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#323 - For Azeroth!: "Take a Number" · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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Maybe you'll get the loot that much faster because you got EP
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mcsween up on your raid. I've done a dungeon with him,
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he's actually pretty good at mechanics.
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He's a blowhard. We don't need him.
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Victory for the Forsaken. For Lauderon for the Karen tour
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for. Pandaria.
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For calendar to the. Burning region for Gilnaeus or
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has not died for the Lich king for the.
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Sindora for the alliance. For the horn for Azeroth.
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Hello and welcome back to another episode of For Azeroth.
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I am one of your hosts, Manny, and of joining me is of course
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the other two parts of The Triumphant.
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Of course, joining us first is Lex.
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Lex, how is the World of Warcraft treating you this week?
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It's been treating me well. I have really dug into delves
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again this week and in fact this week I had the thought, you
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know, I don't actually have to do M plus for this entire season
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if I don't want to. And I like felt my body relax.
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So looks like I'm not doing M plus this season but that's OK
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because I have my fun little delves to gear through and get
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my hero gear and I get to Bob with my raid and have a good
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time. OK.
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OK. And you're, I know you had done
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8 and I think you had tried an 11 last week.
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Are you still doing around there?
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I tried a nine. Isn't it hard?
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You guys are right, they're tough, but I did like having a
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little bit more challenge. I will also say the undertaker
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is wait, no, not the the underpin.
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The underpin, excuse me, man's tricky.
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He has so many ads it's crazy. So we're going to keep working
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on that, but. It's not the.
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So that's going to be question mark, not double question mark,
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OK. Yeah.
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Just question Mark. No, no.
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I started with double question mark.
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I was like, I bet I can do this. I bet it's not as hard as people
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were saying. And then I went back out and was
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like, I'm going to do this on one question mark.
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I bet I can do that. That's probably not as hard as
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people are saying. And then I went out and I'm
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like, I'm going to gear a little more and then we'll try again.
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Got it, got it. And where are you in your gear
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progression? I am up to 641.
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I have 0 jewellery from this season though, so both of my
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rings and my necklace are 619. Season 1 little grey text and I
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really got to figure out crafting and I've never crafted
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anything in my life and I'm broke as a joke so I'm probably
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not actually going to figure out crafting.
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But I got it. I got it because I really should
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not be at this point in the game with no necklace and no rings
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for this season. But maybe next of all.
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OK, I mean, necks are hard to come by this season.
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I actually did a search through and looked at all the things.
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It's just like there's barely any neck drops the dungeon pool
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cause like we've got dungeons from BFA, right?
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Which means no necks there. And there are literally 22IN all
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of the dungeon pools. And then in the raid, I think
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there's two for me. It's, it's, it's pretty, pretty
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vicious. So you're, you're not alone.
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I've crafted a neck and I'm going to be re crafting a neck
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as soon as I get a enough of the concentration to do the earthen
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crafted. Cause I've been making that neck
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for everybody else. And now I know why.
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Yeah. Let's get an order from me,
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Manny. That's why there.
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You go, you just let me know. I can.
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I can do some Joel crafting. I'll jump into your guilt for a
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little bit quickly. Make it for you.
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You're broke as a joke, so this will be a labor of love, not
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profit. I have some money, I have like
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50,000 gold I think. Not even my of all my war band,
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not even the lowest salt has only 50K.
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Anyways, going over to somebody who might also be a little bit
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broke as a joke because it is that that part of going through
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progression and so forth. Sean, hello, how are you and
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how's the World of Warcraft been treating you?
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Warcraft's been great. I'm actually pretty flushed this
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season. I did a bunch of farming at the
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end of last season once we wrapped up everything, so I
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haven't had to buy a token yet. So there you go Manny.
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I'm sitting on an easy 4 to 500 K rich there.
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You go, there you go. That's that's pretty solid
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there. Yeah, Warcraft's been great.
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I we killed Sticks Bunk Junker on NA last week.
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It was a pretty good kill. The team did really well and
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then we got Sprocketmonger lock and stock, first of his name,
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King of the Andals to 31%. I want to say no 34%.
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And then on EU, I read on EU as well.
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We, we got AOTC on Sunday, which is it's an AOTC Guild that I'm
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in on EU because I couldn't possibly maintain 2 mythic
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rating characters on two different regions.
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And that was a lot of fun. That team did great.
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So we're in the postseason for them, which means I can start my
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gold farm early over there. We're only one month in.
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I got about 5 months of of herbing and mining to do so
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that's pretty good. So I should be good for gold for
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a bit. It's tough one of you because I
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can't buy tokens there. I'm a big big fan of the token
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purchase, but because I have an NAB net account, I can't
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purchase EU tokens. I would have to change the
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region of my B net, which would then mean I couldn't buy NA
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tokens. So I am restricted to only
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getting gold in EU by farming. Wait, how hard is it to change
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your region though? Like could you just like do that
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on like a daily basis anytime you wanted to?
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I'm going. To be honest with you, I don't
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know, but it's a minor annoyance, which means it's
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beyond the scope that I'm willing to consider that's.
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Entirely fair. It's actually impossible.
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Yeah, I, we tried to change the faucet in our bathtub on
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Saturday. Honestly wanted to put a we have
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like a one of those cast iron claw foot bathtubs and it just
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had a faucet like a like a what do you spell it?
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And. You rub oil?
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Yeah, we rub oil on it. Yeah.
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You got to get them. You got to season them.
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You got to be. And so she wanted a wanted like
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a shower nozzle on there and put a shocker around it.
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To swap a faucet in a bathroom like that, because it's open,
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it's. It should be as easy as you undo
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the compression nuts that are currently on the faucet.
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Take the two lock nuts off. Pull the faucet open, put the
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new faucet in, lock nuts on. Reattach the compressor nuts.
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Bob, Compression nuts. Bob's your uncle.
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It was not that easy for us. It was 6 1/2 hours.
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One of the compression nuts was bent.
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At one point there was water spraying all over the back of
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the wall when we tried to see if we had put them on right.
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I then attempted to get it to stop dripping.
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I have multiple bruises and four cuts and we ended up calling a
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plumber who came on Monday and at that point we were so
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frustrated with the new shower nozzle that we put in that we
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asked him just to put the old one in.
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So I spent this weekend $230 on a new shower faucet for our
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bathtub and then $125.00 to have a plumber put it all back the
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way it was before we started. Which for those keeping a score
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at home, is what Anjali suggested we do on Saturday
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morning. She said, why don't we just get
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an attachment on the wall with a little claw and I'll just
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because the one we have up there now has like a, one of those
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handheld things with a hose. She's like, I'll just hang it up
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on there. She's the one that's here.
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I'll just hang it up. And I was like, no, no, no, we
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got to get you a nice one. We have.
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It's going to be easy. It's going to be so easy.
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Anyway, Warcraft great. I'm.
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Really glad Angela is back. Yeah, I'm glad she's back too.
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You know, I'm glad she's back. But while she was gone, there
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was no plumbers required in this house.
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And I believe pretty soon you're going to be hopping across the
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pond. Yeah.
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May I fly out May 7th for LFG 2 and that runs May 10th and 11th.
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And I can't announce it yet because they haven't announced
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it yet, but there will be a special recruiter friend episode
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recorded live on scene with somebody that is very cool.
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Oh, is it me? It is.
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It could be you. No it.
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Couldn't because I'm going to be in.
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Boss, but I can't. But I can't say who it is, but
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it's, it's, I'm pretty excited about it.
