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INTERVIEW: Matt Barnes & Stephen Jackson Talk 'All The Smoke' Podcast & Book, Kobe, Kamala, Bronny James + More · The Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.
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Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club Morning.
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Speaker 3: Everybody is dej Envy Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the Guy. We
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Speaker 3: are the Breakfast Club Justice on maternity leave you So,
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Speaker 3: Lonlosa is filling in, and we got some special guests
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Speaker 3: in the building. That's right, we got Matt Bondes and
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Speaker 3: Stephen Jackson.
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Speaker 1: Welcome fellas.
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Speaker 2: How y'all feeling good, good, tired but good.
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Speaker 4: Good, collectively known as All the Smoke podcasts? Right Their
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Speaker 4: new coffee table book is out right now, All the Smoke.
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Speaker 2: Man.
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Speaker 4: You know, I always say, like, I know that there's
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Speaker 4: a lot of athletes who do podcasts and stuff. Now,
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Speaker 4: I don't know anybody before y'all. I feel like y'all
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Speaker 4: started that whole way. So to see y'all be the
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Speaker 4: first with a coffee table book, man, that makes so
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Speaker 4: much sense to me.
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Speaker 2: Man, it's been a blessed. It's been a journey. I mean,
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Speaker 2: our five year anniversary is tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 5: If you would have told me like five years later
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Speaker 5: we'd have a coffee table book, a whole production company
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Speaker 5: and people working underneath us, so how it would have
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Speaker 5: been like, you're full of shit? I didn't even know
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Speaker 5: what the podcast was at the time, So you know,
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Speaker 5: we're blessed to come together and find lightning in a
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Speaker 5: bottle and thankful for the opportunities and obviously being able
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Speaker 5: to partner with you and your your your company and
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Speaker 5: be able to get this done was dope.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people don't know that. Bro. Fass out
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Speaker 2: to you. A lot of our success, you know, a
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Speaker 2: lot of stuff that we have going on.
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Speaker 6: You brought our way and you thought about us, even
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Speaker 6: with black effects, So we appreciate you.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people don't know that. So we got
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Speaker 2: to give you a props to.
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Speaker 4: All of my brothers, how did this come about? Through
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Speaker 4: this just for a podcast? Like I know y'all was
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Speaker 4: partner to go.
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Speaker 5: I think I think Jack retired maybe one or two
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Speaker 5: years before me and we both got out and we're
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Speaker 5: doing ESPN and Fox and getting positive feedback and people
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Speaker 5: said we needed to do something together. And we were
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Speaker 5: at my house in the Bay one time smoking and
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Speaker 5: I'm just like, you want to do a podcast?
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Speaker 2: And he's like, sure, what is it? I was like,
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Speaker 2: I don't really know, but.
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Speaker 5: I think we can drink and smoke because we were
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Speaker 5: working ESPN and Fox. You know, you got to kind
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Speaker 5: of walk that line. So it was just a little
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Speaker 5: bit more to our comfort zone. And he said, yeah,
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Speaker 5: So I started doing the homework and we landed here.
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Speaker 1: We landed the showtime, and you interviewed so many, so
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Speaker 1: many people. Who are some of your favorite people that
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Speaker 1: you guys have interviewed in the past.
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Speaker 6: I mean, I'm a I'm a big hip hop guy,
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Speaker 6: and the comedy guys, so the comedians and the rap
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Speaker 6: artists like Lil Wayne. Having Kevin Hard on the show,
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Speaker 6: you know, been able to laugh at them. I think
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Speaker 6: Jamie Foxx we was home during COVID episode, man, I
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Speaker 6: think everybody needed that was so and we had the
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Speaker 6: comedians and the hip hop artist on.
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Speaker 2: That's always my favorite.
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Speaker 5: I just think, you know, being a like you guys
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Speaker 5: are trusted voice in the space is important.
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Speaker 2: You know, for us to start with j R.
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Speaker 5: Smith and end up with Kamala Harris and Kobe's last
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Speaker 5: interview and staff KD and Shaq and the list goes on,
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Speaker 5: you know, Will Smith, Jada, Jada, Pink and Smith. I
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Speaker 5: just think being a trusted voice in the space with
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Speaker 5: so many voices is you know something I prought myself.
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Speaker 4: On I think athletes didn't have a safe space before
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Speaker 4: before y'all, especially in NBA players because we can't speak
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Speaker 4: the language y'all speaking. So it causes them to open
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Speaker 4: up in a different way.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 6: We were ee emotions on the sleeve and everything we've
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Speaker 6: been through in life is on the table for everybody
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Speaker 6: to see, and were willing to talk about it. So
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Speaker 6: I think when I guess see that it's easy for
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Speaker 6: them to open up too. Kamala was your most recent
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Speaker 6: we said joke.
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Speaker 5: Kim Noah after her, But yeah, Kamala was, yeah, a
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Speaker 5: big boy for us.
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Speaker 1: And how was that? I know you're a little reluctant
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Speaker 1: a little bit at first.
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Speaker 6: Oh no, you know that I called him and talked
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Speaker 6: to him about it. Me and Matt. We went at
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Speaker 6: it for a couple of days about it.
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Speaker 1: You don't want to do it at first.
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Speaker 6: Nah, because I really don't want to get in politics.
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Speaker 6: I don't I don't even want to be involved, and
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Speaker 6: a lot of people that support me don't get involved.
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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 6: I look at it the same way I look at it,
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Speaker 6: but as a friend and as a brother to him.
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Speaker 6: You know, anything that that that he asks me to
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Speaker 6: do something. You know, nine or ten times, I'm lord
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Speaker 6: to a fault, you know what I'm saying, even if
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Speaker 6: it's something I don't want to do. But I know
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Speaker 6: it was beneficial for our company. I know it's benefit
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Speaker 6: and I see that after I did the interview. I
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Speaker 6: see now. I have a lot of women in my life.
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Speaker 6: I have eight aunts, six daughters, you know, so I
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Speaker 6: would look to them after I did the interview. I'm
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Speaker 6: glad I did it now because they all look at
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Speaker 6: her and look up to her and inspire to be
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Speaker 6: great like her.
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Speaker 2: So I'm glad I did it.
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Speaker 7: How did you guys prepare for her?
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Speaker 5: A lot of studying, a lot of smoke in the
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Speaker 5: But I want to take it back before I get
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Speaker 5: to your question. You know, when he said he didn't
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Speaker 5: want it, first of all, I told him I was
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Speaker 5: a stack I've ever led you wrong in a business
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Speaker 5: decision or life, And he said no. But you know,
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Speaker 5: when he said he didn't want to get involved with
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Speaker 5: the politics, I told him, you know, I don't think
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Speaker 5: that was his choice because once he did that George
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Speaker 5: Floyd thing, he put his smack dab in the middle
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Speaker 5: of the biggest leading one of the biggest protests this
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Speaker 5: world has ever seen. So a lot of things come
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Speaker 5: with that, a lot of good, a lot of bad,
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Speaker 5: but a lot of things come with that. And I
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Speaker 5: think that he implanted himself in the middle. And I
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Speaker 5: always respected, I mean, I always will respect his opinion.
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Speaker 5: But I just thought this could be an opportunity for
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Speaker 5: he has a very loyal following, and it could have
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Speaker 5: been a you know, it was. It was an opportunity
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Speaker 5: for him to you know, get some stuff on his
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Speaker 5: chest or ask straight to the face, you know, asked
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Speaker 5: her to ask her straight to the face those questions.
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Speaker 5: So I'm glad he decided to come around. It took
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Speaker 5: him a minute, like literally, he let me tell you, bro,
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Speaker 5: until she came in the room. Jack wouldn't fucking with you.
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Speaker 4: Oh.
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Speaker 5: So she came in the room, and then she took
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Speaker 5: us away from the group and and took us on
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Speaker 5: a walk throughout the house and started showing us these
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Speaker 5: this dope black.
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Speaker 2: Art and sculptures. And Jack was still tough, like, I
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Speaker 2: ain't with this.
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Speaker 5: And then he saw this one piece of already liked
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Speaker 5: and she talked about it, and she had moved on,
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Speaker 5: and I kept falling, and he went and touched the
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Speaker 5: art and looked at it. I was like, oh, she
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Speaker 5: might be getting to him. And then he showed she
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Speaker 5: showed this dope ass chandelier. And then once she showed
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Speaker 5: the chandelier and explained it, and the jack started smiles like,
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Speaker 5: all right, she got him.
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Speaker 2: So we were straight.
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Speaker 4: So it took a minute.
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Speaker 7: Did she know that you didn't want to do it?
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Speaker 5: She had a little bit, She had somebody to show
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Speaker 5: him how to hand her handed to her.
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Speaker 2: But how do we prepare?
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Speaker 5: I mean just I mean we prepared like we used
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Speaker 5: to play, like watch game films, so we study, you know,
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Speaker 5: we'd go back and do research and then we get
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Speaker 5: with our research team and find out the strategy. My
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Speaker 5: strategy with this interview was it wasn't a political interview.
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Speaker 5: It wasn't all the smoke interview. We happened to ask
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Speaker 5: a few political questions. We felt it was close to
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Speaker 5: our community, but at the end of the day, we
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Speaker 5: wanted to humanize her and get to know her a
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Speaker 5: little better. So just kind of figuring out what was
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Speaker 5: that opening question to get her laughing and smiling, and
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Speaker 5: you know, found out the story about the blind date
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Speaker 5: with her now husband, Doug, And as soon as we
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Speaker 5: asked that, she started smiling from ear to ear, and
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Speaker 5: we knew that we kind of got her to open,
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Speaker 5: you know, put her guard down a little bit, and
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Speaker 5: it was it was a fun interview.
