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The Kenny Report | 9 December · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Live from the sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me for another week here on the
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Speaker 2: Kenny Report. Anthony albaneze he's failing to lead the nation
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Speaker 2: as anti Semitism continues to raise its ugly head. If
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Speaker 2: he's not leading on this after fourteen months, he'll never
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Speaker 2: get on top of it. I'll speak with Holocaust survivor
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Speaker 2: Suzie Smead and with former Treasurer Josh Friedenberg. The Climate
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Speaker 2: Council love to spread fear about the weather, so I
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Speaker 2: thought i'd have them on here to see what they've
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Speaker 2: got to say. Also, Gemtonieni and Caroline are also joined
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Speaker 2: me to talk about the energy debate, opinion polls, and
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Speaker 2: the next US President. Catching up with the next King
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Speaker 2: of Australia. Let's get cracking. This is a troubling time
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Speaker 2: for our nation. It has been for a long while,
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Speaker 2: but it reached a new low on Friday with the
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Speaker 2: firebombing of that suburban Melbourne synagogue. This arson attack struck
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Speaker 2: at the heart of that Jewish Australian community. It was
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Speaker 2: an attack that could have killed people but thankfully didn't.
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Speaker 2: But its message of fear, of intimidation, of imminent threat
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Speaker 2: and of hatred was so clear, and the crime has
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Speaker 2: now been classified a terrorist attack as federal and Victorian
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Speaker 2: police investigate. But to understand the full implications of this
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Speaker 2: for the country and for the Prime.
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Speaker 1: Minister, I want to go back and share some history.
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Speaker 2: Let's start with what Ethny Albanezi promised on election night.
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Speaker 3: My labor team will work every day to bring Australians
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Speaker 3: together and I will lead a government worthy of the
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Speaker 3: people of Australia. I want to seek our common purpose
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Speaker 3: and promote unity and optimism, not fear and division.
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Speaker 2: Empty words, aren't they, because all we have seen is
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Speaker 2: weakness and that weakness has delivered fear and division. We
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Speaker 2: know weakness is provocative to evil actors, and so it's
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Speaker 2: proven to be yet again. On October the eighth last year,
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Speaker 2: a Muslims shake celebrated the slaughter of more than twelve
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Speaker 2: hundred innocent Israelis the day before, Yes, he celebrated their murder.
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Speaker 1: That's a day of courage, and you'll remember.
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Speaker 2: The next night, people chanted gas the Jews or where's
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Speaker 2: the Jews? Choose your poison? Defiling the opera house steps.
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Speaker 2: Jewish people were warned away. Our global landmark was handed
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Speaker 2: over to the haters and no one was arrested. And
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Speaker 2: on this program, I've called this out from the get go.
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Speaker 2: The promoters of this bile or to face the full
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Speaker 2: force of our anti terror laws. We're a tolerant nation,
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Speaker 2: but we shouldn't tolerate this savage intolerance. Our politicians show weakness,
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Speaker 2: our police show weakness. Our schools, our universities, our public service,
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Speaker 2: they all show weakness. If you only show weakness, you
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Speaker 2: won't last. The extremists will have their way with you.
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Speaker 1: In the end.
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Speaker 2: This will just increase the vulnerability of the Jewish communities
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Speaker 2: in Australia.
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Speaker 1: This is all almost fourteen months.
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Speaker 2: Ago, well over a year ago, and tragically it all
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Speaker 2: fell on deaf ears. I was far from the only
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Speaker 2: person making these calls. Jewish community leaders, politicians, other commentators,
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Speaker 2: many people were pleading for action, but we saw far
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Speaker 2: too live action, not even strong language from governments. And
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Speaker 2: all this year we've seen it getting predictable, predictably worse. Threats, charts,
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Speaker 2: docs and graffiti, cars burned, businesses attacked, and on and on.
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Speaker 1: You see.
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Speaker 2: The trouble is they spend so much time criticizing Israel,
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Speaker 2: warning Israel about its actions that it just gives license
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Speaker 2: to the haters. Wog and ALBANIZI need to understand there
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Speaker 2: are values to uphold, lives to protect, and threats to
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Speaker 2: be counted, threats to our civilization. These challenges are much
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Speaker 2: more important than politics. Albanesi and Wang are kidding themselves
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Speaker 2: if they think their weakness does not undermine Australia globally
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Speaker 2: and increase the danger of more social division at home
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Speaker 2: and lead to the risk of more anti Semitism and
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Speaker 2: more Islamist extremist terrorism. The Albanzi and the Federal Labor
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Speaker 2: government are culpable for what we are seeing.
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Speaker 1: They've been weak.
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Speaker 2: They've spent more time attacking Israel than they have condemning Hummus.
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister, please show some leadership. It's not only your job,
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Speaker 2: it's your responsibility, and you're letting the country down. The
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister issued a statement. Of course, Anthony Albanesi condemned it.
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Speaker 2: But what's he done over the past thirteen months? What
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Speaker 2: has he done to stamp out this rising tide of
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Speaker 2: anti Semitism.
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Speaker 1: The answer is nothing. He's been feeble, he's been weak.
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Speaker 2: Look, I got to say, I've sent the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: personal messages on this as well. And yes, I've been
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Speaker 2: like a broken record, and yes we've all been going
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Speaker 2: on about this for well over a year because it's
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Speaker 2: so important, and nothing has happened. It's gotten worse. And
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Speaker 2: the reason I show you all this, it could go
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Speaker 2: on for hours, all that sort of stuff that we've
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Speaker 2: talked about over the past fourteen months, is to just
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Speaker 2: underline how many episodes there've been, how many warnings, how
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Speaker 2: many please Yet all we've seen is weezle words from
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Speaker 2: Alban Easy and other labor politicians. We've seen the federal
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Speaker 2: government become increasingly critical of Israel and adopt weaker positions
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Speaker 2: at the United Nations, moves that just distort the reality
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Speaker 2: and amplify the hatred. The trend continued this month at
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Speaker 2: the United Nations and on our streets. Australia has diminished
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Speaker 2: its standing. It's abandoned an ally, it's broken with our
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Speaker 2: most powerful ally in the United States, it's deserted again
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Speaker 2: Jewish Australians, and it's given a boost to every Islamist
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Speaker 2: extremist in the world. This is reckless and dangerous stuff. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: they claim to be opposed to the Israeli government, only
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Speaker 2: not Jews, yet they targeted a synagogue, leaving Jewish Australians
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Speaker 2: hold up inside. Yeah, just terrible stuff. The whole river
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Speaker 2: to the sea bile was rolled out again and police
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Speaker 2: just stood by and washed. Even though today the New
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Speaker 2: South Wales Police declared that this was an unauthorized protest.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was just last week.
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Speaker 2: All the way through weakness, so that on Thursday, last Thursday,
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Speaker 2: on this program, former federal Labor Minister Mike Kelly told
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Speaker 2: me that the Prime Minister needed to show more strength
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Speaker 2: to prevent worse outcomes.
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Speaker 4: The government is putting at risk our national security here
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Speaker 4: and our social cohesion because it appears as if.