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I'm really looking forward to to talking to this person.
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They have mirrors at home. If you want to talk to somebody,
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cool, you don't have to fly out. That's true.
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I'm talking to two cool people right now.
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Yeah. And I'm in the conversation too.
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So I'm glad that World of Warcraft is going well for you
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guys. That progression is going well
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in delves and rating and so forth.
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But one thing that has been hitting the servers is a number
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of hot fixes for not delves, not raids, but the dungeons.
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And I'm. I'm glad to see these hot fixes.
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I'm glad to see them constantly changing things.
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Last week we had fortified, but it was like OG fortified, not
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the regular fortified. Instead of getting the nice 20%
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health buff, the these guys were packing more punch than usual
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and Blizzard took some time, realized oops that was a mistake
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and we got the proper fortified back.
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And I'm glad for that. Were you doing dungeons quick
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enough for this, or did this elude your your sights there,
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Sean? I mean, I had been doing
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dungeons since this this, this bug was in place for the whole
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start. Like this has been in place
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since start of the season. So everybody was doing them
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harder than they should have been, and they feel a lot easier
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now. Pull sizes have increased.
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Get ready for those MDI pulls. Lex.
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I can't believe I have to just ask this.
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This is the best Mythic Plus season I think I've ever played
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in terms of both accessibility and fun, and this is the season
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you're choosing to quit. Yeah, So I, so first of all, I
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think Mythic Plus is I, I, I want to be really clear, that
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was not me saying other people should also quit Mythic Plus.
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The only argument I would like to make from that is to remember
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that this is a video game that exists for fun.
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And if there's anything in this video game that's not fun for
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you, just don't. Just don't do it.
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Simply don't. It it the why why it's it to to
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be clear, if you are a professional World of Warcraft
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player, don't listen to me. Listen to your boss.
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Then you do do all the hard stuff.
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You're getting paid for it. I do hard stuff at work.
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I mean not as hard as what you do probably, but I do stupid
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things that I hate at work and it's the job.
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That's why you're making money. But if you are not getting paid
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for World of Warcraft, it's a poopa doopa doopa video game.
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Have a good time. I so mythic plus hits this
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perfect in between spot for me. We're like in a raid.
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I don't feel like everyone's looking at me and I'm like
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everyone knows when I'm doing a bad job because there's a
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million other people. It's fun, right?
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Even when I was a healer, there's a bunch of other people.
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It's no big you tank a little bit.
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I felt like I but that's, you know, whatever it's there's two
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of them. They'll figure it out.
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If I die, then the other tank gets cool because he gets to
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kill the boss on his own. Everyone's like, oh, Kirk,
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you're so good, you know, who cares?
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I was actually I was trying to make Kirk look good.
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So raid. I feel like I can kind of blacks
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and vibe with my friends and just hoop like, you know, not
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stress delves. Obviously it is me in a room and
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I am bopping right along and we're having a good time and
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everything is great. And so, you know, who cares?
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Nobody's looking at me. We're having we're having fun
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and plus I feel like everyone is looking at me and I feel like,
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especially because all of my friends are really experienced
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mythic plus players, I like every time things are going
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badly, I feel like it is my fault And I am like, everyone is
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just taking this like horrible carry.
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So like, you know, to to power through and like everyone's like
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having a bad time and they could be having a good time if they
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were playing with anyone else, but they're playing with me.
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He's having a bad time. So mythic plus has always been a
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little bit overly like more stressful for me.
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And I felt very like observed and like even even outside.
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And I want to be really clear. This is I none of my friends
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have ever made me feel like a bad carrier.
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My friends are incredible. They're wonderful.
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They just want to play with me. I know that in my thought brain,
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I know that in my feeling brain, I feel like an asshole.
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Sorry, Manny, but so for like even beyond that, like I just, I
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feel like everyone can see when I make a mistake in mythic plus
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in a way that I don't really feel enraged because there's so
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many more people and I don't feel in doubt because they're
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zero people. So mythic plus is always tough
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for me. And then this tier, there's, you
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know, gestures vaguely, the happenings of the world that
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have my anxiety up. And also everything that I do
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has to compete against the other option, which is sitting on a
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couch while a little puppy snuggles her little body into me
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and looks at me with more love than I've ever seen anyone look
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at me in my life. So anything that like doesn't
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bring more joy like then a little puppy look and snuggling
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up at me and looking at me with more love than I've ever seen
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anyone look at me in my life. It it's just, it doesn't feel as
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good, right? So this season in particular, I
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have found that the stressors of mythic plus are not outweighing.
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I'm sorry, the the stressors are outweighing the joy for me.
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And I would just rather have a slow little tier where it takes
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me a while to gear. But I'm bopping through my, you
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know, couple delves every week. I'm getting my keys in and then
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I'm going in a rating with all my besties.
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We're having a fun little time. We're chatting, chatting,
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chatting away and nobody's looking at me because there's a
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million people and I spend the other nights snuggling with my
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little puppy. Yeah, you had me a puppy.
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I get it. You're also going to have
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horrific visions in 11 point 1.5 which are also solo content and
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they come with a friend from Sora Dormy so and they drop
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heroic tier gear so I'm sorry Heroic track gear.
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I'm going to be the geared out most geared out person in my
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guilt. Yeah, there you go.
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All right. You know what, Lex?
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You're right. You should quit this season.
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Hell yeah. And again, I'm not saying that
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Mythic Plus is bad. First of all, everything that I
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said is ridiculous. Can I first say that I know that
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every single thing I said about Mythic Plus and everyone
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watching me and feeling that I care, that's stupid.
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That's dumb. If you feel that way, you're
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wrong. That's not how it goes.
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That's not how anyone feels. And if they do feel like that,
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they're an idiot. All of the mistakes are your
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fault, but nobody cares. Yeah, exactly.
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That's true. That's true.
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But so if, if, if what you want right now is somebody to tell
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you no, no, no, it's actually OK, you should do Mythic.
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Plus good kind people will want to play with you.
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Even if you're learning. It's OK to learn.
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It's OK to make mistakes. No biggie.
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If it is a biggie to somebody, they're a jerk and you should
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cut them out of your life. I've heard that's so true.
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Everything that I just said is 100% correct.
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Go do mythic plus have fun. If what you want is somebody to
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tell you it's a, it's a silly little video game and if
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anything is not making you feel good in it right now, it's OK to
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just decide that's not a thing you're going to do.
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Whether that's mythic plus, whether that's raid, whether
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that's grind gold obviously is another one that I don't do.
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Whether that's Delve, babe, I got you.
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Don't do the bad. Don't do things that feel bad in
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a silly video game. It's silly video game.
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Go have fun with your silly video games and boop, boop,
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boop, boop. Have fun.
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Anyway, that's my take of the day.
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So I think, yeah, if you're enjoying dolls and you're like
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finding your love in that, like it's it's a good path.
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And we had the conversation a couple episodes back, right
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about the items that you can get from there and the gearing you
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can get from there. And if you're ALT focused, that
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will get you some pieces to fill in slots and such.
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In fact, this season the Delve gear has been actually pretty
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solid. In fact, two of the trinkets
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from Delves have been quite good.
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I mean they're no Sephorium trinket, but there is one
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trinket that at a heroic level I think is even including mythic
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mythic level trinkets is actually quite competitive and
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the A tier trinket for enhancement shamans.
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And I think for a lot of classes that like stats, there was also
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a big change with a lot of trinkets recently, where the
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proctic trinkets, the trinkets that did damage that the ones
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that weren't just giving stats are have been buffed.
