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MISSING MOM'S CHEVY JUST FOUND ON REMOTE COUNTY ROAD: WHERE IS NIKKI? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A gorgeous, young missing mom
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  Speaker 1: of four's Chevy Avalanche just found on a remote and
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  Speaker 1: hilly county road. Where is Nicki? A Nancy Grace? This
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  Speaker 1: is crime Stories, Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: A California mom of four missing, her truck found abandoned
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  Speaker 2: in a different county. Where is Niki Chang Sale McCain.
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  Speaker 1: How does a gorgeous young mom like Niki seemingly vanish
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  Speaker 1: into thin air? Why is her Chevy avalanche found along
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  Speaker 1: a hilly and remote county road there in Shasta County. Now,
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  Speaker 1: if she were gone and her avalanche was also gone,
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  Speaker 1: that would make more sense than her being separated from
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  Speaker 1: her car from her truck. A Chevy avalanche, that's not
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  Speaker 1: making sense. And why would it be parked left out
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere? Why would she have been there?
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  Speaker 1: She wouldn't have been even if she had been there
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  Speaker 1: for some reason to or fro in transit. Why would
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  Speaker 1: she get out of her Chevy Avalanche? And what disappear
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  Speaker 1: out into the hills that did not happen? Where is Niki?
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  Speaker 1: And this is not just about Niki change, as her
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  Speaker 1: family calls her, This is about her four children as well,
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  Speaker 1: one as young as seven years old. What about them?
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  Speaker 1: Who's taking care of them? Who's explaining, Yeah, mommy's not
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  Speaker 1: home again tonight. Mommy's not home again tonight. But hey,
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  Speaker 1: here's a Chevy avalanche again. This is crime Stories. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grayson. I want to thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: I'm very concerned about the slow mo the slow motion
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  Speaker 1: search for Niki, because we all know that ours count
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  Speaker 1: when someone goes missing. Look at her? Where is she?
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  Speaker 1: If you have information on missing NICKI tipline five three
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  Speaker 1: zero two four five six y five four zero repeat
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  Speaker 1: five three zero two four five six ' five for zero,
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  Speaker 1: joining me an all star panel, And I want to
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  Speaker 1: reiterate there was a ten thousand dollar reward for information
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  Speaker 1: leading to Nikki's whereabouts ten thousand dollars, as I said,
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  Speaker 1: an all star panel. To make sense of what we
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  Speaker 1: know right now, including her two lookalike sisters, the spitting
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  Speaker 1: image of Nikki.
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  Speaker 3: But first listen to this Nicky sale. McCain sends a
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  Speaker 3: text message to her sister just after midnight on May eighteenth,
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  Speaker 3: saying she's driving Tyler McCain's mother's vehicle back to his
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  Speaker 3: mother's home near the wind River Casino. When Nikki doesn't
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  Speaker 3: respond to text from her family later that morning at
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  Speaker 3: seven am and eight am, the family is concerned. The
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  Speaker 3: family immediately begins looking for Nicki and her Chevrolet Avalanche truck.
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  Speaker 3: Nicki has four children and would never have left them
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  Speaker 3: without notice, and an official missing person report is filed
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  Speaker 3: with Shasta counting well.
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  Speaker 1: The family wasted no time in reporting her missing. That's
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  Speaker 1: the bright spot so far. Please join us in our
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  Speaker 1: search for Nikki. Chaine Sale McCain, I want to first
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  Speaker 1: go out to Nicki's sisters joining us, Chloe and Kay.
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  Speaker 4: First to Chloe.
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  Speaker 1: Chloe, tell me about when you first learned your sister.
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  Speaker 1: The three of you are very very close. Well, was
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  Speaker 1: not answering phone calls or texts.
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  Speaker 5: You know, At first I was like, okay, this is normal.
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  Speaker 5: What's really early for a text message? Maybe she's still sleeping.
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  Speaker 5: But then I had noticed that they were green. If
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  Speaker 5: you have an iPhone, if the text message goes through,
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  Speaker 5: you know it's blue.
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  Speaker 6: But then we.
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  Speaker 5: Noticed that text message is we're green, and so I
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  Speaker 5: was thinking maybe her phone maybe was just dead. So
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  Speaker 5: I didn't immediately panic, just yet.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on Chloe, can you back it up one moment,
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  Speaker 1: go through that one more time. I've seen that on
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  Speaker 1: my phone too, where normally you send a text and
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  Speaker 1: it's in a blue bubble and sometimes it's in green.
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  Speaker 1: Now slow down just a moment. You said too early
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  Speaker 1: in the morning. Maybe she was still asleep. But she's
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  Speaker 1: not a late sleeper to my understanding. Is that correct?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, she's not a life sleeper.
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  Speaker 1: I mean with four children who can sleep late. So
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  Speaker 1: you text her early in the morning, she doesn't respond,
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  Speaker 1: but you say, hey, maybe maybe it's too early for
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  Speaker 1: her to be texting asleep, busy with the children. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Vini says something about blue and green. Pick it up
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  Speaker 1: right there, Chloe, please. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So when it's blue, that means you have cell service
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  Speaker 5: or that your phone is not dead. But when it's green,
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  Speaker 5: that usually means you either don't have service or your
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  Speaker 5: cell phone is dead. And so that morning we were
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  Speaker 5: kind of in a rush. We're getting ready to go
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  Speaker 5: to a soccer game, and so I was like, you
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  Speaker 5: know what, it's fine, we'll just I'll.
