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Jags A.M. Podcast Ep. 92: Trevor Voicing Authority, Urgency & More After Browns Loss · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: It's not who we are, you know. I mean these guys, coaches,
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Speaker 1: players have worked too hard during the week. And listen,
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Speaker 1: you know that's a good that's a good defense. It's
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Speaker 1: a really good defense, probably one of the best in
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Speaker 1: the league. And if there's a measuring stick, then then
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Speaker 1: we didn't. We didn't measure up very well today and
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Speaker 1: something we got to look at and uh, there's too much.
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Speaker 1: There's too much talent, I think. I mean, there's just
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Speaker 1: there's signs of it, but just not not consistent enough.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to jag Zam this Monday, and Kennannie Stevens, Brian Sexton,
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Speaker 2: and John Osier are with me today. We have a
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Speaker 2: whole lot to talk about an absolutely disastrous home opener
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Speaker 2: for the Jags as they fall to the Browns yesterday.
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Speaker 3: Big thing number one, when range it.
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Speaker 2: Pours, that applies to the weather and it applies the
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Speaker 2: way this football team is playing right now.
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Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence tried to sum things up.
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Speaker 4: I mean, we suck right now. So I don't pretty shocked.
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Speaker 4: You know, obviously this isn't We had a great off season,
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Speaker 4: great training camp, and we gotta figure it out. So
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Speaker 4: we know we we we got a good group. We
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Speaker 4: got good players and it can be a good, really
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Speaker 4: good offense, but clearly we're not. So everybody's gotta take accountability.
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Speaker 4: Oh accountability, look in the mirror and fix it. You know,
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Speaker 4: I I gotta play better. And the leader of this offense,
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Speaker 4: it's tell me. You know, if a white else gott
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Speaker 4: play better, the lines got play better, run MEAs gott
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Speaker 4: play better. Got to coach better. Mean's everybody, honestly, but
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Speaker 4: you know we're standing around. We gotta take we gotta
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Speaker 4: take charge or standing around waiting on somebody to make
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Speaker 4: a play. Defense is playing their ass off the last
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Speaker 4: two weeks. If if the team doesn't score more than
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Speaker 4: twenty points in US we should win every week. We
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Speaker 4: can't finish in the red zone today. Too many mistakes
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Speaker 4: now in and out the huddle communication will be good.
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's just it's a lot of things and
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Speaker 4: you know, fortunately and unfortunately it's what fishes you off
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Speaker 4: after they had a lot of it. We control but
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Speaker 4: you know we control it, but we're not doing it right.
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Speaker 4: So until we do it right, it's a it's a
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Speaker 4: different story.
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Speaker 2: So Brian had to let Trevor sound off a little
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Speaker 2: bit there because he touched on a lot of it.
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Speaker 2: It was everything yesterday. It wasn't just one thing. We
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Speaker 2: can complain about one thing, but it was a lot
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Speaker 2: of things.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it felt kay like I was watching last year's
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Speaker 5: home opener against Kansas City, where the defense played well enough,
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Speaker 5: in fact, ironic, they held Kansas City to eighteen points,
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Speaker 5: the same amount that the Brown scored yesterday, and the
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Speaker 5: offense was just maniacally painfully difficult to watch. And it
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Speaker 5: was it was so many different things. This offense is
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Speaker 5: supposed to be, if not explosive, effective productive. They put
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Speaker 5: the weapons in place, They talked about the offensive line
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Speaker 5: being better, and they were during the preseason in training camp.
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Speaker 5: You felt like this was ready to take a step forward.
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Speaker 5: And I'm not saying Evan Ingram not playing. I don't
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Speaker 5: believe that that was that significant of an issue. They
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Speaker 5: should have been able to overcome it. In fact, you
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Speaker 5: saw Brenton Strange step up and make a couple of
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Speaker 5: catches and they used lu Ferrell as well. So, man,
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Speaker 5: the list is long. The complaint list is long today
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Speaker 5: for an offense that the defense is played pretty well
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Speaker 5: two weeks in a row. They were't perfect. They didn't
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Speaker 5: get any turnovers for the second straight week. But when
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Speaker 5: you hold a team to eighteen points, damn, you should
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Speaker 5: be able to score more than that with an offense
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Speaker 5: that was built John to be able to do more
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Speaker 5: than that.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, the defense played well enough.
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Speaker 7: I also in watching the game this morning, and the
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Speaker 7: defense allowed the Browns to be on the field for
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Speaker 7: twenty minutes in the first half, which really allowed the
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Speaker 7: Browns to be in control.
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Speaker 6: Of the game.
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Speaker 7: They had like twenty three to twenty four plays long drive.
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Speaker 7: So yes, the defense was good enough. I think the
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Speaker 7: defense would tell you we can't let the Browns own
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Speaker 7: the game the way it felt like they did.
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Speaker 6: I was encouraged by Trevor. Uh. I'll have more to
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Speaker 6: say about that later in the show. Uh.
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Speaker 7: He was mad for a reason. He's the one who
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Speaker 7: has to stand up there every week. He's the one
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Speaker 7: who has to take the heat, and I get that
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Speaker 7: he's paid well to do it. But beyond that, he
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Speaker 7: yesterday really showed the kind of emotion leadership whatever. After
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Speaker 7: the game, he's tired of it. Uh, fans are tired
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Speaker 7: of Everybody should be tired of it.
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Speaker 6: Uh. I thought going into this game it was.
