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Elijah Abraham: Apostasy, Bishops, And ‘Christians’ Needing Repentance · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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Hey, friends, today we're going to catch up with Evangelist and Pastor, Teacher of
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Pastures, Elijah Abraham of Living Oasis Ministries, that's next.
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Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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defending biblical Christianity, no topic off limits.
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And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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Hey, friends, thanks so much for tuning in, and if you've been following us for a while,
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you know we catch up with an amazing brother in Christ, Elijah Abraham, former Muslim,
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and for decades now he's been teaching the biblical worldview, traveling overseas constantly
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in such a busy man and high demand, and we do not show his picture for security reasons.
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And just for our newer audience, I know there are a lot of new viewers and just to let
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you know, so Elijah is so good to have you back with his brother, looking forward to
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catching up.
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It's always great to be with you brother, it's wonderful and I appreciate the opportunity,
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thank you.
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All right, thank you for your time.
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So we are going to get to your response to President Trump and the New Administration,
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some of the progress already.
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And also we're going to talk about a disturbing thing, the National Cathedral and the Bishop,
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the female Bishop, Mary Ann Edgar Bud or Booty, whatever her name is, just the disappointing,
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we got a clip of what she, she was preaching for those of you that didn't see it, she was
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preaching at Trump in advance about their policies when it comes to LGBTQ when it comes
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to legal immigration and on and on.
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So we're going to get to that in a minute.
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Elijah, I want to find out first of all your recent trip and then what are you preparing
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for?
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So let's start with where are you heading in the near future and then we'll go to your
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recent travels.
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Yeah, I appreciate you asking the question, actually I am in my final stages of preparing
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my teaching materials, I'm going to be going to Eastern Europe, I'll be gone for six weeks,
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I'll be going to four countries, I'll leave March 4th, return April 14th, I believe.
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I'll be going to Poland, Romania, Moldova and of course, Romania, Ukraine.
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This will be my third trip to Ukraine, we've been doing a lot of humanitarian work.
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Lord really blessed our ministry and effort that way through our ministry partners and donors
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to help feed and sustain many of the widows and orphans as well as those who are staying
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behind near the front lines and these villages.
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So praise the Lord for that.
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As I'm really hopeful, now President Trump in the White House truly believed that this
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war will come into an end real soon and then our ministry will do a little bit of humanitarian
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until things kind of get stabilized and then our ministry will change into equipping
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the new leaders because during the war, half of the pastors left the country or died because
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they were recruited because they meant to go to war and so forth but just like what
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we experienced and we saw in Middle East and other parts of the world when people go
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through war they start seeking the true God and God responds that way and we've seen
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many people getting saved.
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I'm talking about about the thousands in Ukraine as well as we saw that in Middle East.
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So in Ukraine we're trying to prepare new leadership to disciple and lead these new believers
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and our role and I'm sure I'm not the only one going to Ukraine as far as ministry but
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our role is truly to help these young believers to grow spiritually but those who got called
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to ministry, help them and equip them to lead their own people.
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So when is this next trip, Elijah, when will that be?
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Yeah, I'll leave March 4th, I'll give office six weeks.
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My wife will join me the last two weeks of the trip and will continue in that journey
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and we of course my wife will reach out and minister to the women and the churches that
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we minister to, mainly in those countries I'll do conferences to pastors as well as
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elders and seminary students, topics anywhere from apologetics and Muslim evangelism to
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biblical theology and foundations, eschatology definitely there and biblical counseling.
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You have no idea how biblical counseling is needed overseas and I know it's needed
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here in America but over there I remember the first time I went to Eastern Europe in
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2019 in Moldova and never been to Moldova and never heard of Moldova until they told
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me where.
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I said what can I do for you and I sent them some information and topic, they said teach
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us how to deal with suicide, help us understand depression, how to deal with this, how to
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deal with somebody who would have a critical spirit, how to deal with anger, I said oh,
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okay, well let's see what the Bible have to say about these things.