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  Speaker 6: Talk to her later.
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  Speaker 5: So I didn't hear from her, and we did have
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  Speaker 5: a very.
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  Speaker 6: Busy weekend, and then.
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  Speaker 5: We didn't really think much of it, but then starting,
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  Speaker 5: you know, throughout the week, we're like, wait, Nikki has
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  Speaker 5: not text in our family group message and so then
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  Speaker 5: I was thinking maybe she was just at my mom's
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  Speaker 5: house and so, and then by Tuesday.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, hold on right there, let me follow up with that.
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  Speaker 1: Chloe started to interrupt. But I don't want to miss
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  Speaker 1: in detail because, as we all know and our other
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  Speaker 1: experts will jump in just a moment, every detail matters,
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  Speaker 1: every detail, the timing matters, the location matters. Now you're
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  Speaker 1: saying you were texting early in the morning, you thought, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I got to go to the soccer game.
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  Speaker 4: I'll circle back with her, and.
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  Speaker 1: Then you realize, you know, many hours later, Hey, I
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  Speaker 1: never heard back from her. This is where I want clarification.
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  Speaker 1: You just assumed she had gone over to your mom's.
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  Speaker 1: Did I hear that correctly?
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  Speaker 6: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: How far away does Nicky live from your mother?
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  Speaker 5: Not very far, about maybe a fifteen minute drive, not
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  Speaker 5: very far at all.
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  Speaker 1: I want to check my information, Chloe, and I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to bring in Kay for this is Nikki's other lookalike sister,
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  Speaker 1: Chloe to get from Nikki's home to her mother's home.
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  Speaker 4: Would she have to go.
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  Speaker 1: Past where her vehicle where Chevy is finally located.
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  Speaker 4: Would that be en route?
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  Speaker 6: No, not at all.
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  Speaker 5: That's different direction.
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  Speaker 4: Chloe.
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  Speaker 1: Did your sister Nikki often go visit with your mom?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, she did, so we just assume she's at my
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  Speaker 5: mom's house. And then Monday rolls around, and you know,
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  Speaker 5: it's busy. I'm getting it's the end of the school year,
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  Speaker 5: and so I'm just kind of we're super busy. And
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  Speaker 5: so then by Tuesday, I'm like, wait a second, have
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  Speaker 5: you guys heard from from Mickey? And so we text
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  Speaker 5: my family group message and we're kind of like trying
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  Speaker 5: to figure out where she is.
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  Speaker 4: I call my mom.
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  Speaker 5: My Mom's like, no, we have not seen her. And
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  Speaker 5: so this is when we're really starting to panic. And
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  Speaker 5: so then on.
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  Speaker 1: Wednesday, right right there, started to break in. But what
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  Speaker 1: is her practicing custom regarding texts? See, I've got one
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  Speaker 1: sibling that never you have to write over and over
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  Speaker 1: and over, and finally I have to write the spouse
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  Speaker 1: okay and say, hey, what's happening. That's normal, that's no
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  Speaker 1: big deal. The other sibling writes back just like that.
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  Speaker 1: So my question is what kind of texture is Nikki?
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  Speaker 5: Actually she has a little bit of both.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: The reason I'm asking is because at this juncture, by Monday,
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  Speaker 1: it's still not really a big deal that she hasn't
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  Speaker 1: text back, because sometimes she does that, right.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, uh huh, but it doesn't go that long without
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  Speaker 5: her texting me back.
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  Speaker 4: Gotcha, gotcha.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, my sister, who I adore, has her hands full
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  Speaker 1: with a lot of things, and sometimes she can go
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  Speaker 1: like ten days and go, oh yeah, right, I meant
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  Speaker 1: to text earlier, and it's really no big dealing. I
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  Speaker 1: don't find that unusual. Okay, So we're at Monday, then
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  Speaker 1: what happens?
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  Speaker 5: Okay, so we're okay. I was like, okay, so no
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  Speaker 5: text message and I didn't really think much. And then
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  Speaker 5: by Tuesday that's when we kind of start to panic
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  Speaker 5: and kind of get worried about where she might be
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  Speaker 5: because my mom's like, oh no, I haven't seen her.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you were hearing Chloe Sali, this is Nikki's lookalike sister.
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  Speaker 1: Now I'm want to go to other sister, kay Ford,
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  Speaker 1: Kay to both of you. Is so important that you
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  Speaker 1: are speaking out now you've been trying to speak out
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  Speaker 1: you've been searching, you've been putting up flyers, you've been
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  Speaker 1: doing everything right. But for some reason, nobody seems to
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  Speaker 1: have been looking for her. And I think it has
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  Speaker 1: to do with getting on to a plot of land
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  Speaker 1: that is tribal land. You can just ride on there
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  Speaker 1: and start looking, among other things which I'll go into,
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  Speaker 1: but hey, we're here now, we're looking now for everybody
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  Speaker 1: joining us. I want to give you that tip line again.
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  Speaker 1: Five three zero two four five sixty five four zero
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  Speaker 1: slowly five three zero two four five six ' five
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  Speaker 1: four zero.
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  Speaker 4: Listen.
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  Speaker 1: There's a ten thousand dollar reward for information leading to
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  Speaker 1: Nicky's whereabouts. You want ten thousand dollars, work for it.
