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Destroying Tom Shipley's Polygamy Logic and Laughing at Low Tier Thoughts | Saint K VS The Poly Pals - 4 · The Foreign Saint's Podcast

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  Everyone's a scholar till the scholar shows up.
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  Don't tell me that your first review title is what the serpent
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  said to Eve in the garden that kick started this whole
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  redemption saga of creation. This is what I'm talking about
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  earlier. And that's what evil will do.
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  Every single time it tries to use scripture to justify itself,
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  it will always kill itself upon arrival because it's using the
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  thing that's anathema to itself. Teaching the faith by making fun
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  of stuff. Sorry, Lutheran satire.
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  That's a really great tagline. I'm stealing it for today.
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  You are listening to foreign Saints.
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  All right, I'm saying, hey, joined by my partner in holy
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  crime and war, Christian Ashley of the Letting Up the Movie
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  podcast. Give him a round of applause,
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  everybody. Thank you.
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  And today, man, we've been, we've been putting in some work
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  today, man, I just did an episode on your show talking
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  about social justice and whatnot, man.
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  And this guy, what? Preach and preach, I tell you
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  what, man, he would, he would preach and preach.
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  And this man was in his bag, all right.
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  But today I have brought him in my other big dog to help me take
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  down this polygamous nonsense. Are you ready?
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  I have been waiting for this since you dropped the idea to me
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  and the conversation we had when we had that one failed recording
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  a while back and we just talked about all this nonsense.
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  It's like I'm ready to like ruin some fools tonight.
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  Like I'm not going to be holding back.
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  It's time to just lampoon the heck out of these morons.
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  So that's what it is tonight, man.
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  It's going to be real laid back audience.
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  I know that my usual vibe is scholarly, you know, trying to
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  give the best representation of people's arguments.
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  And I still will be doing that. But we're going to be, I'm going
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  to take you all behind the scenes into my YouTube studio.
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  You're going to see the numbers, you're going to see the
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  patterns, you're going to see the hypocrisy and the hilarities
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  in these people's comments and arguments.
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  And we're going to have fun by just dunking Christian Ashley's
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  seminary trained mind into the ignorance of my YouTube
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  comments, bro to see Am I tripping or are they tripping?
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  This'll be real. This'll be real fun.
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  This'll be real fun. Field trip, man.
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  Oh. Yeah, like I said, been looking
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  forward to this one for quite some time, especially after one
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  comment that was made on something we'll get to later on.
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  Like I have just been giggling. I told him earlier today just
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  remembering that one thing since we talked about it weeks ago
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  just randomly. Oh man, this is going to be so
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  much fun. Man, so I'm going to tell you
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  all right now, you guys are going to get so much out of this
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  if you've watched or at least looked at the comments section
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  in the previous videos in this playlist, OK, so you can kind of
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  catch up to the drama, all right, But here's how we're
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  going to do this, all right? I'm going to take you through
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  the comments Section 1 video at a time, except for one, but I'll
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  show you why that is and I'll just show you some of the
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  highlights along with some honorable mentions.
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  All right, so I I just want your honest reactions and what you're
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  on the spot counter argument would be and then like maybe
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  like your scholarly counter argument, I don't know, like so
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  you know, let's let's have some fun.
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  But before we jump in, I have said that you're a seminary
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  graduate for the purposes of clout.
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  All right, I'm gonna need you to tell the people what it is that
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  you actually went to school for what you have your education in,
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  my friend. I got a great education at the
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  Southern Baptist Theological Seminary up in Louisville, KY.
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  I spent three years there a little faster than normal to get
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  through classes under some of the wisest men I've ever studied
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  under through many different things, you know, counseling the
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  biblical text, so on, so forth, just to see why would I ever
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  want to care about telling people about this book?
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  And why does it matter what who God is?
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  Why do people I'm going to be talking with why I need them to
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  understand why they need to care about this?
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  And yeah, I can get that in the church.
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  But it's another thing to learn under the feet of some smarter
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  people than you, so that when it's your turn out in the field,
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  you're going to be a little better than you would be just on
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  your own. That's real talk.
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  That's real talk, man. You know my tradition, man.
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  Give us man 62nd Gospel presentation to get us started
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  in the hilarity. And so people know that you're
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  not a heretic if it's their first time meeting you.
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  Well, the gospel is of course the good news and the fact that
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  we have all sinned, we have all been separated from God due to
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  the actions we've made ourselves, starting with our no
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  mother and father, Adam and Eve, all the way down to us with
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  original sin being passed on to us as a as a race, as a people.
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  This applies to every single person.
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  And yet at that same time, the same God who created us in his
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  image gave us a way to accept salvation, to accept repentance.
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  Our repentance, as we go to the account of Jesus who died on the
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  cross on our behalf, was risen 3 days later so that we would no
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  longer have to suffer the sting of death.
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  Yeah, we still die, but at the end of the day, eternity is
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  ours. And that's something that He has
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  offered us of His own free will, something we have never once
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  earned, we will never earn. And yet was that free gift He
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  offers to everyone. And only those who say yes and
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  repent are those who actually accept it.
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  Amen, Amen. Amen.
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  All right, So let's let's go ahead and jump into the video
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  that started it all. All right, Polygyny pastors are
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  sons of Satan. Mike Winger challenged by Rich
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  Tidwell. OK, that is the video that
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  actually started off this entire thing.
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  I truly thought as I go and pull this up here that this video
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  would have been the only one I was going to make.
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  I figured I might need to make a follow up responding to some
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  comments and that's that's very true.
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  I definitely did. The reason I made this video is
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  because I saw a challenge where Polly pal Rich Tidwell was
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  challenging not just Mike Winger, but Annie Bible teacher
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  or content creator that consider themselves to be on the more
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  traditional side of this debate to respond to his position.
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  Now I'm a nobody, but I fit his definition.
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  So I was like, you know what man, Mike Wenger is busy taking
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  down heretics in Australia. So you know what I'll handle his
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  light work. All right, so I'll go ahead and
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  jump on this. I did not expect it to get this
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  fun. So let's look at some comments,
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  right? Google account, random letter
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  says there's a lot of mad people in these comments, brother, you
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  don't even know the half of it, OK.
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  And what I told him was when you get but see, see Christian, when
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  you get between a dog and his meat or a squirrel in his nut,
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  you might get bit. You might get bit.
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  Especially when they're rabid. Now Truman Freight this is where
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  the fun begins. Truman Freight 6055 This man is
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  still commenting under stuff but I'm under his skin.
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  Bro this is the first one of the first comments he gives me.
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  He says you are dead wrong. Matthew 19.
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  Matthew 19 is an argument against divorce, not polygyny.
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  That is isagesis by definition. In Matthew 19 verse 9, Christ
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  actually instructed people to follow Exodus 2110 by not
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  abandoning the first life and marrying a second.
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  Christ also said He would give his sons many wives in Matthew
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  1929. This is in fulfillment of Isaiah
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  4 verse one where Yahweh promised His servants many
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  wives. This is in line with what Christ
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  said to the prophet David through the prophet Nathan and
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  second Samuel 12 versus 7 to 8 and then Vic 2 point O down here
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  says well said Truman freight says thank you.
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  It's a bunch of self congratulatory nonsense down
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  here in the comments section. But Christian, Christian Ashley,
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  before I tell you my thoughts on this comment section and the
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  hypocrisy that follows, what what, what is your, what are
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  your instant reactions here? Well, I mean, I'm going to start
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  off kind of soft. You know, He, he's almost right.
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  Matthew 19 is to an extent against divorce, except for the
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  caveat that Jesus gives in there about sexual immorality, of
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  which of course polygyny, polygamy, polygamy and the like
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  would be a part of that. So sorry, brother, you're
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  misreading because I mean, let's just start off hot.
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  You just want to sin. You just want to sin and get
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  away with it and then pat yourselves on the back and say
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  I'm following God's will. Nowhere in any of this is Jesus
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  saying two or three or four or however many wives you want just
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  to justify your sin. Nose is no longer 2, but one
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  flesh. You know, I don't know, 2 sounds
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  like the highest number we get there.
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  You know, mathematicians, math isn't my, you know, specialty.
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  I always sucked at math but even I can do simple math like this
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  and I'm ashamed that he can't. Is is really tough man.
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  It's it's really tough, you know like and see this is this is the
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  problem right? We're we're having fun today,
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  but y'all going to learn something all right, People with
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  bad theology man like can't read bro.
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  And it's not that they're and it's like, it's not that they're
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  too dumb to read because that would be bullying the mentally
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  incapable. And we're Christians.
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  We wouldn't do that. But the problem here is mentally
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  capable people are choosing to be stupid.
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  Choosing to be dumb, bruh. Like, Matthew 19 is an argument
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  against divorce. Yeah, but if you really can't
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  see how what's set there applies, you're being
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  intentionally dense. Intentionally dense, you know.
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  Now this is where things get ridiculous.
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  As the second paragraph, Christ also said He would give His sons
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  many wives in Matthew 1929, and He says that is in fulfillment
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  of Isaiah 4 verse 1. So let's follow.
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  Let's follow his lead. All right, He says Matthew 1929.
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  So let's go ahead and come down here to Matthew 19 verse 29,
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  since that's what he specifically wants to hollow
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  out. Let's let's go ahead and hollow
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  it out here and highlight that in blue for you, big dog.
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  And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father
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  or mother or children or lands for my name's sake will receive
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  a hundredfold and will inherit eternal life.
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  This is Isaiah 4. First one he says.
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  But that verse in Matthew is a fulfillment of this.
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  And seven women shall take hold of one man in that day, saying,
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  we will eat our own bread and wear our own clothes only let us
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  be called by your name. Take away our.
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  Reproach. So what do you think?
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  What, what, what? What do you think, Christian?
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  Well, where I come from 2 + 2 = 4 and there is no correlation
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  here, especially when you read before this verse.
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  See, bro, see, This is why. This is why, Amen.
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  This is why I like having this guy on, OK?
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  Because we both said the same thing.
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  You, you, you, you can't be this dense, all right?
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  You, you can't be this dense. There's no way you went into a
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  comment section with real human beings and actually said Matthew
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  1929 is a fulfillment of Isaiah 4 verse one.
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  Ain't no way, bro. Ain't no way, bro, when the very
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  previous context says your men shall fall by the sword, and
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  your mighty men in battle. And her gate shall lament and
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  mourn empty, she shall sit on the ground, and seven women
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  shall take hold of one man in that day.
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  And what day? The day when your men fall by
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  the sword and the mighty men fall in battle.
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  Because when you track this all the way back, what you see at
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  the very beginning of this is that the day in question is a
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  day when the Lord God of hosts is taking away from Jerusalem
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  and from Judah, support and supply, bread and water, Mighty
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  man and soldier, judge and prophet, diviner and elder, He's
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  removing all of it away. And yet here in Matthew 19,
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  Jesus is talking about giving a bunch of stuff to his faithful
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  people for enduring persecution for the sake of the Gospel.
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  I don't think you could have found a more opposite context
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  verse in the Bible to quote. It's just so.
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  Silly is the wrong word. Stupid is the better word.
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  I one thing both of us are very big on when it comes to whatever
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  we're teaching on is we make sure you have context.
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  We don't quote verses just for the sake of saying dis aligns
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  with what I say. We also encourage you, hey, read
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  beyond what I quoted. That will help give you even
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  more context. You know, I'm limited by time or
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  something like that, especially, you know, preaching in front of
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  a stage. You can't go, OK, well, we got
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  to start in the beginning and then move on from there.
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  It's like, no, like you need to cut things down for time.
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  When you quote verses like this to justify a point like what's
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  being made here, your end goal is so obvious it's not even
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  funny. You want an intended effect, so
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  anything that sounds close to that effect you'll grasp at.
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  But it's always like Tantalus. You're going to be close, but
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  you're never going to touch it. You try and get down to the
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  water and drink it, it's going to go away because you have
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  nothing of substance. You will never be well fed or
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  well nourished by anything. When you're looking at Scripture
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  this way, it is foolishness at its height.
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  You don't even know what the actual punchline of this joke
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  actually is, right? Did you ever wonder to yourself
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  why he says Matthew specifically?
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  But it be because the other gospels don't go like this.
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  Gospel of Mark chapter 10, verses 29 to 30.
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  Go ahead and give that green highlighted section a read Big
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  Dog. Yeah, truly, I say to you, there
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  is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or
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  father or children or lands, for my sake and for the gospel, who
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  will not receive a hundredfold now in this time houses and
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  brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with
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  persecutions and in the age to come, eternal life.
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  Now, the reason that he quotes Matthew as a fulfillment of
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  Isaiah, which is already stupid, but the reason he quotes Matthew
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  is because of Matthew's vagueness compared to Mark.
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  See, Mark gives you a fuller quote.
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  Mark gives you the specificity of what Jesus said he's going to
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  replace, and nowhere in the gains do I see a spouse
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  mentioned. Not all forbid.
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  No, it's. Like it'd be out of character
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  for that to be there. And not crazy and not crazy.
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  I have this tick that I do when I'm playing strategy games and I
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  know that I've got to in checkmate.
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  But you don't know yet. Might eat a snack.
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  I'm eating a snack because I got y'all in checkmate.
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  See, I'm about to prove y'all are hypocrites right now, bro.
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  So he gives that that whole comment right, but if you slide
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  out, if you zoom out to the stats, you'll see over here I
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  can see views I can see comments right.
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  This is in chronological order from top down right.
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  This is the first video 367 views for me.
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  That's pretty awesome all right let's go ahead and let's go
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  ahead and cheer that up Let's go ahead and cheer that up all
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  right praise God, praise y'all all right for good teaching.
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  Going out 62 comments now in the follow up video that I made
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  pissed polygynous lie like Satan, you know because like
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  father like son right yes yes right.
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  What happens here? 21 views and 0 comments right
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  now. Maybe the first video was just
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  the one hit wonder. I I can abide by that.
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  I'm a small channel. I've only got 122 subscribers
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  and not all those subscribers watch regularly.
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  OK, I'm a small fish in a large ocean.
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  OK, I know exactly who I am. Do these people know who they
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  are? Probably not.
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  They deny their daddy. But.
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  But what I find interesting is everything that we just said, I
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  put in this video, I replied to his comment with another video
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  addressing all the points he said, save for one.
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  Doesn't answer it at all. Zero comments.
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  Maybe he watched it. There were 21 views.
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  Maybe he's among them, But he didn't comment.
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  But he didn't comment. But as we'll see, as we'll see,
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  he stuck around for the playlist.
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  He wanted to keep commenting. All right, so if we come to the
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  fourth episode in the series, come on down to our comment
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  section and hey, look at that Truman Freight 6055.
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  He's back. He doesn't want to address the
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  fact already debunked all of his arguments earlier, but he wants
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  to comment under later videos. What a freaking liar.
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  What a hypocrite. And what truthness about himself
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  and the comment he makes with the first sentence.
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  And what did I tell you when we was talking privately,
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  Christian, didn't I tell you these people are anti Semites?
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  Didn't I tell you even though they throw around even, and this
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  was before I had to even like Christian knows, you know, this
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  was before I had made any like extra follow up videos on this,
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  that night when our when our recording we tried to do didn't
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  work. I told you these people are
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  anti-Semitic. They just don't know it.
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  But if you press them on good doctrine, they'll reveal it.
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  They'll reveal it brother. And what happened right here?
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  You go ahead and read that big dog.
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  Well, yeah, this is a very rational comment.
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  Turning to the murderers of Christ to aid you in changing
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  the Bible. Pathetic.
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  Absolutely crazy, crazy. Christ, our model husband, is a
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  polygynist in Matthew 25, One to 13 and Revelation.
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  What? Now leave the audio on.
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  Let let them catch your laughter.
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  Let them catch it. I missed this one.
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  I don't know how, no. I'm kind of this.
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  Is heaven, Churches Are brides? OK, look, look, hands off the
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  Bible for a second. I've seen a lot of crazy things
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  about people that say about Revelation.
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  You know why? Because it's very open to
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  interpretation. That's kind of part of the
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  point. Go off, King.
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  Never in my life have I seen something as stupid as that.
