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"Have you tried role playing?" (Thanksgiving mailbag!) · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Jon Lovett. I'm Tommy Vitor.
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  Speaker 1: Today's pod is our annual Thanksgiving mailbag episode where we
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  Speaker 1: answer your questions and give thanks for what has pretty
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  Speaker 1: much been a perfect year.
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  Speaker 2: Just three old mailbags answering your questions.
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  Speaker 3: Let's do this. This will be fun.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Nice.
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  Speaker 1: Before we get into it, a few quick housekeeping notes.
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  Speaker 1: If you live in Georgia... Or if you know anyone
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  Speaker 1: who lives in Georgia, December 7th is the deadline to
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  Speaker 1: register to vote in the January 5th runoffs that will
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  Speaker 1: determine control of the Senate. If you would like to
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  Speaker 1: help organizers in Georgia register voters, we've got you covered.
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  Speaker 1: For every $ 2 raised, a group we worked with in
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  Speaker 1: the general called Register to Vote will be able to
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  Speaker 1: reach one new voter with the materials they need to register. Again,
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  Speaker 1: that's a $ 2 donation, one new voter. Go to votesaveamerica.com
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  Speaker 1: slash registerga, registerga.org. to help uh got to get everyone
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  Speaker 1: registered in georgia and out to the polls also we
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  Speaker 2: That great that's right move over supreme.
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  Speaker 1: Uh let's take some questions Anna Marshall asks, what are
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  Speaker 1: your thoughts on the reports that Republicans are pressuring Georgia's
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  Speaker 1: Secretary of State to throw out legal absentee votes? Is
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  Speaker 1: this even legal? What can be done? John Lovett, what
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  Speaker 1: do you think?
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  Speaker 2: It is not legal to throw out ballots for no reason.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't even have to Google that one.
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  Speaker 2: That one's easy. You know, look, sometimes legal questions are hard.
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  Speaker 2: especially if you're Rudy Giuliani cosplaying as a trial attorney
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  Speaker 2: for the first time in many, many, many drinks. Questions like,
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  Speaker 2: where am I?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Pennsylvania. But no, you can't throw out legally cast ballots
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  Speaker 2: just because you don't like the outcome of an election.
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  Speaker 2: There's even now a question as to whether or not
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  Speaker 2: Lindsey Graham acted illegally when he tried to pressure the
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  Speaker 2: Secretary of State of Georgia to throw out legally cast ballots.
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  Speaker 2: There's a dispute as to what was said. In my experience,
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  Speaker 2: I think when there's a dispute about something Lindsey Graham said,
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  Speaker 2: it's probably best to go with the person who's not
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  Speaker 2: Lindsey Graham, just because.
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  Speaker 1: He's... He lies about a lot of things.
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  Speaker 2: Lies about a lot of stuff. And all I'll add
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  Speaker 2: to that is I would really suggest checking out Um,
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  Speaker 2: excerpts from the court transcripts, not just from Rudy Giuliani,
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  Speaker 2: but in general from Republican lawyers, uh, many of whom
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  Speaker 2: are trying to get out of representing Donald Trump or
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump allies in these fights. Because, uh, the thing
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  Speaker 2: about being a lawyer when you're not on television and
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  Speaker 2: you're in court is that you're a member of the bar.
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  Speaker 2: And with that comes certain obligations, like not to lie
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  Speaker 2: to a fucking judge's face. And so the judge turns
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  Speaker 2: to these lawyers who are, you know, they're, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump is saying it's fraud. Rudy Giuliani is saying
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  Speaker 2: it's fraud. And then the judge turns to these lawyers
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  Speaker 2: and says, are you, sir, a member of the bar
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  Speaker 2: going to say that there were no observers? No, I
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  Speaker 2: can't say that. Are you a member of the bar
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  Speaker 2: going to say that that you have evidence of fraud? No,
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  Speaker 2: we can't say that. So it's I'm really enjoying the
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  Speaker 2: difference between.
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  Speaker 1: Even Rudy, even Rudy said in court around the Pennsylvania case,
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  Speaker 1: there was no fraud. That's not what they were alleging.
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  Speaker 1: Even Rudy.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if they take away Rudy's bar license, what
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  Speaker 2: does he have?
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  Speaker 1: Just the bar. Just his cocktail. Just his cocktail. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Rudy's used to Judge Gene, you know, hammering down a
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  Speaker 3: bag of Franzia and then ruling on his statements. He's
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  Speaker 3: not used to an actual courtroom.
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  Speaker 1: And it's quite funny. But, you know, Anna asks what
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  Speaker 1: can be done. Don't worry about this one. Brad Raffensperger,
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  Speaker 1: the secretary of state in Georgia, was a Republican who's
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  Speaker 1: been attacked, who's been getting death threats because he refuses
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  Speaker 1: to illegally throw out ballots. And he has decided to
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  Speaker 1: conduct a fair election and says there's no fraud. He
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  Speaker 1: has resisted efforts from Lindsey Graham, from Doug Collins to
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  Speaker 1: throw out the ballots. And so nothing has to be
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  Speaker 1: done because Lindsey Graham's scheme and Doug Collins' scheme and
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump's scheme is not going to work in Georgia.
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  Speaker 1: It's not going to work.
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  Speaker 3: I would watch his interview, Brad Raffensperger's interview with Mehdi
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  Speaker 3: Hassan on his Peacock show, because he also talks through
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  Speaker 3: the fact that it's not like Georgia is a state
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  Speaker 3: that hasn't been focused on voter fraud, right? Like they
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  Speaker 3: got rid of ballot harvesting. They have photo ID laws.
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  Speaker 3: They have sort of an extensive process. They're auditing the
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  Speaker 3: election anyway. So there's a lot of steps are already
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  Speaker 3: being taken to prevent voter fraud. It barely ever happens
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  Speaker 3: in this country. It seems like Raffensperger is actually being
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  Speaker 3: pretty principled here. So it's worth watching the whole interview.
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  Speaker 1: And again, you don't have to believe in raffensperger's principles
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  Speaker 1: or you know worry that he's going to change his
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  Speaker 1: mind what happened is graham called him and said do
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  Speaker 1: you have the power to toss all mail ballots and
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  Speaker 1: counties found to have higher rates of non-matching signatures so
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  Speaker 1: the signature match which is a bad law anyway if
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  Speaker 1: this thing if you have a mismatched signature instead of
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  Speaker 1: just throwing out that ballot you throw out all the
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  Speaker 1: ballots in the county and and And Raffensperger said to Graham, no,
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  Speaker 1: of course I don't have that power. Like, so much
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  Speaker 1: of this, and everyone's nervous, like, oh, but Republicans are
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  Speaker 1: going to do this or that. Like, there are laws
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  Speaker 1: in place that if they break, like, the law enforcement
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  Speaker 1: and judges and courts will step in. This is the
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  Speaker 1: problem that they're facing.
