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Elon Musk: If People Do Not Have Children, There is no their Generation!!! · Elon Musk Thinking

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  Speaker 1: And as simple as it sounds, if people do not
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  Speaker 1: have children, there is no new generation. Birth rates seem
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  Speaker 1: to decline every year. In three generations, maybe four generations.
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  Speaker 1: The population we want tenth of its current size because
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  Speaker 1: we don't want Japan to disappear.
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  Speaker 2: We don't want Italy as a culture to disappear.
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  Speaker 1: We don't want France as a culture to disappear.
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  Speaker 2: Why virus, in my.
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  Speaker 1: View, amplifies racism, amplifies frankly sexism, and all the isms
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  Speaker 1: actually divides people and makes them sort of hate each other,
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  Speaker 1: and it makes people hate themselves. Oh the exes. Guess
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  Speaker 1: what my favorite letter is?
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  Speaker 3: Okay x, I guess he's a good pleased to invest
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  Speaker 3: Italy and it's a good place pleased to invest some
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  Speaker 3: of I mean not your money, but they have some
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  Speaker 3: investment from your company, of the American companies, of the
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  Speaker 3: I would say, competitive companies in this place.
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  Speaker 1: What's your opinion? No, I mean I think it is
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  Speaker 1: very much strongly recommend that you know. I'm very much
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  Speaker 1: in favor of humanity expanding and creating a bright and
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  Speaker 1: exciting future of the world. But fundamental to the furtherance
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  Speaker 1: of human civilization is having humans as simple and basic
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  Speaker 1: as that sounds. You know, every year I look at
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  Speaker 1: the birth rates and I'm like, it's kind of a
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  Speaker 1: bit depressing because birth rates seem to decline every year,
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  Speaker 1: and I think, you know that pass. My biggest advice
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  Speaker 1: to government leaders and to the people in general would
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  Speaker 1: be to make sure to have children to create the
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  Speaker 1: new generation. And any incentives that can be done to
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  Speaker 1: incent the new generation to make it easier for men
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  Speaker 1: to have children to support the children, I think would
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  Speaker 1: be very wise. This is so fundamental. I really can't
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  Speaker 1: emphasize that enough. If you don't have a new generation,
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  Speaker 1: there is no new generation, or with current birth rates,
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  Speaker 1: I think it maybe the generations are at birth rates
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  Speaker 1: maybe half half of the replacement rate. And what that
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  Speaker 1: means is in three generations, the population will be roughly
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  Speaker 1: one tenth of its current size. In three generations, maybe
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  Speaker 1: four generations, you'll the population will be one tenth of
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  Speaker 1: its current size. Want to emphasize this point because it
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  Speaker 1: is so basic and fundamental. If there's not at least
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  Speaker 1: a birth rate which is keeping population constant, then a
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  Speaker 1: people will disappear, disappear, disappear, disappear.
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  Speaker 3: We have a lot of immigration. Somebody says that immigration
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  Speaker 3: is important for that reason. What's your point on that
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  Speaker 3: immigrations is coming in Europe and is coming in America
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  Speaker 3: from the south of America and then Europe from the
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  Speaker 3: south of the Mediterranean Sea.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think about that? Well, I think one
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  Speaker 1: can't depend on other countries for immigration. And in fact,
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  Speaker 1: if you look at say the population worldwide, and this
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  Speaker 1: is almost everywhere in the world, and it seems to
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  Speaker 1: be a function of how once a country industrializes, once
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  Speaker 1: the country urbanizes, the population immediately starts to decline. So
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  Speaker 1: one could say, for example, China could not possibly solve
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  Speaker 1: its population with immigration because if you you know, China's
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  Speaker 1: currently tracking to be maybe lose forty percent of its
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  Speaker 1: population every generation. That would be seven hundred million or
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  Speaker 1: roughly six seven.
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  Speaker 2: Hundred million people. It's a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Basically, you'd have to have the entire United States immigrate
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  Speaker 1: there twice every generation to simply maintain numbers just for China.
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  Speaker 1: Simply aren't enough numbers in immigration. And I think I
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  Speaker 1: value to a culture, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, and we know cultures.
