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Miguel Conner | The Gnostic Orientation, Simulated Realities, & The Occult Elvis · The Higherside Chats

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  and enjoy.
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  The plan pup and masters
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  almost surely have a plan.
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  There's clearly may be something there beyond the
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  realm of man, but until you've thoroughly test
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  did every last
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  chest view.
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  Furthermore the more you think you know less
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  you really do.
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  Where would we be
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  without
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  Because we know their love into us just
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  don't know to what degree. Yeah. Where would
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  we be?
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  Auntie
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  see
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  the higher side jets show,
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  It's the end of the world as we
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  know it, but I feel fine from the
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  Sunshine state, I'm Greg Carl wood and we
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  regularly ponder what is this earthly habitat?
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  Is it a malnourished
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  extremely exploited an almost unrecognizable garden of Eden?
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  A barren an exhausted shadow of its original
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  grand design just waiting to be stored to
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  former glory?
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  Maybe a material sandbox for spirit to experience
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  a wider spectrum of experience before coming home
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  to the God had to report. Store or
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  some say, perhaps we've been trapped in a
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  fallen state ignorant of a greater reality held
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  hostage by our own limited senses and unknowingly
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  incurring the wrath of false gods that have
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  given into their own insanity,
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  and we might ask if we even truly
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  want these questions answered.
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  Maybe we've become too comfortable within the con
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  of our limitations in the real horror is
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  a and absolute freedom?
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  Would we have the stones to confront our
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  to the grand illusion and wade into the
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  dark unknown waters of the greater truth beyond.
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  Would we have the courage to walk through
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  the big door at the edge of everything
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  if it ever did open for us?
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  Well, these are the thoughts and mu of
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  many outsiders who dared to question the authorities
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  of their day and bravely buck the harsh
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  embrace of so called divine king ships not
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  so loving arms, often at the cost of
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  their own lives,
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  and we remember these groups throughout time as
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  agnostic.
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  Connected and held together only by commonalities
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  in their conclusions to big questions and their
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  unwavering commitment to never bending the fucking knee.
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  And you know I say cheers to that
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  and cheers to today's returning guest Miguel Connor.
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  The self described garage philosopher hedge theologian and
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  general mad across the waters.
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  You know him as the pope of no
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  podcasting with Bite radio and the author of
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  2 volumes of voice of no ism, as
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  well as the post apocalyptic
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  vampire Epic series, the dark instinct trilogy and
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  the fantasy novel, the execution daughter.
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  He's a true fellow traveler on the long
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  trail of Taboo and radical thoughts and ideas.
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  The system says did dare not think.
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  Our no times time keeper and curator of
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  the virtual Alexandria, Miguel. Welcome back.
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  Crown control to major Tom. Thanks for having
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  me back. I think the stars are aligned,
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  whether we're gonna get K
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  or Sophia, I think we'll find out in
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  this interview.
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  Indeed. And this is a real pleasure. I
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  can't believe it's been 7 years since the
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  first time we did this way back in
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  the much simpler times of 20 17.
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  Obviously, long overdue, but 1 of the main
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  catalysts for this is your upcoming conference, Astro
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  3.
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  This time, I'm focusing on Sofia and simulated
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  realities in Wheaton in Illinois, August ninth and
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  tenth. I'm actually going to get out of
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  the house for this 1 to meet you,
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  Chris K, Stephen the Spider Snyder, Mitch H,
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  and
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  more people who I enjoy their work and
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  would like to interview all in the same
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  weekend. Some of my favorite cell in this
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  false reality, but give people the pitch. What's
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  this all about?
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  Well, I mean, as you and I know,
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  we have benefited in this Internet age. We
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  can bitch all we want, but it is
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  such an amazing gift, almost a miracle that
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  we can interact
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  online. We can share ideas online.
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  The world is both a better and worse
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  place because of it.
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  Very grateful, but at the end of the
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  day, it's just pixels. I I see you.
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  You see me. Your audience you, but It
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  is completely
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  fake.
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  So a little bit less fake is always
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  gonna be getting together making the connections creating
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  egg,
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  the real no or the real
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  intense ideas are shared,
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  not just during
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  presentations, but in the hallways at the parties
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  when everybody sort of smoking and drinking their
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  stuff and... Hello. So basically, I started this
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  unique and soul
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  conference, and I actually... It was a friend
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  of mine, Ivan who lives in Mexico.
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  He's an expert at the yi ching, and
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  1 day years ago, he said let's, hey.
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  I just got this message from the Oracle.
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  You should do an no conference,
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  so we did it and it was 20
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  22
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  spring E equifax everything was still locked down.
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  You know, you still had to wear masks
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  on the plane. You still had to get
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  tests. I mean, it was almost insanity. They
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  told us and the oracle told him do
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  it in cancun.
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  So he did, and it was a success.
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  Sometimes he syncs work like you showing up
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  Gordon was traveling that area from Australia, so
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  he was a speaker.
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  Chris was able to go. We got a
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  good group, and we went see the pyramids.
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  We had the party, so it was awesome.
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  So we did 1 last year at the
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  society,
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  here in Wheaton Illinois because the energy there
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  is amazing and their library, their gardens. I
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  mean, you could feel the energy, and we
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  did our second 1 on the Arch archives
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  big success. So now we're doing the third
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  1, on, as you said, Sophia simulated realities
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  and
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  We got a great group. As he said,
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  we got Chris Know, Steven Snyder. We got
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  Richard Sm, Mitch H. We got professors,
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  whose expertise is Ai and where the Occult
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  Ai, we've got
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  astro, will also have workshops, interactive workshops,
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  and meditations because you wanna make it as
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  a experiential as possible,
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  so you will get those altered states
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  there'll be some terror readings and other
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  fun stuff authors will be their signing books,
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  and we will have a social event afterwards,
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  which is always just a lot of fun
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  and it's, again, these connections are so powerful
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  and they stay with you for a long
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  time. So.
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  Just trying to keep it real or at
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  least another form of reality, which is the
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  face to face talk as you know in
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  your show, they wanna keep us separated. They
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  want us sit our house is, they want
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  divide and conquer and for us to order
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  online, never leave our homes,
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  isolated,
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  so they can mine
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  our brains and this is just 1 way
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  to, you know, fight the empire.
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  I love it. Yeah. If you don't go,
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  The empire wins people,
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  guess if we can't get past the big
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  simulation, at least we can transcend the digital
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  1. I love it.
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  So last time we did the no system
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  01:01 stuff, but I was thinking more about
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  the seriousness of it all, and when we
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  talked about the Seth or the Cath?
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  These are groups of people who really are
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  the original conspiracy theorist at a time when
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  kings and priest classes would kill you for
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  even having alternative takes on reality or doubting
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  the dominant paradigm of the day.
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  And oftentimes that is what happened and were
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  left to learn about these people, usually from
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  the ones who slaughtered them in mass. Right?
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  Yes s indeed, I, the No 2000 years
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  ago
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  were talking about ugg, we live in a
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  simulation. Oh, there's the shadowy figures that are
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  pulling the strings. Oh, the individual is this
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  complex.
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  This complex universe within itself that needs to
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  be explored.
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  There should be a divine feminine in christianity
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  for balance sake and we forgotten the ancient
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  God like A asu and a knot, and
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  they were saying these things and they were
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  branded as narcissist
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  insane
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  All of that in suddenly 2000 years later,
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  they seem to be vin, Greg because all
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  these ideas are very except even scientific
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  when you think about it. So
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  that's what happens when you try to pull
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  the veil and that's what happened to the
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  no as you said about being individual,
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  I think the secret book of John says
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  we are the generation without a king and
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  Clement of Alexander says the no are so
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  addicted to the truth that they will never
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  give an oath. They were the original ana
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  kiss
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  The original conspiracy theorist, they were called Paranoid
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  and you guys are seeing too much in
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  2000 years ago by the Church Fathers.
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  And as Chris K very astute says they
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  were History's industry's first Ufo cult.
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  As Eric Davis says, they had sci f
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  sen
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  about
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  universes of light and these creatures in the
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  behind the stars that are controlling us, so
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  My work is to show how relevant and
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  powerful these non stick ideas are and of
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  course, as we talk before the interview, I
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  like to show that They also had a
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  dark side when I tell people and people
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  don't accept in this divide conquered to a
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  list it is that
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  You is right, everything casts a shadow. Everything
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  has its dark side, Christianity
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  islam, atheism.
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  You and I have shadows. It's a cosmic
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  law,
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  and nothing is completely good and completely bad.
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  In the os system despite its ability to
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  break through
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  reality and champion,
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  the
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  individuality in the d of every human being,
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  of course, it has a dark side.
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  Mh.
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  Well said, and for all Jordan Peterson faults,
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  1 thing I always liked that he said
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  was that you can't really truly be good
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  unless you've wrestled with your shadow and you
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  recognize your capacity for evil or just say
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  doing damage.
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  If you don't understand the capacity
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  and your ability to really wreak havoc on
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  the people around you, then you're just naive.
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  And we all know people who are good
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  hearted, good nature and kind of simple,
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  and it's like, well, that's what he's talking
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  about there as opposed to someone who's maybe
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  had a reckless youth
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  and, you know, tore through a few bad
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  relationships and
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  did their fair share damage should then realize,
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  oh, shit. I'm actually pretty powerful. I actually
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  can hurt people really badly, and I don't
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  want to do that. So now I'm gonna
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  rise to the occasion of being a better
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  person. I think that makes a lot of
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  sense. And these agnostic
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  peoples, they didn't want a corrupt
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  liaison to enlightenment. They want a direct experience,
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  and I think that's a noble thing.
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  And I brought this up early because there's
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  a perspective in conspiracy culture today that considers
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  the modern elite
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  orientation to be sick. They seek the stolen
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  gifts of prometheus and through science and technology,
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  seek to up end
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  God's creation quote unquote, the mark of the
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  beast is the smartphone or the vaccine passport
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  to the qr code, and the space programs
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  are all trying to jail break this reality
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  as futile as it might be. But when
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  we see the disdain
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  that human elite have for life
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  nature, the ecosystem, it becomes
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  very evil or at least means spirited,
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  but if this is a simulated reality, a
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  false reality under the thumb of false insane
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  gods and icons, does it even matter if
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  they're trying to tinker under the hood of
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  a false reality.
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  In a way it kinda doesn't.
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  Yeah. That's the argument that you could make
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  but I don't see it as
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  valid. I mean,
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  again, it's the old saying, don't watch what
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  they say watch what they do.
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  And
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  historically, the are the most echo friendly of
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  western culture.
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  I mean, the manic would not walk on
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  grass because they felt God was in every
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  blade of grass and the completely
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  vegetarian.
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  The Cath
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  and the manic and others thought that The
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  divine spark was in a every animal and
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  some thought it was in every rock or
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  stone.
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  Nature was indeed
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  They weren't pant. There were a pen In
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  other words, God is in everything. He's imminent
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  in everything.
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  So our job is humans is to bring
• 18:26
  that d out and each other
• 18:29
  and and
• 18:30
  the entire world, jail break, the divine part
• 18:33
  of the world, and you could take it
• 18:35
  as literally or metaphorically as you want?