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  Speaker 3: Raffensperger was so concerned about the call that he was
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  Speaker 3: advised not to call Lindsey Graham back.
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  Speaker 2: That's how bad it was. Also, just to stop on
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  Speaker 2: the Lindsey Graham thing for one more second, like, Lindsey
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  Speaker 2: Graham is a senator from South Carolina, which means he
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  Speaker 2: has about as much official capacity in this matter as you,
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  Speaker 2: as me, as anyone listening to this. He's just a
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  Speaker 2: famous concerned citizen calling people who will answer. That's what
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  Speaker 2: he is. He is a he's just as a it's
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  Speaker 2: like normally celebrities do this to get like a PlayStation
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  Speaker 2: five early. But but Lindsey Graham's doing it to try
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  Speaker 2: to destroy democracy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's also the fucking chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.
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  Speaker 1: So he should be investigated for this fucking bullshit.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Nicole Dilley asks, can Biden really legally cancel student loan
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  Speaker 1: debt through an executive order? It sounds too good to
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  Speaker 1: be true that someone could wave a magic wand and
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  Speaker 1: erase debt for millions of people. Tommy, what do you think?
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  Speaker 3: Well, lots of smart people seem to think he can. So,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the context is 22 million borrowers had their
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  Speaker 3: federal student loans paused and the interest waived through 2020,
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  Speaker 3: I believe, because of the pandemic. So that's already happened.
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  Speaker 3: And then the Higher Education Act that goes back to
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  Speaker 3: 65 authorizes the education secretary to compromise, waive, or release
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  Speaker 3: federal student loan debt, which has led smart folks like
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  Speaker 3: Elizabeth Warren to argue that that means the president can
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  Speaker 3: use an executive order to wipe away their debt. Warren
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  Speaker 3: thinks Biden can cancel up to $ 50, 000 in debt per borrower.
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  Speaker 3: So that's a big chunk of change. Back in March,
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  Speaker 3: Biden tweeted that we should cancel at least $ 10, 000 in
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  Speaker 3: student debt per person. But he wanted that authorized by Congress.
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  Speaker 3: So how you do it is still seemingly important to him.
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  Speaker 3: Biden has a pretty generous, broader student loan plan. But
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  Speaker 3: when you have a debt erased, there's a question about
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  Speaker 3: whether it will be taxed or not. Jason Furman, former
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  Speaker 3: economist at the Obama White House, suggested that it could be.
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  Speaker 3: Others have pushed back and said, no, it probably won't.
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  Speaker 3: Joe Biden will be in charge of the IRS, so
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  Speaker 3: he might have a say in the matter. But, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it seems like a pretty great idea to me.
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  Speaker 1: So, Lovett, I want to get to you. There's one
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  Speaker 1: other legal question. There's, as you said, Tommy, advocates believe
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  Speaker 1: the Higher Education Act gives the education secretary the authority
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  Speaker 1: to cancel the debt. There's some people who think that
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  Speaker 1: there's a separation of powers issue here because Congress is
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be in control of handing out money. And
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  Speaker 1: then they say, OK, well, this could be challenged if
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  Speaker 1: Biden does it in court. So what will the courts do?
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  Speaker 1: And if the banks and lenders went to court and
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  Speaker 1: they won, what would then happen to the borrowers whose
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  Speaker 1: debt was already erased? Do they have to then pay
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  Speaker 1: that back? So there are some legal questions around this, though, again,
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  Speaker 1: like you said, a lot of smart people think that
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  Speaker 1: the act does give the secretary of the authority. Lovett,
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  Speaker 1: what do you think about sort of this proposal?
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  Speaker 2: So in terms of just the tax liability, like one
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  Speaker 2: of the reasons people are concerned about that is If
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  Speaker 2: you're going to do this in the middle of a pandemic,
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  Speaker 2: one of the arguments to do it is that it
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  Speaker 2: helps people who are in a dire financial strait and
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  Speaker 2: it helps get more money back into the economy. If
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden you've issued a tax liability to whatever,
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  Speaker 2: 40 million people, suddenly, yeah, they don't owe money down
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  Speaker 2: the line. But right now they owe a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: money to the government. It could have kind of the
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  Speaker 2: reverse effect of what you want. The Warren claims and
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  Speaker 2: others claim that the president can waive that.
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  Speaker 1: Specifically through, by the way, we should just say, They
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  Speaker 1: believe they can wave it through. The IRS can actually
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  Speaker 1: issue a rule saying that you don't have tax liability
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  Speaker 1: on the debt cancellation. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I do think that Warren and the lawyers who
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  Speaker 2: believe that this is legal, they have a pretty firm
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  Speaker 2: ground to stand on. I do think we're back in
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  Speaker 2: a conversation about absent functioning Congress and a functioning kind
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  Speaker 2: of system. We are once again looking to executive action
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  Speaker 2: to step in to do the work that probably we
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  Speaker 2: would all prefer be done through legislation. I do think
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  Speaker 2: it raises a bunch of other problems if you're not
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  Speaker 2: doing this as part of broader reforms. I obviously think
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  Speaker 2: we should do debt relief, and it's an emergency for
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people. I don't think that should stand
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  Speaker 2: in the way of doing it. But if you're not
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  Speaker 2: going to put in other reforms, you're still in the
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  Speaker 2: same broken system. There are still people that are going
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  Speaker 2: to be getting accruing debt right away.
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  Speaker 1: There's a practical issue to figure out here, which is, say,
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  Speaker 1: on Monday... you wipe away the debt of, you wipe
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  Speaker 1: away up to $ 50, 000 in debt for everyone who's taken
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  Speaker 1: out debt. Tuesday, a bunch of people take out new
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  Speaker 1: student loans. What happens to their debt? Do you keep
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  Speaker 1: wiping out? This is what you're saying, in the absence
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  Speaker 1: of legislation fixing the system, you have sort of this
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  Speaker 1: system where you're like, are you just sort of wiping
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  Speaker 1: away debt every couple weeks? How does it set up?
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  Speaker 1: Which I think is a challenge to figure out. But again,
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  Speaker 1: the only reason Joe Biden would be doing it this
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  Speaker 1: way And I think one of the reasons that he
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  Speaker 1: sort of hedged on the question when he was asked
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  Speaker 1: at a press conference last week. was that you'd only
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  Speaker 1: be doing it if you didn't have a Democratic Congress.
