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Ally Kingi: Teacher aide and Union Member on the future of a pay equity deal for teacher aides may fizzle out under newly introduced Government legislation · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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  Speaker 1: Government's cracking down on pay equity deals. It says they've
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  Speaker 1: gotten out of control. They've gone beyond what was originally
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  Speaker 1: intended by Parliament. Apples are being compared with oranges. It's
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  Speaker 1: not working past it. Second reading these changes last night
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  Speaker 1: all under urgency. Third reading today, teacher aides are interesting.
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  Speaker 1: They are upset because they did a deal in twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 1: They had a payout and it had a clause saying
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  Speaker 1: there was a review to happen within three years. Now
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  Speaker 1: that review will no longer go ahead. Alie Kingy is
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  Speaker 1: with the NZDI Union with me this morning.
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  Speaker 2: Eli, Good morning, mor Dina Ryan, how are you doing good?
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  Speaker 1: Thank you? Just quickly explain for us. This is not
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  Speaker 1: male male teacherrades getting paid more than female teacher ades.
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  Speaker 1: This is about comparing a female dominated in profession with
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  Speaker 1: male dominated ones.
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  Speaker 2: Right, that's right, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: And you guys right now, because you obviously had a
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  Speaker 1: settlement in twenty twenty, it has anything changed. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: how do you know your or any worse off or
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  Speaker 1: more discriminated against now than you were then.
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  Speaker 2: We're deliberately built into into pay equity that there will
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  Speaker 2: be a review because we didn't want to just win.
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  Speaker 2: Have the wen Ya. We've finally equalized and now that's
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  Speaker 2: going to be built in. It ended up being there's
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  Speaker 2: there's a difference again between the male dominated industries that
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  Speaker 2: we were compared against the government said they've done quiet
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  Speaker 2: review and there isn't and we've had a look at
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  Speaker 2: it and we've seen this up to a seventeen percent discrepancy.
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  Speaker 1: Seventeen percent, So you reconez, since you did the deal
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  Speaker 1: three years four years ago. Well what are we now
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  Speaker 1: five years ago that the number has crept to seventeen percent? Again,
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  Speaker 1: that's what it's looking like here. How do you calculate that?
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  Speaker 1: Who are you comparing teacherades too?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the difficulty with what happened yesterday is it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: they've compared these people to these people and it's completely outrageous.
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  Speaker 2: It's not because when we originally did pay equity, we
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  Speaker 2: compared it line by line by line against what the
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  Speaker 2: male dominated comparators were doing with our knowledge, skills and responsibilities.
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  Speaker 1: But you compared teacher rades, did you not to civil engineers?
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  Speaker 2: No? No, we didn't at all. I'm not sure where
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  Speaker 2: you got that information from. We ended up being mostly
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  Speaker 2: compared to correction stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Right, who wear body vests and carry tasers. I mean
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  Speaker 1: that they are very different jobs, are they not.
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  Speaker 2: No, we looked at things like caring for vulnerable people,
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  Speaker 2: about the special needs that it took to care for
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  Speaker 2: vulnerable people, about the risks to our own selves and
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  Speaker 2: our work places. But the run of it was I'm
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  Speaker 2: not sure we got the civil engineers information from that
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  Speaker 2: might be from them.
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  Speaker 1: It was from the Ministry of Education website formed part
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  Speaker 1: of your negotiations. That's cool.
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  Speaker 2: No, it was the correction.
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  Speaker 1: To the corrections officers. I mean, you say you faced
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  Speaker 1: a similar a similar amount of danger. But if you're
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  Speaker 1: dealing with I don't know, Brenton Tarrant versus a child,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's different, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, none of that is what would have come
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  Speaker 2: from someone who had a full understanding of how pay
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  Speaker 2: equity works.
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  Speaker 1: But no, no, I'm going off what you just told me.
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  Speaker 1: You said you compared safety between corrections offices and teacher ades.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, that's not what I'm saying. What's being put
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  Speaker 2: forth by the government is that, Oh, this thing compared
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  Speaker 2: to that thing doesn't make any sense. Whatsoever. But what
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  Speaker 2: we did was develop a really strong understanding of the
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  Speaker 2: general areas of responsibility between the two groups. And we again,
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  Speaker 2: as I said, we did it line by line of
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  Speaker 2: what the responsibilities are. So what's being said now by
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  Speaker 2: the government is a very like that's what that is,
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  Speaker 2: and it's not it's not at all.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Ellie, I appreciate you coming on the
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  Speaker 1: program this morning. Elie Kingy, teacher aide and MZDI support
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  Speaker 1: staff negotiations team leader with.
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