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Speaker 7: A big game, because I I thought, really good teams
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Speaker 7: come out and show what they are in week two.
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Speaker 6: Jarwards aren't really good right now.
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Speaker 2: It's true we suck right now. According to Trevor, at
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Speaker 2: least our second big thing today is gonna be.
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Speaker 3: Take your shot, Brian.
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Speaker 2: We talked about what Brian Thomas Junior has done in
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Speaker 2: the season opener. You only have four targets yesterday. How
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Speaker 2: do you get him more involved in this offense? Does
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Speaker 2: it just come down to the offensive line couldn't give
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Speaker 2: Trevor enough time.
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Speaker 3: To find him?
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Speaker 2: Or do you need to force the ball to Brian
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Speaker 2: Thomas Junior a little bit more?
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Speaker 5: Brian? Uh, listen, I've always i I kind of scoffed
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Speaker 5: at the idea of making it about play calling all
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Speaker 5: of the time. But philosophically speaking, let's get the ball
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Speaker 5: down the field. I mean, why did they wait so
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Speaker 5: long to even take a shot? They were the first
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Speaker 5: drive right they're putting the ball sideways and running it again.
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Speaker 5: I don't want to say, because I've always believed that
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Speaker 5: a good play is one that works in a bad
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Speaker 5: play is one that doesn't an execution. But philosophically speaking,
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Speaker 5: why did it seem like they waited until the middle
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Speaker 5: to the end of the third quarter to send the
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Speaker 5: ball down the field and at least send the message
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Speaker 5: to the Browns. Fred Taylor and I were talking yesterday.
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Speaker 5: It's really easy to play safety against a defense a
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Speaker 5: pardon me for a defense against an offense that they're
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Speaker 5: not sending the ball deep. You just know everything's in
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Speaker 5: front of you. You don't have to worry about it.
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Speaker 5: Let's make him worry a little bit. Send it deep.
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Speaker 5: The catch that that kid made is the all pro
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Speaker 5: kind of catch that we've been waiting to see from
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Speaker 5: a receiver.
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Speaker 4: Here.
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Speaker 5: He's I was wrong about. I thought he was going
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Speaker 5: to be a good draft pick. He's a great looking
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Speaker 5: draft pick.
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Speaker 6: Use him.
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Speaker 5: Send the ball, make it easier for everyone underneath.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm sure we'll see Bryan Thomas Junior is playing
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Speaker 7: the highlights. But it was otherworldly acceleration that I want
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Speaker 7: to see a few guys ever do that in thirty
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Speaker 7: years covering the league. Yeah, they've got to throw down
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Speaker 7: feel a little more. I think early on and early
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Speaker 7: on in the season, they've been trying to let things
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Speaker 7: happen organically. They didn't run poorly yesterday. They ran the
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Speaker 7: way you run in the NFL, which is they got
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Speaker 7: yards in spots. They had some losses, but overall you felt,
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Speaker 7: or I felt the whole game like they were able
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Speaker 7: to run well enough at some point, though, this offense
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Speaker 7: does need to.
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Speaker 6: Not always sort of let it come to him.
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Speaker 7: You saw the benefit of taking shots when you've got
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Speaker 7: a guy like BTJ and frankly Gabe Davis. Those two
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Speaker 7: guys we talked about vertical shots all off season.
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Speaker 6: I think they do need to take a few.
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Speaker 7: More and maybe not let it always happen organically, which
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Speaker 7: is the way they like to.
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Speaker 6: Run this offense.
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Speaker 2: Our final big thing today is going to be how
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Speaker 2: about a stop? John You mentioned it a little bit.
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Speaker 2: Played well, but they could play better. A lot of
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Speaker 2: it was possession time. When you have the Browns chewing
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Speaker 2: up a whole drive, nine minute long drive to get
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Speaker 2: that touchdown. It reminded me a little bit of last
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Speaker 2: year when it was kind of Ben don't break in
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Speaker 2: the sense of, yeah, they're not playing bad, but we
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Speaker 2: need them to play a little bit differently, maybe a
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Speaker 2: turnover something like that to get the ball back, because
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Speaker 2: I felt there was a lot of blame that could
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Speaker 2: go around to everyone on the team.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, look, I'm not considering say the defense played bad.
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Speaker 7: They didn't play bad, and absolutely, when you give up
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Speaker 7: eighteen in the NFL, that's good enough to win. In
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Speaker 7: the first it felt, though, like the Browns were able
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Speaker 7: to keep that game the way they wanted to play it.
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Speaker 7: They were fine with a low scoring game once they
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Speaker 7: got up. Once they were up thirteen to three, I
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Speaker 7: think I'm sure if I'm on the Browns coaching staff,
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Speaker 7: I'm understandably saying, all right, I'm up. I'm up thirteen
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Speaker 7: to three, sixteen to three, even sixteen to ten late
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Speaker 7: in the game, I'm gonna take my chances. This team
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Speaker 7: hasn't moved the ball well all day, they probably won't
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Speaker 7: move well late. So I think that was sort of
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Speaker 7: the Browns. They had the upper hand. They were okay
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Speaker 7: to play that way because they had the upper hand.
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Speaker 7: And in the first half there was just a couple
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Speaker 7: of instances where you felt like the Jaguars defense could
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Speaker 7: have gotten them off the field when they didn't. But overall,
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Speaker 7: i mean, look, it was a good day for the
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Speaker 7: defense overall.