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And so would have to look at those again.
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But yeah, they're like, you can get the you can get the gear
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from delves that'll help you push through.
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You're playing a Demon Hunter. So it is that damage is always
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going to be good for you in in Havoc.
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But going back to the mythic plus that we started with, there
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were a number of changes over the last little a bit now
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multiple days, I think every two days, every other day we were
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seeing like some sort of changes for a mythic plus.
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So the 26th, there was one, there was one in between.
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There was one that was scheduled for the reset and stuff came in
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with the reset. So we are now seeing some
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beautiful hot fixes the in the the theater of pain, the Xav the
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unfallen crushing slam now has a proper visual so you could see
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where it's lined up. Oh, I like I didn't see these
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hot no, these hot fixes at 1st and I was running a dungeon and
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suddenly it's like, wait, there's a line there?
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What when the hell it was? It was glorious.
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One thing that I thought was hilarious that I knew about this
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like behavior before and I'm kind of glad they fixed it, is
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that dark Fuse demolitionists, when they get when they're under
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the effect of dominate mind by a priest, they're not constantly
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firing off their big RPG thing that had caused wipes because
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just it would pull everything in like 80 yard radius was causing
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a lot of wipes. Now that's being fixed.
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Priests can still mind control them, but they won't be going
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absolutely insane. Boo but it's being mind
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controlled. They should be going absolutely
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insane. No, no, you keep them under
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control and Sandy is a separate part of priests and only a
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particular flavor of priests. There was also where, again in
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theater of pain, the deaf speakers that do the death
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winds, those will actually fire off in the location in the
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direction they're facing. I have seen some poor people who
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thought they were safe, but unfortunately that storm went
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off in a different direction, blowing them right off the
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platform and then causing a death, so I'm glad that that got
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fixed as well. Is there anything in these hot
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fixes that you guys are are really happy to see?
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The increased minimum distance for swamp face is nice because
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often times one of the roots, the protruding roots would spawn
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like right underneath them. It would be really hard to see.
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So now you should be able to see them.
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They should be far enough distance so you'll be able to
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see them fully. I mean, that's the one I'm
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really excited about. I'm I'm always I'm pro hot fix
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all the time. Anytime you're making dungeons
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easier or fixing a pain point that would make things more
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difficult than needed to be is a win more to.
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Lose the hot fixes should be on Theatre of Pain to fix the pain
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points. I see what you.
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Detect. I mean.
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I mean the priority of the sacred flame, even though it
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doesn't have pain in the in the name, has had a number of pain
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points. I think they did three separate
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hot fixes to forge Master Damien alone because he was just like
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he was a slog for some teams and as the damage went up his
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abilities coming. Fast and Furious has have been
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adjusted and I'm glad for that. But yeah, I, I, I really do
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think that this season is really good.
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I'm sorry that you're taking a little break from it, but maybe
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with Season 3 you might give it another chance.
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Maybe would be fun. I would.
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I want to. I want a tank.
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It's just the getting to that point and feeling like I not
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understand what I'm doing enough to be having a good time is a is
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a bigger gap to bridge than I thought it would be.
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I I might suggest, well last week was when you did 4 mythic
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zeros and you could get the thing, but you could just run it
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with as like DPS, see how the pools are, get a feel for it.
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Like as Adps, we're less of the pressure, you're less of a
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linchpin. And then translate that for when
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you want to tank and be like, OK, let me tank at a lower than
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I'm used to. So it's a little more
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comfortable. And you already know the pools
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and some of the behaviors and stuff.
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And that might be a good way of going into it rather than going
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into it really late in the season where everybody already
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kind of knows what they're doing.
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And then it feels bad to like not be pulling at the crazy rate
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that you might see somebody like Sean pull.
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Yeah, and I think that's one reason why Season 1, I I felt
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like I could dip my toes into tanking because I did, I had
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done a lot of DPS already. And so I felt like I kind of
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understood the routes. And then I learned very quickly
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that I didn't at all. But no, I think that's a really
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good idea to like start out in a thing that would feel a bit less
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stressful and then see what people are doing and focus on
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learning it. Yeah, that totally would work if
22:02
I didn't want to snuggle my puppy instead of doing that.
22:04
Yeah, the puppy wins. I get it.
22:06
I get it. OK.
22:07
That's the real thing. I really everything right now is
22:10
competing like I I I am doing just enough that I can
22:14
realistically remain rating and any other time I want to
22:17
dedicate to snuggling my puppy. I'm surprised you're here right
22:19
now. I kind of am too, especially
22:22
since I do have a wireless headset, so I could
22:23
hypothetically be recording this while snuggling my puppy.
22:26
Yeah, that. Would be bad for the video.
22:28
So we're, we're gonna, we're gonna nip that on the bud.
22:31
But that said, season 3 is already in the talks because
22:37
they are asking everybody what dungeons they would like to see
22:42
return for season 3. So this is a little bit
22:45
different. Usually this is a survey kind of
22:47
comes for season 4, the extra season where we go, oh, what
22:52
classic dungeons would you like to come back?
22:54
And then people vote for grid rail and I get angry at them.
22:58
But this time I, what did you say?
23:01
Like way back when they're all WS.
23:03
All we do is win, win, win. I feel like all these dungeons
23:06
are win, win, win. So you can have all of the
23:12
dungeons, including Operation Floodgate, which was introduced
23:16
this season, right? And suggest which of those
23:20
dungeons will be coming back for Season 3.
23:24
Now, They didn't say how many of them will be coming back.
23:28
I would think, I would think that it's gonna be 4:00 to 5:00.
23:33
I don't think they're gonna have mostly classic dungeons coming
23:36
back. But the top votes of this poll
23:40
will be the ones that are going to be returning.
23:43
And then these votes are aggregated.
23:45
So if there is a very close near tie, the Wow development team is
23:50
gonna make the call on that. And that's most likely to be
23:53
based on like all the criteria they normally do.
23:56
Now, generally, what dungeons are you looking to have come
24:03
back from both Season 1 and Season 2?
24:07
Sean, you had you had some strong decisions here.
24:09
What's your top dungeon? So it's this is a tough, it's a
24:12
tough question. And I think the issue is the
24:14
community also doesn't understand the question that's
24:16
being asked. People are voting for dungeons.
24:21
It seems like people are voting for dungeons that they had an
24:24
easy time clearing or in which there was a good loot table
24:29
instead of voting for the dungeons that are the best
24:33
designed. So for me, my vote.
24:39
As far as boss fights go, the top two best dungeons from the
24:43
World Within pool are easily Operation Floodgate and Dark
24:49
Flame Cleft. You cannot.
24:51
And I know Dark Flame Cleft caught a lot of heat at the
24:54
start of the season or pre season when people were
24:56
convinced that the Minecraft section was going to be doomed.
24:58
And it's not. Blizzard made it so that it
25:01
wasn't. It's still not.
25:02
It's it's it's probably my favorite dungeon this season.
25:05
And the boss fights are so incredibly well designed that
25:09
they can even be completed if you don't fully understand the
25:12
mechanics of them. I watched a Demon Hunter friend
25:16
of mine complete a + 15 and he had no idea how the boss
25:22
mechanics worked on the candle boss or on the last month.
25:25
And I was like in the call watching explaining to him as it
25:29
was happening. Like no, you're going you want
25:31
to light as many candles as you can so that you have less of the
25:33
dot anyway. So those those those one of
25:38
those two should be people's picks because they're super well
25:41
designed, they're fun, and the the boss fights are good.
