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The Odon Fire Poltergeist · River City Mystery - Investigating mysteries in southern Indiana, southern Illinois, and western Kentucky

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  Speaker: You're listening to. River City
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  Speaker: Mystery podcast, the show that
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  Speaker: delves into the Evansville and
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  Speaker: surrounding Tri-State area's
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  Speaker: mysteries, including unsolved
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  Speaker: crimes, murders, and
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  Speaker: disappearances.
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  Speaker: A show that isn't afraid to jump down the rabbit hole to
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  Speaker: investigate reports of local hauntings, sightings of UFOs and
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  Speaker: cryptids, among other paranormal phenomena, with your host co
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  Speaker: founder of the Humans of Evansville Facebook page.
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  Speaker: Law office worker by day.
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  Speaker: Insomniac researcher of the bizarre by night Matt Deig.
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  Speaker: In tonight's episode, we travel
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  Speaker: to a little town in Daviess
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  Speaker: County, Indiana, known as Odin,
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  Speaker: the site of a decades old
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  Speaker: mystery which the Indiana State
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  Speaker: Fire Marshal referred to as the
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  Speaker: most baffling mystery he had
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  Speaker: ever seen.
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  Speaker: Before he closed the case
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  Speaker: unsolved, a case that has come
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  Speaker: to be known as the Odin Fire
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  Speaker: Poltergeist.
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  Speaker: As I was going through my list of of potential mysteries to to
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  Speaker: look into, I've always been a fan of looking into curses and
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  Speaker: cursed people and teams and ground and things like that.
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  Speaker: This one definitely fits the
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  Speaker: bill of perhaps being cursed
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  Speaker: ground or property that's
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  Speaker: cursed.
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  Speaker: I don't know what your opinion is on curses or cursed people or
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  Speaker: that sort of a thing, but sometimes there are certain
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  Speaker: people or families, um, grounds that bad things seem to happen
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  Speaker: for whether, whether it's, you know, brought upon by themselves
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  Speaker: or if there is an actual curse or, or whatever.
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  Speaker: It's hard to deny that some
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  Speaker: people and things and teams seem
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  Speaker: to have fallen victim to the
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  Speaker: curse.
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  Speaker: Just off the top of my head, I'm
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  Speaker: thinking of the Kennedy family
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  Speaker: curse.
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  Speaker: There's all kinds of tragedy that has befallen the Kennedys
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  Speaker: from JFK to his brother Robert.
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  Speaker: And there's a whole list of other tragedies that you start
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  Speaker: to wonder, what are the chances of all of these horrible things
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  Speaker: happening to one family?
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  Speaker: You've got the curse of King Tut's tomb.
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  Speaker: The people who passed away when they opened the tomb, the Billy
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  Speaker: goat curse from the cubs.
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  Speaker: When William Cyanose brought his
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  Speaker: Billy Goat Murphy, to the
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  Speaker: nineteen forty five World
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  Speaker: Series, he was kicked out of the
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  Speaker: game.
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  Speaker: On his way out, he cursed the team, and I believe the team did
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  Speaker: not see a World Series for another seventy one years before
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  Speaker: they broke that curse.
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  Speaker: Some people assign that to the curse.
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  Speaker: Other people to say that's what it was.
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  Speaker: Just a seventy one year drought
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  Speaker: and nothing to do with the
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  Speaker: curse.
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  Speaker: I know some Indianapolis Colts fans secretly wonder if maybe
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  Speaker: Peyton Manning didn't mutter some kind of curse or two on the
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  Speaker: way out the door when he was let go from the Colts.
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  Speaker: Don't get me started on that, though.
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  Speaker: Now, the grounds that the Odin fire poltergeist that we're
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  Speaker: going to be talking about tonight occurred on is it
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  Speaker: occurred in Odin, Indiana.
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  Speaker: And we need to talk a little bit about the history of this
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  Speaker: ground, because once we start looking at the history of this
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  Speaker: particular piece of ground, we start to wonder if maybe this
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  Speaker: area isn't cursed or this piece of property is cursed.
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  Speaker: Um, certainly an argument could be made that it is about twenty
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  Speaker: years prior to the US Civil War, a Tennessee native named
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  Speaker: Marshall Ketchum moved to the Daviess County, Indiana area at
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  Speaker: that time that he moved there.