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Speaker 5: But it was they didn't get quite enough pressure, right,
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Speaker 5: I mean, you're talking about backup offensive tackles, and at
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Speaker 5: one point they had the third team tackle in on
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Speaker 5: the right side, and the Jaguars still couldn't affect the
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Speaker 5: quarterback enough. There were moments where you would see Josh
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Speaker 5: Allen or Trey Von Walker or Eric Armstead getting towards
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Speaker 5: the quarterback, and then Deshaun Watson would do what he
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Speaker 5: always seems to do against this team, and you know,
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Speaker 5: shuffle his feet and get free and stay alive enough
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Speaker 5: to make a play. I mean, that's gonna happen. They
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Speaker 5: didn't get a turnover for the second straight week. That
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Speaker 5: has to change. Imagine if they had been able to.
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Speaker 5: They forced them to punch John five times in six
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Speaker 5: second half possessions. They got the ball back for the
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Speaker 5: offense twice in the last two minutes. And yet if
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Speaker 5: maybe they had gotten turnover when the ball was there
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Speaker 5: for them to take, perhaps they get the ball a
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Speaker 5: short field and they can go down and make something happen.
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Speaker 5: The defense played well enough to win, there's obviously a
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Speaker 5: lot of room for them to play at a much
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Speaker 5: higher level. I'm sure we'll hear that from Ryan Nielsen
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Speaker 5: when he talks later this week.
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Speaker 1: To sign up today, Well, I'm at a loss because
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Speaker 1: we've been together for a while now, right, and we
9:54
Speaker 1: shouldn't be we shouldn't be playing the way we're playing.
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Speaker 1: We shouldn't be coaching the way we're coaching. So I
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Speaker 1: take accountability, you know there, and it starts with me,
10:03
Speaker 1: so and then and then it goes to you know,
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Speaker 1: then goes to the assistant coaches and players. But I
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Speaker 1: just know that we're just we're we're a better football
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Speaker 1: team than what we played today.
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Speaker 2: BT Karen jag Dam. This morning, we're gonna look at
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Speaker 2: some of the tape from yesterday. I'm not gonna call
10:24
Speaker 2: it highlights because not all of it is, but some
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Speaker 2: good things, but other things they need to work on.
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Speaker 2: So We talked a lot about Deshaun Watson, what that
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Speaker 2: matchup was going to be, not letting Deshaun Watson turn
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Speaker 2: back into old Deshaun Watson. But they had trouble wrapping
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Speaker 2: him up. He got sacked six times the week before,
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Speaker 2: only got to him about twice, got around him a lot.
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Speaker 2: But then he did Deshaun Watson. Things started rolling out
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Speaker 2: and doing all kinds of stuff.
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Speaker 5: This is the play that drove me absolutely crazy. There
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Speaker 5: are defenders all around, they're looking at Watson. I mean,
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Speaker 5: if there's just a situational awareness, there's somebody can blow
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Speaker 5: up the guy with the ball or make.
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Speaker 2: The interception right to go for it, you gotta get it.
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Speaker 2: And then setting up plays like this.
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Speaker 3: Where right there, but they're not there.
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Speaker 2: And I know he's elusive, but we haven't seen a
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Speaker 2: ton of that from him recently. So to not be
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Speaker 2: able to get home against the Seawan Watson definitely let
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Speaker 2: these drives continue.
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Speaker 7: It felt like the closest they came to a turnover
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Speaker 7: yesterday was here. You know, one thing with a player
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Speaker 7: like Shawn Watson, when you have a mobile guy. The
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Speaker 7: Jaguars have a few really really good pass rushers. Their
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Speaker 7: issue last year, and I don't want to call it
11:31
Speaker 7: an issue yet this year we haven't seen enough was
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Speaker 7: that sometimes they didn't rush in what you might call waves.
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Speaker 7: One guy getting through against a guy like Watson, you
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Speaker 7: have to have pressure sort of everywhere to contain it.
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Speaker 7: They weren't great there last year. I don't really want
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Speaker 7: to say they're not great at that this year, but
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Speaker 7: they didn't.
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Speaker 6: They didn't get that yesterday.
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Speaker 5: Well, if I watched and I felt the same thing,
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Speaker 5: and Ryan Neilson could probably come in here and tell
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Speaker 5: us what the defense is designed to do, and maybe
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Speaker 5: there's someone else. But there were a couple of times
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Speaker 5: where Trayvonn and Eric Armsta both got pushed inside right,
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Speaker 5: the rush took them inside and they gave up containment.
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Speaker 5: You have to with a guy like Watson, you got
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Speaker 5: to keep him in the pocket.
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Speaker 6: Period.
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Speaker 2: Really, let's look at one of the Jaguar's offensive possessions.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of frustration we saw on different drives
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Speaker 2: throughout the day with them, but just Trevor not having
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Speaker 2: a ton of time letting things to let things develop
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Speaker 2: down the field, which is we want to see more
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Speaker 2: vertical offense.
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Speaker 3: But he didn't have a ton of time to do that.
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Speaker 2: He almost picked there and then Trevor getting a little frustrated,
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Speaker 2: think this when he rips off the run here after this.
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Speaker 2: But it is it just the offensive line? Is there
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Speaker 2: more than that? Is it the play calling? Is it
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Speaker 2: all the things combined here?
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Speaker 7: Well, it's hard to say line didn't play great yesterday
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Speaker 7: in some really key spots.
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Speaker 6: I mean again, maybe they seemed to run.
