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How One Confession Sparked a Campus Revival _ Jennie Allen _ Jesus People Podcas · truthunedited

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  Speaker 1: You've really been at the center of the two major
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  Speaker 1: college revivals in the last five years.
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  Speaker 2: It was like my whole body weighed an extra 150 pounds.
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  Speaker 2: I just couldn't move.
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  Speaker 1: There's something about confession that breaks the yoke. And then
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  Speaker 1: there's something about how the enemy moves that wants to
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  Speaker 1: keep things in darkness.
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  Speaker 2: And I've seen miracles. I mean, I've seen masses come forward.
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  Speaker 2: I have watched repentance. I mean, people's lives are being changed.
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  Speaker 1: Why does it seem like revival always breaks out when
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  Speaker 1: that happens first.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody's yelling out their sin. This girl pierces through all
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  Speaker 3: of it and at the top of her lung yells out.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, welcome to the Jesus People podcast. Today, we've got
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  Speaker 1: the great honor of having Jenny Allen on the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: So excited for this one, Jenny. Thank you so much
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  Speaker 1: for coming so far to visit us here in Dallas.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, it wasn't so far.
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  Speaker 2: I bet I was closer than most guests, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: so excited about this. And Ryan, I just, every time
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  Speaker 2: we hang out, I wish we could hang out for days.
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  Speaker 2: I just love your heart. I love what you're doing
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  Speaker 2: for the kingdom and how you're bringing light to stories
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  Speaker 2: that need to be told.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm just so grateful for you.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. That means a lot. My wife was telling
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  Speaker 1: me earlier, don't embarrass me when Jenny comes over just
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  Speaker 1: because she just loves you. She loves you. I love her.
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  Speaker 3: So it's mutual now.
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  Speaker 1: She's the best. She's back there right now. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she did your Bible studies.
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  Speaker 3: In college and Crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. You've had such a long, fruitful ministry.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. And you've seen some stuff recently that's
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  Speaker 1: been pretty incredible that I have not heard from you yet.
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  Speaker 1: I purposely wasn't asking you it when we were hanging
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  Speaker 1: out in the kitchen before, because I want to hear
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  Speaker 1: it here on this podcast, but you've really been at
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  Speaker 1: the center of the two major college revivals in the
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  Speaker 1: last five years. And one just happened, what, a week ago? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So- Southeastern University, SEU. It was wild. I can tell
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  Speaker 3: you the whole story, but yeah, I was so blessed
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  Speaker 3: to be in the room. I mean, just blown away. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, tell me more. I know very little. I
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  Speaker 1: know that it was really, were you going out there
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  Speaker 1: to speak?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: So there was a conference and there were incredible speakers
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  Speaker 2: before me. So certainly God used just these few days
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  Speaker 2: to bring these students who already are mature. There's no
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  Speaker 2: doubt in my mind, like that school is special and
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  Speaker 2: the work that's being done there and the leadership that's there.
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  Speaker 2: I got to know really well. In fact, I think
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  Speaker 2: we all consider each other family after that experience because
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  Speaker 2: it was so bonding, but I can say like, there's
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  Speaker 2: such special, humble leadership there and the students are just fire.
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  Speaker 3: They love God.
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  Speaker 2: And so what happened was I was sitting there, it
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  Speaker 2: was the last day of the conference and And I
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  Speaker 2: was sitting off to the side worshiping before I walked
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  Speaker 2: up to speak. And I felt the same thing in
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  Speaker 2: my body that I felt at Asbury. I'd been blessed
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  Speaker 2: to go to Asbury in the early days when the
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  Speaker 2: first few days were happening where no one had heard
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  Speaker 2: about it. No one was there. I walked in and
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  Speaker 2: there was like 100 kids in the room in the
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  Speaker 2: middle of the night.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because you were one.
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  Speaker 1: Of the first to report on that. I remember seeing
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  Speaker 1: your social media videos being like revivals happening at Asbury College.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I don't even know how I heard about it. It
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  Speaker 3: was just super small.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Luke Lefevre is one of my best friends
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  Speaker 2: and he called and was like, Jenny, we're going to Asbury.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, okay, let's go. And I bet it
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  Speaker 3: was day two or three.
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  Speaker 2: And so, you know, I remember even going to Asbury
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  Speaker 2: and thinking, nobody's going to care about this because nobody
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  Speaker 2: knows about this, but I just wanted to see it
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  Speaker 2: for myself. And of course, my heart just wants to
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  Speaker 2: see this happen on earth. I've been doing ministry for
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  Speaker 2: a long time and And Asbury was really some of
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  Speaker 2: the beginning of watching that happen. I will say in 2018,
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  Speaker 2: when Gen Z was first in the room on college campuses,
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  Speaker 2: I definitely tasted it. I saw it at Texas A
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  Speaker 2: & M in an arena. I did confession and they
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  Speaker 2: were yelling out their sin all over the arena. It
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  Speaker 2: was crazy and it wouldn't stop. Baylor, same thing. We
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  Speaker 2: were there for hours and they were confessing their sin.
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  Speaker 2: That was in 2019. So, you know, I've seen it
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  Speaker 2: since Gen Z got in the room, you know, really is,
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  Speaker 2: is my story on that. And then what happened though,
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  Speaker 2: at SEU, I was sitting there worshiping and I felt
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  Speaker 2: the same thing in my body.
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  Speaker 3: And again, I've been on the road.
