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Hear serial killer laugh, brag, describe how he 'loved' the 93 women he murdered · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Now come from that man, Samuel Little, the most prolific
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Speaker 1: you as serial killer in history. We have just gotten
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Speaker 1: our myths on spine, chilling confessions and jailhouse sketches that
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Speaker 1: Little draws off his victim. Can you just imagine all
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Speaker 1: these families, the children of these women ninety three that
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Speaker 1: we know of, the husbands, the boyfriends, the moms and dad's.
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Speaker 1: Oh dear lord, they think that their daughters left and
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Speaker 1: never came back, just left them, abandoned them. They never
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Speaker 1: knew what happened to mommy. They never knew what happened
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Speaker 1: to their daughter, their girlfriend, their lover, their fiance. Oh
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Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace. What do you think if
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Speaker 1: the first time you hadn't killing? Nineteen nineteen seven? Did
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Speaker 1: you remember the first one? Who years? Yeah? Cool hand?
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Speaker 1: They never she haled down? And what does this happen?
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Speaker 1: You know? So how long after the first one before
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Speaker 1: you did the second one without a month too? They said,
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Speaker 1: you're going pretty quick? Yeah? Man, did you kill her?
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Speaker 1: What happened? Same same procedure. I kissed him anything kissing on?
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Speaker 1: I see what's to do if I run with you?
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Speaker 1: And what that could do? You did? But bless the Lord,
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Speaker 1: Oh dear Lord in Heaven. I mean, ye, Grace, this
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Speaker 1: is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us, with
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Speaker 1: me truly an all star panel medical examiner for the
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Speaker 1: State of Florida, doctor Tim Gallagher, forensics expert, founder of
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Speaker 1: Beer Bones Consulting, Karen Smith, former FBI special agent, host
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Speaker 1: of Facebook watch series Curse of Akacre, Bobby Chicone, and
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Speaker 1: renowned psychoanalyst out of Hollywood, Bethany Marshall. You know, first,
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Speaker 1: I gotta go to levi page Crime online dot com
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Speaker 1: investigative journalists where you can read about this and all
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Speaker 1: other breaking crime and justice needs. You know what, Levi.
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Speaker 1: As much as I want to hear from you, I
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Speaker 1: got to hear it from the horses mouth. We have
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Speaker 1: tapes of serial killer Samuel Little Listen in New Orleans.
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Speaker 1: We walked outside it and she looked to see my
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Speaker 1: car that link it to you know, that's a beautiful
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Speaker 1: car too, So she had arm and arm walked into
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Speaker 1: the car. We got in, stopped at the gas station.
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Speaker 1: We went on the highway tin and going towards Slide.
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Speaker 1: Ill seen the sign see Little Woods, so I cut off.
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Speaker 1: I took off the exit went and that short enough
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Speaker 1: was the road leading into the woods, and we went
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Speaker 1: in and park. So we finally got to where we
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Speaker 1: were going into the by by the river, a little
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Speaker 1: water being in the big the head of machine out there,
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Speaker 1: a little river dragged dredged. I grabbed my legs and
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Speaker 1: pull it to the water. That's the only one that
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Speaker 1: I ever killed. My drumming. Describe the location where she's wife. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I know he's still on the wards. Oh dear Lord.
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Speaker 1: I know I keep saying, oh dear lord, but just
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Speaker 1: hearing him and hearing him laugh. Now, before I had John,
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Speaker 1: David and Lucy, the twins, I would go very often
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Speaker 1: with one of my best friend girls, Renee, who sadly
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Speaker 1: is a defense lawyer, but she and her whole very
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Speaker 1: extensive Cajun family, we would go visit them. Drive all
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Speaker 1: the way from inter City Atlanta after court, right there
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Speaker 1: to the Slydale area. I know, I think exactly what
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Speaker 1: he's talking about, Oh my leavipage crime online dot com
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Speaker 1: investigative journalist. Did you hear him laughing? Yes, and he's
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Speaker 1: talking about them very casually. He's laughing, he has a
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Speaker 1: smile on his face. You would think that he would
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Speaker 1: be talking about a happy time in his life, and
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Speaker 1: the psychologist and the experts can talk about and maybe
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Speaker 1: this was a happy time in his life, but it's
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Speaker 1: extremely disturbing to listen to him confess to all of
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Speaker 1: these murders. And we know that he's responsible confirmed for
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Speaker 1: about fifty murders out of about ninety three that he
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Speaker 1: has confessed to, that making him the most prolific serial
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Speaker 1: killer in the US, surpassing Gary Ridgeway, who was convicted
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Speaker 1: of forty nine murders in the state of Washington. Believe
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Speaker 1: I pays. You're just a found of information, aren't you.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I could have done without hearing about Ridgeway
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Speaker 1: on top of Samuel Little, but you just had to
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Speaker 1: do it. Well, actually leave, You're right, Bethany Marshall. I
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Speaker 1: want to Jackie, if you don't mind, I want to
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Speaker 1: go back and play that first sound we heard of
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Speaker 1: Samuel Little. Listen as he describes to Texas Rangers, how
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Speaker 1: quote she wanted this to happen years. Yeah, Nick, she
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Speaker 1: hadent what does this happen? You know? So how long
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Speaker 1: after the first one before you did the second one?