• 18:38
  That's up to you.
• 18:40
  Tell people your mileage may vary.
• 18:43
  So they were at Pac they were vegetarian,
• 18:47
  and we hear from the in and church
• 18:50
  fathers, they were the nicest people, the cath
• 18:52
  were called the good ones.
• 18:54
  They cared about their community and all that.
• 18:57
  So it was their ideas
• 18:59
  and the rituals that really
• 19:01
  the powers that b thought were dangerous. So
• 19:05
  the idea that
• 19:07
  reject or hate the world. They hate it
• 19:11
  false worlds. That's what they kept pushing. And
• 19:14
  they kept saying, look, the world in front
• 19:15
  of you is not real. You're not real.
• 19:18
  There's a deeper part of you and nate
• 19:20
  sure that you're not looking at. Sure. We
• 19:22
  can look at a nice sunset or you
• 19:24
  can look at the beach.
• 19:26
  But there's much more. You're not looking at
• 19:28
  the full reality. There is a deeper d
• 19:32
  that brings a sense of x to ecstasy,
• 19:34
  but there's also a deeper suffering
• 19:37
  that we mostly miss we can look in
• 19:39
  nature of people and not see how they're
• 19:41
  suffering.
• 19:42
  And if we don't see how they're suffering,
• 19:44
  we can't take the steps to help him
• 19:46
  and heal them, na,
• 19:48
  At his core as April to iconic and
• 19:51
  other scholars that said was a about healing,
• 19:53
  healing your mind, healing the world,
• 19:56
  and healing your soul,
• 19:58
  and healing people's physical body, some of the
• 20:01
  rituals was just 2000 years ago just sitting
• 20:04
  around talking about your problems.
• 20:06
  And the other 1 too was to be
• 20:09
  fully human, people think that the no sticks
• 20:12
  were about, oh, I'm gonna escape the world
• 20:14
  and fly away. Now is you made contact
• 20:16
  with this alien God
• 20:18
  and this alien god transformed you into human.
• 20:22
  It was the her who said that We
• 20:25
  humans have a special place in this universe.
• 20:27
  We are not the Gods, but we're not
• 20:29
  animals.
• 20:30
  We are the mediator. We are where the
• 20:32
  fallen angel meets the rising 8. Borrowing from
• 20:35
  a a writer. So when we know our
• 20:38
  place in this universe, when we're fully human,
• 20:41
  we can change things so well in a
• 20:44
  way that the gods and the animals will
• 20:46
  appreciate our role in the universe. I hope
• 20:49
  I didn't go too much an attention. They're
• 20:51
  gray.
• 20:52
  No. That's really interesting to me because I
• 20:55
  think there is a perspective where a lot
• 20:57
  of people
• 20:58
  take this logical track of well No think
• 21:01
  we're in a simulation and thus,
• 21:04
  they don't respect it and wanna break it
• 21:07
  and the simulation is the world we know.
• 21:10
  The physical world we know. So...
• 21:12
  It is true. It's interesting though to hear
• 21:14
  that they actually had reverence for it they
• 21:16
  just were trying to say, no. There's stuff
• 21:18
  underneath. There's a
• 21:20
  connectivity to everything and maybe a bit of
• 21:22
  an an perspective, and that's maybe what they
• 21:25
  were trying to.
• 21:26
  Express.
• 21:28
  Very true because for the origins of g
• 21:31
  ism since we last talked, I think Scholarship
• 21:33
  is putting them more into ancient Egypt. They
• 21:36
  were the carriers
• 21:37
  of these ancient Egyptian mysteries that really expanded
• 21:41
  your consciousness.
• 21:43
  But the other 1 too is that the
• 21:44
  no were smuggling
• 21:46
  this ancient an spirit of ash asu
• 21:50
  and a knot and other spirit that were
• 21:53
  suppressed by the cult of Y when Judaism
• 21:56
  decided.
• 21:57
  During the rings of king, Jo and He,
• 22:00
  they decide alright. We want the cult of
• 22:02
  Y this male, powerful God to be it.
• 22:07
  And they suppressed Shi in the ancient an
• 22:10
  and shamanism of solomon and the prophets and
• 22:14
  all that and
• 22:15
  Some say like Margaret Barker, who's 1 of
• 22:18
  the greatest biblical scholars of today that basically
• 22:22
  the
• 22:23
  hid
• 22:24
  Ash in this magic and then brought it
• 22:27
  out during the g Roman times,
• 22:30
  and basically, Sophia is a,
• 22:33
  Christ is the original concert of Ash asu
• 22:36
  before it got changed around and the Ae
• 22:39
  are just the ancient spirits of this an
• 22:43
  world that the hebrews lived in and they
• 22:45
  were sort of smuggling them around through Jesus
• 22:48
  through Simon Mag through Mary Mag. So
• 22:51
  I think that's an interesting theory and like,
• 22:53
  and I'm just mentioning because you did say
• 22:55
  an is yes. And Gordon would agree. There
• 22:57
  is an an.
• 22:59
  Sense to the au when Gordon and Talk,
• 23:02
  we say, yeah, but they really went for
• 23:04
  the tricks part of shamanism
• 23:06
  to them When you read that Os Gospel
• 23:09
  Jesus Sophia, they fall into the tricks mentality.
• 23:13
  So,
• 23:14
  originally also they really
• 23:16
  perhaps it was set, perhaps it was hermes,
• 23:19
  perhaps it was some tricks spirit, but that's
• 23:22
  where they leaned into was the tricks
• 23:24
  mentality.
• 23:25
  Mh.
• 23:26
  Yeah. I think this is really useful because
• 23:29
  the conspiracy minded person, I think sometimes gets
• 23:32
  paranoid
• 23:33
  about am I on the right team? Am
• 23:35
  I falling for some deception? Am I being
• 23:38
  tricked and inc into a
• 23:40
  bad mythos and a bad way of looking
• 23:43
  at the world, and it's really hard to
• 23:45
  unravel because history is full of just propaganda
• 23:48
  and mis,
• 23:50
  and you have to put these people in
• 23:53
  their time in place like There's an argument
• 23:55
  to say that most of western society, the
• 23:58
  history
• 23:59
  of authority kind of boils down to
• 24:02
  trying to mono
• 24:04
  people's thoughts largely about the spiritual,
• 24:08
  you know, Christianity and catholicism for a long
• 24:11
  period of time and killing off any competition
• 24:13
  to this narrow
• 24:15
  perspective where we will be the liaison to
• 24:17
  your enlightenment
• 24:18
  and
• 24:20
  I think that's pretty valid as a perspective,
• 24:23
  but when you put these people back in
• 24:26
  their
• 24:27
  time in place. That rebellion makes perfect sense.
• 24:29
  It was a bloody, deadly time for anyone
• 24:32
  who dared challenged the paradigm.
• 24:34
  But today because we are kind of free
• 24:37
  to have most
• 24:39
  thoughts, you see this huge contingency of the
• 24:42
  conspiracy culture drifting towards being a good little
• 24:45
  conventional Christian, and that seems odd to me.
• 24:48
  I think we're supposed to be
• 24:50
  rebels, and that tendency doesn't feel very
• 24:54
  rebellious to me, but I could see how
• 24:58
  only in this little
• 24:59
  particular time in place it kind of
• 25:02
  is because it's the opposite of atheism, which
• 25:05
  is kind of the dominant cy
• 25:08
  atheism thing, but
• 25:09
  If you take the longer arc of human
• 25:11
  history, this has been kind of the control
• 25:14
  mechanism, the weaponized
• 25:16
  philosophy of most of that story.
• 25:20
  Oh, yeah. I would agree. I think Greg,
• 25:22
  my ideas is that
• 25:25
  Yes. You see a lot of individuals again,
• 25:27
  Jordan Peterson.
• 25:29
  I was what's the name of the comedian?
• 25:31
  He was Katy Perry husband,
• 25:34
  Russell Brand. Russell brand, you see a 2
• 25:37
  with colleagues and acquaintances that really going into
• 25:40
  Christianity.
• 25:41
  And they've turned on me about no and
• 25:44
  I am compassion because I realized
• 25:46
  2016,
• 25:48
  I think is when this mess started. I'd
• 25:50
  like to say David Bowie died or whatever
• 25:53
  something was happening 2016,
• 25:55
  we got the greatest tricks of them all
• 25:58
  Trump.
• 25:59
  And then we had this fog of war
• 26:02
  with the lockdown downs with everything this happened.
• 26:05
  There was a great awakening
• 26:08
  But this brought a lot of chaos or
• 26:10
  we had to face the chaos. People had
• 26:13
  to see
• 26:14
  that our government was a lie that our
• 26:16
  history is a lie that we are a
• 26:18
  alive. That's the other
• 26:20
  step into,
• 26:21
  that is hard to swallow.
• 26:24
  So it makes sense that a lot of
• 26:25
  people would wanna go to Y in the
• 26:28
  Bible because he is the God of order.
• 26:30
  Maybe he says it. There's
• 26:32
  Christianity, you do these steps, you read this
• 26:35
  book.
• 26:35
  Everything's gonna work out just half faith. So
• 26:39
  I could see it, but I think people
• 26:40
  like you and I, Greg is no. We
• 26:42
  know how to surf the chaos. We've been
• 26:44
  doing it all our lives. So we don't
• 26:47
  have a problem
• 26:49
  feeling like we're fake or that our histories
• 26:51
  lie or going deeper into all these spirit
• 26:54
  and balancing them out and put it, you
• 26:56
  know, We embrace the tricks to spirit,
• 27:00
  which leads to innovation and new ideas and
• 27:03
  a new world, but I can understand people
• 27:06
  going into, you know, greek orthodox is very
• 27:09
  popular in the conspiracy theory world isn't it?
• 27:13
  So I understand people want order because
• 27:16
  we live in a time of chaos of
• 27:18
  the tricks,
• 27:19
  but I to tell them
• 27:21
  We are just getting started. Hang on for
• 27:24
  the ride because don't you feel Greg, we
• 27:26
  are just at the tip of the iceberg
• 27:28
  when it comes to revelations could conspiracy
• 27:31
  religious. We're just getting warmed up.
• 27:34
  Yeah. I do agree with that. And if
• 27:36
  you can't take the heat now,
• 27:39
  Wow. I mean, it's only gonna get hotter.
• 27:41
  Go to a monastery if that'll make you
• 27:43
  happy.
• 27:44
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 27:45
  And I also like to say we're
• 27:47
  exploring ideas. You cannot come to a paradigm
• 27:52
  or a philosophy
• 27:53
  with confidence if you haven't
• 27:55
  explored all the ideas just because I interview
• 27:58
  a scholar of Crowley does not mean I'm
• 28:01
  advocating to be A follower of Crowley, I'm
• 28:04
  trying to see if I've been lied to
• 28:07
  about this guy or if my intuitions are
• 28:09
  correct and We have to do that. We
• 28:11
  have to try on different hats to find
• 28:13
  the 1 that truly fits us. And if
• 28:15
  you're
• 28:17
  demon
• 28:18
  a person for exploring ideas. I think you're
• 28:20
  no better than the bad guys. You know,
• 28:22
  you say virtual Alexandria, this is a place
• 28:25
  to share ideas. You know, that's kinda your
• 28:27
  whole branding is, we're
• 28:29
  talking about here ideas. I like that you
• 28:32
  use here
• 28:33
  as like a badge of honor in a
• 28:35
  sense.