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Speaker 4: The biracial question and the question about the blended family
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Speaker 4: killed Yeah, you know what I'm saying, because like it
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Speaker 4: connected with her. She could there's no script for that. Now,
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Speaker 4: you know, you can't go to your talking points for that.
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Speaker 4: You got to be honest, you.
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Speaker 5: Got to be and that's what we wanted, you know,
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Speaker 5: Charlotte Mane. We've we've been lucky to humanize and make
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Speaker 5: our guests feel comfortable to really share their true opinions.
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Speaker 5: And and and biracial and step step parents we both are,
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Speaker 5: but biracial is something that I've you know, fought with
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Speaker 5: and dealt with really my entire career, and now that
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Speaker 5: this is at the forefront of her campaign, I just
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Speaker 5: thought it would be a great talking point.
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Speaker 4: And that's all telling Jack. So I'm like, yo, if not,
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Speaker 4: you didnt who because you know, if you got an
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Speaker 4: opinion about these elected officials and you've been expressing it,
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Speaker 4: expressed it to her.
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Speaker 5: But I also think too. I mean, she could have
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Speaker 5: went to any podcasts. There's a ton, like you said,
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Speaker 5: there's a ton of them.
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Speaker 1: But I love the fact that she came in. I
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Speaker 1: said that the other day in the radio.
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Speaker 3: I was like, you know, she needs to do where
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Speaker 3: people are going, and sometimes these politicians go to places
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Speaker 3: where we don't necessarily go to, and I want to
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Speaker 3: see her do more stuff like that.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, a little bit of conversations with her, like off
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Speaker 7: of the air, like were there things that y'all talked about?
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Speaker 7: Offer were you like to have?
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Speaker 2: I asked her.
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Speaker 5: She know, because I knew that the the Vice President
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Speaker 5: House was probably stiff and white for at a lot
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Speaker 5: of years after she added her touch to it. And
7:16
Speaker 5: that's when we got kind of started talking about the
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Speaker 5: art and stuff she's done to the house to kind
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Speaker 5: of put her put her energy around it. What else
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Speaker 5: we talked about, Actually, I feel like the last three
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Speaker 5: or four four minutes of the podcast, and I think
7:28
Speaker 5: we caught some of it just it was a back
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Speaker 5: and forth.
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Speaker 6: You know, do you remember what we were talking about
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Speaker 6: the very end we was talking about what she asked
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Speaker 6: about Gianna, We talked about the war.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, being there you know we played, Yeah, we believe.
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Speaker 1: Did y'all smoke before y'all got there?
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Speaker 5: I did, of course, I'm now, Yeah, it was too
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Speaker 5: presidential to be able to try to sneak it in
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Speaker 5: and get one off. And we was representing a lot
7:52
Speaker 5: of people said we didn't want to get in trouble,
7:54
Speaker 5: but yeah, definitely pregamed.
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Speaker 2: You know, that was one of them smoke shower, you know, giower.
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Speaker 4: Like you still got after ras with the run Office.
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Speaker 2: Man I did. Man.
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Speaker 5: I said that at like early thirties, and you know,
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Speaker 5: I started shadowing Kevin Johnson, who was the current mayor
8:11
Speaker 5: at the time. Then I worked with Daryl Steinberg a
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Speaker 5: little bit, and you know it, I said it at
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Speaker 5: fifty on forty four now, so we'll see. I mean,
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Speaker 5: you know, year by year I get more engaged and
8:23
Speaker 5: learn more and try to understand the process. So if
8:26
Speaker 5: my business affairs are in order by the time I'm fifty,
8:29
Speaker 5: I may you know, chase that down.
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Speaker 4: What do you say to people who say that people
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Speaker 4: in sports shouldn't talk about stuff like politics like they should.
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Speaker 5: Just well, I just feel like we're affected by everything,
8:39
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, just because we played a
8:41
Speaker 5: certain sport. I mean, we're fathers, we're business owners. You know,
8:44
Speaker 5: we're in the community, We're tied to everything. So I mean,
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Speaker 5: I respect people whether they want to be in it
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Speaker 5: or not. But you know, my whole thing with people
8:52
Speaker 5: is kind of learned the process. So if you're going
8:53
Speaker 5: to be mad at least you know what the fuck
8:54
Speaker 5: you're mad at. You know a lot of people are
8:56
Speaker 5: mad at lies and mad at misconceptions. So my whole
8:59
Speaker 5: thing is learned the process and understand the process and
9:01
Speaker 5: how things the pecking order and the actual president, the
9:04
Speaker 5: power that the president and the vice president don't really have,
9:07
Speaker 5: you know, understanding Congress and the House and the Senate,
9:09
Speaker 5: and then and then if you still want to be mad,
9:11
Speaker 5: be mad. But I think just a lot of people
9:12
Speaker 5: are are headline readers and they want to get mad
9:15
Speaker 5: at bullshit. So to me, if you want to be mad,
9:18
Speaker 5: like learn it and then find something to be mad at.
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Speaker 6: For me, I think it's just really common sense what
9:23
Speaker 6: we need and what we need to do. It ain't
9:24
Speaker 6: rocket signed, So that's I'm not in the hope dealing,
9:27
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. We all know what we need,
9:29
Speaker 6: We all what we need to stop doing is and
9:31
Speaker 6: to change to get America. You know, everybody have an
9:33
Speaker 6: equality and we will act like everything else needs to
9:36
Speaker 6: be done besides the common sense shit, you know what
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Speaker 6: I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: So that's why I don't want to be in politible.
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Speaker 3: We have a surprise, you know because kind of like
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Speaker 3: the Breakfast Club, our clips live on and you always
9:44
Speaker 3: see it, but I see the same thing with your clips.
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Speaker 1: It could be something that y'all did four years ago.
9:48
Speaker 1: Are you have a surprise?
9:49
Speaker 3: How long your clips go and how people recognize you
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Speaker 3: from the podcast and not from the playing days.
9:54
Speaker 2: That goes back to, you know, the LAW fan base.
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Speaker 2: You know. That's that's why we do a lot of
9:58
Speaker 2: stuff we do is for the fan.
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Speaker 6: But we got a Law a long fan base that's
10:01
Speaker 6: been rock with us since we've been playing, you know
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Speaker 6: what I mean. So to to see our stuff resurfacing
10:05
Speaker 6: and we not the ones be posting it, that means
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Speaker 6: a lot, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: I mean, we're going in the right direction, definitely.
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Speaker 4: You know, y'all had the last conversation with Kobe Bryant,
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Speaker 4: last interview with Kobe Bryant, and I always wondered was
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Speaker 4: that the last time either one of y'all actually.
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Speaker 1: Spoke to him.
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Speaker 6: That was the first and last time I spoke to
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Speaker 6: him since we played against each other.
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Speaker 4: Wow, I know, mad, y'all had.
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Speaker 5: A Yeah, we would see each a little bit more
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Speaker 5: because he was coaching Gigi and I was coaching the Twins.
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Speaker 5: So we had talked maybe one time after that, and
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Speaker 5: then he had sent some shoes literally the week I
10:35
Speaker 5: think he passed on a Sunday. He sent shoes that
10:38
Speaker 5: previous Monday to the Twins and their whole team, so
10:40
Speaker 5: they had just got fresh Kobe. So we had spoken then. Obviously,
10:44
Speaker 5: like I said, he sent some shoes the week of
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Speaker 5: the actual past, so it was it was tough, man.
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Speaker 4: What stands out from that conversation? I mean you have it,
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Speaker 4: y'all have it in the All the Smoke Coffee table book.
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Speaker 4: But what stands out from that competation just from that date?
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Speaker 5: I think the pre conversation we went into his office
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Speaker 5: and how Adam and he was of.
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Speaker 2: People the whole ride there though, yeah, oh yeah, we
11:03
Speaker 2: just shipped on the ride right, the whole ride there
11:05
Speaker 2: was like, got to put that out right. We never
11:07
Speaker 2: put that out there. That was crazy. We had a
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Speaker 2: dope ride. We filmed and talked a lot of shit.
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Speaker 2: But I think with y'all three not just the anticipation
11:15
Speaker 2: because we would have to go see him.
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Speaker 5: So we left from LA to Orange Candy, like an
11:18
Speaker 5: hour and a half hour and a half drive depending
11:20
Speaker 5: on when you drive.
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Speaker 4: Butted that.
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Speaker 2: One maybe too one, Yeah, yeah, yeah, not too much.
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Speaker 5: But we had a conversation in this office before we
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Speaker 5: actually got on camera, and he was really adamant about
11:32
Speaker 5: this next twenty years then and for the world to
11:35
Speaker 5: be prepared for what he was doing in business. He
11:36
Speaker 5: was just finishing writing one of those children novels he
11:39
Speaker 5: was working on, and he just like, fellas like, I
11:41
Speaker 5: don't want people to remembory for my last twenty years.
11:43
Speaker 5: I want them to memory for my next twenty years.
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Speaker 5: You know, you have the fun and had one Emmy's
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Speaker 5: and doing all kinds of stuff in the business space.
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Speaker 5: And obviously really saw when I got to see him
11:52
Speaker 5: coach Gigi and just he didn't always never showed a
11:56
Speaker 5: ton of joy, but you can just tell he loved it.
