6: trying desperately to put argements us with. Alongside him was
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Speaker 6: Jane Hume and Andrew Bragg, two very left people with
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Speaker 6: a party, and that concerns me. No matter what Angus
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Speaker 6: wants to do, and I have no dad he wants
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Speaker 6: to do the right thing, he'll be held back and
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Speaker 6: halted by that left the party that had always been
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Speaker 6: the problem.
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Speaker 2: Now, what's been the reaction from other liberals to your defection?
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Speaker 2: Is it anger that you've jumped ship?
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Speaker 6: No, I thought there would have been. Andrew, I'm very surprised.
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Speaker 6: I've had over one hundred and fifty messages. But because
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Speaker 6: I've been a conservative warrior for thirty years or more,
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Speaker 6: people know, are I sound a bit like Pauline? I
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Speaker 6: haven't changed my view in all those years. I fought
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Speaker 6: constantly for the conservative side of the party. It's been
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Speaker 6: incredibly supportive, very supportive. I haven't had one negative comment yet,
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Speaker 6: so that was surprising. I did expect to be bushed
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Speaker 6: up a little bit, but I haven't been yet.
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Speaker 1: Do you think you two will be the last? No?
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Speaker 1: Got any tips?
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Speaker 6: No, I don't have any tips. But I think the
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Speaker 6: frustration and anger is building. I mean, Angers didn't give
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Speaker 6: a bad reply, but it should have been a death
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Speaker 6: at an attack. I mean, look at this government. Angers
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Speaker 6: should have taken them out. I just didn't see the
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Speaker 6: passion and the fury that people that I'm feeling out
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Speaker 6: there in every electorate, Andrew.
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Speaker 2: Now, Holly Hughes tells me she's prepared to stand for
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Speaker 2: election as One Nation candidate, provided the party, the members
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Speaker 2: and all that want that.
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Speaker 1: What about you?
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Speaker 6: Oh, it's the same thing, Andrew. I mean, it's a
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Speaker 6: democracy in one nation. The One Nation members will decide.
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Speaker 6: I'm happy to help Pauline and the One Nation Party
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Speaker 6: in whatever role they see fit. I'd seriously consider standing.
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Speaker 6: I feel that passionate about it. But again it's up
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Speaker 6: to the members, and I'd certainly abide by their decision.
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Speaker 6: I'm just here to do whatever I can to help
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Speaker 6: one nation grow and get over the line.
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Speaker 2: Well, what do you think you and Hardy have to
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Speaker 2: offer one nation? How is one nation stronger with the
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Speaker 2: you two on board.
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Speaker 6: I think he is experience of dealing with candidates, of
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Speaker 6: fundraising policy. We have a wealth of knowledge between us,
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Speaker 6: particularly me having sat on our federal executive for so long,
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Speaker 6: so I can certainly help in the mechanics of the
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Speaker 6: party as well. I think I can be an asset
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Speaker 6: in that role for Pauline and her and her and
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Speaker 6: her party.
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Speaker 2: And if you did offer yourself for election, where would
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Speaker 2: you stand.
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Speaker 6: Oh Andrew, I don't want to give too much.
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Speaker 1: Away just yet.
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Speaker 2: Tina no regrets forty years in the same party and
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Speaker 2: now it's abandoning it.
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Speaker 6: I'm not saying I'm not saying it's not tough. I'm
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Speaker 6: an incredibly loyal person. And there's one SMS I just
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Speaker 6: haven't been able to reply to yet, and that was
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Speaker 6: from Tonia. But that's very difficult. We've been friends for many,
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Speaker 6: many years and I'll still be his friend. Hasn't changed.
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Speaker 6: But as I said, it wasn't easy decision, but I
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Speaker 6: feel it's the right one for myself and for one nation.
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Speaker 2: So Tony's SMS was one that wasn't supportive.
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Speaker 6: No no, no, no, no no. It wasn't derogetry or
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Speaker 6: bad in any way, it just touched me. I mean,
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Speaker 6: he's a wordsmith and all his SMSs have are very
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Speaker 6: powerful and it was just a little emotional for me.
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Speaker 2: Tena McQueen, thank you so much indeed for your time.
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Speaker 2: Really appreciate it. Pleasure after the break. Who should really
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Speaker 2: be panicking about these polls? Plus anything the Albanez he
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Speaker 2: trips up over his death tax the panel after this.
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Speaker 2: I don't think the Albani's government has been punished just
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Speaker 2: for breaking its promises.
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Speaker 1: Through one.
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Speaker 2: I think it's also misjudged a stress this assume that
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Speaker 2: most people want governments to give them other people's money,
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Speaker 2: rather than the opportunity to earn their own. It's also
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Speaker 2: forgotten that one of the most popular sports in Australia
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Speaker 2: is buying tax tickets. You know, big Pool will get
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Speaker 2: more than five million Australians buying a ticket to enjoy
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Speaker 2: just the hope of winning enough money to change their lives.
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Speaker 2: Well for many Australians just on a wage. Another potential
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Speaker 2: taslotter ticket is investing property with the help of negative
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Speaker 2: gearing and a fifty percent discount on the tax paid
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Speaker 2: on capital gains, or investing in shares. Picking the winner
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Speaker 2: and again getting that fifty percent capital gain stakes discount.
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Speaker 2: But now with this budget discount gone, the negative gearing
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Speaker 2: on existing houses also gone. But it's not just the
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Speaker 2: investment opportunity then that's essentially gone, but a dream of
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Speaker 2: making it big luck with Tatslatto, you know, investing in
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Speaker 2: the new apple or something and cleaning up is the
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Speaker 2: Monday Political Panel Michael Kroger, former Victorian Liberal president, the
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Speaker 2: former Labour senator Steve Conroy, former Covinet minister. Michael Kroger
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Speaker 2: the polls, how worried should labor be?