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Speaker 5: They were a war.
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Speaker 4: Every new escalated act of violence out there by those
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Speaker 4: activists who are committed to that course of action, and
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Speaker 4: so every time that they're rewarded for those courses of action,
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Speaker 4: they're just emboldened to take it further.
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Speaker 2: That's a former labor minister, a labor man, warning his
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Speaker 2: own prime minister, his own labor prime minister, to show
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Speaker 2: some strength because otherwise you're emboldening the extremists. And then
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Speaker 2: within hours of that prescient warning, the Adash Synagogue was
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Speaker 2: firebomb He.
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Speaker 6: Was one of two worshipers inside the building when it
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Speaker 6: came under attack at four o'clock this morning. Firebombs were
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Speaker 6: pelted through the glass, security cameras capturing the moment the
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Speaker 6: blazer erupted. Within minutes, the synagogue was up in flames,
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Speaker 6: taking more than sixty firefighters to control the fire.
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Speaker 2: This attack has prompted national outrage and a level of
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Speaker 2: political engagement that's been.
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Speaker 1: Missing for fourteen months.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister chaired a meeting of Cabinets National Security
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Speaker 2: Committee today and fronted the media afterwards with the heads
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Speaker 2: of the Federal Police and ASIO.
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Speaker 3: Today I can also announce that we have established AFP
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Speaker 3: Special Operation Avelite for Anti Semitism. This is in response
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Speaker 3: to the attack class Friday morning that is now the
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Speaker 3: third arson attack after the attack on Josh Burns's electorate
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Speaker 3: office and the Sydney Willara Kha incident.
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Speaker 2: Fourteen months after we saw that hatred on the Opera
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Speaker 2: House steps a task force Albanez. He claims to have
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Speaker 2: been on the case all along, passing laws against Nazi
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Speaker 2: symbols and appointing an anti Semitism envoy, but it's all
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Speaker 2: empty words coming too late.
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Speaker 1: The Prime Minister has been more.
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Speaker 2: Critical of Israel than he has of the anti Israel mobs,
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Speaker 2: which is no surprise because he used to be among them, protesting.
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Speaker 1: With them back in the day.
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Speaker 2: And even today, Alberanzi was insipid, preoccupied with process, and
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Speaker 2: focused on defending his own actions rather than our national values.
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Speaker 2: Apparently it was wrong to accuse him of playing tennis
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Speaker 2: on Saturday morning at a time of national crisis, because
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Speaker 2: he played in the afternoon.
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Speaker 1: Give us a break.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister has offered more money for security at
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Speaker 2: Jewish institutions, which is dealing with the symptom rather than
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Speaker 2: the cause.
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Speaker 1: Little wonder.
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Speaker 2: Former deputy Federal Liberal leader Josh Friedenberg had this to.
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Speaker 7: Say, Anthony Alberanzi has to take on some of the
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Speaker 7: extremists in his party, some of the extremists in society,
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Speaker 7: and he has to use his position as the first
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Speaker 7: among equals in the Parliament to affect real and lasting change.
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Speaker 7: I'm not holding my breath because his record today has
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Speaker 7: been so poor.
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Speaker 1: I'll have that.
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Speaker 2: Full interview with Josh Frodenberg later in the program, but
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Speaker 2: let me make two points here to summarize.
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Speaker 1: First, if we allow this sort of.
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Speaker 2: Hatred bigotry and violence to be perpetrated against one group
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Speaker 2: of people in this country, then we're undermining the very
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Speaker 2: fabric of this nation for all of us. It's shameful
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Speaker 2: and intolerable. And second, if we've seen so little action,
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Speaker 2: so little outrage, and so little leadership from Anthony Alberanezi
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Speaker 2: after fourteen months of strife, warnings and please for help,
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Speaker 2: then it's clear he'll never show leadership. It's clear he's
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Speaker 2: not up to the job, and that means this will
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Speaker 2: only get worse until there's change at the top. Let's
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Speaker 2: bring in Dave Shama, Liberal Senator for New South Wales,
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Speaker 2: former Australian and bassett to Israel, joining me live from Sydney.
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Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again. Dave.
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Speaker 2: Tell me about your assessment of the response today from
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Speaker 2: the Federal government and the National Security Committee of Cabinet
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Speaker 2: declaring this terrorist Act and setting up a task force
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Speaker 2: against antisemitism.
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Speaker 8: Well, I'd say it's about time. It's only come in
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Speaker 8: response to significant political pressure from the Jewish community but
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Speaker 8: also from the opposition from ourselves, and these are the
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Speaker 8: sorts of steps that should have been taken months ago.
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Speaker 8: I mean the fact that we have reached this point
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Speaker 8: where places of worship are getting firebombed, where the Jewish community,
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Speaker 8: which tends to stay out of politics as much as
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Speaker 8: it can, has pleaded with the prime ministers do more.
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Speaker 8: It just shows the dereliction of leadership that's taken place
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Speaker 8: over the last twelve to forty months in government that
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Speaker 8: has either been in denial about the scale of the
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Speaker 8: problem we're facing or seeking to obfuscate some of the solutions.
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Speaker 8: It's been a terrible performance by them. Now I welcome
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Speaker 8: the small steps they've taken today, but a lot more
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Speaker 8: needs to be done well.
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Speaker 2: As I showed at the top of the program, I'm
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Speaker 2: among many people who have been pointing this out all along,
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Speaker 2: and you two have been Dave.
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Speaker 1: Now, this is what confuses me.
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Speaker 2: It's been so clear the anti semitism at play here,
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Speaker 2: the hatred, the threats, the vandalism on display for all
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Speaker 2: of the last fourteen months, and that.
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Speaker 1: The government needed to do. Do you think they just
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Speaker 1: thought that this would wither.
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Speaker 2: On the vine and die away. Do you think they
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Speaker 2: were so naive that they didn't expect this was going
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Speaker 2: to get worse? Obviously with this sort of extremism at play,
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Speaker 2: Unless there are crackdowns on it from authorities.
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Speaker 1: It's always going to get worse. That's absolutely right.
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Speaker 8: And I know, you know many people have been calling
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Speaker 8: out four months for a rest to be made, for
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Speaker 8: charges to be laid, for the Lord to be enforced.
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Speaker 8: But please to take a tougher stance against protests, for
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Speaker 8: the Prime Minister to speak with a clear voice, for
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Speaker 8: his cabinet ministers not to go up there and munting
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Speaker 8: the waters and stirring things up. All of us have
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Speaker 8: been seeking for this to happen, but I think the government. Look,
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Speaker 8: I think Anthony Albernezi the most charitable interpretation was he
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Speaker 8: hoped it would all just go away and sim it down.
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Speaker 8: And of course, look, those of us who have any
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Speaker 8: experience of how things unfold in the Middle East, the
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Speaker 8: history of antisemitism worldwide, how hatred against Jews, it often
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Speaker 8: lies only quite shallowly beneath the surface of many societies.