25:45
If you're looking for speed, then you want to maybe vote for
25:48
the Rookery. The Rookery is by far the
25:50
fastest dungeon to complete. Also very fun, the last boss
25:55
there can be difficult if DPS don't realize that they don't
25:58
have to stand at their spots for the pillar breaks and the
26:01
pillars aren't there and they can come in for healing from
26:03
your preservation of ochre because he can't reach you way
26:06
over there. Yeah, honestly, there is no you
26:10
did say man, there's no bad answer here except maybe City of
26:13
threads. Nobody wants that so.
26:16
It's a 2% right now, so you're right, nobody wants.
26:18
It yeah it's a rough one, but a lot of people are heavily voting
26:22
for Eric Cara and the Dawn Breaker, which were both super
26:27
well received in season 1 and it's because they were easily
26:32
timed. They both had extremely
26:33
forgiving timers, but I would argue that Eric Harris is not a
26:38
super great designed dungeon and that last boss is kind of a
26:41
nightmare. I.
26:43
Hate that one. That was that OK our Cara was
26:47
genuinely in season 1, the dungeon that made me stop doing
26:50
mythic plus and it was that last boss, boss specifically.
26:53
I was done after like one night of like an hour long pull and I
26:57
was like Nope, we're finished, cancelled, it's over.
27:01
Yeah, I get it multiple times, like multiple times.
27:04
We will be running 12/13 1212 and thirteens get to the last
27:09
boss with like 14 minutes left and still not time it.
27:14
It's it's wild, wild how it was our least consistent dungeon of
27:18
that season. And this is not the dungeon's
27:20
fault, but the like the mechanic with the the blood is bugged
27:25
with it's specifically, first of all, it's horrible, but it's
27:28
also specifically bugged with Demon Hunter leaps where if you
27:32
leap to the other side of the blood, it like marks your body.
27:37
Like like the where, where the the thing goes is not where you
27:40
get stuck. So like I, I was spending so
27:43
much time trying to figure out where my blood was because I
27:45
jumped over it. But like, also, that's how the
27:47
Demon Hunter like unless I'm running by pressing W or both
27:52
mouse buttons for those of you who don't keyboard turn like
27:54
there's, there's literally no other way for me to get to where
27:57
I need to go in time. It was terrible.
27:59
That one was really, really stressful.
28:00
Yeah, and I I also think people might be voting for it because
28:04
Sack Brood was such a strong trinket, but every time they
28:07
brought dungeons backs, they've they've tuned to the trinkets to
28:09
bring them in line. So if you're and also when you
28:12
use sacred, you get this weird lump on your back.
28:15
I hated it so much. Anyway, I voted.
28:18
I voted for the Rookery because I did what I said people
28:20
shouldn't do and voted for the one that is fast and easy.
28:23
But flame. So do as I say, not as I do.
28:27
Dark Flame, Cleft, Operation Floodgate are both probably the
28:29
two best designed dungeons from The War Within prior to Second
28:32
Flame is gorgeous. It's also a lot of fun.
28:35
I think. I think that that could be a
28:37
good winner. That's third right now.
28:39
Yeah. Anyway.
28:41
I voted for cinder brew because I think it's it's cute.
28:45
I hate cinder brew meter E because I'm stuck in neck hell
28:51
or I was I I got the neck last two nights ago.
28:55
I got the neck, but it was like 30 two runs of cinder brew to
28:59
get that neck, but it is a it is AII get it If I had only had to
29:04
run it when I got the key. It's a fun dungeon.
29:08
It's pretty. It reminds me a lot of temple
29:09
the jade serpent because you can go either direction.
29:11
Obviously you're going towards IPA first because you need the
29:14
lust for him, but it's a lot of fun and it has some really fun
29:20
boss fights as well. I really like bank Busby in
29:23
there and I really also really like Goldie bear and bottom.
29:27
Both good fights. Although I will say I this is an
29:29
issue that I have every time World of Warcraft does anything
29:33
involving brewing. Although I have less of an issue
29:35
with the meadery than I do when they talk about beer, where I
29:40
don't think they, first of all, I don't think they understand
29:41
how brewing works. And second of all, I think they
29:45
think that Mead is a beer. And it's not.
29:50
It's a with anything, it's a wine, which just bothers me.
29:55
Like I, I just like, especially the I the IPA.
29:58
I'm like, I get the joke, I get the fun, but it's why?
30:02
But it wouldn't it wouldn't be an IPA.
30:04
Why? Why would there be an IPA and a
30:05
meadery? An IPA is a hoppy beer and
30:08
meadery like Mead is a honey wine.
30:11
Like what are we doing here? What is going on?
30:13
It's. An experimental element that
30:15
they made. They were experimenting, Lex.
30:19
But I and I, I get that. I get that.
30:22
And I, I just, who would put like is, are they saying that
30:26
they put hops in honey wine? Because that sounds terrible
30:33
like, which I guess is why they have a big evil.
30:36
I mean like I wouldn't say hops, he more floats.
30:40
OK, but like but but OK. But all of this is better than
30:45
and I swear I'm going to let Manny speak in a minute, but I
30:47
just, I just need to get this off my chest.
30:49
Blizzard thinks that you brew beer within the course of one
30:54
day. Like this bothered me so much
30:57
when I was reading the the not war crimes.
31:00
The other the the war crimes isn't even Pandaria.
31:03
No, it is anyway the, the the Pandaria story, the Volgen
31:06
story. And like very clearly the author
31:10
was under the impression that you could like put something
31:12
like a flavoring in a beer and that afternoon or within a few
31:16
hours, sometimes you could taste how it affect did the brew.
31:20
And I just like brewing is like at least a month long process.
31:24
Like, what are we? It is certainly even even if
31:26
we're talking to faster beers, it is not with like you will not
31:29
know what that tastes like by the end of the goddamn day.
31:33
So I'm chronically annoyed by that.
31:35
But it's OK. Minnie, what are you voting for?
31:41
I haven't made my decision yet. I think that like, I wanna see
31:46
something come back from Season 1 because I'd like to see the
31:50
difference between Season 1 and Season 2.
31:53
Like one thing I wanna point out to everybody is that anything
31:58
coming back from Season 1 is gonna be a lot different.
32:01
There's a completely different ethos that's involved with like
32:05
the way trash is done, how many interrupts you need to pull, and
32:09
that's going to change the the amount of packs that you pull
32:12
together and all and all of that.
32:14
The fact that the affixes and where they're introduced has
32:17
changed his stuff. I'd love to get like a direct
32:20
comparison of some of these dungeons, how I experienced them
32:23
in Season 1 versus how they look like with this, with this new
32:28
change in direction of how affixes interact with dungeon
32:32
mechanics. So yeah, like I think that
32:37
Floodgate has some magnificently designed bosses and it's really
32:42
fun, but I would really like to see some Season 1 things come
32:48
back and see if they're like, OK, well, you know what?
32:52
Like you can pull two of the mini bosses together when
32:57
you're, when you are doing something like the dawn breaker
33:02
or you're not going to be like utterly overwhelmed with like
33:08
interrupts when you're going through the storm vault.
33:10
Cause the storm vault had just packs with multiple casters in
33:15
every single pack. And so like, how would they
33:20
change that? Like, is it that those effects
33:22
aren't going to be as painful and as punishing or they just
33:25
going to like be less frequent? Like I just, I want to see that
33:30
as sort of a thought experiment sort of thing.