• 28:36
  And we're lucky that we have the ability
• 28:38
  and freedom too,
• 28:39
  go into those theoretical ideas, But today's theoretical
• 28:42
  ideas are the conspiracies, you know, because spirituality
• 28:45
  basically dripped out of mainstream
• 28:47
  culture, and now it's
• 28:49
  to doubt climate science to doubt,
• 28:53
  virus science to doubt all this kind of
• 28:55
  stuff. You know, you can't doubt that America's
• 28:58
  the good guys fighting
• 29:00
  the evil around the world, but let's
• 29:03
  bring this back to an agnostic sec that
• 29:06
  people know the K r's and try to
• 29:08
  flush this out because a lot of it
• 29:10
  does
• 29:11
  relate to their
• 29:13
  reputation. I've read estimates that 200000
• 29:15
  to a million people were killed by the
• 29:17
  church in the case of the Cath
• 29:20
  And then the church says well, we did
• 29:22
  that because these people were bad. They were
• 29:24
  doing dark evil things. And it feels like
• 29:26
  a recurring theme in this place that kings
• 29:29
  and presidents and priests and pope leave campaigns
• 29:32
  to slaughter, huge numbers of people that they
• 29:35
  can't seem to control, But because they tell
• 29:37
  their obedient masses that these people were savage
• 29:40
  indians or freedom hating terrorists or Satan Worshiping
• 29:43
  magic users,
• 29:45
  people say, oh, okay. Well, I'm glad you
• 29:47
  got them then because who knows what kind
• 29:49
  damage they could have done,
• 29:51
  and it's just so weird that that
• 29:54
  that little trick works when these the people
• 29:57
  doing the massive damage, brutally slaughtering huge groups
• 30:00
  of people
• 30:01
  because they're doing things their own way or
• 30:03
  just doing things differently and it's wild we
• 30:06
  accept that propaganda
• 30:07
  when we know
• 30:09
  who the mass murderers are, but how does
• 30:11
  this play into the stories of the Cath
• 30:13
  r's and other
• 30:15
  groups that are considered no because
• 30:18
  From a certain perspective,
• 30:21
  they have a really bad
• 30:22
  reputation,
• 30:23
  and that's because when you kill a bunch
• 30:25
  of people and you destroy their material and
• 30:28
  then you get to tell the world about
• 30:29
  them. They usually seem bad, but I guess,
• 30:32
  correct the record on that and
• 30:35
  talk us about how we even get good
• 30:37
  information about these groups when so much of
• 30:39
  it was destroyed.
• 30:41
  Well, again, it just takes gathering of scholarship
• 30:44
  because you're right, we have no surviving Cath.
• 30:47
  Writing it's everything that was sent through the
• 30:49
  in intuit, and I should mention that The
• 30:52
  acquisition started with the cath cassettes. That's when
• 30:56
  the church really used. It was the... Their
• 30:58
  experiment at controlling society
• 31:01
  and projecting their shadow on a minority and
• 31:05
  grabbing their lands and and all that. They
• 31:07
  went to the cath cassettes, and then they
• 31:08
  started moving to, you know, Jews and women
• 31:11
  and But, whoever was in their way, classic,
• 31:14
  same as it ever was, but
• 31:16
  we know even from record that we have
• 31:19
  the Cath again, as I mentioned, were very
• 31:22
  eco friendly they were beloved,
• 31:24
  by their people in southern France, in that
• 31:27
  providence. They were enlightened.
• 31:29
  It was a great time in the, you
• 31:31
  know, 12 thirteenth century where you had ka
• 31:34
  and Cath sars,
• 31:35
  women had more rights,
• 31:38
  and it was just a beautiful place some
• 31:40
  say that A was being practiced in southern
• 31:43
  France I've had guests talk about magical portals,
• 31:46
  so it was a beautiful time, but something
• 31:48
  like this was just not gonna be allowed.
• 31:51
  To exist because again, the church was starting
• 31:54
  to centralize
• 31:55
  itself,
• 31:56
  and it needed to make an example out
• 31:58
  of people, and again, the cath and their
• 32:01
  ideas of pretty much how again we live
• 32:04
  in a simulation,
• 32:06
  by then, you know, a thousand years later,
• 32:08
  the idea of the demi was lost, so
• 32:11
  Satan was the demi he was the creator
• 32:13
  of this world, they called them the king
• 32:15
  of this world,
• 32:17
  bringing in titanic, the cosmo crater,
• 32:20
  Rex Moon,
• 32:21
  and he was keeping us trapped. We were
• 32:24
  basically
• 32:25
  angels that had been convinced or dupe into
• 32:27
  being human.
• 32:29
  And through certain rituals, we get awaken into
• 32:32
  ourselves. The Cath qatar rejected the old testament.
• 32:35
  They only
• 32:36
  red really the gospel of John and a
• 32:39
  few others. There's certainly evidence that the Cath
• 32:42
  sars and the knights temp were rubbing shoulders
• 32:45
  because
• 32:46
  Well, there's a lot of evidence on that
• 32:48
  1, too, if you wanna get into it,
• 32:51
  and we also have reconstruction of their gospel
• 32:54
  bowls and their mythology
• 32:55
  all that. So I think it's pretty valid.
• 32:58
  This day and age. We've separated the wheat
• 33:00
  from the shaft.
• 33:01
  And, yeah, what we have is a complete
• 33:04
  horrible tragedy that should have never happened. I
• 33:07
  mean, the cath did not survive.
• 33:10
  There are rumors that some of them may,
• 33:12
  but for the most part, they were yet.
• 33:14
  Hundreds of thousands,
• 33:16
  including catholics were destroyed. You know that saying,
• 33:19
  kill them all and led god's sort amount.
• 33:22
  That was, I think the bishop of To
• 33:23
  lose or went northern French royal who said
• 33:27
  that, he asked the church. You know, the
• 33:29
  cath are mixing up with the Catholics. It's
• 33:31
  kinda like today with the... You have the
• 33:34
  Hamas and the Palestinians
• 33:36
  and the bishop was like, kill him all,
• 33:38
  God will know his own.
• 33:41
  So again, this sort of rhythm
• 33:43
  happens throughout history as Mark Twain said, history
• 33:46
  doesn't repeat, but it certainly rhymes, and it
• 33:49
  goes back to the simulation. Right, Greg. It's
• 33:51
  almost like there's a theme
• 33:53
  we cannot get out of.
• 33:55
  Yeah. It's just so crazy how the propaganda
• 33:58
  works. You just say, well, they were doing
• 33:59
  bad things, so we slaughtered them in mass,
• 34:02
  burned them at the stake, and
• 34:04
  we saved you, and it's like, well, what
• 34:06
  were they doing that was worse than what
• 34:08
  you just did. But when we talk about
• 34:11
  magic, like, that's another huge
• 34:14
  avenue of propaganda, I would say where
• 34:18
  I consider it to be just like flexing
• 34:21
  our deeper
• 34:22
  largely
• 34:24
  muscles. That's kinda what I think magic is
• 34:26
  maybe sigh and mental muscles you could say.
• 34:29
  And obviously, authorities never want us to have
• 34:31
  any personal power. So it's considered an evil
• 34:34
  taboo. We hear stories that the knights temp
• 34:36
  were worshiping Ba
• 34:39
  for power and kissing each other's assholes as
• 34:41
  if god would care.
• 34:43
  And then, you know, purposely trying to offend
• 34:45
  God and appeal to demons who take gl
• 34:48
  in that but we're told this by the
• 34:50
  people who were torturing
• 34:51
  the knights temp and burning them alive and
• 34:54
  grinding
• 34:55
  their ideology down to dust. So I think
• 34:58
  it's pretty clear to see who the bad
• 35:00
  guy is in that story. But what would
• 35:02
  you say about
• 35:03
  some of these groups
• 35:05
  who are practicing Magic, the K r's, like,
• 35:07
  they're blending magic and Christianity
• 35:10
  in a way, At least that's the gist
• 35:12
  that I see
• 35:14
  And
• 35:15
  that is the thing that allows the door
• 35:17
  to open to the propaganda of well, they're
• 35:19
  drinking children's blood.
• 35:21
  And it's like, well, I think there's a
• 35:23
  lot of magic in between
• 35:25
  drinking people's blood and then something like just
• 35:28
  pain attention to numero neurology and astrology.
• 35:31
  You know, It's like,
• 35:32
  it reminds me of people saying, don't try
• 35:36
  marijuana because all of a sudden you're gonna
• 35:38
  be a heroin junkie, and it's like, yes.
• 35:40
  Some people do... There are heroin junkie. Yes.
• 35:43
  That is an extreme
• 35:44
  and magic could scale up to experimenting with
• 35:48
  really dark things, which I think does happen
• 35:51
  behind the curtain.
• 35:52
  But I don't know if it's these individuals
• 35:54
  who are doing it. You say they kinda
• 35:57
  committed to
• 35:58
  purity, ce c, and didn't indulge in earthly
• 36:02
  pleasures. I almost get kind of a robin
• 36:04
  hood vibe
• 36:06
  from their attitude of their day amongst their
• 36:08
  communities and stuff, but talk to us a
• 36:10
  little bit about magic and what we know
• 36:12
  about Cath Magic and the knights temp and
• 36:16
  all these people who are Christian adjacent but
• 36:19
  just not Christian enough and had to be
• 36:20
  killed off. What were they really doing with
• 36:22
  their magic?
• 36:24
  Well, yeah, for the temp, I certainly would
• 36:26
  recommend you take up Tracy T and Alex
• 36:30
  Rivera, a ba,
• 36:32
  secrets reveal because she makes such an excellent
• 36:36
  argument that ba simply means baptism of Sophia.
• 36:40
  And she puts this great argument that the
• 36:42
  temp like the Cath
• 36:44
  we're keeping these ancient Secrets.
• 36:47
  Now some of them may have been dark,
• 36:49
  some of it may have not been But
• 36:51
  I think we have to get to the
• 36:53
  idea of magic because what's the old saying
• 36:56
  we practice
• 36:58
  religion, they practice magic.
• 37:00
  Okay. What's the... You know, the Catholic mass
• 37:02
  is pretty magical.
• 37:04
  And as I think Robert Connor said magic
• 37:07
  is
• 37:08
  religion for the individual and religion is magic
• 37:12
  for the masses. So the term is very
• 37:14
  elastic and gets weaponized
• 37:17
  many times,
• 37:18
  but what is it? I agree with Gordon
• 37:21
  White. He says magic is being a c
• 37:23
  creator with the universe.
• 37:25
  And, of course, then there's the crowley
• 37:28
  term, which is, you know, a change in
• 37:29
  consciousness in accordance to the will
• 37:32
  Whatever... But I think at the core,
• 37:35
  na since thousands of years ago were shaman.