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Speaker 8: I think all of us were alarmed when we saw
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Speaker 8: two days after the seventh of October, when Israel was
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Speaker 8: still trying to recover its own hostages and vic terrors
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Speaker 8: from its towns, the protests on the Opera house steps.
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Speaker 8: That just showed a level of hatred that I think
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Speaker 8: many Australians found hard to comprehend. That should have been
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Speaker 8: the sign then that if we didn't act quickly, this
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Speaker 8: problem will get out of hand. But instead the government's
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Speaker 8: been asleep at the wheel now for over a year.
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Speaker 2: Exactly we needed to see action in those first couple
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Speaker 2: of days we're calling for it, we've seen nothing, and
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Speaker 2: here we finally see some sort of belated action fourteen
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Speaker 2: months later, Dave, I want to leave that issue to
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Speaker 2: the side for a moment and tap into your Middle
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Speaker 2: East expertise now. Because of the fall of the Assaid
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Speaker 2: regime unexpectedly quickly in Syria.
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Speaker 1: Here's an update from Sky News UK. It's all over.
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Speaker 9: Fifty four years of brutal Assad dynasty rule has come
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Speaker 9: to an end. The streets of Damascus have erupted in celebration.
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Speaker 1: Present.
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Speaker 9: Assad has fled the country and the capital has fallen.
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Speaker 9: This is the presidential palace. People are now inside taking
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Speaker 9: the treasures of a corrupt regime. Every building in town square,
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Speaker 9: the rebels take symbols and images of the regime are
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Speaker 9: being torn down as Syria faces a new and unknown reality.
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Speaker 2: Dave Shamra's good riddance to an evil and bloodthirsty leader
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Speaker 2: in Besha al Sad. But has he just been replaced
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Speaker 2: by Islamist extremists. Is this regime going to be a
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Speaker 2: bloodthirsty and shambali one.
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Speaker 1: We don't know.
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Speaker 8: It's the honest truth. I hope, I hope certainly not.
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Speaker 8: I mean, look, no one should mourn the passing or
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Speaker 8: the deposition if you like a Bashara said he was
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Speaker 8: a brutal, bloodthirsty, murderous tyrant who use chemical weapons against
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Speaker 8: his own people. But the group that has taken over
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Speaker 8: heyat Terre al Sham is an Islamist group. There's no
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Speaker 8: walking away from that. They have their roots with al Qaeda.
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Speaker 8: There are a listed terrorist organization. We have seen them
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Speaker 8: put out statements as they've advanced and taken the capital,
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Speaker 8: which sound somewhat reassuring that they want to protect the
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Speaker 8: religious and ethnic minorities of Syria, that they are going
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Speaker 8: to seek to govern for all. They've instructed their forces
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Speaker 8: to behave with discipline, so they're not acting like the
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Speaker 8: Taliban did, for instance, when Kabo fell. But it's very
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Speaker 8: early days yet, and I think we need to watch
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Speaker 8: this very carefully. I certainly hope the future is a
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Speaker 8: better one than under a side.
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Speaker 1: Just very quickly. It's also a sign though that Iran
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Speaker 1: is on the back foot absolutely.
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Speaker 8: I mean, look, Iran basically pulled its forces out of
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Speaker 8: Syriah on Friday or Saturday. HESBLA did the same, The
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Speaker 8: Russians did the same. That's why the regime collapse so quickly.
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Speaker 8: And I think for Iran it's a huge loss. This
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Speaker 8: is a client state of Theirs. It's gone.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Dave, I appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: Dave Shama, their Liberal Senator for New South Wales and
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Speaker 2: of course former Australian Ambassador to Israel. I want to
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Speaker 2: get a personal perspective and what we've seen in this
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Speaker 2: country in the last three or four days, in the
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Speaker 2: last four day months in fact, from Susie speak, he's
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Speaker 2: a Holocaust survivor and an author who's joined us before
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Speaker 2: to discuss Andi Semitism in Australia.
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Speaker 1: Here's what Susie told us back in May.
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Speaker 10: Jewish people in this country are frightened, which has never
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Speaker 10: happened before. This has always been a wonderful free country
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Speaker 10: that I love desperately, but I am finding it very
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Speaker 10: are very frightening.
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Speaker 2: SUSI now joins me again. Good to speak to you.
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Speaker 2: Against Susie, you were very dismayed and very perturbed and
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Speaker 2: felt very vulnerable back in May. Tell me about what's
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Speaker 2: transpired since and how you feel in the wake of
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Speaker 2: that synagogue fire in Melbourne and the action announced today
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Speaker 2: by the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 11: Well, Chris, first of all, thank you for your wonderful
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Speaker 11: support for the Jewish community. We really appreciate it.
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Speaker 12: And I've got to say I am absolutely horrified and
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Speaker 12: devastated that was what has happened since since we spoke
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Speaker 12: in May, things have only got so much worse in
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Speaker 12: this country. I mean that bombing of the synagogue on
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Speaker 12: Friday was like Krystal Nach was just horrifying. But things,
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Speaker 12: you know, we've had over two thousand anti Semitic things
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Speaker 12: happening here in this country this last year. And I
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Speaker 12: cheated all that to the Albanesi government. They have done
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Speaker 12: absolutely nothing to rein back the antisemitism.
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Speaker 11: I was just reading and I'll just show you this.
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Speaker 12: This is the Crimes Act of nineteen It's Crimes at
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Speaker 12: nineteen hundred, Section ninety three Zai and it says offensive
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Speaker 12: publicly threatened or inciting violence on grounds of race, religion,
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Speaker 12: sexual orientation, etc.
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Speaker 11: And this can be.
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Speaker 12: Prosecuted and down the bottom by a police officer. Now
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Speaker 12: this could have been done on the ninth of October,
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Speaker 12: before any of this started here in this country. This
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Speaker 12: Albanesi government should hang their head in shame.
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Speaker 2: Well, this is but I'm sorry to interrupt Susie, but
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Speaker 2: this has been my point all along. Those laws are
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Speaker 2: there and celebrating the death of innisent Jews and talking
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Speaker 2: out where's the Jews?
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Speaker 1: This is this could be.
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Speaker 2: Construed as inciting violence, and yet laws were never tested.
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Speaker 2: And I think we needed political leaders to get up
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Speaker 2: there and publicly call this out and demand that police
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Speaker 2: pursue this to the extent of the law that they
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Speaker 2: possibly could.
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Speaker 1: Instead, they've all held back.
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Speaker 2: The police have held back because the politicians haven't given
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Speaker 2: the lead. Now, you survived the Holocaust as a baby,
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Speaker 2: as an infant with your family, You've.
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Speaker 1: Had a blessed life here in Australia.
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Speaker 2: The contrast of how you must have been feeling two
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Speaker 2: years ago to now, can you explain that because this
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Speaker 2: must have been seemed like a blessed sanctity from all
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Speaker 2: of the horrors that we've seen in Europe.
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Speaker 12: Well ever since I've lived in this wonderful country. As
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Speaker 12: I've said before, I have never never experienced any anti Semitism.
