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Getting Groovy For Science · Nick and Kristen in the Podcast

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Hello and welcome to Nick and Kristen in the podcast.
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I'm Nick. That's Kristen.
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This is the podcast that is still going on.
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We are former radio people that are now current podcast people.
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Chris is a therapist and I am looking for work.
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What are you Nick? Yeah, I lost struggling and.
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Confused and I'm a stay at home dad.
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That's what I am. And then, you know, that's a
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hard job. It is a hard job and and I get
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it now, although I feel like we want to switch places, but on on
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some level, like I would love to just be working all the time and
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you would probably like to not be.
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Working. I would love to not work.
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However, you probably don't want to be home all day either.
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Yeah, but I mean, I don't know, like I could find stuff to do at
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home. Like.
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I yeah, I was talking to my mom about this the other day.
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It's like I, I feel like everybody has a work battery,
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like a certain amount of work quota hours.
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I started working when I was 15 years old at a lifeguard.
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I worked at a, a wild rivers in life, a wild like a water park.
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And then I also worked at like a rec center.
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Like I feel like I've always had like two things going on always
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at once. And I hit my mid 40s and now all
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of a sudden I'm like, it's done. The battery's almost empty.
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I've reached the amount of hours I was willing to work.
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That's all you had in the chamber.
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That's all I had. It makes sense.
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Unfortunately, you're going to have to push past that gas.
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I got 20 more years. Keep it on going.
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Yeah. But on the other hand, we have a
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8th birthday to celebrate in about 6 months, so I thought I'd
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give you an idea for a cake. This showed up recently on the
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Internet and I was like, this is perfect for our daughter.
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Who? Yeah.
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Who's? Going to be 8.
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Soon and yeah the it's an 8th birthday cake which the
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intention was to fully be an 8. Yeah.
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However, I don't know how this is possibly the worst eight I've
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ever seen. It's definitely an 8.
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Well, it's not though, and I'm going to tell you why it's not
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an 8. So in the center the circles are
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supposed to be pushed together. Like I understand the double
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edge tundra like it's she took 2.
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Push them together, push them together, push them together.
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No, like she took two circles and she placed them on top of
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each other. That's what she thought would
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work. There like the when you make an
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8 like this, they're not perfect circles.
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Yes, some people draw their eights like that and that's
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fine. I I would have, I would have
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emphasized, would have emphasized the outline, yes.
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They let a darker outline. They let it fade and then the
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two color choices were horrible. I imagine if this was like blue
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and red, you wouldn't have noticed.
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You know what I mean? Like if they were blue eight, it
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was a blue eight with a red Topper.
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I don't know if you would have noticed.
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That's how you. Yeah.
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See. Like I don't draw my eights that
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way. What do you mean?
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I draw the circle, then the circle.
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So that's. How I draw my eights?
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That looks weird. Hold on, let me try.
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That, but if you had outlined these, yes, these beautiful
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rotund, plump circles, then I think that it would have been
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all. Right, you make an 8 like this.
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Yeah, that doesn't look like an 8 to you.
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Looks pretty hatish to me. I mean, which is really.
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An 8 here I mean. You make it look like this.
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I'm I don't know if I do perfect.
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Take them off the screen. No, I can't.
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They're drilled in my brain. Here.
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Let me draw. Give me a piece of paper.
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I don't have a piece of paper, this was my only.
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Waste in the paper? Yeah, I'm more.
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I mean, OK, this is kind of like it was done.
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Quickly, it's a quicker draw to do a circle circle and move on.
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I don't think anybody this. Is my like this is a better 8?
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That's still it's a good eight. I'm nothing wrong?
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Not too perfect circles. You're good.
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Weird, I've never look. It looks alien, like an alien
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code. Your 8 doesn't alienate my 8 all
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right? Like it doesn't make my 8 less
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of an. Eight.
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I just, I just sort of feel like if we were to ask a kindergarten
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teacher, hey, how are we making our eights?
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It's not 2 perfect circles on top of each other.
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As long as the 8 is the the communication is communicated.