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  Speaker 1: We don't want Japan to disappear, We don't want Italy
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  Speaker 1: as a culture to disappear. We don't want France as
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  Speaker 1: a culture to disappear. I think we have to have
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  Speaker 1: the maintain this sort of reasonable cultural identity of the
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  Speaker 1: various countries or they simply will not be those countries.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Italy is Italy.
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  Speaker 2: Is the Italy.
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  Speaker 1: The buildings are there, but but really what is Italy
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  Speaker 1: is the people of Italy. So I mean, I just
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  Speaker 1: think it's And I speak as someone who is very
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  Speaker 1: much and I'm an environmentalist, and I believe in having,
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  Speaker 1: you know, building a sustainable future for the world. I
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  Speaker 1: think that there are very few people who as an individual,
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  Speaker 1: who have done more than I have for to help
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  Speaker 1: the environment with electric cars and solar and batteries to
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  Speaker 1: create a sustainable energy future, because we absolutely need a
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  Speaker 1: sustainable energy future. But there is an aspect of the
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  Speaker 1: environmental movement that I think has gone too far.
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  Speaker 3: Really said from you.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, so said for me. You know, I think I
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  Speaker 1: am objectively one of the world's leading environmentalists in terms
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  Speaker 1: of doing things like I'm an environmentalist who does things.
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  Speaker 2: I talk of action, not talk, I act.
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  Speaker 1: So I feel I can say as an environmentalist that
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  Speaker 1: the environmentalist movement has gone too far and in that
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  Speaker 1: if you're in the natural extension of the environmentalist movement,
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  Speaker 1: if you go too far, you start to look at
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  Speaker 1: humanity as a bad thing. You start to look at
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  Speaker 1: humanity as though we are a plague on the surface
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  Speaker 1: of the earth, as though humanity is a bad thing.
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  Speaker 1: And in fact, there are some people who think and
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  Speaker 1: say explicitly that. In fact, there was on the front
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  Speaker 1: page of the New York Times there was a guy
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  Speaker 1: who said, there are eight billion people on earth.
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  Speaker 2: It would be better if there were none, which is crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Told me a joke about that.
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  Speaker 3: You wants to joke about the cows and the problem
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  Speaker 3: with the cows.
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  Speaker 1: You remember that, Oh yeah, don't worry about the cows.
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  Speaker 1: If soelds are fine, cows are not going to destroy
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  Speaker 1: the environment. Cows are fine.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, you know, we have a lot of flaws. You
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  Speaker 3: laws again against all the people who walk to them.
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  Speaker 3: You know that it is a big issue for it
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  Speaker 3: because it seems in the green issue, but is a
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  Speaker 3: very industrial issue for us.
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  Speaker 1: I think farming and cows are not do not have
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  Speaker 1: a meaningful effect on the environment.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, underline please, I.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, objectively, this is true.
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  Speaker 1: So if you say, like there's really only one thing
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  Speaker 1: that matters from an environmental standpoint for carbon, which is
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  Speaker 1: that we are taking billions, eventually trillions of tons of
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  Speaker 1: carbon from very deep with it under the earth and
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  Speaker 1: putting transferring it to.
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  Speaker 2: The atmosphere and oceans.
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  Speaker 1: That's the actually, really all that matters is taking vast
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  Speaker 1: amounts of carbon from underground where it's buried and moving it.
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  Speaker 2: Into the atmosphere by burning it.
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  Speaker 1: And if you do that for long enough, eventually you
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  Speaker 1: will get climate change. Now, I think the climate change
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  Speaker 1: alarm is somewhat overblown in the short term. It's still
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  Speaker 1: a concern in the long term, but I think it's
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  Speaker 1: exaggerated in the short term. Great, so I have to
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to thread the middle here between what like,
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  Speaker 1: what is pragmatic and what is sensible, what really matters
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  Speaker 1: and what doesn't matter. What really matters is that over
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  Speaker 1: the long term, over the course of the next several decades,
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  Speaker 1: that we gradually reduce how many millions and billions of
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  Speaker 1: tons of carbon that we move from underground to the atmosphere,
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  Speaker 1: because we're running sort of a climate.
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  Speaker 2: Experiment that is dangerous.
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  Speaker 1: But I also don't think that I think of it
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  Speaker 1: as a fundamental civilizational risk. It's not going to destroy
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  Speaker 1: life on Earth, it's not going to destroy humanity, but
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  Speaker 1: it will create a hardship if you change the climate
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  Speaker 1: over many decades.