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  Speaker 2: With Unite, my friend, Tanya Pruitt's ministry and JP and
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  Speaker 2: I have been speaking in, I mean, I think I've
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  Speaker 2: been on like 20 campuses or so and I've seen miracles.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I've seen masses come forward. I have watched repentance.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's, you know, everybody's calling that revival and
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  Speaker 2: they should, because it is real. I mean, people's lives
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  Speaker 2: are being changed. We're baptizing and pickup trucks and everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: It's so fun. But as far as like that feeling
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  Speaker 2: in my body, because of the presence of God falling
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  Speaker 2: on a place, the only other time I'd felt it
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  Speaker 2: was Asbury.
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  Speaker 3: And so it's SEU. I'm about to go speak. It's SEU.
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  Speaker 2: I'm about to go up and speak. And I can't
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  Speaker 2: stand up to worship because of this weight I feel.
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  Speaker 2: And Asbury, it was the same feeling. it was like
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  Speaker 2: my whole body weighed an extra 150 pounds. Like I
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  Speaker 2: just couldn't move and I couldn't sing.
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't do anything. And so I'm like, Lord, what
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  Speaker 3: is happening?
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  Speaker 2: And, and the only thing I could think of was
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  Speaker 2: Asbury because it, it was the same exact feeling in
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  Speaker 2: my body. And, and I heard the Lord's, I mean, again,
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  Speaker 2: everybody might be critical of this, but in that moment
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  Speaker 2: I felt the Lord whispering, I'm about to pour out
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  Speaker 2: my spirit on this place. And it is for the
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  Speaker 2: purpose of them pouring out my spirit to the ends
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  Speaker 2: of the earth. And I was like, okay, well, what
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  Speaker 2: do you want me to do? Because I prepared a message,
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  Speaker 2: of course. He was like, I want you to call
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  Speaker 2: them to the mission field.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, okay, I don't have a message for that.
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  Speaker 3: It's not my back pocket, but okay.
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  Speaker 2: So I go up and that's what I taught and
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  Speaker 2: that's what I preached. But at the end I said,
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  Speaker 2: but you can't go and spend and give your life
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  Speaker 2: away to Jesus until you have confessed your sin and
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  Speaker 2: named whatever the bondage is that is controlling you. So
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  Speaker 2: we did that and I just said, yell it out.
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  Speaker 2: Like just yell it out.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone together. Everyone yelled. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they were probably like three, I don't know, 2,500, 3,000
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  Speaker 2: students in the room. And they just start yelling their sin.
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  Speaker 2: It's really beautiful. I mean, just to hear wailing. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: there was wailing in the room, just repentance. And this
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  Speaker 2: girl in the back, I can't wait to meet her. Um,
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  Speaker 2: one of my friends was standing beside her and told
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  Speaker 2: me more of the story yesterday, actually. She was like weeping, weeping, weeping,
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  Speaker 2: like convulsing, like weeping before she did this. But I
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  Speaker 2: do believe God used her to break the room. Like
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  Speaker 2: I do believe this was the moment. And everyone in
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  Speaker 2: the room would say, this is the moment. Everybody's yelling
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  Speaker 2: out their sin. This girl pierces through all of it.
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  Speaker 2: And at the top of her lung yells out abortion.
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  Speaker 2: And my friend that was near her said, then she
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  Speaker 2: just fell to the floor. Now this is a super
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  Speaker 2: religious school. I mean, that is a very brave thing.
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  Speaker 2: And all of the words changed after that. It was
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  Speaker 2: so much more raw. People were saying what was real.
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  Speaker 4: And so I really believe like her bravery and courage
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  Speaker 4: was what happened that caused this to happen.
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  Speaker 2: And so I finished, I had never planned for that
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  Speaker 2: to go so long. I kind of thought they would
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  Speaker 2: like yell it all at once and we would be done.
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  Speaker 2: And Um, it went on for 15 minutes.
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  Speaker 3: They wouldn't stop.
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  Speaker 2: And so I am looking at the pastor Jonathan on
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  Speaker 2: the side and I go, you know, I close somehow
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  Speaker 2: I close, I sit down, we're past time now because
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  Speaker 2: it's gone too long. I sit down with him and
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, Hey man, you know, the thing I didn't
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  Speaker 2: get to do that I wish I'd done was just
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  Speaker 2: a commissioning because, you know, I talked about going to
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  Speaker 2: the ends of the earth and sharing the gospel. And
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  Speaker 2: so he was like on it. So he goes up
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  Speaker 2: and then calls me up with him. And this is
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  Speaker 2: the craziest part. is he says, if you feel called
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  Speaker 2: to vocational ministry or called to the mission field, come forward.
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  Speaker 2: I think 1,500, 1,000 to 1,500 students out of 3,000.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it was.
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  Speaker 2: Like awkward, the people that were left standing there. I
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  Speaker 2: was kind of proud of them. I was like, way
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  Speaker 2: to not like fake a calling, you know? And so, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's like, good for you. Like you don't feel called,
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  Speaker 2: don't come forward. And so, you know, most of the
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  Speaker 2: room came forward. And so now we're like commissioning these
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  Speaker 2: students to go and die.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: What's crazy is I didn't know is, that they, in
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  Speaker 2: a few months, are sending hundreds, I think I heard
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  Speaker 2: the number, 700 students to really dangerous places and short-term missions.
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  Speaker 2: And so I really do believe that where Asbury was
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  Speaker 2: for the world and built the world's faith, I really
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  Speaker 2: do believe that SEU was for those students. I think
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  Speaker 2: many of them will go in the mission field. I
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  Speaker 2: think many of them will give their lives to ministry.
