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People Die Every Day · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 7: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 8: I'm Lucy.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Beau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm also homeless, by the way.
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  Speaker 7: Anyway, that sadness aside, let's move on to new sad things, like.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 8: This is a ploy to live in the psych wall area.
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  Speaker 2: That could be right.
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  Speaker 7: Anyway, I don't know. I was thinking the same thing,
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  Speaker 7: and you kind of mentioned it a minute ago, Beau.
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  Speaker 7: It kind of got blown out of proportion, really. I
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  Speaker 7: feel like, yeah, a lot of people died, but I
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  Speaker 7: think it changed my perspective having done this several years
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  Speaker 7: in a row. I'm like, a lot of people die
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  Speaker 7: every year, guys. There were a few large, notable ones
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  Speaker 7: along the way, but a lot of people die. Every day,
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  Speaker 7: I'm pretty sure people die.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's the first time pop culture's noticed
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  Speaker 2: it either, because South Park, six or seven years ago,
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  Speaker 2: they did an episode that made fun of the fact
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  Speaker 2: that a lot of people had died. I can't remember
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  Speaker 2: the premise of it, but I remember that Zelda Rubinstein,
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  Speaker 2: who had died that year, she was trapped on this
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  Speaker 2: plane with all the other dead celebrities, and And at
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  Speaker 2: one point in time, just Stan broke the fourth wall
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  Speaker 2: and screamed at the camera and just goes, yeah, we
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  Speaker 2: get the joke. A lot of people died this year.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just move on.
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  Speaker 7: I need to find that episode is what you're telling me.
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  Speaker 7: It sounds kind of, well, the fact that South Park
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  Speaker 7: still pulls in these interesting ideas is pretty impressive this.
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  Speaker 6: Many years in, so.
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  Speaker 9: I think it was just the one-two punch, the Bowie prince.
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  Speaker 9: And I think it was people before their time and
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  Speaker 9: people that were so iconic and nobody saw coming. And
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  Speaker 9: then the fact that after dying for 40 years, Abe
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  Speaker 9: Vigoda actually died. I think it was a lot of that.
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  Speaker 7: Wait, he's dead?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah. Really, really this time.
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  Speaker 7: I'm going to start spreading the rumor that he's actually
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  Speaker 7: still alive. Just to counterbalance his life.
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  Speaker 2: And I think part of it, too, is as you
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  Speaker 2: just get this perpetual media coverage of every horrendous thing
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  Speaker 2: going on in the world. people turn more and more,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like, back to their childhood, be it, you know,
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  Speaker 2: their young years, their teenage years, college years, what have you,
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  Speaker 2: into the movies and the music that sort of like
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  Speaker 2: inspired them. And so when, you know, you've had a
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  Speaker 2: stressful day at work and you maybe go to turn
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  Speaker 2: on your David Bowie album that you listen to all
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  Speaker 2: the time as a teenager, or you're like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I can't deal with, you know, the stress of you know,
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  Speaker 2: all the news I'm going to throw in Star Wars.
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  Speaker 2: Now suddenly it's as if that escape, you know, it
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  Speaker 2: too has been hit with that reality of loss.
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  Speaker 7: In a way we get too precious about that. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: I say that just in general with people when they
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  Speaker 7: complain about, oh, you remade something, you ruined it for me.
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  Speaker 7: I'm like, it's kind of that same thing. I'm like,
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  Speaker 7: this is, Life, I mean, that's going to happen. You
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  Speaker 7: kind of have to deal with that. And people, I
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  Speaker 7: think we've just gotten, as a society, we've gotten super
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  Speaker 7: spoiled about everything. So it's like we just, it's our
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  Speaker 7: right to bitch about anything that goes wrong with our lives.
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  Speaker 7: Even when it's not personally affecting you, everybody feels like
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  Speaker 7: everything personally affects them now.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that, I think, too, it's when it comes to nostalgia.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, nostalgia is good in doses. But nostalgia, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it very much is like a drug. And if it
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  Speaker 2: is something that you live for, it can be detrimental.
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  Speaker 2: And I feel like the Internet allows us to just
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  Speaker 2: constantly stay a generation like our generation, the three of us,
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  Speaker 2: at least here, maybe fourth. I don't know if you
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  Speaker 2: just sit back and you shake your head at the
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  Speaker 2: rest of us.
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  Speaker 8: I think you're all idiots.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just the fact that you've got. You know, 30-some-odd-year-old
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  Speaker 2: adults getting excited for new Star Wars sequels and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I don't feel like my dad just working at a
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  Speaker 2: factory has those sort of views. So, I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: feel like our generation lives for nostalgia more than any
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  Speaker 2: other one has. And I don't know that that's necessarily
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  Speaker 2: a good thing. And I'm not saying you have to
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  Speaker 2: abstain and just have a stance to where you don't
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  Speaker 2: even give a shit about the past whatsoever. But I
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  Speaker 2: think if it's just you are constantly trying to relive
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  Speaker 2: and rebuy your childhood, we become sort of a society
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  Speaker 2: of arrested development, so to speak.
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  Speaker 8: I don't know if I can lay you all on
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  Speaker 8: the psychologist's couch for just a moment.
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  Speaker 2: By all means.
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  Speaker 7: I need it.
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  Speaker 8: When somebody who is in the public eye dies, who
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  Speaker 8: we've followed throughout our lives, it smacks us in the
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  Speaker 8: face with our own mortality these are people who will
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  Speaker 8: live forever on film or in song and then all
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  Speaker 8: of a sudden they're just they're they're ripped from us
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  Speaker 8: we're stolen you know it's i mean i feel like
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  Speaker 8: like i was just saying the guy who invented the
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  Speaker 8: red solo cup college will never be the same you
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  Speaker 8: know for so many people because that is the drinking
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  Speaker 8: device for so many people. I don't, I don't feel
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  Speaker 8: particularly sad about it.
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  Speaker 7: Don't mourn that loss.
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  Speaker 2: And I think, you know, every generation goes through that.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's just, it's worse with ours in the
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  Speaker 2: sense that there is so much media coverage of everyone
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  Speaker 2: who passes because prior to Facebook and the internet, it's
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  Speaker 2: like what people would have relied upon television and newspaper
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  Speaker 2: and how many TV stations and newspapers would have covered
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  Speaker 2: Abe Vigoda's death as much as we love him. The
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  Speaker 2: average person on the street, you go up and you
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  Speaker 2: ask them who Abe Vigoda is, and they're not going
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  Speaker 2: to know.
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  Speaker 6: I think it is.
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  Speaker 7: It's both of those things. I think it is that
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  Speaker 7: that generation kicked in and we became the pop culture generation.
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  Speaker 7: People didn't focus on that stuff to that degree, certainly
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  Speaker 7: not in those numbers before that. There were the outliers,
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  Speaker 7: but for the most part, it wasn't a whole generation,
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  Speaker 7: whereas that whole group were children, latched onto everything as children,
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  Speaker 7: and then never really let it go. So we're already
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  Speaker 7: kind of obsessed with pop culture and then passed it
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  Speaker 7: on to the next. I mean, every generation since then
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  Speaker 7: has been at least as bad. We're a little whinier
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  Speaker 7: about it.
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  Speaker 2: We're a generation, yeah, that is very much that pop
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  Speaker 2: culture geekdom. I mean, just look at the fact that
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  Speaker 2: you can go into a Target and for the last
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  Speaker 2: decade or When would you ever have gone into a
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  Speaker 2: Target and not found a Star Wars t-shirt? Ever since
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  Speaker 2: the prequels, that merchandise has been out there. And now,
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  Speaker 2: what's the last time you could go to any major
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  Speaker 2: retailer and not find Doctor Who merchandise? I mean, it's,
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  Speaker 2: you know, when we were growing up, you know, you
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  Speaker 2: were sort of quiet about your comic book fandom and
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  Speaker 2: how much you like Star Wars.
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  Speaker 7: It was difficult, too. I think back, again, being the
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  Speaker 7: geek I am and how many dorky shirts, speaking of shirts,
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  Speaker 7: I had, you know how many I freaking mail-ordered? Because
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  Speaker 7: there was no place. You couldn't just go into a
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  Speaker 7: store and be a geek and buy something. Maybe your
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  Speaker 7: town had a local comic book shop. That was your
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  Speaker 7: only shot at maybe you could get a dorky t-shirt there,
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  Speaker 7: but for the most part, you just didn't find that
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  Speaker 7: level of geeky stuff in your area unless.
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  Speaker 8: Daryl from The Walking Dead right there on my chest.
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  Speaker 7: Speaking of geeks. But that's what I'm saying. Living the dream.
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  Speaker 7: It is a different state of life now. Like, it
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  Speaker 7: is one of those, like, it was just difficult to
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  Speaker 7: be a dork. And I think that's why now it's
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  Speaker 7: just a given. Like, kids that I'm, again, watching the
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  Speaker 7: little kids that are around me growing up, I'm like,
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  Speaker 7: it's just in their DNA now. Like, they're handed an
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  Speaker 7: iPad as soon as they can hold one. And they're
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  Speaker 7: immediately on the internet, and they're already watching YouTube videos
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  Speaker 7: from around the world. And they're just immersed in culture
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  Speaker 7: in general, specifically pop culture, from the womb now. So
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  Speaker 7: it's changing drastically.
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  Speaker 2: I'm content, though, in the fact that as a 10-year-old,
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  Speaker 2: 11-year-old kid, I became a huge fan of the Dick
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  Speaker 2: Tracy comic strip after the movie. And now 25 some
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  Speaker 2: odd years after the movie, I still don't know of
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  Speaker 2: anyone in my city that is a fan of the
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  Speaker 2: Dick Tracy comic strip.
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  Speaker 7: That's what the internet is for. Somewhere out there, there's groups.
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  Speaker 2: Trust me, I look on the internet. They are incredibly
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  Speaker 2: few and far between, at least in my age group.
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  Speaker 2: There are those that grew up with the strip.
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  Speaker 7: From weirdo in Stalingrad.
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  Speaker 9: Come on.
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  Speaker 7: Somewhere out there there's a fan base of weird stuff
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  Speaker 7: waiting for you. That's what the internet really does provide us.
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  Speaker 7: That little window to the rest of the people.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I'm always throwing interview citations.
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  Speaker 8: That's a great way to throw an election.
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  Speaker 7: I was leaning towards porn. Whatever you want to use
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  Speaker 7: it for. Kitty videos and porn is what I thought.
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  Speaker 2: I just love throwing interviews with Bob Kane friends to
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  Speaker 2: where they love Batman. I'm like, Well, look at this
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  Speaker 2: quote to where Bob Kane says he directly modeled his
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  Speaker 2: rogues gallery after Dick Tracy villains. And you're like, yeah, well,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, here, let me show you these characters I've
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  Speaker 2: got tattooed on my arm. Here's one to where like
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  Speaker 2: half of his face was melted by acid. Oh, two face? No,
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  Speaker 2: it's half and half. And look, here's a villain up
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  Speaker 2: over here to where he would kill people and laugh
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  Speaker 2: while doing it. Joker? No, that's laughing. It's just, but.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I guess just Batman is the popular one.
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  Speaker 7: Bob King kind of stole a lot of Batman. So
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  Speaker 7: the stories go now, like, we.
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  Speaker 8: Should kill him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we should.
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  Speaker 7: We missed that window, didn't we? Speaking of dead people. But.
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  Speaker 2: Segway back to.
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  Speaker 7: Not our spoiled culture, but dead people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just go back and start talking about Batman
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  Speaker 2: and Robin, because that killed a lot of careers.
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  Speaker 7: Damn it, poor Tommy Lee Jones. All right, so.
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  Speaker 8: Delicious Silverstone.
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  Speaker 2: It really did.
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  Speaker 8: Chris O'Donnell.
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  Speaker 7: No, he's got a weekly show now. That guy can
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  Speaker 7: retire on that.
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  Speaker 2: That's the place to be.
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  Speaker 7: It is, really, and those are hard to come by now.
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  Speaker 7: There is no network like it was even in the 90s.
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  Speaker 7: There's no network CV jobs, but if you can get them,
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  Speaker 7: the handful that are still out there, you still don't
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  Speaker 7: get paid a fraction what you used to, but That's
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  Speaker 7: the only secure jobs left in the industry now is boring,
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  Speaker 7: dead people, cop shows, like a handful of sitcoms that
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  Speaker 7: still survive.
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  Speaker 2: George Clooney survived. Look at everyone else's careers, how they
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  Speaker 2: sort of trickled off. But George Clooney just no matter what.
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  Speaker 7: I think the difference is Clooney never really committed. Like
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  Speaker 7: you watch his performance and even he's like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know why I'm here. He's a decent
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  Speaker 2: Bruce Wayne.
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  Speaker 8: This is a paycheck.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: But, like, the other ones really kind of felt like
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  Speaker 7: Chris O'Donnell was in. Like, he was freaking robbing.
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  Speaker 2: Schwarzenegger was.
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  Speaker 10: Let's go.
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  Speaker 8: Here's my impression of Chris O'Donnell's career. Tell that to
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  Speaker 8: LL Cool J.
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  Speaker 7: So, where would we like to begin?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wait.
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  Speaker 8: He's richer than I am. That's right.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 8: Sorry. Take it all back.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if we left ourselves with a good
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  Speaker 2: segue on that.
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  Speaker 7: When he died, he was a friend of mine.
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  Speaker 2: Those are people who.
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  Speaker 1: Died, died.
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  Speaker 8: Let's start at the end of the alphabet with Velo Sigma. Alright.
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  Speaker 7: I'm leaving those to you. Any you name, you have
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  Speaker 7: to take.
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  Speaker 8: The ball and run with it. Famed cinematographer.
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  Speaker 1: Alright.
