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Normally Podcast: SCOTUS Showdown, Birthright Citizenship Battle & Media Madness · Normally

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Normally, the show with normalist takes
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  Speaker 1: for when the news gets weird. I am Carol Markowitz,
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  Speaker 1: Mary Catherine ham Is on vacation and I've got the
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  Speaker 1: amazing Bridget Fantasy sitting in with me today. Brigid is
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  Speaker 1: a writer, comedian, host of the show's Dumpster Fire and
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  Speaker 1: Walkin's Welcome And these are her words because Hi, we're
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  Speaker 1: about the same age. A geriatric mommy, high Bridget, so
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: nice to have you on.
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  Speaker 2: Why do you have to make us a geriatric mommy?
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  Speaker 3: It's a medical term. I didn't make it up. You
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  Speaker 3: have at least children that are teens, right, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: mine's four.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, Jerry, you know I think it
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  Speaker 1: keeps you youthful and.
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  Speaker 4: Totally does Yeah, I'm just owning the term. I'm just
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  Speaker 4: taking it back.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: You're recuperating it from the people who misuse it against you.
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  Speaker 1: So we're recording this on Wednesday, April firs. It's April
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: Fool's Day, like the worst day of the year on
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  Speaker 1: social media. Have you fallen for any April Fools jokes today?
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  Speaker 5: No?
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  Speaker 4: I think April Fool's Day is for psychopaths. I've always
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  Speaker 4: hated April Fool's Day with every part of my being,
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  Speaker 4: and anyone who partakes in it is a psychopath.
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  Speaker 3: That's my kind of general theory.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I felt, for one, a Jeet pay said
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  Speaker 1: he was going back to the FCC and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: that's awesome. You were so good at it, and he
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  Speaker 1: was like, sorry, it was an April Fool's prank.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And he's not a psychopath.
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  Speaker 2: But I hear you, I hear no.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think it's also I think it's also a
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  Speaker 4: time for just men to make jokes and and women.
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  Speaker 4: People can kind of say what they want to say,
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  Speaker 4: but they can't say it on this day.
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  Speaker 3: So I have people pass for that or or people to.
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  Speaker 4: Make you know, kind of offensive or lude.
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  Speaker 1: Jokes and be like, oh what, it was just April
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  Speaker 1: Fool's Day, right, I mean, I see people doing that
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  Speaker 1: on non April Fool's Day.
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  Speaker 2: But maybe maybe maybe.
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  Speaker 4: You're right, Maybe people are their day to be like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: just just hate April Fool's Day.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well, we're gonna get to the news. We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna open it up with the birthright citizenship case that
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  Speaker 1: is in SCOTUS right now. Today Trump showed up to
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  Speaker 1: the proceedings. He became the first sitting US president to
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  Speaker 1: ever attend Supreme Court oral arguments.
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  Speaker 2: Why do you imagine that might be?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: That's I mean, it's crazy to me that no one's
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  Speaker 4: ever attended before.
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  Speaker 3: I almost feel like I would attend if I was president.
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  Speaker 2: I think I don't want to know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, you know, of course, the people who don't
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  Speaker 1: like him say it's because he wanted to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: kind of threaten him, threaten them with his presence. The
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  Speaker 1: people that do like him say, well, he's just taking
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  Speaker 1: this super seriously and he wants.
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  Speaker 2: To be there.
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  Speaker 1: There is, you know, a longstanding kind of policy to
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  Speaker 1: keep distance between the executive branch and the judiciary. But
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump is his own ballgame. He's like, I'd never
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  Speaker 1: even heard of that. Norm What are you guys even
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  Speaker 1: talking about? Oh, that's interesting. I mean, I guess I
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  Speaker 1: can kind of understand it.