• 37:39
  And again, this is supported by all
• 37:42
  Latest
• 37:43
  sober scholarship.
• 37:44
  They were cha they were about altered states
• 37:47
  of mind to reach higher worlds
• 37:50
  and receive the healing or
• 37:53
  information of these higher worlds and these higher
• 37:56
  beings, the aa. And, of course,
• 37:59
  because they were part of the Egyptian matrix,
• 38:02
  part of this flying out of your body,
• 38:05
  meant you had to deal with the den
• 38:07
  of the stars, these icons that control the
• 38:10
  dimensions and you had to give them passwords
• 38:12
  or
• 38:13
  prayers to overcome them. So it really was
• 38:16
  sort of this out of body journey
• 38:18
  to meet this alien God or the 1
• 38:21
  of plato doh, whatever you wanna call it
• 38:24
  for healing,
• 38:25
  for an expansion of consciousness,
• 38:27
  for answers to your life,
• 38:30
  Whatever you wanna call it, and it wasn't
• 38:32
  that rare. The neo plate certainly did that,
• 38:34
  Mer a jews,
• 38:36
  the cult mit thrust,
• 38:38
  the mystery religions, there was a part as
• 38:40
  They say of every religion where, you know,
• 38:43
  there's 1 side who just wants to do
• 38:45
  the rituals, go to church on Sunday and
• 38:48
  then just, you know, hope I'll be fine
• 38:50
  in the afterlife, but there was always those
• 38:52
  who have this thirst to look behind the
• 38:55
  veil
• 38:56
  and rise through the different worlds
• 38:59
  and make contact with these higher beings. So
• 39:02
  very normal in shamanism today, I've done
• 39:05
  I Ayahuasca it was Santo dim a few
• 39:07
  times and I have had that experience where
• 39:10
  all of the sudden I'm like, oh, shit.
• 39:12
  I'm am leaving my body.
• 39:13
  And I am just journey up into this
• 39:16
  world and I am meeting creatures and all
• 39:18
  that, and I am, like, I don't care
• 39:20
  if this is real or not. It actually
• 39:22
  was real... I could prove it,
• 39:24
  but
• 39:25
  that is
• 39:27
  something that people perhaps like you and I
• 39:29
  just have a thirst and prove throughout history,
• 39:32
  the shaman and the witch doctor and the
• 39:35
  medicine women were honored. That was her job.
• 39:37
  Right? They were the spiritual troubleshoot.
• 39:40
  They were the ones who went into the
• 39:42
  spirit world and brought back recipes for medicine
• 39:45
  and magic spells.
• 39:47
  And it was all to help the tribe.
• 39:49
  It was to help the tribe grow, and
• 39:52
  that as
• 39:53
  civilization got more left brain, kinda got cut
• 39:56
  out. We no longer
• 39:59
  respect the shaman or the no or the
• 40:01
  mystic or they have to be under our
• 40:03
  control like it happens in the Catholic church
• 40:06
  with
• 40:07
  saying John and others were that's fine but
• 40:09
  we'll lock you up, but everything has to
• 40:11
  be within the con of us, so church
• 40:14
  I think that's what you would say No
• 40:16
  magic is, but they had folk magic, you
• 40:19
  have no spells where there's, healing spells and
• 40:22
  it'll say do this, take that. Some in
• 40:24
  this creature, and you will be healed of
• 40:27
  whatever ailments you have, but That's been pretty
• 40:30
  normal in an
• 40:32
  or c
• 40:34
  throughout history. Nothing strange and obviously, A,
• 40:37
  came from the No stick matrix in upper
• 40:40
  Egypt.
• 40:41
  Mh.
• 40:42
  I think that's a great summary. There are
• 40:43
  clearly Shaman who do operate. From ego
• 40:47
  and they like to abuse the power they've
• 40:50
  achieved. But for the most part, it does
• 40:51
  seem like a service what A priest sleep
• 40:55
  class should be doing.
• 40:56
  And
• 40:57
  the terms I hear most often are healing,
• 41:01
  Hidden knowledge
• 41:03
  and soul retrieval.
• 41:05
  There's a lot of stories of a person
• 41:06
  who gets sick and the s says, oh,
• 41:08
  well, something's going on in the astra plane
• 41:10
  with your spiritual twin. Let me go out
• 41:12
  there and fix that for you and unravel
• 41:14
  that mess, and then they come down in
• 41:16
  the person's healed. It's like, what
• 41:18
  But it's certainly not evil. It's just bizarre.
• 41:20
  And I think there's a really also interesting
• 41:23
  bizarre overlap with modern Ufo
• 41:26
  encounters and people who then come out of
• 41:29
  that with a call to basically be a
• 41:31
  shaman,
• 41:32
  and it's like, wow. I wonder if that's
• 41:34
  how some of this got kicked off in
• 41:36
  the beginning or if it's the
• 41:39
  safety valve of the universe to be like,
• 41:41
  you need more shaman
• 41:42
  send out the sauce.
• 41:44
  And what do you think about that overlap?
• 41:46
  Yeah. For sure. For sure. Yeah. Ufo.
• 41:50
  People who are abducted by Ufo,
• 41:52
  statistically, their lives change for the better.
• 41:56
  They get degrees. They change their lives
• 41:59
  they affect others, so there is
• 42:01
  certainly a parallel of making contact with this
• 42:04
  other
• 42:05
  with these different intelligence and transforming your lives.
• 42:08
  And again, this should not be different. I
• 42:10
  mean, as you say, today, it has changed.
• 42:13
  Suddenly, psychedelics
• 42:14
  are more important
• 42:16
  Altered states of mind are being championed, but
• 42:19
  again, there's a lot of hu out there
• 42:21
  and it always comes down, doesn't matter what
• 42:23
  you're doing?
• 42:25
  Have a good hero fund. Have a good
• 42:27
  shame to take you. It does... I mean,
• 42:30
  Same Catholicism And when I was a catholic,
• 42:32
  I'd be like, Oh my god. We joined
• 42:34
  this church and this priest gives the worst
• 42:36
  sermon. He has the worst advice during confession,
• 42:39
  but then at another church, I'm like this
• 42:41
  guy gets it, and he's so great. So
• 42:43
  yeah, humans are humans and always find you
• 42:46
  gotta find a good teacher to take you
• 42:48
  through the other side.
• 42:50
  Mh.
• 42:51
  Indeed, and I am kinda with you that
• 42:53
  I agree that a lot of these things
• 42:55
  blossom back
• 42:56
  into society that have been cut out is
• 42:58
  a good thing. It's a return to form.
• 43:00
  A lot of times it's using things that
• 43:02
  are just in nature that are probably there
• 43:05
  for the seekers, for these exact reasons. If
• 43:09
  the creator of this world didn't ever want
• 43:11
  us to know of anything else, then there
• 43:13
  wouldn't be mushrooms growing around, and, you know,
• 43:17
  wheat growing. It's called weed for a reason.
• 43:18
  It's pretty easy to grow if you let
• 43:20
  it grow. And
• 43:22
  there is this modern conspiracy framing that trans
• 43:27
  is agnostic or that that's the dominant off
• 43:30
  of the day. I agree that it's the
• 43:31
  dominant off of the day and the trajectory
• 43:34
  that they're trying to push us towards where
• 43:37
  we are kind of enslaved through technology,
• 43:41
  but that's not
• 43:43
  agnostic to me. Like, you could say that
• 43:45
  people loop in the trans and they're like,
• 43:47
  well, they're trying to make us all
• 43:49
  just this big blob person that's half cy
• 43:52
  board.
• 43:53
  And that's another form of enslave. That's not
• 43:56
  enlightenment. That's just a deeper level of enslave
• 43:59
  to technology.
• 44:01
  It's a weaponized
• 44:02
  no.
• 44:03
  It's a red herring. Like you say, you
• 44:05
  need
• 44:06
  people you can trust on the journey because
• 44:08
  there's a lot of hu, and there's a
• 44:10
  lot of people trying to take a truth
• 44:12
  and then
• 44:14
  twist it down a dark alley, and now
• 44:17
  you're stuck. And I think that's what trans
• 44:19
  is, I don't think it's necessarily agnostic on
• 44:21
  its surface. You look at the matrix and
• 44:22
  you say, oh, it's a agnostic tail and
• 44:24
  it involves the machines taking over and so
• 44:27
  thus trans is agnostic, but no. It's using
• 44:32
  some
• 44:33
  cherry picked aspects of g ism to sell
• 44:36
  you
• 44:37
  another
• 44:39
  delusion because the leader always selling us some
• 44:43
  negative,
• 44:44
  perspective, and so that's... That's what I see
• 44:46
  is, like, you have to make the case.
• 44:47
  You have to make the sale as they
• 44:49
  say. You can't just say, oh, well, we're
• 44:51
  trying to enslave you all. We're trying to
• 44:53
  fuck your whole world
• 44:54
  You can't say that. You gotta sell people
• 44:56
  on it. So that's what I think they're
• 44:58
  doing is selling it. In this agnostic,
• 45:01
  trans,
• 45:02
  next evolution of man kind of thing, but
• 45:05
  it's just a it's another dark alley,
• 45:08
  Oh, yeah. For sure. Again, as I mentioned,
• 45:10
  and then Oz texts are very
• 45:12
  focused on this and you see it the
• 45:14
  ritual.
• 45:15
  It's not about leaving your humanity evolving. It's
• 45:18
  about embracing your humanity.
• 45:20
  I mean, the like other ancient and shaman
• 45:23
  believe we've got everything we need to be
• 45:26
  healthy to be sane.
• 45:28
  To be powerful. We are innate magic. We
• 45:31
  have the as the her says as above
• 45:33
  so below as within so without. We are
• 45:36
  in the universe, but the universe is in
• 45:38
  our minds. The human
• 45:40
  mind is limitless, and it can heal our
• 45:43
  body. It can
• 45:44
  find
• 45:45
  solutions and that's what the were champion. I
• 45:48
  mean, look at the matrix,
• 45:50
  Neo doesn't defeat the agents in the first
• 45:53
  movie because he figures out some technology. He
• 45:56
  just simply wakes up, to his own humanity
• 45:59
  to his own innate power
• 46:01
  to see beyond the
• 46:03
  simulation.
• 46:03
  So, yeah, I would say trans
• 46:05
  is a corrupt form of
• 46:08
  g ism obviously tools are important as the
• 46:11
  myth of prometheus goes.
• 46:14
  Zeus didn't give us claws or wings or
• 46:18
  all that cool stuff. Were just hair monkeys.
• 46:22
  So prometheus, the tricks had to give us
• 46:24
  fire from the Gods or again, the watchers
• 46:28
  had to give us tools too, You have
• 46:30
  this story. Anu
• 46:32
  all that. Our power is that we are
• 46:34
  able to use the techno, the technology
• 46:38
  to better ourselves and stand up against Olympus
• 46:41
  against the,
• 46:42
  but we're not supposed to mel,
• 46:45
  like the bo or something else into cy.
• 46:49
  The technologies and extension of our mind and
• 46:52
  our potential as humans.