11:57
Speaker 5: I mean, he had these little girls running the triangle
11:59
Speaker 5: offence would take some grown men a long time to learn.
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Speaker 5: He had these girls practicing four or five days a week,
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Speaker 5: three hours a day. Like the thing about COVID, he
12:07
Speaker 5: didn't take nothing light when it came to basketball. So
12:10
Speaker 5: these were little young girls, but they were running the
12:12
Speaker 5: Lakers offense to a t.
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Speaker 2: It was.
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Speaker 5: He was like a drill sergeant with it. But you
12:16
Speaker 5: could tell he loved it. You know, all those little
12:18
Speaker 5: girls loved him and looked up to him, and just
12:19
Speaker 5: the passion behind that was beautiful to see.
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Speaker 2: For me, I think.
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Speaker 6: Seeing meeting him as a teenager and seeing him go
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Speaker 6: into the icon he was I just admired that. You know,
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Speaker 6: with so many, so many players and basketball players you
12:33
Speaker 6: come across doing aau and traveling, you know, coming up
12:36
Speaker 6: as a teenager, you see so many people that's supposed
12:38
Speaker 6: to be great that don't live up to it.
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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. He lived up to it
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Speaker 2: and exceeded it.
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Speaker 6: So you know, just to be able to sit there
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Speaker 6: to talk to him after our careers, you know what
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Speaker 6: I mean, and go through the memories, you know what
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Speaker 6: I'm saying, then you know before he passed them in
12:49
Speaker 6: everything to me.
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Speaker 4: It was Kobe, a Scooper or a Scooper or a score.
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Speaker 6: He was definitely a hoopo. Okay, yeah, he was a
12:56
Speaker 6: dog on both ends. Definitely a dog, not even close.
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Speaker 6: Probably the mask out of it.
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Speaker 4: Who People got mad at you when you said that,
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Speaker 4: But I don't even play ball and understand.
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Speaker 2: What you were saying.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, because a lot of those people who got mad
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Speaker 6: are the ones I was talking to.
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Speaker 2: People only get mad when they're guilty of it. You
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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, I want to shoot fits.
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Speaker 6: It's a lot of guys that were built and came
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Speaker 6: to the NBA where their job was just to score
13:16
Speaker 6: that they compete on both fends.
13:17
Speaker 2: A lot of them didn't give that effort. And that's
13:19
Speaker 2: just the facts.
13:20
Speaker 1: I just seen the video again yesterday of you and
13:22
Speaker 1: Kobe going back and forth.
13:24
Speaker 2: Yeah.
13:24
Speaker 5: Well, I mean when you mentioned that, that was the
13:26
Speaker 5: thing that came to my mind, Like, I coach kids
13:28
Speaker 5: now and they become kids are coming to me to
13:29
Speaker 5: AU tournament that weren't even born.
13:32
Speaker 2: You did.
13:33
Speaker 1: You did that to Kobe, But they didn't even see that.
13:35
Speaker 1: The minutes before they.
13:36
Speaker 5: Was Yeah, we was going at it, you know, and
13:38
Speaker 5: it was funny. And last interview we talked, I was
13:40
Speaker 5: ready to fight him.
13:40
Speaker 2: You know, Kobe, let's stop you.
13:42
Speaker 1: From swinging on him, because he was elbow to your stomach.
13:45
Speaker 1: He was pushing you. It got to the point where time.
13:46
Speaker 6: Was like, if you gotta respect for certain people where
13:49
Speaker 6: they won't do that either they know you know what
13:50
Speaker 6: I'm saying, you'll go to that point. And it's some
13:53
Speaker 6: people that you don't even know they'll go to point.
13:54
Speaker 6: Then I'll knock you out. But Kobe, like, that's just competition.
13:58
Speaker 6: It ain't it ain't personal.
13:59
Speaker 5: But it was personal that day though it looked like
14:04
Speaker 5: because I mean, obviously we all know how great he was,
14:07
Speaker 5: is just to play, but he was mentally too, so
14:09
Speaker 5: like he said, all the elbow and ship that the
14:11
Speaker 5: refs claim they don't see or or don't want to see.
14:13
Speaker 2: Like I was tired of that ship, you know what
14:14
Speaker 2: I mean.
14:15
Speaker 5: And I keep getting called foulst for retaliating, So I'm like,
14:17
Speaker 5: fuck this man.
14:19
Speaker 4: That's how y'all got cool, he said. But he said,
14:21
Speaker 4: if anybody crazy enough to mess with me like this,
14:23
Speaker 4: I want him on my team.
14:24
Speaker 5: He called me that, so I was actually my deal
14:26
Speaker 5: was up in Orlando, and this is when Bron and
14:29
Speaker 5: Bosh were going to Miami. So I was talking to
14:31
Speaker 5: Pat Riley and even d Wade on the phone one time,
14:33
Speaker 5: and Pat was telling me about the lineups and the
14:35
Speaker 5: championships we can win.
14:36
Speaker 2: And I got a cold.
14:37
Speaker 5: Call from a number I didn't even know and happened
14:40
Speaker 5: to pick it up and it was him, and we
14:41
Speaker 5: talked a little bit and I congratulated them about winning
14:44
Speaker 5: and asked.
14:45
Speaker 2: What I was doing.
14:46
Speaker 5: He said, what you said, He's just like, you want
14:47
Speaker 5: to be a Laker. I'm like, hell, yeah, like three
14:50
Speaker 5: days Laker. I was.
14:50
Speaker 2: Three days later, I was a Laker.
14:52
Speaker 1: Wow, what do you think about the Lakers?
14:53
Speaker 2: Now?
14:53
Speaker 3: We see Brownie played the last two games and people
14:55
Speaker 3: are on Brownie's ass And that's.
14:56
Speaker 6: A beautiful I showed. We got in the car with
14:59
Speaker 6: that's the dopest pitch. Yeah, when you're helping his dad up,
15:01
Speaker 6: that's the dopest shit. Whoever hate die?
15:04
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think if anyone deserves this opportunity
15:07
Speaker 5: to play with his son, I think it's him, you
15:09
Speaker 5: know what I mean. And the fact that that whole
15:11
Speaker 5: thing was orchestrated for him to get to the Lakers
15:13
Speaker 5: is amazing.
15:14
Speaker 2: And I was. I was.
15:15
Speaker 5: I had a moment this past summer because my twins
15:17
Speaker 5: are fifteen now, so I take them and play against
15:19
Speaker 5: grown men. And I remember one time me and the
15:21
Speaker 5: twins were on the same team playing and we was hooping.
15:23
Speaker 5: I'm just like, man, this is so dep I couldn't
15:25
Speaker 5: imagine this on the highest level. So to me, I
15:28
Speaker 5: want to give a five. I mean, the kid was
15:29
Speaker 5: a fifty fifth pick. I mean the fifty fifth pick
15:31
Speaker 5: doesn't even make it. So all these crazy expectations for
15:33
Speaker 5: him earlier ridiculous, like allow him to develop, But you know,
15:36
Speaker 5: we don't live in a world where development is allowed,
15:38
Speaker 5: especially on the highest level. So I think from a
15:40
Speaker 5: father's son aspect, is incredible. But you know, the Lakers
15:44
Speaker 5: are one of those teams where you got to produce
15:46
Speaker 5: what have you done for me lately? And they haven't
15:47
Speaker 5: necessarily done that. So it's going to be interesting, you know,
15:50
Speaker 5: scrutinage year.
15:51
Speaker 7: I think we were talking about that earlier. Do you
15:53
Speaker 7: think that Brownie will actually have the chance to develop?
15:55
Speaker 7: But you feel like people going to pigeonhold him so
15:57
Speaker 7: much that it might get you have.
15:58
Speaker 6: Even more of a chance to develop because his father's death,
16:01
Speaker 6: Like that's the motivation to have and he's seeing what
16:03
Speaker 6: it takes to be great. So all that is in
16:05
Speaker 6: him already, and now he's in the in the in
16:07
Speaker 6: the facilities where you have everything here to be great.
16:10
Speaker 6: I think, I think, yes, everything you need. And I
16:12
Speaker 6: think he's definitely gonna blost mover.
16:13
Speaker 5: And I also think too, I mean, I don't think
16:15
Speaker 5: you look at Bronnie in the same light as you
16:17
Speaker 5: look at lebron. I just think I think he's going
16:23
Speaker 5: to be a very solid role player. I mean, he's
16:25
Speaker 5: got a high high i Q place defense, can make
16:28
Speaker 5: the right play, can shoot the ball. So I just
16:30
Speaker 5: think he needed a little bit more time to develop,
16:32
Speaker 5: and now he's developing on the biggest stage. But I think,
16:34
Speaker 5: you know, two three, four years, he's going to be
16:36
Speaker 5: a very solid rotational player.
16:38
Speaker 1: Does he starting a leg or do you think there's no?
16:41
Speaker 5: I think he should. To me, it's about playing. You know,
16:43
Speaker 5: I play with JJ and I fuck with j J heavy.
16:46
Speaker 5: I think he's you know, he's gonna be on the
16:47
Speaker 5: hot seat. But I like his mentality. He's very he teaches,
16:51
Speaker 5: he's he's a personable person. So for all the people
16:54
Speaker 5: say no, that like the most important thing is getting
16:56
Speaker 5: to play. You don't learn ship from sitting on the
16:58
Speaker 5: bench and watching. So Bronni has to play. So whether
17:01
Speaker 5: that's going to be eight to ten minutes in the
17:02
Speaker 5: real game or if it's going to play thirty minutes
17:04
Speaker 5: on the G league level, I think he just needs
17:06
Speaker 5: to play, and I think they'll figure that out.