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  Speaker 4: But this Court has proven over and over again that
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  Speaker 4: they're an independent entity.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think vote again the as tariffs.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and look, the swing votes on this case look
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  Speaker 1: like it's going to be I mean, Amy Cony Barrett
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  Speaker 1: almost certainly and she's a Trump nominee, so you know,
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  Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with this, but it is kind
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  Speaker 1: of a big deal. It will change the way that
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  Speaker 1: we grant citizenship in this country. I'm really of mixed
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  Speaker 1: opinion on it, although I lean in the Trump administration direction,
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  Speaker 1: because I do see a lot of abuse of the
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  Speaker 1: system where I mean, I'm on all these like Russian
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  Speaker 1: speaking Facebook boards where people are constantly posting like, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: where's the easiest place to fly in have a baby,
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  Speaker 1: and like it all go well, So I see this
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  Speaker 1: happening in real time. But there is something to the
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  Speaker 1: whole thing that in America, you're born here and then
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  Speaker 1: you're an American, and that's not the way it is
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  Speaker 1: anywhere else. You could live in Japan your whole life
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  Speaker 1: and never be Japanese, et cetera. So I'm mixed, but
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  Speaker 1: leaning towards the Trump position on this.
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  Speaker 4: So you are of the opinion that illegal or not,
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  Speaker 4: if you're born here, no, you should be granted citizens right, No, No,
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  Speaker 4: I should I should clarify if you're here illegally or
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  Speaker 4: on vacation, which again is a certain segment of the population,
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  Speaker 4: then no, and the.
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  Speaker 2: Court might have a narrow ruling on this and.
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  Speaker 1: Rule that some people like if you're here legally and
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  Speaker 1: you have a child, and you know, you follow the
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  Speaker 1: process and that child is a natural born American, but
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  Speaker 1: they may say that people here on vacation or people
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  Speaker 1: here illegally, it doesn't apply to that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because now you have these crazy stories of you know,
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  Speaker 4: like Chinese billionaires bringing their firm over, which is not
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  Speaker 4: like I on her Sally was on my podcast actually
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  Speaker 4: this week it'll drop Thursday, and she said something that's
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  Speaker 4: stuck out to me.
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  Speaker 3: Our Constitution is in a suicide pact.
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  Speaker 4: So it shouldn't be that we just get to have
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  Speaker 4: all of these values weaponized against us all the time.
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  Speaker 4: And as I understand this, that the Trump administration or
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  Speaker 4: the Trump lawyers or whoever is arguing for Trump or
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  Speaker 4: are trying to say that the eighteen nineties ruling was
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  Speaker 4: the correct interpretation, right, but the other side has got
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  Speaker 4: a good argument and that they're saying, but it's been
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  Speaker 4: interpreted in the looser interpretation many times since.
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  Speaker 3: Then, right.
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine in like eighteen sixty eight, they thought
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  Speaker 1: they could imagine that people would come here and have
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  Speaker 1: children specifically on vacation for those children to be American
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  Speaker 1: or that we would have the deluge that we had
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  Speaker 1: at the border. I think that that's another part that
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  Speaker 1: you know, gets forgotten in this. The people who wrote
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  Speaker 1: these policies were not thinking about an open border where
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  Speaker 1: everybody could come in and everybody had the ability to
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  Speaker 1: I think that they just couldn't imagine that.
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  Speaker 2: At the time.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I don't know. I don't know where this
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  Speaker 1: is going to go. Do you have any predictions for us?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think the court?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: My feeling too, just the kind of normy feeling that
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  Speaker 4: I have is a leave aside the open border immigration.
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  Speaker 4: People who are walking around protesting no Kings while the
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  Speaker 4: Supreme Court votes against the King. Likely their whole thing
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  Speaker 4: is like no King, no Kings, but US kings. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: they even looking at this is what's so crazy to me.
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  Speaker 4: You look, when I look at this, say that they
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  Speaker 4: do vote, you know, five four, six three whatever it
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  Speaker 4: is against Trump on this one, and voted against him
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  Speaker 4: on the tariffs, proving that they are an independent entity
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  Speaker 4: that will vote against the quote unquote king that doesn't
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  Speaker 4: even register to the Democrats at all. They will still
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  Speaker 4: get power back, probably eliminate the filibuster pack the court
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  Speaker 4: because they don't want an independent entity. And that's what
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  Speaker 4: just keeps sticking out to me about looking at the
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  Speaker 4: you know, zooming out and looking at the at the
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  Speaker 4: big picture, right small picture.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's interesting because I think the average.