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  Speaker 2: And I think this You know, they went, they worshiped
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  Speaker 2: to finish the story in case you haven't heard. They
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  Speaker 2: ended up kind of like Asbury. They couldn't stop. They
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  Speaker 2: didn't leave the room. And the presence of God was
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  Speaker 2: so thick, like they didn't leave. And they didn't leave
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  Speaker 2: until a week and a half later, like this past,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Friday.
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  Speaker 3: So it was just... It was surreal.
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  Speaker 2: And watching the leadership make decisions, I mean, they were
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  Speaker 2: so humble and they're like, we're not forcing anything. If
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  Speaker 2: we think it's over, it's over. They prayed every hour.
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  Speaker 2: They met and prayed every hour to consider like, is
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  Speaker 2: this over? Do we need to keep going? And they
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  Speaker 2: just watched the students and just to see like if
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  Speaker 2: there's hunger and they want to be here, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to stay. Now what you have to understand, I know
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  Speaker 2: people are critical of this and just watch like a
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  Speaker 2: sandbox on Instagram and go, oh, that's just emotionalism. But
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  Speaker 2: what you have to understand is they didn't leave the
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  Speaker 2: room for days. So I want you to picture just
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  Speaker 2: worshiping for six hours, like just singing for six hours.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing else really except for some prayer. I mean– You
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  Speaker 2: get bored. Like anybody would get bored. Like they're not
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  Speaker 2: looking at their phones. They're not talking to each other.
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  Speaker 2: Like they are praying and they are worshiping. You have
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  Speaker 2: to believe that something unique is happening for college students
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  Speaker 2: to do that for days upon days upon days.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: That's just not, that's not emotionalism.
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  Speaker 2: That's like something that has come into the room that
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  Speaker 2: has captivated their attention in a unique way. And as
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  Speaker 2: someone who stayed for the first day and night, and
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  Speaker 2: stayed till about 3 a.m. that night, I can just
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  Speaker 2: say it felt like a couple hours. I mean, you
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  Speaker 2: can't understand it unless you've been in a room like that.
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  Speaker 2: Like time is just, it just stands still. Like you
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  Speaker 2: have no concept of time. I didn't eat, I didn't drink.
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  Speaker 2: My legs that night, like when I went to sleep,
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  Speaker 2: I woke up and they were all cramping because I'd
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  Speaker 2: forgotten to.
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  Speaker 3: Drink all day.
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  Speaker 2: Like you just, you can't understand it unless you're in
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  Speaker 2: the room, but it is so different than.
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  Speaker 3: than any other thing I've ever experienced except for Asbury.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, in my own experience in youth ministry,
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  Speaker 1: there was one experience I had with that and it
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  Speaker 1: started with confession. I was giving a message at a
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  Speaker 1: youth camp and heard the Lord say in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of the night, I couldn't sleep the whole night. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, what is going on? I get like really
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  Speaker 1: sick that morning. So I think there was some spiritual
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  Speaker 1: warfare going on. So the Lord say like, you're supposed
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  Speaker 1: to call people to confession. You're supposed to put a
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  Speaker 1: microphone in like on the stage and then leave the stage. Cool.
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  Speaker 1: So I did it and it was silent for like
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  Speaker 1: two minutes, which felt like, you know, two hours.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so proud of you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And, uh, this was, I mean, this was probably
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  Speaker 1: 10 years ago. Yeah. And, um, same deal with the
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  Speaker 1: girl who confessed the abortion. There was a couple of
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  Speaker 1: kids that got up and like confessed gossip. And then
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  Speaker 1: there was one girl that got up and confessed looking
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  Speaker 1: at pornography. Wow. which taboo for a girl to say, right?
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  Speaker 3: Right. Big, brave.
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  Speaker 1: And she gets up and then something broke in the room.
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  Speaker 1: And I want to ask you, cause you've seen this
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  Speaker 1: now a couple of times, like personally, you've, you've met
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  Speaker 1: with these people. You've seen, you felt the spirit move.
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  Speaker 1: There's something about confession that breaks the yoke. And then
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  Speaker 1: there's something about how the enemy moves that wants to
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  Speaker 1: keep things in darkness. And you, you talk about this
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  Speaker 1: a lot in your new book, The Lie You Don't
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  Speaker 1: Know You Believe, which we'll put that in the show notes.
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  Speaker 1: Cause even just going through this, I'm like, Oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: the diagrams you have in there. I'm like, this is
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  Speaker 1: so good. Like, so if you guys are struggling with
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  Speaker 1: thoughts in your head and lies that you've believed, I
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  Speaker 1: would really encourage you to go check out this book,
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  Speaker 1: but tell me a little bit about confession. Like why,
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  Speaker 1: how does the enemy use it? And then why, why
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  Speaker 1: does it seem like revival always breaks out when that
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  Speaker 1: happens first, when confession happens first?
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  Speaker 3: I feel a little bit like John the Baptist lately. Like,
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  Speaker 3: I just feel like it's, this is what I do.
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  Speaker 3: This is what I do. Like, I just, And I'm
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  Speaker 3: just afraid.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I just am unafraid to lead people to
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  Speaker 2: what I know will bring freedom and it's not comfortable ever,
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  Speaker 2: but I think that's the cost, right? I think I
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  Speaker 2: look at that girl and I'm like, she paid the
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  Speaker 2: cost for that room to experience God in that way.
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  Speaker 3: And it was costly.
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  Speaker 2: And I was so glad yesterday to get to talk
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  Speaker 2: to my friend Chi Chi, who was staying, I couldn't
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  Speaker 2: believe he was standing near her because we were actually
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  Speaker 2: sitting together the rest of the day.
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  Speaker 3: So I couldn't believe he was in the back of
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  Speaker 3: the room. And he saw her and, and that.