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  Speaker: It wasn't known as Odin.
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  Speaker: That area in Daviess County was
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  Speaker: known as Clarksburg after George
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  Speaker: Rogers Clark.
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  Speaker: Just after the end of the US Civil War, Marshall built a two
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  Speaker: story frame house and lived there with his wife, Margaret,
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  Speaker: and their children.
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  Speaker: The house that Marshall built is the actual property.
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  Speaker: That's the grounds that the Odin
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  Speaker: Fire Poltergeist will occur at
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  Speaker: much later.
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  Speaker: But we're.
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  Speaker: talking about, you know, we're kind of going into the history
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  Speaker: of this ground.
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  Speaker: Mr. Marshall was the first one
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  Speaker: to build on that property with
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  Speaker: his wife.
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  Speaker: They had two children together, at least two children that were
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  Speaker: listed in the eighteen sixty census in the Davis County area.
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  Speaker: He built the house about four miles northwest of town, right
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  Speaker: off the main road.
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  Speaker: The first tragedy to strike on
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  Speaker: this property occurred in the
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  Speaker: eighteen eighties, when five
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  Speaker: members of the Marshall family
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  Speaker: passed away from the burning
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  Speaker: fever, which it's believed that
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  Speaker: was most likely typhus, the
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  Speaker: burning fever.
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  Speaker: And according to an obituary in the Indianapolis News, Marshall
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  Speaker: was not one of those who passed away, and he died later in
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  Speaker: eighteen ninety nine.
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  Speaker: After Mr. Marshall passed away.
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  Speaker: The home was sold to a Southerner named Andrew Weichel
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  Speaker: and his wife, Andrew Weichel, was a spiritualist, so he.
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  Speaker: He thought he could communicate with the dead, end.
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  Speaker: So he goes into the property with this belief already.
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  Speaker: And he and his wife had two sons, and unfortunately, one of
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  Speaker: those two sons was shot to death in a hunting accident.
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  Speaker: This really hit Mr. Wickle pretty badly.
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  Speaker: He was inconsolable and grieved
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  Speaker: over the loss of his son for
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  Speaker: many years.
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  Speaker: He actually had his son buried a few hundred yards west of the
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  Speaker: house in a casket that he had custom built, with an embedded
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  Speaker: glass window so the child's face could be seen.
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  Speaker: So he had buried the son in a casket with, I'm guessing, some
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  Speaker: sort of a cavern or some sort of a shaft where he could actually
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  Speaker: shine a light down or something to see his son's face.
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  Speaker: Um, even though he had been buried in this casket.
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  Speaker: Not creepy at all.
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  Speaker: And I think that his wife was not a huge fan of this idea.
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  Speaker: I think she went along with it
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  Speaker: because, you know, he was so
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  Speaker: inconsolable.
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  Speaker: And, you know, this was the way he was.
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  Speaker: Her husband was dealing with the grief also.
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  Speaker: Her husband claimed their deceased son had made his
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  Speaker: presence known to to them and or to him anyway, and that he
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  Speaker: regularly had conversations with his deceased son after Mr.
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  Speaker: Whipple passed away.
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  Speaker: It was rumored that his wife had the boy's casket dug up and
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  Speaker: moved to a nearby cemetery so she wouldn't have to, you know,
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  Speaker: see that in the backyard all the time, which understandable.
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  Speaker: Years later, in nineteen thirty, the property is for sale.
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  Speaker: I don't know if what happened with Mrs. Whipple.
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  Speaker: If she just decided to get out of there or what.
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  Speaker: The records show that in the.
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  Speaker: In nineteen thirty, the property
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  Speaker: is purchased by a William
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  Speaker: Hechler and he lived there at
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  Speaker: the property with his wife,
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  Speaker: Minnie, and their five children,
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  Speaker: and they lived there for a
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  Speaker: decade with.
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  Speaker: And there really weren't any incidents to talk about.
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  Speaker: That all changed dramatically in
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  Speaker: the summer of nineteen forty,
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  Speaker: however.
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  Speaker: Don Cosby wrote an article in The Washington Times Herald in
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  Speaker: October twenty ten focusing on the Odin Fire Poltergeist case.