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  Speaker 1: If Joe Biden has a Democratic Congress, if we win
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  Speaker 1: the two Senate seats in Georgia, then absolutely he will
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  Speaker 1: try to pursue debt relief via legislation and not via
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  Speaker 1: executive action because it's just easier to do that way
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  Speaker 1: and it's more legally sound.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd also say too, by the way, if we had, again,
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  Speaker 2: this is not about, I said functioning system, functioning two-party
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  Speaker 2: system in which the Republicans were honest and good faith
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  Speaker 2: actors because what you could also imagine happening is Joe
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  Speaker 2: Biden basically says, I would like to see this broad
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  Speaker 2: range of reforms to student debt and to how we
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  Speaker 2: pay for college generally, making it free to go to
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  Speaker 2: public colleges, all the pieces of his plan that are
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  Speaker 2: really good, because then you can do debt forgiveness as
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  Speaker 2: part of a longer term plan to make sure that
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  Speaker 2: this kind of problem doesn't creep up again. And so
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  Speaker 2: you could imagine Joe Biden basically using this as a cudgel.
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  Speaker 2: If Joe Biden has the authority to cancel $ 50, 000 of
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  Speaker 2: student debt, he also has the authority to pause it
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  Speaker 2: while negotiations are ongoing to get something done in Congress.
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  Speaker 2: So I think we'll see. But I think what is
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  Speaker 2: exciting and good about this is it changes the debate
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  Speaker 2: from will there be student debt forgiveness to will there
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  Speaker 2: be student debt forgiveness through Congress or will Joe Biden
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  Speaker 2: have to do it alone?
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  Speaker 3: My only recommendation is like there's a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: who support getting rid of this debt, who are dunking
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  Speaker 3: on people on Twitter who say it might cause resentment
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  Speaker 3: among people who've already paid off their loans or people
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  Speaker 3: who didn't go to college and don't have loans. And look,
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  Speaker 3: I get that, right? I think we should do the policy.
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  Speaker 3: My just suggestion to them would be, let's all spend
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  Speaker 3: less time dunking on those people and just start to
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  Speaker 3: make a broader argument for how it could help the economy.
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  Speaker 3: how this could actually trickle down, unlike tax cuts for
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  Speaker 3: billionaires that Republicans always jam through under the guise of
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  Speaker 3: this somehow helping working people. I mean, if you got
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  Speaker 3: 22 million kids out from under a pile of debt
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  Speaker 3: and they were able to spend that money on literally
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  Speaker 3: anything else, it should benefit all of us and it
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  Speaker 3: should be a good thing.
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  Speaker 1: And I will also say, you know, Jason Furman, who
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  Speaker 1: we know you said, Tommy, was skeptical of this idea, said,
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  Speaker 1: one thing you can do administratively that would be very
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  Speaker 1: effective is tougher regulation of for-profit colleges. Oh, we should
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  Speaker 1: fuck those for-profit colleges. I mean, one of the major,
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  Speaker 1: and just in general, one of the major challenges here
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  Speaker 1: with student loans and the cost of college is if
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  Speaker 1: the government continues to provide grants and loans to students
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  Speaker 1: without doing anything about the rising cost of college, all
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  Speaker 1: we're doing is sort of you know, we're trying to like.
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  Speaker 2: It's a wealth transfer to the schools.
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  Speaker 1: It's not, it's exactly, it's not really solving the problem.
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  Speaker 1: And it's the same thing as not doing anything about
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  Speaker 1: the cost of healthcare and health insurance, but continuing to
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  Speaker 1: subsidize people getting health insurance, right? Which is what we do.
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  Speaker 1: We have to, the source of the problem is the
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  Speaker 1: rise in cost of college of healthcare. And that requires
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  Speaker 1: regulation of colleges of the health insurance industry. Well, the for-profit.
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  Speaker 3: Piece is, is, is even, is sort of a specific
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  Speaker 3: thing that's very egregious. Like not all for-profit colleges are bad.
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  Speaker 3: There were some that were really bad that went after
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  Speaker 3: veterans in particular and basically enrolled them in these programs
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  Speaker 3: that gave them bogus online degrees that were completely useless and,
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  Speaker 3: and got a bunch of people in a pile of debt.
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  Speaker 3: So they're just awful and they've been protected and defended
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  Speaker 3: by the education secretary currently. And it's just horrible.
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  Speaker 1: So Erica Carpenter asks, I've heard EU leaders like Macron
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  Speaker 1: say that they will be more hesitant to work with
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  Speaker 1: the US now that they know all agreements can be
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  Speaker 1: undone by the election of one idiot. How will this
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  Speaker 1: impact the Biden administration? I know he used to do
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  Speaker 1: a lot through executive orders because of McConnell, but can't
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  Speaker 1: all EOs just be undone, executive orders, in the next
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  Speaker 1: election if, God forbid, a Trumpy candidate wins?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I would roll my eyes at this
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  Speaker 3: Macron's comment a little bit. I mean, love us or
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  Speaker 3: hate us.
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  Speaker 2: The U.S.
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  Speaker 3: Is a key ally for most European countries. We trade,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a trillion dollars worth of goods and services
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  Speaker 3: a year. We work at the U.N., we work at NATO,
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  Speaker 3: we work on the Iran nuclear deal. So I guess
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  Speaker 3: my point is we don't really have a choice.
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  Speaker 2: We all have to work together.
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  Speaker 3: I think the French and most other countries are sophisticated
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  Speaker 3: enough to know that U.S. political power can swing back
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  Speaker 3: and forth from Republican to Democrat. and lead the big
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  Speaker 3: changes in policy that's kind of priced into the system
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  Speaker 3: in the same way we know that the French, like
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  Speaker 3: Macron invented a political party and ran and won. And
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  Speaker 3: that was something new we had to work with. So
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  Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that America's reputation and standing in the
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: world wasn't enormously damaged. Like I think Iran, for example,
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  Speaker 3: they will be far more hesitant to want to work
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  Speaker 3: with us because they were promised a bunch of sanctions
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: relief under the JCPOA. And they lived up to their
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: end of the bargain for a long time, didn't enriched
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  Speaker 3: nuclear material and then got no sanctions relief and actually
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  Speaker 3: got hammered even further by the Trump administration. But I'm
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: less worried about relations with the French or Europeans.
