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Breast Implant Illness and Toxicity: Dr. Robert Whitfield Explains Breast Implant Toxicity · Non-Toxic Living

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  Dr. Rob, I've known you've taken out thousands of implants.
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  How many of them are truly infected?
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  We find that 29% actually have bacterial contamination found on PCR test.
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  It's a bacterial infection. What type of bacteria is it?
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  Staff epidermis.
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  And so there's no safe implant. It's impossible.
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  Thought that's been made thus far.
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  Even if it's from nature.
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  There's only autologous, which is your own tissue.
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  Everything else, unless it's your genetically identical twin,
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  has to have a level of immunosuppression for you to be able to keep it.
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  Otherwise, it's going to get rejected if it's an organ.
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  If it's a prosthesis, your body's going to form a collagen back around it
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  to try to get it out.
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  What about lip?
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  Like blowing your lips up.
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  All the filler things are interesting because
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  Dr. Rob, you said 29% of breast implants are infected.
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  How was that even possible?
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  There's three ways to get it.
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  They give you a contaminated implant.
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  They contaminate it and give it to the surgeon contaminated and they put it in.
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  Then the surgeon could contaminate it.
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  Those are the two most unlikely ways to get contamination.
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  The third is Dr. Robert Whitfield.
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  Welcome to the show.
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  This is a long time coming.
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  Not even crossing paths.
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  And I'm wanting to have this interview with you.
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  It's near and dear to my heart.
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  So many of my friends been sick from breast implant illness.
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  And then after ex-plant surgery and removal,
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  life changed, hormones come back online.
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  They're kinder, nicer.
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  Like there's a real thing here.
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  And you're an expert.
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  You are the expert when it comes to this.
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  And let's help some people today.
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  First of all, I think it's great that we're able to do this today.
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  We're actually in Scottsdale and a beading together.
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  And it's worked out that we're going to be able to talk about this.
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  So I look at breast implant illness as
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  chronic inflammation of which a breast implant is plainable.
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  And much like many of the friends, family members,
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  loved ones, you may have encountered
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  you have this problem and ex-planted.
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  Many of them do well right away.
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  So we already know about 29% of those patients
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  that I ex-plant have a bacterial contamination
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  or underlying infection in their implants.
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  So when you remove them, you may have a tremendous source
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  of stimulation to their immune system.
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  And then like you've mentioned, things can come back online
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  or reset or however we want to view that,
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  whether it's hormonally, energy levels,
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  things that from a gut standpoint may be
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  off, many of those things respond right away.
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  And the other instance where I find that happening
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  is when there's leaching from the implants.
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  One of my patients, Lauren Bostic,
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  from the skin and confidential.
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  We looked at her toxicity burden test
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  and she had a whole page of heavy metals.
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  And so she would go into a sauna,
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  a barrel sauna at about 212 degrees Fahrenheit
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  and sit in there for 60 to 90 minutes.
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  So she was basically, she joked, she was melting her implants
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  and we said that or a show and I got accused
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  of an ethics violation.
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  But the chemical process, the actual process
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  leaching chemicals out of the M-Less
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  just as if we stuck a water bottle,
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  a plastic water bottle in a car
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  and let it overheat and the thalates would come out into the water.
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  I need drinks now.
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  By the way, I did a little study on that myself
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  and it does lead to antimony.
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  Right, so these are two, those are the two most common ways
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  that people, once I operate on them,
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  within the short time after surgery,
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  they are doing extremely well.
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  Yeah, it's life changing.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, there's so many places we could go, right?
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  Because you know, there's moral, ethical,
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  there's toxicity with breast implants.
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  There's the fact that there's a time and a place
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  for a breast implant.
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  Do you still put breast implants in like that topic
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  isn't talked about a much as much
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  and you have to work your way around it
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  because everyone has freedom of choice
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  when it comes to this.
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  Is there a safe breast implant?
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  Is it they go or they say for the first five years?
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  Is it six years?
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  Like there's a shelf life.
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  Like when is there a time and a place
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  for a healthy breast implant and what about
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  putting, you know, your own fat in?
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  A lot of friends are doing that.
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  Correct.
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  So that's the not close friends.
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  The big question is like, is there,
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  you know, for your audience listening,
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  they should understand a little bit about my background.
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  So I trained in general surgery for six years.
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  I did plastic surgery for two years.
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  I did a reconstructive microsurgery fellowship
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  for an additional year.
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  So nine years after I got done with medical school,
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  I finally went in to practice.
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  And then in practice for seven years,
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  I just did oncologic reconstruction
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  predominantly for head and neck cancer,
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  breast cancer,
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  sarcomas, which are tumors of muscle, fat and bone.
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  And so during that time,
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  I got very familiar with any kind of challenge,
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  especially as it related to breast cancer,
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  because it was so prevalent.
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  That would be the most frequent one.
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  We did reconstruction for it.
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  And so a half patients coming in
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  who predominantly wanted their own tissue
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  used for reconstruction,
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  that's called the DIP free flap.
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  And that uses the tissue that's thrown away into tummy tuck,
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  leaves it attached to the blood vessels,
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  and then you reconnect the blood vessels
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  underneath the sternum,
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  kind of like with the heart surgery we use
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  for a vascular bypass.
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  And that would re-vascularize the tissue.
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  And you would have a natural breast reconstruction.
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  So that's predominantly what I did.
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  Now in the country,
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  our country in the United States,
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  it's so expansive, it's so big.
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  I live in Texas, as you know,
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  and you can fit in the entire country of Spain
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  within the landmass of Texas.
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  So for us in the United States,
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  once you get outside of a larger urban area,
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  say a million, million plus people
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  that access the care,
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  the access to someone like me
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  with that skill set drops off really quickly.
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  So then you would not get all for that type of care
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  because they wouldn't be able to
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  from a facility standpoint,
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  the hospital, the nursing,
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  and then you have the operators,
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  like we've been talking about the breast surgeons,
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  the plastic surgeons,
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  they have to have the requisite skill set
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  experience to deliver that kind of care.
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  So I always worked in bigger centers
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  that could do that.
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  So it's a lot easier to kind of a little slit
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  and sharpen some.
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  So in this country,
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  it's always going to be the dominant form
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  of breast reconstruction
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  because in any community-based system,
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  hospital, smaller area,
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  they have to be able to execute
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  the breast reconstruction
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  and that would be what they could do.
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  So a typical expander
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  implant breast reconstruction
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  would be what would always get offered.
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  And I didn't obviously do
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  as many because I was doing the longer
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  or more complicated case.
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  But then what do you think happens
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  when those got infected,
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  meaning the implants got infected
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  or somebody got a radiation injury
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  after treatment or a capture
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  contracture, which is some hardening
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  of the device,
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  not the device,
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  but the scar tissue around it.
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  So then those people would get referred to us.
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  So if you look back at my history,
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  I was taking care of breast implant problems
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  really from the start
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  because any time you put a hip need
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  dental breast implant,
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  cardiac implant
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  or a large implant,
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  anybody,
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  your body immediately tries to get rid of it.
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  Yeah, that's one thing's
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  problems.
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  It rejects it.
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  Yeah, and any device.
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  Correct. So the only
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  and that's our body's immune system
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  and that's the concept of tolerance.
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  So Joseph Murray was the last surgeon
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  who won the Nobel Prize
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  basically doing a kidney transplant
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  in Simon's twins.
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  He could do that because they're genetically identical.
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  They don't need immunosuppression.
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  And then later on,
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  he went to become the first person
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  to put a cadaver kidney in Simon
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  and that needed immunosuppression.
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  Yeah, I have friends.
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  So that's really what we're talking about.
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  So any implants,
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  whether it's someone else's tissue
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  or a prosthetic,
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  yeah, prosthetic, yeah,
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  is going to cause an immune reaction.
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  Right.
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  So when I take everything out
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  and you let the analysis from the pathologist,
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  it always says the same types of things.
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  Chronic inflammation
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  and the cells are going to be giant cells
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  and histiocytes.
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  It's because your body's trying to get rid of them.
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  So that happens to every single one.
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  Everybody.
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  Yeah.
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  There's nothing novel or new about this.
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  Right.
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  It's going to be that way for all time.
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  So it's like living in a moody home,
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  you're going to have a low grade inflammation happening.
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  So that labor and prosthetic.
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  To the next question.
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  So you said mold.
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  So I started out
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  and my entire training background is alopathic,
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  of course, because of a surgeon.