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  Speaker 4: Normy they don't want someone who was born here and
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  Speaker 4: doesn't speak Spanish or doesn't know anything about Nigeria to
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  Speaker 4: have to go back. So it does feel like and
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  Speaker 4: maybe this is something they address in this in this ruling,
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  Speaker 4: if they were to vote in favor of Trump, I
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  Speaker 4: still think you have to grandfather in all of the
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  Speaker 4: twenty million people who were born here and to illegal
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  Speaker 4: immigrants and don't have any connection to where they're actually from.
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  Speaker 3: I think the average person is like, well, we don't
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  Speaker 3: need to send them back. They don't even know that
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  Speaker 3: the language.
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  Speaker 4: But moving forward, it seems like birthrate tourism should not
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  Speaker 4: be exactly and these are just obvious things, like you say,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the normies understand all this kind of stuff intrinsically.
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  Speaker 1: It's just us on the internet who are arguing this
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  Speaker 1: ridiculous kind of minue show. Of course, people who don't
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  Speaker 1: live here shouldn't get to be American citizens if their
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  Speaker 1: kids are born here. Like what obviously, I think if
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  Speaker 1: I had to make a prediction, I think it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be a narrower ruling. It's not going to be
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  Speaker 1: all encompassing. It's going to have some parameters around it.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, again would be my preference anyway. So
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  Speaker 1: maybe I'm just.
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  Speaker 2: Rooting for that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, I will see.
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  Speaker 4: I kind of feel like it's it's always I feel
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  Speaker 4: like I should pay more attention to the Supreme Court
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  Speaker 4: because once I actually dig into it, it's so fascinating.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it.
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  Speaker 6: I like that.
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  Speaker 4: I like the and I do pay attention to it
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  Speaker 4: when I hear you know, yesterday's ruling was really fascinating
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  Speaker 4: about especially, like my husband's a therapist, so this is
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  Speaker 4: something that we were paying attention to. But I I
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  Speaker 4: at one point in my life I wanted to be
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  Speaker 4: a lawyer and I went to debate and Laune of Justice,
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  Speaker 4: and so I can totally tweak out on this, and
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  Speaker 4: I like, I think both sides in this case have
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  Speaker 4: a good argument. What bothers me is people are saying, oh,
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  Speaker 4: the Supreme Court's ruling against Trump saying that he doesn't
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  Speaker 4: have the power to do that.
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  Speaker 3: But that's not even what this case.
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  Speaker 1: Is, right right, right, right, Yeah, I could totally see
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  Speaker 1: bridge at the lawyer by the way, I could see
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  Speaker 1: a a second career, third career. I don't know, no, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not no. I don't think you needs to be combative.
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  Speaker 1: I think you're specific and you know, have an eye
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  Speaker 1: for detail. I could see it, thank you. Maybe after
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  Speaker 1: the you know, the four year old goes to college,
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  Speaker 1: their lawyers.
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  Speaker 3: Are going to be replaced by class.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I could see you looking up your cases
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  Speaker 1: on the internet and.
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  Speaker 3: Reading about them on AI.
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  Speaker 1: So all right, we're going to take a short break
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  Speaker 1: and be right back with more on Normally. We are
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: back on Normally where we're going to do a segment
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  Speaker 1: on highs.
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: And lows in the news.
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  Speaker 1: Right now today, as we record this, four astronauts are
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: heading out on a ten day journey around the Moon.
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: Read Wiseman, Christina Kotch, Victor Glover, and Jeremy Hansen are
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: doing this ten day trip. There'll be testing life support
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  Speaker 1: systems and navigation and spacecraft controls to prepare for a
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: future moon landing in twenty twenty eight.
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  Speaker 2: My kids are insanely excited about this.