• 46:54
  Yeah. Well said, well said, and maybe this
• 46:57
  is a
• 46:58
  Stupid stone thought I haven't even smoked today,
• 47:00
  but I've smoked enough that I don't know
• 47:01
  if I'm ever truly not high.
• 47:04
  But it's like the 5 most dangerous words
• 47:07
  to the sis them, whether it's religion,
• 47:10
  government, at any point in history or pretty
• 47:12
  much...
• 47:13
  I have everything I need.
• 47:15
  Yeah.
• 47:17
  I think that's kind of interesting because it's
• 47:20
  like, I don't need your religious authority. I
• 47:22
  don't... I just don't need you. And the
• 47:24
  system loves to be needed and likes to
• 47:26
  make you feel inadequate, hey, there's a whole
• 47:29
  and we're gonna fill it for you.
• 47:31
  And, I think that's the way the system
• 47:33
  is always operated. You have to make the
• 47:35
  person feel inadequate
• 47:37
  lesser than
• 47:39
  And then you say, well, we got the
• 47:40
  solution right here.
• 47:42
  And it's just that simple, but you mentioned
• 47:45
  that you could prove that your Ayahuasca ex
• 47:47
  experience
• 47:48
  were real. And I think anyone who has
• 47:50
  their own out of body, psychedelic,
• 47:52
  transformative
• 47:53
  experience knows what they need to know. But
• 47:56
  how would you say that you could prove
• 47:58
  that it was real?
• 48:00
  While I'm glad you asked, Greg, because I
• 48:02
  do have the proof.
• 48:04
  This was 1 of my first ones, I
• 48:06
  think it was 2006,
• 48:08
  I call it my B experience and it
• 48:10
  was a huge group in port, my uncle.
• 48:13
  He's the shaman, the head of the Portuguese
• 48:16
  Ib church. And we were doing... That it
• 48:18
  was like 50 people and we're doing Ayahuasca.
• 48:21
  In Central D, for hours, 4 6 hours.
• 48:24
  You're playing the instruments dancing,
• 48:26
  you're singing all these H Christian songs, but
• 48:29
  somehow they keep you grounded. I can't explain
• 48:32
  it,
• 48:32
  but as we're doing it,
• 48:34
  I just sat down and I started leaving
• 48:37
  my body.
• 48:38
  And I am going up up, and I
• 48:40
  am leaving the church,
• 48:42
  which is next to my uncle uncles house.
• 48:44
  He built the church next to it. And
• 48:47
  I am going up, and I am going
• 48:49
  into this place of complete darkness of void
• 48:52
  and it's stirring
• 48:54
  and I look up and I say,
• 48:56
  it's a b. Some I call this being
• 48:58
  a ab b,
• 48:59
  and it was staring back at me
• 49:02
  And I had this horrible sense of negativity
• 49:05
  or and maybe was just this sort of
• 49:07
  scary eye. And I was like, If I
• 49:09
  keep going this being of ab access is
• 49:11
  just gonna
• 49:12
  swallow me because I have noticed it.
• 49:16
  As this was happening, my aunt, she's in
• 49:19
  the house next door Greg,
• 49:21
  she had a broken leg.
• 49:23
  And she said that in the middle of
• 49:25
  the night because it was really late, She
• 49:27
  woke up and she said, if Miguel doesn't
• 49:29
  come down, he's never gonna come back. So
• 49:32
  my end gets in a chair with her
• 49:33
  broken leg and she's got a broom.
• 49:36
  She goes out of the house. She's going
• 49:37
  around the corner of the neighborhood
• 49:40
  And suddenly, my uncle says he thought everything
• 49:43
  was fine. I was sitting there. He's,
• 49:45
  again, orchestrating the entire event.
• 49:48
  My aunt suddenly like burst in,
• 49:51
  and she's like, screaming at my uncle,
• 49:54
  wake me miguel up. He's too far out.
• 49:57
  He's not coming back ryan goes like, holy
• 50:00
  shit. So he looks around sees I'm over
• 50:02
  there in 1 part of the room and
• 50:03
  he goes and he did, like, shakes me.
• 50:05
  And suddenly in my head, I am coming
• 50:07
  down and I woke up and I'm like,
• 50:09
  oh, hey.
• 50:10
  And he was like,
• 50:11
  then my aunt was like, oh, thank God.
• 50:13
  So
• 50:14
  How did she know that I was in
• 50:16
  trouble that I was... Because not everybody gets
• 50:18
  an of body experience some people have?
• 50:21
  Vision, some people just get high, some people
• 50:24
  just get emotional. It's kinda rare for somebody
• 50:27
  to leave their bodies unless and says how
• 50:30
  did she know at that time to wake
• 50:32
  up and get me. So there is something
• 50:34
  there. There was something there, Greg.
• 50:36
  Hell, yeah. That mirrors my own experience when
• 50:39
  I went out of body, I could see
• 50:41
  from
• 50:42
  a bird's eye view
• 50:44
  the 2 friends I was with shaking me
• 50:46
  in the chair, like, trying to get me
• 50:47
  to wake up, and I was watching them,
• 50:49
  like, I can either go back and
• 50:51
  make them more comfortable or I can go
• 50:53
  see what's going on up here in this
• 50:54
  weird experience I'm having, but I could come
• 50:56
  back. And then at the end of it,
• 50:58
  I explain what I thought happen. And I'm
• 51:00
  like, I could see you guys shaking me
• 51:02
  and and they're were like, yeah, we were
• 51:03
  doing that. I'm like, well, yeah, I mean,
• 51:05
  not exactly as extreme confirmation as your own,
• 51:08
  but Somewhere in the ballpark of what people
• 51:11
  experience without a body near earth experiences on
• 51:13
  the surgery table, you know, and they see
• 51:15
  things in the operating room.
• 51:17
  That they shouldn't be able to see from
• 51:19
  up above. So, yeah, I think all that
• 51:21
  stuff is very real and
• 51:23
  to come back to
• 51:25
  The Cath a little bit, I interviewed Richard
• 51:27
  Stanley recently, who I know you've talked to
• 51:29
  also,
• 51:30
  and his passion for the K,
• 51:33
  and the lim spaces in the south of
• 51:35
  France is very
• 51:37
  contagious.
• 51:38
  There is a lot of miss story around
• 51:41
  Cath treasure and magical secrets and things like
• 51:45
  the holy grail and their castle of
• 51:48
  Mont, I think is how it's pronounced, but
• 51:51
  has your interest in these sex ever slipped
• 51:54
  over into trying to sort out the stories
• 51:57
  of their lost treasures and the my mistake
• 51:59
  around that sort of stuff?
• 52:01
  Not really. I mean, I like the classical
• 52:04
  no because they were closer to the... As
• 52:06
  we're talking to shaman
• 52:07
  rituals, the,
• 52:10
  the A me, all this fun stuff they
• 52:12
  were dabbling with And to me the Ka,
• 52:15
  it's not even... I mean, as I've talked
• 52:17
  to Richard and
• 52:19
  it's the portals that are there. The energies
• 52:21
  that are there I would love to go
• 52:23
  down there with Richard. He lives there in
• 52:25
  Southern France and just, I mean, I've heard
• 52:28
  he does these rich shows with no drugs,
• 52:30
  no nothing that he will get you to
• 52:32
  freaking altered state of mind where you will
• 52:34
  be watching spirits,
• 52:36
  and he has this wisdom and that he
• 52:38
  knows all these
• 52:39
  rituals and exercise. I'm like, oh, I gotta
• 52:41
  get there, but also because I think that
• 52:44
  area has an energy of portals. I don't
• 52:46
  know if you're familiar with
• 52:48
  Pat patricia Chaplain, she is the granddaughter of
• 52:52
  Charlie Chaplin.
• 52:53
  She went down to Southern Spain
• 52:56
  and she found the secret society that included
• 52:59
  Jack
• 53:01
  and others where they were playing with these
• 53:03
  portals
• 53:04
  and she did the research. He also did
• 53:06
  the rituals, which were amazing, and she found
• 53:08
  out yet something
• 53:10
  about Southern Spain, Southern France, even Portugal,
• 53:14
  that there's all these portals that people use,
• 53:17
  maybe that's what attracted the who knows or
• 53:20
  the temp that
• 53:22
  you can just go into these amazing worlds
• 53:24
  if you do them and you know, there's
• 53:26
  many theories,
• 53:28
  there's a black meteor that fell there. There's
• 53:30
  some people call Luc, although, something think that
• 53:33
  there was a black meter that there might
• 53:34
  have been from Ky bell. I mean, there's
• 53:36
  many theories of why it was something the
• 53:38
  Romans left or was it even older, but
• 53:42
  that area, man. Yeah. It's like, sometimes I
• 53:44
  like command. We need to have astro there
• 53:47
  next year and just trip out. We don't
• 53:49
  come back.
• 53:50
  I was just gonna say astro
• 53:52
  4. Let's make it happen. I'll even go
• 53:54
  have these with you It'll be higher.
• 53:57
  And we can even loop gordon, hire noses
• 53:59
  soup, the real deal or loop Chris and
• 54:02
  it's secret higher noses soup. Average churches just
• 54:06
  take us to where we need to go
• 54:08
  man. Hey, man. I mean, when I did
• 54:10
  that interview, I felt like we were really
• 54:12
  kindred spirits, we had a great time a
• 54:14
  good vibe. He was smoking the whole time.
• 54:17
  As he did in your interview too. And
• 54:19
  it was the first join I smoked in
• 54:20
  my new house here because I don't really
• 54:22
  smoke in the house because of the kids,
• 54:23
  but I was like, I gotta share a
• 54:25
  joint here. I gotta share a smoke with
• 54:27
  Richard Stanley at least digitally
• 54:30
  because we're just so in the weeds and
• 54:32
  having a good time.
• 54:34
  And that'll always be something I remember. I'd
• 54:36
  had a joint... I mean, I don't know
• 54:38
  what he was smoking. I think he rolls
• 54:39
  his own cigarettes because he's smoking too, but
• 54:41
  it looks. Very much like a joint, but
• 54:43
  I had a smoke with the director of
• 54:45
  Colorado space. Oh, what a movie you. And
• 54:48
  that's fun. That's a good thing. That's is
• 54:50
  this is Why the job isn't so bad.
• 54:52
  Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Great movie.
• 54:55
  Amanda Radcliffe.
• 54:57
  They used to date now they're french. She's
• 54:59
  also priest.
• 55:00
  Order of Mary Mag and all that, and
• 55:03
  she helped do the rituals at the beginning.
• 55:05
  So they're all authentic, You know, at the
• 55:07
  beginning, the The protagonist is a pagan and
• 55:10
  that's straight out of Sal and other traditions.
• 55:14
  So Amanda Radcliffe also is amazing and
• 55:17
  I think she's moved to England before while
• 55:19
  she was there in Southern France.
• 55:22
  Last time, you did mention.
• 55:25
  Charlie Chaplin
• 55:26
  granddaughter, and that whole thing, and she's been
• 55:29
  on my list of people to interview, and
• 55:30
  it's been 7 years. I mean, that's how
• 55:32
  long my list. Is Let's just say to
• 55:33
  people who are constantly firing off request to
• 55:36
  me. But last time we also talked about
• 55:39
  the
• 55:41
  and the su and the men,
• 55:43
  these maybe modern agnostic sex that I really
• 55:46
  know very little about basically only
• 55:50
  the names.