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Speaker 1: Well, I think that should be very worried.
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Speaker 3: The budget's been very badly received. And Andrew, you know,
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Speaker 3: in simple terms, you got to look at this way.
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Speaker 3: Labor do best when they're spending money, massive amounts of money,
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Speaker 3: especially when they talk about medicare and running scare campaigns
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Speaker 3: against the coalition. That's when they do best. Now you
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Speaker 3: look at what the situation is. Now they've run out
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Speaker 3: of money. This is their big problem. They've run out
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Speaker 3: of money. No more student debt written off, et cetera,
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Speaker 3: sept They've run out of money. They have to increase taxes.
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Speaker 1: When they increase taxes, they.
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Speaker 3: Drag the whole national debate onto The Liberal Party's main
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Speaker 3: rais on debtor, which is management of the economy, which
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Speaker 3: is why it's a very dangerous thing to start fighting
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Speaker 3: on tax coming up to the twenty twenty eight election.
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Speaker 1: I'm clean.
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Speaker 2: You reminded me of the promise to wipe out student
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Speaker 2: debt because in effect they've transferred that debt to the
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Speaker 2: national debt. The students will still have to pay it,
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Speaker 2: laid it down the track, the national debt will have
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Speaker 2: to be repaid. Stephen, how worried should labor be?
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Speaker 9: Labor should always be cautious and be watching, you know
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Speaker 9: the trends and the polar But I'm just amused. You know,
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Speaker 9: this terrible labor budget led to the Liberal Party dropping
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Speaker 9: three points in newspoll. And now, as you showed earlier
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Speaker 9: in the show, what you're seeing now is not a protest,
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Speaker 9: not a blip. Is that one nation are replacing, if
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Speaker 9: not have replaced, Angus Taylor and the Liberal Party as
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Speaker 9: the main opposition party in this country.
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Speaker 2: So I've got that, and I mentioned that problem. This
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Speaker 2: is something further, This is excess. I'm talking about labor problem.
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Speaker 9: Now you said who, and I'm.
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Speaker 1: Just into Albaneze's head. I got that.
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Speaker 2: I got that, Stephen and I we'll get to that.
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Speaker 2: But it's a deflection again. I'm just wondering what got
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Speaker 2: into Anthony Albanese's head that he did something that you
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Speaker 2: would know, Stephen, You have looked at this stuff, You've
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Speaker 2: lived through some of that stuff. You break a promise,
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Speaker 2: you pay What made them think, after four years of
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Speaker 2: being ultra cautious, let's break promises like this.
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Speaker 9: Well, as I think I said to you last week
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Speaker 9: and it hadn't quite been delivered yet, that governments that
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Speaker 9: break their promises will lose some paint. Tony Abbott lost
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Speaker 9: an enormous amount of paint for breaking a promise he
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Speaker 9: made to camera just before the twenty fourteen election, and
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Speaker 9: this government will lose some paint. Now, the extent of
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Speaker 9: the loss will depend on a number of factors. Firstly,
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Speaker 9: are they going to really press ahead and keep arguing
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Speaker 9: as they have done and keep making the case. Will
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Speaker 9: they still loosen paint?
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Speaker 1: Yes?
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Speaker 9: And then there's the fact that the policy agenda over
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Speaker 9: the last twelve and eighteen months has been trying to
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Speaker 9: shift from the status quo when it comes to the
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Speaker 9: ability for people under the age of forty or thirty
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Speaker 9: to be able to buy a house. The current policy
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Speaker 9: settings that have been in place for ten or fifteen
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Speaker 9: or twenty years have failed. People under the age of
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Speaker 9: forty and thirty who want to live the Australian dream
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Speaker 9: don't believe that it will ever happen anymore. They don't
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Speaker 9: want the government to say status quo is good enough
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Speaker 9: because they think the status both has sold them down
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Speaker 9: the drain. So those are the points I've got the excuses,
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Speaker 9: have got the excuses.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but these policies in fact le to fewer houses
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Speaker 2: being built, particularly the broken promises those alone fewer houses.
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Speaker 1: Hi, So I don't see how it's going to help
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Speaker 1: with Michael, I'm sorry look at it.
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Speaker 2: But Michael, yeah, well that's the budget papers. I've actually
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Speaker 2: quoted from the budget papers. But Michael, what I don't
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Speaker 2: get is a question I put to Stephen why Anthony
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Speaker 2: alban easy after four years of saying let's walk, don't run,
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Speaker 2: let's just do what we've said, no more telling all
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Speaker 2: the hotheads call it in his party, let's stick to
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Speaker 2: our mandate Sunday cuts looks like this in the budget
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Speaker 2: and breaks promises why well.
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Speaker 3: Andro I go back to the great story about Kevin
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Speaker 3: rud where he allegedly said to his group of advisers
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Speaker 3: one day, can someone give me something to believe in?
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Speaker 3: And this is the problem with Albanize. In a slightly
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Speaker 3: different way. You have said to people. The people have
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Speaker 3: said to him, you've got to leave a legacy elbow.
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Speaker 3: You've got to have a legacy. What is the great reform?
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Speaker 1: What are you going to be known for?
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Speaker 3: And now they would have said, mate, what about you know,
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Speaker 3: cutting off those rich people or capital gamest, negative art
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Speaker 3: all a raw blah blah blah. You know, give him
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Speaker 3: a whack. And I think that's what he's done. I
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Speaker 3: think that's what he's done.
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Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 3: The problem you're doing that is he's created a lie.