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  Speaker 8: Probably best known by at least the general populace for
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  Speaker 8: shooting close encounters of their kind. Which was just a
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  Speaker 8: pivotal film for sci-fi. Not only was it a you know,
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  Speaker 8: just a benchmark for Spielberg. But, I mean, Richard Dreyfuss
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  Speaker 8: really made a name for himself in that film. And
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  Speaker 8: it also, in my opinion, at least the way that
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  Speaker 8: I look at film, Close Encounters opened my eyes to Anamorphic.
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  Speaker 8: And Anamorphic had been used for, you know, years and years.
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  Speaker 8: But Close Encounters was that first film where I looked
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  Speaker 8: at it and went, wow, something's different about what this
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  Speaker 8: guy is doing. And he was just an incredible, incredible cinematographer. Deliverance.
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  Speaker 8: Let's see here. What else did he do? I am
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  Speaker 8: cheating by looking at this. I do know this guy's career,
• 14:45
  Speaker 8: but I am cheating. Here's one. 1964. The Incredibly Strange
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  Speaker 8: Creatures Who Stopped Living and Became Mixed-Up Zombies.
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  Speaker 7: I've made note of that title in the past. I
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  Speaker 7: don't think I've watched it in its entirety.
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  Speaker 2: I've only seen it in Mystery Science Theater 2004.
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  Speaker 7: As all things should be viewed.
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  Speaker 9: Some things can only be viewed.
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  Speaker 8: That's right. But an incredible loss. For the film world.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you're going to talk cinematographers and link
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  Speaker 2: to Spielberg's career, Douglas Slocum passed away this year, too.
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  Speaker 2: He was actually one where, in all honesty, I feel
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  Speaker 2: bad in saying I was surprised that he was still alive.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, he was 103. You should
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  Speaker 2: probably be surprised. But he was one where, as I
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  Speaker 2: was reading a little bit more about him today, just
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  Speaker 2: kind of reading about his personal life, had a really
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  Speaker 2: interesting background before he got into film because one of his, well,
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  Speaker 2: I should say what kind of got him into film,
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: he was roped in to film some footage of the
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  Speaker 2: early days of the rise of the Nazis and was
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  Speaker 2: sent to film a Joseph Goebbels rally as well as
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  Speaker 2: he was filming burning of synagogues in Warsaw. He was
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  Speaker 2: actually in Warsaw when the blitzkrieg occurred when hitler invaded
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  Speaker 2: and so he and um a fellow who was like
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  Speaker 2: the producer on this documentary that he was shooting um
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  Speaker 2: they were both on this train that was headed out
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  Speaker 2: of um poland when it got attacked by an air
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  Speaker 2: raid just like shot full of bullets and then the
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  Speaker 2: train just stopped and they were hiding underneath the cars
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  Speaker 2: waiting for a clearing while they're watching people running out
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  Speaker 2: into the fields just getting shot down And somehow he
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  Speaker 2: and the two of them managed to go to some
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  Speaker 2: Polish farm and with what money they had, buy a
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  Speaker 2: horse and cart and managed to get the film and
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  Speaker 2: all that all the way back across Europe to, I
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  Speaker 2: think it was Paris, was where they were able to
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  Speaker 2: finally get back to England. And I was like, how
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  Speaker 2: cool of that is that just for a start to
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  Speaker 2: a film?
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  Speaker 7: That's a movie now, right? Why is someone not making this?
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  Speaker 8: God, and I complain about the 10 minutes that it
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  Speaker 8: takes me to get to my office.
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  Speaker 7: And you're not fighting Nazis.
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  Speaker 8: And I'm not fighting Nazi. Although I guess, you know,
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  Speaker 8: filming Nazi rallies, it's.
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  Speaker 11: A Nazi equivalent of corporate films, you know, but you know, he,
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  Speaker 11: he did all the, um, healing studios films with, um,
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  Speaker 11: Alec Guinness, kind hearts and coronets, um, the, um, the
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  Speaker 11: lavender Hill mob, uh, the man in the white suit.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember if he did lady killers too, but, um,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if we ever talked about Kind Hearts
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  Speaker 2: and Coronets on here before.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 2: It's the only movie where you get to see Alec
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  Speaker 2: Guinness in drag. I'm not sure if you're familiar with him.
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  Speaker 7: Unless you get to his home movies.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Alec Guinness plays... Stop recording. We're going to go
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  Speaker 2: look now. He plays, I think it's eight different roles.
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  Speaker 2: You have Dennis Price, I think is the name of
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  Speaker 2: the actor, who's playing this sort of charismatic... He's trying
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  Speaker 2: to step up. the political ladder to it's I can't
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  Speaker 2: remember like what if this is set in England in
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: some sort of fictitious world but basically he's bumping off
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: members of royalty so that way he can kind of
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: rise to the throne and they're all and they're all
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: related so Alec Guinness is playing these multiple roles and
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: it's just funny to see him in just like different
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: types of makeup looking different but from a cinematographer's point
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: of view what was interesting is they wanted to do
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: a trick shot to where six of Alec Guinness' characters
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: are all on screen at the same time. And this was,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: I think, like 1948, 1949. So, you know, they couldn't just,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: you know, composite everything digitally. So he just figured a
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: way to split the screen, like just blocking certain parts
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: of the lens and just do multiple exposures to the film.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: But that meant to successfully do it since it would
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: take like I think it was five or six days.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: They had to leave the camera stationary completely or else
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: everything wouldn't line up. And he was so protective of it.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Apparently he slept like he lived like he lived at
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: the studio just to get that shot. Like he slept
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: next to the camera because he was afraid somebody would
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: touch it if he left it unattended. And he was
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: bound and determined just to get that shot.
• 19:30
  Speaker 8: That would suck if you're like a really restless sleeper.
• 19:33
  Speaker 8: Just start violating.
• 19:34
  Speaker 7: Just Jimmy Lanes.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Going back to Spielberg, apparently Slocum did a little bit
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: of second unit stuff with Close Encounters, and that's where
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Spielberg got to know him. and that's ultimately um slocum
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: did all three of the indiana jones films right um
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: and indiana jones and the last crusade was his last
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: film and apparently he had been suffering um degeneration of
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: his vision throughout most of the 1980s to the point
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: to where um By the time that he retired, he
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: basically retired because he was getting to the point to
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: where he couldn't see. And for like the last decade
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: of his life, he was completely blind, which is a
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: really sad fate for such a prolific cinematographer.
• 20:18
  Speaker 8: I would say for any cinematographer. Even hacks like me
• 20:24
  Speaker 8: to go blind.
• 20:25
  Speaker 7: Try to keep your eyes.
• 20:26
  Speaker 8: I can't do anything else.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Once I delved into his past a little bit, I
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: was like, what a fascinating life this guy had.
• 20:38
  Speaker 7: Especially being that it all still centers around his love
• 20:41
  Speaker 7: for that art form. It'd be different if he were
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: just trying to escape and get back out of Nazi occupation.
• 20:49
  Speaker 7: But the fact that he's also carrying these film canisters,
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: he didn't just ditch them, he's still.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: The artist through and through.
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: He's like, nope, seeing this project through and dragging them
• 20:58
  Speaker 7: back across the Wastelands of Europe at that point. Dodgy Nazis.
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: That's a hell of an impressive story for an artist.
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: And someone who is equally as important and struggled really
• 21:12
  Speaker 8: just as much for their art was wrestler Chyna.
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: Who I visually saw about three or four weeks before.
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: Maybe not even that, but it might have just been
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: two weeks.
• 21:24
  Speaker 8: So you killed Chyna. I.
• 21:28
  Speaker 7: I discussed that with Mick Garris, who was sitting next
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: to her. Because we saw each other like a month later.
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: And I was like, actually, I think he brought it up.
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: Because he had become friends with her. He was at
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: the next table at one of these conventions. And they
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: just kind of talked the whole time and hung out.
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: And they were like, oh, I have to go. We'll
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: get together. Because they both still lived in LA. So
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: they're like, we'll get together next time we get back.
• 21:50
  Speaker 7: And they texted each other the next couple of weeks.
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: And then he said, I texted her, hey, let's get
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: together and have coffee. And I didn't hear back from her.
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: And then I saw the news. So he's like, I
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: talked to her like two days before. It's like it
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: may have been one of the last times she was
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: talking to anybody was him. And I'm like, that's weird.
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: So I thought it was weird that I was that
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: close to her before it happened. But he was texting
• 22:14
  Speaker 7: her the day before or something. So that's really weird.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: The only time I ever had any kind of like
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: close conversation. anything with a celebrity death. It was a
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: few years ago I sent off a vinyl cover to
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Mitch Miller to sign, just because my family, we grew
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: up with the Mitch Miller records, which probably explains a
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: lot of psychological issues with me.
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: We have been waiting.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: And I'm only assuming that he was able to stay alive, just,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: you know, somehow he had managed to get some of
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Frank Sinatra's lifeblood, you know, before they buried him.
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: But.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: It was just, if anything, I was reading and I
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: was like, holy hell, he's still alive and he's like
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: almost 99. And so I looked up his address in
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: New York and sent him this record cover and just explained,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: you know, I was like, you were a staple of
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: my family growing up. And then about two weeks later,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: he came back and it was, you know, autographed to me.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: I was like, how cool is that? And it was like, four,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: five days after I got that record back, he died.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh. I wonder if he was just like,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: somebody finally sent it. I don't know.
• 23:31
  Speaker 8: The price on eBay went up 16 cents.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: I just saw that actually, going to the flea market
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: the day after a celebrity died, and suddenly everything was
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: really expensive. We won't discuss them yet, but. That's immediately
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: how people respond. How can I make money off of this?
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Which is the most recent flea market? Yeah. Oh, then
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: I think I can guess.
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: Then you can guess who it was.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, seeing that it was marked up.
• 23:52
  Speaker 7: Specifically, it was sat out front so everybody would see
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: with what looked like a new sticker on it. I
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: was like, screw you guys.
• 23:58
  Speaker 8: So, you know, Joan Lauer, insert real name, China. You
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: gotta figure, for anyone to make it out of that tiny...
• 24:12
  Speaker 8: arena of that cult of personality that is professional wrestling,
• 24:17
  Speaker 8: which I know very little about. But you've got to wonder,
• 24:20
  Speaker 8: how difficult is it to make that leap into mainstream media?
• 24:24
  Speaker 8: And she did it with a vengeance. I mean, she
• 24:26
  Speaker 8: came out and people took notice and It's rare that
• 24:30
  Speaker 8: you get really successful. It is rare.
• 24:33
  Speaker 7: She did in her own world.
• 24:34
  Speaker 8: In her own world, and she knew how to have
• 24:36
  Speaker 8: the one that really crossed the void.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: True, true. Hulk Hogan did to an extent.
• 24:41
  Speaker 9: I would definitely argue for Hulk Hogan.
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: Kind of, maybe.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Andre the Giant. He would, again, if you could argue.
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: Had he still been around, I would love to see
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: him in just about anything, actually. But yeah, Chyna, she
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: definitely made her impact along the way. But yeah, it's
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: hard to escape from that. It's just, If anything else,
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: it's just hard to be a wrestler because they do not...
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: If we want to talk about people dying, there is
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: not a good lifespan expectancy for professional wrestlers. Look at
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: how many just in the last couple years that I'm like,
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: what were they, maybe 50? You do not make it
• 25:17
  Speaker 7: very long if you're a professional wrestler. And I don't
• 25:20
  Speaker 7: know if it's specifically because of the damage you take
• 25:24
  Speaker 7: during that career, but you just don't have good luck
• 25:27
  Speaker 7: if you're a professional wrestler as far as living.
• 25:31
  Speaker 8: In general.
• 25:31
  Speaker 9: Should we break for you to deal with what just happened?
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: I'm good.
• 25:37
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 25:38
  Speaker 12: I'm good.
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: Are you sure?
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  Speaker 13: Yes.
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: For those of you listening, Bo's chair just took about
• 25:43
  Speaker 8: a 10-foot drop.
• 25:46
  Speaker 9: We almost lost one in 2017.
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 25:49
  Speaker 8: First to go.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: It was a close call.
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: We've survived thus far.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: I think that was the ghost of Frank Sinatra. He's like,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: that's what I'll do for you fondly remembering Mitch Miller.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: I'll give you a scare.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I definitely, when I wanted to hit on was
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: Gene Wilder.
• 32:56
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: I mean, again, gutted. It was one of those, like
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: there were so many others, like I'm looking through the
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  Speaker 7: list and we'd said beforehand, like we don't want to
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: just rattle off a ton of people this time. We're
• 33:06
  Speaker 7: just trying to pick ones that we had a specific reason.
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: And I'm like, that's one of those that like, even
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: if you just go by a few key roles, like
• 33:15
  Speaker 7: some of the most impressive performances ever, like he had
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: an entire career and all these other things that he
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: was doing and, wrote a ton. I don't think I
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: realized how many books he wrote in the latter half
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: of his life, but just, I mean, if you're just
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: going with, with the Mel Brooks stuff, I mean, I
• 33:34
  Speaker 7: more than, I mean, people love him in young Frankenstein.
• 33:36
  Speaker 8: I think he's so good in blazing saddles.
• 33:38
  Speaker 7: It's ridiculous. Like, and he was not supposed to have
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: that role. Like they offered it to so many, like,
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: he's not even like third choice. Like he is way
• 33:47
  Speaker 7: down the list. Things like, I think they said John
• 33:51
  Speaker 7: Wayne they threw it at, Johnny Carson.
• 33:55
  Speaker 8: That's the thing.
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: I cannot imagine that role working with anyone else in there,
• 33:59
  Speaker 7: especially those odd choices. They were just like, I don't know,
• 34:03
  Speaker 7: get a name, a cowboy, whatever. It only works because
• 34:07
  Speaker 7: of his weird version of this guy in this performance.
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: I don't know. That performance alone is enough to make
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: an impact.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: It pairs well with Frisco Kid. Yeah. Those two together.