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  Speaker 1: So, Levitt, I do think, you know, government by EO,
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  Speaker 1: sort of by executive action or executive order does sort
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  Speaker 1: of highlight the importance of winning these two Senate races
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  Speaker 1: in Georgia.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it really does. And, you know, I do feel attention.
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  Speaker 2: And I think one of the lessons to me about
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  Speaker 2: the Trump administration that I'm going to really try not
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  Speaker 2: to forget is, the accrual of power to the executive,
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  Speaker 2: the reliance on executive orders, the stretching the bounds of
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  Speaker 2: what an executive order can do to make it look
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: more and more like legislation, in part because over the decades,
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  Speaker 2: Congress has shifted more authority, given more leeway, given more
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  Speaker 2: abilities to the presidency, that these things are dangerous when
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  Speaker 2: in the hands of Donald Trump. So we should be
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: afraid of them, even when they're in the hands of
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: a president we have more alignment with. But right now,
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: we're going to have a choice between doing what we
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: can in an emergency around COVID, around the economy, around
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: other long-term challenges versus our fears around executive power. And
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: if we have a democratic Congress, we can have the
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: ability to reestablish some of the congressional prerogatives and do
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: progressive legislation at the same time. But right now, we're
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: going to have to make, unless we win those seats,
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: we're going to have to make some really hard choices.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Maple Leaf Forever asks, many bridges to repair, but what
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: foreign country does President Biden visit first? I feel like
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: I know who Maple Leaf Forever, what their choice is.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: So I bet Maple Leaf Forever. I bet Biden goes
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: to Canada or Mexico first. Obama's first trip was to
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: Ottawa in February of 2009.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: George W.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: Bush went to Mexico in February, which pissed off the Canadians.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Then he went to Canada in April. I think Bill
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: Clinton went to Canada first. I hope shortly after Biden leaves,
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: creates some sort of summit or event, either hosts it
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: or travels to it around climate change to try to
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: get everybody who is in the Paris Climate Accords to renegotiate.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: There may already be actually a COP, one of the
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: summits on the books that I'm just not aware of.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: But it would be great to do that, to talk
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: about climate internationally. You could do something alongside of it
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: that reaffirms the US commitment to NATO and You know,
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: there's lots of ways to do this. All of your
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: travel will be scrutinized. All of your calls will be
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: scrutinized in ways that border on the absurd. But it
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: will be really fun to watch Joe Biden go to
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: places and be met with like crowds and jubilation and
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: know that Trump will be watching that on cable news
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: and that it will piss him off to no end.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: You know, it's funny as Biden. One thing Biden has
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: said over the years is all the time is don't
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: compare me to the almighty. Compare me to the alternative.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: No one will benefit more. In the history of human civilization.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, you already see it. You've already seen
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: it since the election. Like Joe Biden gives a pretty
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: standard set of remarks on COVID or the economy and
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh my God, he didn't yell at us.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: He's got plans. It was calm. Didn't tweet for a day.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: It's not... It's not like super impressive, but it just
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: it feels so much better.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: You know, it's funny as we say that now, but
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: you know that the other thing that's going to happen
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: is they're going to cover Biden, especially when he's on
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: foreign soil, as if Donald Trump and his. bananas behavior
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: abroad didn't happen. And he's going to be held right back. Oh,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: like the definition of gaffe is about to drop again.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Love it. Like it's going to happen.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: And then they're all going to walk around being like, well,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: we were all tough on Donald Trump. So we're tough
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: on Joe Biden too. That's just the way it is.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Love it.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: It's already happening.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Margaret Sullivan at the Washington Post, who I think is
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: brilliant and I love her stuff, wrote the tired, like Obama, Yeah.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: and then she singled out the fact that in Vietnam,
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: he did an interview with Anthony Bourdain, who is like
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: a brilliant writer, someone who cares about Vietnam, someone who's
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: taught me more about foreign places and foreign policy than
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: most political reporters who wanted to have a conversation about
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: how to get rid of fucking landmines that were sprinkled
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: across Asia after Vietnam, like super substantive, important stuff. And like,
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: you know, there's this like self-interested Ridiculous critique. And I'm like,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: I just I need to I need to maybe stop
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: reading so much stuff.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think like the Biden strategy during the campaign,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: which is like ignore Twitter and a lot of the
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: like DC stuff. you know, crap is probably a good
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: thing to continue. You can't, fighting with them never works.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Just fucking ignore them. That's my proposal.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: By the way, physician, heal thyself is what I would
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: say to you, John.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Do you think, is hypocrisy something we avoid?
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: No, I love it, but it's sort of my brand.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I'm rolling in it right now, yeah.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Speaking of ignoring things, Alison Griffin asks, let's talk about Parler.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Do you think it is something to worry about since
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: it appears to be an echo chamber for the worst
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: ideas of white supremacists? Or is the site there to
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: just blow off steam?
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Love it.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: What do you think?
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Echo chamber for the worst ideas of white supremacists. What
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: is this? The Republican caucus meeting?
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: I honestly like.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Usually you save that kind of humor for the ads. Yeah.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: What I would say is I've never been to Parler.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Don't plan on going. You know, we talk a lot
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: about how Twitter isn't real life, but there's a lot
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: of journalists and conversations on Twitter that influence the way
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: politics is discussed. And that discussion influences coverage in a
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: broader sense. And so I do think there's real value there.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: to a lot of the conversation on Twitter, even if
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: it is very, very frustrating, because it helps set a
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: larger conversation outside of that. It is obviously very worrying
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: to have yet another kind of festering swamp of right-wing
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: nationalism and conspiracy theories. That said, there's no shortage of
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: them already, right? Those exist across the internet. So the
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: fact that a bunch of right-wing politicians are kind of
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: taking their little potshots on Twitter. So reporters see it
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: before they go to parlor and post the same shit.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the consequences are. It's obviously not good.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: I'm of two minds of this too.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Like the extreme version and my concern is that like
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: any safe space for hate speech is bad. The Christchurch
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: killer posted his psychotic manifesto on 8chan. He also linked,
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: posted a link to a Facebook live video of the
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: murder itself. So that is, that is horrible to have
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: a safe space for like literal Nazis to gather and
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: plan and incite each other. I think the majority of
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: parlor people are just like whiny, stupid, trolling conservatives, right?