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  Speaker 4: He told me the story of her convulsing before, like,
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  Speaker 4: and how hard, like, and that she just fell to
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  Speaker 4: the ground.
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  Speaker 3: And I thought, of course she did. Like, I just,
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  Speaker 3: I think it's that hard.
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  Speaker 2: Like the enemy has that much of a stake over
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  Speaker 2: our lives and he has tricked us and made us
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  Speaker 2: believe like to the point that it physically feels impossible
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  Speaker 2: to say it out loud, that there's no way we
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  Speaker 2: can do it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, she stood, I just picture like.
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  Speaker 2: Braveheart and I was a really old movie, but I,
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  Speaker 2: It just showed up on Netflix again and I rewatched it.
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  Speaker 3: And it's like you.
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  Speaker 2: Say the thing and you say the thing that's like
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  Speaker 2: so hard and it flies in the face of the
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  Speaker 2: way the world is and what is acceptable. And you
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  Speaker 2: say it and you yell it and it breaks something.
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  Speaker 2: And there's a supernatural thing that is happening in exchange
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  Speaker 2: between the darkness and light. And I do believe that
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  Speaker 2: the devil has all the power in the dark.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 3: All the power you're giving it to him. You've signed
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  Speaker 3: it over. You've said, go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: Like you have control over me. I, I, I just
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  Speaker 2: think you see it over and over again. How do
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  Speaker 2: pastors mega church pastors that, you know, have all these
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  Speaker 2: eyeballs on them. How do they fall into such sin
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  Speaker 2: and like public, you know, immorality.
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  Speaker 4: And all of the, all of these things, like, how
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  Speaker 4: does this happen? It starts with like little secrets. It
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  Speaker 4: starts and, and it grows.
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  Speaker 2: And then you have to protect those and you have
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  Speaker 2: to protect that. And you can't, Tell anybody that and
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  Speaker 2: then it grows, you know? And so I just, I
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  Speaker 2: think this is where we are. It's like we have to,
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  Speaker 2: we're fighting for purity and holiness.
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  Speaker 3: We will never be people that are perfectly holy.
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  Speaker 2: Therefore, every one of us has fallen short of the
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  Speaker 2: glory of God and must name the ways in which
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  Speaker 2: we do that because he's mean, because he wants to
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  Speaker 2: punish us, because he wants us to suffer. No, because
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  Speaker 2: his kindness, his kindness knows everything. That this is bondage
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: and that we are miserable. We are miserable in hiding.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: It is a, it is a really isolating place to
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: be alone in the dark.
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: With the devil.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think one thing I think about is I
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: know you're a fan of Jamie Winship. I love his
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: definition of confession. Yeah. Just tell the truth. Yeah.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: I love that too.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: Just tell the truth. Yeah. Like, and then, so like
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: you tell the truth, you change your mind and then
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: the form of your substance changes. It's like that's, but
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: everything starts with just telling the truth, which is not,
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: I looked at porn. It's, I was insecure and I
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: had a rough day at work and that my boss
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: made me feel small. And so I looked at porn. Right.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: It's, you know, I think of Hebrews 12 that says
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: like run the race that is set before you throwing
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: off the weight and the sin. And I've always taught
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: it in that way because I'm like, it's not always sin.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: And I do appreciate that. that and, and say that too,
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: of just saying the.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: Truth of, you know, suicidal ideation, obviously for many people
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: that is not coming from a place of sin.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: That is an attack of the enemy, but it needs
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: to be said out loud.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: I said, that struggle with depression needs to be said
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: out loud. The thing that happened to you that was
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: not your fault when you were eight years old needs
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: to be said out loud. Like these are, these are
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: the things that the enemy will use. And so I
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: do think it's both sin and bondage or weight. Yeah.
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's interesting. The weight can even be trauma
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: that wasn't your fault.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: 100%.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: I would say the typical cycle of humanity is this. Certainly,
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: we were all born with the reality of sin, right?
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Like we came out little sinners. We didn't have to
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: learn it. We were good at it right when we
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: came out.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: But I would say just when you look at your
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: life to think something happened probably to you at some point.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: And specifically with this book, it's like a lie was
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: believed at some point. You were probably, you know, five
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: years old, seven years old, 10 years old. I was
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: 12 years old when I believed the lie for the
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: first time. And that grew and became something that felt
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: like I had to measure up.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, I just, I was worthless. That's what I believed.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: I was worthless unless I hit these marks. But the
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: problem was the marks kept moving and changing, right?
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: So something happens, you believe something at some point, and
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: then at some point you get apathetic because you're like,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: I can't feel.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: This way anymore. I just am tired.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: And so you start to sin and sin becomes addiction.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: And sin is really good at becoming addiction.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: It's practiced.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: It just is.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: And so all of a sudden now you're in bondage
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: and you're enslaved to something that really started out as
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: a hurt or a trauma.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think every sin can be traced back to
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: a lie. Because even if it's like, okay, I drank
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: too much. Well, you believe the lie that that alcohol
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: would sustain you and fulfill you more than God's presence. Right.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: And even underneath that, you know, okay, so let's talk
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: about the three lies. So there's three. I am worthless.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: I am unlovable.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: I am helpless.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Those three come from Psych 101.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: And just this idea that all humans kind of fall
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: into their identity can fall into one of those three places.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: So underneath those lies, though, is a deeper, more sinister lie,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: which is I could be in control.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: Like I'm not helpless. I could be in control possibly
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: if I work.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Hard enough or I could be loved by everyone and
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: liked by everyone, which isn't really possible or that I
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: could finally matter. I could finally hit the mark and
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: then I would matter. And that's actually the deeper lie.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: And so even the drinking, you know, back to your point,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: even the drinking is really probably coming from, I can't
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: ever hit the mark or I keep disappointing people and
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: I keep feeling rejection or, Or I keep trying to
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: control my life and it's just not working out, you know?