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: He's the opposite end, I guess.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: He's the cool cowboy in that. But then, I mean, just,
• 34:25
  Speaker 7: I grew up obsessed with Willy Wonka, and, like, that performance, again,
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: if he didn't do Young of Frankenstein, if he didn't
• 34:33
  Speaker 7: do all the, you know, you can get into all
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: the Richard Pryor stuff, like, he's so impactful in many
• 34:38
  Speaker 7: different areas, but just the Willy Wonka performance alone, like,
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: it is so weird and so perfect in its own
• 34:46
  Speaker 7: twisted way. that you can't imagine anyone else doing it
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: and was proven right when we saw someone else try
• 34:54
  Speaker 7: to do it. And I'm like, oh no, this is wrong.
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: Johnny just proved my point. I'm like, I don't hate
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: him personally.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: I have issues with him lately. That's so funny though.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: It's like we remember Charlie and the Chocolate Factory for
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Gene Wilder's performance, but it wasn't centered around him. I mean,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: it was centered around Charlie. And that to me, I
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: remember when I saw the Tim Burton, at that point
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: they called it Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. It's
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: so funny because I remember thinking, okay, Johnny Depp, if
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: they had to remake it, I could see him sort
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: of working. But the film was about Willy Wonka. And
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: to me, it didn't work at that point. I think
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Wilder excelled with that less is more approach. charisma within
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: that film every scene that he was in he just
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: absolutely shined and he's almost like that he's the reward
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: of the chocolate factory he really is the golden ticket
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: yeah and i don't know i feel like just well
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: i feel like that later on you know early on
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: when you had like ed wood and edward scissorhands and
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: stuff like that i feel like you had a really
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: solid with Burton and Depp. But I feel like, really,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: once you got later on, like right around 2000 and on,
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: then anytime the two got together, it just became the
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Johnny Depp show.
• 36:25
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: And it was just about.
• 36:26
  Speaker 7: Filming him doing something.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: His whole career became that at that point. Yeah, filming
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: him doing something anecdotal and the story and the characters
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: that are within it became sort of, you know, almost
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: unnecessary or secondary and it just, it doesn't work.
• 36:40
  Speaker 8: Well, prior to that time, it, Those films were written
• 36:43
  Speaker 8: like Ed Wood. Those films were written to... with story
• 36:49
  Speaker 8: in mind. And all that Johnny Depp did, brilliantly, was
• 36:54
  Speaker 8: enhance the story. And I think after that, after 2000,
• 36:59
  Speaker 8: which is a great benchmark.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: They just sort of tailored to him.
• 37:02
  Speaker 8: They tailored to his abilities, which just doesn't work. I mean,
• 37:09
  Speaker 8: I can't think... Edward, Edward, there's, there are a few
• 37:12
  Speaker 8: movies that make me laugh more, um, because he is
• 37:16
  Speaker 8: so brilliant.
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: It's the high point of both of those guys through
• 37:20
  Speaker 7: that door.
• 37:20
  Speaker 8: Yeah. You know, um, just a brilliant, brilliant film. Um,
• 37:24
  Speaker 8: but you know, this often happens to, to creatives, um,
• 37:30
  Speaker 8: who experience a lot of success and, um, I think
• 37:37
  Speaker 8: they probably feel trapped doing the thing that made them successful.
• 37:41
  Speaker 8: And yet it's hard to not do it. Or they've
• 37:44
  Speaker 8: got something else to prove. I don't know.
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: Because you have so much money thrown at you. They're like, well,
• 37:48
  Speaker 7: I guess I'll make the next dumb. Whatever weird movie
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: that Tim Burton has decided to make, it's that same thing.
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: And then they both kind of fell into that trap
• 37:57
  Speaker 7: of like, well, I have to do the thing I'm
• 37:58
  Speaker 7: known for now.
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 38:00
  Speaker 8: But you look at a guy like Gene Wilder, though.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I didn't
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: mean to compare the two of them, but when you
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: look at Wilder's career, he's not just playing the same character,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: doing the same shtick for all of his films. And
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: you see that with a lot of other comedic actors, too,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: not just Depp. I'm not saying that Depp's a comedic actor,
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: but you can go all the way back to the 30s,
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: where basically character actors were very much, you want them
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: to play the same character in every movie. So... You know,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Wilder didn't fall into that trap. I mean, even though
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: he's playing comedic roles, they're all distinctly different.
• 38:38
  Speaker 8: But you still couldn't escape his kindness. Yeah. That was
• 38:41
  Speaker 8: the one thing with Gene Wilder that I like. Stir
• 38:44
  Speaker 8: Crazy is still one of my favorite movies of all
• 38:46
  Speaker 8: time because he just even though, you know, he's in prison,
• 38:50
  Speaker 8: he's he's doing these just outlandish things. You just felt
• 38:55
  Speaker 8: his kindness, not as a character, but as a human being,
• 39:00
  Speaker 8: come through the screen.
• 39:02
  Speaker 7: I think that's the thing that saves that performance in
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: Willy Wonka, because he is just a weird guy. And
• 39:08
  Speaker 7: if you gave it to the wrong person, that's my
• 39:11
  Speaker 7: problem with the Johnny Depp portrayal, is he just seems
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: like a weirdo. He seems like a guy, literally, you
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: don't want him around your children. He seems like a
• 39:18
  Speaker 7: weird dude. And you're just like, what the hell is this?
• 39:21
  Speaker 8: Gene Wilder is.
• 39:22
  Speaker 7: says some of the most insane things along the way
• 39:25
  Speaker 7: during this trip and seems disconnected from these kids, but
• 39:28
  Speaker 7: there's something about them. you're like no behind it all
• 39:31
  Speaker 7: he still really is a good person and he really
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: does care about finding a kid that will take care
• 39:36
  Speaker 7: of this company and not be a jerk and not
• 39:37
  Speaker 7: be horrible like all these other children there is some
• 39:41
  Speaker 7: like warmth to him that comes through that you you
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: kind of have to have to make the, because his
• 39:47
  Speaker 7: performance is so random, like, it's so insane, but it
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: never crosses that line into what we see in the remake, that, like,
• 39:55
  Speaker 7: it just seems ridiculous for the sake of ridiculous. Like,
• 39:58
  Speaker 7: everything he does just sort of adds on to this weird,
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: mysterious character that he is. And he's not playing it
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: for anything else. He's just created this character. Again, it's
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: just very artistic. It's just like, I've created this character,
• 40:11
  Speaker 7: and it's not for a weird backstory like they do
• 40:14
  Speaker 7: in the other one. It's just We don't know why
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: he's like that. We don't have a weird flashback scene
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: of him going on safari. We don't know why he
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: says the weird things he does. It's just the character
• 40:24
  Speaker 7: that Gene Wilder created. And that's, that is, I think
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: what makes that movie so perfect.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: And same. I mean, when you talk about like his
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: warmth and just, I feel like you get a lot
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: of that from Mel Brooks as the producers to just the,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: the close relationship that his character grows to develop with, um,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Zero Mostel's Max B. Alleystock like the two of them
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: together it to me it's like one of the greatest
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: screen pairings of comedic history I mean I still firmly
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: believe that's Mel Brooks's best film like he even though
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: he made tons of great films after I don't think
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: he ever topped it with the producers and there are
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: just so many different moments in that film to where
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: you could almost put it on mute and still follow
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: just because of all the the unspoken interactions and reactions
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: between the two characters. And I just love the fact
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: that you're introduced to Ballystock. I mean, within the opening credits,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: he's fooling around with Estelle Winwood, you know, who's like
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: almost 100 at that point in her career. So it's like,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: this is a disreputable character. And at no point in
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: time does he ever even learn his lesson. Instead... What's
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: so funny about it is, you know, if this were
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: done in modern day, like there would be that moment
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: where like somehow Bialystock's character would come to realize the
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: error of his ways thanks to the Leo Bloom, Gene
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Wilder character. That never happens. Instead, basically just like the
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Pied Piper, Wilder's character is just sort of led on
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: this path, like Bialystock's taking him to meet the Nazi
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: screenwriter or they're putting on these swastika patches. And then,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: you know, they're out seducing all this money away from
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: old women. And, you know, he's bringing in his voluptuous secretary. Like,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: all this absurd stuff. And Wilder's just going along with
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: it because of the allure of this incredibly disreputable character. Like,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: how odd of a premise is that for a comedy?
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Because at no point in time, there's no redemption in
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: that at all. There's almost, basically, it's just, if anything,
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: they just sort of, regret getting caught and so like
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: there's that moment in front of the the i just
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: love that i just love that moment leave that alone
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: i just love that moment to where gene wilder does
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: that whole closing monologue where he's in front of the
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: courtroom and he's just explaining about all the awful things
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: he did but he's like but i love this man
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: you know it's just it's so great so it's.
• 42:58
  Speaker 8: Well when you look at the the you know in
• 43:00
  Speaker 8: real life pairing myself was a you know he's a
• 43:04
  Speaker 8: He was a serious actor.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Huge stage presence.
• 43:07
  Speaker 8: Huge stage presence, exactly. Very serious actor. And then at
• 43:10
  Speaker 8: the time that The Producers was made, Wilder was kind
• 43:14
  Speaker 8: of an unknown.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he just had that small bit part
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: in Bonnie and Clyde, and that was about it.
• 43:20
  Speaker 8: So it was... I mean, I think that Mel Brooks
• 43:29
  Speaker 8: had a lot of faith in him. Because that movie
• 43:33
  Speaker 8: was on the back burner for years and years.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: And you've got to even take Mel Brooks was pretty
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: much unknown.
• 43:39
  Speaker 8: At that point too. Pretty much unknown, exactly. But Brooks said,
• 43:43
  Speaker 8: you know, this is your role. You're the person that
• 43:46
  Speaker 8: I want to be in this role. And they searched
• 43:49
  Speaker 8: for the right counter to that for a long time.
• 43:53
  Speaker 8: Gene Wilder even talks in interviews about not knowing if
• 43:56
  Speaker 8: he was up to you know, being able to keep
• 44:00
  Speaker 8: up with what's going on. And he did a wonderful job. So,
• 44:03
  Speaker 8: sorely missed.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: It's one of those films where I feel like the
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: first time I watched it, I don't even remember laughing
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: too much, but it's one to where it just gets
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: funnier the more you watch it.
• 44:13
  Speaker 8: Oh, sure.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Just because it doesn't rely on just a delivery of
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: a joke. It's just you start picking up more and
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: more subtleties of the interactions.
• 44:22
  Speaker 8: But you can't help feel that with Gene Wilder, He
• 44:27
  Speaker 8: was ready. I think he had been ready for 35 years,
• 44:31
  Speaker 8: you know, to go. I mean, it sounds kind of
• 44:35
  Speaker 8: crappy to say, but I think that he was just,
• 44:38
  Speaker 8: he was at times a profoundly sad man, you know,
• 44:42
  Speaker 8: who found an escape in acting and comedy. And, you know,
• 44:49
  Speaker 8: but he was kind, but he was profoundly sad.
• 44:52
  Speaker 7: He had a lot of other stuff going on more
• 44:54
  Speaker 7: than people realize too.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Like again, that the fact that.
• 44:58
  Speaker 7: He was writing and everybody goes back to his whole,
• 45:01
  Speaker 7: relationship with Gilda, but they're like, you know, he married
• 45:04
  Speaker 7: after that. It's not like he was pining away the
• 45:08
  Speaker 7: rest of his life waiting for her.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: And she was with him up until the end.
• 45:12
  Speaker 9: And my heart broke for that woman with all the
• 45:14
  Speaker 9: memes of Gilda.
• 45:15
  Speaker 7: And Jean dancing in heaven.
• 45:17
  Speaker 8: Right, right.
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: I'm like, these two were together way longer than me. So, yeah,
• 45:24
  Speaker 7: I think there was more going on in his life
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: than people ever gave him credit for after. Because he
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: kind of started to tail off a little bit after
• 45:33
  Speaker 7: she died, and he moved into writing, and he moved
• 45:36
  Speaker 7: into other things, so I think everybody just went, oh, well,
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: he just lost the will to live, and I'm just like, well, no,
• 45:44
  Speaker 7: I think he's still creating. He just moved into a
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: different area. He just got tired of the acting thing,
• 45:48
  Speaker 7: and the business.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Because you're like, oh, he lost the will to live.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: You're like, so what? It took him 30 years after
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: he lost the will to live, the past, because of
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: the Gilderadner past?
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: That all seemed kind of weird.
• 45:58
  Speaker 8: Well, but he was, he was. He admits to being
• 46:01
  Speaker 8: sad a lot of the time and battling quite a
• 46:05
  Speaker 8: few demons.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: It did change him as a comedian. I do think
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: that's fair to say.
• 46:10
  Speaker 7: I don't think he could deliver those performances without having
• 46:13
  Speaker 7: that in him. I think there is an element of
• 46:15
  Speaker 7: sadness to a lot of his stuff that I think
• 46:18
  Speaker 7: is what makes his comedies a little different than other people.
• 46:21
  Speaker 7: It's not out and out silly. It's part of that
• 46:24
  Speaker 7: heart that he has that I think there is a
• 46:26
  Speaker 7: weird vein of sadness that ran through him.
• 46:29
  Speaker 8: This segment brought to you by Gene Wilder.
• 46:33
  Speaker 7: Lucy, did you want to throw one out?
• 46:35
  Speaker 9: Sure, I'll go on the completely opposite end of the
• 46:37
  Speaker 9: spectrum if we're talking about.
• 46:39
  Speaker 7: Gene Wilder and his beautiful heart.
• 46:42
  Speaker 9: If we want to talk about somebody who was anchored
• 46:44
  Speaker 9: by his just utterly corrupt nature and who almost took
• 46:48
  Speaker 9: down the entire film industry in the process, Michael Cimino
• 46:51
  Speaker 9: was sort of my Favorite celebrity death of 2016. Not
• 46:54
  Speaker 9: in that.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: I'm glad he's dead.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: Yes, finally.
• 46:57
  Speaker 9: But I feel like so many stories emerged from his
• 47:01
  Speaker 9: madness that I was, that I had no idea existed.