• 55:51
  And they're still being hunted to extinction or
• 55:54
  they were at the time of that last
• 55:56
  conversation, Is there any new information about their
• 55:59
  plight since we last talked in 20 17?
• 56:03
  No. Unfortunately, they have been... Still a terrible
• 56:07
  conditions. They have moved away.
• 56:10
  I know
• 56:11
  Chris and rec Stephen Snyder have a lot
• 56:14
  of research that talk about... I don't know
• 56:17
  if I can say it on your show,
• 56:18
  Pe
• 56:19
  o of Su, how rampant it is.
• 56:22
  I haven't gone down that rabbit hole yet,
• 56:24
  but I get it's I want to hear
• 56:26
  all the arguments even though I like Su
• 56:28
  fizz myself. Everything as a shadow. Right? You
• 56:31
  know, kids are the greatest
• 56:34
  treasure for the Arch archives and they lead
• 56:36
  and all that. We know that and it's
• 56:38
  unfortunate and you and I hopefully expose some
• 56:41
  of this stuff.
• 56:43
  So at the conference ask him about that,
• 56:45
  I'll I'll join you guys, but not much
• 56:47
  into the Y, I mean, I guess Gordon
• 56:50
  makes a good argument in starship that the
• 56:53
  Uc actually might be thousands of years old,
• 56:55
  a p
• 56:57
  religion. It is agnostic for sure. They have
• 57:00
  this cosmology
• 57:01
  where they have a Male da,
• 57:03
  this fallen angel that falls into this world
• 57:05
  and then controls the world
• 57:08
  very agnostic, although, they don't see the angel
• 57:11
  is bad. He's just part of the system?
• 57:15
  I do have a few articles on the
• 57:17
  parallels of the Y yosemite
• 57:20
  and the ancient os as well as the
• 57:22
  men
• 57:23
  and a few other groups there yet. But
• 57:24
  that's a whole whole another conversation we can
• 57:27
  have.
• 57:29
  Yeah. It's really hard to
• 57:31
  get information on some of these situations because
• 57:34
  they don't really have advocates and they don't
• 57:37
  have
• 57:38
  any real
• 57:40
  media apparatus
• 57:42
  to advocate for them. And the more you
• 57:44
  learn about the world, the more you learn
• 57:46
  that there are jenna sides and atrocities constantly
• 57:50
  happening, and the news only wants you to
• 57:52
  focus on a couple of them because there's
• 57:54
  some advantageous reason
• 57:56
  for the Capstone Cabal to focus on that.
• 57:59
  Maybe you've say, oh, well, there's some crazy
• 58:01
  shit going on the congo, probably stirred up
• 58:04
  by the Cia,
• 58:05
  probably because there's resources there that they need.
• 58:07
  So that becomes a story. Obviously, the Middle
• 58:09
  East is a story, but I've heard there's,
• 58:12
  like, 5 or 6 different
• 58:15
  genocide going on right now. We only know
• 58:17
  about maybe 1 of them,
• 58:19
  and
• 58:20
  that's a sad thing. I mean, it's hard
• 58:23
  to not be ignorant of it because it's
• 58:25
  just kind of a closed
• 58:27
  door that is really hard to open. Where
• 58:29
  would you go for? The information on some
• 58:32
  of this stuff. It's like that classic phrase
• 58:34
  the more you think you learn, the more
• 58:37
  you know you don't know anything.
• 58:39
  Yeah. Yeah. And nothing is real and never
• 58:43
  believe the official story. Was it, I I
• 58:45
  was listening. I don't watch podcast is the
• 58:47
  Bowie elvis book of just like sucked all
• 58:50
  the air out of the room, but I
• 58:51
  listened to the Colbert
• 58:53
  report.
• 58:54
  And for 2 hours, he had a great
• 58:55
  argument that everything we were taught about Rwanda
• 58:58
  was a lie. You know, we think of
• 58:59
  the 2 groups and 1 group given with
• 59:02
  machete and killed a million
• 59:04
  people and all that. And the genes genocide
• 59:07
  did happen, but it was actually...
• 59:09
  There were forces behind there, and you know
• 59:11
  the forces. Israel, the United States,
• 59:14
  England,
• 59:14
  Belgium, You know, the usual characters were sort
• 59:17
  of fueling this conflict in Of course, we
• 59:21
  were never told that.
• 59:23
  They will give us a little truth and
• 59:25
  corrupt with lies or just take away enough.
• 59:28
  The details so we buy into some really
• 59:30
  false stories.
• 59:32
  Same as it ever was with but pretty
• 59:34
  much everything.
• 59:35
  Yes. And James Cor, 1 of the greats.
• 59:38
  But
• 59:39
  it is about that time.
• 59:41
  I always like talking to you It's weird
• 59:44
  because there certain people like you that, like,
• 59:46
  I look and I'm like man, we've only
• 59:48
  done 1 interview before really, but I feel
• 59:50
  like you're a fellow traveler,
• 59:52
  and I just feel like we connect more
• 59:54
  than we really do in an odd sense,
• 59:57
  but thank you for coming back to talk
• 59:59
  to me before I cut loose. Remind people
• 1:00:01
  of all the irons you have in the
• 1:00:03
  fire, maybe some favorite recent interviews, the conference
• 1:00:06
  all that good stuff.
• 1:00:07
  Yeah. Astro is August ninth tenth at the
• 1:00:11
  theo
• 1:00:12
  society. Let's see if we talk to spirits.
• 1:00:15
  And it's gonna be a blast. It's gonna
• 1:00:17
  be great to see you there, Greg.
• 1:00:19
  So, check it out at my website,
• 1:00:22
  Then obviously, my web page is the god
• 1:00:25
  above god dot com.
• 1:00:27
  That's my hub, right, A
• 1:00:29
  radio my podcast.
• 1:00:31
  Books, videos, articles, anything, any way you wanna
• 1:00:35
  approach understanding no or her.
• 1:00:38
  You can find it there.
• 1:00:40
  I do have my books, but I am
• 1:00:42
  excited again for
• 1:00:44
  April of next year. It's gonna be the
• 1:00:46
  elvis book. It's called a the Occult Elvis,
• 1:00:49
  the magical life of the king,
• 1:00:52
  working on right now on the draft for
• 1:00:54
  Bowie books so that could take years. I
• 1:00:56
  don't know. I let the spirits stake. I
• 1:00:58
  have no expectations.
• 1:01:00
  I also have
• 1:01:01
  taro that we released this year,
• 1:01:04
  the no Terror, I have the virtual alexandria.
• 1:01:08
  Academy, if people... It's like 18 videos courses.
• 1:01:13
  People have really liked it. And if you
• 1:01:14
  wanna learn about agnostic, that's 1 way to
• 1:01:17
  do it.
• 1:01:18
  Heck yeah. And you definitely have a lot
• 1:01:20
  of great interviews, some times, we overlap, but
• 1:01:24
  you have much tighter focus, which is really
• 1:01:27
  impressive. I think I would run out of
• 1:01:29
  material. If I had such a tight focus,
• 1:01:31
  That's why I'd like to cast a wide
• 1:01:33
  that, do a little of this, do some
• 1:01:35
  40 stuff, do some conspiracy stuff. Doctor
• 1:01:39
  Joanna Qui was 1 of your most recent
• 1:01:41
  guests, and she is really fascinating, and she
• 1:01:44
  definitely opened my eyes up to the idea
• 1:01:46
  of true K
• 1:01:48
  experience and
• 1:01:50
  what that even is and how to try
• 1:01:53
  to make sense of it, but
• 1:01:55
  There is a real argument there that the
• 1:01:57
  divine feminine was suppressed because
• 1:02:00
  of
• 1:02:01
  a enlightened
• 1:02:03
  woman's ability to give this experience and all
• 1:02:07
  roads to
• 1:02:09
  enlightenment, Psychedelics
• 1:02:10
  everything must be suppressed and how do you
• 1:02:13
  suppress
• 1:02:14
  this if it's inside of a woman. You
• 1:02:16
  gotta suppress the whole beans, so Just in
• 1:02:18
  the same way Psychedelics were suppressed in the
• 1:02:21
  church and like, we will be yearly liaison
• 1:02:24
  to anything greater, and that's it.
• 1:02:27
  You could say the same thing about women.
• 1:02:28
  It made me think that the reason for
• 1:02:30
  all that
• 1:02:31
  was a little deeper than it seems on
• 1:02:33
  the surface.
• 1:02:35
  For sure, if you can suppress women, you
• 1:02:37
  can control nature. I think it's a very
• 1:02:39
  basic thing.
• 1:02:41
  And again, women are the portals to the
• 1:02:44
  chaos. That
• 1:02:45
  Jordan Peterson talks bad about, but we need
• 1:02:48
  balance. We need chaos order, divine feminine
• 1:02:52
  that These energies are part of our ind
• 1:02:55
  infiltration, and you can't suppress 1 or another,
• 1:02:58
  just like you can't suppress your shadow,
• 1:03:00
  and expect things are gonna go well because
• 1:03:02
  suppressing your shadow
• 1:03:04
  brings a lot of pain
• 1:03:06
  and destruction to your sanity. So
• 1:03:09
  time to restore these things and don't be
• 1:03:11
  afraid If you're not careful,
• 1:03:14
  you just may learn something, and You may
• 1:03:16
  just end up finding out who you are.
• 1:03:20
  Amen. Look at that. A real pro. You
• 1:03:22
  know how to stick a landing.
• 1:03:24
  Well, I very much look forward to meeting
• 1:03:26
  you and the gang next month, I hope
• 1:03:28
  some Thc fans come out since there is
• 1:03:30
  so much overlap between our 2 worlds and
• 1:03:33
  That said, I'll see in a few weeks.
• 1:03:35
  Awesome. Thanks for having me on.
• 1:03:40
  Man, how the time does. Fly. 1 of
• 1:03:42
  my favorite podcast in the game, Miguel Connor.
• 1:03:45
  I just can't believe we haven't done this
• 1:03:47
  more often, but the archive don't lie.
• 1:03:51
  And I hope I'm getting this episode out
• 1:03:53
  in time for a few Midwestern Thc fans
• 1:03:56
  to have the time to plan to make
• 1:03:58
  the pilgrimage out to the event.
• 1:04:01
  It is so rare for me to pull
• 1:04:02
  the trigger on something like this, but meeting
• 1:04:05
  Miguel, Chris K and Steven Snyder in person
• 1:04:07
  in the same weekend is worth it for
• 1:04:09
  me. And I would imagine a lot of
• 1:04:11
  people listening,
• 1:04:13
  understand that and probably agree. So come on
• 1:04:15
  out.
• 1:04:16
  It happens to be,
• 1:04:17
  A perfect time and place for me on
• 1:04:20
  a personal level, my dad requested no funeral.
• 1:04:22
  He just wants his asha ashes buried under
• 1:04:24
  a tree in our food forest us that
• 1:04:26
  were
• 1:04:27
  in the slow process of flushing out.