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So I have to go back to my books and study and I got a dear friend of mine, she does have
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ministry, she's got wonderful counseling center and I asked her if I could use some of
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her materials, she said glory to God.
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So it's been a blessing, eschatology definitely a hot topic because as you know for the
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last four years, five years with COVID and by the administration and all of the nonsense
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that the world has to go through, people are very much anxious, afraid, don't know uncertain
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of the future, but for the believers, they should not have these feelings why because
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we got the Bible, but nobody teaches them about eschatology from scripture point of view.
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So that's been really a great blessing to see the light comes on in their head, they
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get excited, I had pastors and leaders when finally they get into teaching, they stop
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me, they stand, say sing, they dance, they say hallelujah, some of them cry, it's just amazing,
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it's just amazing.
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Wow, faith over fear, powerful, powerful, the warnings, without warnings, but just the
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admissions of fear not all throughout scripture, so important.
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But yeah, especially the persecuted church, persecuted pastors, you know, talking about
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biblical heaven, talking about the second coming, talking about the rapture, it's all about
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hope that God is going to set the record straight and his righteousness is coming and we have
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an inheritance to be with him.
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And that by itself helps the persecuted Christians, so you know what?
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I can handle the persecution, God is going to give me grace every day, but this is temporary,
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my home is with the Lord, I'm just an alien here, a traveler, so they can deal with it.
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So it's a blessing.
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So by the way, friends, the website, you can get more on Elijah's ministry at livingauesis.org.
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That's livingauesis.org.
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So let's briefly, just on Ukraine, just for another couple of minutes Elijah, I know this
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is speculation, but I'm asking you, and I know you're not a prophet, but I'm asking you
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to give us an idea of what you might expect come March when you're over in the Ukraine.
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I know a lot could happen based on Trump's communication with Putin and Zelensky and all
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that.
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I mean, a lot could happen.
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It's just the end of January here.
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So just give us your thoughts on how that might change even your trip.
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Well, I'm watching this really carefully and Zelensky's already started losing support.
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We already started seeing some European countries saying, you know what, we're not going
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to support the Ukrainian war effort.
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We cannot afford it.
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We're not going to give any money and so forth.
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Zelensky, I think he gave an interview yesterday or today or last 48 hours anyway.
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And basically say, well, our main partner is the United States.
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We need more troops, blah, blah, blah.
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He's desperate.
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And he's recognizing that the deep state is not in the White House.
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And President Trump has no interest in carrying on with this war.
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Actually, I'm sure you've seen his post to Vladimir Putin and others say, let's stop
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this killing and let's do it the easy way.
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But if you want to do it the hard way, we could do the hard way.
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And that's a good thing.
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It's like a shot across the bow to both like, okay, you need to come to the table and
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let's make a deal.
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So that's my hope that this war will be over by the time I get there.
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Which I think the fast pace of the Trump administration, just for the last few days, I think it will
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be over Lord willing and that will make our ministry and other ministries and the rebuilding
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and it will be a lot easier.
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So that's my hope.
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Oh my goodness.
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When you said rebuilding and just what the people, the people there, you know, this isn't
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their fault that this war especially the church there, that's yeah, they lost a whole
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generation.
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I mean, a huge population of men.
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So here is, here's Zelensky asking, let's continue with the war, who's going to find
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it?
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Yeah.
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So basically he's asking foreign troops or missionaries to come fight his war.
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Well, some missionaries, you know, missionaries, they did it and they got hammered.
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They got killed a lot of them.
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But as far as military, I know France wanted to go and everybody else and out of things
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are going to happen.
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So yeah, he's going to have no other option but come to the table and definitely he's
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not going to regain the land that he lost and for every for a very good reason because
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this is a Russian population areas that he cut off water, cut off electricity, basically
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cut off food before the war I'm talking about.
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Even the Azerbaijan battalion, that was a Nazi battalion, bombed them a number of times.
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That's why that Putin took over Crimea to really to save the population, they were hammered.