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: It's like a bunch of Charlie Kirks running around. And
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: the reason I don't think those people are going to
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: be happy on parlor is because they love to performatively
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: complain about how they're being suppressed and they love to
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: own the libs. And if there's no libs there to own,
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure what they're going to do, right? If
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk is just pretending that liberals hate Thanksgiving to
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: an audience of Dan Bonginos. I'm not sure that's going
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: to get him the thing that he wants. It's also
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: just worth noting, though, that Parler is backed by the
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Mercer family. They are these horrible billionaires who bankrolled everything
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Steve Bannon did. So, you know, TLDR, we need a
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: wealth tax yesterday.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Wow, I guess we'll relax. That's great. I like that.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: We have a few questions about Georgia. Adam Gray asks,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: given what we saw with McGrath and Harrison, Amy McGrath
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: and Jamie Harrison, nine-figure fundraising, but both lost by big margins,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: is there any reason to think donating money to Georgia
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: races will help versus non-financial stuff? I will take a
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: shot at this one. So I think the partisan and
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: demographic makeup of a state is by no means the
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: only factor that but probably the most determinative factor in
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: electoral outcomes and what's going to happen. Presidential margin of
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: victory in a given state is over 10 points. It
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: is most likely not a competitive state. It doesn't matter
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: who your candidate is, what the message is. It's just
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: not going to be competitive. If it's under five points,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: it's always a competitive state. Between five and 10, unlikely,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: but who knows. In these competitive races, a great, well-funded
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: candidate with a strong message and good organizing really matters.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: And that is Georgia. You know, Joe Biden won Georgia.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: John Ossoff only was down by a point. When you
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: add up the votes in the special election with Warnock
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: and Loeffler, again, Democrats and Republicans, extremely close. So when
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: you have states that are extremely close, money very much
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: matters in the outcome. Funding a campaign matters in the outcome.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: The ads that run, the organizers they hire, that all matters.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: I think looking back on it, like that Amy McGrath
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: race was never really competitive before. It just wasn't. Mitch
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: McConnell won by like 20 something points. Donald Trump won
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: by 30 something points, beat Joe Biden. Now, again, people
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: can be forgiven for thinking that it might be competitive
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: because Andy Beshear, a Democrat, won the governor's race in
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: that state. But of course, the Beshear name in Kentucky
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: is famous. And that might have been, you know, a
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: special situation. You get the situations where like Doug Jones
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: wins a special election in Alabama, right? that was a
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: unique situation and that, you know, poor Doug Jones lost
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: this time around. So there are outliers for sure. But
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: when you have a state that is as red as Kentucky,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how great the candidate is or how
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: much money they have or how the messages have. It's
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: just going to be a hard race. And so I
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: do think that like when you're thinking about where to
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: give money for races, you know, think about the races
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: that where the state is competitive and close. Now, there's
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: a whole nother conversation about like, How do we make
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: red States competitive? Well, that you, you have a lot
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: of grassroots organizing and a presence in the state, but
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: sometimes that can take five, 10, 15 years. Again, look
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: at Georgia. Um, so anyway, I would, I would, uh,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I would definitely recommend giving in, in that situation, but
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have a different, different view. No.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Well said. I mean, Biden just won. Yeah.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Give.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Biden does a big deal. Jessica Pinnell asks also about Georgia,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: what accounts for the disparity in votes between the two
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: races in Georgia and Do we expect that same gap again?
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: And if so, what happens if Warnock doesn't get 50 percent? Tommy?
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: So I assume we mean the disparity of votes between
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Ossoff and Warnock. And that is because Ossoff was running
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: against David Perdue and then some libertarian candidate, whereas Warnock
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: was running against like 20 some odd candidates, including several Democrats.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: And the vote got split up a bunch of different ways,
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: including some really confused people who voted for a Lieberman,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: which was just never acceptable. So not getting to 50%
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: in those elections triggers a runoff between the two candidates.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: And then I believe it's winner take all no matter what, right?
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Yes. Once the runoff happens in the runoff, whichever candidate
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: gets the most votes wins. That's just the Georgia law. So,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: you know, I think the big question is like Biden
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: got 2.47 million votes in Georgia. John Ossoff got 2.37
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: million votes. It's harder to compare with the other race
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: because it was so many different candidates. So there's two
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: possibilities for the split, right? There were voters who cast
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: a ballot for Biden and then also Perdue, split ticket voters,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: or there were voters who just voted in the presidential
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: and didn't vote in the Senate. And we know there
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: was a mix of both because there were 46,000 more
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: votes cast in the presidential race than in the Senate,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: but then there was about 100,000 vote difference between Biden
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: and Ossoff. So you have a mix of voters. So
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: I think the question is in Georgia, How do we
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: get people who either just voted for Biden to vote
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: for Ossoff and Warnock or people who voted for Biden
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: and then Perdue and Loeffler to maybe change their votes
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: and vote for Ossoff and Warnock? That seems to be
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: the challenge. Or new voters or registering new voters.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Or registering new voters or also just, you know, it
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: seems unlikely to me that you will have a turnout
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: in the runoff that equals the presidential, right? Like that
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: would be seem to be like pretty crazy. And so actually, Yeah,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: like we need to go after the split ticket voters
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: or the people that just voted in the presidential. But
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: also it seems to me one of the reasons Loeffler
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: and Perdue are trying to nationalize the race and Trumpify
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: the race with these like kind of spurious attacks on
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: the secretary, the Republican secretary of state of Georgia is
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: they need a Trump like turnout. And so they're hoping
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: that with by bringing Trump's energy, evil vibes into this thing,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: they can keep a greater percentage than we can keep.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: And so that's part of the fight to like, you know,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: how many of their voters do we lose versus how
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: many do we lose?
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: And the reason that it's close, that it should be close,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: is that traditionally runoffs, you have high propensity voters, right?
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: People who vote all the time. High propensity voters tend
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: to be college educated voters. In the past, college educated
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: voters were Republican voters. Now, college educated voters are very Democratic.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: And you have low propensity voters, voters that don't show
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: up as much, are both non-college educated white people. Those
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: are all the Trumpers that came out in 2020 for Trump.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: And you have a lot of... Sometimes black voters and
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Latino voters can be more low propensity on the Democratic side,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: even though a ton of them came out in 2020
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: for Joe Biden. So we do have, it's going to
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: be more competitive than past runoff elections because now Democrats
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: have a lot of high propensity voters. Okay. So Charlotte
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Greenbaum asks, how will Crooked Media's focus or mission change
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: under the Biden-Harris administration? What does Crooked look like?