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  Speaker 2: So it's I think my message is like, I think.
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  Speaker 1: Much more pragmatic, and I think correct and sensible, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't think we should demonize oil and gas. I
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  Speaker 1: think we should say, look, that is obviously necessary in
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  Speaker 1: the short term and the medium term too, and it'll
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  Speaker 1: be takes several decades to become sustainable. So I think
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  Speaker 1: if we just, without getting too worried about it, seek
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  Speaker 1: to have a sustainable energy future gradually, then that's what
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  Speaker 1: will happen. And so I think that some of the
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  Speaker 1: environmentalists movement has part of what is we're causing people
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  Speaker 1: to lose hope in the future. So I guess what
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to say is that we should have hope
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  Speaker 1: in the future. We should be excited about the future,
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  Speaker 1: and we should build the future we want.
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  Speaker 3: What about and even you call it the work mind? Yes,
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  Speaker 3: this is your name, you gave to the work mind illness.
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  Speaker 1: What's that virus? Yeah, so it's coming to Europe. I
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  Speaker 1: have to advise you, Yes, well, this is not something
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  Speaker 1: you should import from America. Please don't import the work
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  Speaker 1: mind virus is bad. I mean essentially that you summarize
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  Speaker 1: maybe the work mind virus. It consists of creating very
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  Speaker 1: divisive identity politics. So it actually amplifies mind virus, in
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  Speaker 1: my view, amplifies racism, amplifies frankly, sexism and all the isms.
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  Speaker 1: And while claiming to do the opposite, it actually divides
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  Speaker 1: people and makes them sort of hate each other, and
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  Speaker 1: it makes people hate themselves. And it's also anti meritocratic.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like, you know, it's not merit based. So
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  Speaker 1: you want to have people succeed based on how hard
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  Speaker 1: they work and the talents, not who they are, whether
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  Speaker 1: the man, woman, what race or you know, gender what.
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  Speaker 1: That stuff is all creating. It's an artificial you know,
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  Speaker 1: mental civil war that is created. And it's not and
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  Speaker 1: let me say, it's no fun, okay, it is like
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  Speaker 1: it is like work. Mind virus and fun are incompatible.
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  Speaker 1: There is no fun in that, no joy. It's it's work.
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  Speaker 1: Mine virus is all about condemning people instead of celebrating people,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like when in the work.
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  Speaker 2: It just doesn't celebrate.
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  Speaker 1: It's all about condemning and being divisive and being just
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  Speaker 1: I think it's just evil frankly, really yeah, yeah, it's bad.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you get a lot of problems saying so
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  Speaker 3: on your social and excel have this point of view.
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  Speaker 3: You are a good friend of my administration, and now
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  Speaker 3: they don't really like you so much for this kind
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  Speaker 3: of speech you're doing in public or not, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I just very pro human a very pro civilization, A
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  Speaker 1: favor of humanity and our collective consciousness, expanding on Earth
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  Speaker 1: and going beyond Earth, being a multiplanet species, a space
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  Speaker 1: bearing civilization, and being out there among the stars and
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  Speaker 1: finding out the nature of the universe. Like all the
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  Speaker 1: things that you know, it seems like to me, you know,
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  Speaker 1: exciting things. I mean, you can get really excited about.
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  Speaker 1: You can get excited like we want to have ideas
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  Speaker 1: that make you look forward to waking up in the morning,
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  Speaker 1: look forward to the day, look forward to the future.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, so you have to say what excites
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  Speaker 1: you about the future, what moves your heart about the future,
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  Speaker 1: what makes you say, like, yes, I'm glad about what
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  Speaker 1: will happen in the future. That's what we must, you know,
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  Speaker 1: focus on and that's why we have to have a
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  Speaker 1: new generation. You've got to build and we've got to grow.
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  Speaker 1: And I understand that. Understand the nature of this beautiful
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  Speaker 1: universe that we find ourselves in and the meaning of
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  Speaker 1: life or even what questions to ask about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the meaning of life. Let us explore this wondrous creation
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  Speaker 1: and have a good time doing it. Yeah, that's my philosophy.
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  Speaker 3: Let me go back for a little because I want
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  Speaker 3: to ask you about your perception of Europe as a building,
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  Speaker 3: not as people.