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Speaker 1: About a month? They said, you're going pretty quick? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: did you kill her what happened, same same procedure. I
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Speaker 1: just anything. I see what's to do and what I
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Speaker 1: could do. To the second victim, he says, what would
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Speaker 1: you do if I choked you? And he says, she
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Speaker 1: wanted this to happen. You know what, I usually hear
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Speaker 1: that in rape cases, Bethany Marshall, I don't usually hear
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Speaker 1: that in murder cases. Well, what about things we know
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Speaker 1: about serial killers is that they have prolific fantasy lives.
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Speaker 1: They infuse the memory of the crime as well as
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Speaker 1: the crime itself with sexual excitement. That's one of the
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Speaker 1: ms of the crime is to choke look at the
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Speaker 1: victim's face to increase their sexual arousals. So he's probably
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Speaker 1: thought about these crimes so many times while he's in jail.
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Speaker 1: He's relived, he's changed their narrative. He has all kinds
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Speaker 1: of fantasies about what it meant to the woman. So
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Speaker 1: giving the interview not only is giving the interview a
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Speaker 1: form of reliving the crime because he's enjoying talking about this,
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Speaker 1: but he's changed the narrative again and again to either
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Speaker 1: minimize the severity of what he did or to infuse
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Speaker 1: it with more excitement. Because you know, all he's doing
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Speaker 1: is sitting in jail with his fantasies. That's all he
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Speaker 1: has at this point, to doctor Tim Gallagher, the medical
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Speaker 1: examiner for the State al Florida, Doctor Gallagher, did you
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Speaker 1: hear what Bethany just said? I mean, just the thought
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Speaker 1: of him getting enjoyment as he watches the victims strangle.
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Speaker 1: What does a victim physically go through as they are strangled.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I can only assume they know what's happening.
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Speaker 1: It's not like you get a blow to the head
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Speaker 1: or your throat a slice, or you take a bullet
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Speaker 1: and you're gone. That's it. Immediate here, you know what's
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Speaker 1: happening to you. You know you're dying. Well, that's true, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: You know, being manually strangled as a very protracted thing
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Speaker 1: and could take as long as a three minute. While
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Speaker 1: you're being strangled, you then become consciously aware that you
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Speaker 1: are now fighting for your life, and then every ounce
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Speaker 1: of strength you have you're going to direct it toward
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Speaker 1: the person who's attacking you, until finally you run out
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Speaker 1: of strength, your body is deprived of oxygen, and then
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Speaker 1: you cannot fight any longer. You become unconscious, and then
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Speaker 1: after a while you suffer irreparable brain damage and that
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Speaker 1: leads directly to your death afterwards, as you are being
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Speaker 1: deprived of oxygen. What would someone experience, I'll give you
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Speaker 1: a sugarcoated version. Do you remember the Alfred Hitchcock movie
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Speaker 1: where Grace Kelly, the husband of course, he is trying
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Speaker 1: to kill our blah blah blah, and she is being
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Speaker 1: strangled with a stocking and she is I want to
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Speaker 1: say dial infra murder, but anyway, long story short, you
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Speaker 1: see her struggling and fighting to live, and slowly the
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Speaker 1: energy is emmy out of her. Having seen real strangulation victims,
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Speaker 1: manual or literature strangulation victims, it's not as airbrushed as that.