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: We've actually talked about this a lot. You know, we
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: said from the very beginning that while Trump winning led
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: us to start Crooked Media, it was always about the
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: fact that Trump represented a bunch of deeper systemic problems
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: in our economy, our politics, our media, our culture. And,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: you know, Trump gone, those problems remain, those challenges remain.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: I think one lesson of the last four years is
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: we need to not just pay attention during elections, we
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: need to pay attention every day in between. And our
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: goal continues to be to help turn people's anxieties, hopes,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: fears into political action, to give them a place where
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: there's a political conversation that's not just about being an observer,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: but being a participant. And with Joe Biden in the
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: White House, we have a very short window to do
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: as much good as humanly possible in the between now
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: and the midterms. It's never been more important that people
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: stay in the fight. You know, Trump gone, everyone paying attention.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: We finally have the chance to do some real good.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: And that really depends on sustained activism. Sustained activism is
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: how we can make sure that Joe Biden keeps his
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: promises and make sure that Joe Biden is successful. We
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: can be his ally and we can provide pressure. We
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Republicans in Congress have said, oh, I can't go back
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: to my people with this proposal. I'll get killed. The base,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: the Freedom Caucus, what have you. We need to be
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: behind Democratic politicians, creating the pressure and the support where
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: necessary to make sure they have the tools in what
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: will be incredibly divisive, incredibly difficult negotiations to get as
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: much good done as possible. Is that as ideal as
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: what it would be if we had a full Democratic Senate? No,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: we should keep fighting for it. But even absent that,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: we all have to just stay in the fight.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have three quick points. The three of us
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: talked about starting a media company even before Trump was elected.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: And we did that because we thought that right-wing media
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: outlets are poisoning people's brains. And non-right-wing media outlets don't
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: give people the information, the opportunities, the encouragement to actually
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: fix what's broken about politics. That is what's different about Crooked.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: That's why we have Vote Save America. That's why we've
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: been in this fight for so long. We also, I think,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: as we have now a Democrat in power in the presidency,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: a Democratic House, and we have the opportunity to do
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: some things. We've always wanted Cricket to be a place
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: where people can participate in a healthy, respectful, productive debate
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: about the future of liberalism, broadly defined from the left
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: to the center and everything in between. So we want
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: to have that debate. It can be feisty at times,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: but we want to have a respectful debate about that.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: I also worry, and we've seen this in the last
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks, I worry that democracy will not survive
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: if The coalition that beat Donald Trump in 2020 fractures
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: or disengages from politics in any way. Trump or no Trump,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Republican politicians are just they are all in on crushing democracy.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: And and we have to we have to beat them.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: And if that isn't our focus, then we won't be
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: as lucky as next time. You know, I've been talking,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I've been saying, like, don't be worried about the coup
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: succeeding this time. And I really don't believe it will.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: But next time it could be. This is a very,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: this is a very closely divided country. Joe Biden won
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: by small margins in the swing states. And if we
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: don't keep our shit together and keep energized for 22, 2022, 2024,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: we could be in some real trouble, real trouble. Yeah.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, just very briefly, like let's help Biden do
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: the things that he ran on and that we want
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: him to do. We can focus more on, on issues
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: and down ballot races when Donald Trump isn't doing something
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: horrible every day. We need to do a much better
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: job fighting disinformation. We talked a little bit about Parler
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: and the Mercer family pumping money into these right wing
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: wannabe Twitters. But the Federalist, Breitbart, Real Clear Politics, those
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: aren't real businesses. Those are pieces of shit rags that
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: are propped up by right wing billionaires because they're used
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: as political weapons. So we need to fight back on that.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: We want to focus on activism, focus on building community
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: around progressive activism. We want to lift up inspiring candidates like,
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: you know, AOC, Jamal Bowman, like that next generation. And
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: then let's just make a bunch of cool shows and
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: broaden the audience and bring more people in and get
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: people to care about this stuff. Because like, I think
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: talking to a lot of people who are part of
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: Vote Save America has been so rewarding because they talk
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: about how meaningful the experience was for them, right? Because
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: you think about like, getting on a campaign like, oh,
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: politics is ugly.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Knocking on doors sucks. Cold calls suck.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Actually, it was incredibly rewarding and can be inspiring and
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: makes you feel great about yourself. And we just need
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: to help people experience that.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: We've got big plans in 2021, everyone.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Stay tuned.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: More shows, more hosts, more of it all. Let's take
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: some fun questions. Tommy, Sam Mastow wants to know, what's
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: going on with the Patriots?
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Watching the Jets game on Monday night was agonizing, but
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: we look great against Baltimore. We'll see how the Texans
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: game goes. Listen, Sam, we lost the greatest quarterback of
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: all time, Tom Brady. We lost Rob Gronkowski, one of
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: the best beer bongers slash tight ends of all time.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Cam Newton is amazing, but he's got to learn a
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: new system, and he got COVID, and he can't practice,
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: so cut him a break. We had a bunch of
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: players opt out because of COVID, including like Dante Hightower
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: and Patrick Chung, right? So that's a big hit to
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: the defense. They have good reasons, by the way, right?
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: We had players with the babies. We had players, a
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: cancer survivor. Julian Edelman just had knee surgery. But like, look,
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: you know, Jacoby Myers is out there catching and throwing touchdowns.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: So fuck off, Sam. Okay.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: Bill Belichick just tweeted a statement on Gorno Karabakh. So
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: this is touching all my zones today.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Do you think Bill Belichick is a world? Someone that's happening.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Someone told me that Bill Belichick has an Armenian assistant
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: who must have filled them.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: In on all this. Wow. That was, I did not
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: expect to see.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: What do you think about the past this year?