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So Putin not going to give those territories and I believe President Trump is understand
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that and he's going to convince Zelensky, hey, take the losses and stop.
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So hopefully that's the case.
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But nobody asked me for my opinion except you.
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Yeah.
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Well, we hope so too.
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I think most people would think, yeah, we want this to come to an end and just it's been
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just so tragic and if Trump was in office, who knows, we can just speculate that the
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war probably wouldn't have even happened, Putin probably wouldn't have even invaded
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Ukraine.
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Because the issue, I truly believe that the media had a big huge part of it as well.
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Here in America, they never told the true story, I've seen it and I know what the story
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is.
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And when I went to Eastern Europe and I've seen the East European Christians forget about
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the rest of the population, but the Christians brought into the propaganda as well because
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that's all the media they have.
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So it's really sad.
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So I had to be very careful when I'm in Eastern Europe and talk to my partners, the Christian
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partners about this situation because they are middle of it, they're close to it.
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But all I had to do, it just asked them some really key, wonderful questions that makes
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them stop and think, oh, I did not know this, I did not know this.
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So I'm helping them slowly open the window, even when I went to Southeast Asia, to
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Indonesia.
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The past is there, they have a whole different opinion of President Trump, which is a liberal
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American media being exported over there.
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And that's how the view President Trump.
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So when I asked some questions, they said, well, we did not know that.
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How do we know that?
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They said, well, you guys are pastors, you ought to know and thinking hats on, don't
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believe everything, this is all propaganda.
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And I'm not here just defending Trump, what I'm saying is truth is truth.
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Whatever you hear and watch, put your thinking hats on, take it for granted, do your research
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and don't believe everybody.
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And that's what I tell my pastors that I train as a look.
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Yes, just because I came from America and I'm teaching you this, don't just take my
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work for it.
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I got a screen here, the projector, all the notes.
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And everything is, I got the references in the Bible.
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So when you have the notes translated in your language, do your research and it's from
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scripture.
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If what I said, it's not in the Bible, take what I said and throw it out of the window.
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So it's, it's, we have to kind of put our thinking hats on and I think in America as
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well, many Christians being deceived.
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So Elijah, I wasn't planning on asking you this, but I just with all the executive orders
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that I believe most of them out of necessity, this president, president, Trump had to do
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and it was compelled to do by the voters, one of them.
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And I don't know how much we've talked about this or not, but the gender ideology, one
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of them to have to actually say as president, this is the policy that we are supporting
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and endorsing that there are only two genders, male and female.
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I mean, that got the loudest applause, I think, in his state of the union, I'm not
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saying to the union, in his, when he was inaugurated, I think that got one of the loudest
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responses in all the places people were watching.
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And you think, wow, what would our great grandparents think?
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Why would it be necessary for a president to have to state this?
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Go ahead and then we'll take a break.
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Yeah, I totally agree with you.
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I mean, why doesn't it have to take a president to say this and take this action?
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And the reason that he got the loudest applause because everybody realized this is insane,
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this is not normal, it's illogical and it's not natural.
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And all of that is being pushed on populations, whether it be a believer or non-believer and
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pushed around the world, exported around the world.
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And finally, the people said, finally we have somebody have the guts to say enough with
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this nonsense, it's black and white, male and female, that's it.
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So praise the Lord, I was excited about that.
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Yeah, me too.
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And just, it's just really astounding that it, this, driving these conversations, but we're
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So Elijah Abraham is with us.
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He's in Texas, between ministry trips, and one more follow-up question Elijah about the
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gender ideology.
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The countries that you go and visit, does this ever come up, or what do they think?
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What do they believe in Moldova or Ukraine, or places that you go about what is going
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on in America with gender ideology and drag queens?
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And what?
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Go ahead.
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Yeah, they think that Americans lost their mind.
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Literally.
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They say, I don't know what's going on in America.
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I pray for us, because we have a delusional spirit that has taken the land.