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: So ultimately it's like a drive. It's like an idol
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: underneath all of us. That's really just trying to complete
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: our identity. We're just trying to be okay.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: We're just, I mean, I love my counselor. He says, Dr.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Kirk Thompson, he says, um, we all come into the
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: world looking for someone looking for us. We all come
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: into the world looking for someone looking for us and.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: We never stop. And so that's the core of it, right?
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Like we're all just humans that were built by God,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: the deeply, deeply long for connection. And so we're longing for,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: for approval, for, for measurement of success. We're longing for
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: all these things because we think then people will see us.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: Then we'll be important.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: And I think about how everybody wants to be famous
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: right now. And even that, it's coming from these lies.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: It's coming from the part of us that just says,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: I really want to be seen. I really want to matter.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: It's not bad desires. It's actually God-given desires that we're
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: just looking for the significance in the place the enemy
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: is telling us to look.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I even think back to the garden, how Satan
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: comes to them initially with a lie, which is you
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: could be like God, but they were already kind of
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: like God. They were like God. So, so he comes
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: to them and he, and he, he's actually making them
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: like him. Exactly. But the lie there was that God
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: doesn't see you in a way that's good or righteous
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: or worthy of love.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: That's what he was calling the question. He was calling
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: the question God's character. So it's interesting going to the
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: level deeper of like, why do I keep looking at porn?
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Why do I keep drinking? Why do I keep vaping?
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Why do I keep gossiping? Like it's one of those
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: three core lies. Can you rattle those off again?
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: I'm worthless. I'm helpless. I'm unlovable.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: And nobody thinks this way. I mean, nobody has the
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: thought to themselves like, I'm worthless. That's super rare. But
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: you'll feel like, gosh, I feel extra broken. I just
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: feel like I can't do anything right. I feel like
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: I just keep messing up. Why do I keep messing up?
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Or you'll feel like I'm always striving. I've got to
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: hit this. Like if I don't get this, you feel
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: like a panic and you feel almost like it's not
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: reasonable for what the thing is.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is a silly example, really silly. So
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: let me preface it with that.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: But this book is coming out this week and- I
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: will care. I mean, I know that I shouldn't, I
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: will know that I shouldn't, but I will care that
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: my last three have done really well and hit lists.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, if this one doesn't, then my publisher
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: is going to be disappointed.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: And I'll, you know, it's just a mark I really
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: want to hit. And all of those feelings will come
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: back and it will feel big unless I say it
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: out loud. And I did, I said it out loud
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: about a week ago to a friend. I just said,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm really scared. Like this book isn't going
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: to do as well. And it's not going to hit
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: New York times or, and my publisher is going to
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: be disappointed in all these feelings. And, and I mean,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: that was vulnerable to say, you know, I was like,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: she cares about souls and heaven.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, God, and like, I'm sitting there, we're just,
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: it was vulnerable.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: And, and she starts laughing and she's like, I'm not
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: even going to like you if you hit New York
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: times again, like that's just stupid.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: She was like, and we're laughing, we're both kind of
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: laughing about it. And she's like, really? I don't think
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: people are going to like you if you hit it
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: four times. That's just stupid.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: And, And all of a sudden we're both dying laughing
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: and I feel so much relief just because I was.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Brave to say it out loud.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Totally.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: And then I was like, yeah, I don't play this game.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: You're right. Like we don't care. We really don't.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: And, but if I wouldn't have said it out loud
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: back to confession, like if I didn't just say that
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: stupid little fleeting thought that was growing in me, that
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: was feeling like pressure that felt like my 12 year
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: old self that was had to hit the mark and
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: had to make the team and had to make the grades.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Like if I, if I don't say it out loud,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: I start acting like a 12 year old again.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: That's what's scary about this.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Is our five year old shows up.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Totally.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: Our, our 10 year old shows up and starts throwing
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: a little tantrum. Yeah. And you're like, why am I
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: acting like a 10 year old?
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Like, why am I, why am I devolving into this
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: insecurity and fear and all these things that I'm not
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: typically on a good day. And it's because it brings
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: out All the feelings you had back whenever that started,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: you know?
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Totally, totally. Why does the Bible say confess your sins
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: one to another and you'll be healed? But when you
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: confess your sins to God, you're forgiven. That's such a
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: good question. And I definitely have put a lot of
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: thought into that. And nobody's ever asked me that. So
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I'm really happy that you said that. I think that is.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: Because I feel like the specialist doctor who has probably...
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: led people to repentance in every size room, like from 65,000
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: at Passion to a living room. I've done it, I
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: don't even know, probably a hundred times. So I probably
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: feel like an expert now on this subject. And I
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: can say that I do this many times. I will
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: have people confess to God first. The room doesn't change ever.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: They'll cry. I see them crying. They'll do it in
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: the quietness of their heart. the room doesn't change.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: After they say it out loud to a couple people
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: or to the room, there is an exuberance and a
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: joy that floods the room.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: And I believe why is because.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Of Romans 8, 1, that there is no condemnation for
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: those who are in Christ Jesus. And they test it.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: So they've tested Romans 8.1. They've put their whole weight.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: When that girl yelled abortion, she believed that she could
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: do that. I think probably, I'd love to interview that girl.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: I need to find her.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: I think probably she just dared to hope. I don't
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: even know that it was with deep conviction. Or she
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: would have done it sooner. But she dared to hope.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: that she could say this thing out loud that was
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: crushing her, that was making her so ill. Like just
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: she carried it for so long.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Who knows?