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Speaker 12: But since the seventh of October, when this government led
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Speaker 12: these what I call these useful idiots that support him,
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Speaker 12: US has the law and all the things that have
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Speaker 12: been happening in the Middle East, and they call it
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Speaker 12: and they come out and demonstrate against Jews, they come
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Speaker 12: and sign, put signs on, you know, Nazi signs everywhere.
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Speaker 11: The Jews are frightened to go out, children are frightened
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Speaker 11: to go to school. I mean, I just saw recently
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Speaker 11: that school children in Melbourne.
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Speaker 12: Were harassed on a train. It's just been back like
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Speaker 12: Nazi Germany. And you know, as I always say when
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Speaker 12: I speak at schools in my Courage to Care program,
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Speaker 12: I always finished with saying, the Holocaust did not start
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Speaker 12: with gas, ovens and murder.
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Speaker 11: It started with.
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Speaker 12: Slogans and demonstrations and words. And this is what has
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Speaker 12: been happening in this country. And as I said before,
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Speaker 12: Albanisi and Penny.
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Speaker 11: Wong, and they've signed.
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Speaker 12: With all these UN declarations against Israel, to the point
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Speaker 12: that Hermas had come out and praised them.
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Speaker 11: I mean, what does that say about the leaders?
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Speaker 2: That is that is a chilling reminder of Susie Smeede
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Speaker 2: about where all this begins, where it all begins and ends.
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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us, so I appreciate it greatly.
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Speaker 2: Susie smed there, who's a Holocaust survivor imagine surviving the
22:27
Speaker 2: Holocaust as a child, having this blessed life in the
22:30
Speaker 2: Sanctuary of Australia and then seeing this unfold over the
22:34
Speaker 2: past fourteen months just horrible.
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Speaker 1: Now coming up after.
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Speaker 2: The break, I'm going to catch up with Amanda Mackenzie.
22:39
Speaker 2: She's the CEO of the Climate Council.
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Speaker 1: She'll join me live. I'll showed you.
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Speaker 2: Last week how the Climate Council was accusing us of
22:51
Speaker 2: misinformation over the threatened blackouts the week before, you know,
22:55
Speaker 2: when they called a couple of hot days a heat
22:57
Speaker 2: wave and we were warned not to use our electrical
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Speaker 2: applients unless the grid not have enough power to cope
23:03
Speaker 2: on the Climate Council reckons the heat waves are getting
23:06
Speaker 2: worse and that the problem with power supplies wasn't the
23:09
Speaker 2: unreliability of wind energy, but the low levels of coal
23:13
Speaker 2: fired power. Anyway, they didn't seem to like what I
23:15
Speaker 2: had to say in response, and they said out another
23:18
Speaker 2: email to their followers telling their people that I'd launched
23:21
Speaker 2: a scathing attack. That was quite the rant at.
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Speaker 1: Accusing me of disinformation. Dear Idea.
23:28
Speaker 2: I thought it might be worth asking them on the
23:30
Speaker 2: Pro program, so we see what they've got to say.
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Speaker 2: And I'm happy to say we've been joined by the
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Speaker 2: CEO of the Climate Council, Amanda Mackenzie, joining us live
23:37
Speaker 2: from Melbourne. Thanks for joining us, Amanda, thanks for having me.
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Speaker 13: Chris First, up.
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Speaker 2: With that last week of spring, we heard all this
23:48
Speaker 2: hysteria about a heat wave that warning people to drink
23:52
Speaker 2: water and stay in the shade and would run out
23:54
Speaker 2: of power. And it was like two hot days and
23:57
Speaker 2: not particularly hot. Why do we talk well of hot
24:00
Speaker 2: days up as a heat wave these days.
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Speaker 13: Well, we did have the hottest spring on record, but
24:06
Speaker 13: of course Australia has hotter conditions in summer usually. But
24:10
Speaker 13: the issue for that period was the threat of blackouts
24:13
Speaker 13: in New South Wales. So four of the twelve coal
24:17
Speaker 13: units across New South Wales were out for maintenance and
24:20
Speaker 13: increasingly because our coal fire generators are simply getting old.
24:24
Speaker 13: They're increasingly out for maintenance and they're at risk when
24:27
Speaker 13: there is hotter conditions. So this has been something that
24:30
Speaker 13: we've been seeing for some time. The Australian Energy Market
24:33
Speaker 13: Operator has been warning about it and our message is
24:36
Speaker 13: that we need more renewable energy in the system so
24:39
Speaker 13: that we have more resilience under heat conditions.
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Speaker 2: But the point is the reason we don't have more
24:45
Speaker 2: coal fired power is because the policies that you support
24:48
Speaker 2: deliberately drive them out of action, and they're continuing to
24:51
Speaker 2: drive them out of action. And thank god we had
24:54
Speaker 2: them because otherwise we would have had blackouts. They supplied
24:57
Speaker 2: over sixty percent of the energy in the National Electricity
25:00
Speaker 2: market on those days. The problem is that wind doesn't
25:03
Speaker 2: blow all the time, and when we needed it on
25:05
Speaker 2: those days, the wind was only.
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Speaker 1: Supplying about seven percent of the power.
25:09
Speaker 2: This is the problem that you need to confront, don't
25:12
Speaker 2: you that renewables are unreliable.
25:15
Speaker 1: How do we guarantee power when we need it?
25:20
Speaker 13: Well, the thing is that renewable energy can be backed
25:22
Speaker 13: up with big batteries, with pumped hydro. These solutions are
25:27
Speaker 13: very much here now. The cost of batteries for instance,
25:29
Speaker 13: drop twenty percent this year. It's one of those bright
25:32
Speaker 13: spots in an inflationary environment. But our coal fire generators,
25:36
Speaker 13: regardless of climate, we would need to be replacing those systems,
25:41
Speaker 13: And of course there was a decade of lost action
25:44
Speaker 13: on our energy system, so we are playing catch up.
25:47
Speaker 13: But all of our coal fire generators will be offline
25:50
Speaker 13: by twenty thirty eight. And it is simply much lower
25:53
Speaker 13: cost to be going with renewables rather than cold.
25:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, but wind and solar can't do the job. You know,
25:59
Speaker 2: batteries are farts expensive. You couldn't spend enough money to
26:03
Speaker 2: power the whole country for a day on batteries. Let
26:06
Speaker 2: loan for two or three days. You couldn't do it.
26:08
Speaker 2: Just power the country for an hour pumped hydrate. We're
26:13
Speaker 2: looking at twenty billion dollars for snowy two point zero.
26:16
Speaker 2: It's already over due, not happening, So we need energy
26:20
Speaker 2: in this country. Now.
26:21
Speaker 1: You're committed to reducing emissions, of.
26:23
Speaker 2: Course, surely you should throw your weight behind nuclear energy
26:27
Speaker 2: because we know it works.
26:29
Speaker 1: It's working all around the world.
26:32
Speaker 13: Well, the challenge for nuclear in our context, of course,
26:35
Speaker 13: is that the CSIRO has come out today saying we
26:38
Speaker 13: wouldn't be able to get a lot of nuclear power
26:41
Speaker 13: till the twenty forties, and of course all o our
26:43
Speaker 13: col fire generators would be closed by that time. We
26:45
Speaker 13: need a solution for the twenty thirties, not the twenty forties.