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Love it. I, I think it's, um, like obviously people
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: are noting, um, the big hole that Tom Brady has
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: left in your, um, squad. But on the other hand,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: he is bringing a lot of, um, good energy to
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: his new role as the lead counselor for the Wisconsin
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: recount for Trump. So, um, that's pretty cool. The rest
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: was incomprehensible to me.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: That's cool. Yeah. Talk about, talk about new Tampa Bay
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: voters that, uh, turn the election to Trump in Florida. Okay.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Whitney Fitzpatrick wants to know what Tommy and I order
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: at Dunkin' Donuts. I order a, uh, if it's summer,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: a large ice French vanilla coffee, um yep that's.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Right get that with an ice croque madame.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: I'll also put the sugar in yeah even though the
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: french vanilla is having a yeah the croque madame no
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: then i have a um i do the uh ham
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: egg and cheese on an english muffin as a as
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: a sandwich what about you tom.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: The ham egg and cheese on an english muffin is
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: the perfect breakfast i obviously prefer a biscuit but that
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: just can't be an everyday thing you're gonna end up
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: in a bad place um I don't think I had
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Starbucks until after college. My job after freshman year was
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: painting the exteriors of houses. And so every morning I'd
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: drag my ass out of bed and go to Dunkin'
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: and get a large iced coffee with cream, a solid
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: half inch of undissolved sugar, which I think is technically
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: called the Ben Affleck order. And that's just as good
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: as it gets. Now, I reached out to a celebrity once.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: who is one of the world's biggest Dunkin' fans. He
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: mentioned the other day that he got a Dunkin' bathrobe,
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: Josh Gondelman. And he said, ice coffee year round, unless
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: you work outside and it's cold. Best donut is blueberry cake,
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: glazed blueberry. Favorite savory item is the beyond sausage sandwich.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Wow. I did some reporting. Original reporting.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Beyond sausage. Greta Thunberg over there. But I mean, I
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: don't know. Did you guys go to Starbucks in high school? Never.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: No, I was Dunkin' Donuts my entire life through college,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: even through after college until I think I moved to D.C.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: And suddenly there were a few Starbucks around and there
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: wasn't enough Dunkin' Donuts. That's what happened.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: It was Starbucks for me was just a place to
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: go to the bathroom for a very long time. That's
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: really what it was.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Kelsey DeChambeau wants some book recommendations. I didn't pick this question.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: This is from Tommy because I don't read books, as
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: you all know. Oh, yeah, I did.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: I did choose this one. I'm currently reading Homeland Elegies
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: by Ayad Oktar, which is amazing. I think all of
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: Rick Perlstein's books are great. I always harass you guys
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: about these.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Nixonland.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: Haven't read Reaganland yet, but I bought it. Over the summer,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: I was reading these Ben McIntyre books that are like
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: really cool, real spy stories. I read a Really good,
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: but super depressing book called King Leopold's Ghost, which is
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: about colonialism in the Congo. The Devil's Chessboard to Start
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: a War by Robert Draper about Iraq.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: That's about all I remember.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's some fun. Jeez. Hey, what else do you
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: do to relax?
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: I got a Kindle, man.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: I know how to use it.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: But it's just very, those are some intense books. Yeah.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Also, I feel like we're talking to you most of
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: the day. When are you reading?
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: I read to wind down, but it's not ideal to
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: wind down with a book about how 10 million people
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: in the Congo were killed by the evil Belgians who
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: were colonizing it. No.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: I have, I just started. A Promised Land. There it
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: is by Barack Obama. I bought it.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: How is it?
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Great.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: I haven't started yet.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: So far, so good. It's a little navel-gazy. I can't
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: wait to see what happens.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: I saw that.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: How's it going to end?
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: One of those Sunday shows I was watching, like Guy
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: Benson or whatever, was like mocking Obama for having written
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: three books.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: He's like about himself.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: It was like back to the old like arrogance trope.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: And I was like, hey, man.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: You're like a Fox News guy and wrote a book.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: So maybe the first black president can write a couple.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Just a thought. He's he's. a person that doesn't matter.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Love it. You have any books?
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Yes. I'll recommend some books. One from bacteria to Bakken
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: back by Daniel Dennett about evolution, AI and consciousness and
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: bringing them all together. It was a fascinating book. I
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: really enjoyed it. And it, you know, it, The one
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: thing I'd say is Daniel Dennett, he's trying to develop
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: a theory of consciousness and it's fascinating, but you kind
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: of get to the end and you realize that like, wow,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: it's a really hard problem. And then the second book
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: is a book called Aurora by Kim Stanley Robinson, recommended
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: by Sarah Wick, who runs our company. And we were
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: both looking for a follow-up to a book called Seven
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Eves by Neil Stevenson, which is a fascinating sci-fi book.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: And it was great. Aurora is a great book. Those
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: are my two recommendations.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Excellent. Another question for you. Maurice Watson asks, I'm an
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: escape room designer. If you could create an escape room
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: game based on the past four years, what would its
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: theme be? What would you call it?
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: So that's really interesting. It's a great question. Thank you.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: I was thinking about this. And what I was thinking
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: about is you really want something that where as you're
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: in the escape room, the puzzles get harder as you go,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: because with each passing moment, the democratic and institutional tools
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: at your disposal to escape begin to dwindle. So you
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: can imagine an escape room where every few minutes, the
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: two sides of the room get closer, like when they're
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: in the trash compact or in Star Wars. And at
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: each moment, you have the squeeze of anti-democratic movements and
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: the institutional rot are coming at you from both sides
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: as you try to solve a puzzle on the wall
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: ahead of you to convince enough people to let you out.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: That was my pitch.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: That's a fun one. That's pretty cool.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: I got a couple. That's my pitch.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: You got some? Okay.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: So, escape a Tinder date with Stephen Miller. You have
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: to find your way out of some, like, you know,
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: moderate to low-priced restaurant without, you know, getting, like, a
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: tiki torch in your face or something. Escape with a
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: gentleman's C. That's when Jared Kushner's dad buys your way
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: into the escape room and then you just, like, kind
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: of walk right out.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: It's, like, not a very hard one.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: Escape a communal restroom when Steve Bannon heads toward the stall.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Is that too graphic for everybody? Oh, my goodness. Wow.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: We're at the end here.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: We've been doing four years of pots. Four years of pots.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Then I had some other ones that I probably shouldn't say. But,
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: you know, I think we could start with that.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: I think, look, I think no bad ideas in a brainstorm.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: No bad. Better, you know, other theme options that I've
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: seen in the real world are Jumanji, you know?
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Sylvia Crump asks, in 70 years. Sylvia Crump?
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Ask, hey, hi, I'm in a Roald Dahl book. Can
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: you get me out of here?
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: Sorry, Sylvia.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Sorry, Sylvia.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Sorry, Sylvia.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Sylvia Crump asks, in seven years, I never thought I
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: could have too much time with my doodle, but it's happened.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Any advice on how to keep our relationship fun while
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: working 60 hours a week remotely and living in an apartment?
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Have you tried role playing?