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  Speaker 1: Call the tip line back to kay Ford. Nikki's sister Kate.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me about when you I imagine you and Chlobe
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  Speaker 1: were on the phone NonStop once she realized, hey, she's
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  Speaker 1: not responding. But tell me when it dawned on you
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  Speaker 1: how it came about, Kay that you realize Nicki's not answering.
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  Speaker 6: I can't find her when you know, like Chloe said,
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  Speaker 6: the messages weren't going through.
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  Speaker 7: We hadn't heard from her and everyone that we had
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  Speaker 7: talked to during that time. You know, no one really
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  Speaker 7: had a concrete answer or a good explanation about what
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  Speaker 7: would she had been doing or where she had gone.
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  Speaker 4: Now here's my question.
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  Speaker 1: I understand that shortly after midnight that Niki Chang, Niki
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  Speaker 1: sends a text that she is taking her mother in
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  Speaker 1: law's vehicle back to the mother in law's home.
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  Speaker 4: Did you get that text?
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  Speaker 8: Kay?
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  Speaker 6: No, this one was send directly to Chloe.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Chloe gets that text. Okay, Chloe, that text. That's
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  Speaker 1: around midnight. She's texting with you, and I know you
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  Speaker 1: and Kay and Nikki share all information extremely close. You
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  Speaker 1: get this text stating that she is taking her mother
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  Speaker 1: in law's car back to the mother in law's house. Now,
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  Speaker 1: that's at midnight, and it's near the Wynn River Casino.
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  Speaker 4: Is that right, Chloe?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, that's right.
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  Speaker 4: Does anybody in the family work at the casino?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, we have family members who do work at Wind
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  Speaker 5: River Casino, and Nikki herself worked there as well before
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  Speaker 5: a few years before.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So she had worked at a casino as.
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  Speaker 5: A what she was a culture which as.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, now, who works at the casino now? Within your family? Oh?
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  Speaker 6: No, one works at the casino. Her mother in law
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  Speaker 6: lives on the rancheria, which is two doors down from
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  Speaker 6: the casino.
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  Speaker 1: Got you, okay, so nobody's working there now. The mother
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  Speaker 1: in law lives a little bit down at the ranch
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  Speaker 1: area at near wind River Casino. Do I have that correct?
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  Speaker 6: Yes?
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  Speaker 4: Okay? Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Was the mother in law's vehicle actually taken to the
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  Speaker 1: mother in law's did that happen?
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  Speaker 6: From her messages? That's where she was headed. We didn't
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  Speaker 6: hear from her as far as once she got to
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  Speaker 6: the mother in law's house, so we can't definitive to
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  Speaker 6: confirm that.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Do either of you know if the mother in law's
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  Speaker 1: car made it to the mother in law's house. Is
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  Speaker 1: the car where it's supposed to be? Yes? Okay, all right?
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  Speaker 1: What kind of car is that?
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  Speaker 4: Leave it?
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  Speaker 1: All right?
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  Speaker 4: Gotcha?
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  Speaker 1: Something that looks like a white Chevy Tahoe. All right,
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  Speaker 1: So that made it there? Now, here's my question. Was
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  Speaker 1: the mother in law in the car with her or
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  Speaker 1: was she just driving the car back on her own
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  Speaker 1: and then getting a ride back home?
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  Speaker 4: How was that working?
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  Speaker 6: She was driving to buy herself in the vehicle by herself?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, here's a.
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  Speaker 1: It may sound like an odd question, but Chloe, you
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  Speaker 1: got the text. Did the text appear to be from Nikki?
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  Speaker 1: You know, everybody has a style of texting. My texts
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  Speaker 1: are as short as possible. Other people go on and
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  Speaker 1: on and on. They'll send you three paragraphs in a text.
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  Speaker 1: Was this text from Niki her normal texting style?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, it was, because right before that we were kind
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  Speaker 5: of talking about other things too, So I that only
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  Speaker 5: mean her would have know, So it didn't.
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  Speaker 4: Occur like what what other things?
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  Speaker 5: She was just talking about the situation with her, the
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  Speaker 5: family member that was in the hospital, and just kind
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  Speaker 5: of the people mentioning children's names, and so it felt
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  Speaker 5: like it was her.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So you feel sure that that was Niki texting,
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  Speaker 1: and you believe based on that. This is very important, ladies,
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  Speaker 1: because this is starting my timeline. You believe she was
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  Speaker 1: alive that at midnight that night, and you believe, based
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  Speaker 1: on the authenticity of that text, that she Nicki sent
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  Speaker 1: that text. And because it was Nicki sending the text,
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  Speaker 1: you believe she really was returning that car to her
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  Speaker 1: mother in law's. Would you agree yes or no?
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Now, isn't it true, ladies, that after that text, no
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  Speaker 1: one sees or hears from Niki again.
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  Speaker 2: Correct Ridding Police called on the public for help in
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  Speaker 2: finding a California mom missing for over a month.
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  Speaker 1: Niki now missing a month. Four children are asking where's mommy?
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  Speaker 1: As young as seven years old. We are learning her
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  Speaker 1: Chevy Avalanche found in a remote and hilly area on
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  Speaker 1: an Old County road. But here's another problem in the
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  Speaker 1: search for Nicki. The time delay listen. Eight days passed.