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  Speaker 2: Because of Europe.
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  Speaker 3: Do a lot of flow us want a lot of
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  Speaker 3: integration of cultures, the cultures and has a different approach
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  Speaker 3: to the immigration. We heard Meloney did a lot on
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  Speaker 3: that with the Premier Rama I see in the first
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  Speaker 3: line of Albania. What do you think about the approach
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  Speaker 3: of europe approach as a building, I would say as
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  Speaker 3: an established building.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I should say, like to be clear on immigration overall,
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  Speaker 1: I'm very much in favor of legal immigration. I think
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  Speaker 1: that generally, I think which one should welcome to a country.
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  Speaker 2: Anyone who is willing to work hard and is.
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  Speaker 1: Honest, you know, has high integrity and will add to
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  Speaker 1: you know, any given country. If somebody is an asset
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  Speaker 1: to the country, why not have them join. That's obviously
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  Speaker 1: a great thing to do. I think it's good actually
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  Speaker 1: to have an increase in legal immigration and simple legal
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  Speaker 1: with paper, with just some approval process, but with a
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  Speaker 1: simple requirement that look, if somebody is going to add
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  Speaker 1: to a country, like just really hard working.
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  Speaker 2: And high integrity, let them in. I think that's great.
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  Speaker 1: But if there's if it's illegal immigration and there's no filter, well,
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  Speaker 1: how do you know who's coming? And you don't know,
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  Speaker 1: So you have to have some you know, basis for
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  Speaker 1: saying somebody should come in or not come in. And
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  Speaker 1: my argument is like it should be a very simple basis.
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  Speaker 1: Will they add to the country, will they be a
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  Speaker 1: productive part of the economy, and do they admire the culture?
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  Speaker 1: Do they want to join because of the culture, then
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  Speaker 1: that's great. But if there's no process for that, then
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  Speaker 1: you don't know. I think, you know, at least some
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  Speaker 1: number of the people that come in will not be
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  Speaker 1: necessarily And I want.
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  Speaker 2: To be careful because my words will be misconstrued.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying all illegal immigrants are add I think
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  Speaker 1: probably perhaps most of them are good, but there will
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  Speaker 1: be some if there's no process for reviewing, not at all,
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  Speaker 1: then how can you say that everyone who is a
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  Speaker 1: legal immigrant is going to be honest and hard working.
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  Speaker 1: You can't say that because you simply don't know. I
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  Speaker 1: want to be clear, top line pro immigration, but let's
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  Speaker 1: increase legal immigration, but you should start of illegal immigration.
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  Speaker 2: I think this is just logical.
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  Speaker 3: You have a lot of company, so that's right. You
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  Speaker 3: can drink because I want to do the list of
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  Speaker 3: the company. Yeah, you have five to seven minutes to
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  Speaker 3: do that. I mean I'm joking with space x X
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  Speaker 3: never a lea ink.
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  Speaker 1: Excess, Oh the excess. Guess what my favorite letter is?
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  Speaker 3: Okay x, I guess it's a good Please to invest
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  Speaker 3: Italy and it's a good place. Please to invest some
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  Speaker 3: of I mean not your money, but they have some
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  Speaker 3: investment from your company, of the American companies, of the
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  Speaker 3: I would say, competitive companies in this place. What's your opinion?
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  Speaker 1: No, I mean, I think Italy is an incredible country,
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  Speaker 1: incredible culture. I love visiting, I love the Italian people.
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  Speaker 2: I think you guys are amazing.
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  Speaker 1: So so I want, I you know, personally, I want
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  Speaker 1: I want to actually I want the prosperity of it lean.
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  Speaker 1: I want the prosperity of every country. I want the
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  Speaker 1: prosperity of humanity as a whole. And like I said,
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  Speaker 1: I want, I have to ask to have an exciting future,
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  Speaker 1: fired up about.
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  Speaker 2: What's going to happen, and really excited.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, and I think, you know, Italy is
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  Speaker 1: a great place to invest. It's a great, great country.