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: Do we think Sylvia has a partner named Doodle or
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: are we talking about a dog? We're talking about a dog, Tommy.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: We're talking about a dog.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: We're talking about a little tiny dog. They're very different answers.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, I will say I've never been happier to
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: have Leo with us here in quarantine since March. It's
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: been a saving grace. Yeah.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: We play a lot of tug-of-war, maybe a couple walks
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: a day.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if the walks.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: Are for me or if they're for Luca because when
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: I try to put the leash on her, She literally
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: hides behind the couch.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: But, you know, I think the dogs are happy.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't worry about it. The dog just wants to
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: be with you. I do a lot of ball throwing.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: I know, you know, if you're just in an apartment,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: that's tough. But you can still just throw that ball
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: across the room. I could throw the ball. I throw
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: the ball like two feet to Leo. And he literally
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: could get the ball thrown to him over and over
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: again for six hours and not do anything else. But
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: that's Leo. He's a little... He's a little interesting that way.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Ball guy.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Ball's life.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Nana Morano asks, what is the worst Thanksgiving side dish
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: and why is it string beans? I think string beans
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: are pretty bad. I also don't love yams. Candied yams,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: not a fan.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Candied yams make no sense. It's a very, look, I get, like,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: they're already sweet. You don't need to put, it doesn't
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: make any sense. Like, they come sweet. They're yams. They're
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: sweet potatoes. They're very sweet. So why would you put
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: a layer of, marshmallows on top of it. That's too
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: much like a dessert. That's too much like a dessert.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: I've never liked it. And one thing I'll just say
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: growing up is over the years, the ratio of yams
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: to marshmallows in my home became frankly near criminal. By
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: the end, Robert Lovett was just scooping marshmallows onto his plate. No,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: like maybe just a kind of like a, it's almost
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: like a dry martini. Like, hey, I'd like, what I'd
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: like with my candied yams is, can you just put
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: a yam next to it while it's cooking so it
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: gets some yam flavor from the oven and then put
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: marshmallows on my plate? That was the vibe at the
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: end of my childhood for Thanksgiving. Man, you guys are
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: wrong about yams. Yams are good. String beans suck. Bean
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: casseroles suck. I was looking around.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: You people posting cauliflower options are monsters. Get that shit
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: out of here.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: I'm not really, but here's the thing. I will say this.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: I am shocked by how much taking a bunch of
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: cauliflower and mashing it up tastes like mashed potatoes. And
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: I really like I'm into it. Obviously not in a
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: keto emotional or practical phase right now of my life.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: That's not the energy of this part of the pandemic.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: We are eating what we see when we want it
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: at any moment. But in better, you know, in more
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: disciplined times. Yeah. I'm pro cauliflower. That's all I'll say.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you fry up some cauliflower and make it buffalo cauliflower.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: That's delicious.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, John. I'll say this about- Okay, John. We're not
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: at the goddamn Cheesecake Factory. This is Thanksgiving. I've had
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: buffalo cauliflower.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: Fuck, thank you. I'm just telling you what I like.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's- I did not- War on Thanksgiving.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Fucking Thanksgiving side dish. Awesome blossom.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: War on Thanksgiving.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: What do you have?
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Blossom would be a great addition to the table.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: It would be a great addition to the table. I
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: just want to make one more point on Buffalo cauliflower
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: before we move on.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Cheese fries too. Put some bacon on those cheese fries.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Hey, restaurants. We're on to you. You can't charge Buffalo
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: wing prices for Buffalo cauliflower. All right? It's a fucking scam.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: It's just six pieces of cauliflower just because it's the same...
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: You know, it's... We're charging chicken prices here.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: It's outrageous.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Can I just say.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: Not really a potato au gratin fan, even though knowing
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: the ingredients, it should be good. I just don't know
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: why it isn't.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Don't... Mashed.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, don't disrespect me with a salad or a salad plate.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: Mac and cheese seems a little too decadent for Thanksgiving
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: to me.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Some people do Brussels sprouts.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: I don't really feel those.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Skin on mashed potatoes or skin off? I'm skin on.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: I'm pro skin on. I like them both. I just
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: say throw those skins right in there.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Whatever. I guess maybe not. I don't know. I love
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: mashed potatoes. Mashed potatoes, gravies. Brussels sprouts, again, like you're
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: going to put some bacon in with the Brussels sprouts,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: then I'll eat it. But that's ruining the whole point
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: of the healthy Brussels sprouts, you know. Anyway, Lizzo8 asks,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: favorite cheese? This is our last question.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Perfect.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Favorite cheese. Gouda and feta.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: I like a sharp, hard cheese, like an aged gouda,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: an aged cheddar.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: Obviously, it's situational dependent. Um, you know, there are cheeses
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: that are great in various circumstances. The one thing I
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: will say is, um, I'm never interested in a goat cheese.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: I don't really care for it. I don't really want it.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: I don't want anything.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: I love goat cheese.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: I like feta, but like just.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Like better than goat, but I also love goat. Yeah. Yeah.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Okay. Feta better.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: Uh, if you live in LA, there's a great place called, uh,
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: say cheese. And it's fun because the guy who works
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: there is great. Cause he'll ask you what you like.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: You'll try to answer. He'll be just incredibly disappointed in you.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: and then give you a better idea. And then if
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: you live in Boston, check out Wasik's Cheese Shop in Wellesley.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: That used to be one of my, my dad and
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: my favorite place on the planet. Nice family run joint.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Good people. Love a good cheese store.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Love a good cheese. Well, I wish you all a
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Thanksgiving filled with plenty of cheese and delicious side dishes.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: I realize a lot of people are not celebrating with
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: the usual family and friends this year because the Former
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: president or the outgoing president let a pandemic run wild
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: through the country. So that sucks. But I hope everyone
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: still has a very good Thanksgiving at home. Yeah.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Thanks, everybody, for listening. Thanks for listening, everyone. After four
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: long years.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. And thanks for stepping up in this
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: election in an incredible way and volunteering and donating and
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: making calls and everything that you all did. That is
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: what I will be grateful for.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: And though I didn't highlight them in the document because
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: I knew I'd get a bunch of shit for it.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Thank you for the questions about the haircut. I did
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: it myself. I did it myself. I don't know how
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: you do that. How do you cut the back? I'll
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: thank you, Tommy, for suggesting that I share the time
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: release video. I'll do it.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, we're going to put it.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: I did not.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Jordan didn't send us any questions about your haircut.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, they were in there. They were in there.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, you were. They were in there. Love it. Love it.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Love it's digging through the menchies, folks. He's looking for
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: those haircut questions.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Why are you so handsome? Most people were upset with me.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: I'm sick of those questions. Sick of them.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: So a lot of you have been asking me why
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: I'm so handsome.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Is this over? Bye, everyone.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving. Pod Save America is a Crooked Media production.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: The executive producer is Michael Martinez. Our associate producer is
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: Jordan Waller. It's mixed and edited by Andrew Chadwick. Kyle
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: Seglin is our sound engineer. Thanks to Tanya Sominator, Katie Long,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Roman Papadimitriou, Caroline Rustin, and Justine Howe for production support.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: And to our digital team, Elijah Cohn, Nar Melkonian, Yale Freed,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: and Milo Kim, who film and upload these episodes as
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: videos every week.