17:08
Speaker 6: You can't simulate the NBA in the G League, though,
17:11
Speaker 6: you got to play in the NBA. They understand the
17:12
Speaker 6: NBA pacing game.
17:14
Speaker 2: The D League is totally but you just have to
17:15
Speaker 2: play though. Yeah, I mean it can get you ready,
17:17
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's harder to be successful day.
17:21
Speaker 6: But to be successful and to make a name for
17:23
Speaker 6: yourself in the NBA, you know what I'm saying, You
17:25
Speaker 6: have to learn how to play that game.
17:26
Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt will be considered success.
17:28
Speaker 6: But Brianni fifteen fourteen year career a long career, you
17:32
Speaker 6: know in the NBA. I mean that would say we
17:34
Speaker 6: not expect him to score fifty thousand points, you know
17:37
Speaker 6: what I'm saying.
17:37
Speaker 2: We expect him to be a star and possibly be
17:39
Speaker 2: an All Star one day.
17:42
Speaker 3: I got to ask, you know, since since we are
17:44
Speaker 3: in New York. New York just made a trade that
17:47
Speaker 3: sent Cat here.
17:49
Speaker 1: What were your thoughts on that trade?
17:50
Speaker 2: Wonderful?
17:50
Speaker 6: I know y'all happy, Yeah we got some. I love
17:53
Speaker 6: Jordis rounder, but I take care of him any day,
17:55
Speaker 6: you know. And Cat is way more durable. We lose
17:58
Speaker 6: a shoot it though, you lose a shoot it, but
18:01
Speaker 6: but he does way more than just shoot, can't he does?
18:04
Speaker 6: And then and in the East too. I think a
18:06
Speaker 6: big guy like that that can spread the floor on
18:08
Speaker 6: this team. I think him and Be go at it
18:11
Speaker 6: to the next scrap one time.
18:12
Speaker 2: That's gonna be. You know, I'm adult. I like dogs.
18:15
Speaker 5: So obviously seeing Devincenzo and Julius Randall leave, you know,
18:19
Speaker 5: kind of like you know what I mean, because I shot.
18:24
Speaker 5: You know, they're they're trying to put something together.
18:25
Speaker 2: They put the whole.
18:32
Speaker 6: Replace that, replace that man.
18:38
Speaker 2: On I'm not mistaken. He hit the most threes and
18:41
Speaker 2: NIX history.
18:42
Speaker 1: Yes, it helps us out people.
18:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now he's a very solid role player, definitely.
18:49
Speaker 5: I definitely feel like now, so I think Cats really
18:54
Speaker 5: going to help this team. If he's three level. Cat
18:56
Speaker 5: not just to staying outside and shooting jumpers all day.
18:59
Speaker 5: And I think this fan basic won't allow some of
19:01
Speaker 5: the stuff he was doing in Minnesota where he would
19:03
Speaker 5: settle a lot because he is so skilled and talented
19:05
Speaker 5: and can score on all three levels, and there's a real,
19:08
Speaker 5: real problem. But I think sometimes he settles. But I
19:10
Speaker 5: think he's coming into a situation that's not only good
19:13
Speaker 5: for him, but you know, his fiance or his girl,
19:15
Speaker 5: because you know, she's kind of into things too. So
19:17
Speaker 5: being in this media market is going to be very
19:19
Speaker 5: beneficial for him if he attacked it the right way.
19:21
Speaker 2: I feel like, isn't this family from ye? Yeah?
19:27
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I wish both sides good luck. I'm inested
19:29
Speaker 5: to see too how Anthony Edwards and Julius Randall get along,
19:32
Speaker 5: because that's two dogs right there, so to see how
19:34
Speaker 5: the how their chemistry works.
19:35
Speaker 4: You know what I want to ask you about, Jack,
19:37
Speaker 4: that the Malice in the Palace died, right, man, I
19:39
Speaker 4: didn't realize how much that situation impacted y'all.
19:43
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
19:44
Speaker 4: You think you think about Yes, y'all could have want
19:46
Speaker 4: to chip that.
19:48
Speaker 6: I think that was a year for us to win
19:49
Speaker 6: the Chippy. If you look when lebro happened and we
19:51
Speaker 6: probably had the second or best record in the league.
19:53
Speaker 6: When it happened, and we was blowing everybody out, and
19:55
Speaker 6: I think we all knew that that was Reggie's last hurrah,
19:59
Speaker 6: you know, we want to win it for him. But
20:02
Speaker 6: like I said, it wasn't the same I missed. I
20:04
Speaker 6: missed with two or three All Star Games because of
20:06
Speaker 6: that Jermaine. Jermaine was a shoe in Hall of Famer
20:09
Speaker 6: around their time to that happened. And Ron was possibly
20:12
Speaker 6: the first you know, can win Defensive Player and Office
20:14
Speaker 6: in MVP in the same year. So all those things
20:17
Speaker 6: were working for us in that one incident killed everything.
20:20
Speaker 4: And it didn't and it didn't bring It didn't seem
20:21
Speaker 4: like it brought y'all together, not all of y'all.
20:24
Speaker 6: It didn't because everybody didn't do it for Law to
20:27
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. Everybody went in that situation
20:29
Speaker 6: for Law till some people was in it because they
20:31
Speaker 6: was there, you know what I mean. I actually rolled
20:33
Speaker 6: with my teammate for you know, for being a good teammate.
20:35
Speaker 6: A lot of guys just in there doing stuff that
20:37
Speaker 6: wasn't necessary, you know, and uh it cost us that season.
20:41
Speaker 4: How many times did that happen to you in your life?
20:43
Speaker 4: Day were you just I don't give this my guy,
20:45
Speaker 4: We're going at you. You you going to war, I'm
20:47
Speaker 4: going to walk.
20:48
Speaker 6: I'm low to a fault, I'm long to a fault.
20:49
Speaker 6: But you know what I'm saying. But like I could
20:51
Speaker 6: sleep that way. You know what I'm saying, we go
20:53
Speaker 6: somewhere right now. So I'm mightna be the first one
20:54
Speaker 6: to jump out. That's just how I was taught, That's
20:56
Speaker 6: how I was raised. But you know, as you get older,
20:58
Speaker 6: you get smarter.
20:59
Speaker 4: Is that one of the things that you you regret
21:00
Speaker 4: that season, like how all of that played out?
21:02
Speaker 6: Yeah, I regret it because you know, I was a
21:05
Speaker 6: consider myself a real good basketball player, and I missed
21:07
Speaker 6: a lot of All Star games like accolades because of that.
21:10
Speaker 6: You know, even when I had great seasons, that still
21:13
Speaker 6: was a cloud over my over my great play.
21:15
Speaker 2: And it hurt it Ron too and Jamaine. So it
21:18
Speaker 2: definitely wasn't benefics for none of us.
21:20
Speaker 4: Was it tough to do that, doc, Like just to
21:22
Speaker 4: sit there and after we live all of it.
21:24
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it was the reason why I was.
21:26
Speaker 6: It wasn't tough because it was grat gratifying for getting
21:30
Speaker 6: some money for talking about it. You lost so much
21:32
Speaker 6: for one punch, like, let me get some money back
21:34
Speaker 6: for talking about it. You do more than one punch
21:36
Speaker 6: what I threw two.
21:38
Speaker 2: That's it. I'm glad you said that right now.
21:46
Speaker 6: This is why I said I shouldn't have got fined.
21:49
Speaker 6: When it all happened, I jumped up and went over
21:52
Speaker 6: the stanch. I went six rolls up, didn't hit nobody,
21:55
Speaker 6: got to run. A bear was thrown in his face
21:58
Speaker 6: the second time, and that's the guy. When I turn around,
22:01
Speaker 6: a guy was holding wrong punching him. I hit him.
22:04
Speaker 6: I didn't. If I was just wanted to be stupid,
22:05
Speaker 6: I could have hit everybody those six rolls up. But
22:08
Speaker 6: I went to protect him, so I wasn't really don't
22:10
Speaker 6: know idiot stuff, you know what I'm saying. I was
22:11
Speaker 6: just being a protector. But it just turned out to
22:13
Speaker 6: look that way. So if you look at it, I didn't.
22:15
Speaker 6: I could have hit a whole bunch of people.
22:16
Speaker 2: I didn't. The man didn't get loose, as.
22:21
Speaker 4: I wasn't been watching the evolution in marijuana in the NBA.
22:24
Speaker 2: I was beautiful.
22:25
Speaker 6: I think I think we don't get enough credit for it,
22:28
Speaker 6: you know, because to be able to play in the
22:29
Speaker 6: NBA now and not get tested like you don't know.
22:31
Speaker 6: We went through job and we were paying people and
22:34
Speaker 6: all kind of drinking, all kind of stuff, justice and
22:37
Speaker 6: do all kinds of stuff just to be able to smoke.
22:39
Speaker 6: So now they can, you know, do it freely. I mean,
22:42
Speaker 6: I know a lot of guys that might not talk
22:44
Speaker 6: about it publicly, but I know they appreciate, you know,
22:46
Speaker 6: being able to smoke and and and relax after the
22:48
Speaker 6: game the right way without taking all them pills and shit.