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  Speaker 9: From when Nikki Chang Sale McCain was last seen by
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  Speaker 9: her family and the day her truck was found abandoned
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  Speaker 9: into Hamma County. According to a missing person's flyer released
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  Speaker 9: by the family, McCain was reportedly picked up from a
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  Speaker 9: residence near Wynn River Casino in Redding, California, and may
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  Speaker 9: have been later dropped off at her home in Anderson.
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  Speaker 9: Investigators have not said where Intohama County the two thousand
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  Speaker 9: and two Chevrolet Avalanche was found, or if the location
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  Speaker 9: is the home where McCain may have been picked up.
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  Speaker 9: Police have also not released whether the truck was in
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  Speaker 9: working order.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, this is a problem.
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  Speaker 1: How did she get from the mother in laws back
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  Speaker 1: to her place?
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  Speaker 4: Did she ever get a ride?
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  Speaker 1: Did she get a ride?
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  Speaker 4: If so?
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  Speaker 1: With who joining me? An all star pedal to make
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  Speaker 1: sense of what we know right now. For those of
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  Speaker 1: you joining us, there is a ten thousand dollar reward
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  Speaker 1: for information that leads to the location of Niki changed
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  Speaker 1: Sale McCain, known as Nicki. Her family calls her Niki
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  Speaker 1: chain Uh. To Dave Matt crimeonline dot Com investigative reporter,
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  Speaker 1: I understand that her Chevy Avalanche was found in this
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  Speaker 1: hilly terrain. What I don't get is how we go
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  Speaker 1: from her being in her mom in law's white Tahoe.
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  Speaker 1: How did she go from that to her Chevy being
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  Speaker 1: in a completely different area?
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  Speaker 4: Control Room.
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  Speaker 1: If I could see that map again, it's completely way
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  Speaker 1: away from any radius where Nikki would have been traveling.
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  Speaker 1: Look where her Look where her avalanche was located as
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  Speaker 1: it relates to her home. And the reason we've got
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  Speaker 1: the wind River Resort casino up there is because that's
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  Speaker 1: where the mother in law lives. So that's not en route,
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  Speaker 1: Dave mac Dave, what can you tell me about where
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  Speaker 1: this vehicle is located? And then I'm going to circle
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  Speaker 1: back on how critical it is to this investigation that
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  Speaker 1: we've lost eight days.
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  Speaker 4: Go ahead, all right.
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  Speaker 3: The distance is about forty five miles from the Wind
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  Speaker 3: casino or the Wind Yeah, from where the casino is
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  Speaker 3: to where the vehicle was actually found. You mentioned a
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  Speaker 3: rugged kind of hilly terrain. Well, it was actually a
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  Speaker 3: bridge area like an overpass with an off ramp, And
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  Speaker 3: my understanding is that the vehicle was actually pulled around
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  Speaker 3: the off ramp and underneath like it was being stashed
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  Speaker 3: a little bit. See there, you've got the one place
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  Speaker 3: that it could actually be considered maybe a bridge, very
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  Speaker 3: rural train forty five minutes from or forty five miles
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  Speaker 3: rather from the casino. And all we know is that
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  Speaker 3: she took her mother in law's car to a home.
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  Speaker 1: Owned by the family. We don't know what happened.
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  Speaker 3: She was supposed to be picked up by somebody and
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  Speaker 3: taking to her home and Anderson, but there's nothing indicating
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  Speaker 3: that took place. All we know is that she arrived
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  Speaker 3: with her mother in law's car and her vehicle ended
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  Speaker 3: up forty five miles away in the middle of nowhere.
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  Speaker 1: Now I could understand. Let's just pretend, okay, let's pretend
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  Speaker 1: this is a real flight of fancy. Let's just pretend
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  Speaker 1: she ran out of gas or head car trouble, flat tire.
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  Speaker 1: Why would she pull her vehicle, her avalanche, up under
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  Speaker 1: that behemoth.
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  Speaker 4: There is no reason she wouldn't be under there.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody stashed her car under that overpass. Crime Stories with
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace joining me an incredible team of experts. In
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  Speaker 1: addition to Dave mac Ted Tobias joining us out of DC,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: former Assistant US Attorney in DC and author of Nobody
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Homicide Cases, A practical guide to investigating, prosecuting, and winning
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: cases when the victim is missing. Also with me, Brian Fitzgibbons,
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  Speaker 1: director of Operations for USPA Nationwide Security, who leads a
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: team of investigators specializing and finding missing people. Okay, first
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: to you, Ted Debias joining us out of DC. Ted,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: that vehicle, the Chevy Avalanche, must be coned carefully and
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: processed correctly.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: We can't screw this up. What should be done or should.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Be being done right now with that avalanche.