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  And then I subleased when I went
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  into proper practice solo
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  for a functional medicine provider.
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  And I started learning about all these things.
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  And then working with his team
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  when we had questions about nutrition
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  or testing of other types of things like mold.
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  For instance, you brought them all that always.
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  For me, it's one of the more crafty things
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  that we don't get taught a lot about in medical school.
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  We learned about fungal infections,
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  but it's a very common, very poorly understood problem.
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  And it's a big problem.
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  Huge problem.
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  So in my patients,
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  so I fundamentally have always been curious about genetics.
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  The genome project,
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  it's application,
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  and now you see the cost come down
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  for whole genome analysis.
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  So if you remember back to like 23 of me
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  and all the things,
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  right, they just send you all this stuff
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  and tell you how much of the Neanderthal you wore or warrants
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  or where you came from.
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  But more importantly,
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  like everybody at this point
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  is heard of the MTHF-4 gene
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  and it's a lovely description.
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  But there's just one of many methylation genes.
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  Yeah, this one's that way.
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  Just had another interview about that.
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  And it's, you know,
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  always run around.
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  I have M-H-
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  M-T-H-F-R.
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  M-T-H-F-R.
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  I have the mother gene.
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  Exactly.
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  And you think your life's over,
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  but there's all these other genes.
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  And, you know, so don't like genetic testing.
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  We won't go down the rapid show.
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  That's not where we're talking.
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  We want to, I want to keep on the...
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  Well, so that's the trail, right?
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  So if you don't methylate well.
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  Yeah.
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  And you have maybe poor vitamin D metabolism.
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  And you have a poor antioxidant pathway.
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  So oxidative stress or somebody,
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  I think of yourselves
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  who are working really hard,
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  building up waste.
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  If you can't detoxify it,
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  well, that's another problem.
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  And the probably the final one
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  along with mold and heavy metals
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  and environmental toxins,
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  which we can talk about,
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  is your glutathione path.
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  So if you have a poor glutathione path way
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  and all those other ones I mentioned.
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  And you have breast implants?
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  And that, my friend, is the problem.
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  So in our patients, it's unpublished data.
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  We submitted for a new IRB,
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  but 83% of our patients have SNPs
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  or problems in all of them.
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  Where the general population,
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  maybe 36% of the people have a methylation problem
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  with MTHFR.
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  And then as you keep stacking the dig in the deck,
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  that's the problem.
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  So that's the person who has the most symptoms
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  who comes to see Rob in Austin
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  to have their implants from.
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  That's the worst possible scenario.
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  And it's almost like you have to,
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  otherwise you're going to be really sick.
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  I don't listen to symptoms for the sake
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  of making a diagnosis.
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  And listening to symptoms
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  to better understand how you
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  is an individual detoxifying.
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  So you have mold-free coffee from life boost.
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  We drink that.
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  I talk to my patients about
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  Zen, which is a micotoxin associated with coffee.
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  So you have to reduce your exposures
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  by improving your air quality
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  with things like a jasper,
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  improving your coffee quality
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  with life boost coffee.
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  That's mold-free.
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  That's been tested.
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  You have to be really careful
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  by what you put into your system
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  and where you live.
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  Like, these are the places
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  we get exposed to these things all the time.
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  And then over a time,
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  your genetic capacity is exceeded.
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  You can lay her cope
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  and you get more and more symptoms.
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  That makes sense.
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  Yeah.
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  We get your coffee cup over pills with toxins.
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  And if you have these weak genetics,
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  which I do,
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  you express a lot of crazy symptoms.
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  Yeah.
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  Very quickly, very easily.
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  And you don't want to function.
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  You don't want us,
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  you know,
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  I didn't want to live
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  because it's just horrific.
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  Your hormone dysregulation.
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  You have mitochondrial dysfunction.
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  All the things.
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  Yeah.
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  So there's genetic components.
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  So let's get back to that.
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  Are breast
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  and any capacity are breast implants safe?
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  Well, the first breast
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  to plant was placed in Houston or in 1862
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  and had a very thick
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  so the colonelastic,
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  the last in the show.
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  And then a pretty thick filler.
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  And they did their iterations
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  to try to make them feel different.
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  And now we're into the generations of implants.
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  Some of them now have this new nanotextring.
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  So in general,
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  when you place the device,
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  it's going to react to you.
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  No matter what.
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  Yeah.
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  It doesn't matter.
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  It doesn't matter.
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  Yeah, hip need,
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  dental, breast implant,
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  it doesn't matter.
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  The thing is how you
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  cope with everything else.
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  Like you said, genetically,
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  environmentally,
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  you know,
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  those things have to remain.
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  And I was using the word balance,
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  maybe not the best analogy,
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  but if you get out of balance,
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  then you're going to have more and more problems.
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  Right.
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  So as a safety as a device,
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  you know, these things are going
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  and they're not lifetime.
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  Yeah, let's just make that clear.
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  I have a shelf life.
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  Yeah, I always looked at
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  cancer patients and cosmetic patients
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  and said, hey,
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  at your eighth,
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  barring any other things going on,
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  we're going to discuss
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  the longevity of this device
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  and look at it
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  because the rupture rate
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  goes up half percent per year annually after that.
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  And the reason being is like,
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  you don't like just put it in and forget it.
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  And that's a lot of patients come to me with that.
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  Yeah, 15, 20 years.
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  Yeah, 40.
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  I took out a pair of implants
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  from the 60s and a 90-year-old.
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  Recently,
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  was she and I have challenges?
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  They had bad caps for contracture
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  and she just lived that way for decades
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  because that technology was inferior,
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  you know,
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  I mean, at the time of the 60s.
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  That's amazing.
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  I had no idea that people were getting breast implants
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  with that.
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  1960s, the first implant to place
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  in Houston, Texas
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  by Dr. Cronin and Jerome.
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  So why was that back then?
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  Why were they putting breast implants
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  for, wasn't for beauty, wasn't?
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  So the initial,
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  so breast augmentation has been done
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  in some way, shape or form
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  with injectables like paraffin,
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  which is obviously very dangerous
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  and ultimately secret any element
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  of problems to crosses.
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  So this inject?
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  Yeah, paraffin.
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  Yeah, paraffin would have to be heated
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  to liquid form to be injected.
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  That was the first injectable biomaterial
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  then they used all sorts of things.
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  And then liquid silicone
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  after war war two,
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  or towards the end of war war two
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  became food because the Japanese
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  women were trying to
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  be more attractive to the American GIs
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  so they were using liquid
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  industrial grade silicone to be injected.
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  Just strain it.
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  Yeah.
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  And so that leads to
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  all sorts of granulominous disease
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  and problems in necrosis.
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  That did, that got banned
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  basically in the western world
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  but maintained in Asia for a long period of time.
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  And then there was a series of sponges
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  and this seems a little bit weird,
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  but the sponge
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  had been used in medical care,
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  especially in cancer surgeries
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  to reconstruct a defect
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  like phyllis space, so to speak.
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  So those had been used and then one in particular
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  called an ivalon sponge was used.
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  But just like we were talking about
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  you can get a bad scar capsule
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  around it, really firm and hard.
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  And that
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  that kind of next step led to the transition
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  to be between the sponges
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  and the breast implants.
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  But when I researched
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  like and try to figure out
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  like how things were being developed,
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  obviously Dow Corning
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  is the the manufacturer of the first devices.
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  But you don't see any of the
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  study information
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  because it wasn't.
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  You didn't have
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  a study back then.
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  It wasn't required.
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  I just stuck stuff and we didn't know the consequences.
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  Correct, yeah.
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  So this is similar to a tattoo.
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  Two causes the autoimmune reaction.
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  There's no way around it.
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  And it's a cost benefit analysis.
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  It's going to cause a little great inflammation
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  probably less so than a breast implant.
• 17:15
  But it's every time you get a tattoo,
• 17:18
  a little great inflammation,
• 17:19
  the more you have.
• 17:20
  But if you're healthy,
• 17:22
  it's the trade-off, you know?
• 17:25
  Right. And so the other thing that's probably a little bit
• 17:29
  hard for patients is
• 17:31
  they feel just like an ex-plants going to solve it.
• 17:34
  And so we built a program around the concept
• 17:37
  that that's not really the
• 17:40
  the main focus.
• 17:42
  And I look at our research genetics
• 17:44
  and we look at their toxicity burden.