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And it's an anti-Christ spirit that hates Jesus, hate the church, hate humanity, hate marriage,
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and that's why Satan wanted the loot marriage, wanted the identity of a male and female.
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So let's mix them all together, hybrid humanity, all of that nonsense.
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And they think that we just lost our mind, just to give an example that the United States
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and the United Nations blackmail other countries, giving an example in Uganda when they tried
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to push this homosexual marriage and homosexual ideology.
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This has been going on for a number of years.
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And Uganda is one of the poorest countries in the world.
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And they have to depend on financial aid or United Nations and so forth.
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So when they tried to push that, and the president, they said, no, it's a marriage between
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male and female, we're not going to do this.
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And actually they persecuted and prosecuted homosexuals.
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And guess what they did, the United States and the United Nations, they stopped threatening
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them to take their aid away from Uganda.
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And it's interesting.
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I think one of the, I don't know if it's the same president, but he said, we would rather
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die pure and moral than rich and immoral.
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I was like, hey, wow, that's the view.
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So of course, when you go to some countries like Thailand and other places, Thailand was
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way ahead of the West and America and transgenderism and sex change operations.
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The perversion there, it's way on steroids, let's put it this way.
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Okay.
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Other countries?
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They don't care.
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Okay.
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So now, one thing I wanted to talk to you about, speaking of delusion and apostasy, let's
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guys play this clip from the quote unquote sermon that was preached at President Trump
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and JD Vance at the National Cathedral.
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Go ahead.
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In the name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country.
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We're scared now.
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There are gay, lesbian and transgender children in democratic, republican and independent families,
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some who fear for their lives.
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In the people, the people who pick our crops and clean our office buildings, who labor
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in poultry farms and meat packing plants, who wash the dishes after we eat in restaurants
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and work the night shifts in hospitals, they may not be citizens or have the proper documentation.
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But the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals.
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They pay taxes and are good neighbors.
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They are faithful members of our churches and mosques, synagogues, udara and temples.
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Okay, Elijah, where do you start with this?
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But I just want to share a quote from Charlie Kirk and let you take it away.
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He said, Bishop Marianne Edgar Booty is the bishop of the Episcopal diocese of Washington.
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He's the first woman to hold the position.
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She was given a great honor, a chance to unify America around a Christian message at the
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dawn of a new administration.
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Instead, she disgraced herself with a lecture you'd hear on CNN or an episode of The View.
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What an embarrassment, Elijah, go ahead.
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Well, the first is disrespectful.
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You have a new, duly elected president sitting in the church.
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He came to give thanks to God and hear you as a representative, supposedly the representative
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of God to open God's word and give thanks to God and say, what God have to say.
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Leave your politics out of it.
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But could you imagine what the media will do and the view on all of these left media would
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have said if Obama sit in there and somebody from that pulpit chastises him about what
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Obama's agenda?
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If you imagine what would happen to that person or how they're going to blanket all Christians
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who have this view because we're all divisive and big hits and all of that stuff.
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So, it's really, she was out of line and has something else.
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You remember what they say that politics should not be preached from the church or from the
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pulpit.
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That's right.
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The separation church has stayed.
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What is she is?
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It's like really?
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So, and that's really should be a message to pass us in America.
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What are you afraid of?
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Speak the culture.
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Talk about what's happening in the culture.
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Speak biblically in love, but truth, but also call a spade a spade.
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If you have two candidates, look, I'm not saying that Trump is my savior.
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Jesus Christ is my lord and savior, but between him and Kamala or before Kamala is Biden,
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that's like the options.
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What did they stand for?
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Which have as close as to my biblical world, that's the person I'm going to vote for.
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But you need to tell the congregation that.
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You need to explain you as a pastor, what do you stand?
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But unfortunately, major pastors in America, not all, but majority of them, brought into
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the idea of separation church of state, which is one, unbiblical, two, is not in the Constitution.
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And the founding fathers, that was not the intention about this letter, and you know that
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letter about the separation church of state.