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Speaker 1: The small blood vessels in your eye do burst and
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Speaker 1: they form little hemorrhages that you can see on the
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Speaker 1: white parts of your eye. But you know before that,
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Speaker 1: you know we've we've found flesh under the fingernails of
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Speaker 1: victims who were manually strangled, and it's it's often their
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Speaker 1: own flesh trying to get the hands off of them,
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Speaker 1: and it's quite often the flesh of the sailor. We
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Speaker 1: can get DNA from that and then identify you know
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Speaker 1: who was doing the strangulation. But typically as your brain
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Speaker 1: is the pride to oxygen, the first thing you developed
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Speaker 1: is a very focused tunnel vision and you are looking
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Speaker 1: directly at your attacker. And as the as the peripheral
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Speaker 1: vision starts to close off, you start to um blackout,
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Speaker 1: and then you start to become unresponsive, and then after
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Speaker 1: that death is soon to follow. Climb stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Tell me about mary Anne. This our tun popped up.
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Speaker 1: Take her to the store, right, you didn't you ready
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Speaker 1: to go back to the fire. I went down to
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Speaker 1: a cels that's going down to Fort Elliot. It turns
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Speaker 1: into it runs into Elliott, right, but further out to
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Speaker 1: get further to get out of Miami. And you got vegetation, man,
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Speaker 1: And I've seen a road going off the main road
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Speaker 1: back into vegetation on this left side. I got it
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Speaker 1: out of the car, pulled and drugger into the roofs
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Speaker 1: that there, and pulled her deeper into is a path,
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Speaker 1: a little path somewhere. I don't know where it led
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Speaker 1: it to, but it running deeper into the under roof.
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Speaker 1: It's like ever blades like that. And we ran into
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Speaker 1: some water running. But before the we got to the water,
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Speaker 1: the earth was mushy. I turned loose and she fell
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Speaker 1: into her face down. And how far outside of Miami?
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Speaker 1: To think you were about a mile? Two miles? What
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Speaker 1: year did Marianna her? Uh? Sheeling it too? Joining me
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Speaker 1: from our special agent with the FBI. Host of Facebook
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Speaker 1: watch series Curse of Agricore, Bobby to count. Bobby, what
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Speaker 1: do you make of that? Well, you can hear him.
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Speaker 1: You can hear a little talk about the locations he
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Speaker 1: was choosing right this road that ran off into into
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Speaker 1: the Everglades. He knew that these were places that he
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Speaker 1: could that his predatory behavior would would be successful because
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Speaker 1: it was off the beaten track, that was maybe nobody around.
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Speaker 1: And so you can hear his conscious thought as a predator.
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Speaker 1: This is the mind of a predator. And this is
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Speaker 1: the same thing that goes with any predator that's stalking
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Speaker 1: its prey. It's it's it's judging the location, it's knowing
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Speaker 1: when to strike, and those those factors. And it's fascinating
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Speaker 1: to hear this predator go through that mental exercise because
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Speaker 1: we know what happens, but to hear him verbalize it
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Speaker 1: that you know he's in his mind analyzing the scene
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Speaker 1: as he's that it's happening. He knows there's a potential
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Speaker 1: victim there. He's seeing the road that leads off into
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Speaker 1: a isolated place, and you can hear him talking very
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Speaker 1: matter of factly doing that Analyson in his head that
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Speaker 1: that you know, we always talk about a predator going
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Speaker 1: through but it's it's chilling when you can hear him,
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Speaker 1: you know, literally articulate the process that's going on in
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Speaker 1: his brain and when he sees a potential victim and
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Speaker 1: he's analyzing whether he should strike. We have obtained actual
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Speaker 1: audio of the most prolific serial killer in the US.
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Speaker 1: We believe at least ninety three women killed by him,
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Speaker 1: usually the same m the same modus operandi, method of operation.
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Speaker 1: Are there more? Listen to him in his own chilling words, Flora,
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Speaker 1: he's cooled down. Wow, I'm saying, how many law I
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Speaker 1: know the lost control and always was good, tough in
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Speaker 1: terms to keep from getting busted. And I had that
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Speaker 1: it would be missed no women and nurses and to
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Speaker 1: the teachers, or that's why I did busted the time.
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Speaker 1: You're like, white girls are black girls? Backer black? And
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Speaker 1: I ain't backing prayer a little black? Did you hear
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Speaker 1: that he doesn't want to be prejudiced? And who which
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Speaker 1: women he picks to kill with me? Doctor Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: Bobby Jacone, Karen Smith, doctor Tim Gallagher, and Levi Page
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Speaker 1: Karen Smith, forensics expert, founder of Bare Bones Consulting. So far,
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Speaker 1: the FBI is saying that they have confirmed their were
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Speaker 1: not mine, confirmed fifty of his confessed ninety three murders.