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  Speaker 1: Like my ten year old, who we thought has no
• 11:13
  Speaker 1: interest outside of football, has like been talking about nothing
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: else for many many days.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's I get I couldn't sleep last night.
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  Speaker 3: I was so excitedly and nervous. Wow, I just get
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  Speaker 3: so there. I don't know.
• 11:27
  Speaker 4: I come home when I get home really late from comedy,
• 11:30
  Speaker 4: I always stop and look up at the sky. And
• 11:34
  Speaker 4: my daughter has been obsessed with space since she was born.
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  Speaker 4: She when she was really little, she told me she
• 11:40
  Speaker 4: was going to live on Earth and Mars, which is
• 11:42
  Speaker 4: very funny, and she could name the planets in the
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  Speaker 4: sky when she saw. She was just obsessed with it
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  Speaker 4: and it inspired. It's always inspired so much wonder and ah,
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  Speaker 4: and it feels like that aspirational thing that you know,
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  Speaker 4: there are these moments where you look around and I
• 12:00
  Speaker 4: used to have these moments even at music festivals, which
• 12:02
  Speaker 4: sounds silly.
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  Speaker 2: So I get it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know where you hear the music and you're
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  Speaker 4: seeing people and they're dancing and everybody's just driving and
• 12:10
  Speaker 4: getting along and the music is playing, or you're at
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  Speaker 4: a really amazing concert in the Disney Hall and this amazing,
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  Speaker 4: beautiful architecture, and you're like, this is stuff that humans
• 12:22
  Speaker 4: do well.
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  Speaker 3: This is what makes humanity.
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  Speaker 4: It gives me chills, it makes me I'll get emotional
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  Speaker 4: thinking about it, and I feel like this is another
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  Speaker 4: one of those moments where we can all join together
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  Speaker 4: and be hopeful and aspirational and even in the having
• 12:39
  Speaker 4: seen it with like what Elon's doing in the private sector,
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  Speaker 4: having these rockets.
• 12:45
  Speaker 3: Take off more than once, and it's it's a.
• 12:47
  Speaker 4: Crazy time in really new space race and this is
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  Speaker 4: I mean, every time I fly, I get this, like,
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  Speaker 4: how this is.
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  Speaker 2: You're so cute.
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  Speaker 1: I had no idea you were so like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: is it optimistic. It's not even optimistic. It's like you're
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  Speaker 1: just full of heart. I really love that, truly love.
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  Speaker 4: I'm so I'm just so excited about this. I can't
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  Speaker 4: wait to I'm excited and fearful because I was also
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  Speaker 4: a child in nineteen eighty six.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so I have the like deeply ingrained drama.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, I was worried about talking about this in
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  Speaker 1: advance of it on the show today.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we're going to do it. It's a high point
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  Speaker 2: for America.
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  Speaker 1: It's like you said, a point of something to unite us,
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  Speaker 1: and I.
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  Speaker 2: Just love that about it.
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  Speaker 1: We actually have a clip of NASA Press Secretary Bethany
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  Speaker 1: Stevens talking about the launch and that power to unite Americans.
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  Speaker 2: Let's play that.
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  Speaker 6: I was wondering about this because there's a level of
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  Speaker 6: national pride in something like this. You know, you see
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  Speaker 6: NASA astronauts circling around the Moon for this ten day mission,
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  Speaker 6: and everybody gets excited about it. It's something that could
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  Speaker 6: even bring a country together. So if you could talk
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  Speaker 6: a little bit about that and outside of the space
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  Speaker 6: element and a science element of this, what does this
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  Speaker 6: do for the country.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely, I think you're incredibly right. This is a unifying
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  Speaker 5: moment for the nation. We can all unite behind going
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  Speaker 5: back to the Moon. As we've mentioned several times, it's
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  Speaker 5: been over half a century since we've been there. Under
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  Speaker 5: the Obama administration, moon landings were canceled, and every single
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  Speaker 5: president for thirty five years has vowed to get back
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  Speaker 5: to the moon. Under President Trump, we're going to make
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  Speaker 5: that dream a reality.