33:32
And all these dungeons are going to come back later.
33:36
So whatever I I'm going to, I'm going to give it a good look
33:39
through and see and see what it is.
33:41
But yeah, let us know what you guys think.
33:44
Obviously, bit dot LY slash fast discord like to know what our
33:49
listeners think should be the top choices, not necessarily the
33:52
entirety of the World of Warcraft population.
33:57
Now going from that over to our next story guys, they've done it
34:06
again. As much as gear score changed
34:10
the game as much as everybody in their IO score caused caused
34:16
pugging to be a bit more toxic, a bit less social, Wowhead and
34:24
their subsidiary Arcon have decided to create a new add on.
34:29
You guys want to talk about this?
34:31
Wait. Wowhead owns Arcon you.
34:34
Didn't know that I. Had no idea.
34:37
Wait, is it Wowhead or is it Warcraft logs?
34:38
Warcraft logs. Warcraft logs is ARCON.
34:44
Is there a sort of all of them are working together?
34:50
I'm not sure. Well, it's definitely Warcraft
34:51
logs and Arcon, yeah. Arcon is Warcraft logs.
34:55
That's the same company. I didn't know Wowhead was
35:01
involved. I'm going to double check, but
35:03
tell us about this add on, OK? Yeah, so it's it takes your
35:08
parses from heroic and mythic and shows it on a tool tip in
35:12
game for use when putting together pugs for the rates they
35:18
are taking Now obviously hear that immediately and everybody
35:22
knee jerk reaction is Oh my God this is terrible for the game.
35:24
Why would you do this? You're going to ruin pug life.
35:30
The sky is falling. I have a slightly less doomer
35:36
take on it than that because this information is already out
35:40
there. It already exists.
35:41
Anybody who cared about it when building their PUD groups could
35:45
already look it up and see it. They are making steps so to try
35:49
to try and balance that perception.
35:52
So it is your average par score among all of your kills in
35:58
heroic and mythic, but it's only after you've hit certain
36:02
thresholds. You have to have 20 heroic boss
36:05
kills before it shows any scores to allow you to build up sort of
36:08
a base so you're not being judged off of 1 bad prog parse.
36:13
And 20 boss clears is just about 3 clears of the Raiders. 8
36:18
bosses in the raid. So 8 * 3 is what, 18 maths hard?
36:24
Nope, 24. So yeah, just about 3 clears of
36:26
the raid and two and a half clears.
36:29
And for Mythic, because mythic kills are a lot harder to come
36:32
by and not ever experience it, it's only 5 kills.
36:35
So you start to see parses at 5 kills.
36:36
If you've killed the boss on mythic but you haven't gotten 5
36:39
kills, I'll show you a heroic parse and say it's heroic.
36:42
You can opt out of this. However, opting out means you
36:45
hide your parses on Warcraft logs.
36:48
And if we're being honest, if somebody's opted out, it's going
36:52
to be the same as if your score was low.
36:55
So opting out won't really increase your chances of getting
37:00
into a group of anybody who was using this to determine their
37:02
group anyway. But they they are.
37:06
And it also hides your purses on Warcraft logs so you're the only
37:08
one who sees them. They are aware that people want
37:11
to be able to opt out of the add on but still be available on
37:13
Warcraft logs. I believe they said they were
37:15
working on that. I know people are really upset
37:20
about this. I don't pug a ton.
37:23
I do pug a little bit of the raid on alts.
37:27
I don't personally think this is going to have the impact that
37:31
Twitter or the overarching Warcraft community thinks it's
37:36
going to have. I think anybody who truly cared
37:41
that much about parses when building pug groups for heroic
37:47
was already looking them up or using another metric to to judge
37:54
you on, and I just don't think it's going to have the impact
37:58
that people think it is. It you.
38:00
It doesn't even exist for normal pugs.
38:02
So like it doesn't show normal prices at all.
38:07
So you shouldn't have any issue if you're like a more casual
38:10
player. I don't know.
38:13
I I know people are upset, so go ahead Lex.
38:17
Yeah, so I was going to say, I guess the one thing that I would
38:19
push really question. So I, I, we don't really pug at
38:22
all. I I, I would mean I'm scared of
38:25
doing random mythic classes. I'm certainly not going to put
38:28
myself at the mercy of a a random pugged raid.
38:33
And my team as a general rule, does not mess with pugging just
38:37
because there, there are exceptions.
38:39
But like usually if we're at a point where we need to pug, we
38:42
just don't because we just, we, we are very protective of the
38:45
community and the vibes and the energy we have.
38:48
And we would hate for that to feel like to, to have somebody
38:51
invited in who ruins that for a night.
38:54
So this doesn't really affect me.
38:56
The one I guess thing that I would just say though, is, yeah,
39:00
you can go look at logs. You can search people for logs.
39:04
But I guess it, for me, it's like I question that people do.
39:10
And I I understand like, yeah, like all this information is
39:12
publicly available, but surely there's a difference.
39:16
Sorry, not that that felt when I the minute that started coming
39:19
out of my mouth, I was like, this feels aggressive for
39:21
something that I don't actually fight about, that I don't know
39:23
anything about. I guess I feel like I would
39:26
never in my life when I was making pug groups for M plus
39:29
before, I would never have gone to radar IO and search people's
39:33
names while I have like 50 different applicants coming in
39:35
every second, right? But if they're going to give me
39:38
a score number, I don't really have a ton else to go on.
39:40
It's like I'm, you know, it's right there in my face, right?
39:44
And so I guess I, my thinking is like, yeah, but like who
39:48
actually does go look at Warcraft logs?
39:51
And on the other hand, if it's right there on your face, like,
39:52
are you going to ignore their persons and be like, no, I'm
39:54
going to go with this other person who I also have zero
39:56
additional information about but the number.
39:58
And and maybe that's OK, right? Maybe good people should get
40:01
into groups more. Maybe like that's not inherently
40:04
unfair. I didn't change things, right?
40:10
I don't. Yeah, I I see, I see your point.
40:12
It is I I definitely understand that.
40:14
Like, I could go. This will this will make people
40:17
who wouldn't take the effort to go look up a score be able to
40:20
go, oh, well, I'm going to take this person instead of that
40:22
person, even though they've both killed the same number of
40:24
bosses. This person has a better score
40:26
and they're better at it. Could you make the argument that
40:30
it will then make pug groups naturally form that are among
40:35
equal skill level instead of having a vast skill?
40:37
Maybe it'll make it. Here we go, here's a here's a
40:40
hope PM take that I'm sure will go really well.
40:42
Maybe this will make pug groups less toxic because instead of
40:45
having extremely skilled players mixed with less skilled players,
40:48
and then those players getting Madden, the less skilled players
40:50
make mistakes. The extremely skilled players
40:52
will only play with other extremely skilled players, and
40:55
the players that fall the next tier down will all group
40:57
together because they'll be able to see their gear scores and so
40:59
instead of being toxic with each other, they'll be understanding
41:02
because they're all at the same level.
41:04
We'll actually say to to add to that hope.
41:06
Maybe I shouldn't admit this, but when I do pug mythic plus I
41:09
usually will not take people with top scores because they
41:12
scare me and I don't want them to get mad at me.
41:14
Oh my God, I'm right. Let's just confirm I'm right,
41:19
Andy. What do you think?
41:20
Do you think this will make the pug scene less toxic?
41:22
No. What?
41:26
Like Lex is right, like it's in front of you.