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  The seven churches are the brides, 7 women.
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  You think the the bride, the church, the bride of Christ is
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  in any way supposed to be a way of how we're supposed to do
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  things? You are off your rocker.
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  We showed in that video Leviticus 1818 is an idiomatic
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  expression in Hebrew that most Bibles just translate literally,
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  but the idiom doesn't travel culturally.
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  So when you read Leviticus 1818, you think it means that
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  literally it's an idiom. It is indeed an idiom.
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  All right, so if I show you this, we're going to have fun
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  with this here too. Leviticus 1818 What's that
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  highlighted verse right there Say Christian and verse 18
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  right? And you should not take a woman
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  as a rival wife to her sister, uncovering her nakedness while
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  her sister is still alive. Again, if right, like if you're
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  just trying to be an honest Bible interpreter, that's all,
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  you understand why you come to the conclusion adjacent to these
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  fellows. Even if you did come to the
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  conclusion that this was allowing, this was allowing
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  polygamy, just not amongst related women, you still don't
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  necessarily have to go all the way into the Poly pal corner.
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  Because I certainly didn't. Because we have a new covenant.
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  Like heck are we doing? That's the unspoken part about
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  all this, but we'll get there. You know what I'm saying?
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  But here, here's the funny part, right?
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  If you go to Leviticus 1818 in Young's literal translation,
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  right? Which, colloquially at least, is
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  the translation I see people go to a lot when they want to be
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  like super serious about what the original language is said
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  and all that stuff. Look at how Young's renders it.
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  And a woman unto another Dao does not take to be an adversary
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  to uncover her nakedness beside her in her life.
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  Anything about a sister mentioned there in Young's
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  literal translation? Christian.
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  Not a word, not a word, not a word, right?
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  And this is the literal translation.
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  Why did they not translate it quote UN quote literally?
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  Because they understood as an idiomatic usage.
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  So to translate the idiomatic usage in a word for word fashion
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  would actually not be translating it literally.
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  Leviticus 1818 is one of those very rare examples where the
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  dynamic equivalent translation is actually a more faithful
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  rendering in the word for word because you're leaving the
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  original culture of the original language.
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  See that's. No arguments.
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  And This is why I eat another snack.
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  This, this. This is why, you know, see, we
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  actually have to do the work of, like, proving stuff, you know,
• 23:17
  they just get to say things. Yeah.
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  They don't have to like be true or nothing.
• 23:23
  Should be the other way around. When you make a claim, it is
• 23:26
  your job to support your claim. I've seen a lot of words being
• 23:30
  written down in these comments, but I didn't see anything
• 23:32
  rational. You know, it's crazy, man.
• 23:35
  There's some crazy work. It's a kind of paper.
• 23:38
  If someone wrote that, you know they'd fail the class.
• 23:41
  Now, now for some fun. All right, Truman Freight.
• 23:45
  He was the warm up. He was the warm up.
• 23:47
  But now for the real fun. All right, Saravo, Mr. Tom
• 23:56
  Shipley, I know who you are, even though you didn't want to.
• 23:59
  You didn't want to like, you know, put yourself out there as
• 24:02
  a published author. You know, like I said, maybe you
• 24:06
  maybe there's a misunderstanding.
• 24:07
  I didn't give you that. But it felt to me like you were
• 24:12
  trying to come in here like you were like a random Joe Schmo
• 24:15
  when you're like, you know, a pillar in this whole thought
• 24:19
  process, right? While I thought you were just
• 24:23
  the Joe smell. I really wasn't going to do much
• 24:25
  with you, to be honest, because I was getting kind of tired of
• 24:29
  engaging about something I consider to be such nonsense.
• 24:32
  It was only when I learned who you were.
• 24:34
  But I was like, oh, OK, let's have some fun.
• 24:38
  So I'm going to show you what he sent me.
• 24:40
  Here are four questions which I hope you will prayerfully
• 24:43
  meditate upon at length. I want you to remember that, by
• 24:47
  the way. I want you to remember what he
• 24:49
  initially asked of me to prayerfully meditate upon at
• 24:53
  length. It's very important you remember
• 24:55
  that specific phrase. Does polyandry multiple husbands
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  locally negate and violate male headship?
• 25:04
  Does polygamy, IE polygyny locally negate matriarchy?
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  Female headship? Would not polyandry affirm
• 25:10
  female headship? Does not polygyny embody the
• 25:14
  principle of patriarchy? Male headship?
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  What do you think of those questions, first of all?
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  I think it's someone who's trying to sound smart, asking a
• 25:21
  bunch of words that he knows just for the sake of sounding
• 25:24
  smart. Like, just to justify a point
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  he's making. Like, yeah, a lot's negated by
• 25:32
  what you're suggesting here. Certainly male headship
• 25:35
  according to the scripture, right?
• 25:38
  And definitely destroys the female perspective as well.
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  You know, and and that's where the circular nature of these
• 25:45
  arguments really begins to show themselves because when you
• 25:48
  actually stop to think about some of the questions, it's
• 25:50
  like, well, you'd be right if you're right, but aren't we
• 25:53
  debating whether or not you're right?
• 25:56
  Like isn't that, is that not the question that's being act like
• 26:00
  actually discussed right now? Yeah, right.
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  If polygamy polygyny is a logical affirmation of male
• 26:08
  headship, then the denial of the legitimacy of polygyny
• 26:12
  constitutes a denial of the legitimacy of male headship in
• 26:14
  marriage. Everything's in all caps.
• 26:16
  You have to give it some little flair there.
• 26:18
  Like more happen. It's like that.
• 26:19
  Like I said, you don't like I said, you can, you can, you can
• 26:21
  read, you can stop and you know, you can interrupt your own
• 26:25
  reading to comment on anything as you go.
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  Bro, we have no fun today. You know I come from a loud
• 26:31
  family and the general idea being who's who speaks loudest
• 26:36
  is right. That is not logical in any way
• 26:39
  shape or form. It just means you're louder.
• 26:41
  So even writing in all caps you're doing the same thing
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  which I have tended to see in my life comes from small minded
• 26:51
  people who wish they were bigger.
• 26:54
  Maybe I'm maybe I could be completely wrong about this.
• 26:56
  Maybe it is more moral character to you.
• 26:58
  But I've also seen your the comments, so I know better.
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  So like, you know, there's something about making a point.
• 27:03
  There's something that you could italicize something, you know,
• 27:06
  that's why we are encouraged to do if you really want emphasis
• 27:08
  on a word. But we're also told when you're
• 27:11
  writing something scholarly, I don't know if you've ever been
• 27:13
  taught not to put things in all caps, especially more than one
• 27:17
  word for emphasis. Like I kind of, you know, makes
• 27:21
  you look a little childish because that's how children
• 27:23
  react. They yell.
• 27:25
  So moving on. Moreover, if polygyny affirms
• 27:29
  male headship, then male headship must entail the
• 27:31
  legitimacy of polygyny, which is an assertion.
• 27:34
  I suppose polygyny is one of the modes.
• 27:37
  Question is me, what's the word I'm looking for here?
• 27:41
  This gracious finger air quotes by which the law of the
• 27:44
  patriarchy is expressed and manifested.
• 27:47
  IEI want multiple wives because it makes me feel like a man
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  versus what God tells me what a man is.
• 27:55
  It is no accident that the propaganda of feminism is almost
• 27:59
  always coupled with condemnation of polygyny.
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  I've got about 20 so-called biblical feminist books in my
• 28:06
  library. Air quotes used once again
• 28:08
  around biblical feminist, as if such a thing as an oxymoron when
• 28:11
  used correctly. And yet somehow we've become the
• 28:15
  the woke liberals in this regard.
• 28:18
  Now we say anything about biblical feminism.
• 28:22
  By the way, you should on that note, you should totally check
• 28:25
  out Let Nothing Move You episode in in in judges.
• 28:31
  We have a little something to say about stuff like that.
• 28:32
  You should totally check it out. I feel like as we were doing
• 28:36
  that episode, I was really thinking I was like, man, you
• 28:38
  know, the Polly Pals would hate this.
• 28:39
  Oh my gosh, they're defending a woman?
• 28:42
  Oh, how dare they, How dare they, how dare they look at a
• 28:44
  creature created in the image of God and give her the respect she
• 28:47
  deserves. Just makes me sick.
• 28:51
  I don't have AI, don't have a vomiting button on my sound
• 28:54
  border. I'd use it all right.
• 28:56
  Let's see biblical feminism. The feminists understand that
• 29:01
  there is an inexorable logical flow from patriarchy to
• 29:04
  polygyny. They get it.
• 29:06
  In assailing the institution of biblical polygyny, the feminists
• 29:10
  are logically repudiating patriarchy.
• 29:13
  In this regard, feminists are more logically consistent than
• 29:16
  orthodox evangelicals. Be like, listen, man, this is
• 29:21
  where, this is where me personally, I'm like, you're
• 29:23
  throwing around a lot of labels, guy.
• 29:25
  I'm, I'm just a guy. Like, you know, I've got some
• 29:30
  smart people in my corner, but like, I'm just a guy.
• 29:33
  And also, whenever I see feminists railing online,
• 29:36
  they're usually railing against the institution of monogamous
• 29:40
  marriage too. Uh huh.
• 29:43
  I mean I and it makes sense that a feminist would hate polygyny
• 29:47
  like that. That makes sense.
• 29:48
  I've just never seen it. I guess they would see it
• 29:51
  because they are polygynous. So if they ever encountered A
• 29:54
  feminist I guess they would rail against them.
• 29:56
  But. You know, it's like when you
• 29:58
  he's. Talking as if the feminists like
• 30:01
  the nuclear family bro. Go read the BLM manifesto and
• 30:05
  see what they think about the nuclear family bro.
• 30:09
  And it's like when you buy a car and suddenly you start noticing
• 30:12
  that same, you know, type and model and color everywhere you
• 30:14
  drive around. I think that's that's kind of
• 30:17
  what's happening here. It's like, oh, because I'm
• 30:19
  focused on this idea, I see it more often.
• 30:23
  OK, here we go. It is an unfortunate fact, but a
• 30:29
  fact nonetheless, with no citation offered, that the
• 30:33
  evangelical church engages in a counter offensive against
• 30:37
  biblical, yeah, right, feminism with a major inherent logical
• 30:42
  concession to feminism by its repudiation of polygyny.
• 30:50
  So the evangelical church, well known for its liberal views on
• 30:56
  marriage and the like, sure is just like biblical feminists.
• 31:00
  Sure, sure. Or.
• 31:02
  Just feminism in general. Right.
• 31:04
  Sure, OK, It's known in the Bible there are numerous
• 31:10
  examples of men with multiple wives, but no examples of women
• 31:13
  with multiple husbands. Why?
• 31:15
  Why? What is the distinction?
• 31:17
  Upon what principle? This difference can be accounted
• 31:21
  for only on the basis of the lawful hierarchy of the biblical
• 31:25
  family. Polygyny could exist in Israel
• 31:28
  because polygyny is consistent with divinely ordained
• 31:32
  patriarchy. All that's a circle, by the way.
• 31:36
  Like for those of y'all that aren't like philosophy heads
• 31:40
  because there's no citation. That's what makes it a circle,
• 31:45
  right? Like even if like if he gave a
• 31:47
  citation and the citation was wrong, I would say his logic is
• 31:51
  wrong. But I wouldn't call the circular
• 31:53
  because he went outside of himself to prove something.
• 31:55
  He said he hasn't done that here.
• 31:58
  I mean, he thinks he has. He thinks he has.
• 32:02
  By mentioning that there are multiple men in the Bible who
• 32:04
  have multiple wives, but he's also forgetting the context.
• 32:07
  You know, that important crucial part that you know he doesn't
• 32:10
  care about? Where every single time this
• 32:13
  happens it causes problems. Problems or was the result of a
• 32:18
  problem? Because it's not God's designed
• 32:21
  for marriage. Crazy, crazy work.
• 32:27
  Why was there no polyandry in Israel?
• 32:30
  This also is explained by the biblically ordained family
• 32:33
  hierarchy. Polyandry could not exist in
• 32:35
  Israel because polyandry logically negates male headship.
• 32:41
  I'm lost bro. The the evangelical church has
• 32:47
  not come to terms with the juggernaut force of this logic,
• 32:50
  and until it does so, we'll continue to lose the cultural
• 32:52
  war with feminism. So we're losing the cultural war
• 32:55
  as church attendance goes up. Not not that I'm saying that
• 32:58
  like church attendance is like the end all be all of spiritual
• 33:01
  rejuvenation. But if you do have spiritual
• 33:04
  rejuvenation, you will have an increase of church attendance.
• 33:07
  So I got your. Response to them.
• 33:14
  Like oh look, I won't even lie bro.
• 33:20
  This first response my my first response here are these
• 33:24
  questions for me or someone else?
• 33:26
  I truly couldn't tell. Like I wasn't even trying to be
• 33:29
  funny here dog. I just was really like he could
• 33:32
  be arguing for me or against me right now.
• 33:35
  Like, like, because these questions confuse me.
• 33:39
  Like, I thought about it. I thought about it, right?
• 33:42
  And I actually, I, I have another Google doc here where I,
• 33:46
  I had the answers and I was beginning.
• 33:49
  But what came out of that was episode 3 where I just called
• 33:51
  him a lying son of the devil because of how he used
• 33:57
  scholarship, but then tried to like, act like he didn't try to
• 34:00
  use scholarship. And it, like, we'll get to it.
• 34:03
  We'll get to it. Yeah, listen bro, I really
• 34:06
  thought about it. The answer to questions 1-2 and
• 34:08
  three is the same answer and this is the answer.
• 34:11
  Not necessarily. It would depend on the
• 34:14
  overarching societal structure the polyandry slash polygamy is
• 34:19
  attached to. And this polyandry multiple
• 34:21
  husbands logic can negate and violate male headship.
• 34:23
  Not necessarily. It would depend on the
• 34:26
  overarching societal structure the polyandry is attached to.
• 34:30
  Does polygamy, IE polygyny locally negate matriarchy female
• 34:34
  headship? Not necessarily.
• 34:35
  It would depend on the overarching societal structure
• 34:38
  the polygamy is attached to. Would not polyandry a firm
• 34:42
  female headship? Not necessarily.
• 34:45
  It would depend on the overarching societal structure
• 34:47
  the polyandry is attached to, because this is a circle.
• 34:55
  That's why that one answer works for those 3 questions.
• 35:00
  Have you ever met that really infuriating person who's taken 1
• 35:04
  philosophy class in college or read one book by one guy or gal
• 35:10
  and then that's who they become and they they word things on
• 35:14
  like an A Cohen or an ice cream Cohen would be the more funny
• 35:19
  way of putting it. Just to like, sound smart or
• 35:22
  sound like they're making actual questions that should challenge
• 35:25
  your worldview. Yeah, well, this is 1.
• 35:30
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Familiar with at the.
• 35:33
  End of the day, they're revealed just to be hollow and empty, a
• 35:37
  shell of a person because they want to feel a certain way and
• 35:40
  therefore they rather confuse you than speak truth.
• 35:44
  Like is, is is tough man, you know?
• 35:46
  And then his fourth question here, does not polygyny embody
• 35:49
  the principle of patriarchy, male headship?
• 35:52
  For those that are wondering, my answer to that question was it
• 35:55
  can, but that wouldn't necessarily exclude monogamy
• 35:59
  from embodying the principle of patriarchy and male headship
• 36:02
  either. See, it's almost as if none of
• 36:06
  these questions mean anything and we should actually have a
• 36:08
  conversation about what the scripture says.
• 36:12
  You're the authority. Like like what are we now again
• 36:16
  remember what I told you to remember prayerfully meditate
• 36:20
  upon at length yes, don't forget that don't forget that now, so I
• 36:25
  say, are these questions for me someone else?
• 36:27
  Yes for you, as well as my other comments.
• 36:29
  Thank you. So again, I also want you to
• 36:31
  notice the tone we open up conversational, nice polite.
• 36:37
  He he's all prim proper put together right.
• 36:40
  This guy's a published author. He doesn't want to tell me that
• 36:42
  right now for some reason. Maybe he thinks I know his
• 36:48
  username is connected to his name.