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  Speaker 6: Well, we will be watching later this evening, and then
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  Speaker 6: in ten days time we will be watching the descent
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  Speaker 6: as well.
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  Speaker 2: It's really cool.
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  Speaker 1: I'm you know, looking forward to seeing that them go
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  Speaker 1: up today and I hope everything goes safely and everything
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: works out okay, and we're talking about this tomorrow about
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: how amazing everything went and how cool it was to
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  Speaker 1: see it.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, depending on what part of the Internet you're on,
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: it could be our first time.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if it's already our.
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  Speaker 1: First time, these people are not going to believe it's
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  Speaker 1: happening anyway.
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: Green screen, like a real, really good green screen.
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: Oh boy, gosh, we really are so the lows of
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  Speaker 1: what's going on in our news. Christy Nome's husband Brian Nome,
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  Speaker 1: was exposed yesterday as a cross dressing fetishist who's into
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: I don't even know, something called bimboism. It's bizarre and weird,
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  Speaker 1: and a picture of him are many pictures of surfaced
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: of him, but he's in these like prosthetic boobs that
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: are all misaligned and the nipples are pointing in every direction.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't want to be on this part of
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: the internet.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: I did not want to see that.
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  Speaker 1: I did not have any interest in this, and yet
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  Speaker 1: his fake boobs were all.
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  Speaker 2: Up in my face.
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  Speaker 4: Well now I know why Christy was shooting dogs.
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  Speaker 1: Have you seen the joke that was like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: knowing what we know now, maybe the dog shot itself.
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  Speaker 4: Oh no, I saw one that was a play on
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  Speaker 4: the Game of Thrones and it was a dog.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, right, it was me. Yep, Christy was me.
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  Speaker 4: There there was, But wasn't it allegedly some illegal immigrant
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  Speaker 4: who leaked this.
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  Speaker 1: Do not buy that story, Okay, I mean I know
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  Speaker 1: that that is what.
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  Speaker 2: That is what they're saying.
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  Speaker 1: I look, my poker Spidey sense is like, I call,
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  Speaker 1: there's no way that that's really what happened.
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  Speaker 2: Look, is there a legal immigrant maybe involved?
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  Speaker 1: Sure, but that they figured out that he was Christy
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  Speaker 1: Nolms's husband and then got revenge because of Christy Nolmes
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  Speaker 1: DHS policies, it just seems like a little far.
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  Speaker 2: Fetched to me. I don't want to say that.
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  Speaker 1: The most obvious explanation is the right one, which is
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  Speaker 1: that Christy Nolmes was famously fired from her role at
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  Speaker 1: DHS on March fifth, after she was unable to answer
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  Speaker 1: whether she was having an affair with married top aid
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  Speaker 1: Corey Lowandowski at a congressional hearing.
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  Speaker 2: Now, well, this was like the most open secret in DC.
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  Speaker 1: Ever, everybody knew that Christy Nome and Corey Lewandowski are
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: having an affair, allegedly, so now that she says that
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  Speaker 1: these photos have, you know, devastated her, the family was
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  Speaker 1: blindsided by this and they asked for privacy and prayers
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  Speaker 1: at the time.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't buy any of that. I do not
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  Speaker 2: buy that she didn't know.
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  Speaker 1: I my guess is that she has something to do
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: with these pictures leaking to get the pressure off of
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: her and Corey. It's it's ugly, it really is. These
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: poor kids and grandkids. Yeah, yeah, that's what I was
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: thinking of. It's I feel bad for the kids and grandkids.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: It reminds me too of how TMZ is now chasing
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: down all the senators and representatives, and they're in Washington,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: d C.
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  Speaker 3: And they've got a new office, which I was jo weird.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: It's it's not weird though, because it's it's not weird
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  Speaker 4: because politics is entertainment.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: Now we have yes and Hollywood is dead. By the way,
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  Speaker 3: that point that you made is really the real one.
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  Speaker 2: Hollywood is dead.