• 17:45
  And things like DDA and DDP
• 17:48
  and DDE, PTH,
• 17:50
  all these pesticides
• 17:52
  are extremely prominent in this country,
• 17:55
  especially in Florida.
• 17:57
  And if you grew up around things like golf courses
• 18:00
  that atrazine is definitely in your system.
• 18:03
  And I'm sure if people follow you
• 18:04
  and this is you, they know what atrazine is.
• 18:06
  But all these different
• 18:08
  either herbicides, pesticides, glyphosate,
• 18:11
  you know, all this stuff,
• 18:13
  I see all the time in patients.
• 18:16
  And it's not
• 18:20
  the heavy metals that you would think
• 18:21
  oh, they're coming out of the
• 18:23
  the shell all the time.
• 18:24
  That's not the dominant thing that we see.
• 18:27
  We see predominantly those herbicides, pesticides.
• 18:31
  And then we see mycotoxins.
• 18:33
  So you're not just looking at
• 18:35
  when you're getting people well.
• 18:36
  This is, now I think I'm getting it.
• 18:39
  You are not just removing their ex-plant.
• 18:42
  You're not just removing the device.
• 18:45
  You're testing for all these other environmental toxins.
• 18:48
  Not just the pro-inflammatory implant.
• 18:52
  And this is the difference of like you're not just saying,
• 18:55
  hey, we're going to take your ex-plants.
• 18:57
  We're going to, you're going to have an ex-plant surgery.
• 19:00
  And then your life's going to be normal.
• 19:02
  But what you're realizing is there's a lot of other toxins
• 19:05
  that are in their body that are hindering them
• 19:07
  from having a recovery.
• 19:09
  Yeah, I think what everything is I was saying is obviously,
• 19:12
  I was taught a certain way with alopathic medicine.
• 19:15
  We've heard different people, whether it's
• 19:18
  Peter or Tia or someone talked about medicine 3.0,
• 19:20
  whatever they think that is.
• 19:23
  I actually practice full time.
• 19:25
  I see patients every day and I operate on them.
• 19:28
  Have been for almost 30 years now.
• 19:31
  And the point is blending what we know about genetics
• 19:37
  and things that we learned in biohacking,
• 19:39
  and things that we understand from functional medicine testing
• 19:41
  or whatever we're deriving.
• 19:43
  We always should use the best information to help patients.
• 19:47
  If you're coming to me and tell me your CRP is high,
• 19:50
  I'm like, well, you're fucked up.
• 19:52
  Because CRP is an older than I am, biomarker.
• 19:57
  Like, if you've got a high CRP,
• 19:59
  you have a real legit problem that needs to be addressed.
• 20:03
  And that may be something wrong with your liver,
• 20:05
  maybe with some other infection,
• 20:07
  maybe you have something else going on.
• 20:09
  That does not resonate with me
• 20:11
  because I've looked at this over time
• 20:13
  and that is not what I see in my patients.
• 20:15
  Right.
• 20:16
  My patients have specific genetic alterations
• 20:19
  in their ability to detoxify what they're exposed.
• 20:22
  When you're exposed to all these herbicides and pesticides
• 20:26
  or molds or heavy metals or X,
• 20:31
  your body can't cope with that effect your gut health.
• 20:33
  So we look at gut testing.
• 20:35
  We look at other sensitivities in a diet,
• 20:37
  like real sensitivities.
• 20:39
  I don't put people on elimination diets
• 20:41
  because I think they're cruel in the news wall punishment.
• 20:43
  I try to identify what's triggering them
• 20:45
  and get out of their diet.
• 20:46
  They don't have to live without it forever.
• 20:48
  But during this period where you're trying to get me
• 20:51
  to take you through a procedure
• 20:52
  to get you to recover and feel better,
• 20:55
  the best thing to do is just listen to the product.
• 20:58
  I've done this on thousands of patients now.
• 21:01
  Uniformly they'll recover better
• 21:04
  if you're prepared properly
• 21:06
  and taken through a procedure
• 21:07
  and then helps afterwards.
• 21:09
  So we have health coaches and functional providers
• 21:12
  to help them on the back end as well as the front end
• 21:14
  have really devoted anesthesia teams
• 21:16
  to provide ultrasound-guided nerve blocks
• 21:19
  the least amount of anesthesia
• 21:22
  or the best strategies to help them recover.
• 21:26
  This is the way I think we should just be doing things in general
• 21:30
  but we've just applied it to our surgical practice
• 21:34
  and try to continue to tweak it,
• 21:35
  make it better.
• 21:36
  The first book sharp is about my methodology for this.
• 21:38
  And then the second book is about breast implants,
• 21:42
  explant surgery and breast implants.
• 21:43
  You know what I'm just to really just let everybody know
• 21:44
  like we're not hiding anything.
• 21:46
  I've published books about it.
• 21:47
  I have people copying my system now all over the country
• 21:50
  which is fine.
• 21:50
  Yeah, good.
• 21:51
  It's great.
• 21:51
  It'll help patients
• 21:53
  and I don't like our people sending message
• 21:55
  or they're using your system.
• 21:56
  Great.
• 21:56
  You're actually doing the right thing.
• 21:57
  You're following the protocol.
• 21:58
  Yeah, you're doing the right thing.
• 21:59
  And I love what you're doing
• 22:00
  because you're not,
• 22:02
  you could just say,
• 22:03
  hey, I'll take your breast stuff out.
• 22:06
  I'll get rid of the silicone,
• 22:08
  whatever device we have in there
• 22:09
  and be on your way
• 22:10
  and they still remain sick
• 22:11
  because you're
• 22:12
  which happens.
• 22:13
  And your moral and ethical obligation is,
• 22:15
  okay, they're coming to me sick.
• 22:17
  The reason they're coming to me sick,
• 22:18
  it's not just the breast implants.
• 22:20
  Right.
• 22:21
  It's all these other things.
• 22:23
  And you're like,
• 22:24
  well, if you want to get well,
• 22:25
  we got to prepare your body
• 22:27
  to remove these toxins.
• 22:28
  We got to get you healthier,
• 22:29
  lower inflammation,
• 22:30
  low inflammation,
• 22:31
  you know, anti-inflammatory diet.
• 22:32
  Let's move these out.
• 22:34
  Let's start working on your gut.
• 22:35
  Let's prepare you
• 22:36
  to truly have a healthy healing journey.
• 22:38
  So people who get sick from breast implants
• 22:43
  is you're just using
• 22:46
  in a good way.
• 22:47
  You're using their challenge
• 22:49
  that they're focused on the breast implants.
• 22:50
  So they're coming to you
• 22:52
  and then you decide,
• 22:53
  well, let's do it the right way.
• 22:55
  Let's do the
• 22:56
  why I went to medical school
• 22:58
  is to get people all the way well.
• 22:59
  So you help them from the beginning,
• 23:01
  prep them,
• 23:02
  have the surgery
• 23:03
  and then make sure they're doing all the things.
• 23:04
  So essentially, you're like
• 23:06
  a high-end detox coach.
• 23:08
  Well, a functional medicine doctor.
• 23:09
  This, you know,
• 23:10
  more complex removing, you know.
• 23:12
  More common said,
• 23:13
  I sound like a functional medicine.
• 23:15
  To me, honestly,
• 23:16
  I just sound like
• 23:18
  what I always talk about
• 23:19
  is just trying to do the right thing.
• 23:20
  It's not convenient to do what we do at all.
• 23:22
  No, you could, exactly.
• 23:23
  I actually got excited.
• 23:25
  I'm like, I didn't know this.
• 23:26
  Like, I didn't know how
• 23:27
  dedicated you were to your craft
• 23:29
  and to actually helping people get,
• 23:30
  well, I was a sick guy,
• 23:31
  right?
• 23:32
  And you could say,
• 23:32
  hey, just get your mercury
• 23:33
  and mountain fillings out, dentist,
• 23:35
  right?
• 23:36
  And they could do it,
• 23:37
  they could do it incorrectly,
• 23:39
  but make people more sick
• 23:40
  or they can follow a correct protocol
• 23:43
  and help people.
• 23:44
  But what they really need to do
• 23:46
  is at least for a month,
• 23:48
  prepare them for that removal,
• 23:49
  because they're going to have mercury exposure.
• 23:51
  They have to do everything they possibly
• 23:54
  can during the surgery
• 23:57
  to not just expose the doctor,
• 23:59
  but the patient directly
• 24:01
  paper and all the things.
• 24:02
  There's lots of ways to do it.