• 47:05
  Speaker 9: So obviously best known, I guess, for The Deer Hunter,
• 47:08
  Speaker 9: which was his, was that his second film? I want
• 47:10
  Speaker 9: to say second film. Again, I have done zero research.
• 47:12
  Speaker 7: I'm woefully overbearing for this.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: He had like some small little stuff prior, but I mean,
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: that's the one that put him on the map.
• 47:18
  Speaker 13: Sure.
• 47:18
  Speaker 9: All of a sudden he's, you know, collecting Oscars and
• 47:21
  Speaker 9: big leagues and then, and, and he's a golden boy
• 47:25
  Speaker 9: and everyone's like, next thing, next thing. What's the next thing?
• 47:28
  Speaker 9: We'll throw whatever money at you as you want. And
• 47:29
  Speaker 9: that thing wound up being Heaven's Gate, which is synonymous
• 47:34
  Speaker 9: with failure, but it's actually, I would argue a really
• 47:37
  Speaker 9: beautiful movie. I mean, I think he, achieved what he
• 47:39
  Speaker 9: planned to achieve but the way that he did it
• 47:42
  Speaker 9: was so sordid i mean i've heard these stories and
• 47:45
  Speaker 9: i haven't actually like double checked any of them because
• 47:47
  Speaker 9: i don't care if they're apocryphal or not i.
• 47:49
  Speaker 7: Just enjoy them it's more fun it's way.
• 47:52
  Speaker 9: More fun for the story But I guess when he
• 47:54
  Speaker 9: was making that film in Montana and the studio, United Artists,
• 47:58
  Speaker 9: who ultimately wound up buckling because of the enormity of
• 48:01
  Speaker 9: the failure, was asking, what is this land that we're leasing?
• 48:07
  Speaker 9: Why does it cost this much? It's Montana. There's nothing there.
• 48:11
  Speaker 9: Why are we paying this much per day? And it's
• 48:13
  Speaker 9: because prior to making the movie, he had bought the
• 48:16
  Speaker 9: land and then was charging the studio these exorbitant rates.
• 48:20
  Speaker 9: And he did the same thing with the soundtrack. Somebody wrote,
• 48:22
  Speaker 9: A song. He commissioned somebody to write a song for
• 48:25
  Speaker 9: the soundtrack. He then bought that song and then charged
• 48:27
  Speaker 9: United Artists, you know, 10 times that amount for him
• 48:31
  Speaker 9: to have the rights to it.
• 48:32
  Speaker 7: I mean, you got to give him credit. I know, right?
• 48:35
  Speaker 8: You say dismal failure. I say brilliant.
• 48:38
  Speaker 7: Unscrupulous?
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 48:39
  Speaker 8: Smart?
• 48:40
  Speaker 7: Also yes.
• 48:43
  Speaker 9: But anyway, so he's fascinating. And the fact that he then,
• 48:47
  Speaker 9: you know, became... such a recluse and then such a
• 48:51
  Speaker 9: character and then you see the photos of him later
• 48:53
  Speaker 9: in life and he's you know utterly I mean you
• 48:56
  Speaker 9: can't recognize him and yeah I liked.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: All the stories that did come out it seemed like
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: everyone had skeletons in their closet about him until after
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: he passed and I think the one that cracked me
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: up the most was apparently he was initially the director
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: for Footloose.
• 49:16
  Speaker 7: Oh I haven't heard this one I would like to
• 49:18
  Speaker 7: see that And apparently.
• 49:20
  Speaker 8: For our Footloose.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: And apparently when they were going through a lot of pre-production,
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: he was trying to gear towards what he described as
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: a musical comedy version of Grapes of Wrath. And apparently
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: at that point the studio executives were like, we got
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: to find somebody else. I think my wife is calling.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: And then he got let go shortly thereafter, but he
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: was with the production of that prior to filming for
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: a couple months or so. That's incredible.
• 49:54
  Speaker 9: I kind of want to make that movie now. Not
• 49:56
  Speaker 9: the production movie, but the musical version of Graves of
• 49:58
  Speaker 9: the Moon.
• 49:59
  Speaker 7: I think Kevin Bacon can pull off the Russian roulette scene.
• 50:02
  Speaker 7: I'm assuming he's going to add that into every movie, right?
• 50:05
  Speaker 7: Everything becomes Deer Hunter, so I want to see the
• 50:07
  Speaker 7: He's jamming that into Footloose Summer.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: I guess if I got to bounce off of that
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: in the way of like odd and almost unscrupulous directors,
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: I'm going to bring up Herschel Gordon-Lewis passed away this year.
• 50:20
  Speaker 7: That one, yeah. It got almost, again, I think it's
• 50:23
  Speaker 7: just the circle that I'm in mostly on the internet
• 50:25
  Speaker 7: because I don't come in contact with real humans. But
• 50:28
  Speaker 7: the handful of people that are attached to the Facebook
• 50:32
  Speaker 7: page for the show, it's like everybody was talking about that.
• 50:35
  Speaker 7: So again, I think we have a lot of horror
• 50:36
  Speaker 7: geeks in our circle. But I was surprised it got
• 50:40
  Speaker 7: as much recognition. It seems like guys like that get
• 50:43
  Speaker 7: totally forgotten about. I'm sure the industry wasn't near as concerned,
• 50:46
  Speaker 7: but he had a lot of fans out there.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, and you got to look at him
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: from the point of view. I mean, he was a
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: pioneer in his own right.
• 50:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah, definitely.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: Within at least that niche that is exploitation film. I
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: would say he's in there with like John Waters or
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: Russ Meyer in the way of people that, tapped into
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: something that no one had tapped into before and he'd
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: been playing around with like um sort of smutty movies
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: prior he he filmed different projects at nudist camps and
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: like he just was only able to market those in
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: so many theaters but it wasn't until he made blood
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: feast in the early 60s and that was right at
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: the time of the driving heyday kicking off was his
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: world yeah so you know now people saw something in
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: a horror film that they hadn't before and it's just
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: buckets of blood just in like vivid color and um
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: you know i mean it's fair to say and not
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: necessarily that i'm a a huge fan of you.
• 51:48
  Speaker 7: Know the i don't even know what the schlock that.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: He put together well it's not so much that you
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: know i'll come back to 2000 maniacs in a sec
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: that film i do like but um You know, the
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: fact that you have, what is it called, torture porn
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: now is what people refer to like the Saw franchise as.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: And I think I even heard that bandied around a
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: lot when The Revenant came out.
• 52:10
  Speaker 7: Sort of its own bastard version, yeah.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: Or Game of Thrones. I hear it thrown around a
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: lot with that show too. You know, I don't think
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: that's necessarily accurate, but I think Saw.
• 52:19
  Speaker 8: Hostile.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: And E.R. Roth's Hostile and stuff like that. Those movies.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: And even, I would say, Peter Jackson's Dead Alive. Yeah.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: Any movie to where it's like it's gore for the
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: sake of excess. I think that goes back to Gordon Lewis.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: But 2000 Maniacs I think is kind of a fun premise.
• 52:44
  Speaker 8: It's camp. But you stick a cowboy hat and a
• 52:48
  Speaker 8: pistole with a holster and you get a Sam Peckinpah movie. Yeah, exactly.
• 52:52
  Speaker 8: I mean one of them is celebrated and the other
• 52:55
  Speaker 8: one is demonized.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: Well, and I did not know this until after he died,
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: but apparently he was in jail for three years, and
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: that's why in the early 70s his career disappeared. Because
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: apparently on the side, going into people doing unscrupulous stuff
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: on the side, he apparently had a fake car rental
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: and a fake abortion referral service that he was taking
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: money through to fund some of his movies and then
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: just got busted for it and sent to prison for
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: fraud for three years. And like after that, that was
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: pretty much about all he did, though. Apparently for the
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: next like 20 some odd years, he got really big
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: into copyright law. And a lot of the copyright laws
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: that exist around film now were, you know, influenced by
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: him in some ways.
• 53:42
  Speaker 8: How did you get into copywriting? Well, it's funny. My
• 53:44
  Speaker 8: fake abortion clinic went out of business. After my bloodbath movies.
• 53:49
  Speaker 8: And then I didn't make any money not renting cars
• 53:53
  Speaker 8: to people. So I decided to. To get into advertising.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: But you mentioned Peckinpah and one of my favorite villains
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: of all time is, um, the, the sort of like, um, he,
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: I can't remember if he's like the big brother of
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: the patriarch, but, um, the main antagonist of straw dogs. Um,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: and I was played by Peter Vaughn who passed away
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: this year as well. Um, but with that role, I
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: remember the first time I saw it, um, I was
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: just like hooked within the first 10 minutes because when
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: you first meet him in that pub and he's just
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: like quietly drinking there and Dustin Hoffman's little nerdy character
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: has come in. It's just you can tell this guy
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: at the bar is just like this bald fist just
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: waiting for something.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: And.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Vaughn played a lot of his characters like that. Actually,
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: I didn't even realize. He was another one. I was
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: almost surprised that he was still alive. And somebody mentioned
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: that he was also in Game of Thrones, which I
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: guess he would have been like in his early to
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: mid-90s at that point. I love his character in Brazil.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: The very surreal scene to where Jonathan Pryde... Any scene, yeah. Well,
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: there's a couple of them. From start to finish. Where
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Jonathan Pryce has to help him use the bathroom because
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: he's in a wheelchair and then he's putting his pants
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: back on for him. It's either that or when he's
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: wearing a Santa Claus suit and he's in the padded
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: room with Pryce's character after he's been arrested. And he's
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: just like sort of giving him this very pitying talk.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: And I think he explains that he's got to go
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: entertain the orphans or something, which is why he's wearing
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: this Santa suit.
• 55:37
  Speaker 7: Oh, God.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: It's like going from one extreme to the next within
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: these like bit parts. But I also always liked him
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: in Haunted Honeymoon, which was Gene Wilder starring, written, directed by.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: I want to say that was one of the Gilda ones,
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: wasn't it? I think it was the last one. I'm
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: pretty sure it was right at the end. And I
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: think he made that film because at that point they
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: sort of knew. Because there's this real, like they have
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: these scrolling credits at the end where it actually shows
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: like just quick little shots of the individuals. And like
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: she's last and it just does this long freeze frame
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: that's like a slow fade out. And I almost feel
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: like that's like a little cinematic, you know. goodbye moment
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: to her i can't remember there might have been one
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: other thing that they maybe did like a little bit
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: afterwards but i feel like that was their last big
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: project together and bond plays just like this odd sort
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: of patriarch within that film so it's a fun little
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: comedy it's it's basically just old dark house redone but
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: it's fun fodder if anything just to see dom de
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: louise and drag it's one of the nice.
• 56:48
  Speaker 7: Highlights seems to be your thing i like this recurrent.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah I like seeing character actors dressed as elderly women.
• 56:55
  Speaker 7: We are dudes in drag. That's what I'm looking for.
• 56:58
  Speaker 8: Really?
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: No, they got to be elderly.
• 57:01
  Speaker 7: I mean.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: They got to be elderly women. I only want to
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: see younger character actors playing dowagers. That's all I want.
• 57:10
  Speaker 7: Older British men.
• 57:14
  Speaker 8: The one I think that shocked me the most, at
• 57:16
  Speaker 8: least in the film and TV world, was Gary Shandling.
• 57:20
  Speaker 7: That was one of the main ones I wanted to
• 57:22
  Speaker 7: get to. Mostly because, and I feel like he doesn't
• 57:28
  Speaker 7: get credit that he deserves for being as groundbreaking as
• 57:31
  Speaker 7: he was. Like, I loved him as a stand-up anyway.
• 57:34
  Speaker 7: And he made movies, but none of those are the
• 57:37
  Speaker 7: big impact. But in television, like, he did two main
• 57:41
  Speaker 7: shows and they both completely broke new ground as to
• 57:45
  Speaker 7: what you could do and what you wanted to do. Like,
• 57:49
  Speaker 7: He looked at, you know, at that point they're given,
• 57:51
  Speaker 7: you know, okay, you're a successful stand-up comedy. Now it's
• 57:54
  Speaker 7: time that we give you a sitcom. And, like, he's like,
• 57:56
  Speaker 7: I don't want to do a regular sitcom. Like, he
• 57:59
  Speaker 7: looked at that. He wrote those. Like, I don't think
• 58:01
  Speaker 7: I realized he wrote episodes of Sanford and Son.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 58:03
  Speaker 7: Like, Welcome Back, Cotter. Like, he knew sitcom, and he
• 58:07
  Speaker 7: didn't want to do that. He was like, I want
• 58:08
  Speaker 7: to do something kind of outside of the box. So
• 58:11
  Speaker 7: this is also interesting because it's one of the first
• 58:13
  Speaker 7: times Showtime gives somebody a chance to do their own thing.
• 58:17
  Speaker 7: it was one of the few that started breaking away
• 58:19
  Speaker 7: from network television is like, okay, we want to have
• 58:22
  Speaker 7: original programming because we need to sucker people into buying
• 58:25
  Speaker 7: our cable network. And they were one of the first
• 58:27
  Speaker 7: people that went to that idea and then paired up
• 58:30
  Speaker 7: with him. And it's Gary Shanley show was so weird
• 58:35
  Speaker 7: at that time. Now you see people break the fourth
• 58:37
  Speaker 7: wall all the time, but the fact that it was
• 58:39
  Speaker 7: so self-aware that it was like, literally that it named everything.
• 58:43
  Speaker 7: It's Gary Shanley's golf cart. It's Ganley sharing, you know,
• 58:46
  Speaker 7: chair like everything was named with the logo of the
• 58:49
  Speaker 7: show on the show they would talk to the camera
• 58:52
  Speaker 7: he would ride around and talk to the audience in
• 58:54
  Speaker 7: a golf cart like it was so outside of the
• 58:57
  Speaker 7: norm of generic sitcom stuff at that time.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: So that all the self-aware sort of news things like
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: Stephen Colbert showing all that they came after, you can
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: tell that they were easily influenced by him.