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Basically if no one looks that great at my number, like if I'm
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drawing 877 this takes longer. No one's walking through and
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going wait a second is that is that 2 circles on top of each
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other? Yes, I.
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Know I and yes, if you look really quickly and I go what
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number is this you're going to say 8 obviously, right but.
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Like you break down the method if.
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You look at what is a correct looking 8, it's not too look at
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how weird that that. Doesn't look weird, it looks
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like an 8. When you push the the 8th floor
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on the elevator, are you pushing this sometimes or are you
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pushing? This it's all about your font
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preference. I prefer a font where the 8 is
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equal. I think we.
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Have to put them inside. And I think that like Impact
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font is a good eight, you know what I mean?
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Like you're 8's more Times New Roman, and that's fine.
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They're both eights. It's a It's a snowman without a
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top hat. You.
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Can't it's, it's an 8. I don't know what time I mean
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fine. I mean to each so.
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I'm not turn it sideways. They're both Infinity symbols,
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so it's like. I know, but like.
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I mean, yours is more of an yeah, it's an Infinity symbol,
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but not 8. It's an 8A.
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Comment below which ones more of an. 8 How do you draw your
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eights? Are you one stroke?
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8 or are you like you double circling like comment below,
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which is a weird comment. However, this 8 is the most
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beautiful eight I've ever seen. I would like this on my my
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birthday when you're I know I'm not turning, I'm not turning
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anywhere 8 at all, but I would like an. 8 and you turn 48, I'll
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be sure to take two round circles and push them together.
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Yeah, you're gonna hate how I draw fours and G's if you don't
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like the way you draw eights. So what's wrong with your fours?
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I draw fours like, I don't know, like there's two different
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fours. Now.
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If you're going to bring it up, draw a four.
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Let's see how you draw your fours.
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Well, do you connect the tops? No.
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OK. There's this kind of a four and
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there's this kind of a four. Yes, which 4 I'm the.
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I'm doing this 4. OK.
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That's the four I'm doing. OK, yeah.
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And then write your GS, your capital GS.
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Capital G. Capital G Oh boy.
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OK, that's not how I draw it. So my G's are AC and A7.
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OK, this is fascinating stuff, people.
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I know, I'm sure you're enthralled.
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That's my GC and A7. I don't know why I just can't.
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I don't like the curve. It always looks weird to me like
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if you couldn't keep it connected.
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Like my GS just come out weird. So this is more of AG.
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Do you do an AZ with a line through it?
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No, I never understood that. I don't know what the line
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means. Do you do AZ with a line I?
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Do AZ with a line through it. Why?
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Because so you show. It's not a 2.
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Because at one point my mother said she hated when people did
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that and I started doing it just to be rebellious because that
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was like my 1 actor rebellious. I'm.
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Going to be. Known as the Z line putter.
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Yeah, do you put lines in your sevens?
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It's. The same kind of thing.
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No, I don't, I don't think I do put lines in my sevens and the
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other day I was like why am I still doing the line through the
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Z it's. A little F you to mom every time
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he's like. No, I mean, mom, I know you
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listen to this podcast. It was just one of those things
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where I was like, this is where I'm going to get it back.
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This is where I'm going to exert my independence.
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Nothing rebellious, just like yeah, take that and.
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Every time she told you, every time she wrote you a note that
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she wanted pizza, it was a small rebellion on the note.
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I'll have some pizza. Yeah, it's now it's stuck with
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me and I was writing something with for Lily and I was like,
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why am I still doing this? Yeah, I'll that.
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I mean, it's a font style, you know?
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I guess, but I'm like, this is who I am now.
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That's the font you chose. Born out of rebellion.
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Through the Hells of fire, here comes Kristen.
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Ever tiny little rebellion and Kristen's.
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Right. Yeah, take it.
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He's going to drop them off in our house?
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No, Wednesday. We're gonna get the shirts this
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shrinks, it'll shrink down to a large.
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I am not an XL. You're not an XL, but I, I.