• 19:41
  Speaker 10: Absolutely, Nancy, you're going to want your crime scene folks
• 19:44
  Speaker 10: to scrub this thing like never before. You're looking for DNA,
• 19:47
  Speaker 10: you're looking for blood, hair fiber. You're also going to
• 19:51
  Speaker 10: check and see does this have a GPS. A lot
• 19:53
  Speaker 10: of cars today have tracking devices that are part of
• 19:56
  Speaker 10: their system. Used to be on Star and some of
• 19:58
  Speaker 10: these other things to to check for that. You're also
• 20:01
  Speaker 10: going to be looking for, Okay, where is the cell
• 20:04
  Speaker 10: phone of Nikki. We already know she had a cell phone,
• 20:08
  Speaker 10: we know she was texting. You're going to start looking
• 20:11
  Speaker 10: at cell tower information and figure out where could she be. Now,
• 20:15
  Speaker 10: if it's a rural area, which I think a number
• 20:18
  Speaker 10: of your folks on the program have said, that could
• 20:21
  Speaker 10: be more difficult because rural areas tend to have fewer
• 20:24
  Speaker 10: cell towers and it becomes more difficult to track where
• 20:27
  Speaker 10: those phones are. But those are the types of forensic
• 20:30
  Speaker 10: evidence which is key in a missing person's case, particularly
• 20:34
  Speaker 10: if God forbid it turns into a nobody homicide. The
• 20:37
  Speaker 10: forensic evidence is always key to these cases.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Nancy, Dad, when you stay, it's got to be you said, scrubbed.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: It needs to be processed with the fine tooth com
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: And this is where I have found evidence in the past,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: on the handle on the driver's door handle where somebody
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: opens the door, around the handle on the ignition and
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: if there is a gear shift on the shift. Also
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: I've had a case, and specifically it was the case
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: of Teresa Halback, who was a victim of Stephen Avery
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: who became a media darling and making a murderer. Okay,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: he killed her, no question, Asuri agreed his perspiration. His
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: DNA was found on the ignition they didn't know each other,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: and so there was no reason for that to be
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: His DNA was found elsewhere. But that said, it's very
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: important that this avalanche be processed appropriately and very carefully.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: I've seen cases rise and fall on let me just say, sloppy,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: sloppy gathering of evidence. And I've got a quick question
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: to one of the sisters, either one Chloe kay Am.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I seeing a handicap sticker on her tag?
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Tyler had just bought her maybe a week or
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: two before she went missing.
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: So it had not been registered to them yet.
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  Speaker 4: A handicapped sticker for what?
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: Who's handing the previous owners? So this vehicle was not
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: registered yet to Tyler or NICKI.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, and that previous owner had a handicapped sticker, correct,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: is that right?
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: Yes?
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Okay? So how long had they had the Chevy?
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: I want to say before she went missing? A week
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: or two?
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Two weeks before she went missing. Gotcha, Okay, could be important.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: It will confuse getting fingerprints because there's going to be
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of other people's prints in there that are
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: not theirs. But that said, no problem. Brian Fitzgibbons is
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: jumping in joining us from USPA Nationwide Security jump in.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Brian helped me out any thought.
• 22:46
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, Nancy, that is actually really important information that
• 22:50
  Speaker 8: this was two weeks ago that the vehicle was purchased.
• 22:54
  Speaker 8: So according to Tahama County Sheriff's bulletin, which in some
• 22:59
  Speaker 8: jurisictions they call a police log, when they found the vehicle,
• 23:04
  Speaker 8: they assessed that there was some burn damage on the
• 23:06
  Speaker 8: side of the vehicle. So, you know, I think investigators
• 23:11
  Speaker 8: need to find out was this burn damage there?
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sorry you cut out on me. What did
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: you just say about burn damage?
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: Yes, So the Tahama County Sheriff's Bulletin included a report
• 23:26
  Speaker 8: that there was burn damage to the side of the avalanche.
• 23:30
  Speaker 8: So I think it's important to note that that jumped
• 23:33
  Speaker 8: off the page to me. Given the location where the
• 23:37
  Speaker 8: avalanche was found and obviously the circumstances.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: When you say burn damage, what do you mean by that.
• 23:43
  Speaker 8: So included in the bulletin the official report that the
• 23:48
  Speaker 8: Tahama County Sheriffs made to the public on all their
• 23:51
  Speaker 8: calls the office, the responding officer indicated that there was
• 23:56
  Speaker 8: burn damage on the side of the vehicle. There were
• 24:00
  Speaker 8: some photos circulated online that I believe showed part of
• 24:05
  Speaker 8: that burned damage. So, you know, not enough that would
• 24:10
  Speaker 8: make the vehicle not function, but you can see a
• 24:13
  Speaker 8: little melting to the plastic areas on the vehicle.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: An abandoned truck in a different county. Missed phone calls
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: and unanswered texts? Where is California?
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Mom?
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Nikki Chang Saley McCain.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Right now, we're between the rock and a hard spot,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why. First of all, the sisters
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: joining us today, Nikki's sisters Chloe and Kay didn't realize
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: anything was wrong. They got a late night text Chloe
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: did midnight from Nikki. We know it's Nikki because of
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: her writing style and the information that the text contained.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: It was her. She was dropping off her mother in
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: law's vehicle. I want everybody to put their minds to
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: it and see if we can figure out who was
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: supposed to take Nikki from that location home that said
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: that's that night, then it's Monday, then Tuesday, before they realize, hey,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: she never takes it back. She's not at mom's house.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: So we've lost at least three, if not four days.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: That is critical. Brian Fitzgibbons joining us Director Operations USPA
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Nationwide Security.
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  Speaker 4: Every hour, every.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Hour, just let's say she's in a car sixty me
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: mph every hour, she's sixty miles further away. If anyone
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: has and I pray to God this is not true,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: killed her. Every hour hurts the investigation. It hurts in
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: the discovery of the body. It hurts as to whether
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: the body is in subject to animal activity, as it
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: is euphemistically called. Every hour makes this more difficult in
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: finding Nikki.