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Speaker 7: Block well, but there were it feel it felt to me,
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Speaker 7: even if we watched the game, there were too many
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Speaker 7: sort of Katie by the door, maybe Katie barre the
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Speaker 7: door moments where you knew you needed to play. They
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Speaker 7: got some good protection at times. They get some good
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Speaker 7: protection on the long pass. He had some moments where
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Speaker 7: he had time and didn't convert it. But in some
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Speaker 7: big moments even the safety didn't feel like realistically it
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Speaker 7: was time for him to set up.
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Speaker 5: No, And look, this is a great fight, right, I mean,
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Speaker 5: we know who is it. Darius Smith on the other
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Speaker 5: side of Miles Garrett is really really good. I wouldn't
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Speaker 5: be surprised if the question isn't asked, and if they're
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Speaker 5: not talking about it in their own rooms this week
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Speaker 5: about making a couple of changes on the offensive line.
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Speaker 5: You can do it. You've got two guys in Walker
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Speaker 5: Little and Cooper Hodges that you could put into the
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Speaker 5: lineup that I at least think might make you better.
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Speaker 5: And you're going up to Buffalo where you've got von
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Speaker 5: Miller and Ed Oliver and Gregor ru Rousseau. So you're
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Speaker 5: going to see another really good defensive line that gets
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Speaker 5: pressure on the quarterback. Ask the Dolphins right about the
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Speaker 5: pressure that the Bill's brought on Thursday night football. I
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Speaker 5: would be thinking, normally, John, you can't make changes to
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Speaker 5: the offensive line. You just don't have enough guys. You
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Speaker 5: have them here, I would be thinking about that.
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Speaker 7: Now I'm with you, and I usually am not changed
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Speaker 7: for the sake of change, guy, but this feels like
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Speaker 7: you need to try something.
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Speaker 5: First series of the third quarter, Cam Robinson gave up
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Speaker 5: the pressure on two of those three drags, go three
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Speaker 5: and out, blunting any sort of you know, early momentum
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Speaker 5: in the second half. That was when I just started thinking, well, okay,
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Speaker 5: maybe it's time for walking a little to get an opportunity.
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Speaker 2: A couple of the sacks on Trevor. I'm not against
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Speaker 2: the changes. I'm open to changes as well, But some
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Speaker 2: of it's got to be philosophy as well. They do
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Speaker 2: some of these plays designed where they're trying to pull
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Speaker 2: people and they go over to pull and then the
14:41
Speaker 2: person's running right by them right there. That's strategic things
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Speaker 2: as well, right, So that's coaching. We talked a lot
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Speaker 2: about that. So even with the changes, if they're still
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Speaker 2: trying to do this, is that going to help?
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Speaker 5: You're right, You're right. All of that has to be evaluated,
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Speaker 5: and perhaps someone else in the lineup gives you the
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Speaker 5: strength and the fortitude to be able to go ahead change.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I gotta get him looked. Yeah, Yeah, that's the job. Yeah.
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Speaker 7: Uh so, But I don't blame but that one.
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Speaker 5: I mean, he gave up the sack. That's a great
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Speaker 5: player who made a great play.
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Speaker 7: It happened, yeah, I And all of this should be
15:16
Speaker 7: couched by I think the fact they played poorly in
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Speaker 7: the second half against Miami. The Browns are capable of
15:23
Speaker 7: this kind of a game against a high functioning offense.
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Speaker 7: Uh The issue for the Jaguars yesterday, from what everybody
15:29
Speaker 7: said after.
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Speaker 6: The game, it was not high functioning.
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Speaker 7: You could see it when you are having delay of
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Speaker 7: game or the potential delay of game penalties, the clunkiness,
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Speaker 7: and it was clunky at times, waiting until the last
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Speaker 7: second before you get a snap.
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Speaker 6: Uh.
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Speaker 7: This was not a high functioning offense yesterday, and when
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Speaker 7: you do it against the Browns, then you've got real trouble.
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Speaker 5: But that offensive line performance yesterday made me feel like
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Speaker 5: that San Francisco game last November, where it was it
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Speaker 5: felt like Katie barred the door at all times. It wasn't.
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Speaker 5: I know, we had the chance to get it off,
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Speaker 5: but it just didn't feel like they were able to
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Speaker 5: shet the tempo up front, that they were able to
16:02
Speaker 5: control the line of scrimmage. And if you can't get
16:05
Speaker 5: that done, you got to consider options.
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Speaker 2: My highlight from yesterday, at least I'm sure most peoples
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Speaker 2: Brian Thomas Junior are just making an impeccable, amazing, exemplary,
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Speaker 2: whatever adjective you want to use, catch here. And it
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Speaker 2: just feels like you want so much more from him.
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Speaker 2: And I know there's a lot of factors that go
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Speaker 2: into getting him involved in the offense, but just you
16:26
Speaker 2: gotta get this guy the ball more.
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Speaker 3: When he can do stuff like this.
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Speaker 7: Don't You don't want to necessarily go overboard and overload early,
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Speaker 7: so meaning don't ask him to do things outside of
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Speaker 7: his position so that he gets confused, because right now
16:45
Speaker 7: he is playing at a high level. So I think
16:47
Speaker 7: that is the other side of what we're talking about.
16:50
Speaker 7: But he is playing so well think about it. All
16:54
Speaker 7: of their touchdown drives, which is three, have come when
16:57
Speaker 7: he has made a big play. He is the the
17:01
Speaker 7: moment maker of the offense right now, So you need
17:04
Speaker 7: to do something within what he understands right now and
17:07
Speaker 7: what he's comfortable with to get in the ball more.