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It's fine. I don't know what the cut of the
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shirt is, so it's probably. A good call.
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It's a men's shirt, so it's like for the love of God.
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Then you should have ordered me a medium.
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He says. You can buy the shirt, but the
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Nice. And sad.
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I'm glad you thought. Of me, she couldn't do anything.
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She was like on her last leg. So they're like, why not
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experiment? So they gave her a insane dose
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of psilocybin. OK, I'm on board.
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Which is mushrooms or the magic? The thing in magic mushrooms
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that make them magic gave her a insane they say like.
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What do you mean an insane amount?
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Why would they do that? Well, because they're like,
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well, they call it a heroic dose.
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They gave her a heroic dose. 19 hours later she started talking.
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A month later she started walking.
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She's now walking and talking. And remember after 19 hours, she
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was recalling her life. She was reflecting back on all
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her memories. She was she's now basically the
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same person. She's like back to life after
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this. Yeah, it's it's wild.
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It's absolutely wild. Psilocybin is like it's
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unlocking so much stuff for people and it's kind of insane.
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It's the reason I got into the mental health like world.
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We we watched a documentary about how magic mushrooms were
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being used in therapy. And I remember being like, I
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want to do that. Yeah.
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And your. Goal was to be like in the
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research. My goal was to be part of the
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research team that because it's in Oregon.
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That's right, the research team's in Oregon.
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And I was like, Oh my God, I want to do that so bad.
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And then I got sidetracked and I was like, everything's
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relational. So I became a marriage and
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family therapist. And you found out the research
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is hard. Well, research is hard and it's,
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and I'm going to try to be really kind like I'm going to
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try to be PC when I say this, but the ebb and flow of that
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research really depends on the administration.
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And, and so like one minute you could have a really thriving
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research team and then the next minute everything's gone.
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And so it's like that's just sort of no way to live it for
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anybody. I, I think that if you're
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funding a research study, it should be through completion,
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whether whoever takes office or not or whatever.
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But but it is fascinating. It is amazing what it can do.
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And it's a shame that it kind of got Co opted in the 60s and 70s
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as like, because that's when we started researching it and
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really and really seeing that LSD and these kind of like high
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hallucinogenics can have such a therapeutic problem, like
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properties to it. And like Dennis Leary and stuff
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like got all like for everybody put it in the water.
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And it's like, no, no, no, that's not what we wanted.
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We wanted to like study it and research it.
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And then all of a sudden, like, you know, Nixon was like, we
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can't have this. It was like, and so like, it was
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a shame because it was, it was on the track to being just like
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an amazing tool. Yeah, that we don't have any
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more. And I think that it's a long, I
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mean, it's, it's along the lines of marijuana and stuff like that
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where I, I think in a couple years we'll be more open to the
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research part of. It I hope.
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So because if stories like this keep coming out like I thought
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it was, I was like 80, could only say 2 words at a time and
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is now having full blown conversations about her life.
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They say it. It reignites the memory part
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portions of your brain like. It connects the neural pathways,
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the reason you're. Seeing things, yeah, the way
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you're seeing things is because it's reconnecting and
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reinvigorating these neural pathways, which is like,
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amazing. Science is awesome.
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It's way cool and in this documentary that we watched,
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they they gave it to like a 70 something year old nun.
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I don't know if you remember this highly religious.
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Obviously she spent her whole life serving God and everything.
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And this is not somebody that would ever mess around with
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marijuana but or with hallucinogenics.
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But she was terminal cancer. And so she took it as kind of
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like a come to grips with the end of her life.
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And when she she did it and she was kind of experiencing this
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hallucinogenic, she saw mother Mary and mother Mary was like,
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hey, it's going to be OK. And like talk to her.
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She had a conversation whether this is a real thing or not a
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real thing. But she said she woke up the
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next, woke up from the trip essentially and was like, I have
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0 fear of dying. Like it completely changed my
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life. It completely changed my
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outlook. I'm looking forward to seeing
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what the afterlife brings for me and all this kind of stuff.
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And it's like how wonderful it took away the.