• 24:03
  And then afterwards,
• 24:03
  you have to support their body
• 24:05
  to get that crap out
• 24:07
  for them to recover.
• 24:08
  And you're doing that.
• 24:10
  It's like breasts implant explants
• 24:13
  like the amount of fillings of the,
• 24:14
  yeah, so you're doing the same thing,
• 24:17
  like a functional dentist,
• 24:18
  you're a functional surgeon.
• 24:21
  It's very similar.
• 24:21
  People are coming to you.
• 24:23
  They know that these are toxic,
• 24:25
  but you're saying yes,
• 24:25
  this is toxic.
• 24:26
  I'm going to remove your mountain filling.
• 24:28
  It's class,
• 24:29
  you know,
• 24:30
  it's hazardous waste in your mouth,
• 24:32
  but you're saying look,
• 24:33
  but if I'm going to do this,
• 24:34
  let's do it right.
• 24:35
  Right?
• 24:36
  You're not.
• 24:36
  Right.
• 24:36
  You can't actually engage with me
• 24:39
  if you don't follow the ground
• 24:41
  because I don't really need to operate
• 24:43
  on folks for the sake of operating.
• 24:44
  I don't find that serves them.
• 24:46
  Yeah.
• 24:47
  And just like you said about the dentist,
• 24:49
  I mean, I'm very aligned with
• 24:51
  our biologic dentist colleagues
• 24:53
  and I've had them on my show.
• 24:54
  And I'm sure you've had a bunch on your show.
• 24:56
  And when they do it the correct way,
• 24:58
  the patients can really get on the right track.
• 25:00
  Now, there'll be other things,
• 25:02
  other challenges they all face,
• 25:03
  like we all do.
• 25:04
  And you just try to set them up
• 25:06
  to have as much success as possible
• 25:09
  with their recovery process
• 25:11
  because if you get them started
• 25:13
  properly before surgery
• 25:14
  and then do surgery
• 25:15
  and execute all those steps
• 25:16
  and or dentistry
• 25:18
  and then you put them on the proper
• 25:19
  detoxification pathway
• 25:21
  and helps them through the process,
• 25:22
  then you're actually going to get
• 25:24
  some amazing transformations.
• 25:28
  But if you don't,
• 25:30
  you definitely won't.
• 25:32
  And that's,
• 25:33
  that's the dopamine spike.
• 25:34
  I'm doing what you do
• 25:35
  is seeing people get well.
• 25:36
  Yeah, I've been doing this a long time
• 25:39
  and used to sit and eat and eat
• 25:41
  and seeing moms bring in their
• 25:43
  their child that,
• 25:44
  you know,
• 25:45
  needed to put a
• 25:46
  clostomy bag on them
• 25:47
  and be like,
• 25:48
  what can you do for my daughter?
• 25:49
  She's on three meds.
• 25:50
  Let's put her in an anti-inflammatory diet.
• 25:52
  Let's give her some
• 25:53
  butyrate.
• 25:55
  Get an M, you know,
• 25:56
  work with an MD to get some butyrate
• 25:57
  enemas.
• 25:57
  That's lower than inflammation.
• 25:58
  Here's what the research says.
• 26:01
  How it helps colitis.
• 26:03
  And then you see the fissure
• 26:05
  and their daughter's anus,
• 26:07
  heel and then their whole family
• 26:09
  heels because they're all
• 26:09
  falling that the diet as well
• 26:11
  and you're just like,
• 26:12
  wow, like that's what it's all about
• 26:14
  to see people who
• 26:16
  but that's very education or to report it.
• 26:18
  Like you have to educate that.
• 26:19
  You have to educate.
• 26:20
  You have to take time.
• 26:20
  You got to educate.
• 26:22
  You got to show them
• 26:23
  that they have the capacity
• 26:24
  to be their own doctor
• 26:26
  through it through the educational process.
• 26:28
  Absolutely love what you're doing man.
• 26:29
  I love you before.
• 26:30
  I love you so much for that.
• 26:32
  It's refreshing right?
• 26:33
  Because so many people,
• 26:35
  you know,
• 26:35
  you can,
• 26:36
  you get something that's invoked like,
• 26:38
  hey, ex, you know,
• 26:39
  ex-plant surgeries.
• 26:40
  It's coming really popular.
• 26:43
  Yes.
• 26:43
  And you could cash in on
• 26:45
  and a lot of people are like,
• 26:47
  sure, I'll take them out.
• 26:47
  You know, here's the bill.
• 26:48
  We'll even bill your insurance.
• 26:49
  Put them in,
• 26:50
  take them out.
• 26:50
  It's another entity.
• 26:51
  Yeah, it's just like every other
• 26:54
  knee replacement where you could just do
• 26:56
  PRP probably,
• 26:58
  you know, or stem cells.
• 26:59
  Yeah.
• 26:59
  And then you're going to instead of
• 27:00
  putting,
• 27:02
  you know, plastic or teflon or
• 27:05
  ceramic, whatever,
• 27:06
  it's still going to react and cause problems.
• 27:09
  Here's a big question that I have.
• 27:10
  And I want to ask you some other questions.
• 27:13
  Sure.
• 27:13
  But
• 27:15
  silicone.
• 27:15
  Yeah.
• 27:17
  There's a,
• 27:18
  it's not, it's toxic.
• 27:19
  People say silicone is non-toxic.
• 27:22
  It's relatively
• 27:24
  an inert material,
• 27:25
  but it's not silica.
• 27:26
  It contains something called
• 27:28
  siloxane,
• 27:29
  which are carcinogenic.
• 27:30
  Yeah.
• 27:31
  And they're released at a relatively
• 27:32
  low temperature in the studies.
• 27:34
  I think as low as 180 degrees
• 27:36
  Fahrenheit,
• 27:37
  not at high levels,
• 27:38
  by no means you're definitely getting
• 27:40
  a lot of other toxic exposures.
• 27:41
  Right.
• 27:42
  Do you, have you ever measured
• 27:44
  for siloxanes
• 27:45
  in people's clutter?
• 27:46
  No, we haven't.
• 27:48
  Be interesting.
• 27:49
  It, it would be,
• 27:50
  you know, I get asked routinely
• 27:52
  because people will have lymph nodes,
• 27:54
  especially if they've ruptured a device.
• 27:57
  They'll have lymph,
• 27:58
  let that not be the air swollen lymph nodes.
• 28:00
  And they will have been told on a scan,
• 28:03
  whatever diagnostics they did,
• 28:04
  that they have silicone in their nodes.
• 28:06
  And they want to know,
• 28:06
  can I take the lymph node out
• 28:08
  or can that get detoxified from them?
• 28:11
  And the short answer is,
• 28:12
  for everybody listening,
• 28:13
  if you're going to undergo
• 28:14
  explanatory surgery and you have a rupture
• 28:16
  and you've had
• 28:19
  silicone identifying lymph nodes
• 28:20
  in the axilla or somewhere else,
• 28:23
  don't ask the surgeon to go
• 28:24
  then take out that node.
• 28:26
  That's not the right answer
• 28:27
  that can lead to lymph adenopathy.
• 28:29
  And you want to,
• 28:30
  I'm sorry, lymphedema.
• 28:32
  And you don't want to risk that.
• 28:34
  So what I tell patients always is,
• 28:36
  obviously, if the device is ruptured
• 28:39
  and we know this preoperatively,
• 28:41
  we try to get them scheduled
• 28:43
  or relatively soon to get things organized for them
• 28:45
  because I don't like to hear
• 28:47
  a breast cancer patient,
• 28:48
  a cosmetic patient,
• 28:50
  any kind of situation
• 28:51
  that someone's got a ruptured
• 28:53
  malfunctioning device.
• 28:54
  Right?
• 28:55
  You want to get that out?
• 28:57
  Now as it relates to detoxification,
• 28:59
  we've currently used vendors
• 29:02
  like cell court and quicksilver
• 29:03
  for detoxification protocols
• 29:05
  that are more holistic in nature.
• 29:08
  And then not really resulted
• 29:10
  too much in the way of
• 29:12
  chelation therapy in my practice.
• 29:15
  We tried the others,
• 29:17
  other avenues first.
• 29:19
  Yeah, like DMP,
• 29:20
  the MPS, the MSA.
• 29:21
  Very simple things,
• 29:22
  oral things so that people don't develop
• 29:25
  or have problems with herxion hover
• 29:26
  reactions.