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So they brought into the lie and second, they are hostages to the IRS because of the
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501c3 non-profit status.
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So my question is, you heard me say this, this is my soap opera box, my question is,
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my question is, since when, can you show me, since when, why the church of the living
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God survived for 1950 years without the IRS?
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How come all of a sudden, for the last 50, 60 years, the church cannot plant a church
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or establish without a paper from a hidden institution called the IRS to start, to open their doors
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to be non-profit?
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The second question to that, would the church members go to that church and still give
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their time, knowing that they're not going to get tax deduction if the church says we
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don't want to be non-profit or have a 410c3 because we're a church of the living God,
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we acknowledge by the Constitution that it says to assembly as a church because it is
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survived from 1776 to 1950s with Lyndon B. Johnson.
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So I'm not, I was not even born in America, I know this.
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But where are the church members or the church leaders in America?
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How come they don't stand up?
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That's what I like about Paul Blair, which you know him very well, with the black robe
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regimen and so forth, that's what they've been talking about, it's trying to raise awareness.
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Yeah, we need more bondhoffers, silence in the face of evil is itself evil.
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But second Timothy 3.5 comes to mind, have these women bishop, having a form of godliness
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but denying its power, have nothing to do with such people.
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One more quote and I'll get your response, we've got to wrap it up in three minutes, Elijah
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Abraham.
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This is from Eric Mataxis, who said, a woman can't be bishop, let's just start there.
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And a Christian cannot believe God makes us gay or lesbian or transgender.
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That is a lie in complete contradiction to what the Bible says.
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The Piscopal church turned its back on God decades ago and this sermon in Eric quotes
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was proof.
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Your thoughts?
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I totally agree.
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I totally agree.
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I mean, if you look at the qualification of a bishop slash elder, it's a man.
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It's not there, a woman, it's the same thing with prophets.
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If you look at the Old Testament and the New Testament, all the prophets were men, an exception
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with Deborah.
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And the reason with that, if you know your biblical history, because there were no men
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in all of Israel really seeking after God except Deborah and God used her because he had
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to use somebody and he did with her to appoint Barack to lead God's army to fight the fight.
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However, that's an exception, it's not in the rule.
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So are there deaconesses, women?
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Yes, but not elders to teach and preach the Word of God.
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So this modern day, you know, women pastors, and I know I'm going to be chastised over
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it, but for me, hey, it's not me, it's God's Word, your fight is not with me, it's with
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God's Word and Jesus.
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So take a fight with him, don't take it with me.
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Just because I don't agree with your worldview of when the 21st century we were in modern
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church and we should allow women, they're great teachers.
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Of course, there's a lot of there are a whole lot better Bible teachers than some of the
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men I came across, but the Bible is Bible and the authority is authority, you will have
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to go through that.
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Amen.
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So there are warnings about the philosophies of this world and warnings about the church
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conforming to the world, Elijah, one minute, how's your health and how can people be praying
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for you as you get ready for your next trip?
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Well, as I get older, you know, things don't fall on the part, as you know, yeah, thank
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you for asking that question.
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Yeah, physical health is important and I'm trying to stay healthy and watch my diet and
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so forth.
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In my back, I always have chronic back pain since 1997, but by God's grace, I continued
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to do what I do and I've been in 51 countries, praise the Lord for that, and counting.
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Pray for my family because we always under attack.
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When you in the ministry, you constantly under spiritual attack, pray for funding because
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our ministry, we help overseas pastors, as well as humanitarian work like Indonesian
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and Ukraine and other places, but also because of the inflation, we lost some supporters,
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but by God's grace, we are still here.
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So I appreciate the question and I appreciate your listeners and prayer is number one need
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for us.
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Thank you, brother.
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We appreciate your time.
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We will do this again.
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Thanks so much for all you do.
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I appreciate you, man.
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Thank you so much and I'm really proud of you and you're a good soldier to stand beside
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me.
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May Christ be praised.
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Friends, thank you so much for sharing the podcast.
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God bless you and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.