41:29
So you'll go with the person with the highest score.
41:31
That will change people's behaviors.
41:33
This is raid, So what will people do?
41:35
They'll pad their scores to go for to go for the highest score
41:38
instead of doing mechanics. Now you'll get a bunch of people
41:41
who are concerned about doing the damage instead of mechanic.
41:44
Raids these days require people do to do mechanics.
41:48
There's going to be this entire thing of like come on guys, give
41:51
me the Pi as bad as it was before when like we were in farm
41:55
mode and it's like, oh man, give me all the PIS.
41:58
Let's do this. I'm hoping because it is
42:01
Warcraft logs that if you get too many PIS, it just won't show
42:05
up on the add on that they will include that that filter into
42:09
this because they already have a thing where you can go.
42:11
Hey, I don't need this thing with the PIS on this many people
42:17
giving me the buffs from this many drag theares, whatever,
42:21
right? I happen to be the guy who never
42:23
got picked to go on the the balls.
42:26
And so I just got to do A0A 0E. I did a bunch of superfluous
42:31
cleave damage on X&Y fight. So I've got the parse, but like
42:35
my team didn't care. So now this allows me to pug.
42:38
Why are you even in pugs if your team's already doing this,
42:41
Claire? I don't know, but like there's
42:42
just parses were already susceptible to abuse.
42:47
Making it so that your invitation now now gets
42:51
reflected by your parse and more people are going to be looking
42:54
at your parse is just inviting the behavior that I just don't
42:59
want and I do think. Will it incentivize people to
43:05
learn the fights and play better to get better scores?
43:10
I'm getting better. Hold on.
43:12
I just, I need to be super clear for both my Co hosts and
43:14
everybody who's listening right now screaming at their their
43:17
stereos. I obviously know what's going to
43:19
happen when this add on comes out, but we can't all just sit
43:21
here and be like this add on's garbage.
43:24
Maybe it'll be OK. Let's be today.
43:30
But everybody knows that you can pad damage in so many fights in
43:38
this raid. They do actually negate a lot of
43:40
the ad damage. It doesn't count for purses.
43:43
Sure, right. Like that, that helps if I am a
43:48
funnel if I'm a funnel character does naturally it like it helps
43:53
to offset some of it right? If I decide to tunnel on the
43:57
boss so I can get 100% up time and not turn and kill the kill
44:02
the ads in one in one armed bandit.
44:05
Holy crap, I I need those parses to be like immediately removed.
44:09
If you are not doing like 1520% of your damage on those ads,
44:14
just your parse is great immediately.
44:17
And like, do I want to put that on Warcraft logs that you need
44:21
to police your logs because now you're affecting people's
44:24
ability to even play the game. Their choice to make it right,
44:29
the but like, I just know bad behavior is going to rule the
44:34
day because people aren't going to look deeper in the logs.
44:38
And I think that the people who did look deep in the logs, that
44:40
took the time to go to the logs and say, oh, this is a problem.
44:44
Let me not look at their parts, but actually go and see, hey,
44:48
did they actually do this right? That takes away from the people
44:51
who were going just to Warcraft logs, right?
44:55
And now there's a bigger portion who will lazily look at the
44:59
orange parse and be like, yeah, even though that orange parse
45:03
might be a complete red herring. So I have a question that I'm
45:08
trying to answer as we speak because as much as I I totally
45:15
agree with everything you're saying, Manny and I like, I
45:17
can't make a good argument for why this shouldn't exist, but I
45:19
think that it shouldn't, right? I think that I think that bad
45:22
players should be allowed to have fun.
45:24
And that's not a good enough reason for us not to have ways
45:27
to know if players are bad. But it's for me, in my heart and
45:30
soul it is. But I kind of have I'm I'm
45:35
curious how much hugging raid actually happens, right?
45:42
So I just want to know, Oh my God, my computer needs to load
45:45
faster because I want to know at 8:17 PM EST on a Tuesday how
45:52
many heroic pug groups there are right now.
45:55
And maybe it'll be a lot, and I'll be about to.
45:57
Look, depends on the season, depends on like where you are in
46:01
the season, depends on the day, right?
46:03
But like, yeah, it could be a lot earlier.
46:06
And then of course trail off. Like it depends on on a lot of
46:14
things there. But like also I could see a
46:18
fight where it's like I go in there and I die immediately.
46:23
And now Lex is stressed out of her and out of her mind.
46:27
She's normally with with like people who are competent
46:30
healers, right? And because she's down a healer
46:34
from like the get go because I just ran myself into the
46:37
garbage. Her log is like huge, right,
46:40
Because she's doing way more healing or some idiot is like
46:44
running into like every everything and you're keeping me
46:47
alive. And so like, hey, your your law
46:50
gets utterly inflated. But that devalues all the other
46:53
logs from teams that work together.
46:56
And so the the damage wasn't that much like that also would
46:59
affects logs if you are burning through the boss super fast and
47:03
nobody takes any damage or you have a longer fight and people
47:06
take a lot of damage, that also effects healer logs, not even
47:09
including DPS logs. Oh.
47:11
I, I'm done heel leading and I will say until the day I die,
47:14
the healer parses are not. So I, I was thinking about this
47:17
only as ADPS parse, right? I think DPS parses, there's a
47:20
lot of So first of all, I'm going to quickly interrupt
47:22
myself and say there, there were a lot of pugs.
47:24
So I was completely, I was a liar.
47:25
A ton of people are pugging and it's absolutely going to have an
47:28
effect on the the game as well. So you make an add on if there
47:32
was no word audience for it so it makes sense.
47:35
True, Absolutely. Yeah, in retrospect I'm being
47:37
silly DPS person. As somebody who's played healer
47:41
and DPS and who was raid LED primarily healing but like to
47:44
some degree DPS ING, I DPS parts are are fairly meaningful right?
47:50
Because the thing about DPS is that you can in like from when
47:54
the start the fight starts to when the fight ends, you can
47:58
engage in your action. And if everyone is like burning
48:02
that like against the the boss, it will simply end sooner,
48:07
right? There's no cap to the amount of
48:09
damage you can do other than the boss dying.
48:12
So DPS parts I think are very meaningful.
48:14
Healing parses I will always say are incredibly complicated
48:19
because there is a hard cap to the amount of HP like HPS that
48:23
can go out. And that hard cap is your team's
48:27
damage. Just like you're saying Manny
48:28
right? So a team that takes a lot of
48:30
damage does like like healers can literally put out more heals
48:36
per second. If your team, if nobody is is
48:38
getting in a single mechanic in your in in in a boss fight, your
48:43
healers parses inherently will be lower, right?
48:47
Because, but like they, they, they simply cannot put out as
48:50
many heels per second. There's not there's nothing else
48:53
to heal. They healed it all.
48:55
They're up to 100. We had a like one reason that I
48:58
started learning how to do some DPS on my priest is because on
49:02
my team we have a few like absolute rock star healers.
49:06
And to be fair, first of all, if anyone on my team is listening,
49:08
you're old rock stars. I love you all.
49:09
I'm so proud of you all. You're incredible and I love
49:10
you. But we had some people who were
49:12
burning right, like hitting like parses in the 90s frequently.
49:17
And what that meant is that my little, you know, mid level
49:21
healer, but was getting grey parses, not because my skill
49:25
significantly dropped, but because the amount of the damage
49:28
that existed in the raid was going down, right.
49:31
The really incredible healers meant that I literally did not
49:34
have heals to heal. They, they, they were gone.