• 29:27
  I have a lot of patients get
• 29:29
  that if they get going too quickly.
• 29:31
  So we just,
• 29:32
  we try to be very intentional
• 29:35
  and very conservative,
• 29:37
  but safe in our approach afterwards
• 29:39
  because the patients want to rush
• 29:40
  sometimes they start feeling better.
• 29:43
  They want to do more,
• 29:44
  which is fine.
• 29:45
  But some people really struggle
• 29:47
  with herxion hybrid,
• 29:49
  herxion hybrid type reactions
• 29:51
  so they get flu-like symptoms,
• 29:53
  they feel run down.
• 29:54
  Yeah.
• 29:55
  And you have to really
• 29:57
  protect them from themselves at that point.
• 30:00
  Yeah, take them low and slow.
• 30:01
  Yeah.
• 30:02
  Yeah.
• 30:03
  Wow.
• 30:04
  I have a patented detox support.
• 30:07
  Crystal,
• 30:08
  if you will, that I haven't even
• 30:09
  really talked,
• 30:10
  I've never talked about on my show.
• 30:12
  I didn't know about that.
• 30:12
  Yeah, I don't,
• 30:13
  yeah, just,
• 30:14
  I'm not a,
• 30:16
  a lot of folks
• 30:19
  over sell things.
• 30:20
  And they,
• 30:21
  they say that binders do everything,
• 30:24
  and you know,
• 30:25
  but certain,
• 30:25
  it's of course, it's not true.
• 30:26
  Yeah, certain things are good at certain things.
• 30:29
  Other binders are good at other things.
• 30:31
  A lot of them are contaminated.
• 30:33
  So I wanted to stand out
• 30:36
  and have the Lamborghini,
• 30:38
  you know,
• 30:39
  Leipazomal,
• 30:40
  you know,
• 30:41
  and I'm friends with
• 30:42
  all of those other companies.
• 30:43
  Yeah.
• 30:44
  A lot of them have actually learned
• 30:45
  from us over the years.
• 30:47
  And so I'm excited.
• 30:50
  I just did a small,
• 30:52
  you know, internal,
• 30:54
  uh,
• 30:56
  and be careful how I say like,
• 30:57
  but study with,
• 30:58
  with 10 clients in a medical practice.
• 31:00
  And we saw some amazing results,
• 31:02
  um,
• 31:03
  that I can talk to you more about.
• 31:04
  Sure, sure.
• 31:05
  And so I,
• 31:06
  I didn't even know that you were doing the,
• 31:09
  the heavy metals
• 31:10
  and detoxification support,
• 31:11
  um, to that level.
• 31:12
  So that's really exciting.
• 31:13
  I'd like to,
• 31:14
  I'd like to work with you and,
• 31:15
  and run some,
• 31:16
  uh,
• 31:17
  the studies,
• 31:17
  you know,
• 31:18
  how to say it properly,
• 31:19
  but
• 31:20
  and to see how much,
• 31:21
  uh,
• 31:22
  support some of these outcomes.
• 31:24
  Because for me,
• 31:26
  you have to be very careful,
• 31:28
  um, when it comes to,
• 31:29
  uh,
• 31:30
  the, for example, uh,
• 31:31
  florella, you know,
• 31:32
  I'm a low-temperature obvious geochemist.
• 31:35
  We use binders in the environment
• 31:37
  to help people, uh,
• 31:39
  to help the planet.
• 31:40
  And a lot,
• 31:42
  those mechanisms,
• 31:43
  what, if it can bind in the environment,
• 31:44
  you know,
• 31:45
  does it bind in your body?
• 31:46
  You got to be careful.
• 31:47
  How do you,
• 31:48
  you say those things?
• 31:49
  Yeah.
• 31:49
  But florella, uh,
• 31:51
  for example,
• 31:53
  is a very weak binder.
• 31:54
  It's a great antioxidant,
• 31:55
  but it's a very weak binder,
• 31:57
  and it can stir up toxins in your body,
• 32:00
  because it's not permanent,
• 32:01
  right?
• 32:01
  It's not a magnet.
• 32:02
  It's,
• 32:03
  it's a,
• 32:03
  it's like a,
• 32:06
  it's almost like metal,
• 32:07
  it's not magnetized,
• 32:09
  but it has a slight,
• 32:10
  you know,
• 32:11
  it's slightly magnetic,
• 32:12
  and it's just,
• 32:13
  it's easy to knock it off.
• 32:14
  Um, it's nice,
• 32:16
  surrounding it.
• 32:16
  So we'll,
• 32:17
  we'll talk about that off,
• 32:19
  you know,
• 32:19
  after this podcast,
• 32:20
  but,
• 32:22
  detox support binding,
• 32:24
  type agents is a,
• 32:26
  is one of those things,
• 32:27
  I've been doing for a very long time,
• 32:29
  and it's been very misplayed.
• 32:32
  Oh, yeah, for sure.
• 32:33
  So it's super sad,
• 32:34
  but I like, uh,
• 32:36
  you know, I've used DMSA,
• 32:37
  DMPS.
• 32:38
  I think they're,
• 32:38
  they can be very effective.
• 32:40
  If,
• 32:41
  I mean, once again,
• 32:41
  we don't see as much heavy metal
• 32:43
  as you would think we should.
• 32:44
  You see a lot of micotoxins you're saying.
• 32:46
  Yes, I see a ton of micotoxins,
• 32:48
  and I would really like,
• 32:51
  providers,
• 32:52
  if they're listening to this,
• 32:53
  and clients are listening to this,
• 32:54
  who go to their providers
• 32:56
  that are told
• 32:57
  that micotoxins do not matter.
• 32:59
  That's absolutely
• 33:01
  categorically false.
• 33:05
  Micotoxin burden is no joke.
• 33:07
  It does affect your mitochondrial function.
• 33:11
  In my patients,
• 33:12
  they have so many genetic
• 33:15
  snit problems,
• 33:16
  mutations.
• 33:17
  It's
• 33:19
  absolutely a huge driver of problems.
• 33:21
  And I will not
• 33:23
  do
• 33:24
  you mentioned fat transfers.
• 33:25
  So I've done fat transfers
• 33:28
  since, uh,
• 33:29
  I've moved fat around since the 90s.
• 33:31
  But, uh, in earnest,
• 33:32
  since we'll say 2000
• 33:34
  and, uh,
• 33:36
  two for something like that.
• 33:37
  And
• 33:39
  I've done thousands of them.
• 33:40
  And they,
• 33:41
  they work,
• 33:42
  provided a very specific set of criteria or met.
• 33:46
  You know,
• 33:46
  we're talking about somebody being healthy,
• 33:49
  like,
• 33:50
  sleeps,
• 33:52
  eats well,
• 33:54
  doesn't have contaminated, uh,
• 33:56
  fluids go into their system
• 33:58
  or foods go into their system.
• 34:00
  And then when you look at their toxicity burden,
• 34:02
  you basically want it as low as possible.
• 34:06
  And meaning no heavy metals
• 34:08
  in a, uh,
• 34:10
  significant amount.
• 34:11
  No micotoxins,
• 34:12
  especially in a significant amount.
• 34:13
  And none of these herbicides are pesticides.
• 34:15
  Because all these things affect,
• 34:17
  if you think of bike,
• 34:19
  all the things mold the facts.
• 34:22
  Oh, it's crazy.
• 34:23
  Every aspect of your body.
• 34:24
  Yeah. And I have the neurology to neurotoxin.
• 34:26
  It's proton flammatory.
• 34:28
  It's hormone mimicking.
• 34:29
  It's carcinogenic.
• 34:30
  It's,
• 34:31
  and we're trying to feel somebody after surgery.
• 34:33
  I'm taking something from somewhere
• 34:35
  and I'm putting it somewhere else.
• 34:38
  So it has to be the,
• 34:39
  I would say it like this.
• 34:41
  Okay.
• 34:42
  It's the right place,
• 34:43
  the right time,
• 34:44
  right person, right space.
• 34:46
  Right. So if I take fat from
• 34:48
  the best stem cell component for fat in general is inner thigh.
• 34:51
  If you have enough lower inner thigh fat
• 34:54
  or upper inner thigh fat,
• 34:55
  that being said,
• 34:56
  like you have to go get this fat.
• 34:58
  Right. You have to acquire a certain way
• 35:00
  and protect it.
• 35:02
  Then you have to put it back.
• 35:04
  Now where are you going to put it back?