• 59:10
  Speaker 8: There are a few iconic celebrities, Gary Shandling being one,
• 59:18
  Speaker 8: Howard Stern, even though he's way mainstream now, but back
• 59:21
  Speaker 8: in the early 90s.
• 59:22
  Speaker 7: He again broke massive new ground.
• 59:25
  Speaker 8: And those are the kinds of people where you kind
• 59:28
  Speaker 8: of feel like you're in on a secret. You're part
• 59:31
  Speaker 8: of a club of people who get it. So much
• 59:35
  Speaker 8: so that I don't feel superior. It feeds my inner superior.
• 59:38
  Speaker 7: I don't think he ever got the credit that he deserved. Again,
• 59:42
  Speaker 7: I think even more impactful is Larry Sanders' show. Larry
• 59:45
  Speaker 7: Sanders came at a point where, once again, he jumped
• 59:47
  Speaker 7: to the other network. He goes with HBO and he's
• 59:50
  Speaker 7: just like, I want to be able to curse because
• 59:52
  Speaker 7: that's what these characters are going to do. And I
• 59:54
  Speaker 7: want to say, and once again, he'd come off of
• 59:57
  Speaker 7: doing standup. They offered him, you know, many late night
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 7: talk show after the Johnny fiasco. Like he was, he
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 7: was the fill in for Johnny. So it's like he
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 7: knew that world. He'd done the tonight show. Like he's like,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 7: I'm sure they threw tons of late night talk shows
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 7: at him. And he went, Hmm, I know how that works.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 7: I don't want to do that though. So then he's like, okay,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 7: I want to create one that's kind of as close
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 7: as you can get to that. But I want it
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 7: to all be bullshit. Like I want it to be
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 7: all fake. So he's creating not, I mean, mockumentary existed
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 7: at that point, but you never saw it like on
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 7: this week to week show basis. And years before the,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 7: even the British office did it. And you're seeing that
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 7: late night talk show game get played again, years before
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 7: the Daily Show starts playing with that concept. He had
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 7: already been there. He'd already done that. And he found
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 7: these group of people, like again, those co-stars are amazing.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 7: And he found like stars that wanted to play along.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 7: And that was one of my favorite running themes is
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 7: at the time, David Duchovny is a huge star. David
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 7: Duchovny got, I mean, they knew each other, they're friends,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 7: but he's like, I will only be on if I
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 7: can be an asshole. And he played himself and specifically
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 7: went out of his way to be a freak in
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 7: the room and playing David Duchovny. So he's like almost
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 7: damaging his own real world identity because he liked the
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 7: idea and the concept of what they're doing on Larry
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 7: Sanders so much. And he's just a weirdo. And I'm like,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 7: that's the kind of stuff, I'm like, if you find
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 7: the right people that get the concept you're doing, like, again,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 7: I think both of those shows were so amazing.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: That David Kuthney interview, like, to me, that's one of
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: those infamous interviews, so to speak, on television that's up
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: there with the whole Crispin Glover on the letters.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 7: Also kind of fake, but anyway.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: Again, it was another one of those, well, if you
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: get it, you get it, to an extent, yeah, but,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 8: But he played that role so unbelievably well. And the
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 8: one episode that comes to my mind is where he
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 8: had Warren Zevon on. And Warren Zevon says, I want
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 8: to play the new material and please don't ask me
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 8: to play Werewolves of London. And then on live television
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 8: he says, so you're going to play Werewolves of London.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 8: And you can just see Zevon's face just sink. And
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 8: it's like that's how just incredibly self-involved you know, so
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 8: many of these TV hosts are.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 7: They just don't listen. Watching that game that gets played, too,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 7: because you realize then, and you maybe more know than most,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 7: the producer aspect of it and, like, the juggling act
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 7: that it becomes to make, especially something like a, like,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 7: you look at some of those nightly, like, weeknights, every night,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 7: they have to put this nonsense together, and they've got
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 7: three guests and a musical guest and a comedy skit
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 7: that they're doing, and I'm just like, that is a
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 7: ridiculous amount of stuff to cram into 45 minutes. So
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 7: it's like the fact that all of that comes together.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 7: So then to sort of watch a version of this
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 7: and fictionalize it just enough that you can make it
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 7: a little silly, but you also realize all of that
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 7: stuff is based on real stuff that went on in
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 7: probably his life. He'd done all that stuff.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 8: And people look at television hosts, late show hosts, as
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 8: these guys or girls who sit behind desks and just
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 8: chat off of what's printed on a blue card. And
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 8: it is, you know, I've never been that, but I
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 8: would assume that the parody is an accurate representation of
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 8: just how unbelievably difficult it is to craft something that
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 8: people want to watch every single day. And he just
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 8: did such an unbelievable job with that. But one of
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 8: the things that I think, you know, you said he
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 8: didn't get the credit that he deserves.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 7: Not for all that impact.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 8: I've always felt that if you're an artist who is
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 8: really dedicated to your art, you know, you crave two things.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 8: You crave not necessarily public acclaim, but the respect of
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 8: your peers.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 7: And influence that you have on other artists.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 8: Got that in spades. I mean, as far as industry
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 8: insiders and participants in the industry are concerned, he was
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 8: one of the kings. He was one of the leaders.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 8: He was so well respected. And the other thing is
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 8: people see artists, TV personalities, musicians, painters, whatever, as being
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 8: these egocentric people. And And it's not ego because they
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 8: think they're great. It's ego because they, they truly believe
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 8: that they're going to be able to offer the viewer
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 8: a perspective that they never considered, you know, and maybe
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 8: hopefully passionately change their view in some way, shape or form.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 7: And it's so rare that that really happens.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 8: It's so rare that that really, yeah, exactly. And he
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 8: did it. He, he just did it. He did it.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 8: He's one. And he is one of the ones where I,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 8: I was shocked. I was taken aback. I was truly
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 8: mournful when he passed.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 7: Well, and again, not known for tons of... He did
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 7: several movies, but not known for a big successful movie career.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 7: But that was one of my favorite little running gags
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 7: was throwing him into the Marvel Universe and playing the
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 7: sleaziest character and later part of the huge corruption that
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 7: goes on in that universe. And I'm just like, He
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 7: was so good at it because it was just making
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 7: fun of politicians and making fun of the bullshit that
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 7: goes on. And all of these little scenarios, it was
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 7: very Larry Sanders. And I was like, that's a great
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 7: way to make use of him. So that's kind of
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 7: one of the things I was sad is like, damn,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 7: we don't get any more of.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: These little things.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 7: So do we want to move on from as influential
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 7: as Gary was?
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 7: Do you want to throw out another one?
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: Well, if I can provide a segue in the way
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: of passings to where The person, their career and influence
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: really wasn't acknowledged as much as it should have been.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: I think it would be fair to say that after
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: Abe Vigoda died, nine out of ten articles I saw
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: were like, Good Burger star Abe Vigoda died.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 7: I was like, what?
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: Did you see all those? No.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 7: No?
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: That was like every single thing I saw was, did
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: you see? It was like a bunch of just Good
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: Burger shots.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 7: No, but I guess Kel was excited.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: Now you're going to look them up and you're going
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: to see there was just dozens. It was all over
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: the place. And I thought, out of all the stuff.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: And at that point, I hadn't even seen it. And
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: so I thought, all right. The heck with it. This
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: Good Burger is on Netflix. I'm going to watch it
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: and see what it's about. I remember thinking, man, I
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: have fond memories of Nickelodeon's All That. I do. It's
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: one where part of me wants to see that on DVD,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: but then there's also part of me to where once
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: I saw that movie, I was like, Man, I'm really
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: looking through. I'm looking back at the show through major nostalgia.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 7: Some of it was good. Well, again, I think it's
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 7: hit and miss as to what was successful and important.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 7: But yeah, I feel like I've said that for years
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 7: about the Amanda show. I'm like, I think that was
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 7: one of the best sketch comedy shows around. And nobody
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 7: cared because it was a dumb kid show. So it's like,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 7: I think Nick did kind of break through with weird stuff.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 7: Some of it's kind of colored by nostalgia.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: We almost have a show that talked about how Nick
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: changed a lot in the really late 80s up through
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: the late 90s, like that decade that was a powerhouse
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: that changed a lot of, like, kids' television.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 7: I think it's back to what we started with, though,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 7: as far as that's the generation they're trying to appeal to.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 7: So you can't go, oh, Fish died, you know, because
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 7: it's like, who cares? Like, You can't go back that
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 7: far because we're already losing the people that get those references.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: Stickly died.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you can't go with anything that he was probably
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 7: really better known for. But what's the most thing that's
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 7: relevant to the largest group of people who are on
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 7: the internet all day?
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 8: So, good burger.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 9: At least they didn't say jury duty.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 7: Star of jury duty.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 9: Before we move past Good Burger because I do want
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 9: to give Good Burger its due I did not see
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 9: it theatrically I did see it in the same way
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 9: it's not unlike watching a mystery science theater film I
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 9: saw it at the Upright Citizens Brigade Theater where they
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 9: would do the fake director's commentary where the movie would
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 9: come on and it would be totally dark and you
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 9: have no idea who the comedians are and they would
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 9: each take on like a role of the film and
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 9: then talk about it and it was actually one of
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 9: the funniest experiences but I haven't seen it without fake director's.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: Commentary I don't know that you want to yeah yeah.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 9: I will say that my favorite Abe Bogota performance is
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 9: probably not in a more reputable film than that, but
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 9: there was a movie of the week from the 70s,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 9: and for years before the internet, I was trying to
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 9: figure out what this movie was, because it was a
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 9: part of my childhood that I couldn't explain or necessarily
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 9: even know if it was real, but I remember the
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 9: final scene of this film that was about the devil's
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 9: daughter who grew up without knowing that her father was
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 9: Satan and fell in with this coven of witches and
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 9: then ultimately is betrothed to the man of her dreams
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 9: we think I won't do any spoilers.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 8: I'm living that right now.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 7: For years, I.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 9: Tried to figure out what the name of this film
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 9: was about The Devil's Daughter. What is this movie?
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 7: What is this movie?
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 9: As it turns out, it's called The Devil's Daughter.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 7: I don't know how you pieced this together.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 8: That's creative.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 9: It is on YouTube, and it stars, who were then
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 9: re-teamed in Jury Duty, Shelly Winters and Abe Pagoda. And
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 9: it is a masterpiece. And it is now my go-to
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 9: Halloween film. So if you haven't seen The Devil's Daughter,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 9: highly recommend it.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 8: How will I ever remember that name?
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 7: Let me see.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 9: If you have to call me in October and ask.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 7: Are there air quotes around masterpiece?
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 8: Write it down.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 9: Masterpiece of shit.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: Masterpiece.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 8: I'd actually watch that show. Masterpiece of shit. That would
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 8: be incredible. Let's start putting this together.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: This week we feature a film where Abe Vigoda and...
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: Academy Award nominee. Do you, nominee or winner?
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 7: That's a great question.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about Shelley winners. I'm going blank now. Anyway.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 8: After seeing the latest Star Wars, do you think that
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 8: we're going to start bringing some of these people back?
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 12: Oh.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 7: I had that discussion recently on the Star Wars episode
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 7: and asked the ethical questions of like, is that okay?
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: Well, and that goes back, I think, to our, talk
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: that we started at the beginning of the podcast where
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: it's like are you letting nostalgia get in the way
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: of what is necessarily best for storytelling.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah i mean in that specific incident it's kind of
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 7: it is essential to the the plot so i mean
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 7: i i give them a reason and sort of a
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 7: pass but i still question if it's if it's a
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 7: good idea if it's okay But I'm not going to lie.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 7: If you want to.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: Put CGI Peter Cushing in everything, I am wholeheartedly fine
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: with that.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 8: Here's CGI Peter Cushing selling toilet paper.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: I want to see a remake of Glengarry Glen Ross,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: where it's Peter Cushing from different roles playing all the
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: different salesmen.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 8: Can we put this together? That is an abomination. You
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 8: need to take that back. Glengarry Glen Ross is one
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 8: of the finest pieces of cinema ever made.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 7: Let's start kickstarting this.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 8: No, he would not.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: Let's start kickstarting.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 8: I will thwart that.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 7: That makes it even more desirable. Somebody hates it.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 8: It's the finest good I've ever made.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: I love it too.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 8: You can't remake it.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 7: But it did, yeah, it did make me question if
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 7: we're going to start seeing that. I mean, and do
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 7: you just have to get clearance from the family or not?
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 7: Is there no, I mean, yeah, I asked all of
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 7: those questions. I don't, I don't know the answer.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 6: I don't know the future.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Because that one they did get permission from the family,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 7: but I'm like, do you need permission?
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the whole thing. It's like, is somebody's... If they.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: Because, I mean, I guess he would have signed a
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: release or what have you to be in the original
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: Star Wars, but does that apply to a sequel when
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: you're using his clear likeness?
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 7: I mean, did Marilyn decide she wanted to sell candy bars?
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 7: Because she is now, so... I don't know. It is
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 7: a weird question.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: Well, I guess that maybe exists to an extent. Like,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: you know, I mean, if they're going to do a biopic,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: do they have to get.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 7: Consent from a family?
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 8: Unauthorized biopic.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, does that fall into that? I guess it's
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: just all one big weird legal gray area.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what I said then. I was like, we're
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 7: going to start nailing all that down. It's going to
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 7: become a lawyer's game of likeness rights and legality.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: It goes into what Jeff Goldblum's character says in Jurassic Park,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: where it's like, you know, you Oh, you realize that,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: you know, well, I'm trying to remember the exact phrase,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: but it's like, you know.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 7: You decided if you could do it.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: You decided if you could, you never stopped to ask
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: if you should.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 7: That may be exactly where we are.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 8: But Marilyn Monroe selling candy bars is palatable, okay?