22:51
Speaker 5: I think, you know, when I retired in seventeen, that
22:53
Speaker 5: was one of my main focuses being the shield for
22:55
Speaker 5: the current guys. And you know, myself and my brother
22:57
Speaker 5: Herring team were flying out here to New York to
22:59
Speaker 5: talk to the players Sociation in the league and just
23:01
Speaker 5: understanding the plant, study the plant until they both got
23:05
Speaker 5: you know, people on both sides to start studying it.
23:07
Speaker 5: And from what I heard that the NBA was really
23:09
Speaker 5: against it, still the PA was more for it, and
23:11
Speaker 5: they had to come to a common ground and they
23:13
Speaker 5: ended up doing that, you know obviously in the bubble
23:15
Speaker 5: when you know, with the COVID hit and they gave
23:17
Speaker 5: the players time off and then they brought everyone back
23:19
Speaker 5: to the bubble. If they would have tested that, probably
23:21
Speaker 5: eighty five percent of the league would have failed because
23:24
Speaker 5: guys were off, didn't know if the season was going
23:26
Speaker 5: to come out, and the majority of the guys you know, medicated,
23:28
Speaker 5: So you know, I think there was a very smart
23:30
Speaker 5: move for them to co and bypass it there and
23:32
Speaker 5: then after that it was gone.
23:33
Speaker 2: So I think I say all that to say it's
23:36
Speaker 2: it was.
23:36
Speaker 5: It was tough smoke in our entire career because it
23:39
Speaker 5: was you know, every time we did it, we were
23:41
Speaker 5: risking fines or suspensions. So it was a real job
23:44
Speaker 5: to smoke in the league. And now, like Jack said,
23:46
Speaker 5: just to be able to freely do it, to relax,
23:48
Speaker 5: go to lead, focused, anti inflammatory, all the properties for it.
23:53
Speaker 5: I think it's I'm happy for those guys, but.
23:55
Speaker 7: You are trying to have the conversations then though, like, yo,
23:57
Speaker 7: this is what this is what's helping us, right, Yeah, he.
24:04
Speaker 5: Did the conversations needed to happen, But I think my
24:07
Speaker 5: conversation when I started talking was after the fact because
24:10
Speaker 5: it was just so like they didn't want to hear
24:11
Speaker 5: that shit, you know what I mean. It just it
24:13
Speaker 5: was something you couldn't do, you know what I mean.
24:15
Speaker 5: So I think as as the world progressed and we
24:17
Speaker 5: started getting you know, research behind the positives instead of
24:21
Speaker 5: just the negatives, I think that's when the game started
24:23
Speaker 5: to change.
24:23
Speaker 4: Could you physically play high? Cause I'd be reading these
24:25
Speaker 4: stories about Michael and might they used to be drinking.
24:27
Speaker 4: But why then going to drop.
24:28
Speaker 2: Fifty before I play or not? I just smoke exactly
24:33
Speaker 2: before the game.
24:33
Speaker 6: But that day early in the morning, probably, yeah, I
24:36
Speaker 6: probably did, but not going to the game. I didn't
24:38
Speaker 6: came down, but like going to the game fresh off
24:40
Speaker 6: one absolutely not.
24:41
Speaker 2: Not in the NBA, you getting cooked. Yeah.
24:42
Speaker 5: I know a couple of dudes that that that smoked
24:45
Speaker 5: driving into the gym. We won't say them names, but
24:47
Speaker 5: they was different. So I mean, I could smoke, you
24:49
Speaker 5: know a few hours before, but I wouldn't smoke on
24:51
Speaker 5: the way to the game one because I didn't want
24:53
Speaker 5: to smell like it around everybody. But too, it's just like,
24:55
Speaker 5: depending on what you're smoking, you're putting yourself out out
24:58
Speaker 5: there in the atmosphere sometimes.
25:00
Speaker 6: So I was geeked up in the Western Conference finals
25:03
Speaker 6: though light Yeah, I guess Dallas, I was geeked up.
25:09
Speaker 6: We smoked before the game. I smoked right after shoot around,
25:11
Speaker 6: like three hours for the game, and I didn't go
25:13
Speaker 6: to sleep, So I was just geeked up doing the game.
25:15
Speaker 6: Like certain times you don't take that nap you loaded,
25:18
Speaker 6: and I did in the West Conference final because I
25:20
Speaker 6: was from texts.
25:20
Speaker 2: I was just feeling good at the time and went
25:22
Speaker 2: to work. What worked for me?
25:24
Speaker 4: What was the process of putting this book together? Like,
25:26
Speaker 4: how did y'all choose which conversations to put.
25:28
Speaker 2: In the shutdaling?
25:30
Speaker 5: Yeah, obviously, yeah, you and the company, and then dealing
25:33
Speaker 5: just understanding you know, where we the caliber of guests
25:38
Speaker 5: we had, and the different topics we spoke on. You know, again,
25:41
Speaker 5: there's a ton of people in this space now as
25:44
Speaker 5: far as sports, but I don't look as it as competition.
25:46
Speaker 5: I think everyone had their own journey and their own
25:48
Speaker 5: voice and their own experiences, and I think we still
25:50
Speaker 5: think with all the conversations we had, our conversation is
25:53
Speaker 5: still different from everybody else's so just important, you know, family,
25:57
Speaker 5: mental health, you know, everything that comes along in this journey.
26:02
Speaker 5: And and you know, we've been able to transition from
26:05
Speaker 5: not just a sports show to just kind of a
26:08
Speaker 5: more of a culturally relevant show, you know, where we're
26:10
Speaker 5: talking to the Kevin's and the Wills and the Jada's
26:12
Speaker 5: and the Jamis and and the VP. So I just think,
26:15
Speaker 5: you know, high level conversations with high level people, and
26:18
Speaker 5: you know, being able to be celebrated with that. I mean,
26:20
Speaker 5: if I'm not mistaken with the first podcast with the
26:22
Speaker 5: coffee table book man, so I think it's it's it's
26:25
Speaker 5: a tremendous opportunity. We're very thankful for it and and
26:28
Speaker 5: hope that everyone checks it out.
26:29
Speaker 4: I named a couple of names. Don't you tell me
26:31
Speaker 4: what your thought of the interview is? Don Staley, Uh, well,
26:34
Speaker 4: a lot of people don't know.
26:35
Speaker 6: That's when I've been with my favor my favorite female
26:37
Speaker 6: player of all time, my rookie year I wore twenty
26:40
Speaker 6: four because of Don State.
26:41
Speaker 2: People don't know that.
26:42
Speaker 6: Yeah, and when I was in New Jersey, so it
26:44
Speaker 6: was a honor to me to baby talk to her.
26:46
Speaker 6: You know, I never met in person, so I can't
26:49
Speaker 6: wait to actually take a picture of it.
26:50
Speaker 2: But somebody I have mine for a long time.
26:51
Speaker 4: That's different, Like, what what about her? You know, I've
26:54
Speaker 4: never heard of guyfeeld woman basketball playing something like that,
26:56
Speaker 4: Like what about her influenced well, her.
26:58
Speaker 6: Whole swag, Like she she he had their rough park
27:01
Speaker 6: basketball style and she was one of the first females
27:03
Speaker 6: to bring it like AI.
27:04
Speaker 2: You know, she woke back a short how she did
27:06
Speaker 2: it her way. She talked to talk, walk.
27:07
Speaker 6: To walk, and you didn't see that from a woman
27:10
Speaker 6: in basketball growing up. And then she was at a
27:12
Speaker 6: school that was the female school, that was always on TV.
27:15
Speaker 6: The basketball game was always on TV. So that's what
27:17
Speaker 6: we say. So that's what I've seen a lot or.
27:19
Speaker 5: Not same, I mean, just being a fan of her
27:21
Speaker 5: game and then how she's been able to transition and
27:23
Speaker 5: be a leader of young women and women. I'm always
27:26
Speaker 5: a big fan of that. So, you know, being able
27:27
Speaker 5: to get to talk to her and to me honestly,
27:30
Speaker 5: and I'm sure you guys probably feel the same way.
27:31
Speaker 5: Like we're fans of a majority of the people we
27:33
Speaker 5: talked to, and getting a chance to get that in depth,
27:35
Speaker 5: you know, to be able to peel back the layers
27:36
Speaker 5: and understand who they are as a person and how
27:38
Speaker 5: their upbringing brought them to be the people they are.
27:41
Speaker 5: I mean, that's always the joy and the journey of
27:44
Speaker 5: these conversations.
27:45
Speaker 4: For me, about the Jamie Foxx convo that happened during a.
27:47
Speaker 5: Cool Yeah, we laughed so hard before we even got
27:50
Speaker 5: on air. Bro it was incredible. He was funny as hell.
27:53
Speaker 5: Jamie's great. I mean to me, Jamie's one of the
27:55
Speaker 5: most talented people this planet's ever seen. This versatility across
27:59
Speaker 5: several different front it is amazing on top of him
28:01
Speaker 5: just being a really good dude man.
28:03
Speaker 2: So that was. That was a dope conversation.
28:05
Speaker 6: You have a lot of comedians that's funny when they're
28:07
Speaker 6: doing their work.
28:08
Speaker 2: A lot of them. Some of them ain't naturally fun
28:10
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
28:10
Speaker 6: Jamis is naturally Like I said, like forty five minutes
28:13
Speaker 6: before we returned the camera on Racking, he was in
28:15
Speaker 6: wrath form like he was excited to be on the
28:17
Speaker 6: show as well. So that was that was one of
28:19
Speaker 6: the best ones.