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: She probably had never told another soul. And then she
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: yells it out. And there's a freedom that breaks through
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: that you cannot understand unless you've experienced it. But I've
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: seen it in a hundred rooms and it is the
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: same every time. does not come when they pray it.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Although I know it's sincere and they're doing it to Jesus.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: I know they are.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: They're doing it to God, the father. They're doing it
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: to Holy spirit. I believe they are saying it to
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: him in the quietness of their heart. They don't get
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: healed until they've tested that freedom. And when they test it,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: they're like, so cool. Sometimes I'll do where they say
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: it to a neighbor and then they'll come back together.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: And you feel like the room is so cute. You'll
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: hear a room full of thousands of college students and
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: you hear like a rumbling, you'll hear just this quiet whispering.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: And then the room gets louder and you hear them all.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: Like sharing and laughing and crying and you hear it
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: and it just gets bigger and louder.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: And then I'll have them come back together and I'll say,
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: yell it out. And they'll yell it like that. Like
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: they yell it because.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: They feel freedom and they feel victory over it. They
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: feel like it doesn't have power over them anymore. And
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: we all know that that doesn't mean that they're perfectly
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: whole and healed at that moment. I mean, some of
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: them are dealing with you know, a decade long addiction
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: to pornography. Some of them are naming something that they've
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: struggled with for, you know, five years. But I'll say this.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: A lot of them are like, that changed everything. Like I,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I was free.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: I have not dealt with it since. Now, some of
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: them need AA.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Some of them, you know, some of them, it's going
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: to be like, this is, but they, but they turn
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: to the idea that now they can get help.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: You can't ever get help unless you say it out loud.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: So they can get help. They've got people in it
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: with them.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a shift.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Guys, I want to stop and tell you about my ministry,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Share the Struggle. I have for so long thought that
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: the mental health crisis is the missions moment of our decade.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: And if you're needing support for your anxiety or your
• 27:53
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• 27:56
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• 27:58
  Speaker 1: with you. That'll go to the scriptures and then provide
• 28:00
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• 28:03
  Speaker 1: forward in whatever God has for you. So check that out.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: We also have courses. You can go to sharethestruggle.org and
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: get the relief you're needing. Yeah, so it's almost like
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: confessing to the Lord is drawing upon the blood of
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Jesus poured out on the cross for our sins.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: It's believing.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: It's believing it internally. Confessing it, it's almost like you
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: activate it in a way. Like you're saying like, I
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: am now living out this.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: I'm going to test it, yes.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: I'm going to test this. I'm going to live this
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: out communally through the body.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: And there's, because then it says in 1 John that
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: when you confess your sins to one another, you're healed.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: And what you're describing are rooms of thousands of people
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: that get healed collectively. It's really special. Yeah. That's very,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: very special.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: And you feel it.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Totally. Yeah. What is that? What is that healing? Because again,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: you're saying like, Hey, some of these people need to
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: go to AA. What is happening to a soul in
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: that moment?
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Well, they are, they are breaking a lie.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: So they are no longer playing the enemy's game and
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: the enemy's game is isolation.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: So in the book, I set up two kingdoms. One,
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: there's a prince of both.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: And what we don't often do is give, which your
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: podcast certainly has done, but we don't often talk about
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: the prince of the world, how much power he has.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: He had enough power to look at Jesus and say,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: I'll give you the kingdoms of the world.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: To God. And he knew who he was talking to.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: So he has dominion. You talk about.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Principalities over Northern Nigeria. You talk about Northern Nigeria a lot.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: There are principalities working there. Certainly the spirit of God
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: is springing up. but principalities are the ones behind the
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: people killing the Nigerian pastors because they have had strongholds
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: there for so long that they are controlling people. They
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: are controlling a place. And so, you know, Ephesians talks
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: about this. I mean, it lays out that, these principalities
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: are powerful and strong. And then you see in second Corinthians,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: these strongholds, we have power over them. We have divine
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: weapons that can break strongholds. So we see that there
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: are things we can use against these principalities and against
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: the enemy. But one of the greatest disconfession, because you personally,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: like you look at a Northern Nigeria, that is a,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: place that has been put under a principality, but you
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: personally are putting yourself under.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: The power of the enemy.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: When you do not confess and you live in secret.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Whoa.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: You're saying you have power. You have more power than
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: God over my life. Yeah. Because if I believed Romans eight, one,
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: there is no condemnation in those who are in Christ Jesus.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Then I would say it out loud and I would
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: break that stronghold, but I don't know that I believe that.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: And I care more.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: About my reputation than I do saying it out loud.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, I work in prisons too. Same thing happens
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: in prisons and they'll name their thing out loud. They'll
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: name their bondage, their sin. And that's risky.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Can you tell me a story? Yeah.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: A maximum security prison in Las Vegas. Um, it was
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: women in this case and there were 200 women in
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: the room. Church hadn't been there since pre COVID. This
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: is last year or a year and a half ago.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: So that long without really spiritual leadership in the prison.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: And so 200 women came to an event we were
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: doing with God Behind Bars. And they had their arms crossed.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: And I taught the gospel. I taught Romans 8-1. I
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: taught the love of God for them. And I was like,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: you guys are in the best position because unlike a
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: lot of people sitting in pews of churches, you actually
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: know you need God, you know?
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: And so.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: I said, here's what I would say is I know
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: I've watched prison movies.
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  Speaker 2: I know that you're getting, you know, I laughed about that,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: that you, it's risky to do this, but I want
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: you to yell.