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Speaker 3: I've never seen a lie like this before. He won't
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Speaker 3: be able to write repitext modeling at the next federal
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Speaker 3: election when he says, oh that lie was you know
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Speaker 3: they reprotext, he won't be able to do that. He's
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Speaker 3: run out of money. This guy's in real trouble. He's
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Speaker 3: in real trouble. He's told a bull faced lie. He's
21:27
Speaker 3: drag Chambers into it, the charms into it as well.
21:31
Speaker 3: The two of them are absolutely toxic. The budget's toxic,
21:34
Speaker 3: the place is broke. And Andrew answer me this, why
21:38
Speaker 3: why isn't it right for the coalition to start warning
21:41
Speaker 3: people about a death tax?
21:43
Speaker 2: I mean, we have death taxes in Australia absolutely absolutely,
21:47
Speaker 2: We had all all absolutely, you.
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Speaker 3: Know, the old Compedterson abolished them in January nineteen seventy
21:54
Speaker 3: seven and then the other states followed. But death taxes are
21:56
Speaker 3: a normal part of Australia. Of these strange taxations, so
22:00
Speaker 3: says fifteen percent tax on all the states worth over
22:04
Speaker 3: stays three million dollars.
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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't they ever do that?
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Speaker 3: That's what they believe should happen, That's what they would
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Speaker 3: want to do in their heart.
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Speaker 2: Well on the so called death tax, on the so
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Speaker 2: called death tax, which is the latest you know far
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Speaker 2: that they're fighting, Stephen, I know it applies to only
22:21
Speaker 2: you know on the description testamentary testimony trusts. I've getten right,
22:28
Speaker 2: sooner be late problem. Yeah, I know, it only applies
22:33
Speaker 2: to what just over ten thousand trusts. But it's where
22:38
Speaker 2: a trustee decides which child or whatever gets what and
22:43
Speaker 2: how much at the time, you know, needs may change,
22:47
Speaker 2: or they might get divorced, all that kind of thing.
22:50
Speaker 2: That's what it's for. The Prime Minister twice yesterday falsely
22:54
Speaker 2: claimed the budget did not touch them.
22:56
Speaker 1: And have a look.
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Speaker 10: That the trust.
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Speaker 5: Why have you decided to decrease that trust?
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Speaker 4: People will well, the the statements that the premises, the
23:13
Speaker 4: premise of your question is completely wrong. Have made it
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Speaker 4: very clear that testamenty trust will not be included.
23:22
Speaker 2: Well, they are effect include. It's just that this change
23:25
Speaker 2: of place, the future trust that one's operating now now Stephen.
23:31
Speaker 1: About points, Yeah.
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Speaker 9: They're all grand for head ten thousand and five hundred,
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Speaker 9: our grandfather. That is the absolutely most important point. So
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Speaker 9: nobody who currently has a fixed or a discretionary trust
23:49
Speaker 9: of this type is affected at all, nobody going forward.
23:55
Speaker 9: If you create a fixed trust, you're not impacted. So
23:59
Speaker 9: the Prime Minister was actually accurate in what he said.
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Speaker 9: They're not touched. The existing ones are not touched, knowing
24:09
Speaker 9: and that's not what he admitted. Knowingly. Knowingly, if someone
24:15
Speaker 9: wants to create a discretionary trust, you know you're up
24:17
Speaker 9: for the thirty percent. All you have to do is
24:20
Speaker 9: put a fixed trust in place. And the other important
24:23
Speaker 9: point is it bequests?
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Speaker 1: So if you just give.
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Speaker 9: Your family there, you know what they get after you die.
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Speaker 9: None of that's touched. None of that's touched.
24:36
Speaker 1: What do you think, let's be clear. Feeling a lot
24:39
Speaker 1: better now, well, Michael, what do you think? Glad you are?
24:45
Speaker 1: Is this a big nothing?
24:47
Speaker 10: No, it's not, it's not. You remember that movie, the horror movie,
24:50
Speaker 10: the Blob. You know once this stufficuous breach.
24:59
Speaker 1: That's what labor did.
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Speaker 3: Taxes start, they never stopped.
25:03
Speaker 1: Rod Look at the sleeper taxtas.
25:04
Speaker 3: Bit by bit by bit we increase it and labor
25:07
Speaker 3: can't help spending money. We've been warning on the show
25:10
Speaker 3: on others for years that charmers can't control of spending.
25:13
Speaker 3: They've run out of money, right, that's one point two
25:16
Speaker 3: nine trillion in thirty thirty. One point two four nine
25:19
Speaker 3: trillion in thirty thirty. They need to raise revenue. You know,
25:23
Speaker 3: they haven't done the work. They just grabbed dust off
25:25
Speaker 3: Bill Shorten's policies from ninet and add a few hundreds
25:28
Speaker 3: and thousands and away you go. They've run out of money.
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Speaker 1: Michael.
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Speaker 2: Let me stay with you though, Let let me stay
25:34
Speaker 2: with you though, for before I run out of time
25:37
Speaker 2: to raise with you something that I've said and that
25:40
Speaker 2: Stevens alluded to. Two Yes, very unpopular budget, tremendously unpopular
25:48
Speaker 2: and one nation not the Liberals benefited from that.
25:51
Speaker 1: Why is that?
25:53
Speaker 3: It's a very good question. Basically because the reset that
25:57
Speaker 3: Angus Taylor is engaging in it's take months to seep through.
26:00
Speaker 3: I mean, he had the best policy statement from the
26:04
Speaker 3: Coalition in Doggy's years with his statements about the tax
26:08
Speaker 3: system right and bracket creep. No other liberal leader in
26:11
Speaker 3: history has done that, No labor leader done it. What
26:14
Speaker 3: Taylor has done is going.