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  Speaker 1: But if you want to emphasize that that I worried
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  Speaker 1: that about the low birth rate. And you know, if
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  Speaker 1: a company is to invest in Italy, they're like, well,
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  Speaker 1: you have to say, like will there be enough people
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  Speaker 1: to work there? You know, it's a simple question. You know,
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  Speaker 1: if a workforce is declining, then if the workforce is declining,
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  Speaker 1: then who will work at the company if there's no
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  Speaker 1: people to work I.
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  Speaker 3: Mean in fifty years.
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  Speaker 2: But I think it's even sooner than that though. You know,
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  Speaker 2: if I.
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  Speaker 1: Feel worried about that is the problem. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: a total Cassandra here because like I seem to be
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  Speaker 1: worried about it much more than other people. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: there just needs to be people. If you don't make
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  Speaker 1: a new generation of people, there is no new generation
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  Speaker 1: of people. So that's it. I know, I'm being you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm being repetitive here, but I'm just trying to state
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  Speaker 1: state facts, you know.
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  Speaker 3: So, yeah, so there's a good place to invest.
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  Speaker 1: No, I agree, it's a good place to invest and
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  Speaker 1: a wonderful country. So please make more Italians, is what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: You said once that the Internet, that is the system,
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  Speaker 3: is the new I've write down your world, the nervous
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  Speaker 3: system of humanity.
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  Speaker 1: What's it, yes said once to me.
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  Speaker 2: Ye, long intelligence for you?
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, the intelli artificial If that is a nervous system,
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  Speaker 3: intelligent artificial intelligence? What's I mean? Use another metaphor, you
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  Speaker 3: asked me, what do I think of artificial intelligence?
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, well, you.
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  Speaker 1: Can think of artificial intelligence as this is perhaps the
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  Speaker 1: biggest inflection points in intelligence since Homo sapiens. Artificial intelligence
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  Speaker 1: is will be essentially sort.
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  Speaker 2: Of a new is the new species.
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  Speaker 1: So I think one of the biggest challenges if I
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  Speaker 1: look at, say, civilizational risk, you know, the risk to the.
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  Speaker 2: Future of humanity. You know, birth rate is one of them.
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  Speaker 1: If we just don't have kids and dwindle away, That's
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  Speaker 1: one which I've talked a lot about. The other is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's always like potentially nuclear.
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  Speaker 2: War of course that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: Then AI is also an existential risk, and we need
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  Speaker 1: to be I think we need to be careful with
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  Speaker 1: the advent of AI. But it is very much it's
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  Speaker 1: very much a double edged sort. You can think of
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  Speaker 1: AI as kind of like the magic genie digital superintelligence.
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  Speaker 3: Will be capable of doing anything, pretty much anything, but
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't have any consciousness. I'm wondering about that.
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  Speaker 1: There is a whole question of like what is consciousness
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  Speaker 1: in fact, So here's like I always say, I've thought
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  Speaker 1: a lot about what.
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  Speaker 2: Is consciousness and where does consciousness arise?
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  Speaker 1: You know, to say, because I think in terms of physics,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and at least if physics is true, then
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  Speaker 1: we go from a start of the universe where things
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  Speaker 1: are almost entirely hydrogen, and then if you leave the
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  Speaker 1: hydrogen out long enough, eventually it coalesces into stars, and
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: then those stars explode and then they recondense, you know.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: And so like most of the mass in your body
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: was once at the center of a star, which is
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: kind of wild billions of years ago, and so where
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: where along the lines of hydrogen to human this consciousness arise.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: You get very serious when you speak about that.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, always a real question. If you leave hydrogen out
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: in the not long enough, it starts talking to itself.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Here we are hydrogen talking to itself.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: How to deal with that?
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: So if it is so important, how to the loose
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: person behave? How to deal with that artificial intelligence?