26:49
Speaker 2: Well, first, as power out more primarily we need power,
26:53
Speaker 2: absolutely need power, and nuclear can deliver it and renewables can't.
26:58
Speaker 13: But nuclear can't deliver it to the twenty forties, which
27:01
Speaker 13: is way too late. So regardless of what you think
27:04
Speaker 13: about nuclear, it doesn't solve the contemporary problem.
27:06
Speaker 2: Well, what I think the evidence shows that we could
27:09
Speaker 2: get nuclear power on stream in ten to twelve years.
27:13
Speaker 1: But even if even if it was, that's twenty cirosis.
27:17
Speaker 2: Yes, but the CROs is a lot of things, and
27:19
Speaker 2: they're actually changing their numbers on nuclear every time they
27:22
Speaker 2: get criticized.
27:23
Speaker 1: But let's say it's twenty forty. Why is that too late?
27:27
Speaker 2: Why on Earth's Earth would it be too late for
27:29
Speaker 2: Australia to go nuclear in twenty forty Because it's not
27:33
Speaker 2: going to change the climate no matter what we do
27:36
Speaker 2: between now and twenty forty.
27:39
Speaker 13: Well, the issue is that it doesn't solve the issue
27:41
Speaker 13: with all of that col fire generation. You said it
27:44
Speaker 13: was sixty percent of the system going out by twenty
27:47
Speaker 13: thirty eight. All of those col fire generators are very old.
27:50
Speaker 13: They're clapped out. As I said a couple of weeks ago,
27:52
Speaker 13: we had four of the twelve generators in New South
27:55
Speaker 13: Wales out for maintenance at one time.
27:57
Speaker 1: Yes, but we got it by because that is.
27:59
Speaker 13: Solar is wind. But do the job and wind and
28:03
Speaker 13: batteries were actually crucial doing during the blackout, during the
28:06
Speaker 13: blackout warnings. We need more of that, but we need
28:09
Speaker 13: more batteries to soak up all of that sunshine where
28:11
Speaker 13: the sunniest country in the world were one of the windiest.
28:14
Speaker 13: We have huge capacity with our lithium reserves to be
28:17
Speaker 13: bringing on more batteries. It's a transition, so for you
28:20
Speaker 13: to bring on more over time.
28:22
Speaker 2: If renewables plus storage can work, why is it not
28:26
Speaker 2: working anywhere in the world. Why in fact, there's no
28:29
Speaker 2: comparable country even trying to do this.
28:34
Speaker 1: Well.
28:34
Speaker 13: Countries around the world are in the process of doing it.
28:36
Speaker 13: Of course, it is a transition.
28:38
Speaker 1: Name the country, Name a comparable country.
28:41
Speaker 2: Name a comparable country to Australia that's going down a
28:44
Speaker 2: renewables plus storage model.
28:47
Speaker 13: Well, let's look at the United States.
28:48
Speaker 2: California, they have nuclear, they have gas and coal.
28:54
Speaker 13: Well they do, they do have those California. The scale
28:57
Speaker 13: of renewables that are coming on in those systems as
29:00
Speaker 13: well as across the United States. But there's also a
29:03
Speaker 13: different nuclear The US is saying this, Chris, the US
29:07
Speaker 13: has signed up to Nuclear Production Operator.
29:10
Speaker 1: Yes, I know, I know everything that said. This is
29:12
Speaker 1: my point.
29:12
Speaker 2: You can't come up with a country are trying to
29:15
Speaker 2: do what Australia is doing.
29:18
Speaker 13: There are the countries around the world. One hundred and
29:21
Speaker 13: ninety four countries have signed up to Paris and said
29:23
Speaker 13: they're getting out of cobble fuels, and they're doing that
29:25
Speaker 13: in a whole variety of ways. In some countries nuclear
29:27
Speaker 13: is absolutely appropriate and they already have nuclear industries. But
29:31
Speaker 13: we cannot solve our current problems with nuclear because that
29:33
Speaker 13: doesn't come online to the twenty forties. What are we
29:36
Speaker 13: going to do in the interim between now and twenty
29:39
Speaker 13: forty when we can't have nuclear in that period anyway?
29:42
Speaker 13: So we need to be bringing on more energy. We
29:44
Speaker 13: are type the time extremely expensive.
29:46
Speaker 1: I'm really pleased you can't on, Amanda, what's to having
29:49
Speaker 1: me on. I'd love to have you back on.
29:50
Speaker 2: Let's catch up every couple of weeks because there's lots
29:52
Speaker 2: to talk about and we didn't have time to get
29:54
Speaker 2: through enough of it.
29:55
Speaker 1: That's Amanda McKenzie there from the Climate Council.
29:58
Speaker 2: There is no other country to do what we're trying
30:01
Speaker 2: to do.
30:02
Speaker 1: That's the problem.
30:03
Speaker 2: That's the evidence that shows what we're trying to do
30:05
Speaker 2: just might be impossible. Now after the break, I'm going
30:08
Speaker 2: to catch up with former.
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Speaker 1: Treasure of Josh Fridenburg.
30:10
Speaker 2: Talked to him about what's happening in this country in
30:13
Speaker 2: the wake of this anti Semitic attack. Let's get back
30:21
Speaker 2: to the fallout from Friday's arson attack on the synagogue
30:24
Speaker 2: in Melbourne. Understandably it's triggered enormous outrage in the community,
30:28
Speaker 2: but it hasn't come out of nowhere.
30:30
Speaker 1: This attack.
30:30
Speaker 2: We've seen rising anti semitism in this country since October
30:33
Speaker 2: the eighth last year at the Opera House, and of
30:36
Speaker 2: course cars have been vandalized on our streets and we've
30:39
Speaker 2: had intimidating protests and I showed you how they've been
30:42
Speaker 2: repeated calls for the PM and state leaders to do
30:46
Speaker 2: more to tackle this I asked former Treasurer Josh Fridenberg
30:49
Speaker 2: about how frustrating all this has been.
30:52
Speaker 7: Enormously Chris, There's been a real failure of leadership at
30:56
Speaker 7: both a federal and state level ever since October. Then,
31:01
Speaker 7: of course this government has abandoned Israel in their hour
31:04
Speaker 7: of need. But what we're talking about today is not Israel.
31:07
Speaker 7: What we're talking about today is what is happening here
31:11
Speaker 7: at home, and we have seen a rise in violent
31:14
Speaker 7: incidents attacking the Jewish community, which is obviously culminated in
31:20
Speaker 7: the firebombing of the Dash Synagogue where people were actually
31:24
Speaker 7: in the building. Just the A few days prior, we
31:28
Speaker 7: saw hundreds of people locked down in the Great Synagogue
31:32
Speaker 7: in Sydney as pro Palestinian protesters made it unsafe for
31:37
Speaker 7: people to leave. Days before that, we saw the firebombing
31:41
Speaker 7: of cars in Willara in Sydney and anti Semitic messages
31:47
Speaker 7: of hate. We know that Jewish students have felt unsafe
31:50
Speaker 7: on campus for a long time and authorities have failed
31:54
Speaker 7: to do anything to stop it. We know that Jewish
31:57
Speaker 7: artists have been doxed, canceled and faced death threats. And
32:01
Speaker 7: we know that Jewish businesses have been targeted, boycotted and attacked,
32:05
Speaker 7: putting aside what even happened outside the steps of the
32:08
Speaker 7: Sydney Opera House and in Corfield where there were riots
32:12
Speaker 7: in both places directed at the Jewish community. So clearly
32:17
Speaker 7: not enough has been done by our Prime Minister, by
32:20
Speaker 7: our premiers to lean in, to step up, not step
32:24
Speaker 7: back from the challenges that we have faced.