• 26:03
  Speaker 11: Agree, disagree, totally agree, And the vehicle being found forty
• 26:08
  Speaker 11: miles to the south, separating that from from Nicky's residents
• 26:13
  Speaker 11: and family homes definitely makes this challenging as well spreads
• 26:17
  Speaker 11: out the search area quite a bit.
• 26:20
  Speaker 10: The other thing that you're dealing with here, Nancy, is
• 26:23
  Speaker 10: the ranch area.
• 26:25
  Speaker 8: So a rancherreer, for those who aren't familiar with it,
• 26:28
  Speaker 8: is effectively a small Native American reservation. So you have
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: tribal lands in the middle of this missing person search,
• 26:40
  Speaker 8: which at a minimum complicates access for volunteer search parties
• 26:47
  Speaker 8: in the like. So you lump that onto a very
• 26:51
  Speaker 8: vast search area, remote terrain, and then issues with access.
• 26:58
  Speaker 8: This is a very challenging search for Nicki.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: You are so right. We are calling on you, the public,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: to help find Niki. Take a listen to this another
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: fly in the ointment.
• 27:10
  Speaker 9: The search for Niki Sale McCain continues, extending now onto
• 27:14
  Speaker 9: tribal land. The Wind River Casino granted permission for family,
• 27:18
  Speaker 9: friends and concerned citizens to come together on two days
• 27:21
  Speaker 9: to search the grounds and by plane. Chloe Sale, Nikki's sister,
• 27:25
  Speaker 9: tells local news reporters that the area is close to
• 27:28
  Speaker 9: where McCain was last seen or heard from. Other parts
• 27:31
  Speaker 9: of tribal grounds remain private due to tribal sovereignty. Access
• 27:35
  Speaker 9: has to be requested and granted before an area can
• 27:38
  Speaker 9: be searched.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, Dear Lord in Heaven, you know how many times
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I've run up against this when I would be told
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: or get credible information there had been a murder, that
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: there was an ongoing child molestation, ongoing domestic violence, that
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: would result in a homicide on tribal territory. I can't
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: just run in there with a search warrant just bust
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: up in the county issue Crown Victoria. That is not
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: gonna happen. It doesn't work that way, Dave Matt, What
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: can you tell me? I mean? It took how long
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: before the Renchria could be searched.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: It did take a number of days, and the Rentria
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: actually agreed to allow them to search in an area
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: near the casino, near the area where she was last seen.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: They did not allow for a further investigation. They didn't
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: go further onto the property, but the area right around
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: the casino.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Dave Matt, Please, I gotta dissect twit you're saying, Hold
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: on all right? So they who is? They say, searchers
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: can come on, but only around this limited area. Like what, yes,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: you think you ever took NICKI is gonna put her
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: in with a Christmas bow on a silver platter right
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: there at the casino doorstep. They would not allow searches
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: to go beyond a certain area. Is that what you said?
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: Exactly what I'm saying?
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: Okay, pick it up right there, please, So.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: They allowed for the search to take place, but only
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: in a very limited area. And it was right thereby
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: the casino where they believe she might have last been,
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: and that was it. Now the rancheria actually is contributing
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: to the reward money. They've been participating in this again,
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: but it's so limited. Nick. They haven't just said come
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: on in and look. They've said you can look right here,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: but other areas sovereign, you can't have it.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons. That is not helping me.
• 29:40
  Speaker 8: Yes, so that the tribe is limiting the search areas
• 29:43
  Speaker 8: that these search parties can go on. You know, they
• 29:47
  Speaker 8: have put up a billboard, they have offered a ten
• 29:49
  Speaker 8: thousand dollars reward. These public shows of support have been made.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Brian, I appreciate the money.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: I would rather have a full.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: On search with scent dogs, bloodhounds, cadaver dogs, shoulder to shoulder, cadets, volunteers,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Chloe Kay, everybody searching as far as they can not. Hey,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: don't get past the shadow of this casino. Absolutely, that
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: is not helping me. Fitzgibbons, What is their problem? I
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: don't care if they hear me.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what's the problem.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't they let the searchers search beyond that?
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: I couldn't agree more, Nancy.
• 30:33
  Speaker 8: I mean, these public shows that support mean nothing when
• 30:35
  Speaker 8: you don't allow the search parties to completely search the
• 30:39
  Speaker 8: tribal lands where Nicky was last known to be. So
• 30:46
  Speaker 8: you know they have to jump in here and actually
• 30:50
  Speaker 8: open up access to these search parties.
• 30:53
  Speaker 9: Family members have released their own missing persons flyer with
• 30:56
  Speaker 9: hopes of finding Nikki Chang Siley McCain. McCain described by
• 31:00
  Speaker 9: officials as four to eleven and weighing one hundred and
• 31:03
  Speaker 9: ten pounds. She has brown hair and brown eyes. Relatives
• 31:07
  Speaker 9: say she has a tattoo of roses inside a geometric
• 31:10
  Speaker 9: shape on her forearm.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Family and friends plead for tips as the search continues
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: for Niki Chang Sale McCain, missing for over a month.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: In family and friends' efforts to find Niki, the biggest
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: missing person flyer you will ever see has gone up
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: as a billboard Lessen.