• 36:50
  I don't know that and he doesn't offer it.
• 36:55
  Have you seen my follow up video to this one?
• 36:57
  Yes. OK, I was nice.
• 37:00
  You might be the only tolerable polygynous in my comment section
• 37:03
  so far, but this is where he shows himself to be a liar.
• 37:07
  Would you be OK with me making a response video to this in time?
• 37:14
  Remember what he said. Remember what he said.
• 37:16
  Carefully, prayerfully meditate upon at length.
• 37:20
  That is what he initially asked me to do.
• 37:22
  And so when I asked him, would you be OK with me, you know,
• 37:25
  doing that? Just to clarify purposes here.
• 37:29
  Do you read it, Christian? That's a little too impersonal
• 37:35
  and evasive and suggesting you really haven't searched the
• 37:37
  scriptures on this issue. Sure, no problem with you making
• 37:40
  another video, but I appreciate a more immediate and direct
• 37:42
  response which directly contradicts everything I said
• 37:45
  before. But I'm not going to type that
• 37:46
  out. And that's not what's actually
• 37:47
  said that I'm just commentating. The second he said that I was
• 37:50
  like Dang bro, I guess I still don't have a tolerable
• 37:53
  polygynous in my comments section you little liar.
• 37:58
  And by the way, folks, the reason I didn't do that, I'll
• 38:02
  tell you the first reason, like the true reason for why.
• 38:05
  But what was happening in my life, I was being dragged
• 38:07
  through the ringer by LGBTQ medical boss of mine that wanted
• 38:15
  to accuse me of malpractice and try to get my license taken away
• 38:18
  at the state level because I don't know, he doesn't like the
• 38:21
  fact that I'm a Christian or whatever and try to get rid of
• 38:24
  me on trumped up charges. So I took the case to the state
• 38:27
  medical board and they all unanimously sided with me in the
• 38:31
  issue against him that that's what I was doing.
• 38:34
  I was I was literally suffering persecution for the name of
• 38:38
  Christ When this guy wants to come into my comments and be
• 38:42
  like, you know what, bump whatever else is going on in
• 38:46
  your life, reply to me and do it quick.
• 38:50
  But you know I'm not that easy to bully so you literally asked
• 38:56
  that I would prayerfully meditate on the questions you
• 38:58
  asked but now the response has to be immediate and not in video
• 39:01
  form. That don't make sense to me bro.
• 39:03
  I don't see the problem with taking time to consider your
• 39:05
  argument. Look up the context behind each
• 39:07
  of the scholars you coded and reread the scripture.
• 39:09
  My 2 videos on this suffice to give you my opinion.
• 39:12
  Now I have some other videos on my Matthew playlist, Q&A
• 39:15
  playlist, homosexuality playlist, and transgender
• 39:17
  playlist that all at least give my base view on marriage
• 39:20
  theology, so it's not like you're completely devoid of
• 39:22
  resources. Resources, if you're that
• 39:24
  curious. My immediate response is going
• 39:27
  to be a little more. There's going to be a little
• 39:29
  more than a restatement of things that are already in video
• 39:32
  scattered across the channel. And then that's when my snark
• 39:35
  really came out. YouTube gives everyone the
• 39:38
  ability to think about and measure their words before
• 39:42
  posting them. It's an advantage I think
• 39:44
  everyone should take, and I won't forfeit it when I see no
• 39:47
  reason to see. Those are what we call a
• 39:51
  Christian. Those is what we call fighting
• 39:54
  words. So be it.
• 39:55
  Looking forward to your response in the near future.
• 39:59
  And then the comments again. So what's the?
• 40:03
  What's the reasonable? Amount of time that's going to
• 40:07
  be based on what I have going on in my life, not necessarily your
• 40:09
  desire for a response, you know. And as I said, I told you
• 40:14
  everything that was going on my life at the time.
• 40:16
  I let him know about all that. Your request isn't forgotten,
• 40:21
  more like on a conveyor belt. Don't get the wrong ID either.
• 40:24
  For a channel like mine that's so tiny and unknown.
• 40:26
  I am honored, for lack of a better word, that you value my
• 40:29
  input enough to follow up and ask again.
• 40:31
  Keep in mind I did not know this dude was a published author when
• 40:34
  I said that, but looking back that is amazing that I did say
• 40:38
  that. That is absolutely incredible to
• 40:41
  me bro. Fair enough.
• 40:45
  Believe me, I know what busy means.
• 40:47
  Seasons of life. Been there, done that.
• 40:50
  I'm not impressed with size of ministry or number of followers.
• 40:53
  What I am impressed with is fidelity to scripture.
• 40:58
  I sense that this is what you want to do.
• 41:01
  That is the reason I've persisted with you more than I
• 41:03
  usually do. I almost never do this kind of
• 41:06
  follow up. You're very special to me.
• 41:08
  I didn't say that, I said that. Gee, thanks Satan.
• 41:13
  I know you haven't come to the realization yet.
• 41:15
  You poor pitiful human being. You didn't say that either, and
• 41:18
  maybe you never will because you're stupid and I think you
• 41:21
  are. Also, you didn't say that part,
• 41:22
  but you're on the losing side of this particular issue because
• 41:25
  I'm more smarter and better than you.
• 41:27
  He also didn't say that this issue is going to test your
• 41:30
  integrity and commitment to scripture as the word of God.
• 41:33
  Probably like no other issue. I pray that the Lord prospers
• 41:36
  your way. Look at this man.
• 41:38
  Look at this. You can see the setup for DARVO
• 41:41
  happening here even though he hasn't done it yet as you can
• 41:44
  see it. Well, we haven't gone through
• 41:47
  that on this side of things. You might want to explain it to
• 41:49
  people. Oh man hilarious.
• 41:52
  Not in this playlist, I haven't, but it's an acronym for abusers.
• 41:57
  Deny the accusation of being a problem, accuse the person of
• 42:01
  being the actual problem, and then you reverse the true victim
• 42:05
  and offender to make yourself the victim.
• 42:07
  He hasn't done that yet, but when you see this stuff happen
• 42:13
  and when you've been on the receiving end of as much abuse
• 42:15
  as I have, you begin to really see the warning signs and the
• 42:19
  flags a few miles out from the exit.
• 42:22
  You know, absolutely crazy. But it is funny to me looking
• 42:26
  back, you know, I'm not impressed with the size of
• 42:30
  ministry or number of followers. What I am impressed with this
• 42:33
  fidelity to Scripture. You want to know who else would
• 42:36
  say that, Christian? Our Lord Jesus.
• 42:38
  But you want to know who else else would say that?
• 42:42
  Oh, who else? Satan.
• 42:47
  Satan. That possibly be.
• 42:49
  Satan is not that impressed with the size of your ministry and
• 42:52
  the number of followers because he knows he can knock you off
• 42:55
  course with either one of those. But if you're faithful and
• 42:57
  fidelis to scripture, Satan knows at any point Jesus could
• 43:01
  just use you to just wreck his whole Kingdom one day.
• 43:05
  Any old faithful Joe Schmo could be the next problem for Satan.
• 43:13
  So no matter how big or small your ministry is, if you're
• 43:16
  faithful to the word, Satan has you want to list.
• 43:21
  And he's got to watch against your soul and against your works
• 43:25
  to be like, hey, at any point that the Holy Spirit seems to be
• 43:28
  wanting to use this person, I'm going to make a move against
• 43:31
  them to try to knock him off course.
• 43:34
  This is not one of his strongest gambit, but I see it, you know,
• 43:42
  I sense that that is what you want to do and that is the
• 43:46
  reason I've persisted with you more than I usually do.
• 43:49
  I almost never do this kind of follow up.
• 43:51
  And I'm just telling you, Christian, as a friend of mine
• 43:54
  who has seen the events in my life, is this not completely in
• 43:58
  line that after everything you've seen me go through my
• 44:01
  personal life, some false teacher at the end of that is
• 44:05
  like, you know, you're a really faithful guy to the word.
• 44:08
  Let's test that. This is I couldn't help but feel
• 44:14
  that you're absolutely right, number one, from everything
• 44:17
  you've had to go through. And I'm thinking of some of the
• 44:20
  things that have happened to me. This is kind of the perfect
• 44:22
  example of nagging in that let me let me compliment you a
• 44:28
  little bit, but it's a backhanded compliment.
• 44:30
  So that I get you thinking that I'm on your side.
• 44:33
  But really, as revealed in the last paragraph, I think you're
• 44:37
  an idiot because you don't think the way that I do because you,
• 44:42
  you haven't been enlightened like I am like you poor simple
• 44:46
  fool. That's why I was making the
• 44:47
  snide comments. I was because that's the hidden
• 44:49
  layer behind everything that was being said there.
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  And I can say that, and it'd be true because I've met this man
• 44:55
  not in person, but with other people in my life who said the
• 44:58
  exact same thing in different ways, trying to thinking that
• 45:04
  they're building me up, quoting scripture, quoting whatever they
• 45:07
  want, thinking themselves righteous, and at that same time
• 45:11
  doing nothing but stripping me away from the Lord.
• 45:14
  See, I told you, Christian, I was going to give you a rundown
• 45:16
  in polemics, the apologetics assumes that both people have
• 45:20
  some sort of logical basis, right?
• 45:22
  Polemics. Nah, bro, you're, you're wading
• 45:25
  into the murky waters, the weeds, the swamps.
• 45:28
  These people ain't honest. You got to call it out
• 45:32
  eventually, you know, So we have our, we have our back and forth
• 45:38
  and all this other stuff. It's fun.
• 45:41
  The comments are there, you can look at them, but this one's
• 45:44
  interesting to me. I still don't know what he means
• 45:46
  by this, by the way. Just use it.
• 45:48
  Just saying stuff. Well, as I think I made clear,
• 45:52
  which I didn't, I believe patriarchy was the original
• 45:55
  design, the primordial principle, and just as inclusive
• 45:59
  of polygyny as monogamy. And the new covenant continues
• 46:02
  marriage law without any alteration, even though the law
• 46:05
  was fulfilled and that should be part of it.
• 46:07
  He didn't say that last part. The Primordial principle did.
• 46:14
  We just want to use alliteration to sound smart.
• 46:17
  Like like like what are we talking about bro?
• 46:19
  Like have you read Genesis beginning?
• 46:22
  Is there a primordial age in Genesis?
• 46:24
  I missed it was. Did I misread my Scripture that
• 46:28
  Jesus quotes, by the way, in Matthew 19 about how a man will
• 46:32
  leave his family to be with his wife?
• 46:34
  Singular? I miss something.
• 46:36
  Maybe my Bible's just poorly translated and I need your New
• 46:38
  World translation or whatever passes for scripture in your
• 46:41
  book. Mm hmm, see, and I call him out
• 46:44
  on it without alteration is where I feel people are being
• 46:47
  dishonest with the text. But you've heard my thoughts on
• 46:49
  that at least twice now. If you listen.
• 46:52
  And if you listen and again, he's still bugging me about the
• 46:56
  video. But by the way, guys, at the
• 46:58
  time he commented this, I still was in the middle of like
• 47:02
  litigating that whole issue. By the way, I still had yet to
• 47:07
  like appear before the board with my lawyer and like argue
• 47:10
  the case and show the evidence and bring like, bruh, I'm
• 47:14
  fighting for my Dang medical license.
• 47:16
  I don't have time for you. I'm I'm dealing with this.
• 47:20
  I'm dealing with this other, much more impressive attack from
• 47:24
  Satan over here. Once one more structured, one
• 47:28
  more thought out. Like, what are we doing, bruh?
• 47:35
  So yeah, you know, like I, we, we, we box a little bit going
• 47:40
  back and forth on the scholars and stuff.
• 47:44
  I won't take the I'm not going to take the Thunder away from
• 47:47
  video 3IN this playlist, I was, I was on a roll, man.
• 47:52
  I was on a roll. But this is interesting.
• 47:59
  I cited 1 fact from Adams scholarship, which is that the
• 48:02
  phrase MIAs gunaikos Andra is an unusual construction.
• 48:08
  I take Adams at his word on that as a scholar of New Testament
• 48:12
  Greek, that fact stands on its own 2 feet and should inform our
• 48:15
  exegesis of the subject. How was that handling his
• 48:18
  scholarship? Very dishonestly.
• 48:20
  I started the fact he provided, and provided my own view of the
• 48:23
  significance of that fact. And am I somehow required to
• 48:26
  bypass its significance like the commentators I criticized for
• 48:30
  doing so? I'll check out your video when I
• 48:32
  get a chance, but your comment here is just unsupported ad
• 48:36
  hominem. Listen, like I'll let you have
• 48:38
  that. I don't even mind.
• 48:39
  You can call it ad hominem all you want to prove me wrong,
• 48:44
  prove me wrong. See, the problem is you remember
• 48:46
  that Christian, he cited this guy, but he cited him in a way
• 48:52
  that any, like untrained layperson would think that that
• 48:56
  means the guy he quoted agrees with them.
• 48:59
  Yes, I've read enough scholarship to know the way he
• 49:03
  quoted Adams is not how you quote a scholar when you're
• 49:06
  trying to say this scholar doesn't agree with me, but he
• 49:09
  says this, and that's useful for my argument because when you do
• 49:12
  that, you would say what I did. We call what happened there on
• 49:17
  his side of things unethical. Unethical, you know, and then
• 49:21
  he's mad that I caught it. If you type in Tom Shipley's
• 49:24
  name into Amazon, he actually is a lot more published than just
• 49:28
  this. He's got quite a few books.
• 49:30
  As you can see, it's a doctrinal manifesto.
• 49:33
  Its aim and purpose is to produce what many modern writers
• 49:36
  are fond of referring to as a paradigm shift.
• 49:40
  The goal is to lay the foundation for the establishment
• 49:43
  of a truly biblical social order, especially within the
• 49:46
  community of Bible believing Christ, honoring families.
• 49:51
  This work is vulnerable to being misperceived as a work primarily
• 49:55
  about polygamy, since the bulk of the exposition centers around
• 49:57
  that subject. See, listen to this guy, bro.
• 50:00
  Listen to this guy. Even in his own book
• 50:04
  description. Yes, I know that that's kind of
• 50:07
  all I'm talking about in the book.
• 50:08
  But don't make the mistake of thinking that's all I'm talking
• 50:11
  about in the book, guys. Even though that's why I'm doing
• 50:13
  it, Dan. What are we doing, Dan?
• 50:22
  We're not done, people. What are we doing, bro?
• 50:27
  This is the guy that's in my comment section, bro, I'll tell
• 50:30
  you how I know that in a second, but this is the guy.
• 50:35
  This is Saravo. And it's like when I learned
• 50:38
  this and I saw how because he's written way more books than
• 50:41
  this. But when I saw the amount of
• 50:43
  books he's written on this topic, all on this topic or
• 50:45
  almost all on this topic, it's like, why would you not
• 50:48
  introduce yourself as a public? Like why wait?
• 50:53
  Why are you? Why are you slumming it?
• 50:56
  Why are you slumming it in the comments section of a YouTube
• 50:59
  channel that only has 123 subscribers as of the recording
• 51:04
  of this video? Use a little sock puppet account
• 51:07
  for this. I had I had less at the time
• 51:09
  that all this started. I gained like I gained 5
• 51:12
  subscribers during this drama, so I was even.
• 51:14
  I had even less before all this time.
• 51:17
  Why are you here? And more to the point, why are
• 51:21
  you losing since? Since clearly you're the scholar
• 51:29
  on the subject. Clearly, you're the scholar.
• 51:31
  This. What are I mean?
• 51:33
  I just can't get over that. This work is vulnerable to being
• 51:36
  misperceived as work primarily about polygamy, since the bulk
• 51:39
  of the exposition centers around that subject.
• 51:41
  But read carefully, note the flow of the argumentation.
• 51:45
  The biblical exposition on polygamy here serves as a
• 51:47
  supporting role for the fundamental proposition of God
• 51:50
  ordained and mandated patriarchy.
• 51:52
  You might call it a primordial principle.
• 51:55
  You might. Absolutely crazy bro.