17:10
Speaker 7: I don't necessarily think you need to move him around
17:12
Speaker 7: and confuse him yet keep the trajectory going.
17:15
Speaker 6: But I mean, if we're talking positives, Brian, yeah.
17:19
Speaker 7: Oh he's this kid looks and I'm gonna play sacrilege
17:23
Speaker 7: a little bit, the same feeling about him as I
17:26
Speaker 7: did in ninety eight with Fred. Yeah, I'm not saying
17:29
Speaker 7: I think Fred's a Hall of Fame player and an
17:31
Speaker 7: all timer, but he's doing things that catch yesterday was
17:34
Speaker 7: acceleration on a level where you go, oh, this is
17:38
Speaker 7: all pro stuff.
17:39
Speaker 4: Listen.
17:39
Speaker 5: I get it, and I love Fred and I hold
17:41
Speaker 5: him in the highest esteem.
17:42
Speaker 6: Fred told Fred yesterday that this kid was better.
17:44
Speaker 5: No, because he's not, but maybe he grows in that
17:49
Speaker 5: kind of player. Fred didn't break out until it's third game, Right,
17:52
Speaker 5: Fred didn't get into to make a play until James
17:55
Speaker 5: Stuart went down, and of course the first hand off
17:57
Speaker 5: he takes fifty three yards per a touchdown and we
17:58
Speaker 5: got okay, we know what we got here. Look, I'm
18:02
Speaker 5: not asking him to do anything that he can't do, right,
18:04
Speaker 5: I'm not asking promotion. I'm saying, hey, why not try
18:07
Speaker 5: that play on the first play of the game and
18:08
Speaker 5: send the messages, right, send the message. This is who
18:11
Speaker 5: we are and this is who we do. I appreciate
18:15
Speaker 5: the fact because I'm an old school guy that Doug
18:17
Speaker 5: wants to be able to run the ball. But I
18:19
Speaker 5: also understand that Doug is not to run the ball guy. First, right,
18:22
Speaker 5: Doug wants to throw the ball. It's modern football, and
18:26
Speaker 5: he came in here and talked about not necessarily wanting
18:29
Speaker 5: to run the ball thirty times a game. Right, he
18:30
Speaker 5: wants to be able to throw it. Man. All I'm
18:32
Speaker 5: saying is send the message, this kid could beat you.
18:35
Speaker 5: You better be a little bit deeper. It'll open things up.
18:38
Speaker 4: I don't.
18:38
Speaker 5: I'm over simplifying, but you get my point absolutely.
18:42
Speaker 6: And one final thought on VTJ.
18:46
Speaker 7: You're in this league enough that it's hard for young
18:50
Speaker 7: players to do things consistently where you say, oh, this
18:59
Speaker 7: is a better foot ball player, then the guy's on
19:01
Speaker 7: the other side. Right, he's done that twice in two
19:04
Speaker 7: weeks now, the bomb yesterday and then the touchdown and
19:09
Speaker 7: even beaten Jalen last week.
19:11
Speaker 6: He's doing stuff that.
19:15
Speaker 7: High end veterans have trouble doing on a week to
19:18
Speaker 7: week basis. He's making special plays and everything you hear
19:22
Speaker 7: about him. Also, the positive of all this is he's
19:26
Speaker 7: a really good worker, really good teammate, really smart player.
19:31
Speaker 7: This is not just athletic flash stuff we're seeing. This
19:33
Speaker 7: is something this kid's going to build on.
19:35
Speaker 4: Yeah.
19:35
Speaker 2: Also an injection of life into the game, right, it
19:38
Speaker 2: felt like it was dead at that point. And to
19:40
Speaker 2: see that bring the energy into the offense a little bit,
19:43
Speaker 2: you like, okay, like get a touchdown here, we can
19:45
Speaker 2: do something with this which you're searching for from anybody else,
19:48
Speaker 2: and you're getting it from your rookie.
19:50
Speaker 7: And he's a funny kind of I mean, he's probably
19:52
Speaker 7: the best kind of confidence in this sense because he's
19:55
Speaker 7: show it at all in camp and then all of
19:57
Speaker 7: a sudden when he makes plays can tell there's certain
20:02
Speaker 7: ways guys walk on the field when they know they belong.
20:06
Speaker 7: Once they figure out, and it's a hard league to
20:08
Speaker 7: belong in. This kid knows he belongs.
20:11
Speaker 5: It's early, but he is special. It's just going to
20:14
Speaker 5: be how special does he want to be? And can
20:17
Speaker 5: they get him the bowl enough so everyone sees that?
20:19
Speaker 3: Absolutely?
20:20
Speaker 2: All right, A couple more things I just want to
20:21
Speaker 2: talk through and then we'll get moving things along. That
20:25
Speaker 2: Kirk touchdown they got called off because the penalties. Brian,
20:27
Speaker 2: We've talked so much about the little things that need
20:29
Speaker 2: to get done.
20:31
Speaker 3: It's just an extra frustration.
20:32
Speaker 2: And Trevor talked about it as well on that SoundBite
20:34
Speaker 2: we heard off the top.
20:35
Speaker 3: It's stuff you canvix.
20:36
Speaker 5: I got to hold off because it's my hot tech.
20:38
Speaker 6: Okay, well real quick.
20:40
Speaker 7: What's too bad about that is de Earnest is a
20:42
Speaker 7: guy who's a very aware of player, a very smart player.