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Speaker 9: To be how it introduced ninety seventy seven John, how
26:18
Speaker 9: it introduced tax indexation and then they abolished it only
26:21
Speaker 9: months later.
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Speaker 3: In terms of in terms of a change this issue,
26:25
Speaker 3: this foe will bring about integrity and government spending it
26:27
Speaker 3: because no longer we have that nonsense of taxes rise
26:30
Speaker 3: and the government say, oh, we're giving you a tax done. No,
26:32
Speaker 3: they're only giving back people the money they stole from
26:34
Speaker 3: them under the table. This is a tremendous change by Tailor,
26:38
Speaker 3: but it's going to take months and months and months
26:40
Speaker 3: to see through. So people understand what a change the
26:44
Speaker 3: tax system this is going to be so it's going
26:46
Speaker 3: to take quite a while. And at the minute we're
26:48
Speaker 3: in the politics of Brivens. I certainly understand the one
26:51
Speaker 3: nation vote vote as well as anybody, but for Taylor
26:54
Speaker 3: to reset the party on the liberals core brand equity,
26:56
Speaker 3: which is economics and tax it's complicated. It'll take time.
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Speaker 1: Just quickly.
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Speaker 2: I am out of time, Stephen, very quickly. Do you
27:06
Speaker 2: think he's got that time?
27:09
Speaker 1: Look, I don't.
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Speaker 9: I think Michael is demonstrating the actual problem the Liberal
27:13
Speaker 9: Party face. They think the same old lines are going
27:17
Speaker 9: to win them the next election. People don't want the
27:21
Speaker 9: status quote. Pauling Hanson's people don't want the status quo.
27:24
Speaker 9: And people under the age of forty think the economics
27:29
Speaker 9: of what's happened the last twenty years has failed them
27:31
Speaker 9: and they feel sold out and they're angry about it.
27:33
Speaker 1: So you've got two separate.
27:35
Speaker 9: Interesting, angry cohorts in Australia who do not want the
27:38
Speaker 9: status quote and Michael, you're championing the status quo, and
27:42
Speaker 9: so's Angus Kiler.
27:45
Speaker 2: Michael craigis Stephen cont Michael craigis Stephen Conor.
27:49
Speaker 1: I've got to go Thank you very much to you both.
27:53
Speaker 2: After the break, Donald Trump threatens more again with I
27:57
Speaker 2: run more after this. Big developments with the two wars
28:05
Speaker 2: that have so destabilized our world. First Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
28:11
Speaker 2: There's been overshadowed, I know, by the Iran War for
28:14
Speaker 2: the past couple of months, but there is.
28:16
Speaker 1: Big news there.
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Speaker 2: One of the most shameful things that Donald Trump has
28:21
Speaker 2: done as president was publicly abused Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenski
28:27
Speaker 2: a year ago in the White House try to bully
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Speaker 2: him into effectively surrendering to Russian despot Vladimir Putin.
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Speaker 1: You're not winning. You're not winning this. You have to
28:38
Speaker 1: be thankful. You don't have the cards. No cards, eh. Well.
28:45
Speaker 2: In fact, Ukraine last month pushed back Russian troops. What's more,
28:50
Speaker 2: utterly humiliated Putin a week and a half ago. Every
28:53
Speaker 2: May nine, you see, Russia holds a Victory Day parade
28:56
Speaker 2: in Moscow to mark the victory of Anazi Germany, and
29:00
Speaker 2: Hooton normally uses it for huge propaganda purposes, to show
29:03
Speaker 2: up for Russia's military, mart missiles, tanks, the whole shebang.
29:07
Speaker 2: But this year he was so terrified that Ukraine might
29:11
Speaker 2: attack the parade with its drones which can now reach
29:14
Speaker 2: deep into Russia and kill him. That he demanded a
29:20
Speaker 2: cease fire just to hold this parade. Unfortunately, Trump backed
29:25
Speaker 2: this outrageous request, but it still gave Zelenski a huge
29:30
Speaker 2: pr win because this man, who supposedly has no cards
29:34
Speaker 2: to play, now very graciously and very publicly said I
29:39
Speaker 2: allow Russia's parade to go ahead. But Putin was still
29:43
Speaker 2: so scared and his army now so weak that no
29:45
Speaker 2: heavy weapons like missiles were shown. This year, the parade
29:50
Speaker 2: was cut in half to just forty five minutes, and
29:53
Speaker 2: Putin even cut his speech to a pathetic eight minutes
29:57
Speaker 2: before hurrying off to safety. It was so humiliating, and
30:02
Speaker 2: worse came yesterday. Yesterday Ukraine unleashed its biggest straine attack
30:08
Speaker 2: on Moscow in a year, hitting several targets around Putin's capital,
30:13
Speaker 2: including a military target, an all facility, and two oil
30:16
Speaker 2: pumping stations. And that's in response to a massive Russian
30:19
Speaker 2: attack last week a Ukraine's capital, joining Me's. The country's
30:23
Speaker 2: top foreign affairs rated Rig Sheridan of the Australian greg
30:27
Speaker 2: Great to see you again, Vladimir Putin is in trouble.
30:32
Speaker 1: Yes, Andrew, great to be with you.
30:34
Speaker 11: I think you're right. I think you're right about Trump too.
30:36
Speaker 11: It's grotesque the way he sucks up to murderous dictators
30:39
Speaker 11: like Vladimir Putin and Chi Jinping and then speaks with
30:43
Speaker 11: contempt and derision about democrats like Voladimir Zelenski. Now, if
30:48
Speaker 11: Western civilization lasts for another five hundred years, the Ukrainian
30:53
Speaker 11: battle against the Russians will be one of the most brilliant, shining, heroic,
30:59
Speaker 11: and inspir hiring episodes we've ever seen. And anyone in
31:03
Speaker 11: the world who values democracy or the Western inheritance one
31:08
Speaker 11: bit would be one hundred percent behind Zelensky and the
31:12
Speaker 11: brave Ukrainians. Now, nobody, myself included, not that I count
31:16
Speaker 11: for anything, but nobody thought the Ukrainians could do this
31:21
Speaker 11: what they've done. Imagine what they'd do if they had
31:24
Speaker 11: unequivocal American support. Trump really hasn't given them any support.