• 31:33
  Speaker 9: It's the biggest missing person flyer you'll see. A billboard
• 31:36
  Speaker 9: has gone up along North Interstate five and Andersen near
• 31:38
  Speaker 9: Ball's Ferry Road exit that says help find Nicki Ching
• 31:42
  Speaker 9: Sale McCain. Besides photos of sale McCain, the phone numbers
• 31:46
  Speaker 9: for North cal Alliance for the Missing, and Shasta County
• 31:49
  Speaker 9: Sheriff's officer provided. It's not known who paid for the Billboard.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Crime stories. With Nancy Grace joining me in allstar panel,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: including Nicki's two sisters, Chloe and Kay, Chloe to you,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: did the authorities not take her disappearance seriously? Why was
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: there such a slow start in the search for Nicki?
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: You know, in the beginning, I did make a missing
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: person's report through RPD, which is Fredding Police Department, and
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: then after giving that officer information, it turns out that
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: because of where they were living and where kind of
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: where she was last seen, it was in a different county,
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: and so then it got switched over from the RPD
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: department to the Chefs County Sheriff's department.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: So that was a slow down in addition to the
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: weekend delay, in addition to the eight days it took
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: to find her Chevy Avalanche parked under an overpass. But
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: now can we talk about the elephant in the room. Listen?
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Nicki Salia McCain was last seen by her family on
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: May seventeenth, with the text message received just after midnight
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: on the eighteenth. This is eleven days after her husband
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: appears in court for a hearing and pleads not guilty
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: to beating his wife of thirteen years. The next court
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: date for the felony domestic violence case is set for
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: June twenty eighth. Since Nicki is the prosecution's only witness,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: if she doesn't show up for court, the case could
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: be dismissed. Judge Daniel Flynn decides to continue the hearing
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: until July fifth to give the prosecution more time to
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: find Nicki or other evidence in the case.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Chloe, how long had the abuse and the beatings by
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: the husband gone on?
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: So in the beginning, my sister didn't want to tell me,
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: but it had been going on for about maybe three
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: and a half four years.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Tay, did you know about your sister's beatings that she
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: was enduring in her home.
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: We did know that their altercations in their fights became
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: fiscal in the last like I said, three to four years,
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: we didn't know to which degree it had escalated. So
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: the incident in December was definitely eye opened her for
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: us to which degree she was living with the domestic violence.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: I'm hearing in my ear to make sure in her
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: mind everyone that these are just allegations. Okay, that said, Chloe,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: why do you believe your sister kept the beatings a secret?
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: I mean he has tied up her wrists and ankles,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: poured cold water over her after he beat her, put
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: tape over her mouth so she couldn't speak. She endured,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: she lives, She survived through that incident. Chloe, why do
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: you believe she wouldn't tell you what was happening.
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: I think she was afraid.
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: She's my older sister, so she wanted to be I'm
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: your older sister, and I'm okay, And she didn't want
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: to scare me, I think, and she was so terrified.
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: But I think she put up at the front like
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: she was grave and that she was okay.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: After three hours of Tyler McCain allegedly beating his wife,
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: the mother of his four children, hitting her about the
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: face and head, blackening her eyes, pulling out her hair,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: and taping her mouth shut, he leaves her alone and
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: goes into the kitchen, getting herself loose from the bindings.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: Nikki Sale McCain grabs a rope with her car keys,
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: runs outside and gets in her car. Tyler McCain chases
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Nicki out of the house and jumps onto the hood
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: of the car, telling her to stop. Ignoring his demands.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: Nicki flees to the safety of her sister's home.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: In reading all of this said, do you believe her
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: disappearing maybe a way to escape her husband? Do you
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: think she went on her own? No?
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: Absolutely not.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: No she I don't either, And I'll tell you why.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Four reasons. Seven years old, nine years old, eleven years old,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: and thirteen years old. Those are the four reasons I
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: don't think she left on her own. Why does it matter?
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: All that matters right now is finding Niki.
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: And I can tell you this much.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: The Reading and Rancheria is part of the problem. They
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: have slowed down the search for Niki.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: The Redding Rancheria is a federally recognized tribe with the
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: reservation in Shasta County, California. The Reading Rancheria is actually
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: a combination of multiple indigenous tribes that formed in the seventies,
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: gaining official recognition in nineteen seventy nine. The Reading Ranchera
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: established the Wind River Resort and Casino along California State
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: Route two seventy three near I five between Reading and Anderson.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: It has produced significant revenue for the tribe, enabling capital
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: payments to each member and Tyler. McCain is a direct
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: descendant of one of the Reading Rancheria's original tribal elders,
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Art Hayward. Nicki Salia McCain was seen by her family
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: on May seventeenth, with the text message received just after
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: midnight on the eighteenth. This is eleven days after her
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: husband appears in court for a hearing and pleads not
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: guilty to beating his wife of thirteen years. The next
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: coordinate for the felony domestic violence case is set for
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: June twenty eighth. Since Nicki is the prosecution's only witness.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: If she doesn't show up for court, the case could
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: be dismissed. Judge Daniel Flynn decides to continue the hearing
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: until July fifth to give the prosecution more time to
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: find Niki or other evidence in the case.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Question to UK this, Nicky's sister has a husband been
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: out searching for his wife?
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: She has not attended any of the searches that we've done.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Have you spoken to him, Kay about where's Nicki? We
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: have and he said, what.
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: He doesn't really, he says he doesn't know.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: That day when you guys drove out to the house
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: and asked him, where's NICKI? What were the what were
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: the choices he gave you as to where she may be?
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: Chloe? She said he.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: Didn't know, and that she took an uber and left somewhere.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, So I understand that he gave different theories as
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: to where she went. What else did he say beside
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: she took an uber.