• 35:06
  If you're doing a Brazilian butt lift,
• 35:08
  you don't want to go in the muscle.
• 35:10
  You want to stay above the muscle.
• 35:12
  And there's different layers of fat in that area.
• 35:14
  But just in general,
• 35:16
  you have to be in the right place, right?
• 35:17
  Fat wants to be with its friends,
• 35:19
  I say, so put it in the fatty compartment.
• 35:21
  You don't stick it in the breast.
• 35:23
  It'll create cysts.
• 35:24
  It'll create radiographic abnormalities
• 35:27
  that will cause concern for cancer
• 35:29
  during any kind of screening
• 35:30
  or ultrasound for that better.
• 35:32
  So you want to be beneath the skin
• 35:35
  above the breast.
• 35:36
  That's the fatty plane.
• 35:37
  We all have it.
• 35:38
  So that's where it belongs.
• 35:40
  And it's a very, very good procedure.
• 35:42
  What it can't do,
• 35:43
  its limitation is projection.
• 35:46
  An implant can give you projection
• 35:49
  because of its density and inability to be compressed.
• 35:53
  So an implant can press out.
• 35:55
  That's what it does.
• 35:56
  But it also looks incredibly unnatural
• 35:58
  if you just think about the aesthetics.
• 36:00
  Almost any of this huge upper pole,
• 36:03
  that's not normal.
• 36:05
  And it's sticking way out.
• 36:07
  Well, that's not normal either.
• 36:09
  That's not a natural appearance.
• 36:11
  But when you put fat in
• 36:13
  and layer it out over the existing breast form,
• 36:17
  it situates the existing form.
• 36:20
  It just makes it fuller.
• 36:22
  Doesn't really create some wildly abnormal shape
• 36:27
  because it can't.
• 36:28
  It's a natural filler.
• 36:29
  It's the natural filler.
• 36:31
  Inexistence has been since time.
• 36:34
  So you just have to be able to move it around
• 36:36
  in the right place
• 36:38
  at the right time.
• 36:39
  But for our patients who have a lot of toxicity,
• 36:42
  and they want to have this transformation,
• 36:44
  they want to ex fund, they don't feel well.
• 36:45
  But they don't want to lose the aesthetic completely
• 36:48
  of what's been done.
• 36:50
  To me, I totally am empathetic and understand that.
• 36:53
  But it has to be at the right time.
• 36:55
  I can't have somebody with a high, high, high microtoxin burden
• 36:59
  and all these other herbicides, pesticides, environmental toxins
• 37:03
  in or heavy metals in their system.
• 37:05
  And I can't recover somebody
• 37:08
  and get them on the right track
• 37:10
  and get all this healed with all that going wrong.
• 37:12
  And you're adding in another insult, another surgery
• 37:15
  and then fat cells that heal.
• 37:18
  The healer so they can take another hit.
• 37:20
  So if you're transferring burden from one place to another,
• 37:23
  so to speak, it's not helping.
• 37:24
  For everyone listening,
• 37:27
  when you get overwhelmed with toxicity,
• 37:30
  it stores them.
• 37:32
  You just like putting crap in your closet.
• 37:35
  And those toxins in the literature,
• 37:39
  it stores them in fat cells.
• 37:41
  And so if you're messing with those,
• 37:43
  and so you're taking toxic cells that are probably moving
• 37:47
  towards autophagy and turning into the cells,
• 37:50
  if they can't, if they're not healthy,
• 37:52
  if there's a, if they're toxic,
• 37:54
  they're going to want to die and replicate,
• 37:57
  die and replicate, die and replicate.
• 37:59
  Right.
• 38:00
  And then you get which ages you, by the way,
• 38:02
  toxins are one of the fastest way to age your body.
• 38:05
  So that's why what you're doing is,
• 38:09
  it's anti-aging of sorts,
• 38:11
  because when you lower someone's toxic burden.
• 38:14
  Oh, I'm glad you said that.
• 38:15
  We should say that, yeah.
• 38:16
  So what is aging that?
• 38:17
  What do you think aging is?
• 38:19
  You're asking me a question.
• 38:20
  It's my podcast just kidding.
• 38:22
  What do I think aging is?
• 38:25
  I've never even thought about it,
• 38:26
  but let me just go off the cuff.
• 38:28
  What is aging?
• 38:29
  And generally, I think aging is,
• 38:30
  your cells can only replicate so many times.
• 38:33
  And so if you don't have healthy cells,
• 38:36
  you is what causes you to age.
• 38:39
  So it's a time clock of what is causing your cells
• 38:43
  to continue to replicate to become a healthy cell
• 38:46
  and trying to eliminate the things
• 38:48
  that are making it trying to survive
• 38:50
  and try to express the healthiest cell possible.
• 38:54
  So that's, so aging is the lack of anti-aging,
• 39:01
  is the lack of the things that cause aging.
• 39:04
  And aging is exposing yourself to toxins, trauma, stress,
• 39:12
  poor diet, other insults,
• 39:13
  all of it, anything toxic
• 39:15
  that will drive that aging process much more quickly,
• 39:18
  much more quickly.
• 39:19
  And so when I look at it for our patients,
• 39:22
  I don't think of it
• 39:25
  from the levels that I,
• 39:28
  I would say from the interactions,
• 39:29
  like I recently had a patient,
• 39:30
  which I have them from Florida for surgery
• 39:32
  and you reviewed our toxicity tests.
• 39:34
  And the reason it's top of mind is
• 39:35
  she had all these pesticides in her,
• 39:38
  and her system.
• 39:40
  And she was having cognitive symptoms.
• 39:42
  So she had memory loss.
• 39:44
  And so what do we all want to avoid?
• 39:47
  We want to preserve our brains.
• 39:49
  We want to avoid Alzheimer's and dementia.
• 39:53
  We don't want to fall,
• 39:54
  so we want to maintain our strength.
• 39:58
  You know, we don't want to have a heart attack.
• 40:00
  So we want to have,
• 40:02
  you know, not,
• 40:03
  we don't have poor heart health or good heart health.
• 40:06
  So we want to diminish inflammation
• 40:08
  in all these different organ systems, right?
• 40:10
  I think inflammation is a thing that's going to end us.
• 40:14
  And one of the sneaky things will say is
• 40:18
  nobody kind of thinks about your brain health.
• 40:21
  One of the most unfortunate things I find in my patients
• 40:25
  is obstructive sleep apnea and really young people.
• 40:28
  It affects women differently,
• 40:29
  because you and I as males typically will snore.
• 40:31
  They don't.
• 40:33
  They may have central sleep apnea,
• 40:34
  and they'll wake up just gasping.
• 40:36
  And you may not even know,
• 40:37
  because both you and I snore or I use the CPAP.
• 40:40
  So I encourage patients to get that checked,
• 40:44
  because the last thing you want to do
• 40:46
  is have early onset Alzheimer's or dementia.
• 40:49
  And then as it relates to things like
• 40:51
  you were mentioning like cellular health,
• 40:53
  all of it ends up that our organs age at different rates,
• 40:58
  at each organ clock is slightly different.
• 41:00
  And we just want to lower the inflammation in the systems
• 41:03
  to age in the most healthy, graceful way possible.
• 41:08
  And that's why I think
• 41:12
  breast implants, pesticides, herbicides,
• 41:15
  all these toxins drive inflammatory process,
• 41:18
  drive autophagy,
• 41:22
  not healthy autophagy.
• 41:24
  Not really.
• 41:25
  Cellular senescence.
• 41:26
  Yes, all the big words.
• 41:28
  Yeah, all the big words.
• 41:29
  So Rob should everybody get the breast implants out.
• 41:32
  No, we don't feel like that's the route everybody should take.
• 41:36
  It's indicated if people can demonstrate
• 41:40
  they're so symptomatic and without a proper medical workup
• 41:45
  or an anti-inflammatory diet,
• 41:47
  with a right supplementation or evaluation
• 41:50
  that they just aren't improving.
• 41:52
  And then we'll definitely talk to them about exploit.
• 41:54
  So the surgery itself could make them sicker.
• 41:58
  Yeah, we don't want to put anybody through surgery
• 42:00
  if they're not worked up properly because that can make them worse.
• 42:04
  Right.
• 42:04
  So someone's healthy with the implant.
• 42:07
  And they're watching us right now.
• 42:10
  I'm healthy.
• 42:11
  I love my beautiful implants.
• 42:12
  They're five years old.
• 42:14
  What would you tell that person?