31:28
Speaker 1: For the last year.
31:29
Speaker 11: It's been Europe buying them weapons, and the Ukrainians, you know, innovating.
31:35
Speaker 11: Their use of asymmetric drone warfare has been brilliant, but
31:40
Speaker 11: also their performance in cyber warfare. We all thought Russia
31:44
Speaker 11: would wipe them out with cyber attacks. Now Ukraine needs
31:48
Speaker 11: to go on and win this, and they can. It
31:51
Speaker 11: would be tremendously helpful if Putin didn't think every minute
31:56
Speaker 11: that he was going to get a special leave pass
31:58
Speaker 11: from Trump and be given everything that he's always asked for.
32:03
Speaker 11: But you know, insofar as the rest of US have
32:05
Speaker 11: any say in this, you've just got to admire and.
32:08
Speaker 1: Support the Ukrainians.
32:11
Speaker 2: Well, it was interesting that I think Trump's Secretary of say,
32:14
Speaker 2: Marco Rubio, is very much a Ukrainian supporter, has held
32:18
Speaker 2: the line there, and I noted last week he said
32:20
Speaker 2: the Ukrainian army was now the strongest in Europe thanks
32:24
Speaker 2: to its innovation, it's new weapons that it itself is
32:27
Speaker 2: built from the ground and also through a sheer, bloody experience.
32:33
Speaker 2: But to the other war greg the one that he ran,
32:36
Speaker 2: there's been a ceasfar there for weeks. The US has
32:39
Speaker 2: used that cease far to strangle the Uranian economy with
32:43
Speaker 2: a naval blockade to stop around exporting US all above sea.
32:46
Speaker 2: It's costed billions, But the hardline is in Iran they
32:51
Speaker 2: don't care. They still refuse to give up the nuclear
32:53
Speaker 2: bump program or let foreign takers use the straight from
32:57
Speaker 2: mooz and Donald Trump's just had a phone call with Israels, Yeah,
33:01
Speaker 2: leading him to post this morning overnight for Iran, the
33:05
Speaker 2: clock is ticking. They better get moving fast or there
33:09
Speaker 2: won't be anything left to them. Time is of the essence.
33:13
Speaker 2: What's happening.
33:15
Speaker 11: Well, I actually don't think Trump achieves much with threats,
33:18
Speaker 11: but I think the rationale for taking military action against
33:23
Speaker 11: Iran was very strong, and so Trump, you know, basically
33:26
Speaker 11: did a very supportable, very defensible thing. But I think
33:29
Speaker 11: now he's got three options. He either escalates quite radically,
33:34
Speaker 11: which may indeed mean boots on the ground to knock
33:36
Speaker 11: out carg Island and to take control of the coastal
33:39
Speaker 11: bits of Iran where they can launch attacks on the tankers.
33:43
Speaker 11: Or he capitulates and goes home, or he just keeps on.
33:47
Speaker 1: With the status quo. The blockade.
33:49
Speaker 11: The blockade is in many ways the most effective thing
33:51
Speaker 11: the United States has done. One of the many mistakes
33:55
Speaker 11: the United States has made, in my view, is not
33:57
Speaker 11: to have imposed the blockade.
33:59
Speaker 1: From day one.
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Speaker 11: The block you know, for most of the period of
34:02
Speaker 11: the bombing campaign, the Americans let the Iranians trade their oil,
34:07
Speaker 11: and The Economist magazine reported that the Iranians are actually
34:10
Speaker 11: making twice as much out of oil during the bombing
34:14
Speaker 11: as they were before it, because the price went up,
34:16
Speaker 11: of course, because the other ships couldn't get out of.
34:18
Speaker 1: The Strait of Hormuz.
34:20
Speaker 11: How long Trump feels he can sustain the blockade because
34:24
Speaker 11: it does mean high gas prices, and the war is
34:26
Speaker 11: very unpopular within America, he hasn't explained it very well.
34:31
Speaker 11: Maybe he really has to bite the bullet and escalate
34:34
Speaker 11: if he believes, and there's a strong case for this,
34:37
Speaker 11: that nothing short of regime change solves the problem. If
34:41
Speaker 11: he capitulates, I think Iran stays in control of the
34:44
Speaker 11: Strait of Hormuz, and then you can make a case
34:46
Speaker 11: that they're even stronger despite all the damage they've sustained
34:50
Speaker 11: than they were before.
34:51
Speaker 1: The war began.
34:52
Speaker 11: So they're all very tough options, and I think, you know,
34:56
Speaker 11: the Americans have to make a decision, probably in the
34:58
Speaker 11: next couple of weeks.
35:01
Speaker 2: And I am pretty sure that Bennyminnettie, who was telling Trump,
35:04
Speaker 2: You've got to finish this. You can't leave with the
35:08
Speaker 2: job half done. Now coming back home. I was stunned
35:13
Speaker 2: to hear that education mister Jason Claire has had to
35:18
Speaker 2: step in and ban thirteen university projects evolving cooperation with
35:23
Speaker 2: hostile nations. Supposedly we believe, like China, on technology that
35:28
Speaker 2: countries like China could use for military purposes. In fact,
35:32
Speaker 2: there have been at least greg but unbelievable fifteen hundred
35:38
Speaker 2: joint research projects over the last decade involving scientists in
35:42
Speaker 2: Australia cooperating with scientists in Iran, in China, in Russia,
35:48
Speaker 2: in North Korea, all despotic regimes. Just how naive or
35:52
Speaker 2: reckless are our universities.