• 1:04:29
  But his roots have always been in Chicago
• 1:04:32
  and he still got several siblings there. My
• 1:04:34
  cousin closest then to a brother that I
• 1:04:36
  have is also there. And I think it
• 1:04:38
  would be nice to at least see
• 1:04:41
  his side of the fan and have a
• 1:04:43
  meal in remembrance. So I'm gonna be fitting
• 1:04:46
  that into the evenings
• 1:04:48
  and spending time at the event by day,
• 1:04:50
  Emily My wife is great and thinks this
• 1:04:53
  would be good for me, so it's on,
• 1:04:55
  and I hope some Thc fans make it
• 1:04:57
  out.
• 1:04:58
  I don't really foresee any other real world
• 1:05:01
  stuff from me for a while,
• 1:05:03
  but Miguel was also cool enough to give
• 1:05:05
  plus members a coupon code for the event.
• 1:05:09
  Obviously,
• 1:05:10
  real world events like this have a ton
• 1:05:12
  of costs and it's an undertaking, I wouldn't
• 1:05:15
  ever wanna endure for So it's not like
• 1:05:17
  he can just put a code out there
• 1:05:19
  to all listeners, but even
• 1:05:23
  something for plus members, a really generous thing.
• 1:05:26
  So I figured the best way to communicate
• 1:05:28
  the code
• 1:05:29
  in a way that it's only accessible to
• 1:05:31
  plus members is is Probably just to do
• 1:05:34
  something super rare and say it now and
• 1:05:37
  red it for the free version of the
• 1:05:39
  show. So for 20 percent off physical tickets,
• 1:05:42
  either normal or the Vip that gets you
• 1:05:44
  into the social event in the evening. And
• 1:05:46
  for 15 percent off online tickets, it's So,
• 1:05:50
  yes, even if you can't physically be there,
• 1:05:53
  you can still see all the presentations online.
• 1:05:57
  And still get a discount. Thank you Miguel.
• 1:06:00
  So
• 1:06:01
  plus people will hear that added information and
• 1:06:03
  free listeners will not,
• 1:06:05
  All people can find the links to get
• 1:06:07
  tickets in the show notes, but of course,
• 1:06:09
  the code won't be there. And the code
• 1:06:11
  saves you more than 8 dollars anyway, so
• 1:06:14
  think about that. And maybe join plus and
• 1:06:17
  then work your magic if you know what
• 1:06:18
  I mean. But, yes, you can go there
• 1:06:20
  physically
• 1:06:22
  and you can
• 1:06:23
  Get all the presentations with an online pass,
• 1:06:26
  and that also has a coupon code for
• 1:06:29
  plus members.
• 1:06:31
  But that said, still a great time talking
• 1:06:33
  to Miguel. He knows no system as well
• 1:06:35
  as anyone, his guests on his show really
• 1:06:38
  present a very wide.
• 1:06:40
  Range of thoughts and opinions
• 1:06:42
  on it in various ways.
• 1:06:44
  And I think he's really good at handling
• 1:06:46
  the question. I think a lot of us
• 1:06:48
  have, which is if no is is a
• 1:06:50
  dark philosophy or
• 1:06:52
  spiritual orientation as he would say.
• 1:06:55
  And just as conspiracy researchers with a Christian
• 1:06:58
  perspective tend to say well, in my paradigm
• 1:07:01
  bad things come from Satan, thus the Esoteric
• 1:07:04
  elite are satan,
• 1:07:06
  which obviously to me is an overs
• 1:07:09
  simplification
• 1:07:10
  used to confirm one's worldview. It seems like
• 1:07:13
  the same could be said about no and
• 1:07:16
  that for an individual, it is about transcend
• 1:07:19
  and taking your life in your own hands
• 1:07:20
  and developing your spiritual self through direct experience
• 1:07:24
  and discipline.
• 1:07:26
  I'm pro that,
• 1:07:28
  as well as the broad idea of awakening
• 1:07:30
  to deeper realities all around us the whole
• 1:07:33
  they live cons
• 1:07:34
  awakening.
• 1:07:36
  And I do think that's a spiritual experience,
• 1:07:39
  a cons
• 1:07:40
  awakening. But obviously, it's Around here, we like
• 1:07:42
  to talk that talk and walk that walk.
• 1:07:45
  Now, Christian might say, well, the elite hate
• 1:07:48
  God, so they're trying to break his creation
• 1:07:50
  and push trans,
• 1:07:52
  and that's agnostic.
• 1:07:53
  But I see trans as a deeper deception,
• 1:07:57
  a matrix within a matrix.
• 1:07:59
  As Miguel said,
• 1:08:01
  you know, what is so transcend about living
• 1:08:03
  in Vr merging further with the artificial?
• 1:08:07
  It seems like they're trying to make reality
• 1:08:10
  so uncomfortable for us,
• 1:08:12
  physically and financially,
• 1:08:14
  that we hurt ourselves into a deeper digital
• 1:08:17
  pen where we can live as avatars of
• 1:08:19
  our ideals without ever having to do the
• 1:08:21
  work
• 1:08:23
  You can just be a wizard or a
• 1:08:25
  superhero
• 1:08:26
  or a dog that gets locked on a
• 1:08:28
  leash if you're into that.
• 1:08:30
  And we can spend our time in very
• 1:08:32
  big epic expansive
• 1:08:34
  digital worlds from our studio apartment in a
• 1:08:37
  dystopian smart city.
• 1:08:39
  If you're seen Ready Player 1, you know
• 1:08:41
  exactly what I'm talking about.
• 1:08:43
  That is the trajectory, the elite h on,
• 1:08:46
  and I don't really see it as agnostic.
• 1:08:49
  I don't see it as transcend
• 1:08:51
  because it's not breaking out and up. It's
• 1:08:54
  digging down and in.
• 1:08:56
  I do find it somewhat compelling when guests.
• 1:08:58
  Say that the elites see themselves as the
• 1:09:01
  good guys, and I don't know if that's
• 1:09:02
  true. I think Bill Gates and fauci and
• 1:09:05
  Klaus schwab know that their dark people with
• 1:09:07
  dark agendas.
• 1:09:09
  And I'll never know what's in their heads
• 1:09:10
  or hearts, but just the seeking of power
• 1:09:13
  and the accumulation of wealth seems to suggest
• 1:09:16
  to me,
• 1:09:17
  that they aren't under some illusion or assumption
• 1:09:20
  that they're doing good.
• 1:09:22
  But, let's just follow that train of thought
• 1:09:24
  for a minute. Let's say that they do...
• 1:09:26
  Some mental gymnastics
• 1:09:29
  that lead them to think a global
• 1:09:31
  pandemic is needed to increase global security. The
• 1:09:34
  ends justify the means kind of thinking.
• 1:09:37
  Well, if they have some spiritual beliefs that
• 1:09:39
  are attached to that,
• 1:09:41
  and they think they're being limited by a
• 1:09:43
  tyra demo,
• 1:09:45
  Then maybe there's a logic in there somewhere
• 1:09:47
  that they feel
• 1:09:49
  that reality must be pushed up against in
• 1:09:52
  any and always ways possible, messing with the
• 1:09:54
  genetic codes of life,
• 1:09:56
  pushing to get out up into space, physically,
• 1:09:59
  etcetera, etcetera,
• 1:10:00
  and that goal is so important that the
• 1:10:02
  fallout is worth it, Know, you gotta crack
• 1:10:04
  a few eggs to make an omelet all
• 1:10:06
  that.
• 1:10:07
  I suppose there could be something there, but
• 1:10:10
  all this comes down to how you personally
• 1:10:12
  wanna frame it. A lot of it is
• 1:10:15
  if this then that kind of thinking,
• 1:10:18
  and agnostic is so broad that you can
• 1:10:20
  make it whatever you want.
• 1:10:22
  But I appreciate a rebel philosophy.
• 1:10:25
  And if you take these groups back to
• 1:10:27
  the context of their time, religious authorities were
• 1:10:30
  basically,
• 1:10:31
  the state. So
• 1:10:32
  they'd look at the authority of their day
• 1:10:34
  and say, you're insane you're corrupt.
• 1:10:37
  And so is this being that you say
• 1:10:39
  your worship being, and I'm not about that.
• 1:10:43
  When we talk about some world events
• 1:10:46
  mirroring
• 1:10:47
  the book of revelation and the market of
• 1:10:49
  the beast, and you can't have commerce without
• 1:10:51
  it, and it might be the smartphone or
• 1:10:54
  some kind of qr chip tattoo.
• 1:10:57
  This sort of material.
• 1:11:00
  Or we look at the tower of Ba
• 1:11:01
  story where
• 1:11:03
  people built a tower that got to the
• 1:11:05
  upper, heavenly realm and God said fuck you
• 1:11:08
  guys smashed it and
• 1:11:10
  corrupted all the language.
• 1:11:12
  Well, it seems as if
• 1:11:14
  the bean that runs this physical place
• 1:11:17
  is not shy about wiping it out and
• 1:11:20
  killing everybody,
• 1:11:22
  if it doesn't like what we're doing,
• 1:11:24
  that would be the flood myth and all
• 1:11:26
  that.
• 1:11:27
  And then you gotta ask well is that
• 1:11:28
  the right way to handle a problem.
• 1:11:32
  Does handling a problem that way,
• 1:11:34
  suggest a tyra
• 1:11:36
  psychopathic,
• 1:11:38
  insane,
• 1:11:40
  custodian
• 1:11:41
  or a just peaceful loving god.
• 1:11:44
  Again, Miguel domain is the God above god.
• 1:11:47
  We are on the same page that we
• 1:11:49
  love the ultimate creator
• 1:11:51
  being the good guy up there, but maybe
• 1:11:54
  there's something else in between us and that
• 1:11:56
  thing.
• 1:11:57
  So again, yeah, it's all about framing.
• 1:12:00
  And maybe this is a tale as old
• 1:12:02
  as time, but should we ever take the
• 1:12:04
  state at its word when telling us about
• 1:12:06
  the people that it kills.
• 1:12:08
  If what we know about the Seth and
• 1:12:11
  the cath and the knights temp come from
• 1:12:13
  the ones who murdered and tortured them,
• 1:12:16
  should we assume that's bullshit?
• 1:12:19
  Again, if you're conventionally religious, you might trust
• 1:12:21
  the church and and you might trust their
• 1:12:23
  reasoning for doing what they did.
• 1:12:25
  But I'm a simple man and I say
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  if you're killing large numbers of people, and
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  Not in self defense, then there is no
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  good reason for that, and I apply that
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  logic to any situation in any time and
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  space.
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  But I thought this was a helpful interview
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  and talking through some of that with a
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  person who has really made this material a
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  huge part of their life.
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  Really, it's just talking about ideas. I think
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  sometimes
• 1:12:51
  listeners might get way too vested and who
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  thinks what?
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  I actually heard recently that by the nature
• 1:12:58
  of being a curious thinker, you're not even
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  gonna agree with yourself half the time or
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  from year to year or maybe even day
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  to day,
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  Otherwise, it kind of implies that you stop
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  growing and exploring new things.