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Speaker 1: How can they do that because some of these murders
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Speaker 1: date years back. They do, These date back to nineteen
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Speaker 1: sixty six. I believe was one of the first ones
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Speaker 1: when he was starting to offend and do armed robberies
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Speaker 1: and things like that. So it's not that we have DNA,
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Speaker 1: it's not that we have the direct evidence. But what's
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Speaker 1: remarkable about Samuel Little, as vile as he is, is
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Speaker 1: his memory. This man has detailed these murders, the location
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Speaker 1: where he was, the timing, he described, the clothing, He
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Speaker 1: described things that he got busted for while he was there,
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Speaker 1: shoplifting and other things that there are records of. So
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Speaker 1: they can go back, maybe talked to surviving family members,
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Speaker 1: describe these women, show them drawings that Samuel Little has
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Speaker 1: done and make identifications that way. So it's not that
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Speaker 1: they have the direct DNA or a fingerprint or anything
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Speaker 1: like that. They have is the timeline, his descriptions, the information,
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Speaker 1: and they went from there to say that, yeah, they're
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Speaker 1: confidence that these fifty belonged to Samuel Little. Right now,
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Speaker 1: the FBI desperately asking for your help to identify so
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Speaker 1: many of the ninety three alleged victims of serial killer
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Speaker 1: Samuel Little, including one woman he murdered in Laurel. Listen.
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Speaker 1: Samuel Little says he strangled ninety three people in nineteen
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Speaker 1: states between nineteen seventy and two thousand and five. The
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Speaker 1: seventy nine year old is in California serving multiple life
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Speaker 1: sentences and just recently began admitting to murders investigators believe
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Speaker 1: are credible. I can truly say Samuel Little is a
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Speaker 1: true monster. He's every woman ultimate nightmare. One of his
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Speaker 1: alleged murders happened in Laurel in nineteen seventy two. Little
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Speaker 1: admitted to picking up the victim's summer at a Washington,
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Speaker 1: DC bus station, later drove her to a wooded area
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Speaker 1: where Little said they had sex and he strangled her.
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Speaker 1: He described it when I interviewed him in a way
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Speaker 1: where he was actually excited about describing how he did.
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Speaker 1: He's this murder. A hunter found her body months later.
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Speaker 1: He described a victim and the way at the medical
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Speaker 1: examor to describe their matched everything matched. Investigators gave little
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Speaker 1: supplies to draw his victims. When sixty Minutes got to
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Speaker 1: look this weekend, There and the bottom left is a
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Speaker 1: Jane Doe from Prince George's County. Officials say she was
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Speaker 1: between twenty and twenty five years old and possibly originally
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Speaker 1: from Massachusetts. Little parade on vulnerable women across the country,
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Speaker 1: As he told CBS News by phone to another person,
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Speaker 1: they did well, I'd like you to do stop. They
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Speaker 1: go only one in the world, and that's not of honor.
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Speaker 1: That is a curse. The FBI is now asking for
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Speaker 1: help in matching confessions to victims, including that Jane Doe
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Speaker 1: found in Laurel forty seven years ago. You're hearing our
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Speaker 1: friends there at wjay Z. The FBI desperate to identify
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Speaker 1: all of these women, remember their families. Still many of
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Speaker 1: them think Mommy just abayed and in them, when in reality,
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Speaker 1: this devil from Hell, stalked and murdered them to doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall joining us out of la Doctor Bethany, did
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Speaker 1: you hear what the FBI agent said. He said that
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Speaker 1: Samuel Little gets excited in the retelling of the murders,
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Speaker 1: so sick Nancy, in order to get off sexually, he
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Speaker 1: would prey on vulnerable women. He would have sex with them.
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Speaker 1: He would manually strangulate them all to the purpose of
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Speaker 1: sexual arousals. That is the m right there and again.