28:20
Speaker 4: You know, Jack, you you've dealt with a lot of
28:22
Speaker 4: grief over the last few years. Of course, George Floyd,
28:25
Speaker 4: your brother, sister, how have you been dealing with that
28:29
Speaker 4: that level of grief?
28:30
Speaker 2: Uh?
28:31
Speaker 6: Support system these guys, you know my mom and sister.
28:37
Speaker 2: Uh, it's been hard, but you know it's a part
28:39
Speaker 2: of life. Bro.
28:40
Speaker 6: Too much is given much as required. You know, we
28:42
Speaker 6: all go we all. I'm not going through nothing that halfy, y'all.
28:45
Speaker 6: I haven't been through. But it gets to a point
28:47
Speaker 6: where when it's somebody like his sister and brother, like
28:49
Speaker 6: that's different. You know what I'm saying, Like that's that
28:51
Speaker 6: that's different. So I haven't been the same, but it's
28:54
Speaker 6: the day by day process. Absolutely, thanks fasking.
28:57
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
28:57
Speaker 7: How did how did you guys know it was trying
28:59
Speaker 7: to you talk a lot about transition, that it was
29:01
Speaker 7: time to transition in and like lean into like okay,
29:04
Speaker 7: the podcast, the merch like just the business side of things,
29:07
Speaker 7: Like was that a switch? It probably was planning, But
29:09
Speaker 7: when did you know, like, okay, it's tring to jump
29:10
Speaker 7: the fence now.
29:11
Speaker 2: Man.
29:11
Speaker 5: The reason why I left the NBA the first year
29:14
Speaker 5: of a three year deal, I happened to win a
29:17
Speaker 5: championship with Golden State and I wouldn't get against I
29:21
Speaker 5: wasn't getting a chance to my kids, you know what
29:23
Speaker 5: I mean. So you know, it was kind of a
29:25
Speaker 5: perfect storm when we won a championship and I was
29:27
Speaker 5: ready to move. So I was just kind of excited.
29:30
Speaker 5: And I think sometimes how why athletes have a hard
29:34
Speaker 5: time transitioning because they don't get to leave on their
29:36
Speaker 5: own accord. Most of the time it's injuries or a
29:39
Speaker 5: reputation or just teams don't want to fuck with you
29:42
Speaker 5: no more. But you know, I was someone that just
29:44
Speaker 5: you know, I was in the midst of a contract
29:46
Speaker 5: and I'm just like, man, you know, this is the
29:47
Speaker 5: blessing we won. I'm missing so much time with my sons,
29:51
Speaker 5: my father first, so you know that was my transitioning reason.
29:55
Speaker 5: And then once I transition, I'm like, damn, what's next.
29:57
Speaker 5: You know, I had invested well and you know, had
29:59
Speaker 5: some things move, but I knew I was still needed
30:01
Speaker 5: to find something to do. And you know, media came
30:04
Speaker 5: knocking for both.
30:05
Speaker 2: Of us, and you know, we kind of ran with it.
30:10
Speaker 5: So, I mean, Jack is the kind of guy that
30:12
Speaker 5: you know, he trusts very few, so if you're in
30:15
Speaker 5: this trust circle, he's going to listen to you. And
30:17
Speaker 5: when I pitched them idea, he trusted me to run
30:19
Speaker 5: with it and make it happen.
30:20
Speaker 2: And you know that's what I was able to do.
30:22
Speaker 4: I feel like even with sports networks, y'all, was before
30:26
Speaker 4: y'all time on that too. It seemed like when y'all
30:28
Speaker 4: was on it, they didn't want y'all to talk so freely,
30:30
Speaker 4: especially you Jack. They didn't want you. It seems like
30:33
Speaker 4: everybody could talk freely, No, but it seemed like they
30:35
Speaker 4: didn't want you to.
30:35
Speaker 6: We did it anyway, you know, we did it anyway.
30:38
Speaker 6: You know, I'm you know, shout out to Wolves. But
30:40
Speaker 6: I remember I was the first one to correct him
30:42
Speaker 6: on TV. You know what I'm saying, Like people like,
30:44
Speaker 6: damn he correct the roads. Yeah, because I got Jimmy
30:46
Speaker 6: Butler right on speed y'all making stuff up. So like
30:48
Speaker 6: we just being who we naturally are, you know what
30:50
Speaker 6: I mean. And I think that's what kind of took
30:53
Speaker 6: over when we was on TV and we did these shows.
30:55
Speaker 6: You know, not too many basketball players come up he
30:57
Speaker 6: and speak like that, and we was just being our
30:58
Speaker 6: naturally self. He wasn't acting on put know, you know,
31:00
Speaker 6: on camera then going out being somebody else.
31:02
Speaker 2: We the same person on and off camera.
31:04
Speaker 5: And I think too a big thing was you know
31:06
Speaker 5: Stephen A. Smith and whether you hate him a love him,
31:08
Speaker 5: I like Stephen A. Smith and he's been instrumental in
31:10
Speaker 5: kind of my journey. We talked often, but he was
31:13
Speaker 5: really big on stay off the weed and used to
31:15
Speaker 5: say that shit all the time until I called him
31:17
Speaker 5: on it and he listened to me. You know, I
31:19
Speaker 5: called him out on social media after I seeing it
31:20
Speaker 5: one too many times, and then I'm on first take,
31:23
Speaker 5: you know, at right at the docks talking about weed
31:26
Speaker 5: on ESPN like no one had ever done that before,
31:28
Speaker 5: no athlete had ever done that before. So I think,
31:30
Speaker 5: to Jack's point, it's just you know, having real conversations,
31:33
Speaker 5: and I think people are always going to respect that.
31:35
Speaker 5: And I remember a ton of times, and you know,
31:37
Speaker 5: I was working for a Fox and ESPN at the time,
31:39
Speaker 5: where you know there's certain well this is the topic,
31:41
Speaker 5: you know, do you want to say this? I'm like, nah,
31:42
Speaker 5: I don't want to say that.
31:43
Speaker 2: You know, I don't.
31:44
Speaker 5: I wouldn't say that. I don't talk like that. This
31:46
Speaker 5: is how I'm going to say it, you know what
31:47
Speaker 5: I mean. So, I mean, obviously I enjoyed my time
31:49
Speaker 5: at both networks and it kept my name fresh and
31:53
Speaker 5: it allowed other opportunities to happen. But you know, it's
31:56
Speaker 5: it's a little different walking on that side of media
31:58
Speaker 5: than it is on the media side that we landed.
32:00
Speaker 4: On any of those networks getting it right, I think.
32:03
Speaker 2: So, I think, you know, small production is getting it right. Yeah,
32:07
Speaker 2: I think, you know.
32:08
Speaker 5: I think there will always be those big engines, but
32:11
Speaker 5: I don't necessarily think you need them anymore. You know
32:13
Speaker 5: what I mean that the digital switch is on, the
32:16
Speaker 5: athlete driven content is on, and entertainment jet like everyone
32:19
Speaker 5: is experts that are now talking about it. Before there
32:21
Speaker 5: was other people always talking about what they saw, whether
32:24
Speaker 5: it be critics and music, television, film, or sports. But
32:28
Speaker 5: now you actually have the people talking about it. So again,
32:31
Speaker 5: I think there will always be the big Espns and
32:33
Speaker 5: Foxes and all that kind of stuff, but you don't
32:35
Speaker 5: necessarily need it anymore to get your point across, to
32:37
Speaker 5: have a platform or to go viral.
32:40
Speaker 3: I want to ask some basketball questions for y'all. Get
32:41
Speaker 3: about of play Thompson. What you think about him leaving
32:44
Speaker 3: the Warriors and you think it was time for him
32:46
Speaker 3: to go?
32:47
Speaker 6: I think it's a breath of fresh at for him.
32:49
Speaker 6: I mean, some guys need that doing their career. You
32:51
Speaker 6: know what I mean. You've played a service bop for
32:53
Speaker 6: so long it's a bad feeling the body I ain't
32:56
Speaker 6: won last couple of years, So a lot of times
32:58
Speaker 6: they're going to try to find somebody to blame it on,
33:01
Speaker 6: and it fell on Clay, you know what I'm saying,
33:02
Speaker 6: which which is unfortunate because he's the reason why they
33:05
Speaker 6: have a big part why to have all those championships
33:07
Speaker 6: over there. But this is how this is how professional
33:09
Speaker 6: sports goes. Yeah, this is how it goes. And I
33:11
Speaker 6: think it's great for him because he's landed in the
33:13
Speaker 6: spot where he can do what he do best with
33:15
Speaker 6: tour the best one on one players ever and Kyrie
33:18
Speaker 6: and Luca.
33:18
Speaker 2: He could spot up and shoot jumpers.
33:20
Speaker 6: So I think I think it's a great, great situation
33:22
Speaker 6: for him because I've been in a situation where I
33:25
Speaker 6: was somewhere and I needed to go to a different
33:27
Speaker 6: team to be to flourish and be a better player.
33:29
Speaker 2: When I came to Golden State, So that's kind of
33:31
Speaker 2: the same for him.
33:31
Speaker 6: Clay is a hooper hooper yeah, oh yeah, he played
33:35
Speaker 6: on both ends.
33:36
Speaker 1: D Rose retired.
33:37
Speaker 2: Oh man, hurt my soul. Where's the fair World Tour?
33:40
Speaker 6: Where's the where's the He deserves all that for me,
33:42
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying he's one of those guys.
33:43
Speaker 2: Bro I think too.