32:27
Speaker 1: But we have hate speech laws in this country.
32:30
Speaker 2: We also have laws against parading the symbols of terrorist
32:34
Speaker 2: organizations and openly supporting them. Yet we've had people chanting
32:38
Speaker 2: death to Jews or where's the Jews. We've had people
32:41
Speaker 2: celebrating the slaughter on October the seventh last year. We've
32:45
Speaker 2: had people chanting that Zionists are terrorists. We've had people
32:48
Speaker 2: chanting from the river to the sea. Why haven't the
32:51
Speaker 2: laws at least been enforced more stridently by police forces.
32:57
Speaker 7: Well, that's a question that the Prime Minister need to answer.
33:01
Speaker 7: That's the question that our law authorities need to answer.
33:04
Speaker 7: That's why I've said there needs to be a National
33:07
Speaker 7: Police Task Force urgently set up that brings brings into
33:13
Speaker 7: the tenth state police authorities, federal police authorities, intelligence and
33:17
Speaker 7: other security agencies not to deal with Islamophobia, not to
33:22
Speaker 7: deal with the other isms and the other forms of hate,
33:25
Speaker 7: but to deal with the principal source of hate that
33:28
Speaker 7: we are seeing right now in our country, which is
33:31
Speaker 7: anti Semitism. I mean, just in the last day or two,
33:35
Speaker 7: we've seen people, as you say, chant globalize the into
33:39
Speaker 7: farta that the inter Fata was a series of bus bombings,
33:42
Speaker 7: suicide bombings in pizza restaurants, and people are calling for
33:46
Speaker 7: that are they here in Australia. We've seen people hold
33:50
Speaker 7: up signs saying Zionists are terrorists. Well, we know John
33:53
Speaker 7: Howard and Peter Dutton and Nova Peris and Julia Gillard
33:57
Speaker 7: and Peter Cosgrove and Dennis Richardson and Lindsay Fox and
34:01
Speaker 7: so many other non Jewish leaders in our country call
34:04
Speaker 7: themselves Zionists and hear people are effectively calling them terrorists.
34:09
Speaker 7: So why isn't the law being upheld in this regard
34:14
Speaker 7: And these people who are demonstrating outside places of worship,
34:18
Speaker 7: outside people's homes in the suburbs, covering up their faces,
34:23
Speaker 7: concealing their identity, you know, deliberately designed to intimidate and
34:28
Speaker 7: to create fear. Why aren't the police clamping down on that.
34:32
Speaker 7: I think there's a lot more with respect to the
34:35
Speaker 7: law enforcement agencies that can be done to ensure that
34:38
Speaker 7: we're all much safer in this country we love called Australia.
34:43
Speaker 2: Well, it's so worrying, it's so disturbing, it's so frustrating
34:46
Speaker 2: because this has been clear for fourteen months. Now you're
34:50
Speaker 2: out of politics, Now you're living a private life. You
34:52
Speaker 2: have a wife and young children. Tell me about this
34:55
Speaker 2: rising tide of anti Semitism and how it's affected you
34:59
Speaker 2: living your life with your family in Melbourne.
35:04
Speaker 5: Well, as you know, Chris, I have.
35:09
Speaker 7: I have not taken up the offer that has come
35:13
Speaker 7: many a time since the twenty twenty two election to
35:17
Speaker 7: enter into the public debate on issues economic, on issues political.
35:22
Speaker 5: But I have entered the public debate.
35:25
Speaker 7: To defend and support the Jewish community, but most importantly
35:29
Speaker 7: of all, to uphold Australian values. Because the attack on
35:33
Speaker 7: the Adas Synagogue was not an attack just on the
35:36
Speaker 7: Jewish community, it was an attack on the Australian community.
35:40
Speaker 7: We've seen social cohesion undermined, we've seen anti Semitism normalized,
35:46
Speaker 7: and it's only a question of time before another minority
35:50
Speaker 7: group is next, and you know, people need to stand up,
35:55
Speaker 7: speak out because we know bad things happen when good
36:00
Speaker 7: people stay silent. So that's why I'm using my voice, Chris,
36:04
Speaker 7: That's why I'm using my profile in Australia to actually
36:08
Speaker 7: shine a spotlight on the failure of leadership that has
36:12
Speaker 7: affected us all.
36:14
Speaker 2: This is very personal though when it comes to the
36:16
Speaker 2: Jewish community, and I agree with you, one of the
36:19
Speaker 2: reasons we have to stand up against this is because
36:22
Speaker 2: we're worried about all Australians. This is an attack on
36:25
Speaker 2: the way of life in this country, not just an
36:27
Speaker 2: attack on the Jewish community, but parents are sending their
36:30
Speaker 2: kids to Jewish schools knowing that being targeted in this
36:34
Speaker 2: way by public incidents, by graffiti described to us the
36:40
Speaker 2: way that Jewish people in this country have had to
36:43
Speaker 2: actually change the way they go about their daily lives.
36:48
Speaker 5: Well.
36:48
Speaker 7: School principles at Jewish schools are saying to their students,
36:52
Speaker 7: don't wear your school uniform outside the school grounds. I mean,
36:56
Speaker 7: how is that occurring here in Australia. People are people
37:01
Speaker 7: going to their places of worship because there are protesters outside.
37:06
Speaker 7: You've had graffiti daubed JW dye outside one of the
37:11
Speaker 7: most prominent and largest Jewish schools here in Melbourne. The
37:15
Speaker 7: list goes on and on and on. Deborah Conway, you know,
37:20
Speaker 7: one of our great singer songwriters, has faced their threats.
37:25
Speaker 7: She has been canceled, she has been docksed simply because
37:30
Speaker 7: she is Jewish. Some of the largest businesses in our
37:34
Speaker 7: country which are owned by Jewish Australians have faced boycotts
37:39
Speaker 7: and attacks simply because the owners are a Jewish. This
37:43
Speaker 7: is not acceptable and I don't know why the Prime
37:46
Speaker 7: Minister has refrained from getting on the front foot in
37:51
Speaker 7: this debate. It affects us all Jewish and non Jewish.
37:55
Speaker 7: And when you see someone like Nova Peris, you know,
37:59
Speaker 7: an Olympian, an indigenous champion, stand up and say she
38:04
Speaker 7: apologizes to the Jewish community for what they have gone
38:07
Speaker 7: through and she uses her voice to call for change.