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Speaker 1: Because he's sitting in jail with nothing else to do,
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Speaker 1: but you know, draw these pictures, which is probably like
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Speaker 1: his jailhouse porn. He is excited and the retelling of
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Speaker 1: the story. Because that impulse, he has crime stories. With
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, we are talking about Samuel Little, the most
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Speaker 1: prolific u as serial killer in history. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: as Samuel Little confesses to murdering as he says a
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Speaker 1: quote girl in northern Kentucky after a music festival. We
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Speaker 1: got to Covington and then we continued through cold and
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Speaker 1: there was a part that they were having a festival
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Speaker 1: in and she heard the music and set off the
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Speaker 1: band here and by her being a heavy tape and
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Speaker 1: she will He wanted to get to that, but the
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Speaker 1: police came on. When peaked in in a car, you
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Speaker 1: really wanted to be so we instead of going in there,
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Speaker 1: I took her early winding round Big Got Hill in Kentucky,
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Speaker 1: and the rule winds around the hills. I've seen a
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Speaker 1: little short rule going oh the hill, and in the
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Speaker 1: up top then was vegetation, but no others. And so
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Speaker 1: I pulled up in there and concealed with the car
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Speaker 1: and in the little vegetation up them on't top for hill.
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Speaker 1: So tell me about this this road that goes up
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Speaker 1: the hill. What kind of road is it? Was? It
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Speaker 1: was like a dirt rule, Okay, it was like dirt.
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Speaker 1: The grass was drawing in the middle between two tracks
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Speaker 1: when I was left for up in there in that
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Speaker 1: little road up there on the side of the road,
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Speaker 1: and she would left partially concealed by the vegetation left
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Speaker 1: for there. You are hearing the description of a murder
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Speaker 1: of a quote girl in northern Kentucky, and that was
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Speaker 1: listening to music at a music festival in a park.
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Speaker 1: I don't get it to Bobby to con from a
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Speaker 1: special agent with the FBI host a Facebook watch series
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Speaker 1: Curse of Acacore. Bobby, why such detail? Is he proud? Well,
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Speaker 1: you know what, he doesn't. He lacks the empathy that
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Speaker 1: we would normally say, oh my god, how can he
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Speaker 1: do that? Right? Because to recall and yes, in a
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Speaker 1: way he is proud, But in a way, this is
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Speaker 1: just another regular memory for him that you and I
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Speaker 1: would recall a birthday party or an anniversary in the past,
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Speaker 1: So it's not you know, he does have a remarkable
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Speaker 1: memory and he does get some satisfaction, although at his
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Speaker 1: ages less than it was when he was younger, in
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Speaker 1: recalling some of these crimes. But in this case, the
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Speaker 1: Texas ranger he's talking to Holland developed such an incredible
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Speaker 1: rapport with him that he's actually wanting to help the
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Speaker 1: detective bring closure to some of the families, and that's
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Speaker 1: what he's been doing. He's been completely cooperating with the
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Speaker 1: interviews since the ranger Holland established that relationship. And you
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Speaker 1: hear him again talk about you know, this is a
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Speaker 1: situation he just explained where the police came up to
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Speaker 1: his car and shoot him away. He was parked somewhere
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Speaker 1: with his next victim that he wasn't supposed to be,
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Speaker 1: and so they shoot him away and he just drove
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Speaker 1: on now instead of letting her out of the car
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Speaker 1: in a panic because the police just were there, he
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Speaker 1: actually drove and he immediately started looking for hills and vegetation,
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Speaker 1: as he said, conceal his car. This is a this
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Speaker 1: is a predatory machine. He's going through the analysis right
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Speaker 1: after leaving the police with the victim in his car,
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Speaker 1: of looking for a place where he can carry out
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Speaker 1: his crime. So so it's really a fascinating look into
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Speaker 1: the mind of a predator where he's just the police
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Speaker 1: didn't even phase him. The police coming up into his
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Speaker 1: car with the victim's car didn't even phase him, and
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Speaker 1: he immediately started to analyze his surroundings on where he
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Speaker 1: could carry out his attack. Bobby, you can with me,
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Speaker 1: former FBI to daughter Tim Gallagher, medical examiner for the
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Speaker 1: State of Florida. Doctor Gallagher, I was earlier asking Karen
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Speaker 1: Smith with Beer Bones consulting about how the FBI has
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Speaker 1: been able to confirm at least fifty of these alleged
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Speaker 1: ninety three murders. Doctor Gallagher, what type of bodily evidence
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Speaker 1: would there be this much later, I mean years, so past.
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Speaker 1: Can you go back to a body, even if after
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Speaker 1: it's been buried, or can you observe tissue at the time.
