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What happens when you refuse to follow the narrative · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  Today's conversation is with internationally acclaimed educator, author, and editor, Mike Faircloud, to talk about his book, Sovereignty, John Mappen and the Restoration of Sanity, a declaration that philosophy, not politics or economics, is the true engine of history.
• 2:17
  So Mike, I think that we have a lot of great things to talk about.
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  This book about John is really, really great.
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  I was really happy when it came across my desk.
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  I've known John for quite a few years.
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  He's a friend of mine.
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  So I'm really your book was very, very interesting and really did point out the fact that it really is about philosophy and not about politics or economics that is the true engine of history.
• 2:44
  So you present John as a modern embodiment of a mythical hero.
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  What qualities led you to see him through those eyes?
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  So I met John in 2023, January 2023, and I was invited to the Carlton Club in London for what was meant to be a secret meeting, say meant to be because it was in the press by the next day, uh across the Times, etc.
• 3:16
  Um, and it was a meeting of um people who were concerned about the COVID vaccine rollout to children.
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  And I was invited because I um used to be a head teacher or school principal, but I was the only um head teacher or school principal out of 43,500 in the whole of the United Kingdom.
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  So that's England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales, to publicly express my concerns about the COVID vaccines.
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  And John at the time was um publicly expressing concerns, uh, particularly around uh children receiving the uh uh dangerous and unnecessary shots.
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  And um we were there for a meeting with um uh mainly sort of doctors and scientists, but also lots of politicians.
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  So uh Andrew Bridgeon, who was a member of parliament at the time, uh, Dr.
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  Robert Malone, um uh Dr.
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  Asine Malhocha, lots and lots of people who were coming together in this um what was I said, like meant to be a secret meeting, but it was there was no way it was ever going to be kept under wraps.
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  So by the next day, it was the the mainstream media were reporting about these quote unquote conspiracy theorists meeting together to um to uh to spread misinformation, and uh, but uh that was the beginning of my relationship with um John.
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  And um uh having then looked at what he did prior to that time, I saw that he was also making a stand in other areas.
• 4:49
  So he he lives in a castle.
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  Um so he's he's he's lives in um Camelot Castle Hotel, which is which is a castle in Cornwall, and um he runs it as a as a hotel with his wife Arena Mappin.
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  And um back in uh 2017, he was approached by uh the home office of the UK government and was offered um approximately 20 million pounds to turn his um uh hotel into a migrant processing center.
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  So at the time, and it continues to be the case.
• 5:28
  We were having lots of um uh illegal uh immigrants entering the shores of Britain, so unvetted people.
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  We've always been welcoming to refugees and people of, I mean, I'm married to an Indian, he's married, John's married to a Russian, where it's nothing xenophobic about it.
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  We're just like to know who's coming into the country.
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  And um, and there's and it's got to the point now where there's like sometimes a thousand uh young men a day from places and and the intelligence agencies have um spotted that some of them are um Islamic terrorists, etc.
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  So it's not a good situation.
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  But back in 2017, John was um offered the 20 million pounds to turn his hotel into a place where approximately 400 uh migrants would would move in and then be processed.
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  But within where the castle is, it's in a village called Tintageol, which only has 1,500 people in it.
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  And his concern was that this fragile community would be disrupted by dropping in another 400 people, some and all of whom we no one knows who they are, and some of them would quite possibly be dangerous.
• 6:37
  So I thought, wow, that's pretty an amazing, that's an amazing stance to take there.
• 6:42
  Um, he also um, although things have changed now, he he was one of the few people who back in 2016 predicted uh the rise of Donald Trump and actually he put a wager on it and uh made 100,000 uh pounds and was invited to the White House, met Donald Trump.
• 7:00
  Now, sadly, uh both John and I feel um uh whatever's happened there with uh the president, he's not quite fulfilled uh one of his promises, which is to end the forever wars.
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  But anyway, all of these things are in uh the uh the book um prior to this this current time, and it shows John's ability to network with people from across borders, across the political divide.
• 7:27
  So he's not, you know, he gets framed as being like um you know right wing, um, but he's not doesn't subscribe to you know left or right or any of that stuff.