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  Speaker 3: Out your sin.
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  Speaker 1: They did it. They did it.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Now I said, if you do it all this way,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: my joke, I said, in this case, I was like,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: if you do it all together and you do it
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: loud enough, then you can't hear each other.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: I was like, so you got to all commit. And
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: they were like, okay.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: So they did and they did it all at once.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: And it was so powerful. And then they're all laughing.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's a lot of times the response is
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: they just laugh because they can't believe they just did that.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: And it's so.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: After that, you know, I said, and here's how you
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: experience the forgiveness and freedom of Jesus and share the gospel.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: So simple.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: And, uh, I mean, I think 130 of them stood
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: up and we baptized.
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  Speaker 3: 115 that day.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Out of 200 percentages was pretty high.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, it was pretty crazy.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: That's yeah. That's well over 50.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's murderers. That's abusers.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: You know, I, it's crazy, but. The gospel works. The
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: gospel works. And it sets people free. And if you
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: saw those pictures, maybe there's a way we can give you, well,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: for you too, for sure. If you saw the pictures
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: of these women coming up out of the water, I mean,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: they are different. Like you can tell they believe it.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: They believe it.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: But there's something.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: About the lie in our heads that we're the only
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: ones and that we are too forgotten, that we are
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: too broken, that you bust, you bust that lie when.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: You say it out loud.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: And when you hear everybody else say it out loud,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: that's the other power. It's not just that you're saying
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: your thing out loud. You hear that girl, you hear
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: that girl yell abortion and that changes you. And you know,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: you believe God for her, you know?
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: And then you start to believe God for yourself. There's
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: a lot happening.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: And that's, here's my, this is a funny subject, but
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: you'll appreciate it. come to believe in these weird things
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: that God asks us to do. Communion, baptism, confession. I
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: believe in them now in a very different way than
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: I used to. Everybody's always taught a lot of those things,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: not confession, but baptism as symbol. And I don't know
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: that I, I think it's way more. There's something supernatural.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: It's a weird practice to dunk somebody in water. You know,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: my Buddhist massage girl, cause I've baptized so often. She's like,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: what do you do for a living? And I'm like,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: she knows I'm a Christian. I've shared the gospel with her.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: I'm a baptizer.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I was like, do you know what baptism is? She's like,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: never heard of it. I was like, well, I explained it.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: She's like, that's so weird. And I'm like, it is
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: a weird idea. But I do believe that water, it
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: is symbolic and you never forget it.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: It's a physical.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: He cares about the gospel being embodied. And if there's
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: any pastors listening, I would just say this. be sure
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: that you're giving room for response and embodiment of what
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: you're teaching.
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: We're such a society of knowledge. And we think knowledge
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: is what changes people's life. You have to have it.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: If you don't know God and know your Bible, you
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: can't change. You can't know what you're supposed to do.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: So I believe it is a foundation. It's the beginning, right?
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: But I would just say, make sure you give a
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: lot of room for response for people because when they
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: embody it, when they yell their sin, when they, say
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: it when they get baptized, you know, when there's ways
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: for them to come to the altar, when there's ways
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: for them to respond, they are taking what you are
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: saying to them as truth and what the Bible is
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: saying to them as truth. And they're putting their own
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: stake in the ground. They're, they're physically moving towards something.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: I think it matters.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: I visited the satanic temple. Yeah. In Salem, Massachusetts.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: You have the craziest stories.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: And I went in there and was just doing like
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: warfare prayer in there the whole time. And if I wasn't,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: I could feel like my stomach was like twisting. And
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: so I had to keep praying. I leave the temple
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: and instantly start feeling sick. Like, like my throat starts
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: getting really sore and I'm like, Ooh, been here before.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: And I realized I probably didn't arm up the way
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: I should have. Yeah. So we took communion right then.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: I think we had orange juice and donuts for our communion. Wow. And, uh,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: It's all we had. So that's all we could find
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: it like 1am and instantly sore throat gone. So I
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: have increasingly started taking communion, started taking communion. We just,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: I just had, um, a former Satanist on and I'm
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: like taking communion right after this.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: And everybody hears my voice. I need to take communion
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: right now.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: I need to be healed.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Right. Let's, let's get it. Let's do it after this.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: But I'm learning it is far more than just a symbol.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: There's something that happens during baptism. I don't know if
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: you've seen videos on social media of people literally having
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: demons manifest when they come out of the water. I
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: had that. I baptized a friend who had a very
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: rough childhood, very rough background. Praise God he got saved.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I baptized him and I knew I had enough data
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: now that this is about to get really gnarly. He
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: starts manifesting demons. He's on FaceTime with me and literally
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: bashing his head into walls. I'm watching his eyes roll
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: back in his head. I'm what his, his mouth would
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: open a full exorcist type stuff or exorcism type stuff
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: that like, I'm like, this is the gnarliest thing I've
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: ever seen. But he kept saying he didn't like that.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: I got in the water. He didn't like that. I
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: got in the water. And I was like, Whoa, if
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: you think that communion and baptism and confession is I
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: think the Catholics got it right.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: I think we've punted on this as Protestants for a
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: while of like being like, oh, just a symbolic thing
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: of his body that was broken for us.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Something happens. I've baptized too many people.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, I have baptized girl. I mean, every week
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: I could tell you stories like this. Just last week
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: I baptized a boy just out of juvie. I baptized
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: a girl that both her parents were atheists. I baptized
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: a girl who was supposed to be aborted. Her mother
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: is a witch and she's been cursed her whole life.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Whoa.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: And I mean, when you, you're right, like you see
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: a physical thing happen to them. It's the same as confession.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: It's like they come at, they go under the water.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: And a lot of times I'm really trying to navigate, like,
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: are you saved?