33:45
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously as great as we saw, you know,
33:47
Speaker 5: the injury slowed him down, But everything we're hearing from
33:50
Speaker 5: is he as great as a player was, he's a
33:52
Speaker 5: better person and you know that's always something that that's
33:54
Speaker 5: important to us. Definitely looking forward up sitting down with
33:58
Speaker 5: him one day. But I just think his impact on
33:59
Speaker 5: the game, how pure.
34:01
Speaker 2: And and and and.
34:03
Speaker 5: And real he was, will you know, definitely be noted,
34:05
Speaker 5: but you know, one of the greatest. I hate to
34:07
Speaker 5: say what because obviously he gave us a lot while
34:09
Speaker 5: he was here, was the youngest MVP of all time.
34:11
Speaker 5: But I couldn't imagine seeing him be able to stay
34:14
Speaker 5: who he was and get older and how much his
34:17
Speaker 5: game would have grown and developed.
34:18
Speaker 2: I think we missed out on something really special.
34:20
Speaker 4: He never did gun.
34:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't.
34:23
Speaker 6: But what touches to his character that I'm ad my
34:26
Speaker 6: how he got his wife and his kids mother to
34:28
Speaker 6: get along and coparing, how they do it like they
34:30
Speaker 6: are mascots for that because they do it the right way.
34:32
Speaker 2: So sim for that. Who he's what?
34:36
Speaker 4: Is he a hoop boy?
34:37
Speaker 2: Score d Rose?
34:40
Speaker 6: Good question? The Rose a hoop. I didn't see a
34:44
Speaker 6: lot of Chase down blocks. He competes on both. He's
34:47
Speaker 6: a hoops.
34:48
Speaker 1: Who's the face of the league when leaves, who's in?
34:51
Speaker 2: And Steph Leeves?
34:51
Speaker 1: Who's the next face of the league? I should say?
34:54
Speaker 5: I think I think it might be by committee. I
34:57
Speaker 5: think Anthony Edwards.
34:58
Speaker 2: Is gonna be one face like Bron.
35:01
Speaker 5: I think it'd be by committee. I think it'll be
35:03
Speaker 5: I think it could be a little bit of Jason Tatum.
35:05
Speaker 5: I think it could be some Luca. I think it
35:07
Speaker 5: could be some Shay Gil, just.
35:08
Speaker 4: Alexander Job if you get his mind right.
35:11
Speaker 5: Victor women Yama, I think there's a lot of I
35:13
Speaker 5: think the league is in a great place as far
35:15
Speaker 5: as just young talent, you know, like we haven't seen
35:18
Speaker 5: in a long time. But it's it's funny you said that,
35:21
Speaker 5: because I wish people would just appreciate the journey more.
35:24
Speaker 5: We're coming to the end of Bron and Steph and
35:26
Speaker 5: Katie and what they've done and what they've meant for
35:28
Speaker 5: this game, and still all the criticism and hate they
35:31
Speaker 5: get it is just crazy. I mean, because one day
35:33
Speaker 5: they're going to be here, but they're not going to
35:34
Speaker 5: be in the game anymore, and people can be like, damn,
35:36
Speaker 5: I miss them, and instead they're too busy trying to
35:39
Speaker 5: criticize and talk shit about Bronnie and Katie's this and
35:42
Speaker 5: stephf can't do that instead of just kind of enjoying
35:45
Speaker 5: what they've been able to, you know, to bless the
35:47
Speaker 5: world with w NBA.
35:49
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts this year? What a new excitement,
35:52
Speaker 1: new life.
35:53
Speaker 3: Sometimes I ain't go fron it feels better than the
35:55
Speaker 3: NBA is it's what's your thoughts on WNBA?
35:58
Speaker 1: Can I'm talking to?
35:59
Speaker 6: The women's game is pure, man, you know what I'm saying.
36:01
Speaker 6: They all played the right way. You know, it's refreshing
36:06
Speaker 6: to watch. It's good to see them start to get
36:08
Speaker 6: their money and get the attention that they deserve. I'm
36:11
Speaker 6: a hooper, so I'm all for you know, anybody that's hooping,
36:14
Speaker 6: that's putting in that work, you know what I'm saying,
36:16
Speaker 6: that's grinded all these years to get to the top.
36:18
Speaker 2: I'm happy that they're going to just do I think
36:20
Speaker 2: the growth of the game is tremendous.
36:22
Speaker 5: You know the fact that we're talking about it and
36:23
Speaker 5: seeing it on ESPN and all the highlights and and
36:27
Speaker 5: and you know, we're doing a piece that I'm excited
36:29
Speaker 5: about on Angel Rees and Kaith and Clark and just
36:31
Speaker 5: their dynamic that they brought to the game and the
36:34
Speaker 5: vehicle of new fans they brought. And you've heard kind
36:37
Speaker 5: of some of the good and the bad that have
36:39
Speaker 5: come with that. You know, Angel spoke out on just
36:41
Speaker 5: the negativity and the racism that will come from some
36:43
Speaker 5: fans and kind of using them.
36:45
Speaker 3: But is that normal though, because you know, it seems
36:47
Speaker 3: like that's normal in the league.
36:48
Speaker 1: I'm sure that you guys have been called a million
36:50
Speaker 1: in one names.
36:51
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely absolutely.
36:55
Speaker 4: In a fight.
37:01
Speaker 5: Utah, yeah, I just got in and then yeah that's
37:04
Speaker 5: back when you still had the space between your teeth.
37:06
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah.
37:07
Speaker 6: I had had a cardboard cut out under the goal
37:10
Speaker 6: with me in a jail suit.
37:11
Speaker 2: Oh no, it was funny. It was funn game. It
37:15
Speaker 2: was funny too. We were all laughing.
37:17
Speaker 5: Yeah no, But I just I think the growth through
37:18
Speaker 5: the game is tremendous. I think it's going to continue
37:20
Speaker 5: to grow. It's got new eyeballs and new sponsorship and
37:23
Speaker 5: new money, and you know, we just want to continue
37:25
Speaker 5: to celebrate them. You know, I think it's been such
37:28
Speaker 5: a you know, a hit or missed with that, but
37:30
Speaker 5: just kind of understanding the lineage and where they are
37:33
Speaker 5: after twenty eight years. You know, it's arguably ahead of
37:35
Speaker 5: schedule over where the NBA was at year twenty eight.
37:37
Speaker 5: So again, I think the impact of these new young
37:39
Speaker 5: stars have brought a lot more eyeballs and attention. I
37:42
Speaker 5: hope they continue to carry it. You know, you got
37:44
Speaker 5: Juju coming down the pipeline. Who's a monster, so Paige, Yeah,
37:48
Speaker 5: So I think that league is going to continue to
37:50
Speaker 5: grow and flourish and and give something a lot of
37:52
Speaker 5: little girls, you know, something to look up to. You
37:54
Speaker 5: got to see it to believe it, you know what
37:55
Speaker 5: I mean. So you see that, you see Kamala wonder
37:57
Speaker 5: for presidency. I mean, you know, young girls or you know,
38:00
Speaker 5: it's a great time to look up and see all
38:03
Speaker 5: the greatness ahead of them.
38:05
Speaker 4: Can Joab bounce back? Y'all had a great all the
38:06
Speaker 4: smoke with job.
38:07
Speaker 2: Morel Yeah, of course he can.
38:10
Speaker 6: I mean that that was the whole thing when when
38:12
Speaker 6: when it happened, I was saying, like people like you
38:13
Speaker 6: can't make mistakes, you know what I'm saying?
38:16
Speaker 2: Like it happens.
38:17
Speaker 6: Everybody makes mistakes, they just don't make him on a
38:20
Speaker 6: level for everybody to see.
38:21
Speaker 2: So he definitely could bounce back, and I think he will.
38:24
Speaker 2: You know.
38:24
Speaker 6: I just think it's gonna take him to make some
38:27
Speaker 6: decisions too about the people he's around, because I've.
38:30
Speaker 2: Made the same mistake too that I'm saying.
38:32
Speaker 6: We make those mistakes because you know, we feel, you know,
38:34
Speaker 6: we gotta keep it real and all that at one point,
38:36
Speaker 6: but you got to get to the point where you're
38:37
Speaker 6: keeping it right, you know what I'm saying.
38:38
Speaker 2: I think I think he's there now.
38:40
Speaker 4: They don't let kids fuk up no more like y'all
38:41
Speaker 4: wouldn't be.
38:45
Speaker 2: Well. I just think too.
38:45
Speaker 5: You gotta think when we were sucking up coming up,
38:48
Speaker 5: there wasn't cameras on us constant we could suck up.
38:50
Speaker 5: I remember the stuff off I was doing in UCLA
38:52
Speaker 5: probably would have never made the NBA if I had
38:53
Speaker 5: cameras in my face. And then you know the early
38:55
Speaker 5: days in Golden State where we're out every single night
38:58
Speaker 5: drinking and smoking and every single city and fighting and
39:00
Speaker 5: doing god knows what, there was no cameras, you know
39:03
Speaker 5: what I mean. So as long as you could show
39:04
Speaker 5: up and play the game the next day, there wasn't
39:06
Speaker 5: an issue. But now everywhere you move, whether you're filming
39:08
Speaker 5: yourself or other people are filming you, there's cameras on you.
39:12
Speaker 2: So you just got to be cognizant of that.
39:13
Speaker 4: That's funny because you would hear that. You'd hear like,
39:15
Speaker 4: let you be like man, Matt Bums, be fucking people up.