• 1:13:11
  I believe in that, but speaking of exploring
• 1:13:13
  new stuff, while the curious conspiracy minded masses
• 1:13:16
  certainly have more to chew on regarding the
• 1:13:19
  Trump
• 1:13:19
  assassination attempt now than they did in the
• 1:13:22
  first 24 hours.
• 1:13:24
  I kinda made hasty comments at the end
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  of the last show because I had to
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  say something about such a big event, but
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  I didn't wanna jump any conclusions or try
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  to make at something more than it seemed
• 1:13:34
  to be.
• 1:13:35
  And I probably agree with about 70 percent
• 1:13:38
  of what I said then. The media has
• 1:13:40
  drilled in that Trump is such an existential
• 1:13:42
  threat, how could something like this not happen,
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  especially right in the window of time where
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  it starts to look pretty obvious that he's
• 1:13:50
  gonna win,
• 1:13:51
  I do think those who have this Trump
• 1:13:53
  der arrangement syndrome bear some responsibility and it's
• 1:13:56
  funny to hear them back pedal now and
• 1:13:58
  say, well, I'm glad he's okay.
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  But he's still a threat to democracy and
• 1:14:03
  if he wins then expect fascism in America
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  and the end of our way of life.
• 1:14:08
  And honestly, I don't see how both can
• 1:14:10
  be true. You're either lying about being glad
• 1:14:12
  he's okay
• 1:14:14
  or you're exaggerating how severe a Trump win
• 1:14:17
  would be.
• 1:14:18
  Personally, I think both, but you can't really
• 1:14:20
  hype it up that it's gonna be anything
• 1:14:22
  different than it was the first time, because
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  he's already been there for 4 fucking years.
• 1:14:27
  So that's 1 thing, but man, tons of
• 1:14:29
  new information has come out.
• 1:14:31
  There's no shortage of Twitter threads.
• 1:14:34
  Where people try to lay out their own
• 1:14:36
  narratives, but a lot of them do circle
• 1:14:38
  around some key bits of information
• 1:14:41
  And I actually did put up the bat
• 1:14:43
  signal to Ryan Christian,
• 1:14:45
  and we're gonna do a real deep dive
• 1:14:47
  on all of it and how the crowds
• 1:14:49
  strike stuff might even be connect did, but
• 1:14:52
  I'm gonna be out of town
• 1:14:53
  in San Diego this week for a friend's
• 1:14:55
  wedding and Ryan will probably be my first
• 1:14:58
  guest of August
• 1:15:00
  which really will give us proper time to
• 1:15:02
  bring all the alternative narratives and new claims
• 1:15:04
  together and summarize the bulk of it for
• 1:15:06
  you guys.
• 1:15:07
  I know that pretty much everybody is doing
• 1:15:09
  that, but I can't think of anyone better
• 1:15:12
  to be that guy for us than Ryan.
• 1:15:14
  That said, now we're getting
• 1:15:16
  information that the secret service team
• 1:15:19
  was not just bare bones like I said
• 1:15:22
  before,
• 1:15:23
  But inexperienced almost intentionally.
• 1:15:26
  We have to ask why Cnn and the
• 1:15:28
  networks were live streaming this Trump rally when
• 1:15:30
  they tend to have a blackout around that
• 1:15:33
  sort of coverage.
• 1:15:34
  And we have to see if this kid
• 1:15:36
  checks any boxes within a typical
• 1:15:39
  Mk ultra framework.
• 1:15:41
  And now with the new information we've gotten
• 1:15:43
  this week, I would say yes.
• 1:15:45
  Given what we know about Mk ultra,
• 1:15:47
  What would be the career choices of his
• 1:15:49
  parents that would make you most skeptical
• 1:15:52
  outside of literal positions in the government?
• 1:15:55
  I would say behavioral studies and psychiatry. Well,
• 1:15:59
  both of his parents check that box, big
• 1:16:02
  red flag for me.
• 1:16:04
  We have reports that he was walking around
• 1:16:05
  for a long time, being seen by many
• 1:16:08
  people, aiming his gun at a cop, acting
• 1:16:11
  strangely.
• 1:16:12
  Carrying a ladder a half mile in some
• 1:16:14
  reports,
• 1:16:15
  maybe even getting caught with a scope,
• 1:16:18
  being confused,
• 1:16:19
  not even being subtle
• 1:16:21
  in broad daylight.
• 1:16:23
  This is a person under some sort of
• 1:16:25
  influence and to think,
• 1:16:26
  With all these details
• 1:16:29
  and looking at the layout of the scene
• 1:16:31
  that he just fooled the secret service,
• 1:16:34
  that's more than just a stretch.
• 1:16:36
  This seems more than just creating the conditions
• 1:16:39
  broadly. It seems a lot more planned and
• 1:16:41
  set up.
• 1:16:42
  The kids parents apparently called the cops, when
• 1:16:45
  he was an hour late from coming home.
• 1:16:47
  I mean, he's 20, that's weird. It's like
• 1:16:50
  they knew he wasn't in a good state
• 1:16:52
  of mind or that maybe some...
• 1:16:54
  Fbi inspired la,
• 1:16:56
  was spilling over into a real life world
• 1:16:59
  event.
• 1:17:00
  He also apparently had a burner phone, probably
• 1:17:02
  given to him by whoever was coaching him
• 1:17:04
  along,
• 1:17:05
  and I'm sure that's not the phone that
• 1:17:07
  they broke into and
• 1:17:09
  told everybody about coaching And I can't agree
• 1:17:12
  with those who think this was a setup
• 1:17:14
  event by the Trump people because they already
• 1:17:17
  had a great deal of momentum. There was
• 1:17:19
  no reason to do this.
• 1:17:21
  From that perspective and stage this. What I
• 1:17:23
  see is a desperate attempt to hold power
• 1:17:26
  when it seems to be slipping away.
• 1:17:29
  Everyone who ever had faith in Biden is
• 1:17:31
  losing it, and so something desperate was set
• 1:17:34
  up and it didn't work, and now Biden
• 1:17:36
  has Covid and will probably drop out. That
• 1:17:38
  narrative seems pretty convincing to me.
• 1:17:41
  The biggest questions left in my mind are
• 1:17:43
  well. I thought the left right divide was
• 1:17:46
  just political theater.
• 1:17:48
  Maybe on some levels it is and on
• 1:17:50
  the street level, there are some people who
• 1:17:52
  really have a vested interest in their team
• 1:17:54
  versus the other team.
• 1:17:56
  The other question
• 1:17:57
  would be well why risk it with this
• 1:17:59
  mentally scrambled kid? Why leave it up to
• 1:18:01
  him to complete the mission?
• 1:18:04
  Well, I think the answer there is that
• 1:18:06
  it looks like the old Kansas city shuffle.
• 1:18:08
  Everyone looking over here at this dead kid
• 1:18:10
  on the roof.
• 1:18:12
  Much like with Jfk k and the Grass
• 1:18:14
  K. It seems in this case, the shots
• 1:18:16
  might have come from somewhere else. Some are
• 1:18:18
  saying the water tower,
• 1:18:19
  Some are claiming the real shooter zip lined
• 1:18:22
  down from the water tower into the trees
• 1:18:24
  where an Suv was waiting.
• 1:18:26
  I guess that's a possibility.
• 1:18:28
  But I've heard this gun that the kid
• 1:18:30
  had should have made for an easy shot
• 1:18:33
  within 600 yards, and he was only a
• 1:18:35
  hundred and 50 yards away. And with an
• 1:18:38
  iron site, which means that it seems like
• 1:18:40
  the kid was never supposed to do anything,
• 1:18:43
  but get shot on that roof.
• 1:18:45
  But a train sniper can make shots as
• 1:18:47
  far as 2000
• 1:18:49
  yards away. Sometimes they say even double that.
• 1:18:53
  Well, a mile is only 1760
• 1:18:56
  yards.
• 1:18:58
  So you're talking about a damn mile or
• 1:19:00
  more possibly.
• 1:19:02
  To me,
• 1:19:03
  that person could have been anywhere, and you're
• 1:19:06
  not gonna take a photo of the scene
• 1:19:08
  that's gonna encompass the range in which that
• 1:19:11
  shooter could actually have been in, and the
• 1:19:13
  further away they are, the more reasonable it
• 1:19:15
  is that they missed by an inch.
• 1:19:18
  If that bullet photo is real, captured by
• 1:19:20
  the same photographer who took the famous bush
• 1:19:22
  reading to kids on 09:11 photo, by the
• 1:19:25
  way, small world.
• 1:19:26
  Well, the bullet doesn't look like it's coming
• 1:19:28
  down from the water tower. It looks like
• 1:19:30
  it's coming straight, but maybe from much further
• 1:19:32
  away.
• 1:19:34
  Then you got the Ace esoteric stuff, the
• 1:19:36
  illuminati card game, enough is enough card that
• 1:19:38
  says r snipers can get you time at
• 1:19:41
  any place.
• 1:19:42
  And it looks like Trump's face,
• 1:19:44
  and then hulk Hogan using that exact phrase
• 1:19:47
  of the Rn c in his speech before
• 1:19:49
  Trump with Jason A there?
• 1:19:51
  And we all remember the Vegas card and
• 1:19:53
  his tattoo in the harvest festival.
• 1:19:56
  So you know me? I'm not trying to
• 1:19:58
  jump the gun and I try not to
• 1:20:00
  get too attached to any un undo narratives,
• 1:20:03
  but yes,
• 1:20:04
  so much of this seems like a lot
• 1:20:06
  more, I set up, and I was willing
• 1:20:08
  to conclude the morning after.
• 1:20:11
  Add in the Black rock commercial, the kid
• 1:20:12
  was in. I mean, what is that?
• 1:20:15
  But it does feel like the Mk ultra
• 1:20:18
  template was just dusted off and the kid
• 1:20:20
  was set up as a brain scrambled distraction.
• 1:20:23
  And the trained person tasked with taken the
• 1:20:26
  real shot also missed.
• 1:20:28
  But with a lot of events, as I've
• 1:20:30
  said, you can get really gran and try
• 1:20:32
  to confirm every little detail,
• 1:20:34
  but you usually
• 1:20:36
  are gonna hit a dead end somewhere. You're
• 1:20:38
  usually gonna have to make a few assumption
• 1:20:40
  and that's also fine. But like so many
• 1:20:43
  things, broadly speaking, I think we know what
• 1:20:45
  we need to know about this
• 1:20:47
  though it'll still be interesting to go over
• 1:20:49
  in greater detail all the little details with
• 1:20:51
  Ryan next week,
• 1:20:53
  But a general template is
• 1:20:56
  pretty well formed at this point.
• 1:20:58
  And who knows what might happen in the
• 1:21:00
  meantime, too? It's getting crazy out there. But
• 1:21:03
  those are some additional thoughts to what I
• 1:21:05
  said in the wrap up of the last
• 1:21:06
  show. Though I did say maybe on several
• 1:21:09
  of the things where I'm now just saying,
• 1:21:11
  yeah, it does look to be that way.
• 1:21:12
  As to But speaking of the last episode
• 1:21:15
  with Lara Knight Ja, it seems like the
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