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Like, are we sure? You know?
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: And I heard some great wisdom on that, that just
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: to never steal from someone a chance for them to
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: respond to God. Cause I, I, you know, I'm doing
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: my best. We're all doing our best of just navigating. Like,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: do you understand the gospel? And we always ask really
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: intrusive questions to make sure that they do, but I
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: will say there are times I'm going, this girl is
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: not free. And I mean, she comes up and she
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: is different. It's like exuberant.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: So I'm figuring it out as the person that comes
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: from an insanely conservative background. And still, my theology is
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: very conservative on all things. I'm just telling you what
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: I've experienced in the supernatural that.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: Has blown my mind.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow. Well, it's incredible. I mean, your, your ministry
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: is incredible. I'm, I'm jealous for those moments, those moments.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Cause I've experienced them. There's nothing like the freedom that
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: comes from those moments and just being like, God is
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: real and his word is true. And the things he
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: tells us to do, there's a reason for it. Yeah.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: And sometimes those hard moments, like I, I obviously wasn't
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: there for this, but I can just picture that girl
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: who had the abortion and her wrestle for 10 minutes
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: of being like, don't do it. Don't do it. It's
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: going to be weird. People are like, and then she
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: just does it. And then she suffered in those 10
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: minutes internally for the first, of thousands. And I think
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: that's what I would encourage you listening is that God
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: not only has freedom for you, he has freedom for
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: your whole community, for your whole family. When you take
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: the first step and you say, I'm going to be
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: the person that's going to be the weird one. That's
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: going to be like, I feel something funky in my house.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Let's take communion.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I feel like, Hey, there's that little thing that like,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: like me and Annie have gotten pretty good at this
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: where we'll just confess like small stuff. She'll be like,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Hey babe, I, I bought this thing that, you know,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: it could be, it's like totally reasonable. She like bought
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: something for, I don't know, the kitchen. That's like, she's like,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: but I didn't, I didn't ask you. And I'm like, like,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: we've just gotten into that habit. And I feel like there's,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: there's been freedom in our marriage because of that.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: I've just like, where it would just be a little
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: white lie, but you.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Just, or not even a white lie. Just like, Hey,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: I probably should have done this. And I didn't think to,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: you know? Um, And I think too, like one thing
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: that I've tried to do is confess the temptation, not
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: the sin.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah. That's good. So like I better to knock that
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: out then.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Right. Because then you got accountability right there too, that
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: they're going to check in on you. So, um, Jenny,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: thank you guys. Please go check out this book. The lie.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: You don't know. You believe. I mean, I, this has
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: got to be the most practical way to get free
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: in life as a Christian is to confess your sin
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: is to understand how the demonic works. how the kingdom
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: of light works, bring things into the light. Um, would you,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: if you were to just give one final word to
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: the listener, maybe they're thinking like, I don't know who
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: to confess to. I don't know that I have people
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: to confess to. How do they find that right person?
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: And then how, how do they go for that first step?
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I would just say, take the person you feel safest with.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: And right now, before I even finished talking, text them
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: right now and say, Hey, I need to tell you
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: something that I'm scared to say out loud and, and
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: maybe just drop it in the text.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: Like just say it like I had.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: An abortion or I am addicted to pornography and nobody knows.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Like say the thing and then say, will you help
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: me and ask for help? I'm telling you right then
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: you have unlocked something that.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: Is so powerful.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: And I know it's scary. And that's where people don't
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: always respond well or respond correctly. They try to fix us.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: They try to, I don't know, it's hard. And I
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: would just say, Say what you need to say. Say,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: I don't want you to fix me. I want you
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: to walk through this with me. I want you to,
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: I want to help, but I need, I just need
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: you to be in this with me. And yeah, it's
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: the beginning.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: That's good. Could you pray for them? Yes.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: So God, I do think of the person listening that
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: their heart is just racing right now because they're scared
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: and they don't want to be found out. Yet it
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: is your kindness that leads us to confession and to
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: repentance and And I just pray that they would experience
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: your kindness and your mercy.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: And maybe the reason it feels.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: So agonizing to say out loud is because they've dared
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: to hope there could be forgiveness for them. And I
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: just pray today, God, that they would believe it, that
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: they would just dare to believe that there is no
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. and that
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: we get to be free and that this is the
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: means to that. This is the way, the path, the
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: cost to it. God is to possibly be humiliated, to
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: possibly be held to consequences that we don't want to face.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: I think that's, I'm watching a friend right now just
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: who's battled with addiction and really bad choices for a
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: long time, and they're facing the consequences.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: And so lonely.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: It's so hard.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: And yet they've never been more happy and free. And
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: that's what you can't understand right now. And God, I
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: just pray you would, you would, you know, just help
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: people to hope, help people to believe.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: God, you're so, you are so.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Able to do things. We, We couldn't ever even ask
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: or imagine. And God, I just pray for the faith,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: the mustard seed of faith that someone would have today
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: to be brave to say it to a friend.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: And God, thank you for.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: The reason that we can say it out loud. Thank
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: you for the reason there is no condemnation, that you
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: so love the world, that you sent your only begotten son,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: that who should ever believe in him wouldn't perish forever.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: but would have everlasting life. So thank you that you
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: made the way for this to be possible. So we
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: love you in Jesus name.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Amen. Amen. Jenny, thank you. So glad to be your friend.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: So glad you came on.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, guys, thank you for tuning in. See you guys
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: next week.