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Speaker 1: How can they connect him to many of these women? Well,
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Speaker 1: there are several ways we can do it. Number one
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Speaker 1: would be dental records. If they had any dental records
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Speaker 1: that are still available, we could use those for identification,
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Speaker 1: you know. And the other thing is familial DNA. You know,
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Speaker 1: if there are any members of the family that are left,
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Speaker 1: DNA can still be extracted from the bones of the
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Speaker 1: victim or from the teeth of the victim, and that
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Speaker 1: DNA could be analyzed familial, familial and or of the victim,
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Speaker 1: which would give us a good presumptive identification. I know
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Speaker 1: it can id the victim, and I'm trying to figure
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Speaker 1: out how to connect him to a murder. I guess
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Speaker 1: one way, Karen Smith Beer Bones Consulting would be, as
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Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher is saying, to put his Samuel Little's DNA
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Speaker 1: into the DNA databank codis and see how many women
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Speaker 1: he connects two over the years, Because obviously he raped, sodomize,
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Speaker 1: or perform some other sex act on probably all of
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Speaker 1: the women during the striangulation before during or after. But
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Speaker 1: what other evidence could we look for beside DNA here?
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Speaker 1: And Smith right, there is part of CODIS, which is
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Speaker 1: the combined DNA and X system, one of those parts
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Speaker 1: of the forensic database that connects two or more crimes
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Speaker 1: that are that are connected, and then they can go
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Speaker 1: into the offender database and make a match that way,
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Speaker 1: which is what they've been doing. But here's the thing.
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Speaker 1: If it's been thirty forty years, Nancy, if you find
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Speaker 1: any skeletal remains, you know you're you're going to be
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Speaker 1: dealing with with dental records, You're going to be dealing
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Speaker 1: with with DNA from bones and things like that. But
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Speaker 1: but the one thing that you may be able to find,
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Speaker 1: if they're very lucky, are pieces of cloth and clothing
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Speaker 1: that have not been dragged off, that have not decomposed
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Speaker 1: of the point of being unable to identify that piece
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Speaker 1: of clothing, even if it's a scrap. He describes one
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Speaker 1: victim as sparing a cream and red colored skirt, and
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Speaker 1: if there's a small shard of that left that may
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Speaker 1: be able to also help identify the victim. So you're
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Speaker 1: dealing with jewelry that doesn't go away. Things like that earrings,
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Speaker 1: necklace's rings that may be able to be found at
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Speaker 1: the location. If they're able to locate these bodies. How
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Speaker 1: did Texas Ranger James Holland get this serial killer to confess?
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Speaker 1: The ranger says, Little was a cunning killer, sized up
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Speaker 1: his victims and his surroundings. The first thing I picked
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Speaker 1: up on is how wicked smart he was? The sky smart?
25:53
Speaker 1: Oh like genius? Why do you say that? Oh? Well,
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Speaker 1: number one? You know the photographic memory, his memory for details,
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Speaker 1: and you're like, Sam, tell me what's around her. There's
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Speaker 1: three tombstones over there, there's a Collechey road drive down
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Speaker 1: a quarter mile. There's a white Baptist church that needs
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Speaker 1: to be whitewashed. Phenomenal. So how do you reach a
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Speaker 1: serial killer? How do you get them to talk? Do
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Speaker 1: you avoid the things that normally work for investigators? What
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Speaker 1: do you mean by that? You avoid things like, um,
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Speaker 1: you know, remorse and closure for the family because they
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Speaker 1: don't have remorse and they don't care about closure. Now
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Speaker 1: it doesn't appeal to them at all. I mean you're
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Speaker 1: asking them to open up their soul to the things
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Speaker 1: that are more intimate to them than anything in life.
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Speaker 1: Why should they do that with you? And that's what
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Speaker 1: you're working for? Real friendly? She she will laughing. Well.
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Speaker 1: With Sammy, there's indications of visualization of when he's thinking
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Speaker 1: about a crime scene, he'll start stroking his face and
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Speaker 1: as he's starting to pick sure a victim, you'll you
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Speaker 1: see him look out and up Ben you can Tally
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Speaker 1: has this revolving carousela victims and it's just spinning and
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Speaker 1: he's waiting for it to stop. At the one that
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Speaker 1: he wants to talk about crime stories with Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: we are talking about Samuel Little, the most prolific u
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Speaker 1: as serial killer in history. Take a listen to what
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Speaker 1: Samuel Little says about Little Rock Arkansas. Oh man, I
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Speaker 1: forget her name, Ohie, I think ruth okay heavy said
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Speaker 1: yellow head book team had a gap twein teeth that
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Speaker 1: with what and she she was like hunting color scamer
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Speaker 1: and she had like her hair was not really long
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Speaker 1: less and I told hen think she wants she was
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Speaker 1: about five seven, how many things she wanted? She went
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Speaker 1: aboudy coasting to two hundred by one hundred and seventy.