39:17
Speaker 4: You be like Matt Bones, like Matt Box.
39:22
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm saying.
39:26
Speaker 5: We used to get down a little bit. That was
39:28
Speaker 5: it back in my early days.
39:30
Speaker 1: We appreciate you guys for joining us. Man another one.
39:33
Speaker 7: I did, but I forgot it. Oh oh, we were
39:37
Speaker 7: talk about John. What's the biggest thing that you repeat
39:39
Speaker 7: all the time to the young players when they call
39:41
Speaker 7: y'all for like real life advice?
39:44
Speaker 2: Me now is control your control your own narrative. That's
39:46
Speaker 2: my thing. You know what I'm saying.
39:47
Speaker 6: Because during your career, they can post certain things on
39:51
Speaker 6: TV and then a lot of times the media for
39:53
Speaker 6: the team will tell you not to reply.
39:55
Speaker 2: I'll not give you the platform to reply to get
39:57
Speaker 2: the to get what they're saying about you.
39:58
Speaker 6: Correct right, So now and they're in the position where
40:00
Speaker 6: they have their phones, they have their social media. Use
40:02
Speaker 6: the right way and control your own narrative. Whatever the
40:05
Speaker 6: media try to say something about you, I try to
40:07
Speaker 6: say you said something to the team or accounts or something.
40:09
Speaker 6: You can clear it all up on your page, your
40:11
Speaker 6: own social media so they can hear from the hawss's mouth.
40:13
Speaker 2: So control your own.
40:14
Speaker 5: Are I think that's important too. And then I got
40:16
Speaker 5: fifteen year old sons that are coming down the pipeline,
40:18
Speaker 5: and just for these young players to understand that their
40:19
Speaker 5: brand's already like you are a walking brand as you speak.
40:23
Speaker 5: And to refer back to the young ladies Kaitlyn Clark
40:26
Speaker 5: and Andel Reese, they had bigger brands arguably than what
40:29
Speaker 5: the WNBA was at the time they came into it,
40:31
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So understand your brand power.
40:33
Speaker 5: And then what Jason, I'm not a businessman, I'm a
40:35
Speaker 5: business like understand that you're really a business.
40:38
Speaker 2: Everywhere you move and you have to just you just
40:40
Speaker 2: have to.
40:40
Speaker 5: Unfortunate, like you said, there's no room to fuck up
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Speaker 5: because there's so many cameras on you. So just understand
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Speaker 5: every movie's make and everything you say can affect your brand.
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Speaker 7: There was a speaking of your kids. You talk all
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Speaker 7: about your kid There was a video last year in
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Speaker 7: November that went viral of you and Derek Fisher coaching
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Speaker 7: the Twins together. That was a really that was like
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Speaker 7: I think the.
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Speaker 4: World was like, oh wow, the world.
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Speaker 5: I was.
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Speaker 7: I remember twenty before that, right, what was it like
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Speaker 7: getting to that point where now were on the court.
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Speaker 2: It's important to do it, but what was that standing?
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Speaker 5: Me and Fish squashed that ship the summer after it happened,
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Speaker 5: like that shit happened at the beginning of one season,
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Speaker 5: and then the next summer once I found out he
41:23
Speaker 5: was around, and then twins cared about him, Like, we
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Speaker 5: squashed it because it wasn't about my ex and ie
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Speaker 5: no more. It was about trying to raise these young men.
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Speaker 5: So Fish has been in the boys life for almost
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Speaker 5: half their life, you know what I mean. So we've
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Speaker 5: always been And I was real enough to sit down
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Speaker 5: and have a conversation with him, like, bro, I'm still playing,
41:38
Speaker 5: so you're gonna see my kids more than me. I
41:39
Speaker 5: need you to teach them the ropes while I'm not around,
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Speaker 5: So to me, you know, once I got over and
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Speaker 5: once we talked about how I didn't agree with the
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Speaker 5: move and it could have went a different way, Like
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Speaker 5: it wasn't about saving that, it was about harvesting and
41:52
Speaker 5: we got to raise two young black men. So I mean,
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Speaker 5: I think he's done a great job. I tipped my
41:55
Speaker 5: hat to him all the time. I mean, he's their
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Speaker 5: second dad, and he you know, I coached him in
41:58
Speaker 5: the summer during au and coaches them during high school.
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Speaker 5: So I mean when people see us, they still kind
42:03
Speaker 5: of trip out.
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Speaker 2: But like we are. Our beef was for a season
42:08
Speaker 2: that long for y'all.
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Speaker 4: It's easy to squash beef when you win.
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Speaker 2: To fight Jackson.
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Speaker 4: We appreciate y'all. Y'all got some shoulds right show today?
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Speaker 2: Yep?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, well yeah wherever this drops, yeah to uh uh Philly,
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Speaker 5: So Philly, Philly Night Night. So tonight is tonight in
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Speaker 5: New York the seventh in New York tonight, so they
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Speaker 5: may miss it, but tonight in New York, if you're
42:37
Speaker 5: around Gramercy Theater, we got Larry, the one and only
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Speaker 5: Larry Johnson, my mom, and then uh yeah in Philly,
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Speaker 5: we're Wednesday Night with with a million dollars worth of
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Speaker 5: game and and a really special guest coming through with them, man,
42:49
Speaker 5: so where it.
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Speaker 6: We're excuted to be honest, Jones, Davies, all of them
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Speaker 6: said they was pulling up, so I'm looking to see you.
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Speaker 7: Is it gonna be a I and Philly?
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Speaker 2: You know we're gonna see what I saw.
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Speaker 5: Paul George, So Paul he couldn't come because yeah, we
43:07
Speaker 5: scrammed with Yeah, Wenna, as long as we get him
43:10
Speaker 5: up on the airplane, he'll be here.
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Speaker 4: That's one of my favorite is probably my favorite.
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Speaker 5: And he's different and for him to like, I don't
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Speaker 5: think people understand how passionate, how much he loves life
43:23
Speaker 5: and how much he loves people, you know what I mean.
43:25
Speaker 5: And we try to tell him all the time, bro,
43:27
Speaker 5: like you gotta talk like people love you to death
43:29
Speaker 5: and they just want to know how you are. They
43:31
Speaker 5: want to know what you think. And so we're slowly
43:34
Speaker 5: getting them to hopefully sitting down and having his.
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Speaker 2: Own thing one day.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, yo, play I played with doing so you know,
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Speaker 6: I'm just one of those guys, Like every time I
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Speaker 6: played against Chuck when he gets to the city, when
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Speaker 6: his boys are called me and I end up in
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Speaker 6: the club with him hanging out, you know, what I'm
43:52
Speaker 6: saying from the city to city. He lost a friend
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Speaker 6: named Jamal a couple of years ago and that pass
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Speaker 6: from counseling me and it was real close. And during
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Speaker 6: that time, you know, I stepped in, you know what
44:02
Speaker 6: I'm saying, and tried to help him out a lot.
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Speaker 6: So we just became brothers doing the playing time. Yeah,
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Speaker 6: that was with him early and my big brother. You know,
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Speaker 6: I got traded with Chris Webber off to Philly early
44:11
Speaker 6: in my early two thousands, and Chuck gave me a
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Speaker 6: car rote off the whip or off the rip and
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Speaker 6: told me if I needed So it was just like this.
44:17
Speaker 5: Is Alan and Iverson. Just give you a car to
44:20
Speaker 5: drive around because I just got it. It was like
44:21
Speaker 5: one of the Mustangs when the Mustangs first came out,
44:23
Speaker 5: the two door Mustangs. He'd let me push that thing
44:25
Speaker 5: for a couple of months. Just whatever you need, bro,
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Speaker 5: just let me know.
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Speaker 1: I'm just like, damn had that Applebee's popping right now?
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Speaker 5: Man, No Friday Friday used to really be popping, bros.
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Speaker 5: We used to get off the plane at two thirty
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Speaker 5: in the morning. I wasn't playing, so I didn't give
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Speaker 5: a fuck. But he would have limos for us to
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Speaker 5: go to Atlantic City and go chill all night, you
44:41
Speaker 5: know what I mean, have the penthouse to the lower
44:43
Speaker 5: to thirteen, Like, how the fuck is all this free?
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Speaker 2: I learned later that you had.
44:46
Speaker 5: To give a little bit of money to the casino
44:48
Speaker 5: to get all that for, you know, But Chuck was
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Speaker 5: he was just one of them rare dudes like you
44:52
Speaker 5: said that that enjoyed life and then gave it his
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Speaker 5: absolute all.
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Speaker 2: On that court.
44:56
Speaker 5: If people would see how he used to walk around
44:59
Speaker 5: on off day, is are in practice with big old
45:01
Speaker 5: elbows and hips are bruised up, and then as soon
45:04
Speaker 5: as it you know, that popcorn starts popping about six
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Speaker 5: six thirty, a different light turns on and he becomes
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Speaker 5: an animal man.
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Speaker 2: So it was just hard to he do hard. That's
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Speaker 2: what people don't understand.
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Speaker 6: You don't get people that caliber, that loves everybody in
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Speaker 6: that genuine way.
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Speaker 2: That's why. That's why it's kind of weird to people.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, salute the bubble check.
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Speaker 4: That conversation is into all the Smoke Coffee table book,
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Speaker 4: which is out right now, all the stars, all the stories,
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Speaker 4: no apologies, go get it.
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Speaker 2: That's right.
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Speaker 1: It's the Breakfast Club, good morning, wake that ass up
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Speaker 1: in the morning.
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Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club