49:36
They were, the damage is 0. It's OK.
49:39
Like I, I had to learn to do something else.
49:42
So yes, I think with in, in, in terms of DPSI think I, I do hear
49:46
you. I think that like the risk,
49:48
especially of people who primarily pug just refusing to
49:51
do mechanics because they want to maximize their DPSI think
49:53
that's a a big danger. But I do actually really agree.
49:56
I think the people who don't understand healing and don't
49:58
understand healing parses or just the fact that you have a
50:01
limited amount of information and now you have a number and
50:03
it's hard not to follow the number.
50:04
Even if you tell yourself that you're too, like you understand
50:08
the nuance behind the number. I think that that would be
50:11
really damaging to healing pugs. Absolutely.
50:14
And the problem is that not everybody who is looking at that
50:20
add on with that number is going to understand many of these
50:24
little intricacies. And I think that the people who
50:27
had taken the time to go, I'm gonna go to their logs, there is
50:32
a small subsection of players who would do that.
50:35
And of those players, there was a meaningful subsection of that
50:41
subsection that would actually take the time and look at your
50:44
parts and be like, this guy better not be fluffing the logs
50:47
or blah, blah, blah. And would actually know that
50:50
because if you're on Warcraft logs at that level, I think
50:53
you're there is a better chance that you are going to be looking
50:59
at these filtered information than somebody who's grabbing it
51:03
from an add on. They're not going to then take
51:05
the time to look for a filtered information because I don't
51:07
believe this add on even provides that option.
51:10
And if it doesn't, then you're already going to logs and and
51:14
therefore, what is this serving a newer audience that may not
51:18
use it in the proper way? But I do want to say before we
51:21
go any further, Arcon, they are not part of Wowhead.
51:30
But what what I'm remembering is that they used to be, you know,
51:34
Warcraft logs, FF logs, ESO logs, they all went under the
51:37
same name and that's when they and they merged together under
51:41
the Archon name. So the the way the add on is
51:44
functioning now, if you're a Warcraft Logs Patreon
51:48
subscriber, you are a premium member.
51:52
It might not be Patreon anymore. You you get to see the full
51:56
breakdown. Like you see the the Vexy score,
51:58
you see the Carlton O'Connor score for each player, but if
52:01
you're not a subscriber, you just see their average score for
52:05
the raid. So you don't get the individual
52:07
boss breakdown. I do have a question though.
52:10
This is for the listeners. I want you guys to and you too
52:12
as well, although I think I know what you guys are going to say.
52:15
But for the listeners, I want you to be really, truly honest
52:18
with yourself. If you are putting together a
52:22
pug with the intent of clearing the raid, are you not just a
52:26
little bit grateful that now you have some measure of the skill
52:31
of the people you're inviting instead of the complete random
52:34
chance from before? Yeah, I think that the one thing
52:40
that I do want to say is I don't have an issue with Arcon for
52:43
this. I think there was never a world
52:45
where this wasn't going to come out like eventually there was
52:48
going to be a way to look at and like I don't like it.
52:51
But again, most of the reason that I don't like this and I
52:53
don't like IO score and I don't like like it's just because I
52:56
think that bad people should be able to play the game too.
53:00
And that's not a good argument. And I under like as a as a raid
53:04
leader, obviously I would like good people when I'm pugging.
53:07
I just as a it's a bad, I am protective of bad players.
53:11
And that's a terrible argument to not have a feature.
53:14
And I get that, especially in a in a MMO.
53:17
So like objectively that is not a feasible argument to keep
53:21
things like this from coming along.
53:24
But yeah, yeah, it's like, I can argue about how it's harmful to
53:28
the community as a whole, but you, yeah, people are going to
53:33
want information when they're making pugs.
53:35
And especially, you know, I would also love if we could have
53:37
a nice score, although I immediately understand why that
53:40
would be complicated. But alas, they don't.
53:45
We haven't devolved into social. Would we call it?
53:50
Would we call it Nico or Kindo? I don't.
53:53
I know. What's your Kindo score, Lex?
53:57
You're a 99, by the way, and Kindo Manny's a solid.
54:00
Manny's a solid 96 1/2. No, Manny, he's so much nicer
54:04
than. Me Manny is giving me a look
54:06
right now every time. I suggest that this add on might
54:08
be OK I think. They're trying social scores
54:15
over in China. I don't think that's going too
54:17
well. Going to be clear, not not a
54:19
fan, not I I don't I I understand why a kind score
54:23
would actually be really problematic and would probably
54:26
lead to more toxicity. Oh no, I don't.
54:29
I think in the video game it works out wonderful.
54:31
I think that you maintain a certain average and you for your
54:35
kind score and that allows you a bunch of extra tenders and
54:38
suddenly everybody's sucking my ass.
54:40
Anyways, we will have to push through this raid and I'm glad
54:48
that. This, yeah.
54:50
Manny, what's the question? Again, if if if you're a raid
54:54
lead pugging people, are you not a little grateful that this
54:59
exists? So I'm part of the dungeon Dojo.
55:04
I actively look for people who want to learn, not people who
55:08
are already having learned the dungeon or the raid.
55:13
Like I would rather go do a mythic 0 and struggle through
55:18
with somebody so that they learn it, then get caked walked
55:22
through a 12 or get carried through a 15.
55:24
I've never done a 15. I am just starting to time 10s.
55:28
I don't care to like run and get like 10 done in like 18 minutes
55:34
flat and get my portal and be like, yeah, like I know people
55:37
want the easiest path forward. That's why this this exists.
55:42
It's like, oh, now I don't have to to type a, a name into
55:47
Warcraft logs. It can just be thrown right in
55:50
front of me. But I know what the cost of that
55:53
is. I know what raid Finder did in
55:57
terms of community. I know what LFG did in terms of
56:00
community. I understand that there's a very
56:02
real cost for this, even if the convenience factor makes the
56:07
people say like, yeah, I'll take the the offshoot used to be that
56:10
like I would have terrible dungeons back in the Barrens
56:15
coming from the crossroads, getting every everybody together
56:18
so we could, we could walk uphill both ways to go get
56:22
through that dungeon, right. But I love that.
56:25
I love to like finding friends and stuff and and like one
56:29
person going to me and be like, dude, why are you wearing that?
56:32
I'm like, because it matches. It's like it's all graze.
56:35
The stats suck. Oh, right.
56:38
I like I love that introduction. I loved when Warcraft was more
56:43
of a social game. And I get that people want to
56:46
find a way to not even have to like, acknowledge the existence
56:50
of people and look at a number, but it's going to suffer.
56:54
Right. And like, yeah, maybe you'll get
56:57
the loot that much faster because you got EP Mcsween up on
57:01
your raid. I've done a dungeon with him,
57:04
he's actually pretty good at mechanics.
57:06
He's a blowhard, we don't need him.
57:09
But you lose something in it, right?
57:12
That's it. That's my answer to it.
57:14
OK, that's a good answer. I like that.
57:17
But last thing I want to talk about is, yeah, we are four
57:22
weeks in, I completed my rank 20 of Undermine Rep, but we are now
57:34
just getting to level. I think it's six in the raid
57:40
cash. I'm sure some people have been
57:42
doing full Claire's and may have gone further than me.
57:45
Did I full Claire weak one? I can't recall.
57:48
Anyways, yeah, there's a we are now one week away from getting
57:54
6% damage amp, but this week we got what I think is the best
57:59
thing ever, which is the cartel jumper cables.