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And they showed that it like guides through trauma, like like
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severe debilitating trauma, like they go in, they give you this
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dose and then there's a professional there to kind of
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walk you through what's happening and you deal with it
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and you come out the end you go. Cured, like fixed, right?
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And that's the key is like having a therapist and like a
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team in there. Don't just take it this.
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Isn't like something you do in your apartment and you're like,
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oh, I want to see God like it's like it's a guided.
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Everything was guided by a team of therapists and.
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Also to pull you out if they need to.
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Yeah, like there's at least three people in the room with
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you. You're in a medical facility.
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And also there's a one way, we're one way mirror and there's
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a whole team of clinical staff behind it documenting it,
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feeding things to the therapist. Like, I mean, it's a fabulous
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tool. It's something that you want to
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do. Right, I would love to try it.
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I've never I've never had a hallucinogenic in any kind of
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capacity and I've always been scared because the the stories
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is like you're going to jump off a roof because you think you can
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fly and it's like a no, that's. Don't take that much.
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No, like normally that's like a comorbidity with somebody that's
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like going through like a bipolar or manic episode while
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they're also taking this thing, right?
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That's not the usual experience for somebody, but I don't want
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to take it at the house. Like I would want the team of
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therapists. And again, like, I don't have
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like, significant trauma in my history, so it's not like they
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could guide me through something.
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I just want to experience what it would be like to be on it and
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just sort of see, I mean, a lot of people are saying, like, I
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know I'm waxing poetic on this. I'm sorry, but that's why I
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brought it up. Yeah.
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It's this idea of like, it unlocks creativity that you are
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that you're suppressing. And I, and I always feel, and
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this is very personal, but like I always feel like I'm very,
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very creative person, but that my logical brain is putting a
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stopper in the creative bottle. And I don't know how to stop
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myself from doing that. I want to take the, the stopper
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out of the bottle and just see what comes out creativity like
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creatively. And I can't, I can't reconcile
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these two parts of my brain, the logical and the creative.
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But I've heard that it takes the stopper out and it allows you to
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experience full creativity. And so it's like, what would
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that look like? You know, the same thing because
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like, I wonder if I don't know if I would do it.
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I kind of want to know what it is, but I I don't I don't know
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if I want to dive too deep. Well, like I'm.
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Good mentally the. Issue with you is you might have
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significant trauma that you have buried and you do not want it to
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come back up and you do not want to deal with it.
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If I if I don't know, it can't hurt me, right?
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So that's fine. This.
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Is a great. There are occasional commercials
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that come on that I start crying at that I go, what the hell?
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That. Was weird.
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Where did that come? I'm from so that's only once I'm
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older. It's starting starting to breach
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now. So I'm like, wait a second.
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I have to like, sit and analyze. Like, so maybe you're not an
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ideal candidate because maybe I don't want to be because it's
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just like I don't have anything that's going to come up where
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I'm going to be like, oh, I have never dealt with that in 20.
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Years maybe I should like maybe I should deal with it and then
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but I'd be a whole different person.
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Like I feel like it would change me like to the core, yeah,
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because the reason like I'm fighting it off and if I'm not
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fighting it, then I'm having free to like be a normal person.
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I know, but look at that be. Like I.
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Mean it would be so, so interesting.
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Well, yeah, I mean, I'm glad you brought it up because this is
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one of my favorite topics to talk about.
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And just how amazing this research is, how amazing the
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work is in this this field and how I wish it was more regulated
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and how we were able to do worse stuff.
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With this so yes after you comment which 8 is right, please
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definitely dive deep into the psychedelics and figure out how
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you feel. Is it 2?
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Circles on top of each other or this Yeah, I can't tell where
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the. Camera is.
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I drew a snowman because that's exactly what it is.
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Is it this? Is it this?
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Option. I don't even know.
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You know what it is, right? I don't.
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Know the right way or the wrong way, right?
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Right, the eight you like and then yes or no to syllabus. 8 or
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no? Thanks for watching and we'll
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see you next time.