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  Speaker: Don Cosby was selected as the Davies County historian by the
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  Speaker: Indiana Historical Society.
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  Speaker: He's written several books on the topics related to Davies
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  Speaker: County and Southern Indiana, such as revisiting the past,
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  Speaker: legends, legacy and folklore, and My Scrapbook.
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  Speaker: If you're interested in checking out those books, check out the
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  Speaker: links in my show notes at River city Mystery dot com.
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  Speaker: And I actually had the brief opportunity to speak with Don,
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  Speaker: and he was able to help me out with a few questions I had,
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  Speaker: which I very much appreciate him taking his time out of his day
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  Speaker: to answer those for me.
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  Speaker: He's ninety years old, but still on top of his game, and you'll
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  Speaker: hear a little bit of our interview later in this episode.
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  Speaker: This is the article that Don wrote in The Washington Times
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  Speaker: Herald in October twenty ten about the Odin fire Poltergeist.
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  Speaker: The Washington Herald published a rather remarkable, if not
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  Speaker: unbelievable, story of details of the event that were not only
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  Speaker: witnessed, but were verified by neighbors who visited the home
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  Speaker: of William Hackler.
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  Speaker: Friday, June twenty first, nineteen forty.
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  Speaker: Personally, I would probably be one of the first to suspect a
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  Speaker: staged event by the family.
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  Speaker: But after authorities had investigated all possible
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  Speaker: scenarios, this story still remains a mystery.
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  Speaker: You therefore, are permitted to
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  Speaker: accept the story as fact or, if
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  Speaker: you choose, dismiss it as total
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  Speaker: nonsense.
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  Speaker: William Hackler lived on a large
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  Speaker: two story house on top of a
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  Speaker: hill, surrounded by large pine
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  Speaker: trees about four miles northwest
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  Speaker: of Odin.
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  Speaker: The old house has been gone for
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  Speaker: years, of course, but some of
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  Speaker: the older folks in town may
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  Speaker: remember it.
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  Speaker: One of the articles stated that the old house was located on a
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  Speaker: high hill about a hundred yards off the road just east of the
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  Speaker: abandoned Hastings School.
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  Speaker: Mr. Hechler drove a truck and collected milk from local
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  Speaker: farmers, but was getting back into town around nine a m he was
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  Speaker: told that the Odin fire truck had gone to his house earlier,
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  Speaker: but everything was okay.
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  Speaker: Now he decided to finish the
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  Speaker: rest of his route, but
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  Speaker: everything was not all right, as
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  Speaker: he later found out when he got
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  Speaker: home around ten a m and until
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  Speaker: eleven that night, he was kept
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  Speaker: busy watching for fires to break
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  Speaker: out.
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  Speaker: Dorothy Hechler found the first fire in an upstairs room.
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  Speaker: The strip of wallpaper just ignited on the wall.
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  Speaker: Of course, the fire department thought of a defective chimney,
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  Speaker: but there was no chimney even close to that wall.
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  Speaker: Also remember, it was June and there was no fire in the stove.
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  Speaker: They tore off the plaster and there was no chimney behind it.
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  Speaker: The second fire broke out on the opposite side of the house.
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  Speaker: Again firemen tore plaster and lathes off down to the studs,
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  Speaker: finding no evidence of where the fire had traveled underneath the
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  Speaker: lathes, or between the ceiling and floor of the second story.
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  Speaker: It had simply just broken out, just like the first.
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  Speaker: This was on the west side of the
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  Speaker: building, and it was feared the
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  Speaker: whole house might catch fire,
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  Speaker: but water from a cistern
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  Speaker: prevented the fires from
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  Speaker: spreading, and the family were
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  Speaker: able to put them out as they
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  Speaker: occurred.
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  Speaker: Hechler said from that time on all day Friday, it was just one
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  Speaker: fire after another.
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  Speaker: Most of these fires were small but appeared to be spontaneous.
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  Speaker: One fire occurred inside a desk where papers caught fire.
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  Speaker: Another, while two women from Odin had stopped to visit.
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  Speaker: Curtains on a window directly
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  Speaker: behind them suddenly burst into
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  Speaker: flames.
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  Speaker: But strangely, the window shades were not burned.