• 51:59
  In terms of this thesis, it's a secondary and subsidiary point,
• 52:03
  which is not to say that it is not important as a subject in
• 52:06
  its own right. What are you saying, big dog?
• 52:09
  I I want polygamy to be what this is about but I can't say
• 52:12
  that because then I sound like a bad person.
• 52:15
  So instead I'm going to mask myself behind God as any capable
• 52:19
  person would do in my situation to make my point.
• 52:22
  Even though my main point is I want more than one woman because
• 52:25
  I'm a sex fiend. Like, what are we doing, bro?
• 52:28
  4.9 stars, bro. Crazy.
• 52:30
  But I think this is the one that you wanted to see.
• 52:33
  Where? Please, please, please show it.
• 52:35
  Let me see. Yeah, Yeah.
• 52:37
  Right here. Top review.
• 52:38
  Has God really said I told you, bro?
• 52:42
  I, I told you, man. What?
• 52:46
  I promise. I deliver, bro.
• 52:50
  Don't tell me that your first review title is what the serpent
• 52:55
  said to Eve in the garden that kick started this whole
• 52:59
  redemption saga of creation. This is what I was talking about
• 53:04
  earlier guys. I.
• 53:06
  When we were doing this on that failed recording, which is one
• 53:09
  of the best thing that's ever happened, we, we were going
• 53:13
  through all this nonsense and he's going through reviews and
• 53:15
  I'm not seeing what he's seeing and he's saying this off to me
• 53:18
  and I died, died laughing way more than I just did right now.
• 53:21
  Because this fool has the audacity, the sheer goal to
• 53:31
  title his review. Has God really said?
• 53:37
  Like he's cooking. Like he has a point to make,
• 53:41
  like he's on the right side of history and theology when where
• 53:46
  we're going to go all the way back to the marriage stuff.
• 53:49
  First man and woman, who by the way, only had each other, you
• 53:53
  know, it's his own separate thing.
• 53:55
  The serpent, the fire of God's will, Satan in Serpentine form.
• 54:02
  Look up the other Scripture that supports that.
• 54:05
  Ask the question, Eat that God, really say.
• 54:09
  And then you wonder why I laughed as hard as I did and why
• 54:13
  randomly, since the two weeks where that first happened, in
• 54:17
  the midst of nothing else going on, I will remember that quote
• 54:20
  and I will almost end up on the floor in tears.
• 54:24
  This person and people like this have no sense of self-awareness
• 54:32
  and it's sad. And in order to combat the the
• 54:35
  sadness I feel, I have to laugh. Kaiju #22 another guy that I had
• 54:41
  refuted and if you go to his YouTube channel, he self
• 54:44
  identifies as Christian polygynist.
• 54:45
  So I'm like bro, like where are these guys coming from bro?
• 54:49
  And I don't know bro, but for whatever reason Jesus Christ has
• 54:54
  seen fit to have you all show up on my BBQ bro.
• 54:59
  So yeah, go ahead and give. Go ahead and give Kaiju's
• 55:02
  comment here a read bro. If polygynous pastors are sons
• 55:07
  of Satan as you claim to be, that would mean all of the
• 55:11
  patriarchal men of the Bible who wrote scripture would be as
• 55:14
  well. You clearly have no idea what
• 55:16
  you're talking about. Shaking my head.
• 55:19
  Shaking my head, shaking my head, man Amen.
• 55:21
  Amen. Shake your head, shake your
• 55:23
  head. You can shake it right on out
• 55:24
  the door. All right, 'cause you're the one
• 55:28
  Doesn't know what you're talking about.
• 55:29
  Don't know what you're talking about.
• 55:31
  I answered Kaiju #22's comment in the follow up video.
• 55:35
  Christian, how many comments are under video number 200?
• 55:41
  With a lot less views as well, which means that these people
• 55:45
  will show up. I want you guys to pay attention
• 55:47
  to people. Do this in real life.
• 55:49
  They'll give you a drive by comment that basically amounts
• 55:52
  to and you're wrong, but then not stick around for the
• 55:56
  rebuttal. These people don't care about
• 55:58
  truth. They're sons of the devil.
• 56:00
  I don't say that as a insult. John chapter 8, Jesus tells us
• 56:04
  some some characteristics of sons of Satan.
• 56:07
  They don't stand in the truth. They insist on not standing in
• 56:11
  the truth, which is why people like this don't ever stick
• 56:15
  around to hear a rebuttal. Because if they did, they might
• 56:18
  be standing in the truth just to listen to you.
• 56:20
  And they can't stand that because they're unregenerate.
• 56:25
  Because they're unregenerate bro, and happy about it.
• 56:30
  If you were unregenerate and sad about it, you would pursue Jesus
• 56:33
  to fix that. But you're happy about it.
• 56:35
  So you stay in the dark. So you stay in the dark.
• 56:40
  You know, So I said to him, you did watch the entire video
• 56:43
  because that kind of remark makes it sound like you didn't.
• 56:46
  That being said, be on the lookout.
• 56:48
  I'll make a follow up video to address that very retort.
• 56:54
  No interaction, no engagement. Who's being more honest with the
• 56:59
  text now? This is fun.
• 57:01
  You want some more laughs? Let's look at Shepard Abraham
• 57:03
  2574. I also responded to him and that
• 57:07
  same follow up video that had no comments.
• 57:10
  No one needs to watch your video.
• 57:12
  Scripture already warns against your message.
• 57:14
  Genesis 12 three. So what?
• 57:15
  So why are you here, big dog? We get the proof.
• 57:21
  Crazy, crazy. All these guys such pick me
• 57:24
  girls. I'm saying bro, I'm saying bro,
• 57:26
  now listen, have fun with his comment, bro.
• 57:28
  Have fun. It's a playground for you.
• 57:30
  For real. For real.
• 57:31
  Yeah, yours is 12/3. Whoever curses Abraham is cursed
• 57:34
  by God. It also would have been Abraham
• 57:36
  at this point in time. But whatever you are calling
• 57:38
  Abraham and those who follow him sons of Satan, that curse falls
• 57:42
  back on you. Interesting.
• 57:46
  Jesus said the cursed quotations again, goats think they're saved
• 57:50
  but end up in the fire. Prepare for the devil.
• 57:51
  And yes, there would be people who think that they're saved or
• 57:54
  think that they're good, but they're not versus the sheep who
• 57:56
  are saved. If you're actually going to be
• 57:58
  honest to the text, polygyny is never cursed, never forbidden,
• 58:02
  never condemned, God regulated, blessed it, rewarded it, and
• 58:05
  gave it to David who caused multiple problems by having
• 58:08
  multiple wives who fought with each other and the children
• 58:10
  fought against each other and him and nothing bad ever
• 58:12
  happened because a result of his polygamy.
• 58:14
  No, not once. That's certainly not with the
• 58:16
  Bible never explicitly says David was bad because he was
• 58:19
  polygamous. And yet we can see the end
• 58:20
  results of it. But I I guess subtlety is lost
• 58:23
  on idiots. Polygyny is never cursed.
• 58:28
  Oh sorry, I already did that. What is condemned is bearing
• 58:30
  false witness and inventing sins.
• 58:32
  God never spoke it. Is he saying?
• 58:38
  Maybe I'm misinterpreting this and you can correct me.
• 58:41
  Inventing sins God never spoke. The idea of being God never
• 58:47
  explicitly said this was a sin. You see what you see?
• 58:51
  You see how stupid it is when you think about it.
• 58:53
  So you're telling me that the only stuff that's a sin is the
• 58:56
  stuff that God explicitly says is a sin.
• 58:57
  So if, and you know, listeners, you know, beware, but you know,
• 59:03
  I make all my episodes rated M for this reason because I never
• 59:07
  know what I'm going to say. But, you know, So what you're
• 59:09
  saying is Thou shalt not commit adultery is simply about looking
• 59:15
  with lust at another woman. But you're telling me I could
• 59:18
  kind of shortcut that by going on the Internet and looking up a
• 59:22
  Japanese tentacle hentai corn because it's a cartoon
• 59:28
  character? Because God never explicitly
• 59:30
  said that's a sin, right? Like see how silly that is bro?
• 59:37
  That's what he's saying. Like that, Like like that's
• 59:39
  really what he's saying bro. It's not explicitly written, so
• 59:43
  it must be fine, really. No, the IT one of those people.
• 59:47
  Well, onanism is wrong as spilling city you don't
• 59:50
  reproduce, but if you do it on your own, it's perfectly fine
• 59:54
  because you know they're not physically there.
• 59:56
  So you're not looking at another woman, you're looking at a
• 59:58
  picture, you're looking at a video.
• 59:59
  It's like. I wouldn't be surprised if I
• 1:00:02
  wouldn't be surprised if he was that kind of dude.
• 1:00:03
  Ecclesiastes says that masturbation is OK because it
• 1:00:06
  says whatever you find to do with your hands, do it with all
• 1:00:09
  your might and vigor. Oh.
• 1:00:11
  God. Gosh, like, see this is this is
• 1:00:14
  on that level of really, you really think it said that?
• 1:00:18
  I have let me just make this perfectly.
• 1:00:20
  I have no respect for any of these people.
• 1:00:22
  And the reason for that is that they're not being honest.
• 1:00:25
  If they were honest and they said I want to do this because
• 1:00:29
  my heart wants to do this, because I want to give in to
• 1:00:31
  sin, I'd give them more accolades and say at least
• 1:00:35
  you're being honest. But what you're showing yourself
• 1:00:38
  is that you're being lukewarm is that you're making things about
• 1:00:42
  you without actually saying it. Because actually, you're
• 1:00:44
  cowards. This is.
• 1:00:46
  Why you can't handle? True criticism.
• 1:00:48
  This is why I have so much more fun quite honestly, talking to
• 1:00:53
  the LGBTQ crowd at like pride parades because for the most
• 1:00:58
  part they're all honest. The ones that want to do that
• 1:01:01
  lifestyle because it's just where their heart is at, that's
• 1:01:04
  what they want to do. They will honestly insult me,
• 1:01:07
  spit at me, whatever and just keep it pushing, but they won't
• 1:01:10
  lie. And the people that are there at
• 1:01:13
  the parade that aren't Christian but are on the fence and only
• 1:01:17
  went to the gay pride parade as a way of exploring how they feel
• 1:01:22
  amongst this crowd of people. And by the way, if you didn't
• 1:01:26
  realize that a large portion of people at those festivals are
• 1:01:29
  there for that reason, that that might be why you don't find as
• 1:01:33
  much engagement as I do when I go out there.
• 1:01:35
  I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:01:37
  There's a bunch of people out there that are not solid in
• 1:01:39
  their identity, but those people are also honest about the fact
• 1:01:43
  that they're not solid in their identity.
• 1:01:45
  I'm here because I like the man in the parable and searching for
• 1:01:49
  fine pearls. Do you have a Pearl of great
• 1:01:51
  price? Because I'm searching for one.
• 1:01:55
  You know, these people, they lie.
• 1:02:00
  They lie. And so there's nothing I can
• 1:02:01
  really do except pro. You're lying.
• 1:02:05
  Come into the truth, man. See, Look and read the end of
• 1:02:08
  it, right? Scripture has no category all
• 1:02:11
  the way down, bro. Look at this nonsense.
• 1:02:13
  Scripture has no category of monogamy versus polygyny.
• 1:02:17
  It has marriage and Paul said doctrines that forbid marriage
• 1:02:21
  come from demons. 3 witnesses Torah, Jesus and Paul.
• 1:02:28
  Condemn your doctrine. Repent.
• 1:02:32
  Yep. So I guess that means if you
• 1:02:35
  teach a doctrine that forbids marrying little girls, you're
• 1:02:37
  actually a son of the devil, right?
• 1:02:41
  We got to see Muhammad was right to do what he did, man.
• 1:02:44
  This is a you know, it was funny.
• 1:02:46
  You, you think I'm kidding bro? There's a subsection of these
• 1:02:49
  people that would agree with Muhammad.
• 1:02:51
  Oh, I don't doubt it. I do agree with Muhammad, you
• 1:02:54
  know, on this stuff. This guy will always seek out
• 1:02:56
  fella scum and villainy. See, you get it.
• 1:03:00
  You get it, you know, But I had fun.
• 1:03:02
  That's a long comment for someone that didn't watch the
• 1:03:04
  video. Welcome back to you, Emily
• 1:03:08
  Shoop, by the way, any anytime her name comes up.
• 1:03:11
  Some light in the darkness. Some absolute light in the
• 1:03:15
  darkness, sister. Oh my gosh.
• 1:03:18
  Oh my gosh. And by the way, if you're
• 1:03:19
  listening to this, if you're listening this, just know this
• 1:03:22
  entire thing, this entire thing is because of you and your
• 1:03:28
  faithfulness and battling these dudes unnamed, unspoken and
• 1:03:33
  unrewarded for over a year, dossiering everything.
• 1:03:37
  All right, Praise be to God for your faithfulness and man Oh
• 1:03:42
  bye. Speak out against the crown you
• 1:03:44
  have for this. Man, I don't know how many
• 1:03:47
  jewels will be on your your crowns in heaven for this.
• 1:03:50
  Crazy work, man. So yeah, we'll we'll get to
• 1:03:55
  that. Her comment is going to be her
• 1:03:57
  comments going to be the final, some of the final laugh tracks
• 1:04:01
  that we do here. But as you know, in this video,
• 1:04:06
  I called a Saravo 100 son of the devil and a liar.
• 1:04:12
  And I want you to see, now I get it right, Obviously you might be
• 1:04:15
  a little bit more flustered when someone makes 1/2 hour video
• 1:04:18
  calling you a liar. I get it.
• 1:04:20
  But I do find it interesting how the deeper we go in this saga,
• 1:04:26
  the more the less polite and the less scholarly and the more we
• 1:04:31
  kind of dive into unhinged tone of voice we get into these
• 1:04:35
  comments. So you have fun with this.
• 1:04:37
  The true man is revealed. And by the way, you see how he
• 1:04:41
  says this is a little on the fly, but I'll do this anyway.
• 1:04:44
  Is that not a contradiction, Sir?
• 1:04:46
  Like what? What?
• 1:04:47
  What are we doing bro? Time you can type this out.
• 1:04:49
  We don't know how long it took you to type this out like.
• 1:04:52
  Like what are we doing bro? But yeah, have fun.
• 1:04:55
  But let me let me show some folks humility, because that
• 1:04:57
  makes me look like the better man, even though everything I've
• 1:05:00
  said before proves that to be patently false.
• 1:05:03
  All right, well, this is a little on the fly, but I'll do
• 1:05:06
  this anyway. You know, if I guess I could
• 1:05:07
  design to give you my time, you seem to have deliberately straw
• 1:05:11
  man my comments. Maybe you're not being so honest
• 1:05:14
  here. Should I assume you're a liar?
• 1:05:17
  Either that or you don't comprehend the.
• 1:05:18
  Distinction between it you see the soft DARVO.
• 1:05:22
  Deflect, deflect, deflect. You don't comprehend the
• 1:05:27
  distinction between an argument of negation, a negative
• 1:05:30
  critique, versus an argument of affirmation.
• 1:05:32
  Brother, you didn't specify which one it was in the video.
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  That's fine. It's all recorded like in the
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  comment section and in the tape like it's fine.
• 1:05:42
  My comments about the Adams quote and what monogamy only
• 1:05:44
  defenders do with a passage is a negative critique, an argument
• 1:05:48
  of negation. You see, I never said an idiom
• 1:05:51
  there for polygyny. Keep.
• 1:05:53
  That in mind, keep that in mind by the way, because that is his
• 1:05:56
  argument. I'll I'll show you.
• 1:05:59
  It would be an argument of affirmation which I did not make
• 1:06:01
  based upon that phrase. That seems to have gone straight
• 1:06:04
  over your head because your simple minded and smooth brain.
• 1:06:07
  With all due respect, your critical and analytical skills
• 1:06:10
  are on the sophomoric side in this regard.
• 1:06:12
  And that's a fancy way of saying he thinks Corai is dumb.
• 1:06:15
  For those who don't know what sophomoric means.