20:45
Speaker 3: I don't even think it's on him. Sometimes it's like
20:47
Speaker 3: play gets changed.
20:48
Speaker 7: I know it's knew at the moment there was a
20:51
Speaker 7: shot of him reacting to it. He knew exactly what
20:53
Speaker 7: had happened, and it was sort of like what Trevor
20:55
Speaker 7: said in the post game. Everybody on the offense had
20:58
Speaker 7: one play that sort of.
21:00
Speaker 6: Cost him a little bit.
21:01
Speaker 7: It's the old say, if you've been around the leaue no,
21:03
Speaker 7: if you hear it all the time when teams are
21:05
Speaker 7: going bad, that's usually the storyline when there's one little
21:09
Speaker 7: thing each guy does all day.
21:11
Speaker 2: And then just finally that safety at the very end there.
21:13
Speaker 2: I know they get the ball back after that cut to.
21:15
Speaker 5: The defense, but it turned the game.
21:18
Speaker 3: It of course it did.
21:18
Speaker 2: Well if you don't have that well, also the punt
21:20
Speaker 2: to get it down to the two or the one
21:22
Speaker 2: or whatever they're on that was insane.
21:23
Speaker 5: As well the goal line and went backwards.
21:26
Speaker 7: Well, this is not a knock on Cam the little things.
21:29
Speaker 7: He is a wonderful young kicker, jointed off the upright.
21:33
Speaker 7: But if you don't have a chance to tie later
21:36
Speaker 7: different thing.
21:37
Speaker 5: But if you listen, if you don't take that safety
21:40
Speaker 5: right there, sure you have a chance to go later
21:42
Speaker 5: in the game at the thirty yard line with eight
21:44
Speaker 5: seconds left and kick a game tye field goal. As
21:47
Speaker 5: opposed to being down by five. So I mean, if
21:50
Speaker 5: this is that situational awareness, hey man, we just need
21:53
Speaker 5: a field goal. Let's be smart here.
21:55
Speaker 7: When teams lose and struggle, you know people who talk
21:59
Speaker 7: about them do the next day they talked about six
22:01
Speaker 7: things that they could have done to win the game.
22:04
Speaker 3: Quarterbacking.
22:05
Speaker 7: No, I mean it's a league of little plays, and
22:08
Speaker 7: the Jaguars miss and.
22:10
Speaker 6: Blue a lot of little plays, yes for sure.
22:12
Speaker 3: All right, that's it for the tape.
22:14
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22:15
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22:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's just just the situation, the situation awareness.
22:45
Speaker 1: I mean, just clock was running down, and you know,
22:48
Speaker 1: we just it can't happen. If it just can't happen,
22:53
Speaker 1: so I had to take the two timeouts.
22:56
Speaker 2: Situational awareness. Brian, We're gonna do our hot takes. I
22:59
Speaker 2: know yours certainly involves.
23:00
Speaker 5: That Yeah, lack of awareness kills And I wrote that
23:03
Speaker 5: down after Antonio Johnson on that opening drive. No, no,
23:08
Speaker 5: sorry that his was a little bit later in the
23:10
Speaker 5: second quarter when he had missed on Deshaun Watson and
23:14
Speaker 5: Deshaun Watson got rid of the ball and he came
23:16
Speaker 5: up behind him with both hands out. You just you
23:19
Speaker 5: just have to be smarter that he has to. No right,
23:21
Speaker 5: I thought his awareness could have been better on that
23:23
Speaker 5: play to round that Ronald Darby cut underneath. They gave
23:26
Speaker 5: him on second and twenty, they gave him a first
23:28
Speaker 5: down there to keep that drive alive. We mentioned ad
23:31
Speaker 5: nauseam all of the timeout.
23:33
Speaker 3: Issues, I mean games at the goal line, and it's
23:37
Speaker 3: just then.
23:38
Speaker 5: And then de Artist two again is a very good player.
23:40
Speaker 5: And you know, you see some of his past protection
23:42
Speaker 5: sets and you realize and some of his you know,
23:44
Speaker 5: four or five yard runs yesterday, you realize he's a
23:46
Speaker 5: valuable player. But the lack of awareness at times yesterday
23:52
Speaker 5: is just maddening for this football team. The coach talked
23:55
Speaker 5: about it, the quarterback talked about it. You gotta be
23:58
Speaker 5: a smart football team, and yesterday, john they were not
24:02
Speaker 5: a smart football team. They have got to dial that
24:04
Speaker 5: situational awareness and I'm not gonna point my finger one
24:06
Speaker 5: way or the other. Think it goes both ways. It's coaching,
24:09
Speaker 5: it's playing it to all of that kind of stuff.
24:10
Speaker 5: But yesterday there were a couple of moments on that
24:12
Speaker 5: first long fifteen play drive in particular, where you could
24:15
Speaker 5: have gotten them down. And I'm even talking about Devin
24:19
Speaker 5: Lloyd's fifteen yard penalty because I thought that was really
24:21
Speaker 5: a cheapie, right, But any winner of the quarterback saying,
24:26
Speaker 5: situational awareness has got to improve for this football team.
24:29
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's such a league of moments. And when you
24:32
Speaker 7: watch it as intently as most people watching this or watching.
24:36
Speaker 6: It intently think about it.
24:38
Speaker 7: You know, you're off the field and say a third
24:40
Speaker 7: and five and then you give them a first down.