• 42:15
  Yeah, I think you need to monitor them like we discussed.
• 42:18
  And then everybody experiences inflammation
• 42:21
  as we've discussed differently.
• 42:23
  And even though you don't feel bad or you're not having symptoms,
• 42:26
  you have inflammation because you have a foreign body in your system.
• 42:30
  That's beyond question.
• 42:32
  Now how you cope with it, how you deal with it
• 42:34
  as a function of how you metabolize your toxins,
• 42:37
  how much you get exposed to.
• 42:39
  So you always have to keep that in the back of your mind.
• 42:41
  Is there any testing that you could do to determine
• 42:44
  whether those implants are having an effect?
• 42:46
  Like C-Recta, protein, homocysteine.
• 42:49
  Is there any biomarker that would indicate
• 42:51
  to an individual maybe these implants,
• 42:55
  these breast implants are causing an inflammatory response in my body?
• 42:58
  Right.
• 42:59
  To date, there's no one specific biomarker
• 43:01
  that's commercially available.
• 43:03
  But Oxylipin-10 home is biomarker
• 43:06
  that we've introduced to the scientists and different companies
• 43:09
  that once commercially available
• 43:11
  would indicate your experiencing
• 43:13
  like a staff, epi, biofilm interaction.
• 43:16
  But that's not commercially available.
• 43:18
  Right now we focus on looking at genetics,
• 43:21
  looking at toxicity burden,
• 43:23
  we look at gut health, food sensitivities,
• 43:25
  hormonal balance to try to craft a picture
• 43:27
  to let us better understand each individual
• 43:29
  what they're experiencing along with their listening
• 43:32
  to their symptoms and how they're feeling.
• 43:33
  Dr. Abba, I've known you've taken out thousands of implants.
• 43:36
  How many of them are truly infected?
• 43:38
  Yeah, we found that 29% actually have bacterial contamination found
• 43:44
  on PCR testing.
• 43:45
  Every member is from the pandemic,
• 43:46
  how sensitive PCR testing.
• 43:48
  So, 29% actually have bacterial contamination.
• 43:51
  Not fungus, it's not mold,
• 43:53
  stop writing about that, stop talking about it.
• 43:55
  It's the black stuff that they show in videos, isn't it?
• 43:58
  Yeah, black mold, it's stacky botarous on your implants.
• 44:02
  It's a bacterial infection.
• 44:03
  What type of bacteria is it?
• 44:04
  Staff epiderminous,
• 44:06
  cutibacterium actinous.
• 44:07
  Both found in high concentrations on the skin
• 44:10
  and especially face, neck, chest.
• 44:13
  So it's showing up on their external microbiome?
• 44:16
  So that's where cutibacterium actinous is most predominantly found.
• 44:19
  And then staff epi, of course,
• 44:21
  is found all throughout our skin.
• 44:22
  Yeah, so when that's out of balance, why is that dangerous?
• 44:27
  I think if you look at me,
• 44:29
  I've probably got the worst skin microbiome you could find
• 44:31
  because I took care of cancer patients,
• 44:34
  burn patients, critically ill patients forever.
• 44:36
  And no matter how careful I would have been,
• 44:38
  I would have been exposed to
• 44:39
  far more than you would have been,
• 44:41
  had you not been in the same environment.
• 44:43
  So it's our own skin pathogens that become detrimental to us
• 44:48
  and they can contaminate us.
• 44:49
  So if we get a cut on our skin,
• 44:51
  it gets inflamed,
• 44:51
  gets infected,
• 44:52
  that gets in our bloodstream,
• 44:53
  that ultimately will attach to a device.
• 44:56
  Dr. Rob, you said 29% of breast implants are infected.
• 45:00
  How is that even possible?
• 45:02
  Right, so of all the ex-pons I've done,
• 45:04
  29% show bacterial contamination.
• 45:06
  So there's three ways to get it.
• 45:08
  They give you a contaminated implant.
• 45:11
  Right, they contaminate it and give it to the surgeon contaminated
• 45:13
  and they put it in.
• 45:15
  Then the surgeon could contaminate it.
• 45:17
  Those are the two most unlikely ways to get contamination.
• 45:22
  The third is somehow, throughout our lives,
• 45:25
  we get bacteria in our bloodstream.
• 45:27
  Maybe a cut, maybe an infection and pneumonia.
• 45:31
  That then circulates in our bloodstream
• 45:33
  and attaches to the surface of the implant
• 45:35
  because our immune system cannot surveil the surface of an implant.
• 45:39
  Hip, knee, breast, dental can not control that.
• 45:43
  So it comes and finds it, huh?
• 45:45
  Correct.
• 45:46
  And they like to bring their friends.
• 45:47
  They form colonies and that's bacterial biofilm.
• 45:51
  And that causes...
• 45:53
  So that'll lead you to interaction with the breast tissue
• 45:56
  and development of that biomarker we talked about.
• 45:58
  Oxylipin tin hum.
• 45:59
  And that has been shown to be higher in patients
• 46:02
  who are more symptomatic with breast and plant illness.
• 46:05
  So individuals that have more biofilms,
• 46:08
  little colonies that are hiding from your immune system
• 46:12
  on this synthetic toxin, essentially, low-grade toxin,
• 46:17
  are now causing chronic inflammation because they're fighting...
• 46:23
  How does that...
• 46:24
  Yeah, it causes oxidation, right?
• 46:25
  We want to be in a reduced state.
• 46:27
  So the bacteria interact with oleic acid in the breast tissue.
• 46:31
  It oxidizes.
• 46:32
  That's an oxylipin.
• 46:33
  This one is called oxylipin tin hum.
• 46:36
  And it goes downstream through multiple reactions
• 46:39
  to cause macrophage polarization.
• 46:41
  And that's what stimulates the increased amount of symptoms
• 46:44
  think of like joint pain, muscle pain,
• 46:47
  shortness of breath, all sorts of fatigue problems.
• 46:50
  Fluidic symptoms.
• 46:51
  That's where you get those or all the symptoms of chronic inflammation.
• 46:55
  So what are the top three symptoms of breast and plant illness?
• 46:59
  It's always going to be some level of fatigue and the brain fog
• 47:03
  or think of like memory loss.
• 47:05
  And then I always, you know, joint pain is a common one.
• 47:08
  And then something that's probably thought of infrequently
• 47:12
  as not a big deal,
• 47:14
  but skin type rashes or eczema,
• 47:17
  or refreately referred to as atopic dermatitis.
• 47:20
  So skin problems?
• 47:21
  Yeah, yeah.
• 47:23
  Skin's the largest organ of the body.
• 47:25
  Just to finish this up from my own curiosity.
• 47:27
  So then you're altering,
• 47:30
  breast implants can indirectly alter your microbiome
• 47:34
  because if you're getting these biofilms and colonies,
• 47:37
  there obviously can,
• 47:39
  can they release in your bloodstream and affect your,
• 47:42
  the rest of your microbiome?
• 47:43
  Or is it more of an indirect relationship?
• 47:45
  Yeah, so that's, I think the direct interaction is the interaction.
• 47:50
  Think of like the scar capsule,
• 47:53
  which is your collagen that forms around any device place,
• 47:56
  hip, knee, breast, dental implant,
• 47:58
  whatever it is, your body immediately walls it off
• 48:01
  and forms a collagen sac around it.
• 48:03
  Now, that is not a bomb shelter.
• 48:04
  It's not impervious.
• 48:05
  It's not going to withstand a nuclear attack.
• 48:07
  It's more like your Nana quilted something
• 48:10
  and you'd pull it apart and you can look right through it.
• 48:14
  Now, that allows the tissues to interact
• 48:17
  with the bacterial contaminant.
• 48:20
  Now, that interaction, the oxidative reaction
• 48:22
  and the breast with oleic acid
• 48:24
  is what leads to oxylypintinum,
• 48:26
  which is the bad actor.
• 48:28
  That then causes the macrophages
• 48:30
  to change and polarize.
• 48:32
  That leads to the symptomology.
• 48:34
  So it's really not so much the release
• 48:38
  into the bloodstream because if that happened,
• 48:40
  I think this would be easy.
• 48:42
  People get sick of shit,
• 48:44
  red breasts, swollen breasts,
• 48:46
  in the hospital sick, got to take it out.
• 48:48
  Now, when I did only predominantly oncology surgery,
• 48:52
  infrequently, I'd get called Friday, Saturday, Sunday,
• 48:56
  hey, this patient was getting chemotherapy.