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: It really is.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 8: I mean, because it's Marilyn Monroe.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 7: She might have been doing it now if she was
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 7: still alive.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 8: It's Marilyn Monroe selling candy bars. But are we going
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 8: to go see a film where a CGI Marilyn Monroe
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 8: plays– another character. That's really the question.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 7: Possibly in the future.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 8: I don't know. I don't know if I can, you know,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 8: suspend disbelief.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: That, I guarantee you, probably is not that far away.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: I guarantee you somebody is going to try, this is
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: my prediction, my prediction is probably within like the next
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: 10 years, I could see somebody making a film that's
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: like an homage to the golden era of Hollywood and
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: they CGI recreate a bunch of classic actors in like
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: Maybe even recreating some famous unproduced script.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 7: It's that knockoff of the Hopper painting.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: And they recreate it that way.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 7: They're all hanging out at a diner. You don't believe.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 8: Exactly.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: You don't think. I'm serious. I think somebody will do it.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 7: I totally think. Because it is one of those, like,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 7: we especially, once again, this generation of internet dorks, half
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 7: of the time we're playing the fantasy casting game. Well,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 7: what happens if now it's a reality? It's not like, ooh,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 7: wouldn't it be great if you could take all these
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 7: great people from history and put them in this favorite
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 7: movie of yours? Or this new property that you're putting together.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 7: Now we kind of can, maybe not in a good way,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 7: but there's technically a way we're starting to be able
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 7: to do that. And that's, again, should we is the question.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 9: Is that even going to be watchable, though? I don't
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 9: think I would be able to watch that.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: I think from a novelty point of view.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think you're going to get people in the
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 7: beginning to do it for the sake of doing it.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 8: But it might be like Good Burger, where you just
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 8: want to turn it off. You want to turn it
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 8: off 20 minutes in. It's just, you know, is this
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 8: a good way to spend my time?
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 9: Sure, if you've already bought your ticket.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 7: Any time with Keenan is good time.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: Somebody's going to be billing the new W.C. Fields, Gene
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: Wilder comedy. And we'll probably see it.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 9: God, I would watch that.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 8: Damn it.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 7: See him.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 8: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: Why do you do this?
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 7: It will work out of sheer morbid curiosity. Literally morbid curiosity.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 7: You're watching them reanimate dead people and dance around for you. Again,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 7: it does ask some big ethical questions. Is that okay?
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: It's that schadenfreude that kind of underlies our society. How
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: many people are just going to be ecstatic to see
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: Star Wars Episode VIII because they're like, oh, Carrie Fisher
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: died a year ago, but she's up on screen. Oh,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: it's her last performance. Because that became a big selling point,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: I remember, at the theater. Anytime some celebrity would die,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: people would just flock to what.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 7: The last performance was. And I was going to say,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 7: it worked, didn't it? It always drove up the tickets.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 8: For the record, I had no problem when Stewie Griffin
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 8: danced with, oh, what's his name?
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, from Anchors Away.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 8: From Anchors Away, yes.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 7: I mean, he was dancing with a mouse.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 8: Originally, right?
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 7: I guess he had no problem with dancing with cartoons.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: We worked our way into Carrie Fisher.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, as we started putting this together, I'm like,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 7: it kind of became my take on the whole thing.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 7: maybe this year again because I was almost burnt out
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 7: with people talking about the whole deaths of 2016 more
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 7: than anything but I also just got overwhelmed with like
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 7: I kind of like I used to always post stuff
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 7: on our Facebook page of like oh you know rest
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 7: in pieces but in like midway in I'm like I
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 7: just that's all people talk about anyway I'm not doing
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 7: any service you're already doing it so it's like that
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 7: was my thing with once it got to the end
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 7: here and I'm like well now I guess we have
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 7: to talk about Carrie Fisher and I'm like what is
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 7: there left to say well and part of.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: It too is you know You almost kind of wonder,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: with Carrie Fisher passing, at that point, the running gag of, oh, 2016,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: it's killing celebrities. If the universe is this thing where
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: basically we consciously or subconsciously send forth information or will things,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: it's like, if that were the case, how many people
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: actually willed Carrie Fisher's death. After they heard about the
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: heart attack, thinking, well, this just becomes another thing for
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: us to harp on.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 7: But I posted a meme that said, wishes and prayers.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 7: I was trying to save her with my meme.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: I'll say about Carrie Fisher is I got to meet
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: her in person way, way back at the day at
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: Star Wars Celebration 2 in Indianapolis. And somehow that was
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: like before there was a big Star Wars blow up.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah, because... Anything before 10 years ago was a different world, really.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I remember I just went by myself, and
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this is fun. I got to
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: meet some celebrities in person, her, David Prowse, Billy Dee Williams,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: like a lot of the people. It was mostly characters
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: from the original trilogy. The person I probably got the
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: most excited to meet was Julian Glover, and I brought
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: him a little, like, um, Quatermass in the pit thing.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: He was just ecstatic. Somebody remembered me. He's just like, Oh,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: somebody doesn't, other than general veers from empire strikes back
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: or Donovan from last crusade. Somebody remembers me for something
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: like I love Quatermass in the pit, but it was
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: like in 2005 when I brought some friends, I was like, Oh,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: this was a great time. I brought them along and
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: it was a fucking nightmare. And I remember he was in,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: It was in, like, April of that year, and there
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: was a line. I've got video of me walking to
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: the end of this line, and.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 7: A mile away. It's over.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: I estimate it to be, like, over a mile, because
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: I'm walking at a fairly brisk pace, and it's, like,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: 15 minutes before the end of the line. It just
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: keeps going and going and going, and then it just
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: starts pouring down rain, and then everyone's just getting saturated. Like,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: all these people in these elaborate costumes getting saturated. It's
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: a drenched Jedi. But 2002... With all these other celebrities,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: I was able to just... pretty much walk up and
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: meet them. But Carrie Fisher was only appearing on Saturday.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: And that was it. So I was like, well, I
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: want to meet her. So I got in line to
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: get an autograph. And I'm not even big into the
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: whole autograph thing, but I was like, it's Carrie Fisher.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: So I got in line, and after I'd been in
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: line for about an hour, I'm like, how long is
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: this going to be? But then I'm like, well, I've
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: already been in line for an hour, so I might
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: as well stay. Then it becomes two hours, and it's like,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: how much longer is this going to be?
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 11: But then I'm like.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: I've been in line for two hours. And so it
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: was basically this.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 7: You're playing chicken with yourself.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you are.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: So then three hours, four hours, I'm like.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: At this point.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 7: That's why I've kind of gotten away from lines. It's
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 7: too much for me anymore.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: So, seven hours and 23 minutes. Good God. And when I,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: they actually had her like.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 8: I'm sorry, fundamental question. Did you pee?
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: Yes, you actually made, you established line buddies. You would
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: have to. The people around you.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 8: Sure.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 7: Or line enemies, one or the other.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to where basically you found people that trusted you.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 8: So everybody was like really nice. It's like an armed
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 8: society is a polite society.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: It was. And everybody was just sitting and basically.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 8: A lined society is a polite society.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: The line was actually nobody was standing. It was just
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: groups of people sitting like... fireside chats like people were
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: just it was like here's a circle break up in
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: little groups here's a circle here's a circle where it's
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: like we made our little line group friends I actually
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: I even took a photo of me with my line
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: group and I like I wrote down I wrote down
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: as much background as I could remember on the back
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: about everybody like what they did in real life It
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: was like we were in a trench in World War
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: I together, is what it was like.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 8: Exactly, but not really.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 7: Poor Johnny got bayoneted.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 8: So anyway, back to it.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: When I finally got into the main room, they wouldn't
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: allow cameras because Carrie Fisher did not want any photographs
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: with her. All the other celebrities were fine. And this
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: was pre, I feel like in the past few years,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: conventions have blown up.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 7: Photo ops is a thing now.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: Photo ops is a thing where you have to pay
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: for it. Back then, this was an anomaly convention that
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: they were doing. And so I remember walking in and
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: she was sitting there with sunglasses on. And she took
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: this bag that was like the biggest bag of Cracker
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: Jacks I have seen in my life. Like Sam's Club
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: meets Costco-sized bag of Cracker Jacks. And she just tears
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: it open and dumps the entire huge mound out on
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: the table. And she had like one of her assistants
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: or volunteers with her.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 13: And.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: She just instructs them. She's like, just sift out the peanuts.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: I don't like the popcorn. I just want the caramel peanuts.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: And so they're sitting there like pushing the peanuts to
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: the side and throwing all the popcorn back in the
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: bag to be thrown away. And that's what she's like
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: munching on.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 7: No green M & Ms, damn it.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: I was like, this is the best moment of my life.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: And when I walked up to her, you know, I
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: did pick that photo of her in the bikini from
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: Return of the Jedi. And she said, hey, you want
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: me to sign it? And I said, would it be
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: too much for you to sign it to Bo? The
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: restraining order stands. And she looked at me and she
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: looks over her sunglasses at me and she just goes,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: fuck it. And she signed it like that. She goes,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: there you go.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 9: I was like, She must have loved that. You must
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 9: have been her favorite all day.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 8: That would have been worth 14 hours. I know.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Like, when I get to that,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: and then when I show my friends, like, they see
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: the photo up at the house, you know, I'm like,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: that was worth... That's the longest line I've stood in,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: but it was worth it. It was worth it.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 8: Crown jewel of my collection.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: So which is better?
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 8: Is it having the autograph, or is it the peanuts
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 8: versus Cracker Jacks?
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: The story that came along. I think the story is,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: you know, because... if I just walked up and gotten
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: the autograph and that was it, I'd be like, okay.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: Like if it, if that only waited in line for
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: 10 minutes, like it wouldn't have that.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 8: If anybody noticed who's listening now, the three of us
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 8: chatty Cathy's were like completely wrapped during that entire story.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 8: We're like, you could just, you know, I mean just
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 8: pins dropping and it's just, that was great.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 7: But that's become my thing. Like I don't ever once
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 7: in a while I'll get a, a, an autograph, but
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 7: like as many shows as I'm at now, I'm like,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 7: it's just overwhelming. Like, what am I going to do
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 7: with all these? So occasionally if it's like a director
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 7: and I want like a poster or something, but let's
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 7: like glossy eight by tens. And I'm like, what am
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 7: I going to do with all these? So it's like,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 7: I don't get a ton of them now, but I
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 7: value the stories that have happened along the way. And
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 7: she was one like year and a half or so
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 7: ago when she came here, she just, I'm at the
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 7: convention killing time in between us doing the show. And
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 7: she just walks past me. And I'm like, more than anything,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 7: my takeaway is she is really short. I mean, she
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 7: was much shorter than everyone, even when she was in
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 7: her 20s. But like, I'm sure she didn't grow as
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 7: she got to be an older woman. So she was
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 7: very short. And she was walking around shopping. And I'm like, hey,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 7: here goes Princess Leia.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 8: I'll be damned.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 7: So I just sort of, you know, wandering past Princess
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 7: Leia at some point. I'm like, these are kind of
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 7: more fun than me standing in line.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: For seven hours.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 7: It's like the stuff that just kind of happens along
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 7: the way in this little geek adventures every week. So.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: That was mine.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 8: A couple of years ago on this same episode, I
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 8: think I told the story, but then had you take
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 8: it out because it sounded pretentious.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 7: But it really wasn't. No, did I actually do?
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 8: But I actually, the Billy Bob Thornton story where a
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 8: friend of mine was friends with him.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: This sounds familiar.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 8: It sounds familiar. Okay, so a friend of mine was
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 8: friends with him. And it was like 99 or something,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 8: and he was still married to Angelina Jolie. And so
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 8: I was fortunate enough to win an Emmy for some
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 8: of the work that I had done in the not-for-profit sector.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 8: And so he, as a gift, had Billy Bob sign
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 8: a photo with him and Angelina. And it said, congratulations
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 8: on the Emmy Lou Harris.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: Best wishes. Best wishes, Billy Bob.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 8: So he sends me this photo, and I thought, oh,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 8: that's very nice, and I'm really touched. And I get
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 8: a call a few weeks later, and he says, what
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 8: did you do with the photo? Where is it hanging?
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 8: I said, well, it's not. It's not hanging. Why am
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 8: I going to hang, you know? Yeah, I don't know
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 8: Billy Bob. So, you know, I said, look, I really
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 8: appreciate it. And I said, but I've just, you know,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 8: maybe I'll hang it eventually. So I said, I'll tell
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 8: you what. I'll send you a picture to Billy Bob.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 8: to give to Billy Bob of me at the Emmys.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 8: And if he hangs it, I'll hang his picture. So
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 8: I signed a picture of me at the Emmys and
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 8: it said, congratulations on your Oscar de la Renta. And
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 8: I sent it to him. And so apparently he put
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 8: it up in his house for a while. And so
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 8: my buddy was like, people would, you know, little get
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 8: togethers would be looking at all the.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 7: People on the wall.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 8: Who's this ass hat hanging on your. So anyway, so I,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 8: I got to hang on Billy Bob's wall for a
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 8: little while, I think. So I'm told.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 9: Did you, in fact, hang Billy Bob?