24:43
Speaker 7: Nine times is exaggeration, but nine times out of ten,
24:46
Speaker 7: when you give a team a first down, they're getting
24:48
Speaker 7: points in this league because you've you've done your job
24:51
Speaker 7: and now you've given them second win. So every little thing,
24:57
Speaker 7: missing a field goal all of a sudden, that's a
24:59
Speaker 7: three point sway. I'm not trying to pile on Cam Little,
25:03
Speaker 7: It's just that was in my mind, little situations nine
25:09
Speaker 7: times out of tendeous league. When things are decided by
25:11
Speaker 7: eight points, if you give away a little bit early,
25:15
Speaker 7: it's going to cost you in the end. I went
25:18
Speaker 7: with Trevor. Lawrence is mad, and that's a good thing.
25:21
Speaker 7: We've mentioned a few times. I thought his press conference
25:24
Speaker 7: his authority in the moment, I guess is what I'm
25:29
Speaker 7: looking for. This has been growing. He's always been a
25:33
Speaker 7: pois guy. After games, He's always felt like this is
25:35
Speaker 7: his team. But to me yesterday it felt like he
25:38
Speaker 7: was saying enough's enough. He's the guy who has to
25:41
Speaker 7: go out there be the face of the franchise, and
25:44
Speaker 7: I think he acted like it yesterday. My guess is
25:49
Speaker 7: it's more than what we saw on the podium. He's
25:52
Speaker 7: probably saying the people inside of the building, Hey, we
25:53
Speaker 7: can't you know, this is not acceptable, it has to change.
25:59
Speaker 7: And they're all words we've all heard before. So I
26:02
Speaker 7: get people watching and saying, well, what's the difference. I
26:05
Speaker 7: think the difference is it really sounded like Trevor. It's
26:10
Speaker 7: to the point where you know what everybody's been saying
26:12
Speaker 7: for this is my team.
26:13
Speaker 6: Ye, it's my team. Let's stop the beat beat.
26:17
Speaker 5: He has to take control. And I've pointed this out
26:20
Speaker 5: a couple of times. There was a game last year
26:22
Speaker 5: between Kansas City and Buffalo and Kansas City and that
26:24
Speaker 5: something went wrong. The Bills ended up winning the regular
26:26
Speaker 5: season game, and Mahomes came to the sideline and the
26:29
Speaker 5: camera was right there, and I mean, he just lost it, right,
26:31
Speaker 5: and you could see the reaction of his team, And
26:34
Speaker 5: of course then they started winning and they went all
26:36
Speaker 5: the way through Buffalo to win the Super Bowl. And
26:38
Speaker 5: I asked Trevor about that in August and he said,
26:41
Speaker 5: that's not my personality, and I respect that.
26:42
Speaker 6: I thought it was yesterday.
26:44
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but I still needed to see it. I
26:46
Speaker 5: mean it might not have been as animated as Mahomes, right,
26:49
Speaker 5: but you still needed to see this is my team.
26:52
Speaker 5: And he reached the coach. Doug Peterson is the coach,
26:54
Speaker 5: but I'm the quarterback. I'm the fifty five million dollar guy.
26:57
Speaker 5: As you said earlier, I'm the guy who has to
26:59
Speaker 5: go stand there in front of the media. I'm the
27:00
Speaker 5: guy that the fans bash, right, I'm the guy everyone
27:04
Speaker 5: looks at me. So enough of this crap. I'm gonna
27:07
Speaker 5: take it. And he did also his legacy.
27:10
Speaker 6: Meaning you better look in three years.
27:13
Speaker 7: Nobody's gonna look back on the twenty twenty four Jaguars
27:16
Speaker 7: and say, boy, Cam Robinson lost that game. Again, I'm
27:19
Speaker 7: picking on Cam, but it's gonna be Oh they were
27:22
Speaker 7: four and fourth Trevor Lawrence. So these quarterbacks know this
27:25
Speaker 7: is how they're remembered man forever. And if it means
27:28
Speaker 7: anything to you, you don't want to be remembered like that.
27:30
Speaker 2: And you want to see a little fight out of them, right.
27:32
Speaker 2: We talked about this, Brian Thomas Junior.
27:33
Speaker 3: Bring some energy.
27:34
Speaker 2: You don't want to see them looking lifeless and confused.
27:36
Speaker 2: You want to see them fighting for something. And I
27:39
Speaker 2: know Trevor's personality is very calm and cool and collected,
27:42
Speaker 2: but this is not a time for that.
27:43
Speaker 6: They think they may have seen a sea change on
27:44
Speaker 6: that ye, and.
27:45
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that it is correct. Mine's not about coaching.
27:48
Speaker 2: We talked a little bit about this. It's not just
27:50
Speaker 2: about the coaching where they're coaching mistakes. Absolutely, do you
27:53
Speaker 2: at home maybe think there needs to be changes, Sure,
27:55
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna argue with you on that. Also, I
27:58
Speaker 2: need to see something from the players. Players make plays.
28:00
Speaker 2: We talked about these contracts that were dueled out in
28:02
Speaker 2: the offseason. Trevor Lawrence is one of them. Josh Heindallen,
28:05
Speaker 2: you know you're keeping everybody home. Tyson Campbell's hurt, that's fine,
28:09
Speaker 2: but you're giving out these contracts. They are paid to
28:11
Speaker 2: play football. And this was every facet of the game.
28:13
Speaker 2: Cambell Little's rookie. You have to make your kicks even
28:16
Speaker 2: if the weather, even if it's raining whatever.