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  Speaker: Then suddenly, the curtains
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  Speaker: across the room hanging out a
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  Speaker: window ignited in the same
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  Speaker: fashion.
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  Speaker: Another fire broke out in a bedroom paper that had been
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  Speaker: placed between the springs and the mattress broke out into
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  Speaker: flames, destroying the mattress.
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  Speaker: A calendar in another room burst into flames, but strangely it.
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  Speaker: It did no damage to the wallpaper.
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  Speaker: In another room, a pair of trousers hanging on a hook
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  Speaker: against the wall caught fire.
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  Speaker: One of the neighbours said, if I
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  Speaker: had not been in that house at
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  Speaker: that time and seen it with my
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  Speaker: own eyes, I would not have
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  Speaker: believed it.
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  Speaker: Another person said, the devil is in that house.
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  Speaker: Mr. Hackler said, I don't believe in spooks, so the only
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  Speaker: thing I was afraid of that night was fire breaking out that way.
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  Speaker: In the course of the next few days, hundreds of people visited
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  Speaker: the Hackler home, going away completely mystified about the
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  Speaker: actual cause of the fires.
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  Speaker: All these fires had one thing in common they had no explanation.
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  Speaker: Some said the house was haunted.
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  Speaker: Others said it was cursed.
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  Speaker: One such story could lend credence to the fact that it was
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  Speaker: told that the house did have quite a background.
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  Speaker: Mr. Cosby goes on to talk about the, uh, Spiritualist who lived
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  Speaker: there, which I've already.
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  Speaker: I've already talked about.
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  Speaker: The entire heckler family was
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  Speaker: quite shaken, and Virginia
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  Speaker: Hackler, a ten year old
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  Speaker: daughter, was especially
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  Speaker: frightened.
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  Speaker: In fact, being unable to know what else the family might be
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  Speaker: required to endure.
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  Speaker: The family slept in the front yard the night after the fires.
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  Speaker: Even at that, I'm sure sleep
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  Speaker: didn't come easy for the family
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  Speaker: that night.
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  Speaker: Later, heckler, in an effort to
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  Speaker: find the answers to the problem,
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  Speaker: contacted the state fire marshal
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  Speaker: for assistance.
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  Speaker: Oddly enough, eight years later, on October twenty third,
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  Speaker: nineteen forty eight, at Macomb, Illinois, the home of Charles
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  Speaker: Willey experienced almost exactly the same situation as
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  Speaker: the heckler family did.
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  Speaker: The Willey family had numerous small fires.
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  Speaker: However, they finally lost two barns and their home to fires.
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  Speaker: To my knowledge, no satisfactory logical causes were ever found
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  Speaker: to explain the fires.
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  Speaker: The mystery continues.
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  Speaker: Yet today the Travelers
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  Speaker: Insurance Company used the
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  Speaker: heckler story in an ad in the
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  Speaker: April nineteenth, nineteen forty
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  Speaker: one edition of Collier's
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  Speaker: Magazine.
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  Speaker: The ad stated under a photo with a little story about the twenty
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  Speaker: eight fires, the ad stated, it is very unlikely you will ever
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  Speaker: be the victim of a mysterious siege of fires like this, but
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  Speaker: one fire without enough insurance, properly written, is
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  Speaker: one too many.
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  Speaker: As I was doing research on this
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  Speaker: poltergeist case, I wanted to
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  Speaker: find out where exactly this farm
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  Speaker: was.
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  Speaker: Obviously there had to be a well
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  Speaker: known area, or people had to in
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  Speaker: that region know where the farm
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  Speaker: was.
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  Speaker: I couldn't find.
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  Speaker: I looked through many, many stories and all of the stories
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  Speaker: pretty much say the same things.
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  Speaker: And there were very few references to the actual
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  Speaker: location of this farm.
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  Speaker: So I reached out to Mr. Cosby and asked if he knew, since he's
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  Speaker: from Daviess County, if he knew exactly where this farm was.
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  Speaker: I wanted to take a little day trip up there to Daviess County
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  Speaker: and see it for myself.
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  Speaker: See where this farm was now.
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  Speaker: There were other stories.
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  Speaker: This was not in Mr. Cosby's story, so I don't know.