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: This is a process. I mean, I think we need
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: to kill keep a close eye on artificial intelligence. I
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: mean I am in favor of some regulatory insight, just
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: so that someone can at least be a referee. If
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: you think of any game, there's always a referee for
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: a game. For industries that affect the good of the people,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: there are regulatory agencies that oversee those industries. Anything that's
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: dangerous is overseen by some kind of referee or regulator.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: I think we should have the same thing for AI,
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  Speaker 1: just to help ensure that it is beneficial. The good
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: part of AI is that we are headed for a
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: future of abundance. So AI and robotics will mean that
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: there are no shortage of goods and services. There will
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: be goods and services. If you can think of it,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: you can have it. Basically, so this is quite profound.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Like I said, it's the magic genie. AI and robotics
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: will get you anything you want. Now, usually in these
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: sort of fairy tales about magic genies, it doesn't turn
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: out so well. You have to be careful what you
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: wish for, even if you wish for our wishes. So
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: it's just something we should be courtious about. Okay. On
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: the plus side, it will bring many benefits. Like I said,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: it will usher in an age of abundance. So the
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: positive scenario of AI is that there's an age of
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: abundance and there are no shortage of goods and services,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: that any scarcity that exists will be only because we
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: define it to be scarce and it just seemed to
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: be somewhat of an inevitable thing.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: AI.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: So is supposedly that's Chinese saying about may you live
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: in interesting times? Well, I think we currently live in
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: the most interesting of times in all of history right now.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: So anyway, so my recommendation on AIS, I think we
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: want some kind of regulatory oversight just to make sure
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: that it's beneficial AI. Great, we hope.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: So, and what about what the government's like. I mean,
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: they are elected by people like Maloney and this government
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: and the other government, they have any risks or what
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: do you think about these challenge for the for the
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: executive of the nations about all these new.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Sorry I'm not trying to understand the question.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: What's the risk for the government of these artificial intelligence?
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Are they any risks that democracy is finished?
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Well, I think there's certainly risks of artificial intelligence affecting
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: a voting opinion I suppose, and manipulating public opinion. So
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: I think that there's some risk of AI manipulating the public.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I think that. So, yeah, you know, but I think probably,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: like like I said, eighty percent probable that AI is beneficial,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: twenty percent harmful something like that.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: I'm always worried because you know, we have a new
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: government is two years, this government almost two years and
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: whoever Europe for US is our artificial intelligence. It seems
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: like artificial intelligence, but it's not very intelligent sometimes Europe,
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: and so I'm wondering, what do you think about the
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: government about Europe? For US is so important the relation
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: and their different intelligence in the future, but in the
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: present we have laws constraints that comes from Europe. What
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: do you think about that? If you have any opinion that,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: what do you think about Italian government which is trying
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: to have a position, I would say a position, I
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: mean only I don't know if there's more than a position.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: You want me to be more tough than a position.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: It's okay, what do you think it's good to have
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: a position in Europe? But to be I mean, I
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: would say different from the main course of European politics.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: You mean country decisions versus EU decisions or.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Decision about green about the politics immigration.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Of there's a separate question of like I think regulations
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: in Europe. There are too many regulations in general. I'm
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: not speaking about such a case of AI. I think
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: one could look at this as overall a fundamental function
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: of a stable civilization. The longer that any given civilization
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: is stable and does not have a big war, the
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: more rules and regulations will accumulate over time. So rules, regulations, laws,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: they are immortal. They never die, but people die. So
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: if every year more and more regulations and laws are added,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: you will.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Eventually make everything illegal.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: And you can think of it sort of like Gulliver's Travels,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: where Gulliver, if the nation is Gulliver, is being tied
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: down by one little regulatory string at a time, and
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: eventually you have millions of strings, and then the giant
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: can't move. And so I think there needs to be
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: something where we delete rules, regulations and laws, because if
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: we keep if we simply, if all we do is
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: add them, eventually we will be able to do nothing.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Okay, should I do some question about your companies because
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: here that are all the young people, not only the
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: young people from important an Italian party, and they most
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: of them use the social network.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: They use X.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: And I saw in the past days that the CEO
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: of Disney said, I don't want to invest any advertising
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: on X and he's investing, for example, in the maydaie
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: in Instagram, and he said that there are problems of
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: I don't know which kind of problem they find in.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Some I want child exploitation.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what's going on?
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: And where an important investor like Disney said something so
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: tough on X.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: What's going on there?