28:18
Speaker 3: We expect him to make those kicks. We expect the
28:20
Speaker 3: defense to get some stops, and.
28:21
Speaker 2: We need them turnovers. We didn't see any of that.
28:24
Speaker 2: And Trevor Lawrence needs to play better as well.
28:26
Speaker 3: Is there excuses? Is there stuff going on around him?
28:28
Speaker 2: Absolutely, But if you're going to be the guy at
28:30
Speaker 2: some point, it's the quarterback league.
28:31
Speaker 3: You've got to go out there and you have to
28:32
Speaker 3: win a game at times. Was he going to be
28:34
Speaker 3: able to do that yesterday?
28:35
Speaker 2: I don't know what we need to see and hopefully
28:37
Speaker 2: if we've seen this fire from him now, we will
28:39
Speaker 2: see a change. Because Trevor Lawrence hasn't won a football
28:41
Speaker 2: game since November. He's not frustrated now. I don't know
28:45
Speaker 2: what's going to make him more frustrated.
28:46
Speaker 5: Well, and we've talked about how frustrated he was yesterday
28:49
Speaker 5: with everything going around him. But on that first series
28:52
Speaker 5: he missed a wide open and get Davis right, He's
28:56
Speaker 5: got to be better too. Add to his credit, he
28:59
Speaker 5: pointed the finger at himself. Doug Peterson pointed the finger
29:01
Speaker 5: at himself. Those are all good things. Now you have
29:04
Speaker 5: to go and actually get something done it.
29:07
Speaker 2: Yes, all right, We're going to talk a little bit
29:09
Speaker 2: after the break about what's coming up this week as
29:10
Speaker 2: Monday Night football is ahead.
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29:29
Speaker 4: We gotta be honest with ourselves. And if you don't
29:31
Speaker 4: like it, and if fem a mistake and you don't
29:34
Speaker 4: like people calling it out and talking about it, you
29:35
Speaker 4: need to find different jobs because isn't the one. You know,
29:38
Speaker 4: things matter, little details matter, and I'm talking to myself
29:41
Speaker 4: as much as anyone, so i don't want it to
29:42
Speaker 4: be misconstrued. But that stuff matters. And you look at
29:46
Speaker 4: these every play. Everyone had a play today at least
29:49
Speaker 4: one that they can do their job a lot better,
29:52
Speaker 4: and you look back at it and all those plays
29:54
Speaker 4: add up and they affect the game and you end
29:56
Speaker 4: up losing. And we played as bad as we can play.
29:58
Speaker 4: And what was at eighteen to team or something. I
30:00
Speaker 4: mean we had we were one for four in the
30:03
Speaker 4: red zone. If we score one of those times, we
30:05
Speaker 4: win the game. I mean it comes down to that.
30:06
Speaker 4: You know, we had the you know where we didn't
30:08
Speaker 4: get set on the one player touchdown to Christian and
30:11
Speaker 4: then you look back at the drive earlier in the
30:13
Speaker 4: first half, we had the two timeouts, and then after
30:15
Speaker 4: that I think I missed Brian who was open, and
30:18
Speaker 4: then after that I had to scramble and whatever. So
30:21
Speaker 4: it's just little details. And we were in the red
30:23
Speaker 4: zone twice, close down the inside the five and didn't score,
30:28
Speaker 4: And it's that can't it can't. You can't do that
30:30
Speaker 4: this league. You got to take advantage of those opportunities.
30:34
Speaker 2: Tinking of that accountability from Trevor Lawrence. Obviously a frustrating
30:37
Speaker 2: loss for everybody, but going to look yourself in the
30:39
Speaker 2: mirror this week and figure things out and potentially make
30:42
Speaker 2: them changes.
30:42
Speaker 5: Yeah, look, after everything we've talked about here and it's
30:46
Speaker 5: Monday morning, and people feel lousy about the result yesterday.
30:50
Speaker 5: If and it's a big if, but if you can
30:52
Speaker 5: go on the road the next two weeks and find
30:55
Speaker 5: a way to win a couple of football games, you're right.
30:57
Speaker 5: John Rae thought they would be in September. I always said,
30:59
Speaker 5: you know, get through September two and two. Well, you
31:01
Speaker 5: just lost two that you probably should have won, could
31:04
Speaker 5: have won. Uncle, win a couple that no one expects
31:06
Speaker 5: you to win. I know nobody's thinking that it's impossible
31:09
Speaker 5: this morning, but that doesn't mean it isn't.
31:12
Speaker 7: Yeah, you've lost two games by eight points and you know,
31:14
Speaker 7: sort of lost him on the last play.
31:16
Speaker 6: None of that matters because O and two stinks.
31:19
Speaker 7: Trevor's fed up. He's fed up with himself, he's fed
31:21
Speaker 7: up with having to stand there. He's fed up with
31:24
Speaker 7: teammates and coaches, which he said both yesterday not being better,
31:30
Speaker 7: and he called everybody out and including himself. I'm interested
31:34
Speaker 7: to see how that manifests itself this week and what
31:37
Speaker 7: this kid's like going forward, because I was encouraged yesterday
31:39
Speaker 7: after the game.
31:40
Speaker 3: Yes, we are encouraged by that.
31:41
Speaker 2: Hopefully things keep on that track, things pushed back a
31:44
Speaker 2: day this week.
31:45
Speaker 3: We'll be back with you on Wednesday
31:46
Speaker 2: For jags Am to talk about what's gonna happen this
31:49
Speaker 2: week and what we can expect on Monday Night football