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  Speaker: I can't verify whether this is true or not, but there were
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  Speaker: other stories that stated that the hecklers moved.
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  Speaker: They they actually tore their house down and moved their home
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  Speaker: a few miles up the road.
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  Speaker: Mr. Cosby did not confirm this, and he'll explain that here in a
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  Speaker: minute, but it appears as though there's no house there now.
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  Speaker: So either they.
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  Speaker: Either the house was demolished for whatever reason, or maybe.
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  Speaker: Maybe they did rebuild the same home a few miles up the road.
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  Speaker: That is kind of unknown, but I
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  Speaker: did ask Mr. Cosby where the home
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  Speaker: was, where was this piece of
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  Speaker: ground?
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  Speaker: And this was his response.
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  Speaker: I have talked to a couple of
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  Speaker: people in that area, older
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  Speaker: people.
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  Speaker: I'm ninety years old, and I, I
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  Speaker: talked to a couple of people
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  Speaker: that are about my age, I'm a
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  Speaker: little less.
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  Speaker: I am aware of the of the case, the poltergeist case, and um.
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  Speaker: But as far as we are concerned, we are unable to definitely
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  Speaker: locate that particular farm.
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  Speaker: I went on to ask Mr. Cosby if he
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  Speaker: knew what became of the heckler
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  Speaker: family.
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  Speaker: Like I said, there are some stories that they rebuilt, uh, a
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  Speaker: mile or so up the road.
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  Speaker: And since Mr. Cosby is the
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  Speaker: Davies County historian, I
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  Speaker: thought he might have some
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  Speaker: insight on what became of the
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  Speaker: hecklers.
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  Speaker: This was his response.
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  Speaker: I best I can figure out is that is that they did not live in the
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  Speaker: in the county very long.
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  Speaker: I kind of figured really that they they moved, you know, the
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  Speaker: entire family moved and and there haven't been any hecklers
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  Speaker: in Davis County.
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  Speaker: For as long as I know.
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  Speaker: I received a letter from Don Cosby's son in law, Mark Smith.
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  Speaker: Mark did a little bit of research and was able to provide
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  Speaker: me with what his best estimate was for the actual location of
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  Speaker: the Heckler Farm.
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  Speaker: And he sent me a Google image
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  Speaker: with an actual ping of the exact
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  Speaker: location.
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  Speaker: So I took a little road trip up there and checked it out.
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  Speaker: It's there's nothing, there's nothing there now.
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  Speaker: It's basically just farm ground.
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  Speaker: I'll post some pictures at on the show notes.
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  Speaker: River City Mystery dot com slash four.
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  Speaker: If you want to check them out.
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  Speaker: It's really not anything to nothing of note, but I did.
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  Speaker: I was just curious.
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  Speaker: I wanted to see what was there, if there was anything remaining.
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  Speaker: So I appreciate Mark Smith's
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  Speaker: efforts to get me the exact
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  Speaker: location.
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  Speaker: Very much appreciated.
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  Speaker: Well, that brings this mystery to a close.
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  Speaker: And thank you for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker: My next episode, I'm going to be
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  Speaker: focusing on an unsolved murder
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  Speaker: in Henderson, Kentucky,
• 17:22
  Speaker: something I've been looking
• 17:23
  Speaker: into, and it's quite a baffling
• 17:26
  Speaker: case.
• 17:27
  Speaker: And I will probably also be doing another update on the
• 17:31
  Speaker: Teresa Rideout case.
• 17:32
  Speaker: I've been contacted by some of
• 17:35
  Speaker: Teresa Rideout's family and also
• 17:38
  Speaker: some of Jack Barnett's family
• 17:40
  Speaker: members.
• 17:42
  Speaker: I might just do an update episode on that at some point in
• 17:45
  Speaker: the future as well.
• 17:48
  Speaker: You're all invited to join my discord server at RiverCity
• 17:51
  Speaker: Mystery.com/discord where we discuss the episodes.
• 17:56
  Speaker: If you have any topic suggestions or just want to hang
• 17:59
  Speaker: out with people who are also interested in these similar
• 18:01
  Speaker: topics, you're welcome to join.
• 18:04
  Speaker: And that brings us to a close.
• 18:06
  Speaker: Until next time, take care.