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: That's what she had told me, But he had told
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: my other family members that she took off with a
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: lesbian lover. And then he had also said that she
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: took off with a guy to Las Vegas.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: So he says, A, she took an uber somewhere, I
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: don't know. B she took off with a lesbian lover.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Did you know anything about a lesbian lover?
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: No?
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: Okay?
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: At three, that she took off with a mail to
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: go to the casino.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: Is that what you said?
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Those are the three choices?
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: To Las Vegas?
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: Yes, to Vegas? Okay.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: There's no way in ac double l Nikki would leave
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  Speaker 1: these four children just alone, if in for themselves. That's
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  Speaker 1: not going to happen. She's never taken me time. You know,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of moms they go off to a spa,
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  Speaker 1: they go to girls' weekends.
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  Speaker 4: Not her.
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  Speaker 1: No, that did not have happen. If can anybody give
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  Speaker 1: me a straight answer on who was supposed to pick
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  Speaker 1: her up from her mother in laws that night?
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  Speaker 6: NICKI said it would be one of the roommates that
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: lived with him at the house.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, at least I know that much, and
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that roommate has already been questioned. Now let
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  Speaker 1: me understand something, Ted Debias joining us the former US attorney,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: former assistant US Attorney in DC, and author of no
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: body homicide cases?
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  Speaker 4: Did you hear this?
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  Speaker 1: And I think this is really important, Ted, that Nicki
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: is the state's only witness and that aggravated assault case.
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  Speaker 4: Did you hear that?
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  Speaker 1: And now it's time for the case. And the judge,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: who was Judge Daniel Flynn at least decided to continue
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  Speaker 1: further notice, delay the hearing until July five, that's about
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: to happen, to give the execution time defined Nicki or
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: evidence in the case. Now, I'm not coming at this
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: from a legal angle, because you and I both know
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: we could get in excited utterances. We could get what
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  Speaker 1: she said to cops, We could get.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of her here'say.
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  Speaker 1: Comments in as evidence, but that's not going.
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  Speaker 4: To really fly if there's a jury.
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  Speaker 1: So the significance of the timing ted jump in.
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  Speaker 10: So, Nancy, it is very important because what you often
• 40:26
  Speaker 10: see in nobody homicide cases, which of course we all
• 40:29
  Speaker 10: hope this is not, but you often see what's called
• 40:32
  Speaker 10: a triggering event, and a court case is a classic
• 40:36
  Speaker 10: triggering event. And you recall here there was a court
• 40:38
  Speaker 10: hearing on May seventh where the case was going to
• 40:42
  Speaker 10: be going forward. Now we have less than two weeks later.
• 40:46
  Speaker 10: Of course Nicki is missing. That to me is very important.
• 40:50
  Speaker 10: Over fifty percent of nobody murder cases involve domestic relationships.
• 40:56
  Speaker 10: It can be husband, wife, can be boyfriend, girlfriend. It
• 40:59
  Speaker 10: is very common and all of the things we're seeing
• 41:02
  Speaker 10: here are very common in nobody murder cases. Unfortunately, and
• 41:06
  Speaker 10: as you correctly pointed out, if Nicky cannot testify at
• 41:11
  Speaker 10: that trial for whatever reason, the charges are going to
• 41:14
  Speaker 10: be dropped. From the little that we know about the case,
• 41:17
  Speaker 10: it seems as if, and I think the DA has
• 41:20
  Speaker 10: already mentioned this, the case cannot go forward, and that case,
• 41:24
  Speaker 10: Nancy is even in the realm of dovestic violence, strikes
• 41:28
  Speaker 10: me as a very serious, significant case. And what especially
• 41:32
  Speaker 10: strikes me and is concerning is what you've already pointed out.
• 41:35
  Speaker 10: The taping of the hands, the taping of the legs,
• 41:38
  Speaker 10: the tape over the mouth, all of that is not
• 41:41
  Speaker 10: something you typically see in a domestic violence case. Those
• 41:44
  Speaker 10: are very concerning actions allegedly by Tyler McCain against his
• 41:50
  Speaker 10: wife NICKI.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: I know nobody wants to hear this ted debias, but
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: that attack on Nicky was like a dry run.
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  Speaker 4: I agree, yes for k for a murder.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: When do you tie someone's hands, their feet, their mouth,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: You torture them poor cold water on them, turn them
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: over on their stomach to make it even more difficult
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: to talk. And keeping in mind that this strong likelihood
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: all the children were at home when this happened to
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Chloe and Kate. Number one, our prayers are going up tonight,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: as you must know. Number two, it disturbs me that
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: the family and friends have had to do so much.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: I haven't heard about this case. I haven't read about it.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: You know how I found out about it. One of
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: you wrote me on Twitter. One of you tweeted me,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: that's how I found out Niki was missing. Where is
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: the support for Niki? Please hear us. I know you
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: don't know Niki. I know you've never met her, but
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: there are four children as young as seven years old
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: hanging in the balance. There is a ten thousand dollars
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: reward tip line five three zero two four five six
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  Speaker 1: one three five. If she's still alive, she can be found.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: But we need help. The family needs help, her children
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: need help. Five three zero two four five six one
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: three five. I want to thank all of our guests
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  Speaker 1: for being with us, for you joining us, but especially
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: to the sisters Chloe and Kay leading the search for
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  Speaker 1: their sister, Nikki. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,