• 1:06:17
  You you didn't even have to add the ad Lib because I knew what
• 1:06:19
  the next sentence was. I was like, no, he just, he just
• 1:06:21
  does call me stupid. Yeah, I guess.
• 1:06:24
  I guess that's cool. But that see, that's what
• 1:06:27
  happens, bro. He didn't expect you won't know
• 1:06:29
  what happened, what really happened.
• 1:06:30
  He did not expect me to go actually look up the context of
• 1:06:34
  the quote. That is why I think he's
• 1:06:37
  actually pissed off because it's like, oh wow, you're not just
• 1:06:40
  going to trust me, bro. No, you're not just going to
• 1:06:43
  take my because that's why. Definitely not.
• 1:06:46
  Who are you? Crazy work?
• 1:06:49
  Certainly not the man I've seen that much.
• 1:06:51
  And and before we keep going right, let me see First Timothy
• 1:06:56
  3. First Timothy 3, I believe, is
• 1:07:01
  where the actual phrase is at. Let's see not deacons, but
• 1:07:09
  elders. Overseer.
• 1:07:11
  Yeah, yeah. The husband of one wife.
• 1:07:12
  Therefore an overseer must be above reproach.
• 1:07:14
  The husband of one wife. Now English translations will
• 1:07:18
  translate this as the husband and one wife.
• 1:07:20
  Usually the original Greek is an idiom, right?
• 1:07:26
  It is, as the scholar he quoted would say, an unusual
• 1:07:31
  construction. Now, I just want you to know
• 1:07:33
  when he says his argument is not an idiom.
• 1:07:36
  Therefore polygyny. He's an absolute dirty liar,
• 1:07:40
  lying dog, son of Satan. That is what he is when he says
• 1:07:45
  that because his argument from First Timothy 3, all of their
• 1:07:49
  arguments from First Timothy 3 is it's an idiom slash, an
• 1:07:54
  unusual construction there for polygyny, which like, OK, fine.
• 1:08:01
  Like it is an idiom, but you have to show me that the idiom
• 1:08:05
  means your interpretation. You can't just say because it's
• 1:08:09
  an idiom. Therefore, it's what I think it
• 1:08:11
  is right, because we make the same argument about Leviticus
• 1:08:15
  1818 that it's an idiomatic construction in the Hebrew.
• 1:08:19
  The difference is we got 19 other places in the Tanakh or I
• 1:08:24
  can show you the same Hebrew construction being used in a
• 1:08:27
  clearly idiomatic way. A lot of them in the Torah.
• 1:08:31
  So when they you? Gave references for.
• 1:08:33
  Right, right. Gave references for in the video
• 1:08:35
  and in the video description. I listed all of them for you to
• 1:08:39
  go check out in your own time with the resources that the
• 1:08:41
  Rabbi gave us in the video. This is so important to you.
• 1:08:44
  Because I'm not here to hold your hand.
• 1:08:46
  You're a freaking scholar. You're published on Amazon like
• 1:08:49
  a million times more than me. My 1 little book is collecting
• 1:08:52
  dust in the store. You got a whole bunch of stuff
• 1:08:54
  in Amazon. You, you can chase down some
• 1:08:57
  comments, brother. You can chase him down.
• 1:08:59
  He just didn't expect me to. Right.
• 1:09:02
  You know, popularity means that God has to be behind it.
• 1:09:05
  Now as I was saying though the idiom here, it's not the husband
• 1:09:11
  and one wife, it is a one woman man.
• 1:09:16
  That is literally the idiom in Greek.
• 1:09:20
  An overseer must be above reproach, a one woman man, sober
• 1:09:24
  minded, self controlled, yada yada yada.
• 1:09:28
  Now I agree with you, a one woman man is an idiom because if
• 1:09:32
  you were to take one woman man as a literal phrase, you could
• 1:09:36
  be a little wooden with it and be what do you mean by one
• 1:09:38
  woman? Do you mean only knows one
• 1:09:40
  woman? So you know, I guess if you know
• 1:09:44
  anyone other than your mom, you're no longer a one woman.
• 1:09:47
  Like you could, you could be really obtuse with it if you
• 1:09:49
  wanted to be, But everyone knows that the idiom one woman man
• 1:09:53
  means husband of one wife. Everyone knows that.
• 1:09:58
  So when he says it's an unusual construction in the Greek so
• 1:10:02
  everyone knows what it means, everyone knows what it means.
• 1:10:06
  So it's funny to me that you want to point to an idiomatic
• 1:10:09
  expression in First Timothy chapter 3, verse 2 to support
• 1:10:13
  your polygyny with no other citations of the same phrase
• 1:10:19
  being used in a similar fashion throughout the New Testament.
• 1:10:22
  But when I show you an idiomatic usage in the Torah and then show
• 1:10:27
  you 19 other places where it's used like that, one of them
• 1:10:31
  being Exodus, by the way. So their retort of, well, it's
• 1:10:36
  in the law and the law would be verbatim.
• 1:10:38
  The law wouldn't use idioms really like an Exodus when it's
• 1:10:41
  giving you construction instructions how to build this
• 1:10:47
  instructions and it says attach the clothes one woman to another
• 1:10:56
  even, and everyone knows that's an idiomatic expression for
• 1:10:59
  putting to like things together in one association.
• 1:11:01
  Everyone knows that. I show you that, but that's not
• 1:11:04
  enough. But an unsupported idiomatic
• 1:11:07
  argument here is enough crazy, crazy.
• 1:11:10
  And by the way, if Paul meant because, they would say he means
• 1:11:13
  husband to first wife. When Paul lists the spiritual
• 1:11:17
  gifts in First Corinthians, the word he uses for first is
• 1:11:20
  different than the word he uses for one here.
• 1:11:25
  What? What's that wait phrase it?
• 1:11:28
  But that's the yeah. Husband the first wife.
• 1:11:30
  Yep. Why don't you just say husband
• 1:11:32
  of many wives? Why?
• 1:11:34
  Why specify the first? Is she better than them somehow?
• 1:11:36
  Is that supported by scripture in some way, shape or form?
• 1:11:40
  Because we're told all the way back in the in the Torah.
• 1:11:42
  It's like, Oh no, don't show favoritism.
• 1:11:45
  Well their argument would be as long as he hasn't committed a
• 1:11:47
  divorce it's fine which is why husband of first wife but but
• 1:11:52
  it's still dumb because it's like OK so you can divorce the
• 1:11:55
  2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th wives and be fine.
• 1:11:58
  Clearly, clearly you're a man of God if that's what you're.
• 1:12:00
  Doing why? Like, Like what?
• 1:12:01
  Like what are we doing, bro? But yeah, my critical analytical
• 1:12:06
  skills are on the sophomoric side.
• 1:12:08
  That's cool. That's cool, That's cool.
• 1:12:10
  OK. Also, why?
• 1:12:13
  Would you assume you know what happens when you assume that
• 1:12:16
  just because I quoted Adams that there is any kind of assumption
• 1:12:19
  that I would be quoting someone who agrees with my pro polygyny
• 1:12:23
  position because that was the intention you had?
• 1:12:25
  Yeah, you did. Yeah.
• 1:12:26
  He never stated that the scholar was in disagreement with him.
• 1:12:30
  Yeah. So this is like, why would I
• 1:12:34
  assume that you did? This is a distinctly minority
• 1:12:39
  view view and very far between, and Adams is a well known
• 1:12:42
  traditional evangelical whose views on this topic have wide
• 1:12:46
  currency. See he he wants to hide behind.
• 1:12:49
  I thought you knew who he was. How many times I going to tell
• 1:12:51
  you bro, I'm just a guy that can think.
• 1:12:55
  I'm a philosophy head. My friends are the ones that get
• 1:12:58
  into languages. I just, the reason I can box
• 1:13:03
  with people that know languages is because I can track an
• 1:13:05
  argument because I'm a philosophy yet.
• 1:13:07
  But I'm like, dude, you're a bad scholar.
• 1:13:08
  Like, what are you talking about?
• 1:13:10
  You came to a channel with 100 and with less than 120
• 1:13:14
  subscribers and assumed I was on your same scholarly level.
• 1:13:17
  How sophomoric of you. Yeah.
• 1:13:20
  Why are you so obsessed with him?
• 1:13:22
  What's wrong with you? If you have anything better to
• 1:13:25
  do with your life, don't you have multiple wives you need to
• 1:13:27
  pay attention to? Sounds like a bad husband to me
• 1:13:29
  if this is what you're spending your time on.
• 1:13:30
  You want to know why you're one of the real reason why he's
• 1:13:32
  boxing with the channel as small as mine?
• 1:13:34
  Because all the big box channels already called him an idiot.
• 1:13:38
  I mean, I haven't and I haven't even, and I haven't even looked
• 1:13:40
  yet, but I'm going to assume because why else would you be
• 1:13:43
  here? Not that I'm mad, not that I'm
• 1:13:48
  mad that you're here, mind you. I'm just, you know, since we're
• 1:13:51
  taking shots at other people's reputation and what they should
• 1:13:54
  be doing with their time, I mean.
• 1:13:57
  Since they need to be near a physician.
• 1:14:00
  Like like what are like what are we doing bro?
• 1:14:03
  Let's see. Keep in mind keep reading this,
• 1:14:05
  you'll see his argument is idiom there for polygyny.
• 1:14:09
  No, the neutral assumption is that he would not agree with the
• 1:14:12
  position. My complaint about commentators
• 1:14:14
  not giving due consideration to the idiomatic nature of MIAs
• 1:14:18
  gunaikos Andhra were made with commentators in general in mind,
• 1:14:21
  and atoms in particular. This was a criticism of atoms.
• 1:14:25
  I just didn't make that known because, you know, I'm bad at
• 1:14:28
  arguing things. Also, the logic here seems to
• 1:14:31
  escape you. The testimony of a high school
• 1:14:33
  witness who concedes points in one's favor carries greater
• 1:14:36
  weight than the testimony of a friendly witness.
• 1:14:39
  This principle is recognized in a court of law.
• 1:14:42
  Your mother is expected to testify or argue in your favor.
• 1:14:45
  When a hostile witness concedes facts or arguments in your
• 1:14:48
  favor, the scales get more weighted in your favor.
• 1:14:51
  And in this regard, I enlist Adams testimony as the testimony
• 1:14:54
  of a hostile witness because that's how logical arguments
• 1:14:57
  work. This seems to have gone straight
• 1:14:59
  over your head as well. You simple minded fool, You
• 1:15:02
  sophomoric imbecile, you've gone on off on a complete flight of
• 1:15:06
  fancy. Regarding my citation of atoms,
• 1:15:09
  my observation stands secure. I am so very proud of who I am
• 1:15:13
  and I'm going to keep talking even though I've said absolutely
• 1:15:15
  nothing. Commentators don't generally
• 1:15:17
  give due consideration to the idiomatic nature of First
• 1:15:20
  Timothy 3212 and Titus 16. So you see what I said?
• 1:15:25
  His argument is literally. It's an idiom there for
• 1:15:29
  polygyny. Like you see that, right?
• 1:15:32
  Yes. His argument is the very thing
• 1:15:35
  he said it wasn't. So time flagging to play.
• 1:15:40
  Uh huh. You're making this argument that
• 1:15:43
  this is actually speaking about polygamy.
• 1:15:47
  Why are you using someone who's critical again?
• 1:15:49
  Because somehow that makes it better.
• 1:15:51
  That was his argument. Is that if I use someone who's
• 1:15:53
  critical his argument? Is that, and there's some merit
• 1:15:57
  to it. It's just pointless here.
• 1:15:59
  His argument is that this guy over here who agrees with us
• 1:16:06
  will concede. I feel like the use of the word
• 1:16:09
  concede is the actual lie here, because it's not a concession,
• 1:16:13
  it's just a true statement. We're not conceding like it's
• 1:16:18
  not a threat to our position that this phrase is an idiom.
• 1:16:25
  Like it? It's not the phrase one woman
• 1:16:28
  man is a very monogamous idiom, fam.
• 1:16:32
  It's not a threat to our position.
• 1:16:33
  So it's not a concession, Right. A concession would be if I was
• 1:16:39
  talking to a Muslim and I was like, you know what?
• 1:16:41
  Let me concede your position that the Bible is corrupted.
• 1:16:44
  But now let's continue to talk. I don't believe that, but I'll
• 1:16:47
  let you have it. Yeah, that's a concession.
• 1:16:51
  The author he's quoting truly believes that it is an idiom, so
• 1:16:55
  he's not granting something that he doesn't believe.
• 1:16:59
  He's not conceding anything. But that's his argument.
• 1:17:02
  Is that because he's conceding that the phrase is an idiom
• 1:17:06
  while not, how does he say it while not giving due
• 1:17:12
  consideration to the nature of the idiom?
• 1:17:17
  That shows an inconsistent logic in his position and therefore
• 1:17:23
  polygyny, which still wasn't actually show why the idiom
• 1:17:28
  means polygyny by the way, because to do that he has to lie
• 1:17:32
  about the Greek and say that the word means 1st instead of 1,
• 1:17:38
  even though first is a different Greek word haste.
• 1:17:41
  Yes, and once again this. So I guess where my disconnect
• 1:17:46
  is happening here? Is this is your best argument?
• 1:17:49
  It certainly seems to go off with it certainly seems to be
• 1:17:52
  his favorite. I don't know actually, to be
• 1:17:54
  honest. I think their favorite argument
• 1:17:56
  is that God, quote UN quote, gave polygyny to David.
• 1:17:59
  That is the one that they will always fall back on when you
• 1:18:01
  destroy everything else. But, well, there isn't a
• 1:18:06
  difference between giving and allowing.
• 1:18:08
  Number one, I mean, there's also the fact that if he was actually
• 1:18:11
  married to every single one of them, he would be in violation
• 1:18:14
  of the close relationship incest laws since Saul married some of
• 1:18:18
  David's closer female relatives. So he couldn't have actually had
• 1:18:21
  all of them as wives because then he, because then Yahweh
• 1:18:24
  would have made him a violator of another part of the Torah.
• 1:18:28
  But we won't talk about that. I'm just struggling to think if
• 1:18:34
  someone writing papers has never been my favorite thing in the
• 1:18:37
  world, but I knew if I wanted to get a good grade I'd better have
• 1:18:41
  sources that agreed with what I was saying as my main argument.
• 1:18:48
  Now again, let me tell you what I think happened.
• 1:18:50
  He did not expect me to know any of this stuff because again, my
• 1:18:53
  YouTube channel has had less than 120 subscribers I think at
• 1:18:57
  the time of this comment. So he was going to name drop a
• 1:19:00
  scholar JT Adams or whatever, quote 3 words from the guy,
• 1:19:07
  whatever, like whatever little bit he actually did end up
• 1:19:10
  quoting, like he didn't quote much, he ends up quoting like 3
• 1:19:14
  words from the guy or something. Quote.
• 1:19:18
  JT Adams says that this phrase is quote in unusual construction
• 1:19:23
  and quote. So he quotes 3 words from JT
• 1:19:27
  Adams when the context from Adams's book you can see in
• 1:19:32
  video 3. Go look at it.
• 1:19:33
  Go look at LCS. Yeah, go look at it like he he
• 1:19:37
  just lies. But he says he quotes JT Adams
• 1:19:41
  saying this phrase is an idiomatic expression as an
• 1:19:44
  unusual construction, and then he jumps straight to therefore
• 1:19:47
  polygyny. He doesn't do any of the work
• 1:19:50
  he's doing here now that I've exposed him for lying.
• 1:19:56
  So what's happening here is just straight up DARVO.
• 1:19:59
  Deny the accusation of being a liar, accuse me of being a liar,
• 1:20:03
  and then reverse the victim and offender so that I'm the victim
• 1:20:06
  of you offending me and calling me a liar.
• 1:20:08
  This is DARVO, bro. And I told you I saw it coming a
• 1:20:11
  mile away from our like, first interaction in the comment
• 1:20:13
  section. Oh, this guy's a liar.
• 1:20:16
  And then what happened? You proved me a liar within 2
• 1:20:19
  videos. Proved himself a liar within two
• 1:20:23
  videos. Excuse me?