58:03
Have you guys jumped into the raid and used this?
58:07
I haven't used it yet, but we did talk about it last night as
58:10
we death skipped past all of the ridiculous amounts of trash to
58:14
one armed bandit. But we had a that.
58:16
Skip is glorious. Yeah, it's insane.
58:19
I there's so much trash in this raid.
58:21
It is. I'm I'm enjoying the trash,
58:23
though. I like other than Oh my God, the
58:25
ones that like run me over the road.
58:27
I just other than them. I'm OK with it because we hunt
58:30
down like the rares because you get extra Rep from them.
58:33
Yeah, the boes of being kind of nice and lucrative.
58:38
So I'm not tired of the trash. Do you feel like the season has
58:42
just like ended so quickly? Well, no, we we.
58:48
For me, it ends when we get CE. So it hasn't we're we're Sean
58:52
and. Mandy and I have AOT 3 already.
58:56
I'm Sean and Mandy, and I feel like we've reached the end of
59:00
the season already. I do feel like I do feel like
59:03
the season is moving at a faster pace than last season, but it's
59:07
because they made Mythic Plus so easy and that's not a complaint.
59:12
Faster if you're listening. I love it.
59:14
But the plus should be easy. I want to log in.
59:16
I'm the guy man to talk to, but I want to log in.
59:18
I want to do my a 10s. I wanted to take 18 minutes and
59:21
then I want to go bow my dad snuggle.
59:24
Your puppy. Yeah, so I can be.
59:26
I'm going to go sluggle my puppy.
59:28
It does feel like the season has gone by fast.
59:30
I feel. I actually felt this a lot last
59:32
season 2 and I felt that every season since Sepulchre and maybe
59:38
it's just because I'm getting older and that's how time works,
59:41
but I feel. Like been a shift in
59:43
dragonflight so sepulchre sounds like the right time that it.
59:46
Happened yeah it feels like every season is getting just
59:48
shorter and shorter like we're going to have 11 point 1.5 in 26
59:55
days so that's crazy to me did. They do the official
1:00:00
announcement. They didn't, but it's everybody
1:00:03
on the planet. Everybody's I know, everybody's
1:00:04
been guessing at it. Yeah, I don't it's like the
1:00:09
least the worst kept secret. Once Tower Lee or Max says it,
1:00:11
you can lock it in because for some reason Blizzard just keeps
1:00:15
telling them stuff. Then they just keep telling us.
1:00:20
Yeah, so it's it does feel like it's going fast.
1:00:24
Now what? You have to start pulling the
1:00:26
trash in that rate. Oh my God, there's a lot of
1:00:27
trash in that rate. I am also I'm glad that you're
1:00:32
having fun with it, Manny. We at I might have complained
1:00:36
about this on this podcast already.
1:00:37
I'm trying to remember why I remember talking about this
1:00:39
verbally. But we at Timbermod Tavern are
1:00:43
traumatized by the trash because we always mostly me, but we do
1:00:48
have a tendency to like have death pulls.
1:00:50
We're like, we're like we have to call people back to escort
1:00:54
the fools, namely me, nobody else.
1:00:56
Everyone else is sorry, the fool.
1:00:57
The one fool is me. Nobody else has ever had a had a
1:01:00
trash pull. Don't worry, don't think about
1:01:02
it. But we have like like escort
1:01:04
people to the next boss because we can't get through without
1:01:07
pulling trash. So I'm traumatized by this.
1:01:10
This tears trash. We've had that too, especially
1:01:13
once you're you're done with bunk junker and it's like, oh
1:01:17
wait, we can't go directly to the next boss.
1:01:19
You have to go through six month junker.
1:01:21
Cuz we came in one way and then out the other.
1:01:23
Which meant that like if you try and make a direct bull, you're
1:01:25
gonna bring everybody to us. And yeah, there was like a
1:01:29
couple of times where it's like, OK, I'm gonna die in front of
1:01:33
the boss so that you guys don't get into combat and then you can
1:01:35
res me. So it's not just you.
1:01:37
You're not the only fool. I'm a fool too, OK?
1:01:40
I can't figure out raid maps. I don't know what's wrong with
1:01:43
my brain that makes it so I can never get my bearings in a raid.
1:01:47
But the number of times this has been happening since the
1:01:50
Denathrius raid where I just like people like everyone else
1:01:54
is going and it's a very normal direction and there should be no
1:01:57
way for me to get lost. And I'm over in like God damn
1:02:00
Narnia trying to figure out how to get back into World of
1:02:03
Warcraft. Like I cannot handle it.
1:02:06
I mean Narnia was the 5th covenant so I get it.
1:02:11
I I genuinely think that the raids because you can go from
1:02:16
like different boss to different boss.
1:02:18
It's not a straight line like it used to be.
1:02:19
Nobody got lost in like Amir Dressil.
1:02:22
It was like, go right, go left, go straight, we're good.
1:02:27
This is a full on city map that they have converted into a raid.
1:02:33
And yes, you can go down the wrong St., end up down the wrong
1:02:37
alley, and then suddenly it's like, give me your wings, Demon
1:02:43
Hunter, and you're gonna have to start from the get go again.
1:02:46
Listen, just give me Bo ES for it, give me a BOE chance for it,
1:02:50
make it so that I get to say in my Guild child like ha ha.
1:02:53
Sorry guys, I just want us to get a chance for more Bo ES.
1:02:56
Like you can that's what they're the mini bosses are some.
1:02:58
People are definitely the mini bosses do it, but I want the
1:03:01
regular trash to do it so I don't feel like a freaking idiot
1:03:03
when I pull the regular trash. Can regular trash drop it?
1:03:07
I think it's no, it's just the yeah, just the mini bosses.
1:03:11
OK, Yeah, sorry, sorry, Lex. I will say though, earlier we
1:03:16
did get that silver card, so when you're going back to the
1:03:20
Glaggio, you can just use that and teleport right back.
1:03:23
That might be a good way. We use that a lot.
1:03:26
OK, my team only started using it this week.
1:03:30
A silver card from Rick Reverb. So then I can go to six bunk
1:03:33
junker with less distance and then I just kill myself after
1:03:36
Sprocket monger and I think because I have to do the one
1:03:41
abandoned trash. So you, you've been, you've been
1:03:44
maxed, it is what you're saying. Yeah.
1:03:47
And then we. Just like I don't even want to
1:03:48
walk because you're not going to get on the fast mount too,
1:03:50
right? You're on.
1:03:51
Slow down. No, yeah, I don't use the car.
1:03:53
I don't hate the car anymore. I don't remember if I gave that
1:03:55
update. I did shipping and handling and
1:03:56
made me not hate the car. And I actually kind of enjoy
1:03:59
shipping and handling when it gives me a little arrow and says
1:04:01
hey, go here and do a thing. But I don't use it on side of
1:04:04
that. I'm really, in all honesty, I'm
1:04:06
only in the Undermine to go from the teleporter to the raid.
1:04:09
And then I heard back, that's it.
1:04:11
Sometimes I go and do the delve that's there.
1:04:14
I don't do I, I do nothing else in Undermine but.
1:04:19
But yeah, I, I am, I am of the opinion that the season's gone
1:04:27
by incredibly fast, so I am looking forward to 11 point 1.5.
1:04:32
So let's see what happens. We're going to get that pretty
1:04:35
soon and we should try and talk about that next episode,
1:04:38
assuming there's no big news. But until next time guys, may
1:04:42
all your hits be crits.