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Speaker 1: Pretty pretty big girl. Yeah, now where did you beat
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Speaker 1: her at okay. He dining in the rough crackhouse I was.
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Speaker 1: They were heard by six other girls. Was setting on
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Speaker 1: the porch to do seven cracking there. I stopped to
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Speaker 1: go there. I've seen a girl. That's why I stopped.
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Speaker 1: We stayed together two days, oh, I think about three days.
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Speaker 1: We was going shop differing. We went to sears, we
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Speaker 1: went to a course and that's where I got busted.
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Speaker 1: They took me to jail and she went and stayed
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Speaker 1: in the car. In the magic of Crowgers, I guess
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Speaker 1: he got tired of her laying on his property in
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Speaker 1: that car. He called and pulled the station where I
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Speaker 1: was at in north North thunzone. The dropped the charts
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Speaker 1: so he can come down and get the girl and
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Speaker 1: card him the cover and lowise. So we was headed
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Speaker 1: towards with that place where wal Marts and the original
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Speaker 1: stove ben. I whooped off the room and back into
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Speaker 1: their little woods. He was a cornfield back there. I
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Speaker 1: pulled through it and on us side with cornfield was
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Speaker 1: a trash pile. My part of car facing out where
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Speaker 1: I can see anybody coming in. So I pulled her
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Speaker 1: out of that car. She too big for me to care,
30:01
Speaker 1: so I just pulled a corn ladle lit tract, Dad,
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Speaker 1: So it was it like a cornstalk plot? Yeah, but cornstalks?
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Speaker 1: What could you see from here? I could see the
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Speaker 1: highway and in the woods is that way? But it's
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Speaker 1: what outside of Blueloo ten miles from from north little
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Speaker 1: rocketing ten miles? Yeah, it was about ten miles. Okay,
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Speaker 1: how brazen to Bethany Marshall, psychoan Alice joining me from LA.
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Speaker 1: He could see the highway from where he was. He
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Speaker 1: basically left her dead body near a highway, true, behind
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Speaker 1: some cornstalks, but by the highway. Did you hear when
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Speaker 1: he said quote I loved her, but he killed her,
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Speaker 1: and that she had buck teeth with a little gap,
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Speaker 1: and that she had honey colored skin. Nancy, you can
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Speaker 1: hear the whole offending pattern and how he tells the story.
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Speaker 1: He starts with her appearance, which is obviously what the
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Speaker 1: Texas Ranger asked him about. He wanted a description, but
31:06
Speaker 1: you know you have that the honey colored skin, the
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Speaker 1: medium hair, the buckteeth, the little gap. So this is
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Speaker 1: what he's doing. He's trolling for victims and he's looking
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Speaker 1: at their appearance. He probably has a type that he likes. Next,
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Speaker 1: he commits some kind of other petty crime for what purpose,
31:25
Speaker 1: I don't know, at a Kroger's, at a grocery store.
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Speaker 1: Then he starts looking for a place to secrete the body.
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Speaker 1: And there are so many mentions of underbrush shura, it's
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Speaker 1: like a muddy swamp or the vegetation in the area
31:40
Speaker 1: is very important to him. Going out onto a lonely
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Speaker 1: road and then facing back towards the highway. It would
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Speaker 1: be interesting to know, like why he chose to do that.
31:51
Speaker 1: Was there something sort of almost exhibitionistic about that, as
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Speaker 1: if he's killing this woman while at the same time
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Speaker 1: looking down on society. You know, I think there's something there.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that the Texas Ranger would be interested
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Speaker 1: in that aspect of it, but I think it's really
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Speaker 1: fascinating and I think it could contribute to our common
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Speaker 1: knowledge of serial killers, why they pick certain locations and
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Speaker 1: why they offend in the particular ways that they do.