• 1:20:25
  I'm sorry, I just, all I could think of is if I'd ever done
• 1:20:31
  anything like this in seminary, tried to do present an argument
• 1:20:35
  like that to one of my professors, why they didn't
• 1:20:38
  wouldn't have just revoked everything I'd done beforehand
• 1:20:40
  and just said get out because obviously you don't belong here.
• 1:20:44
  If this is how you're going to argue stuff like why do you get
• 1:20:48
  put your week, you're weak foot forward, like if you've got some
• 1:20:51
  better argument out there, like go for it.
• 1:20:54
  But that's because you don't. And I agree with you.
• 1:20:57
  I think he didn't think that you would actually, you know, test
• 1:21:00
  the spirits as it were, to make sure that the lying spirit that
• 1:21:05
  was being presented to you was lying.
• 1:21:07
  Which by the way, is another pseudo idiomatic expression,
• 1:21:10
  because test the spirits actually means test the
• 1:21:12
  theology. But idiomatic expressions don't
• 1:21:14
  actually mean anything in the Bible, so.
• 1:21:17
  God forbid. Sorry.
• 1:21:21
  Test the spirits actually means you'll go to Ouija board, douse
• 1:21:24
  it in holy water and figure out and call the Ghostbusters.
• 1:21:27
  That's what you'll do. After paying Parker Brothers for
• 1:21:31
  the ability to get the Ouija board in the 1st.
• 1:21:33
  Place There you go. See.
• 1:21:34
  I can I can banter with you. This is great.
• 1:21:37
  This is fun. See, Didn't I tell you?
• 1:21:39
  I told you I had gems down here, man.
• 1:21:41
  Gems you would not believe if I told you God.
• 1:21:45
  Damn. Hell, By the way, John Piper,
• 1:21:49
  who? Let me make this explicit since
• 1:21:51
  you don't pick up on inferences very well.
• 1:21:54
  I mean talk down to you. Man, that's why I only have 123
• 1:21:57
  subscribers, because I'm an ignoramus.
• 1:21:59
  Yeah, but he is a staunch monogamy only proponent, which
• 1:22:03
  should be obvious to anyone who has a brain but recognizes the
• 1:22:07
  textual and hermeneutical problems with First Timothy 3/2.
• 1:22:11
  He makes his monogamy only case but believes the First Timothy
• 1:22:14
  passage is focused on marital faithfulness and not polygyny.
• 1:22:17
  Just to be clear. So there's no confusion.
• 1:22:19
  That's the testimony of an evangelical scholar who is
• 1:22:22
  hostile to the pro polygyny position, which used John Piper
• 1:22:27
  as like, like he's he's good. He's like, everyone knows John
• 1:22:31
  Piper. I I'm sorry you felt you had to
• 1:22:35
  explain yourself because you would think, Oh no, so
• 1:22:37
  everyone's as dumb as me so I have to explain this the way it
• 1:22:40
  is. Well, this is also well, this is
• 1:22:42
  also a lie because he never based a previous argument on any
• 1:22:46
  quotation from John Piper. Yes, this this.
• 1:22:49
  Comment is the first time that he introduces anything about
• 1:22:52
  John Piper to the conversation. So like when he says let me make
• 1:22:56
  this explicit so you don't pick up on inferences very well.
• 1:22:58
  You never inferred to John Piper anywhere before, So what are you
• 1:23:02
  talking about? You're bringing up a new point,
• 1:23:05
  which is fine, but like, why are you disguising?
• 1:23:07
  They say like, why are why are you darvoing?
• 1:23:09
  Stop it. Stop Darvoing.
• 1:23:11
  You don't understand TLDR Basically your analysis of my
• 1:23:16
  analysis has been weighed in the balances and found one thing.
• 1:23:19
  I mean, what is it? What is an Anubis and a feather?
• 1:23:22
  We, we put that out there. It's your time before him in the
• 1:23:25
  underworld, and it's gone the wrong way because obviously you
• 1:23:29
  just don't understand my intellectual levels of thinking.
• 1:23:32
  Well, you see, that's actually an idiomatic expression.
• 1:23:34
  See, when it says when something is found wanting, what that
• 1:23:36
  means is it's found wanting of a trophy, see, because what it did
• 1:23:41
  was it was so good, but there's not a reward yet for it, that
• 1:23:45
  the reward is found wanting. You see what I'm saying?
• 1:23:48
  I'm, I'm found wanting to be placed on the podium of
• 1:23:51
  championship status. Because see, when you have an
• 1:23:56
  idiomatic expression, you can insert your own meaning, because
• 1:24:00
  that's why. I see, well I've been living
• 1:24:03
  life wrong all this time and this man has opened my eyes.
• 1:24:06
  See, I mean, welcome to polemics.
• 1:24:11
  I was. I was blind.
• 1:24:12
  Now I see. Welcome to the opposite dark
• 1:24:16
  underworld side of apologetics polemics.
• 1:24:18
  It's dark and it's muddy down here, bro.
• 1:24:26
  Just this, just this, like I said, because with apologetics,
• 1:24:29
  you're dealing mostly with a good seed, asking you good
• 1:24:31
  questions. In polemics, you're jumping into
• 1:24:35
  snake pits because they're biting all the sheep and
• 1:24:37
  infecting them with venom. So I'm trying to get the snakes
• 1:24:41
  out of the sheep pen. So yeah, I got to bring the rod.
• 1:24:47
  But this is. But it's so dumb.
• 1:24:49
  It's so dumb. He recognizes the textual and
• 1:24:52
  hermeneutical problems of First Timothy 3.
• 1:24:54
  Two such as because that's why you don't see how I don't have
• 1:25:01
  to explain. Work of mine.
• 1:25:03
  Like what are we doing? But it's so dumb bro, because
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  there are some people that would say that applying, sorry that
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  applying. Oh, go on.
• 1:25:11
  No. No, real quick, I want to say
• 1:25:13
  this is actually a compliment. A given America's reading level
• 1:25:16
  right now is probably at the 6th grade.
• 1:25:18
  He's actually calling you. Pretty smart to be a sophomore.
• 1:25:20
  And yeah, you know, you know, ain't it something, bro?
• 1:25:25
  Ain't it something, it's one of those things where it's like you
• 1:25:28
  said, sophomoric instead of idiot, presumably because you
• 1:25:33
  didn't think I would know what sophomoric meant.
• 1:25:35
  See, these things, I'm not missing them.
• 1:25:39
  I'm not missing these things. I'm just a guy.
• 1:25:41
  But Christian can tell you, bro, I have done, I have potentially
• 1:25:47
  done as much reading, maybe not as him because he is my
• 1:25:50
  affectionate scholar to the people, but as other people that
• 1:25:53
  were in his program in seminary. It's possible I've done a
• 1:25:58
  comparable amount of independent study.
• 1:26:02
  I don't actually know because I've never been to seminary.
• 1:26:05
  But the fact that I can box with a Tom Shipley, I don't know,
• 1:26:10
  man. Can they e-mail me?
• 1:26:13
  Then like, like you have to go to seminary to be this
• 1:26:17
  intelligent and show wisdom in this regard.
• 1:26:19
  Like that's just where God sent me versus where he sent you.
• 1:26:23
  Neither is right, neither is wrong.
• 1:26:25
  Well, no, it's right, and that's where we're supposed to go, so
• 1:26:27
  it's not wrong. So you and I are mature enough
• 1:26:30
  to understand that right? When you prayed about going into
• 1:26:32
  seminary, God told you yes. When I prayed about going into
• 1:26:35
  seminary, God told me no. And I actually see why over the
• 1:26:39
  course of my life. This interaction is one of the
• 1:26:41
  reasons why so that it's easier for me to make fun of the man
• 1:26:46
  because I'm not a scholar. There are certain arguments and
• 1:26:50
  jokes that I can make that I couldn't make if I were a
• 1:26:54
  scholar. Yes.
• 1:26:58
  Because of my lack of clout, I'm able to deny him even more
• 1:27:02
  clout. It's, you know, it's amazing.
• 1:27:07
  It's amazing. In weakness, the power of Christ
• 1:27:10
  is made more powerful and you came to a super small channel to
• 1:27:16
  try to box your theology that other big box names have already
• 1:27:21
  taken you to the woodshed on. But again, final lesson about
• 1:27:27
  how these guys work. This is why you have to refute
• 1:27:30
  them harshly because they won't stop.
• 1:27:32
  They're just going to go to other communities that don't
• 1:27:34
  know their name and try to peddle the same lies that have
• 1:27:37
  been debunked in higher academia.
• 1:27:41
  Well now I'm starting to wonder if he has a humiliation fetish
• 1:27:43
  or something like that. This, this is crazy.
• 1:27:45
  This is because he's still here, bro.
• 1:27:47
  He's still comments. This is actually crazy.
• 1:27:50
  This is actually crazy. I'm curious to see what he has
• 1:27:52
  to say about our takedown of him, if he'll actually address
• 1:27:54
  anything and be intelligent and he'll I doubt it given your
• 1:27:58
  prior comments. He'll be sophomore at Cerevo.
• 1:28:02
  He'll, he'll, he'll be petty, bro.
• 1:28:03
  He'll be petty. Now what's fun here?
• 1:28:06
  Ah, yes. So yeah, he comes here
• 1:28:09
  underneath the rabbi. Oh, yes, he wants to be captain.
• 1:28:13
  Context. Now this will be our final
• 1:28:15
  playground my friend. To speak the language of the
• 1:28:19
  Hebrew enemy. Just to make my point about
• 1:28:21
  political polygamy, I will deign to speak these things to you
• 1:28:25
  sophomore at fools. Context is everything in human
• 1:28:30
  communication, and context is everything in scripture.
• 1:28:33
  OK, we're starting off pretty strong.
• 1:28:36
  I worked as a contractor's helper when I was young.
• 1:28:38
  When there was a weak floorboard, the weak roof joist,
• 1:28:41
  we would sister the board by attaching another board to it to
• 1:28:44
  strengthen it. At this point, Christian, I want
• 1:28:46
  you to notice I eat my snack. The checkmate was provided by
• 1:28:52
  him, but you'll see. The use of language is not
• 1:28:56
  exclusively a Hebrew idiom. It makes sense in the context of
• 1:29:00
  carpentry or Tabernacle furniture.
• 1:29:03
  When you are not trying, when you are trying to address human
• 1:29:07
  relations. All of which is to preface the
• 1:29:10
  observation that literal specificity is absolutely
• 1:29:13
  critical. And the constant sanguiny.
• 1:29:15
  Excuse me, consanguinity. That is my list coming out
• 1:29:19
  there. My bad Laws of Leviticus 18 to
• 1:29:22
  avoid misunderstanding and I have a sneaking.
• 1:29:25
  I didn't put a sneaking suspicion.
• 1:29:27
  So I guess we both screwed up our language there.
• 1:29:29
  We're an equal footing, you and I, That God, that's how it was.
• 1:29:32
  Emotional. When you miss connecting
• 1:29:36
  conjunctives like that, it's usually because you're
• 1:29:38
  emotional. I'm under his skin bad.
• 1:29:42
  That God was intelligent enough to know this when he gave Moses
• 1:29:45
  these laws. God is laying down the
• 1:29:47
  foundation here. The entire chapter of Leviticus
• 1:29:51
  18 is universally recognized as every by everyone is making
• 1:29:54
  literal prohibitions. For example, verse 9.
• 1:29:59
  The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father or
• 1:30:02
  daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home or born
• 1:30:05
  abroad. Even their nakedness thou shalt
• 1:30:06
  not uncover. And verse 11 The nakedness of
• 1:30:10
  thy father's wife's daughter, begotten of thy father.
• 1:30:12
  She is thy sister. Thou shalt not uncover her
• 1:30:15
  nakedness. Verse 12 Thou shalt not uncover
• 1:30:18
  the nakedness of thy father's sister.
• 1:30:20
  She is thy father's near kinswoman. 13 Thou shalt not
• 1:30:24
  uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister, for she is thy
• 1:30:27
  mother's near kinswoman. Yet we are supposed to believe
• 1:30:32
  that in the same context, almost immediately after the word
• 1:30:35
  sister literally and no less than 4 instances suddenly Moses
• 1:30:38
  lives in this non literal uses of sister just to keep us on our
• 1:30:43
  toes. Maybe if you believe this, you
• 1:30:47
  might be interested in the bridge I have to sell.
• 1:30:49
  Oh wow, really? I told you yourself on that
• 1:30:52
  edge, I am under his skin. Bad dude.
• 1:30:55
  I mean. But we saw earlier that I've
• 1:30:58
  been living rent free in his head since he saw the channel
• 1:31:01
  apparently since he said I don't usually even engage this much.
• 1:31:06
  Which that also might be a lie that that might also just be him
• 1:31:09
  like ego maxing who knows. But if that was true then I
• 1:31:14
  don't know man. Like like brother I I have a
• 1:31:17
  wife dog like chill chill it. Is the quest for the Golden
• 1:31:21
  Fleece of an explicit prohibition against polygyny?
• 1:31:24
  That is the driver here. If there had been an explicit
• 1:31:27
  prohibition against polygyny, what would have ever dreamed of
• 1:31:30
  trying to manufacture one out of Leviticus 1818, even though
• 1:31:33
  that's exactly what I'm doing? Now I won't lie.
• 1:31:36
  I won't lie. Rhetorically, that's a powerful
• 1:31:39
  comment. I think we can agree on that.
• 1:31:41
  Rhetorically this is still dumb, but rhetorically this is a
• 1:31:45
  pretty powerful comment. So let's take this one piece at
• 1:31:48
  a time. 1st, I'm going to give you the comment that I said
• 1:31:54
  pretty instantly after reading this, and then I'll tell you my
• 1:31:58
  more measured thoughts on it now.
• 1:32:00
  But this is what I thought. This is what I said immediately
• 1:32:02
  after. I'll let you read it because I
• 1:32:03
  think this is funny. OK, assuming that an idiomatic
• 1:32:07
  usage can't be explicit seems like a circular assumption to
• 1:32:11
  me. If I were to say the sentence I
• 1:32:13
  hit up little Shorty across town for a booty call, no one would
• 1:32:16
  debate what I meant. It's explicit, even though it's
• 1:32:19
  idiomatic. Hey, come on now, you got to you
• 1:32:20
  got to give me props for that one, bro.
• 1:32:26
  This is the language that someone who's done.
• 1:32:31
  Like, you know what I'm saying? Like.
• 1:32:34
  Like if you can't take a serious argument I'm a dumb things down
• 1:32:36
  for your sophomoric understanding that matters.
• 1:32:38
  Like, you see what I'm saying, bro?
• 1:32:40
  This, this is the strength of not a scholar, You know, I can't
• 1:32:43
  throw my weight around to the degree that you and Rabbi
• 1:32:47
  Naftali can, which is why I called you guys in to do what I
• 1:32:51
  can't. But you tell.
• 1:32:52
  But I'll tell you what I can do. I can debunk your bad theology
• 1:32:56
  with Ebonics, OK, I can, I can definitely do that.
• 1:33:05
  I can, I can, I can, I can explain philosophy with Ebonics
• 1:33:11
  and give you a systematic St. theology, brother, I can do that
• 1:33:15
  for you. I can do that for you.
• 1:33:18
  But again, I think that kind of. But I think that comment really
• 1:33:20
  exposes it like you're just assuming.
• 1:33:24
  You're just assuming that an idiom can't be literal, right?
• 1:33:28
  Or that an idiom can't have such a universal understanding within
• 1:33:32
  a subset of a culture that it's practically literal, even if
• 1:33:37
  technically it's not. Now, having spent a couple more
• 1:33:42
  days thinking about this comment, he cooked himself by
• 1:33:46
  quoting the rest of Leviticus, right?
• 1:33:49
  Because his whole point is that the prohibitions that come
• 1:33:53
  before this are literal prohibitions.
• 1:33:55
  I don't have to interpret none of this.
• 1:33:57
  Sure, brother, sure. But here's my question, right?
• 1:34:00
  And again, I want you to remember my testimony.