35:54
Speaker 11: Well, I hate to say this, Andrew, but this really
35:57
Speaker 11: convinces me of the grotesque irresponsibility of our university leadership.
36:02
Speaker 11: Really terrible, terrible irresponsibility. Also irresponsibility by the federal government
36:08
Speaker 11: to let this proceed.
36:10
Speaker 1: Now, Frankly, I mean the Vice sensor.
36:12
Speaker 11: They are all good people and so I wouldn't say
36:14
Speaker 11: anyth against some personally, but they have been so blinded
36:17
Speaker 11: by the dollars of international students and international research collaboration.
36:23
Speaker 11: I remember attending a dialogue in England a couple of
36:25
Speaker 11: years ago with a very senior British university leader and
36:29
Speaker 11: we're talking about the strategic challenge of China and he said, oh, well,
36:33
Speaker 11: you know, we find the Chinese very good to deal with.
36:36
Speaker 11: They pay their bills on time, they provide a lot
36:38
Speaker 11: of funding.
36:39
Speaker 1: Good grief.
36:39
Speaker 11: And his university was involved in joint research on artificial
36:44
Speaker 11: intelligence and its use in spotting incoming drones.
36:49
Speaker 1: Now you know, so good it could.
36:52
Speaker 11: Work out that that has military applications. Now we need
36:55
Speaker 11: a far more root and branch national security approach to
36:59
Speaker 11: these research collaborations. I mean, our domestic research is typically
37:03
Speaker 11: on why Australia is such a racist, colonial, sexist, terrible power,
37:08
Speaker 11: and our technical research typically involves collaboration with dictatorships who
37:14
Speaker 11: give us some easy financial terms. This is not a
37:17
Speaker 11: very good profile from the university sector and it needs
37:22
Speaker 11: big reform, big reform from the government and big reform
37:25
Speaker 11: from leadership within the universities themselves.
37:29
Speaker 2: I wonder what it is, you know, the universities you know,
37:33
Speaker 2: suffocating under self hatred of Australia, the absurd naivity or
37:40
Speaker 2: we mustn't judge others, it's all relative. Look what they're doing.
37:44
Speaker 2: I can't believe it. Greg Sheridan, thank you so much
37:46
Speaker 2: for your time. After the break a woman forced to
37:50
Speaker 2: pay a man for not treating her like a woman,
37:54
Speaker 2: but Lavis still refuses to change this insane labor law.
38:04
Speaker 2: I got to clarify something that was said earlier in
38:06
Speaker 2: the panel discussion about this discriptionary testamentary wills, that the
38:12
Speaker 2: tax wouldn't apply to wills already existing. That's only I
38:15
Speaker 2: think if someone's already dead and the will you know
38:20
Speaker 2: the discretion is being exercised, won't apply to them. But
38:23
Speaker 2: what about a will you've drawn up and you're not
38:27
Speaker 2: dead yet, Then I think it will apply when you
38:31
Speaker 2: do die and it becomes active. In that case, you
38:35
Speaker 2: would need to avoid this new tax to sell everything
38:38
Speaker 2: and start to draw up a new will or something.
38:41
Speaker 2: I don't know, in which case it does apply to
38:44
Speaker 2: a lot of people that have the will now, But
38:47
Speaker 2: aren't you dead, so it is a death tax now.
38:51
Speaker 2: One reason I think support for One Nation has exploded
38:55
Speaker 2: is that many a strands are just sick of the
38:57
Speaker 2: thought police, that whole woke bureaucracy telling you to shut up.
39:01
Speaker 2: For instance, last Friday at the Federal Court dismissed an
39:03
Speaker 2: appeal by sal Grover, head of a woman only chat site,
39:07
Speaker 2: and said.
39:07
Speaker 1: No, you're wrong.
39:08
Speaker 2: The law says a man who has had gender reassignment
39:10
Speaker 2: surgery can now be a woman if they say they are,
39:13
Speaker 2: and you can't disagree and discriminate against them. The court
39:17
Speaker 2: then agreed that Grover had broken the law by banning
39:20
Speaker 2: from a women cite this person. In my opinion, a
39:23
Speaker 2: man who identifies now as a woman called Roxanne Tickle,
39:26
Speaker 2: and Grover must not only allow Tickle onto a website,
39:29
Speaker 2: but pay twenty thousand dollars in conversation plus massive legal costs. Now,
39:34
Speaker 2: the judges did say, oh, don't blame us, You know,
39:37
Speaker 2: their jobs to deal with the laws that our politicians pass.
39:40
Speaker 2: In this case, change is made by the government of
39:42
Speaker 2: Julia Gillard, which removed the definition of a woman. The
39:45
Speaker 2: judge said, oh, the desirability or otherwise of that law
39:50
Speaker 2: is not a matter open to this court to consider, which,
39:53
Speaker 2: of course, is why it is good and essential that
39:55
Speaker 2: opposition leader Angus Taylor has promised now to change that law,
40:00
Speaker 2: but the Albin EASi government refuses. Labors still thinks a
40:05
Speaker 2: man can be a woman, overturning centuries of medical science,
40:11
Speaker 2: but That's not the only example of this oppression of
40:13
Speaker 2: the state forcing you to repeat what I consider as nonsense,
40:16
Speaker 2: or at least force you to stay silent still before
40:20
Speaker 2: the courts. Is For instance, Jasmine Sussex has been sued
40:24
Speaker 2: for criticizing men so they can breastfeed. In this case,
40:28
Speaker 2: she criticized the transgender woman or in my opinion, a
40:31
Speaker 2: man the one on the right in this picture, who
40:34
Speaker 2: claimed to have breastfed a baby born to his wife.