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Speaker 1: To dot to Tim Gallagher, medical examiner for the State
32:22
Speaker 1: of Florida, when a body is left out in the elements,
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Speaker 1: does it decompose much more quickly than if it was
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Speaker 1: inside of a structure. Absolutely and the reason why that
32:32
Speaker 1: is is because the big variation in temperature decomposition is
32:37
Speaker 1: highly variable on the temperature and the external environment. In
32:41
Speaker 1: the outside, the sun is beating down on the body.
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Speaker 1: There are predatory animals, There are scavenger insects that help
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Speaker 1: in the acceleration of decomposition. We often find many pounds
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Speaker 1: of maggots and beetles worms inside of these bodies when
33:02
Speaker 1: they decompose, and that accelerates the decomposition. You know, after
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Speaker 1: watching and listening to hours of this guy confessing to
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Speaker 1: one murder after the next, it's like he's describing going
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Speaker 1: on dates with these women. He knows. One is named Ruth,
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Speaker 1: and he says he loved her. He seems attached to
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Speaker 1: her buck teeth and a little gap between the front
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Speaker 1: two teeth. Bobby Chacone host a Facebook watch series Curse
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Speaker 1: of Aqacor. I noticed he gets more and more animated
33:33
Speaker 1: and into it and excited as he describes how he
33:38
Speaker 1: strangles his victims. At one point, he says, she was
33:42
Speaker 1: fighting for her life and I'm fighting for my pleasure. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And this is this is a hallmark of a sexual sadist,
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Speaker 1: which he probably was. And this is what doctor Marshall
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Speaker 1: described earlier, where he's deriving sexual pleasure out of her fear,
33:58
Speaker 1: anxiety and pain. And so you know, I wouldn't be
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Speaker 1: surprised and we'll never know, um, but I wouldn't be
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Speaker 1: surprised if some of these manual strangulations didn't end in
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Speaker 1: death the first time. In other words, he brings them
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Speaker 1: to the edge of death and then they start, He
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Speaker 1: allows him to start breathing again, and then he repeats that,
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Speaker 1: he repeats the act. So um, the the the sexual
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Speaker 1: gratification of the sexual status will achieve is not from
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Speaker 1: the sex act itself, but it's actually the lead up.
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Speaker 1: And of course, now that he's able to talk about
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Speaker 1: it again, he's reliving that and he's he's he's deriving
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Speaker 1: pleasure from it again. So that's that's what you're hearing
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Speaker 1: in his voice. You're hearing that that satisfaction and that
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Speaker 1: pleasure that he's getting recalling these these many horrific crimes,
34:39
Speaker 1: you know, decades later. Take a listen to what this
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Speaker 1: prolific serial killer, Samuel Little says about Vegas. She was
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Speaker 1: dusky about forty years though. When she's got the course,
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Speaker 1: I thank you drove a course, would she would like
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Speaker 1: five five five three, and she waited about hunting ten twenty?
35:06
Speaker 1: What about her? Did you know the bloycase? She devel
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Speaker 1: the son? She called him over it and he came
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Speaker 1: over a ship my hands, neverthing yet? How old was
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Speaker 1: he was? About twenty or about nineteen twenty? Okay? Blackmail
35:23
Speaker 1: or black mill? And where were you out when you
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Speaker 1: met her? It was on the Ones venue? Okay Jackson?
35:30
Speaker 1: Where did you eventually take her? Her body too? I
35:33
Speaker 1: was over here to what California? So as that drove
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Speaker 1: out of Las Vegas, and then I've seen a motail
35:43
Speaker 1: and road leading up to the rutail. You know, there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of bushing impressions us beside the road before
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Speaker 1: you got to that motail. That's where I drove, pulled
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Speaker 1: her about out and rolled it down there, and I
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Speaker 1: heard a secondary role or always ruling to doctor Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: Bobby Chacone, Karen Smith, doctor Tim Gallagher, and Levi Page.
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Speaker 1: The FBI is still begging the public to help identify
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Speaker 1: these victims and bring some peace to their long abandoned families.
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Speaker 1: Can you even imagine that kind of pain? Go to
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Speaker 1: crime online dot Com where you can see not only
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Speaker 1: see and hear Samuel Little's confessions and allies and judging
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Speaker 1: for yourself, but also links to help identify these women.
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Speaker 1: We now know at least ninety three women terrorized, sexually assaulted,
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Speaker 1: and murdered. We wait as justice unfolds Nancy Grace's crime story,
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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,