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Well, I think, first of all, I think XEL will
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: be fine. And we are actually already seeing advertisers returns
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: two X, so I guess they were I don't know,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: except with something I said or something I don't know,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: but they you know, I think advertisers are a little
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: They're always worried about their brand and you know, maybe
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: I think maybe a bit more than they should be,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: But I think it's a short term issue. Like I said,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: the advertisers, they sometimes get upset, but then they usually
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: calm down and they return to advertising.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: So come on, you know that there's a walk of
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: virus over there.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Well, yes, I have to say so.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: I don't want to answer for you.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, you're right.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: You're right.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: If we're going to fight the work mind virus, then
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: the work work mind virus will fight back, and unfortunately,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Disney is deeply infected with the work mind virus. In fact,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: if you ask an ai what is the most work
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: company on Earth, it's Disney And you have to say,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: what would I think they should be asking themselves? What
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: would Walt Disney think of Disney today? I think he's
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: turning in his grave. I think he's not happy. If
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: the namesake of the company is not happy, that's probably
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: a bad sign. Because Walt Disney, what did he care about?
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: He cared about bringing joy to people's lives. He prought up,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: you know, making wonderful things that children and families can enjoy.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: And you know he was He created some of the coolest,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: you know art in the world and stuff that even
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: one hundred years after it's created, we still remember it
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: and still it's still a major thing. But you have
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: to say, how great was Walt Disney was amazing? But
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: now Disney, at least for now, is deeply infected with
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: the work mind virus. I think that, you know, that
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: will change.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope so yeah, right at that, the European
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: commissioned they're not investing on X.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Maybe they're a little they got the work my advirus too,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: don't care, I think, so, you know, and it's like,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: why are they importing this this crazy thing from America?
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: You know, It's like it's it's just some thing that
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: was created basically by sort of far left crazy people
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: in US colleges, and now it's spreading all over the world.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: And it's it's like, you know, like the thing is
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: the work my advirus. It's it's not a message of joy,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: it's a message of division. It's not a message of love.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: It's a message of hate. And I was like, and
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: so I'm like, I'm like, you know, let's I don't know,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm in favor of like, let's have a future
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: that's got more love, more and an exciting future, and
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: and the work blindvirus is all about condemning one group
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: and condemning this, condemning that, and and and it's also
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: like just being like it just wants to scold you
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: all the time and and treat you like a you know,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know if who wants to be scolded.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: It's not fun.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: So anyway, I think we want to you know, have
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: a like So I guess at its heart, my concern
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: is that the work bind virus is anti civilizational and
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: anti civilization.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: I think sure, But if it represents a cost for
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: your company, what's you know, you have a trade off
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: between the cost of your position and the cost for
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: the company. What's your choice? And what how much is
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: important in your behavior? The free speech standing, that's the question.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: I do think free speech is incredibly important because if
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: people cannot speak their minds, and then we won't have
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: a democracy. Democracy is the foundation of democracy is freedom
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: of speech.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: But also saying something so yeah, and there is laughing
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: at that because he knows that it's so important for you,
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: But tell me more about the free speech because here
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: is very important person here couldn't speech for a lot
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: of people because they were considered with the Mavericks and
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: worse than that. Free speech for everybody is important, not
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: just for the person who say the right things.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Erect exactly, no, no, exactly. The free speech means that
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: the free speech is only relevant. Free speech is only
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: meaningful when if you allow people you don't like to
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: say things you don't like. So that's how you know
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: it's working. That's how you know it's working. Because once
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: you start to censor people you don't like saying things
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: you don't like, it's only a matter of time before
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: that census turns on you. Eventually you live by the sword,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: die by the sword.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Why you spoke about a free speech You're bought Twitter
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: for this free speech mean just for the free speech,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: not for business inside you both.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, I mean here's the thing. So you know,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: I think you have to say, like, if civilization is
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: not strong, if civilization doesn't grow, then nothing else matters.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Profits don't matter. If civilization collapses, there's there's no profits,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: there's no we are not we cannot exist absence civilization.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: So sometimes maybe people may say, like, well, is this
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: an altruistic thing? I think it's for me. It feels altruistic.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: But even if one is not altruistic, even if one
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: is very self centered, you have to say, if you
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: simply think long term, you have to be pro civilization
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: because you cannot exist without civilization. How important from zero
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: to ten?
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Escape? From zero to ten money you.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Are the richest person in the world. How is important
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: money for you? From zero to ten? Zero is the
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: less important and that is the good one.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't want to one or two
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: or something.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: Now, come on, no one or two, just one of
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: the Well if you say, like, the reason I guess
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: I have what so called wealth or it's really just
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: shares in the company, is that I've created these companies
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: his companies like SpaceX and Tesla.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Tesla is one hundred and forty thousand jobs direct