40:36
Speaker 2: So far, the court has dispissed Jasmine Sussex bid for
40:40
Speaker 2: information exactly what so called milk this man or transgender
40:45
Speaker 2: woman actually expressed. And there's more. Prominent psychiatrist Andrew Amos
40:50
Speaker 2: has now been suspended by the Royal Australian and New
40:53
Speaker 2: Zealand College of Psychiatrists and also banned from clinical contact
40:57
Speaker 2: with patients. But the regulator of her Australian doctors for
41:01
Speaker 2: arguing that mental illness that may be contributing to a
41:05
Speaker 2: person expressing belief that they are transgender is also worn
41:09
Speaker 2: that doctors who affirm what he calls gender delusions, like
41:12
Speaker 2: girls assisting they are boys, are liable for patient arms. Now,
41:18
Speaker 2: there's so much of this silencing now, I mean I
41:20
Speaker 2: myself fed two articles banned by a court in which
41:24
Speaker 2: I named people I said had a choice when they
41:27
Speaker 2: said they were Aboriginal. They had a choice given they
41:30
Speaker 2: actually had ancestors from other races as well. And indeed,
41:34
Speaker 2: the lead plaintiff in that case, How's an Aboriginal activist,
41:38
Speaker 2: turns out to have had not a single Aboriginal ancestor
41:41
Speaker 2: according to geological researchers.
41:44
Speaker 1: The records could be.
41:45
Speaker 2: Wrong, but they have been detailed at length that this
41:48
Speaker 2: book last year witnessed for the prosecution by Roger Karjes.
41:53
Speaker 2: So here again the stifling dissent, you know, this new
41:58
Speaker 2: identity politics, the scent against that this politics has now
42:03
Speaker 2: been pushed down our throats by the state. Join me
42:06
Speaker 2: a Lisa Godard, former foreign correspondent, founder of ad Oni Media.
42:09
Speaker 2: The Skyy's host Janika di Georgia. Lisa, is this woke,
42:13
Speaker 2: stifling a debate? Do you think one reason for this
42:17
Speaker 2: huge risi of support for one nation?
42:19
Speaker 8: Yeah, Andrew, I think you're right when you say people
42:21
Speaker 8: are feeling silentced. It's not to say that they're not
42:24
Speaker 8: thinking a certain way. They just think that if they
42:26
Speaker 8: say that out loud, and they use their inside voice
42:29
Speaker 8: on the outside, suddenly they'll become a social pariah or
42:32
Speaker 8: they'll be dragged through the courts and it's not acceptable anymore.
42:35
Speaker 8: And I think what they see and what we do
42:37
Speaker 8: see in Pauline Hanson, who is someone who will stand
42:39
Speaker 8: up there and say what she believes. And when you're
42:42
Speaker 8: talking about the Sex Discrimination Act, which is what this
42:44
Speaker 8: all comes back to. Remember in twenty twenty four, she
42:47
Speaker 8: stood up and she put a bill in. She wanted
42:49
Speaker 8: to try and change it back then, and Labor, the Greens,
42:52
Speaker 8: even Senator Jane Hume were against it back then. So
42:55
Speaker 8: I find this turn of events for the coalition over
42:57
Speaker 8: all the Liberparty very interesting because we're very much not
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Speaker 8: supporting it back in twenty twenty four. They had all
43:03
Speaker 8: those years in government where they could have done something
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Speaker 8: about it, and they didn't. And now suddenly we saw
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Speaker 8: Angus Taylor stand up on the night of that Pharo
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Speaker 8: byelection and say politics can't be about convenience, it has
43:13
Speaker 8: to be about conviction. Well, it seems to me the
43:15
Speaker 8: decisions around the Sex Discrimination Act now and how it's
43:18
Speaker 8: all about we know why a biological woman is seems
43:21
Speaker 8: to be more convenience than it does conviction, sadly.
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Speaker 2: Nicely put nicely put Denika that Tickle versus Gible case
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Speaker 2: I mentioned at the start. Harry Potter author JK. Rowling
43:33
Speaker 2: is tweeted that Western society is currently divided between people
43:37
Speaker 2: who know this is a man and are prepared to
43:40
Speaker 2: say so, and those who know this is a man
43:43
Speaker 2: but lie out of obedience through an ideology. There's no
43:47
Speaker 2: third option, she says, Literally nobody on Earth thinks Roxanne
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Speaker 2: Tickle is actually a woman. Well, I think a few
43:54
Speaker 2: ideaologs do, but there you go. Does she have a point?
43:57
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the silence that I'm talking about,
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Speaker 2: isn't it that a whole population has to shut up?
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Speaker 5: Andrew? She's absolutely spot on. And now we have a
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Speaker 5: situation in Australia where we don't know what a woman is,
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Speaker 5: and if you dare to even challenge that, you might
44:13
Speaker 5: get hauled in front of the courts, just like sald
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Speaker 5: Grover has done, and just like other women before who
44:18
Speaker 5: were forking out hundreds of thousands of dollars to try
44:21
Speaker 5: and explain what really is just a very simple biological reality.
44:26
Speaker 5: I mean, do not tell me that a man wearing
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Speaker 5: a dress, who enters a female only space claiming to
44:32
Speaker 5: be a woman is actually a woman when all you
44:35
Speaker 5: have to do is take a look at his very
44:36
Speaker 5: basic biology and realize that he does not have the
44:39
Speaker 5: pipes to do so. This was never a controversial issue.