• 1:34:02
  I'm a sexual deviant, all right? Before Jesus, I did it all, did
• 1:34:06
  it all. Which means that when it comes
• 1:34:08
  to stuff like this, I'm kind of a subject matter expert in the
• 1:34:11
  sin. So let me ask you a question,
• 1:34:14
  all right. When it says in all these
• 1:34:16
  verses, let's take 9 the nakedness of thy sister, the
• 1:34:20
  daughter of thy father, thou shalt not uncover.
• 1:34:24
  Here's a question for you, Ashley.
• 1:34:26
  Here's a question for you, my guy.
• 1:34:29
  Is it possible to have sex with your clothes on?
• 1:34:32
  Very difficult is it? But it but it way but it's
• 1:34:37
  possible right? Oh, it's possible.
• 1:34:39
  It's definitely possible, so let me ask you a question.
• 1:34:42
  If I were to, if I were to just, you know, not to be too explicit
• 1:34:47
  here, but if we were to just keep all the clothing on and
• 1:34:50
  just kind of maneuver certain fabrics to the side to get the
• 1:34:55
  purchase that we need. Have I actually uncovered the
• 1:34:59
  nakedness of thy sister? If we're sticking to a purely
• 1:35:02
  literal interpretation of the words and not allowing for any
• 1:35:06
  idiomatic flexibility. I guess you found the perfect
• 1:35:10
  loophole. You've defeated God.
• 1:35:11
  I get. I guess I defeated God, bro.
• 1:35:14
  I can sleep with my sister as long as she keeps all her
• 1:35:17
  clothes on, bro. Because God said don't uncover
• 1:35:19
  the nakedness. I didn't uncover the nakedness.
• 1:35:22
  Yeah. I didn't even look at the Pootie
• 1:35:25
  Tang. I didn't need to do that.
• 1:35:28
  I've been a kid. For all this logic.
• 1:35:30
  You know, circle peg, circle hole.
• 1:35:32
  I can have my eyes closed and do that if we were to engage in
• 1:35:36
  coitus with eyes closed. Have I uncovered the nakedness?
• 1:35:41
  Well, you're not seeing her like, I mean, honestly, you're
• 1:35:45
  fine, right? Again, right, because obviously
• 1:35:51
  the idiomatic expression of the nakedness being uncovered means
• 1:35:58
  to do the shibboingi boingi bro to engage in the primordial
• 1:36:04
  principle of procreation. Yes, excellently said.
• 1:36:09
  So yeah, it's not crazy to me that in the same context, almost
• 1:36:16
  immediately after the multiple usage of the idiomatic use of
• 1:36:20
  the phrase, the nakedness being uncovered, we get another
• 1:36:23
  idiomatic expression for something else being forbidden.
• 1:36:30
  So the very context that he went to to support what he said
• 1:36:35
  actually contradicts him. This is fun.
• 1:36:41
  And that's what evil will do. Every single time it tries to
• 1:36:44
  use scripture to justify itself, it will always kill itself upon
• 1:36:49
  arrival because it's using the thing that's anathema to itself.
• 1:36:56
  That's a quote see y'all see why y'all even?
• 1:36:59
  Why y'all even still on this channel bro?
• 1:37:00
  It's clear that his podcast is the superior being.
• 1:37:04
  That's it's clear bro. I'm Sonic the Hedgehog.
• 1:37:07
  He's Shadow bro. He was created to be the
• 1:37:09
  superior being. I need y'all to go subscribe to
• 1:37:12
  his stuff right now bro. Dang bruh I should add your
• 1:37:16
  podcast link to my YouTube channel just just to reap in
• 1:37:19
  pieces of your dividends brother.
• 1:37:21
  That was amazing. Evil will always defeat itself
• 1:37:26
  and be dead on arrival when it uses scripture because it's
• 1:37:28
  using the thing that's anathema to itself.
• 1:37:31
  Oh my gosh, bro. My gosh, bro.
• 1:37:40
  Amen. That is crazy.
• 1:37:44
  That is crazy. Now you want fun?
• 1:37:47
  His reply? Oh.
• 1:37:49
  Yes, you're evading and misdirecting from the whole
• 1:37:54
  thrust to point about context. Dang bro, he had to use the word
• 1:37:58
  thrust. That's crazy.
• 1:38:01
  I'll talk about it. I'll talk about a professor of
• 1:38:02
  mine later on. Also, if the non literal usage
• 1:38:05
  of sister were explicit, there would be no room for debate
• 1:38:08
  about this assertion. That's the meaning of explicit.
• 1:38:11
  There isn't room for debate. You're just an idiot and a son
• 1:38:14
  of the devil. Like what?
• 1:38:18
  If someone's an idiot until they open their mouth, that's not to
• 1:38:22
  confirm it. Now y'all haven't seen her on
• 1:38:25
  the channel in a little while, but she showed up in the
• 1:38:27
  comments bro wifey. Oh, she decided she wanted to
• 1:38:32
  step into the kitchen bro you know to the Polly pals.
• 1:38:35
  That is her natural environment after all, so it's not a
• 1:38:37
  surprise to see her step into the kitchen to finish the dish.
• 1:38:41
  So let's see, let's let's see the garnish that let's see the
• 1:38:45
  garnish. I'm St.
• 1:38:46
  K, she's St. M Let's see what she put on this
• 1:38:50
  dish, bro all. Right, Are you only looking at
• 1:38:54
  context to an English speaker's perspective or looking at the
• 1:38:56
  context of scripture through the context of the original
• 1:38:59
  language? Because your comments seems like
• 1:39:01
  you aren't looking at the context of the original language
• 1:39:03
  to try and evade the main point of the video.
• 1:39:09
  Hey, I have told Quray multiple times over he found himself the
• 1:39:14
  right woman. You know why?
• 1:39:20
  Because she wouldn't fall for none of this bull if some man
• 1:39:23
  tried to pull it on her. Why?
• 1:39:28
  Would be dead on arrival trying to argue with Meredith.
• 1:39:31
  Like that really is. First off, you're right, Golly,
• 1:39:35
  you're right. But that right there is the key,
• 1:39:40
  isn't it? Why are you so afraid of using
• 1:39:43
  the context of the original language?
• 1:39:46
  If I can show you evidence that this was an idiom that was
• 1:39:50
  commonly used in their holiest book, then it would seem that an
• 1:39:58
  idiomatic reading is the literal reading.
• 1:40:02
  You know, like the Young's translation team concluded.
• 1:40:08
  They're all about word for word, bro.
• 1:40:10
  But on that passage, they had to default to a dynamic equivalent
• 1:40:15
  because they understood. They understood.
• 1:40:18
  This is an idiom for the ancient Hebrews, but it's not an idiom
• 1:40:21
  for us. So to translate it literally
• 1:40:24
  word for word the way the ESV does actually creates more
• 1:40:27
  confusion than clarity. Yes.
• 1:40:31
  So it would actually be against the spirit of a literal
• 1:40:35
  translation, even if it's following the letter of that
• 1:40:37
  philosophy. The translate 1818 word for
• 1:40:41
  word, literally. This is fun.
• 1:40:46
  This is this is fun stuff right here man Hilarious.
• 1:40:51
  And all he can say to my wife was all anyone could say.
• 1:40:55
  Just a small little murmur. They don't really mean nothing.
• 1:41:00
  Like he ends this on a whimper man kind of pathetic.
• 1:41:03
  And honestly, I'm well aware of the linguistic issues and claims
• 1:41:07
  context is always the most reliable guide to
• 1:41:09
  interpretation, and yet I've failed to show any of that and
• 1:41:12
  anything I've argued this entire time, therefore wasting
• 1:41:15
  everyone's time, including my own.
• 1:41:17
  And anything I've argued, you know I lied to you.
• 1:41:19
  By the way, we have dessert, Truman Freight return.
• 1:41:23
  But we are. But we read his comment before.
• 1:41:26
  What I'm giving you now is the rabbi's response.
• 1:41:30
  Oh please, I couldn't get 2 words deep.
• 1:41:40
  I'm already laughing. Jews gave you the gospel dude.
• 1:41:45
  He also wrote the Bible you read, including the New
• 1:41:48
  Testament, correct? You're welcome.
• 1:41:51
  What makes you think that I hate the Messiah?
• 1:41:53
  He's my Oh yeah, yes that is how he would write that GD and
• 1:41:57
  Savior. Just because the previous verses
• 1:42:00
  talk about family members who are to marry doesn't demand that
• 1:42:03
  it isn't what it can be. That it is what verse 18 is
• 1:42:05
  talking about. It still fits the subject of
• 1:42:07
  type of people that are forbidden to us.
• 1:42:09
  In the case of verse 18, it's a woman who isn't our wives.
• 1:42:12
  I already addressed the laws regarding it's going to be
• 1:42:14
  regulating polygamy in the video.
• 1:42:17
  Actually hilarious. Actually hilarious.
• 1:42:20
  And then what happens? He defaults to the polygynous
• 1:42:24
  script. He doesn't deal with any of
• 1:42:26
  this, doesn't deal with any of this, actually Christ, who is a
• 1:42:29
  polygynous himself and what does he quote?
• 1:42:31
  Matthew 25 one and 13 stuff we've already debunked.
• 1:42:35
  Crazy work bro, Crazy work. See, he quotes it again Matthew
• 1:42:40
  1929, after I'd already defeated it in an earlier video.
• 1:42:46
  And to say playlist, you have to refute this stuff because sons
• 1:42:49
  of the devil don't quit unless they miraculously repent.
• 1:42:53
  They will just keep pushing the same nonsense to people that
• 1:42:56
  don't know them hoping to get a bite.
• 1:42:58
  Starting to feel second hand embarrassment for the idiocy of
• 1:43:01
  others. It's it's like they're already
• 1:43:04
  dead. Like stop, quit, quit speaking,
• 1:43:10
  please. You've killed yourself.
• 1:43:12
  Sword of the Lord, 777. Now it doesn't make sense to use
• 1:43:15
  Leviticus 1818 to say a man can't marry more than one woman
• 1:43:18
  because it would just plainly say do not marry more than one
• 1:43:21
  woman, marry only one woman. Like when it says don't sleep
• 1:43:24
  with animals, it says it plainly.
• 1:43:25
  So there's no need to also say don't sleep with two animals to
• 1:43:27
  start jealousy. That's a stupid argument, but
• 1:43:35
  it's not saying you can't sleep with women.
• 1:43:38
  Oh my God, don't sleep with animals.
• 1:43:46
  Oh my gosh, you're so stupid. Teaching the faith by making fun
• 1:43:50
  of stuff. That boy did I deliver on that
• 1:43:52
  tonight, my guy. Oh, and then, well, this part in
• 1:43:57
  Jeremiah 3, God calls Israel and Yehuda Israel and Judah his two
• 1:44:02
  wives, and we're going to spell out the word 2 instead of I was
• 1:44:06
  with the number instead of the word 2.
• 1:44:08
  And he calls them sisters. And in Ezekiel 23, God calls
• 1:44:12
  Ahola and all of, excuse me, Aholiva his two sister wives.
• 1:44:16
  Obviously God isn't describing himself as being something he
• 1:44:19
  doesn't like. Or maybe God's using
• 1:44:21
  metaphorical language, because sometimes that's how God speaks.
• 1:44:26
  Or maybe God. Or maybe God is describing
• 1:44:29
  himself as something he doesn't like because God also describes
• 1:44:33
  himself as a punisher of evil. But in the same book Ezekiel, he
• 1:44:36
  literally says he doesn't like to punish a wicked man more than
• 1:44:39
  he likes to restore a wicked man to life, but he will punish an
• 1:44:42
  evil man. So what are we talking about?
• 1:44:45
  Like everyone's a scholar till a scholar shows up.
• 1:44:51
  Like it's just it just is what it is man.
• 1:44:54
  And this is the other thing that he wanted to box with him all.
• 1:44:58
  OK, Rabbi Gershon banned polygyny for 1000 years.
• 1:45:02
  Only the Ashkenazi I guess only for the Ashkenazi Jews in in
• 1:45:06
  Europe. This wasn't for the Sephardic
• 1:45:08
  and Mizrahi Jews. The main reason was because of
• 1:45:12
  the European Roman Catholics and Protestants who were known for
• 1:45:14
  forcing celibacy, obliterating entire towns that practice
• 1:45:18
  polygyny, the Cathars and the like with extreme violence
• 1:45:21
  because they deserved it. The same people that didn't even
• 1:45:24
  give the public access to the Bible for a long time and
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  intentionally mistranslated Bibles.
• 1:45:30
  If you want fluent in Korna Greek and Biblical Hebrew, you
• 1:45:33
  can't have a complete genuine understanding of scripture.
• 1:45:35
  Martin Luther even said himself he would translate the Bible
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  into German from the Latin translation so the public could
• 1:45:40
  read and understand scripture for themselves.
• 1:45:42
  That part is correct because even some of the clergy didn't
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  know Latin. But then later King James came
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  along, God in heaven, and said he would translate the Bible to
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  English from the Old Testament, Masoretic, Hebrew in the New
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  Testament, Greek, even though Wickliffe Bibles and alike
• 1:45:57
  existed beforehand. Because he felt there was
• 1:45:59
  translation bias. Biased, but his translators were
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  biased too. This man has no business
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  standing on the corner of even listening to an academic
• 1:46:14
  argument. I don't want to scale you on
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  principle. I'm just going to let you try
• 1:46:23
  and navigate this without my aid this time because I figured out
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  what he was saying. But my my Lord.
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  Like OK, So what does that have to do with scripture?
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  Because a rabbi post the writing of scripture made a decision.
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  He's an uninspired source. Well.
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  This part is he's addressing when.
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  You mentioned that in the. Video.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's, he's addressing that.
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  But like you said, what's that got to do with our foundation of
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  the exegesis? I I don't know.
• 1:47:03
  I don't know now. And, and the whole thing with
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  the, the Catholic Church enforcing celibacy, I mean, OK,
• 1:47:10
  let's let's say that's true for a moment and a polygamy polygyny
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  is the correct way of reading scripture.
• 1:47:17
  What man in his right mind would do celibacy instead of polygyny
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  if that's what God intended? Yeah.
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  That's as a as a red blooded male.
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  Don't you think that sounds cool?
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  It's like, Oh well, God said I can do it, sign me up.
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  Why do you think we're arguing so hard against it?
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  Because we're so opposed to the idea on principle.
• 1:47:47
  Because we're opposed to coitus. Sure, man.
• 1:47:51
  Like we're, we're so opposed to coitus.
• 1:47:53
  We keep popping out all these baby Christians.
• 1:47:57
  But those asexual, aromantic Catholics, they ruined it for
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  everyone else. And Martin Luther, he's this,
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  he's the son of asexuals in this regard.
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  I suppose so. A son of Satan for them because
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  he didn't also practice polygamy.
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  And it's tough, man. It's tough, man.
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  I love how he like just dodges most of this and just goes right
• 1:48:15
  back to what I think is the core issue to debunk him on.
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  Says Axis. Maybe it was just, you know,
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  Ashkenazin, but still still hardly any.
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  I don't know of any Sephardim or Mizrachim who practiced
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  polygamy. Also you are you fluent in Greek
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  and Hebrew? Like that's the thing for me
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  bro. I'm like, I'm still on the fact
• 1:48:37
  that you claim to have read read the Masoretic text and the
• 1:48:41
  Septuagint. So you just so you just went
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  online, found the manuscripts and used like you didn't use any
• 1:48:48
  online dictionary to help you out.
• 1:48:50
  You just read the thing. Ain't no way.
• 1:48:53
  Ain't no way. Of both available to me, not
• 1:48:56
  even on the Internet, just nearby, I could pick them up.
• 1:48:59
  You know what? I'd go oh wait I need my strongs
• 1:49:02
  because I don't read either one. Like, like crazy work.
• 1:49:08
  These people, man. Absolutely crazy work.
• 1:49:10
  Now, as usual, let's clear the air.
• 1:49:13
  Let's land the plane with some sense from again our hero
• 1:49:19
  Emily's Shoop. Oh my gosh.
• 1:49:25
  OK, OK, let's land the plane, bro.
• 1:49:28
  Let's land the plane. OK, thanks for all your hard
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  work on this topic. I believe the Cervo dude is the
• 1:49:35
  author Tom Shipley. And I confirmed that when I
• 1:49:39
  chased it down, I found him. I found stuff.