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing to see there, so and they're showing us
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: everything on their own social media sites. Anyway, So right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: TMZ exists to uncover secrets and things that people don't
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  Speaker 1: want exposed, and Hollywood has exposed everything and there's no
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: shame left. So yeah, let's go after the politicians. But
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: it's weird because DC was always Hollywood for ugly people.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: So TMZ is kind of lowering itself a little bit
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: here in pursuit of this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I mean I'll be reading it.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: I was, like I said, all that I will be
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: clicking over. I mean, Drudge Report.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Used to exist for this kind of thing, but he
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: was just an aggregator. I think TMZ will be really
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: looking into different stories and pursuing leads.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we'll see. We'll see how that goes down.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: I still think there's plenty of corruption and stuff in Hollywood,
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: but I don't I don't know that it's a kind
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: that TMZ could expose, because it's more it would be
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: more like how things like the Academy are skewed to
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: forget movies that nobody actually likes, right yeah, or how
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: people in writers' rooms are kind of forced to get
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: you know, staff their rooms a certain way because of
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: d policy.
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  Speaker 3: Like how is TMZ going to cover that.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: And to make certain comments on the shows, and to
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: pitch it from a certain perspective all of that.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Also TMZ is also on the left, so they wouldn't
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: even they wouldn't even see a problem with that. They'd
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: be like, right, yeah, obviously they have DEI and they
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: have to push a certain perspective, don't we all?
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but are they going to investigate like ilan Omar's
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: you know marriage.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: That'd be interesting.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: All right, We're going to take a short break and
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: be right back with one more segment of Normally with.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Guest hosts Bridget Bettas.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: We are back on Normally, where Bridget just had a
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: really blockbuster piece called leave Me Behind. If you haven't
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: read it, I highly highly recommend it. It's just the
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: pursuit of the audience and shifting your opinions and trying
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: to fit in with the kids is also embarrassing. And
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: those of us in gen X fully understand that Bridget
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: tweeted today over a million views on my leave me
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Behind piece here.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: That is crazy.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Whatever's going on in new media reminds me a lot
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: of what happened with old media twenty fifteen to twenty
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: twenty one. Everyone is in some weird bubble and meanwhile
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: normal people are looking around going tell us about it?
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: What was the piece like to write? It's so funny
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: because I wrote it.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: I I've had these pieces just lying around. I had
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: one a couple weeks ago that was about just the
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: love letter to normy women for holding it down because
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: I feel like there's not much.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: We talked about it on this show on Normally Okay,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: so there's that. And this one was also just lying around.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: Sometimes when I warm up, so I'm writing a book
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: which I can't talk about. But when I war sometimes
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: i'll sit down and I won't be ready to write
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: the book, and then I'll have something else in my mind,
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: and now I'm just like, just write it.
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  Speaker 2: Just get it out.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: Sometimes I have a column its Spectator, and I have
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: a sub sex so I can put it there, so
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: I'll just let myself get it out of the way.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: And I had these pieces just lying around, And this
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: was really born out of just the frustration I was feeling.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: But also I started.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: Feeling like that person that I was in twenty fifteen
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: to twenty one when people started kind of whispering to me,
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: like what happened to so and so, what's going on
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: with so and so?
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Am I crazy? And so?
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: Normal people are watching and they see these huge platforms
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: going in one direction. A lot of it I think
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: is probably AstroTurf too.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: I don't even trust those numbers.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, normal people are saying, much like in fifteen to
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty one when the Left started losing their mind,
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: They're going.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Am I crazy? Am I the crazy one?