44:42
Speaker 5: It has become a controversial issue by labor politicians, by
44:46
Speaker 5: the woke left. And why because they want to tell
44:49
Speaker 5: you how to think, what to think, and when to think.
44:52
Speaker 5: And we've seen a situation where this whole trans debate
44:55
Speaker 5: has been highly politicized. It never was politicized, but leaders
44:59
Speaker 5: have hopped on on board under the disguise of diversity
45:03
Speaker 5: and tolerance and that everybody is equal. And there are
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Speaker 5: many on the left who are equally as concerned about
45:11
Speaker 5: the fact that women's rights are being completely raised by
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Speaker 5: this ideological train into the never never.
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Speaker 9: And JK.
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Speaker 5: Rowling has been front and center of this from the beginning,
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Speaker 5: as has Cell Grover. But it should not take our
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Speaker 5: grover to go and try improve this in a court
45:28
Speaker 5: of law when, as you said at the start, it's
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Speaker 5: just a biological fact and it cannot be a raised.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's interesting, I mean, Lisa, you mentioned Angus
45:41
Speaker 2: Taylor saying, look, I'm now you know we're against We're
45:44
Speaker 2: going to change the law if we can get to power.
45:48
Speaker 2: It's interesting when you put a little pressure on the
45:51
Speaker 2: labor argument, suddenly people go to pieces because all we've
45:55
Speaker 2: heard so far, we haven't heard labor politicians say yes,
45:59
Speaker 2: you know, we really stand with conviction against this non
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Speaker 2: definition of a woman. All we've heard is from Attorney
46:06
Speaker 2: General Michelle Rowland, who lashed out wildly at Taylor, saying
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Speaker 2: five days after reforming budget focused on cost of living,
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Speaker 2: housing and medicare, the liberals are choosing to demonize migrants
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Speaker 2: and focus on this matter as hardly a defense of
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Speaker 2: the bizarre law that I know. You know, we've got
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Speaker 2: other things to talk about.
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Speaker 8: I mean, really well, I hate to tell them, but
46:28
Speaker 8: this matter matters to a whole lot of Australians. You
46:32
Speaker 8: ask any mum or any whether anyone has a young
46:34
Speaker 8: young daughter or a child has to go into a
46:37
Speaker 8: sporting arena where you've got girls and boys in there,
46:40
Speaker 8: and you've got boys who are identifying as girls. This
46:43
Speaker 8: matters to them. It matters to the dads who have
46:45
Speaker 8: got daughters out there in those sporting venues. But here's
46:48
Speaker 8: the thing right. So on Monday you have a National's
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Speaker 8: MP who will actually put a member's bill forward to
46:53
Speaker 8: say let's change the Sex Discrimination Act. So where are
46:57
Speaker 8: those female Labor MPs? Will they support it? This will
47:00
Speaker 8: be where the rubber hits the road for both the
47:03
Speaker 8: Liberal Party and for Labor because we know how the
47:05
Speaker 8: Greens will fall on this, so let's see where they vote.
47:07
Speaker 8: I'm pretty sure I know where one nation will fall
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Speaker 8: on it.
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Speaker 5: And can I just say as well as to Andrew
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Speaker 5: just at that point, sorry to interrupt as well. Don't
47:15
Speaker 5: forget that last year Alex Antik and Matt Canavan tried
47:19
Speaker 5: to introduce a bill into the Senate to restore the
47:22
Speaker 5: biological definitions in the Sex Discrimination Act and Labor shut
47:26
Speaker 5: down debate. They wouldn't even let them read out that bill,
47:29
Speaker 5: and the Minister for Women, Katie gallahurstaid it would be
47:31
Speaker 5: inappropriate for the Australian Government to be even talking about
47:34
Speaker 5: this in the Senate because it would cause harm. So
47:38
Speaker 5: they're never going they don't want to talk about it.
47:40
Speaker 5: They've already tried to shut it down once before, as
47:43
Speaker 5: if they're going to try and do it again, they
47:44
Speaker 5: will use their numbers to do so.
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Speaker 2: Well, Lisa Denika there raises the problem with trying to
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Speaker 2: get it up as a debate in the Parliament with
47:55
Speaker 2: the numbers against you, because this procedural ways that the
47:58
Speaker 2: debate can be stifled.
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Speaker 1: I was disappointed.
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Speaker 2: Look, unless I missed that, I went through transcripts of
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Speaker 2: radio and press conferences, ready interviews, a press conference as given.
48:07
Speaker 2: Since this decision came down, not one journalist asked him
48:10
Speaker 2: to his face to justify this law, because I think
48:13
Speaker 2: he'd be reluctant to do so.
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Speaker 1: Why is that, well he can't.
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Speaker 8: What does he say when you're asking what is a woman?
48:19
Speaker 8: He says, well, it's an adult female. That's the extent
48:23
Speaker 8: of any answer I've ever heard from our Prime minister
48:25
Speaker 8: about what a woman is. And I think you're right.
48:27
Speaker 8: I think it is on the press pack to start
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Speaker 8: asking all of these individual MPs what is a woman?
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Speaker 8: And will you stand by and will you vote for
48:35
Speaker 8: change to the Sextra Discrimination Act to have the definition
48:39
Speaker 8: of a woman biological woman put back in because that's
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Speaker 8: what we need. And then you won't see Cel Grover,
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Speaker 8: all the likes of Cel Grover having to be dragged
48:47
Speaker 8: through court and you won't see parents, you won't see women,
48:49
Speaker 8: you won't see men in this country too frightened to
48:52
Speaker 8: speak up, and as you said in the very beginning,
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Speaker 8: it silenced.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Lisa, got Danikodi, Georgie. Thank you very much to
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Speaker 2: you both.
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Speaker 1: That's it from me. Coming up next, Sherry Markson, good Night,