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 13: I did.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 7: I think you have to now.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 8: I did, in fact, hang Billy Bob. Yes, I was
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 8: very touched by that.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 7: It's the honor code of Hollywood. I think you have to.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 8: You do.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 7: It's the only honor code in Hollywood.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 8: As close as I've been.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 7: Before we leave that behind, that was my only real
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 7: takeaway was the next day. And I saw the– we
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 7: actually brought this up last week about the Carrie Fisher's
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 7: dog had a Twitter page. which it wasn't really. I
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 7: think someone else who wasn't even.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 8: Connected was doing it.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 7: Wait, it wasn't the dog? No, it was the dog.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 7: He got a special iPhone, dog paws. Anyway, but no,
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 7: I think he was the one that made this comment.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 7: The more I thought about it, I was like, damn,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 7: you're right. Most of her life was spent in the
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 7: shadow of Debbie Reynolds. And if you look at, again,
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 7: when she got out of acting and started getting into writing,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 7: most of her books, I'm using quotes here, Novels. They're fictional. But,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 7: I mean, Postcards from the Edge, again, being as anti-book
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 7: and reading as I am, I bought it. I read it.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 7: It's a really good book. It's a good book. But, again,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 7: it's about a fictional actress whose fictional mother was a
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 7: huge star and drove her crazy. And she always was
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 7: trying to get out from underneath her shadow. And the
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 7: more I thought about the whole career that they had,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 7: and they loved each other and were very close, so
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 7: the stories go. But I'm like, you know somewhere... In
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 7: the universe, Carrie Fisher was like, I can't have anything.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: One day. One day.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 7: And my mother still had to upstage me. I mean,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 7: you know that had to be. As much as she
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 7: fought with her about that stuff her whole life, she
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 7: couldn't even have death.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 8: You're so bitter.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 7: Even in death.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: You are so bitter.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 7: Damn it.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 8: You see, my wife says that when you die, you
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 8: get a wish. And she wanted her mom close.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: Or dad.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 8: Or to kill her.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 7: Or she wanted to kill her mother. Her wish was
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 7: to kill her mother.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 8: It just depends on how you look at it, you know, maybe.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 8: So Carrie Fisher could have wished her mom.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 7: I like that. Yeah, they're doing all these other things
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 7: that were like, oh, they had to be together and
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 7: all of that. And I'm like, that's one way to
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 7: look at it. I feel like Carrie would still be
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 7: a little pissed, be like, one day, I had one
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 7: day and you had to upstage me. Because now, I mean, really,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 7: as much as people are going to remember her, outside
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 7: of the Princess Leia thing, if anybody else remembers this,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 7: it's always going to be, Ooh, remember when her mom
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 7: died the next day? Like it's always going to be
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 7: that story. That's the weird angle. That's always going to
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 7: come along with it. And I'm like, she's right. Like
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 7: Carrie's right. Like her mother constantly was just needling at her,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 7: taking away her celebrity.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: This is so wrong for one of my other favorite
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: performances of hers is, um, in the reckless youth segment.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: of Amazon Women on the Moon. Her and Paul Bartel
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: in a segment directed by Joe Dante.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 7: Anything with Paul Bartel, you're already on the right track.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: And she's sitting on the lap of Mike Mazurki at
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: one point in time. Have you seen this?
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 7: I have.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: It's been a while, but I have seen it. It's hilarious.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 6: It's actually.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 7: It's post-credits first time, right?
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 7: Because you miss it if you don't know what you're doing.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: It's post-credits, and I will argue it is funnier than
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: anything pre-credits. It really is.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 7: There's some good stuff in there, too.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: There's good stuff in there, but it is the funniest
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: sketch in the whole movie. And it is made like
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: a 1930s educational film about the dangers of just the
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: reckless lives in the city. So she plays this girl
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: who has come... She's won like a beauty contest in
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: Iowa and then came to.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 8: It's always Iowa.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: And then came to New York to make it big.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 7: New York City.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: In film. And then so it's just... It's like watching
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: Reefer Madness or something. It's made with that sort of
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: fun little innocence. And that's right. It starts off with
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: Paul Bartel. He's like, so tell me, how did you
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: come to contract a social disease? And that's where it
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: backtracks and all that. And so, you know, when she
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: first gets there, like, yeah, the New York producer, you know,
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: he's like. She's like, man, this sass perilla, it sure
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: tastes funny. He's like, well, around here we like a
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: little bit more sass in our perilla. Now, why don't
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: you show me your gams?
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 13: What?
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: It is so, it's on YouTube. I still use that word, gams.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 7: Nice gams.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: But yeah, her and Paul Bartel just playing off of
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: one another. It makes that sketch so much.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 7: Well, if we want a lateral Star Wars move, I
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 7: guess we need to mention Kenny, too. Because that is
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 7: one of those, like, I mean, he got forgotten about
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 7: over the years, you know? And the fact that, again,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 7: the fact that he's still around, because sometimes when you
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 7: have physical differences, that's why I can't believe Peter Mayhew
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 7: is still out there. Because he had a lot of
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 7: health problems. To be as extreme as he is and
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 7: to live as long as he has, because sometimes you
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 7: get that big, you make it to about 19, and
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 7: your body just wears out.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: It's just.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 7: it's rough. So kind of the same works with, with
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 7: little people and health issues.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: But, you know, I know he did like some work
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: to try and bring life to it as much as
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: he could, but you know.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 7: It's, he's a trash can. I know.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, if you take away the
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: sound effects and all the sympathetic tones, I mean, how
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: much is the, the little character?
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 7: I think, I think that's the difference though. Like you
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 7: notice in the later, which then become the prequels, like,
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 7: you really don't get that much humanity because he wasn't
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 7: in there much. It was a robot for real most
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 7: of the time by then. But I think so much
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 7: of the character came in the little rocking back and forth,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 7: which is obviously Kenny. Like you can't, you can motorize
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 7: him to roll around, but you're not going to get
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 7: that same weird little effect that like is when he's
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 7: inside the tin can. And like, There really was a
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 7: little bit of personality that came through there. And I
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 7: always appreciated that some guy got inside there to make
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 7: this movie.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: Especially when they're filming in Tunisia.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah, in a freaking desert and he's inside of a
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 7: tin can. I got to give that guy credit. And
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 7: this was one of those I also didn't go tons
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 7: into background on a lot of these people. But then
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 7: the fact that he was a musician, didn't know. Also
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 7: tried to get into a brief stand-up comedy career at
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 7: some point. I'm like, things I didn't know about Kenny Baker.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 8: Comedy career, really?
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I was just like, I don't know how much
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 7: I've heard him talk in the real world. I've heard
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 7: little snippets, but I'm like, I'd kind of like to
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 7: hear him do a whole 15-minute performance and see how
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 7: it goes. But the other thing is, again, for all
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 7: the praise and recognition that he gets in Star Wars...
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 7: I love him so much in, uh, Time Bandits.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: Time Bandits.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 8: Oh, Time Bandits.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 7: He, I mean, that movie in general is amazing, but
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 7: like he is so noticeable amongst the rest of those guys.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 8: So, and, and to go along with that, the voice of, uh,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 8: Admiral Ackbar passed. Yeah.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah. There's, there's a lot of people involved in this franchise.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 7: I guess we're starting to lose.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, voice actors just passed this past year that, um,
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: I was kind of saddened by was Alan Young. I
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: think a generation remembers him best for always doing the
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: voice of Scrooge McDuck. But I mean, he was a
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: fun character actor in his own right prior to getting
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: into voice work. The tremendous amount of fun in the
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: George Powell time machine. But in a way of character actors,
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: I guess the last one I at least wanted to
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: make sure didn't get overlooked. And you saying Billy Bob
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: Thornton reminded me. was John Pulido. Probably best remembered for
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: all of his Coen Brothers work. He was the salesman
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: who was hitting on Billy Bob Thornton and the man
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: who wasn't there. Right. And he was the very sort
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: of mincing executive and Barton Fink, second to Michael Lerner's character.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: But I love him as Casper in Miller's Crossings. and
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: I was reading a fun story to where apparently they
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: wanted him to originally play the Dane you know the
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: character the tall imposing fellow who's essentially his right hand
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: man his hit man and I can't imagine Polito in
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: that role and being that imposing and apparently the Coen
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: brothers had seen him in a stage play of I
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: think it was Death of a Salesman but this guy
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: We like to look at this guy. But I mean,
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: the Coen brothers, I love all the supporting actors they get.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: Every time I go to the flea market, I think, oh,
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: I feel like a Coen brothers casting agent right now
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: as I just walk around looking at these people.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 7: He could play those kind of, like, those guys. Like,
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 7: you couldn't find anybody better to be the creepy dude
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 7: following Jeff Bridges around. Or to be the guy at
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 7: the pawn shop in The Crow. Like, that's perfect casting. Like,
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 7: you can't get, it's such a minor role, but I'm like,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 7: He makes his impact. I'm like, I remember that he's
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 7: in that movie because he's so damn good at those
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 7: kind of roles.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: And my favorite of his, which he was, if I
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: have to say out of all the years I worked
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: at a movie theater, if I look back and think, okay,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: what was the number one movie quote that all the
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: managers ever made? It was a John Pulido quote. And
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: it's from The Rocketeer. As it should be. When the plane.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 8: Does this go along with your Dick Tracy fascination? It does.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 8: It does? Okay.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: It's in that same era of Rocketeer, Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 8: Sure, sure.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 7: These are all good things.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 8: I like them all.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: But any time there would be a projector shutdown or
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: there would be a blackout or something... the managers are
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: running gag was we love to walk in and explain
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: the situation like, Oh, you know, the lights are going out,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: but don't worry folks. It's all part of the show.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: And that's like, that's his thing. And the Rocketeer is
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: this plane is getting ready to crash and all of
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: these horrible disasters are happening. Everybody's trying to run out
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: of the stands. He's just grabbing the microphone. He's like, no,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: sit down folks. It's all part of the show. He
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: just keeps saying it over and over, just desperately to
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: keep people in the stands.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: But it's just, that's such a great character that he plays, too.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: Just this sleazy owner of an airfield where, you know,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: it's all about the money. He doesn't care about the
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: human lives that are involved in these wild air shows.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: It's just, he wants to make a buck. And he's
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: just great at those types of characters. So, if anything,
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: that was just when he passed, myself, Dave Conover, and
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: the other managers were like, him dying is just all
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: part of the show.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah. those little yeah one-offs before I forget and again
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 7: people that I would run into over the years and
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 7: just again I never even talked to a lot of
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 7: them I would just constantly see these guys like Angus
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 7: Grimm being like a guy who it is amazing the
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 7: difference between his on-screen persona and like the nicest old
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 7: man you'll ever meet you know that toured for years
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 7: just getting by on like you know I'm the tall
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 7: man but he just seemed like the nicest guy in
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 7: the world. And then you look back and all he
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 7: did was horror. Like he was nothing but known as
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 7: this creepy horror guy. And I'm just like, it's so
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 7: like night and day.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: Because for me, most of the autographs I've got are
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: celebrities that I wrote off to. Because I feel like
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: when you're standing there in front of somebody at a convention,
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: they're getting bombarded by so many people.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: So I prefer just to write like a nice little
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: two-page or so letter just saying, I like you in
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: this role, the way you portrayed this, da-da-da-da-da. So I
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: wrote him one just regarding some of his work. And
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: every now and then you'll get an actor, you know,
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: most of the time if they send anything back at all,
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: they'll just sign it and send it back.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: But every now and then you'll get someone to write
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: something back, and he did with me. And he just
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: wrote back a letter just saying, oh, so tell me
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: a little bit about yourself. and so I wrote back
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: I wrote back and he was like for the next
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: year and a half or so he was like just
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: sort of a regular pen pal to where like I
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: would write off and then he would write something back
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: to me um you know because in one of his
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: letters he he mentioned how he was just um um
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: you know He liked going out for his morning tea
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: every single day. So I sent him some tea that
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: was made here in Kentucky. And then he sent me
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: a DVD of like some straight to DVD film that
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: he had just completed, like this back and forth thing.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: And it was just something where I don't think I
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: ever personally just stopped. It was just one of those
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: things where just life, you kind of get sidetracked. And
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: I saw that he was appearing at this convention that
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: I was going to anyway. So I just stood in
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: line just to say, hey, I'm that person that was
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: writing to you all those years. And he's like, oh,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: sit down and catch up. And the volunteers were like, well,
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: he's not supposed to be.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 8: He's like, no, no, he's a friend.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: And then he got them to get me a chair.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: And I sat down for the next hour. I just
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: sat there talking to him. I didn't do any autograph
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: or anything. We just sat and caught up like old friends.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: It was the nicest thing. I was like, oh, you're
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: like my other grandpa. That's funny. That's what your cast
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: member adopted him as their grandpa. He was another one
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: where when he passed, I was like, well, I got
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: this nice story. I was like, he was just a
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: genuinely nice person. That apparently was the impression that everyone
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: who ever met him in a convention said was he
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: was just the warmest celebrity you'd meet.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 9: I love that. That's my favorite story that's ever come
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 9: out of any of our Dead Celebrity episodes.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 8: Sorry, Billy Bob.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 7: Take that, Billy. Well, then there's like Don Calfa that
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 7: I always saw. And I'm like, I heard he was loony.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 6: Oh, he was.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 7: He always seemed like he was up to something. Like
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 7: every time I'd go by his table, it's like him
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 7: and whoever he was like at his table with, he
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 7: was telling them some sort of crazy story or he
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 7: was messing with another table or I mean, like he
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 7: always seemed like he was like up to something. But again,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 7: just being the Return of the Living Dead fan that
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 7: I am like that role is so impressive. And then
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 7: I always had way more respect for Weekend at Birdie's
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 7: as a ridiculous slapstick comedy, they ignore that second thing.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 7: But that first one works so well because of the
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 7: extreme performances, and his is certainly one of those.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: And he's got a fun little part in foul play
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he was in a lot of stuff. He was
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 7: in TV early on and worked his way into a
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 7: lot of roles, but in the end it was just
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 7: the weird horror stuff that people remembered him for.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he kind of has a Peter Lorre look, I
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: think is maybe that appeal.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I can see that. But, yeah, it was one
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 7: of those, like, you know, you just kind of see
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 7: these guys pass on. And it's like, well, now I
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 7: don't get to see him being crazy at a convention anymore.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 9: I have one more on my list that's one of
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 9: those people that I assumed at some point would come
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 9: for Harry Dean Stanton Fest. Because somehow in my brain,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 9: I always have him as a 60-year-old man forever, which
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 9: is George Kennedy.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 7: They stay that way. And I didn't realize he was.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 9: Actually a year older than Harry, which is crazy.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 7: That's crazy, yeah.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 8: We're in 25.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 9: But he's one of those people where I really didn't
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 9: know anything about him until, I mean, I knew his performance, obviously,
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 9: but nothing personally until.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 7: He passed away.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 9: And then just reading through his life was fascinating. I mean,
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 9: so much so that there's all these, like, just, like, dropped, like,
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 9: hints of a life, like, in his Wikipedia page. It
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 9: was like, oh, yeah, he started touring the country at
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 9: two as an actor. And then at seven, he was
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 9: a radio DJ.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 7: In New York City. It's like, wait, what?