• 1:49:42
  The original Poly pal that I went after, Rich Tidwell, cited
• 1:49:45
  Cerrevo and said his book, Cerrevo's book, and then he
• 1:49:50
  posted one of Tom Shipley's books from Amazon.
• 1:49:52
  So confirmed you are Tom Shipley.
• 1:49:56
  That's what we call a citation, quoting something that agrees
• 1:50:00
  with the argument. Got them.
• 1:50:03
  I figured out that another Polly pal, which is where we got the
• 1:50:05
  term from. Because once again, thank you,
• 1:50:07
  sweet Angel, for who you are. Yep, you.
• 1:50:09
  You named the playlist Amazing. Incredible.
• 1:50:13
  Yeah. Rob Kowalski posted some of his
• 1:50:16
  comments on his Facebook page and they were the same ones from
• 1:50:19
  YouTube under Saravo. I have followed some of these
• 1:50:21
  Polly Pals and they disagree about so many other topics IE
• 1:50:24
  becoming Torah observant. Some say slavery is OK because
• 1:50:27
  it was regulating the Mosaic law too.
• 1:50:29
  Hebrew is elite slash the Hebrew roots movement which is his own
• 1:50:32
  thing and who the real Jews are. The doctrine of the Trinity.
• 1:50:35
  The doctrine of the Trinity. I told you bro, like the well
• 1:50:39
  runs deep bro. That's why I'm giving myself a
• 1:50:42
  limit on the number of episodes because I got other things to
• 1:50:45
  do. Just when you think people can't
• 1:50:47
  slip any lower and their only point of agreement seems to be
• 1:50:52
  polygamy because their foundation Amen is polygamy and
• 1:50:57
  not Christ Amen. Again Sue Cooker which is
• 1:51:02
  contrary to scripture. I am so glad you quoted the that
• 1:51:06
  marriage contract. Mike Winger covers that in one
• 1:51:09
  of his videos too. There is some awesome evidence
• 1:51:12
  from the Dead Sea Scrolls, IE the Temple Scroll and the
• 1:51:14
  Damascus scrolls. Specifically from the scenes, a
• 1:51:16
  Jewish sect who were from Qumran that understood Leviticus 1818
• 1:51:21
  and Deuteronomy 1717 to be a direct ban on polygamy.
• 1:51:25
  The Dead Sea Scrolls are dated before Christ like the great
• 1:51:27
  Isaiah Scroll, and prove that there were Jewish people who
• 1:51:29
  understood Genesis 224 to mean marriage was meant to be
• 1:51:32
  monogamous based on scripture and God's divine design of it.
• 1:51:36
  These Poly pals elevate some of the actions of the patriarchs
• 1:51:39
  over Christ's clear teachings about marriage to the point that
• 1:51:42
  they want to emulate these acts. This can be those actions for
• 1:51:44
  themselves. They're not following Christ or
• 1:51:46
  under the new covenant. Actually, some of them, like
• 1:51:48
  Pete Rambo, don't even believe we are under the New covenant
• 1:51:51
  yet, which is a wild take. These men are led by the flesh,
• 1:51:57
  not the Holy Spirit, and they are false teachers.
• 1:52:00
  Amen. Again, sister, take a breather
• 1:52:02
  and a break from these. These false teachers are not
• 1:52:05
  going anywhere. Be blessed.
• 1:52:07
  That was the only part I disagreed with.
• 1:52:09
  Take a breather and a break, understand why she said that,
• 1:52:12
  but she really doesn't know me. Like Nah fam, They're the new
• 1:52:19
  obsession bro we're having. We're having fun here.
• 1:52:22
  These. Same fools would call her up
• 1:52:25
  Biblical feminist, a dirty, dirty word.
• 1:52:30
  As if women had no rights whatsoever.
• 1:52:32
  As if there is no feminism within scripture itself.
• 1:52:35
  But we are not conservative when we say that.
• 1:52:38
  We we're dirty liberals when we say that.
• 1:52:40
  Bro, this is this crazy, man. It's crazy.
• 1:52:43
  I said it here too. I said.
• 1:52:45
  I didn't think my little channel would ever attract any big fish
• 1:52:47
  like that though. But like I said, man, all hail
• 1:52:50
  the Spirit who gives us the mind of Christ to expose their bad
• 1:52:53
  arguments for what they are, teachings of demons given
• 1:52:56
  through liars with seared consciences.
• 1:52:59
  First Timothy chapter 4, verses 1 and 2.
• 1:53:01
  But look, I remember this. The pit runs deeper.
• 1:53:05
  There's a reason why I used the corn example earlier.
• 1:53:07
  There's a reason why it wasn't random.
• 1:53:09
  Yet it's not just a YouTube thing.
• 1:53:11
  Maybe you were aware of this, but I forgot to mention some men
• 1:53:14
  in this Polly push think viewing corn is OK as long as the
• 1:53:16
  Whitman in it are single. They waffle on what the
• 1:53:19
  definition of sin actually is because they want to justify
• 1:53:22
  themselves. They believe women with women
• 1:53:26
  acts as OK are OK as long as they are married to the same
• 1:53:29
  man. An underage marriage is a OK
• 1:53:32
  even though this is that is morally wrong in a crime.
• 1:53:34
  Amen. Which clearly contradicts the
• 1:53:37
  conduct of believers concerning how they are to interact with
• 1:53:39
  the governing authorities in Romans 13.
• 1:53:41
  Amen. Again.
• 1:53:42
  Then these same polygamists have the audacity to say this is not
• 1:53:45
  about the flesh. This is just how we are wired in
• 1:53:47
  design and sin anyway. Take care and stay strong in the
• 1:53:51
  Lord. Yep.
• 1:53:52
  And then I, you know, we connected through e-mail.
• 1:53:54
  She gave me the, the down low on all these fools.
• 1:53:59
  And you know, that led to, you know, what we see in, in our, in
• 1:54:04
  our comment section today? It's, it's, it's really amazing,
• 1:54:09
  really freaking incredible. And then last comment, cuz I
• 1:54:12
  want someone sensible to have the last word.
• 1:54:14
  She gave us a comment underneath the rabbi interview.
• 1:54:17
  Really good stuff. I really appreciate that you ask
• 1:54:20
  your guests about what the gospel is first, because that
• 1:54:22
  truly is the most important thing.
• 1:54:24
  Well said. I enjoyed listening to both of
• 1:54:26
  your insights and I especially learned a lot from Rabbi Naftali
• 1:54:28
  bin Abrahim with him being an actual Jewish scholar.
• 1:54:32
  The reality is that most of these Polly pushers are not even
• 1:54:34
  Jewish who don't even speak Hebrew, but they claim to be the
• 1:54:36
  best source on the subject and insist that they understand this
• 1:54:40
  unearthed truth that has been lost and hidden.
• 1:54:43
  We already talked about that earlier.
• 1:54:44
  The fact is the scripture is direct and clear on this topic,
• 1:54:47
  but they don't like the plain truth so they twist and turn it
• 1:54:50
  to say what they want it to. Precisely when you ended this
• 1:54:55
  the conversation with referencing this topic as a
• 1:54:57
  polygamy dilemma. I don't know if that was
• 1:54:59
  intentional or not, but it reminds me of the Islamic
• 1:55:01
  dilemma that the Muslims face with the Quran.
• 1:55:03
  I'm not original, I'm just a guy.
• 1:55:08
  Faced with the Quran that actually speaks well of the
• 1:55:10
  Bible and tells the Jews and Christians to follow their own
• 1:55:12
  scriptures, these polypeeps need to honestly examine the motives
• 1:55:16
  of their hearts and what is driving them in this pursuit of
• 1:55:19
  the flesh. They need to follow the entirety
• 1:55:22
  of the scriptures they claim to uphold and surrender to the
• 1:55:25
  Savior. It would be interesting to ask
• 1:55:28
  Rabbi Naftali's opinion on Isaiah 4 because that is a
• 1:55:31
  passage I've seen commonly used by these dudes in support of
• 1:55:34
  Polly. And some even go as far as to
• 1:55:36
  say it's an end time prophecy that will be fulfilled soon
• 1:55:39
  because we have the many end times eschatology and this at
• 1:55:42
  some point I guess. And it's coming because women
• 1:55:45
  will need men to protect them after the coming calamity, and
• 1:55:48
  there won't be enough men. Which is a.
• 1:55:50
  Wild fuck. By the way, I did privately ask
• 1:55:55
  Rabbi Naftali his opinion on that.
• 1:55:58
  He didn't even deem it like I mean he might comment on it
• 1:56:01
  later because he's more neurotic than me but as of now his
• 1:56:05
  opinion was that's stupid. I second that he's a wise man.
• 1:56:15
  He's just asked. He was like, is this really the
• 1:56:18
  level of the people that you interact with?
• 1:56:20
  Yes, yes. I think it is their version of
• 1:56:24
  the rapture date setting craze. As someone who's grown up
• 1:56:34
  Southern Baptist, evangelical to the core, I have never
• 1:56:38
  identified with a comment more I I have lost the potential to
• 1:56:44
  have jobs in my search to become a pastor because of this fairy
• 1:56:49
  thing that we argue about to this day.
• 1:56:51
  If you don't have the same eschatology of some of these
• 1:56:53
  churches, they don't want you because clearly it's obvious
• 1:56:56
  what it should be even though it's not.
• 1:57:02
  But instead they are predicting and date setting events that
• 1:57:04
  will allow them to hoard women and they will become God slash
• 1:57:07
  savior to women or something like that.
• 1:57:10
  I guess that's yeah, that's probably how they view
• 1:57:11
  themselves. Ezekiel 23 is also used and
• 1:57:14
  abused also. Great.
• 1:57:15
  We were putting that by these guys to say God has two wives.
• 1:57:20
  We need to talk about the world mission fellowship of Jesus, God
• 1:57:25
  or whatever it is the crazy Korean cult.
• 1:57:28
  I've world mission society, Church of God or something like
• 1:57:31
  that. I met them in college.
• 1:57:32
  They are a wild, absolutely wild in their beliefs in a mother.
• 1:57:35
  God, if you want to do about it, sure man.
• 1:57:38
  You know we'll schedule it in. Make it another episode, bro.
• 1:57:41
  Teaching the faith by making fun of stuff, bro.
• 1:57:43
  I got to find a snappy name for that, but it can be you a nice
• 1:57:46
  thing. Trust me, there's a lot of
• 1:57:48
  nonsense that needs to be made fun of.
• 1:57:52
  As you know in our discovery, there's a lot to this topic.
• 1:57:55
  At any rate, thank you for what you are doing and we will
• 1:57:57
  continue praying. God bless and God bless you.
• 1:58:02
  Amen. It's so very rare to see someone
• 1:58:06
  willing to fight for this as well as she does.
• 1:58:10
  And like, I'm not just trying to like gas her up.
• 1:58:12
  Like, I mean, what I'm saying when I say this, not just
• 1:58:15
  because she agrees with our position, but because she's
• 1:58:18
  willing to do this and be publicly ridiculed for it.
• 1:58:22
  Like, that's the gospel right there.
• 1:58:24
  The willingness to fight, knowing people are going to look
• 1:58:27
  down upon you for speaking truth.
• 1:58:30
  Amen, Amen. You know, like I said, I just,
• 1:58:34
  I'm, I'm big on body unity. So like whenever I see someone
• 1:58:41
  that's just like you said, like just doing the work, you know
• 1:58:44
  the phrase that Christian likes to use all the time, I will
• 1:58:48
  shower praise and awesome jobs. Keep it.
• 1:58:52
  Like the way I will cheer for my Golden State Warriors and OK C
• 1:58:56
  Thunder and whatever team in New York Knicks, like my three teams
• 1:58:59
  right now, the way I will cheer for them.
• 1:59:01
  I will cheer like that for you if you're a Christian that's out
• 1:59:04
  there doing work, bro. Just like it, bro.
• 1:59:08
  I'll be like, look at him, bro. Cross them over.
• 1:59:10
  Has he hesitation dribble off the glass got him.
• 1:59:13
  That's how I'd be like with these people like like watching
• 1:59:16
  other Christians do the work. I'd be like, look at him, look
• 1:59:18
  at him. He's navigating.
• 1:59:19
  Yep, slip it. Yep, slip the insult.
• 1:59:21
  Slip that insult. Yep, attack their fake
• 1:59:23
  scholarship. Yep, hit him with the scripture.
• 1:59:24
  Yam on him, bro. That's how we do bro.
• 1:59:29
  God says that the manifold wisdom of God is made known to
• 1:59:33
  the heavenly realms through us. Which is part of the reason why
• 1:59:38
  we debate and knock down these bad theologies.
• 1:59:42
  Not just for the good of our fellow man who is being snake
• 1:59:45
  bitten across the world by this nonsense, but also for the glory
• 1:59:49
  of God. To glorify God in the heavenly
• 1:59:52
  realms. So that when the angels of God
• 1:59:56
  appear before God, Allah, Job and God says to them, have you
• 2:00:00
  considered my servants in the churches, there will be a truly
• 2:00:05
  humiliating report on their attempts to dupe the Saints of
• 2:00:09
  God before the throne of God. Yeah, yeah, we've tried, you
• 2:00:14
  know, we, we, we, we've tried knocking your Christians off
• 2:00:19
  God. But but they're taking up their
• 2:00:21
  crosses down there and they're not to be messed with.
• 2:00:25
  And the Son of Man is seated on the throne, and he says.
• 2:00:28
  Yeah, yeah, say it again. And will you say it again?
• 2:00:33
  Hand me your kneecap, Get down on bended knee and say it again.
• 2:00:39
  Because the Lamb is worthy to receive the reward of this
• 2:00:42
  suffering. But we land on one last joke
• 2:00:44
  from the apostle Paul, First Timothy, chapter 1, verses 6 and
• 2:00:50
  seven. Christian, take it away, OK?
• 2:00:54
  Certain persons, by swerving from these, they of course being
• 2:00:58
  are charged, being loved, that is, from a pure heart, Good
• 2:01:00
  conscience is here. Faith have wandered away into
• 2:01:03
  vain discussion, desiring to be teachers of the law without
• 2:01:07
  understanding either what they are saying or the things about
• 2:01:10
  which they make confident assertions.
• 2:01:15
  Amen and Amen, you know. Amen and Amen, y'all.
• 2:01:21
  I'm like, bro, this, this is a this is a hilarious episode.
• 2:01:25
  I'm a pray and then Christian. I actually want you to I think
• 2:01:29
  an episode like this is actually more fitting for your outro than
• 2:01:32
  mine. So I'm a pray and then I want
• 2:01:35
  you to say your usual thing, man, however you want to say it.
• 2:01:37
  All right, let me. Let me bring that up.
• 2:01:40
  I understand. I understand, bro.
• 2:01:41
  Oh man. Holy Father, righteous Son, King
• 2:01:45
  of the universe and Spirit of God who gives the new birth,
• 2:01:48
  thank you, thank you, thank you for every fruit that grows on
• 2:01:51
  the vine and especially the fruit that you grow and prune
• 2:01:54
  within us. God, thank you for through the
• 2:01:58
  machinations of your spirit working through your body is
• 2:02:01
  just your one flesh, delivering them into multiple hands of your
• 2:02:06
  Saints, bro, for ridicule and mockery to the glory of God.
• 2:02:11
  And really hopefully, we pray that any of these dudes that are
• 2:02:15
  being foolish right now would learn to become wise in Messiah
• 2:02:19
  Jesus and leave this foolishness behind.
• 2:02:22
  But primarily God, we pray that you would use this content to
• 2:02:25
  protect your sheep and empower them to go out and ravage.
• 2:02:31
  The Wolves. Out there in the world.
• 2:02:34
  So your name we pray. Thank you and Amen, Christian.
• 2:02:37
  Take it away, brother. We're in Saints.
• 2:02:41
  With all that in mind, God bless you in accordance to His will
• 2:02:44
  and not mine. Allow me one more time to remind
• 2:02:46
  you, let nothing move you. Amen.
• 2:02:50
  Go in peace.