• 48:59
  All of a sudden, they have a red swollen breast
• 49:02
  after breast reconstruction.
• 49:04
  So that's infected.
• 49:05
  There's no question that patient has to go to the operating room.
• 49:08
  If they can't resolve it with 24 hours of IV antibiotics,
• 49:11
  it's typically they can't and then has to be removed.
• 49:14
  Because that has become a source of sepsis for the patient.
• 49:17
  So people who have breast cancer keep their implants in.
• 49:23
  Well, that's a,
• 49:25
  so when we were talking about the beginning,
• 49:27
  a breast reconstruction done with an implant.
• 49:29
  So they had a mastectomy and a simultaneous reconstruction.
• 49:32
  Okay, got it.
• 49:32
  That would be the initial phase would be typically an expander,
• 49:36
  which is temporary.
• 49:37
  And that would be switched to a permanent implant later.
• 49:41
  But many times they have to go through chemotherapy and radiation therapy.
• 49:45
  And those patients are always at higher risk for infections
• 49:49
  or problems secondary to their treatments.
• 49:51
  Out of all the types, there's lots of different
• 49:55
  cornings making them and everyone's making different types of breast implants.
• 49:59
  There's only the vendors now are
• 50:03
  mentor in Allergan.
• 50:05
  Cientra was a soul to another company.
• 50:08
  And there's a new one in the US market called Motiva.
• 50:11
  It doesn't matter what type of implant manufacturer you're discussing.
• 50:17
  Anytime you put a foreign body in anybody,
• 50:19
  it's no different than the, you know, knee prosthetic manufacturers.
• 50:23
  I mean, there's nothing that's perfectly inert that's not going to react to your body.
• 50:28
  And some people really react more so than others.
• 50:31
  That's our individuality, right?
• 50:33
  And we talked about tolerance.
• 50:34
  And so, you know, your ability to tolerate that placement of that device
• 50:40
  is what ultimately will lead you to me or not lead you to me.
• 50:43
  Yeah.
• 50:43
  So there's no safe implant that's impossible.
• 50:46
  Thought that's been made thus far.
• 50:48
  Yeah.
• 50:48
  I mean, even if like you were saying earlier,
• 50:50
  even if you got a kidney,
• 50:52
  unless it's your genetically identical twin,
• 50:55
  that kidney is going to require a level of immunosuppressant
• 50:59
  think of like a steroid like prednisone.
• 51:01
  And that's the way you can keep it.
• 51:04
  So even if it's from nature,
• 51:08
  say it was a natural material, say it was a,
• 51:12
  your body would recognize it for an end rejected.
• 51:15
  There is no, there is no natural safe and nerd.
• 51:18
  There's only autologous, which is your own tissue.
• 51:22
  Everything else,
• 51:24
  unless it's your genetically identical twin,
• 51:28
  has to have a level of immunosuppression for you to be able to keep it.
• 51:32
  Otherwise, it's going to get rejected if it's an organ.
• 51:35
  If it's a prosthesis,
• 51:36
  they're going to form, your body's going to form a collagen bag around it
• 51:39
  to try to get it out.
• 51:40
  What about lip, might blow in your lips up?
• 51:44
  Yeah, all the filler things are interesting,
• 51:46
  because initially they were supposed to,
• 51:50
  they were taught as they'll just disintegrate basically over time.
• 51:53
  They'll dissipate, but on MRI,
• 51:54
  you can actually see it in the tissues now.
• 51:57
  And so I think you have to be very cautious
• 52:02
  with all the things you put into and onto your body,
• 52:05
  because you never know which thing is going to really be
• 52:08
  a problem for you specifically, right?
• 52:10
  There's no, I don't have a specific battery of tests
• 52:13
  that I can give any individual to tell them,
• 52:15
  if you put this in, you're going to react a lot.
• 52:18
  Now, some people are doing more testing,
• 52:20
  as it relates to metals and silicone,
• 52:22
  like you discussed earlier,
• 52:23
  especially in the dentistry world.
• 52:25
  There's a lot of this now.
• 52:27
  A lot of people are getting more porcelain done,
• 52:29
  because that's less of an issue.
• 52:31
  Less reactive.
• 52:32
  Yeah, yeah.
• 52:33
  Breast implants, the matter where they're manufactured carry risks.
• 52:37
  Why is that?
• 52:38
  Right, because it's a foreign body.
• 52:39
  Your body's going to recognize it and try to wall it off,
• 52:42
  build a little collagen sack wall around it,
• 52:46
  and over time, it's going to still stimulate your immune system.
• 52:50
  It's not inert.
• 52:52
  It's not like it doesn't react.
• 52:53
  It doesn't matter what surface it is,
• 52:56
  smooth or textured.
• 52:57
  They're all going to react and stimulate your immune system.
• 53:00
  So, no matter what,
• 53:01
  it has some level of risk,
• 53:03
  some level of insult to your body,
• 53:06
  there's no safe implant.
• 53:08
  No, they're all creating inflammation all the time.
• 53:10
  Yeah.
• 53:11
  Would you say that a breast implant
• 53:13
  causes more inflammation than a tattoo?
• 53:16
  Yeah, it's a bigger surface area,
• 53:18
  if you think about how large it is.
• 53:19
  They have a lot of surface area,
• 53:22
  and the textured ones have more surface area.
• 53:25
  So, they feel more natural.
• 53:26
  They're not supposed to move as much.
• 53:29
  So, the textured ones may have more surface area,
• 53:32
  which may make them more, a little more prone for them.
• 53:34
  Yeah, those are more prone for inflammation in my experience, for sure.
• 53:37
  Experientially.
• 53:38
  It's like, yeah,
• 53:39
  they're not saying that they are necessarily.
• 53:41
  In my experience,
• 53:42
  I see a lot of tissue reactivity,
• 53:45
  which makes sense,
• 53:46
  because there's more interaction
• 53:48
  because of how it's designed.
• 53:49
  So, who makes those?
• 53:51
  Each company has a version of texturing, for sure.
• 53:54
  So, textured implants may be a little more dangerous.
• 53:59
  Those are the ones most closely associated
• 54:01
  with what's called breast implant associated
• 54:03
  and a plastic large cell lymphoma.
• 54:05
  And there's a particular type of texturing.
• 54:08
  So, yes, those would be the more concerning.
• 54:11
  And so, in my practice,
• 54:12
  when we did a cosmetic breast implant,
• 54:15
  many, many years ago,
• 54:17
  we would always do a smooth implant,
• 54:19
  not a textured implant.
• 54:20
  And then, really, the textured
• 54:22
  more reserved for patients
• 54:24
  with more complicated, reconstructive needs.
• 54:27
  Compressed implants lead to cancer.
• 54:29
  So, that particular lymphoma
• 54:31
  is directly related to that textured breast implant.
• 54:34
  That's why there was a recall.
• 54:37
  They would actually not.
• 54:40
  This is why, for cosmetic patients,
• 54:42
  there was a lot of indications ever for me
• 54:44
  to personally put in a textured device.
• 54:47
  And once it was determined that that was a problem
• 54:51
  with this new breast implant associated
• 54:53
  and a plastic large cell lymphoma,
• 54:55
  I mean, there was no indication for me,
• 54:57
  personally or professionally,
• 54:59
  to use a textured device.
• 55:01
  So, and doctors still putting these in?
• 55:04
  They're, yeah, they're not limited
• 55:06
  in the United States.
• 55:08
  Now, in Europe, in Asia, they've been banned.
• 55:15
  Not in US.
• 55:16
  No, they haven't banned them completely.
• 55:18
  They've sent out the letter
• 55:20
  to the, to the patients
• 55:22
  that they have these devices.
• 55:23
  They're associated with this.
• 55:24
  They need to be monitored.
• 55:26
  That's fun.
• 55:27
  Once again.
• 55:29
  Right.
• 55:29
  They call, the recall was to me
• 55:31
  because I am the actual
• 55:33
  purchaser of the device.
• 55:36
  Right, so then.
• 55:36
  So, you're going to call your patients
• 55:37
  and recall them in?
• 55:38
  So, one of the patients actually,
• 55:41
  who was a physician came in,
• 55:43
  we took their implants out
• 55:44
  as they were a cancer patient.
• 55:46
  So, yeah, I've done that.
• 55:47
  Yeah.
• 55:48
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• 55:49
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• 55:52
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• 55:54
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• 55:57
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• 56:30
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