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 9: I don't know what came of that. And then he
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 9: went into the military and dropped his... showbiz career, and
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 9: then he became actually a military consultant on the Phil
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 9: Silver Show, and then that's how he got into acting
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 9: from there. I mean, it's just the craziest life. And
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 9: he's also somebody who was married from the time that
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 9: he was 21 to three different women. He was married for.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 8: A number of years. At the same time?
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 7: Well, he was married for a number of years.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 9: And then he divorced that woman and married another woman
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 9: the same year. was married to that woman, divorced her,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 9: and then remarried her. And then the same year he
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 9: divorced her the second time, he remarried someone else. And
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 9: that woman died in 2015, and then he died in 2016.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 9: It's almost like he didn't know how to live without
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 9: being married.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 7: Liz Taylor was his year. That's what I was going
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 7: to ask.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: Were they any well-known?
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 9: I don't believe so, no.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 6: It's a weird lifestyle.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 9: That's all I got.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 8: Florence Henderson.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 7: Again, somebody that I feel like would never escape the
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 7: one thing she was really known for. And eventually, it
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 7: seemed like she just embraced it. Like, I kind of
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 7: like that when people.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 8: Oh, the Wesson Oil stuff was, you know.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: That was the only other, like.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 7: For years. Like, that was her other claim to fame. But, like, eventually.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 8: It's still in that housewife mold. Yeah. You know?
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 7: But, I mean, again, I always liked that. That's what
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 7: I was like. I love Don Wells for it's like
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 7: she's just like I don't care I'm Marianne screw it
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 7: you know it's like this is my life people love
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 7: me for it I'm gonna go with it and it
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 7: was like eventually Florence Henderson feel like she's like how
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 7: many times did I see her on some weird daytime
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 7: talk show and she's like yep here I am Brady
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 7: Bunch let's talk about it like she just owned up
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 7: to it love the fans for loving her and I
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 7: feel like, yeah, she was always in a good place,
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 7: even though I feel like she did tons of stuff.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 7: I feel like she was still doing like theater even
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 7: later on in her life.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 8: Oh, absolutely. She still worked.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 7: She was working, yeah.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 8: You know, I don't, I have never really understood the,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 8: and going back to what we were talking about with
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 8: Johnny Depp, I've never understood why artists can't be comfortable
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 8: with those things that make them successful. Why they feel
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 8: like they have to, and I'm, you know, I'm supposing here,
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 8: but they feel like they have to belittle it or
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 8: escape it in some way.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: We've talked a lot about Star Wars and apparently Alec
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: Guinness was nefarious for loathing people loving Kenobi and not
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: knowing of anything else of his.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 7: He didn't want anything to do with it to begin with.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 7: He just sort of ended up in it and was like,
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 7: what am I doing? Eventually I think he got okay. Again,
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 7: I read one interview that was just kind of like
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 7: he was all right He still never loved the idea.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 7: He didn't like the fandom that came with it. But
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 7: I think eventually he made peace with the performance that
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 7: he did and that original work. But yeah, I don't know.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 7: The one that I threw it out there to people
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 7: on Facebook, as usual, people are kind of slackers. The
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 7: one that specifically somebody mentioned is they wanted us to
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 7: get to Alan Rickman.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 7: I guess we should probably.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: He was one that I think was fair to say
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: that it, it shocked a lot of people because he was.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 7: He seemed like he wasn't that old either. And he
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 7: wasn't that old. But even then, like, I think we
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 7: all still felt like he was that 40 year old
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 7: guy that we got to know in all these specific roles.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 7: And he never aged past that in our minds.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: And you've got to look at the, the significance for him, um,
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: with the, the generation that's younger than us, uh, Because
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: I want to say that it's fair to say that
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: for a generation of people, the Harry Potter films have
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: the same mystique on the screen that the Star Wars
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: did for a lot of us growing up.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 7: I think it had more impact on the kids. I
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 7: don't know if more than Star Wars, but I think
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 7: it's as much. It's the only thing that you can
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 7: kind of compare for that generation.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: And he being really the first main passing, because I
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: don't remember much to do when... Richard Harris passed away,
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: because at that point, I don't think.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 7: That was during the movies, yeah.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 7: We lost the jerky uncle, right? The one that was.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, Richard Griffiths.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, we lost him.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: Well, him I loved just with Nell and I, but
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: I think that was last year, wasn't it? Yeah, I
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: think so. We brought him up.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 7: That's why I remembered we just lost somebody, but he
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 7: was the first real main cast member. And of our stars,
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 7: it hopefully will be quite a while, but I guess
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 7: you never know.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: But.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 7: So yeah, I guess of the adult symbol.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: I'm still attached too much to Michael Gambon or Maggie
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: Smith to see them go just yet.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 7: Again, I think it is that generational thing because I
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 7: think if you take even maybe just five years, step
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 7: back in ages, I think everybody knows Hans Gruber. Again,
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 7: I brought it up last week, but Die Hard is
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 7: such a perfect action movie and so much of that
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 7: ties to him as being this great action movie archetype
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 7: villain and pulling off this weird dialogue and this weird
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 7: dialect that he does. And specifically, I think if nothing else,
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 7: his American accent is the most entertaining thing maybe in
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 7: that whole damn movie. Him trying to be an average
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 7: Joe American is really impressive and within those levels of
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 7: you know it's fake even within the movie because that's
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 7: not how it sounds. But you also know in the
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 7: real world he also is an American. So he's doing
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 7: like two levels of trying to be a fake American.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 8: It's kind of genius.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: And if you circle back to also that talk about
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: celebrities that can't stand the role that they were loved for,
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: if you look at the characters that he plays in
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: Galaxy Quest.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 8: I was just going to say Galaxy Quest.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: He's essentially playing the Spock character, but it's from the
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: point of view of he can't stand the fact that
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: people love that character.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 8: One of the best parts about that film is his
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 8: hair sticking out from.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: Under the headpiece. But the fact that he goes, eventually
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: by the end of the film, he's embraced the character.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: It is such an endearing role.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 8: By Rathgar's hammer or something like that.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: By Rathgar's hammer, I will avenge the.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 8: That's right.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: The catchphrase, the equivalent of live long and prosper in
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: that film. That's a really... Galaxy Quest, I feel like,
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: was a little bit ahead of its time when it
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: came to sort of.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 7: Probably, because it didn't do that well. It's only in, like, video.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: It has in my house.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 7: Well, again, because of repeated viewings and cable and video,
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 7: I think that's where it found its audience.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: Making fun of the fandom world and the convention world.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: Before it was the thing. Yeah, in 99, that really
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: hadn't exploded the way that it has now.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 7: It was just Star Trek. geeks back then really even
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 7: Star Wars hadn't had its full resurgence to that extent
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 7: so it was mostly just making fun of Star Trek
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 7: geeks at.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: That point even Star Trek conventions weren't that.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 7: Big not like that not like they are.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 8: Now like all conventions are now shout out to Joey
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 8: Boots from the Howard Stern show really sad genuinely sad
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 8: to see him.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 7: Go yeah I guess we have to look to wrap
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 7: up so is there anyone else that we missed along
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 7: the way or I was gonna say I'm not I
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 7: mean I would say I could do a whole episode
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 7: on Prince. I've done about three in the past, actually
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 7: just the year before he died.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 7: I started putting together that music episode and got to
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 7: so many awesome versions of his songs. So for those of.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: You all listening, the link will be in the comments.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 7: Well, no, I did two episodes about the same album
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 7: because it had so much impact and so many people
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 7: covered these songs that I ended up like, well, there's
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 7: so much stuff I can do two of the exact
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 7: same album.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 8: So like, Just.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 7: Talking about that kind of stuff is... I'm going to...
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 7: Same thing with Leonard Cohen. The music people are their
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 7: own thing and because we also have a music show,
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 7: I'm just going to devote separate episodes to them.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 8: Oh, absolutely.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 7: If you wonder why we didn't discuss Prince or.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 8: Leonard Cohen or David Bowie or.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 7: Weren't you friends with George Michael? Did we want to
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 7: acknowledge that you were bestest of friends?
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 9: We were best friends.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 7: I saw a photo.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 8: It's true.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 9: We'll talk about it later.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 8: Fuck Wheat Sideco. Yeah. I mean, yeah, we lost a
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 8: lot of.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 7: So those will all kind of tie in later. So
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 7: don't think we forgot. But of the actors, anyone else
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 7: we need to hit on the way?
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: So for those of you all listening out there, give
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: it a few years and eventually everyone from your nostalgic
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: childhood will be dead and then we can be adults.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 9: Unless you die first. Got dark. That's what we do
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 9: on the death episode.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: If I could do a throwback, one of the final
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: throwbacks I'll give was Douglas Slocum in an interview in
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: the past year. He said, how odd he thought it
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: was to where virtually everyone that he ever worked on
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: for a film for is now dead. He's like, it's
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: an odd point to be in one's life.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 8: To a much vilified 2016, go fuck yourself. It was
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 8: a pig of a year.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 7: I thought you were going with Fonadu. Never mind.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 8: It was a good year, like any year. It was
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 8: a good year, it was a bad year. You can't
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 8: classify a year by You know, blanket it with one thing. Yeah.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 7: And like I said, like, I'm sure if you go
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 7: back and look at the numbers, they're not any different.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 7: The same amount of people died.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 8: It's just we had a lot of mainstream, huge mainstream
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 8: names leave us.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: More pop culture names.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 7: Definitely a couple of super influential people. So I see
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 7: how it impacts people a little more than just a
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 7: bunch of people that they weren't all that familiar with.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 7: But still, I don't think it was any different than
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 7: every other year.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: I'll just end on mine, just saying, knock on wood,
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: that this time next year, we are not talking about
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: Harry Dean Stanton, because we all love you too much.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 9: This year actually scared me because a lot of people,
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 9: I think of 1926 as this magical year because there's
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 9: all these people who are still alive who really shouldn't be,
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 9: like Hugh Hefner and Queen Elizabeth and Fidel Castro.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, whoops.
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  Speaker 9: And also Herschel Gordon-Lewis was a 26er, Roger Corman a 26er.
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  Speaker 9: It just seemed like this.
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  Speaker 8: Year were all of these.
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure Emmett Walsh is too because I always
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  Speaker 2: think of him and Stanton. Going back to Roger Ebert's
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  Speaker 2: Stanton-Walsh rule in the sense that if it has Harry
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  Speaker 2: Dean Stanton or Emmett Walsh in it, It's watchable on board.
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  Speaker 9: Can't be altogether bad.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So we love you, Harry Dean.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah. Hang in there, buddy.
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  Speaker 7: As we look forward to 2017. All right. So there's
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  Speaker 7: our grim wrap-up. Big, sad trombone to the end of 2016.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 8: Hold on. I will say, I will say, and this
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  Speaker 8: is where I got that pick of a year line.
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  Speaker 8: there is a viral video going around about a guy
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  Speaker 8: who slept through 2016. Have you seen that? And it
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  Speaker 8: is with Rip Van Winkle? Trump, yeah. And his first one,
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  Speaker 8: when he says David Bowie is dead, the guy's going, no!
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  Speaker 8: And he says, no, no, no, that's January. So it's
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  Speaker 8: really well done, and I highly recommend that if you
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  Speaker 8: haven't seen it, you search it because it is wildly funny.
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  Speaker 8: And a little heartbreaking.
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  Speaker 2: And some of the celebrities they mention, I'm a little like,
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  Speaker 2: it's a British production.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, yes, absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: It's more British pop culture references.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Which, the thing that surprised me is that they mention
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  Speaker 2: all those dead celebrities and they mention Trump winning the election,
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  Speaker 2: but they don't mention Brexit in that. And I'm surprised.
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  Speaker 7: Seems like that, yeah. In that culture would be a
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  Speaker 7: way bigger deal than for us. But, yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Very strange.
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  Speaker 7: Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next time
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 7: saying geek feed. Thanks for listening. Get out if you survive.
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  Speaker 4: Empty spaces What are we living for? Abandoned places I
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 4: guess we know the score.
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  Speaker 12: On and on Does anybody know what we.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 11: Are looking for?
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 4: Another hero.
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  Speaker 12: Another mindless crime Behind the curtain In the pantomime Hold
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  Speaker 12: the line Does anybody want to take it anymore?
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  Speaker 13: Show must go.
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  Speaker 7: On Show must go on.
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  Speaker 5: Inside my heart is breaking My makeup may.
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  Speaker 12: Be flaking But my smile still stays on.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever happens.
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  Speaker 12: I leave it all to chance Another heartache Another failed
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  Speaker 12: romance Oh, no, no Does anybody know what we are
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 12: living for? I guess I'm learning I must be warmer
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  Speaker 12: now I'll.
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  Speaker 1: Soon be turning.
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  Speaker 12: Round the corner now Outside the dawn is breaking But.
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  Speaker 1: Inside in the dark I'll make it to the dream.
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  Speaker 13: The show must go on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Ooh, inside my heart is breaking.
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  Speaker 12: My makeup may.
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  Speaker 7: Be faking, but my.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 12: Smile still stays on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 13: Oh, oh, oh.
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  Speaker 1: My soul is painted like.
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  Speaker 5: The wings of butterflies Fairy tales of yesterday Will grow,
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  Speaker 5: they'll never die I can fly I'll talk the bill I'll.
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  Speaker 1: Overkill I have to fight the will to carry on
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• 1:57:21
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