38:12
Speaker 7: You know how widespread the sense of disenchantment with this
38:17
Speaker 7: government's leadership is.
38:19
Speaker 1: Yeah.
38:19
Speaker 2: The Federal Employment Minister Murray Watt has said that you're
38:23
Speaker 2: involved in this, what you're saying and this is politically motivated.
38:29
Speaker 5: Well that's just a very.
38:33
Speaker 7: Low blow and it was good to see Mike Kelly
38:37
Speaker 7: call him out and call on him to apologize to me.
38:42
Speaker 7: I'll accept the apology today if he makes it, but
38:46
Speaker 7: if he fails to make it, he'll be continually condemned
38:51
Speaker 7: for those inappropriate and false comments. My family has perished
38:58
Speaker 7: in the Holocaust and other members, including my mother, have
39:03
Speaker 7: survived it. I cared deeply Chris about what is happening
39:08
Speaker 7: in Australia right now, and I asked myself, if not me,
39:14
Speaker 7: who will speak out? And if not now, when do
39:18
Speaker 7: we speak out? So this is the time that we
39:22
Speaker 7: all need to use our voice because it's no option
39:27
Speaker 7: to be a bystander when such bad things are happening.
39:30
Speaker 7: That's the message from Holocaust survivors. When I did the
39:33
Speaker 7: Sky documentary, they say to the Prime Minister, lead. A
39:38
Speaker 7: leader is somebody who takes risks. We saw that with
39:41
Speaker 7: John Howard when he tried when he's successfully tried and
39:45
Speaker 7: implemented gun control, he took on some of the critics.
39:50
Speaker 7: He took on people who didn't want to see it happen.
39:53
Speaker 7: But that was leadership and it affected real change. Anthony
39:58
Speaker 7: Alberizi has to take on some of the extremists in
40:03
Speaker 7: his party, some of the extremists in society and he
40:06
Speaker 7: has to use his position as the first among equals
40:10
Speaker 7: in the Parliament to affect real and lasting change. I'm
40:15
Speaker 7: not holding my breath because his record today has been
40:18
Speaker 7: so poor.
40:20
Speaker 2: No pressure has been on him for fourteen months and
40:23
Speaker 2: he's done essentially nothing.
40:25
Speaker 1: Tragic stuff for this country. Thanks so much for joining u,
40:28
Speaker 1: Josh Frodenberg.
40:31
Speaker 5: My pleasure, Josh Frodenberg.
40:34
Speaker 2: There now a very very strong voice of the Australian
40:37
Speaker 2: Jewish community making a hell of a lot of sense.
40:40
Speaker 2: Let's go to the UK now and catch up with
40:41
Speaker 2: Sophie Ellsworth of course Now News Corps UK correspondent. Thanks
40:45
Speaker 2: joining us, Sophie, and good to hear you've reported on
40:49
Speaker 2: this that there's been a protest in London against Andy Semitism.
40:54
Speaker 1: Talk us through it, that's.
40:57
Speaker 11: Right, Chris.
40:58
Speaker 14: I attended this march yesterday through the streets of central London.
41:02
Speaker 14: There were thirty two thousand people who turned out at
41:06
Speaker 14: this event, marching against antisemitism, which many people at this
41:11
Speaker 14: event said, the anti Semitism is very very serious here
41:16
Speaker 14: in the UK as it is at home in Australia
41:19
Speaker 14: and around the world. So they were marching together in
41:23
Speaker 14: solidarity against this and really looking for support from the community.
41:28
Speaker 14: But the leaders speaking at this event, Chris, like in Australia,
41:33
Speaker 14: are very critical of the UK government and said they
41:36
Speaker 14: have not done enough to stamp out hate towards Jewish people.
41:41
Speaker 2: And I think we've got some comments here when you
41:43
Speaker 2: spoke to people about what had unfolded in Australia.
41:46
Speaker 1: Let's have a look.
41:47
Speaker 15: I saw the news yesterday and I saw the synagogues
41:51
Speaker 15: with the olcote and.
41:52
Speaker 1: It actually makes me crying to see it holiday everywhere
41:55
Speaker 1: around the world and you are not standing up for Palestine.
41:59
Speaker 1: All you are doing is putting on the display your
42:01
Speaker 1: rule and hatred of the Jewish people. Great to see that.
42:05
Speaker 1: Has it had much of an impact, Sophy.
42:07
Speaker 2: I'd like to see something similar happen in Australia as
42:10
Speaker 2: did it get the media attention and make the points
42:13
Speaker 2: publicly that we might.
42:14
Speaker 1: Have hoped.
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Speaker 14: Well, Chris, it wasn't as big as last year's march.
42:19
Speaker 14: They had about one hundred thousand people attend this year
42:22
Speaker 14: they had thirty two thousand. Yes, there was media coverage,
42:25
Speaker 14: but I will say this, Chris, many people who I
42:29
Speaker 14: did speak to were very positive about Sky News Australia's
42:33
Speaker 14: coverage and said their coverage on the issues with anti
42:38
Speaker 14: Semitism has been excellent. Many people do watch the channel
42:42
Speaker 14: over here in the UK, so that was good to
42:44
Speaker 14: hear that. But yes, this is a serious problem, Chris,
42:48
Speaker 14: and something that has far from over being dealt with here.
42:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, it be a bit of a contrast with Sky
42:54
Speaker 2: News UK, No doubt they're have a look at this.
42:57
Speaker 2: I think we have some pictures here of Donald Trump,
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Speaker 2: just on something light to Donald Trump, who of course
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Speaker 2: is the president elected in the US, has met up
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Speaker 2: with Prince William and it occurs to me what we're
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Speaker 2: seeing here, Sophie is the next president of the US
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Speaker 2: meeting the next King of Australia.
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Speaker 11: Well, this was an important meeting, Chris.
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Speaker 14: And what was also interesting was that Donald Trump met
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Speaker 14: with Prince William and not the Prime Minister here, Keir Starmer.
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Speaker 14: So that's raised eyebrowsers. Why was not Keir Starmer there?
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Speaker 14: Now we know there's not the greatest relationship, you know,
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Speaker 14: reports have been that there's a bit of hostility there
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Speaker 14: between the two. Interesting, but this is a very positive
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Speaker 14: move by Prince William. He has not met with Donald
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Speaker 14: Trump since twenty nineteen when he had a state visit.
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Speaker 11: Here to the UK.
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Speaker 14: So this is an important signal that they will plan
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Speaker 14: to work together once Donald Trump takes office. But there
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Speaker 14: are people here critical of Kirs Starmon.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, thanks for joining us, Sophie, great stuff, Sophie.
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Speaker 2: Ir'sworth it all over for us in London. Donald Trump's
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Speaker 2: out and look like he's president again already. Right, there
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Speaker 2: is a bloke in the White House as we speak,
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Speaker 2: but don't worry about him too much.
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Speaker 1: After the break, Gematon Juenni and Caroline Durusso.
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Speaker 2: Let's catch up with Gematon Jueni from the GT Communications
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Speaker 2: joins us live from Melbourne, and Caroline Russo, host of
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Speaker 2: the Royal Report, joining us from Perth. Great to have you, guys.