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: And I think what always surprises me is that I
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: write this thing and it's very blog it's bloggy, it's
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: a little bit I love blogging, naval Gayzy and I
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: had been reading The War of Art and it was
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: really something just to ground me and what I was doing,
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: because there is so much pressure when you're in the
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: media space to try and chase the numbers. And I
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: have to always remember one, it's not about me. It's
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: about connecting to people, which is always what I'm trying
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: to do endlessly and imperfectly. Making sense of the world
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: very publicly is not easy when you're making sense trying
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: to make sense of the world publicly, and there are
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: all of these other incentives like money involved, and like
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: the power numbers and analytics. It can feel very hopeless
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: and frustrating. And then I would see these influencers and
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: they were all saying, which to me, undermines their own
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: influence by saying, oh, we see where the under forty
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: population is going on XYZ topic, usually Israel. And to me,
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: I say, well, then do you not have any influence
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: at all? So you're just going to pivot in that
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: direction because you think they're right, or you're saying that
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: that's what's popular.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Do you know how many things have been popular throughout.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: History that we're wrong, so we're just you don't have
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: And then it makes me question do these people believe
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: anything at all? Right? But then instead of looking outward,
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: I always have to look inward and say, what is
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: my purpose?
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: What do I value? What do I believe?
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: My transition from being very liberal to where I would
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: say probably sent or right at this point, I didn't.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Just react to the left.
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  Speaker 4: I was very very intentional and making sure that I
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: wasn't only just reacting to the left, and I engaged
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: with a lot of right wing media, and I think
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: a lot of people who came from the left just
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: reacted and didn't necessarily engage with it. So I really
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: remember I remember a long time ago Ben Shapiro actually
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: had something where you said, what are your values?
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: And I was like values, huh?
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Like what are my piero always making you think about it?
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Values?
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: What a strange and interesting concept, and what are my
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: values in relation to?
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: What is this amazing thing?
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: Like I read the Federalist papers, which I hadn't read
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: probably since high school. I just went back into the
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: great gift we were given in this country and under
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: trying to understand what conservatives were trying to conserve. Also
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: living through the never Trump was pushing back against Trump,
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: and it was It's been a It's been just very
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: interesting and confusing, and I've been wrong about a lot
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: of things, and I will continue to be wrong about more.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: But I have found that that kind.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: Of spidey sense of saying you're not alone and you're
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: not crazy, that instinct is usually usually I tap into
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: something way bigger than I even expected to when I
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: put a piece like that out, and you won't be
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: chasing the opinions of children probably. I mean, it's it's
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: funny because we were all neglected by our.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Like we've been are our parents, and so it's like
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: people are like, you know, I we we had.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: I don't feel like the older generation and chase our
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: opinion at all.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: They just kind of looked at us and let be.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: But because they were just neglecting us completely for many
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: of us, so they didn't.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: They didn't.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: They were old enough to understand that you Okay, I
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: was young, I was a hippie, I was I thought
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: all these things. Now I got older, I have bills
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: to bay. I'm a shamed I think you change. And
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: I can let the twenty year olds be twenty year olds,
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: but I don't.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: I don't need to. I don't need to chase them.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: I can listen to what they're saying and try and
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: hear them and try and understand them. And I can
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: try and urge them to resist the instinct to become
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: a victim because I've also been there, and I can
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: teach them what I know about recovery and being a
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Wild child.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Will say, I guess politely.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: That I and trying to make sense of America right now,
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: But they're gonna That's not how influence works, right, you know.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: Influence doesn't work by like trying to be cool.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no way to actually be cool. So don't.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: I think it's the same with people who are chasing
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: the young people and trying to cater their opinions to them.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: I see them as the same as like the people
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: who try to dress.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Like young people. Like everybody sees through it. Just stop it.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: It's like the mom trying to be cool for her kids.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: So yeah, like you a parent, right, And also the
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: kids do not think that's cool.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: They think it's cringe, very very cringe, and.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: The kids see through it.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: The kids are not like, oh my mom is so
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: cool wearing the same outfits as me.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Not at all, not at all. No, most kids would
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: rather have their parents be really annoying dogs.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, even if they are like, oh mom, you're
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: such a dog, it's better than like the love that
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: like smoking cigarettes with their kids or whatever.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for coming on Bridget. She
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: is Bridget Fantasy.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Check her out on Walkins, Welcome and Dumpster Fire. Thank you, Bridget.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: You are awesome. We talk about you a lot on normally.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, I love your gust host with me today.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. It's always a pleasure to
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: catch up with you.
• 28:16
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