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Speaker 2: Don't have enough time for you, so let me be
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Speaker 2: quick and handed over to you. Firstly, Caroline, the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister on Andy Semitism, his reaction and your thoughts about
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Speaker 2: how he's been criticized for hanging around and playing tennis
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Speaker 2: in Perth on Saturday afternoon instead of getting over to
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Speaker 2: Melbourne where the problem was.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, well he flew over on Friday.
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Speaker 16: We understand he had events Friday night. Patrick Gorman didn't
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Speaker 16: quite It wasn't quite one hundred percent up front today
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Speaker 16: when he mentioned about the opening of the rail line
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Speaker 16: that didn't actually happen till Sunday. So you know, he
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Speaker 16: apparently went to shul on a Saturday morning and then
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Speaker 16: played tennis in the afternoon. But really, you know, he's
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Speaker 16: criticized a former Prime minister for not holding a hose.
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Speaker 16: I would say that a detour to Melbourne before coming
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Speaker 16: to Perth probably would have been more appropriate.
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Speaker 1: But let's just add to the.
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Speaker 16: Dithering of the last fourteen months.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's typical tennis seems to play a strong feme
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Speaker 2: He spent more time at the Australian Open famously than
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Speaker 2: visiting Alice Springs when it was torn about spring torn
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Speaker 2: apart by by crime genra. I'm Kennergie your thoughts on
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Speaker 2: this and the Andy Semitism issue. You've written so powerfully
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Speaker 2: about this all year, and I know you're off to
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Speaker 2: Israel again soon. Tell us about what's going on and
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Speaker 2: how it's tearing at the fabric of this nation.
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Speaker 15: Well, I think you know, when my response to the
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Speaker 15: Prime Minister saying that we're going to invest a whole
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Speaker 15: bunch of money in you know, more security for Jewish people. Well,
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Speaker 15: how about you just apply the law. How about you
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Speaker 15: just apply the law as if it actually matters. How
46:04
Speaker 15: about you introduce consequences. How about you stop the vile intimidating.
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Speaker 15: And I so agree with what Josh Fredenberg just said.
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Speaker 15: People with their faces masked turning up. We saw in
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Speaker 15: Melbourne earlier in the peace people driving all the way
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Speaker 15: across suburban Melbourne just to intimidate worshipers at the Corfield
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Speaker 15: Shawl at the time. Why don't we just apply the law.
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Speaker 15: Why don't we just draw a line in the sand
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Speaker 15: and say this doesn't happen in the Australia that we
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Speaker 15: all know and we all love, and we want to
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Speaker 15: live in peace and harmony with our neighbors.
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Speaker 13: If the Prime.
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Speaker 15: Minister simply stepped up and led this country, we wouldn't
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Speaker 15: have been in this position. And in terms of his
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Speaker 15: weekend playing tennis, I mean what else would we expect?
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Speaker 15: And I want people to remember that it wasn't just
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Speaker 15: oh well he was in per He could have gone
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Speaker 15: to Melbourne. He could have said this is so important
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Speaker 15: in our national dialogue right now that sorry West Australian Government.
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Speaker 15: You can open your own train station in ellen Brook
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Speaker 15: and I won't play tennis in the afternoon. I'm going
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Speaker 15: to go to the side of what has now been
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Speaker 15: declared a domestic terror attack.
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Speaker 13: But he didn't. He chose tennis.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and anybody who heard that news first thing Friday
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Speaker 2: morning must have immediately known the import of this. I mean,
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Speaker 2: the rest of us in other corners of the country
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Speaker 2: knew exactly what this was and what it meant. And
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Speaker 2: yet a Prime minister still heads off over to Perth.
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Speaker 2: It is extraordinary, little wonder given this and so many
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Speaker 2: other issues, He's weakness on so many issues that he's
47:26
Speaker 2: not doing well in the polls. Let's have a look
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Speaker 2: at the latest News poll numbers. They show that on
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Speaker 2: primary vote Labor's still very low, but.
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Speaker 1: Not far off what they were at the election.
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Speaker 2: Coalition higher than they were at the election, but not
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Speaker 2: high enough to win government.
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Speaker 1: So it's fifty to fifty split.
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Speaker 2: But what's important is that when it comes to strength,
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Speaker 2: decisive and strong, Peter Dutton there's sixty percent against Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albanez He's forty four percent.
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Speaker 1: And this shows, of course that.
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Speaker 2: These could be leaders right the votes for the party
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Speaker 2: could come later. And on the Resolve poll we've got
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Speaker 2: Labor forty nine, Coalition fifty won the Caroline. It is
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Speaker 2: starting to look like the Poles are starting to shift
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Speaker 2: to the Coalition and Peter Dutton and little wonder given
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Speaker 2: how wishy washy Albow is on so many issues.
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Speaker 16: Absolutely, and we only have to look back to September
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Speaker 16: twenty twenty two when Albow was you know, unassailable and
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Speaker 16: at a high and it has just been this, you know,
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Speaker 16: this constant diminishing of their position in the Poles arrested
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Speaker 16: only by their backflip on the Stage three tax cuts.
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Speaker 16: It didn't turn it around, It just arrested what then
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Speaker 16: continue to be a further fall because let's be honest,
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Speaker 16: they haven't really done anything of substance, and particularly since
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Speaker 16: the loss of the referendum, you know, the High Court
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Speaker 16: decision in relation to those detainees, and it's just been
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Speaker 16: one thing after another all the way up.
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Speaker 13: To obviously buying himself some.
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Speaker 16: Waterfront property just seems.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jemmy, just minutes ago, your thoughts on this, because
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Speaker 2: it is a big ask and the tills are a
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Speaker 2: bit of a problem. That extra seats to win there.
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Speaker 2: But to me, this election is very much there for
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Speaker 2: the winning for the coalition because the labor governments so weak.
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Speaker 15: I'm not appolling person at all, as you know, Chris,
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Speaker 15: but I've been saying this for months now, and Caroline
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Speaker 15: can vouch for that. You know, if a government can
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Speaker 15: lose nineteen seats, a government can win, an incoming government
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Speaker 15: can win nineteen seats. And I will say this that
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Speaker 15: there is no weaponized hatred of the former Prime Minister
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Speaker 15: Scott Morrison for the teals to write on. I think
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Speaker 15: many seats are up for grabs, and I think this
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Speaker 15: government only has itself to blame, and I do not
49:38
Speaker 15: think the negative trend against them is reversible.
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Speaker 13: They are hapless.
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Speaker 15: I sat on that desk with you, Chris, remember, and said,
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Speaker 15: if mister Albernez leads for everyone, we will all prosper
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Speaker 15: and thrive. And I and I hope and pray that
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Speaker 15: he does.
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Speaker 1: It's not happening.
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Speaker 2: We are we are out of time, and he's nearly
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Speaker 2: out of time, and it's not happening.
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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us, Carolina and general. I
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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Out of time. See you tomorrow night, here's
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Speaker 1: Peter Quidl