• 7:36
  He sees it as an illusion, as do I, and he has taken an extremely strong stance on matters which at the time are usually controversial and politically sensitive, but he's got the the guts and um the integrity to speak his truth authentically, and that's what led me to write the book about him.
• 7:57
  You know, that's kind of you know, a lot of us have known John for a long time, kind of running in those circles.
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  Um, I was supposed to be at that meeting, but was not able to travel at that time.
• 8:07
  So I'm familiar with what you're talking about.
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  Um, you know, his but that um his stance against saying no, you're not gonna use my um historical home for all of these 300 plus illegal aliens.
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  And interestingly enough, I think that's how John got to know be known really much more internationally.
• 8:27
  I think his uh that interview that he did got like 50 million views globally or something like that.
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  And um, there was just an article that just came out a few days ago, and I actually sent it to John on WhatsApp and I said, Well, it looks like you made the right decision because there was all these promises from the government that you know, we'll give you 50 million pounds, and if they destroy any property, we'll we'll refurbish it, we'll do all these things.
• 8:51
  And there was just an article that just came out a couple of days ago that said that the government was really reneging on a lot of its promises that it had made to these hotelliers that these people are not leaving and they're not giving any additional funding.
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  And it looks as though those people that that John, like John, who stood up to that, really made the right decision.
• 9:13
  Yes.
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  You heard from other hoteliers around of what's happening and how the government isn't following through with it.
• 9:18
  Well, almost all of them have um sold out and taken the bribes.
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  So that's the difference.
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  And and and 20 million is actually quite a small amount compared to what some of them have made from their various um hotels.
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  So John is the only one uh that I'm aware of who has had the integrity to turn that money down.
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  And it's not that you know, he he he couldn't do with an extra 20 million quid on this, but it's not about that.
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  And this is the thing.
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  He's got his um his spiritual outlook and his integrity is something that really inspires me.
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  And and so I've studied uh mythology and written about mythological.
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  Figures and the hero's quest for a long time.
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  John's book is my eighth published work.
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  And throughout a lot of my work, I I cover things like you know, Homer's Odyssey and the Hero's Quest as a sort of blueprint for life, really.
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  So, you know, we all have our ups and downs, don't we?
• 10:20
  And our losses, and you know, might be a bereavement or uh uh I mean, you know, yourself as somebody who's spoken out and the hits and losses that you get along the way, and those times when you feel like you might not make it, and um, and then you kind of deep dig really deep into yourself, and then you find you have the inner resources to be able to get um across to the finish line, and of course, um you learn about yourself along the way, and that's what I've I've discovered from my friendship with John and Arena as well.
• 10:52
  Um, that um both of them are are the sort of embodiment of the mythological heroes' quest.
• 10:58
  And of course, um Camelot Castle is the home of the legendary King Arthur, so it's steeped in history, and it feels like um the whole place sort of channels that kind of energy.
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  It's got a very high spiritual vibe, and it's something that's communicated through uh all of John's work.
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  And it was interesting because during the writing of the book, there was a point when I was um writing about the late Charlie Cook, but who uh before he was shot, so right?
• 11:31
  It was like like the the day before he was assassinated, I was writing the chapter about Charlie because John was very good friends with Charlie, and they um had communication almost daily um or at least three times a week via um you know, text message, etc.
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  And John helped um Charlie get into the position with Turning Point USA and started the um with others, the turning point UK um movement.
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  So John had seen the potential in Charlie early on, and then he kind of cultivated that and made really good friendships with him with uh Candice Owens, and then later with Tucker Carlson as well.
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  And uh it was interesting because um what in the writing of that chapter, the the the following morning, um it was about 4:30 in the morning, because I got up very early, and uh I went to light um the wood burning stove, and I I remembered that it was um uh uh John and Arena had a celebration on that on that particular day, and I went to message John, and and the what I had in response was um that Charlie had been assassinated, and something really interesting and powerful happened to me whilst I then what in terms of the writing of the book, because I was about halfway through by this point, and the entire book pivoted not just not just in terms of like the subject matter, but there was an energy about it which changed because we all started to go through a process which I suppose is grief and shock, but also there was something else that was spiritually happening with the assassination of uh of Charlie and which was communicated through my conversations with John, which is in the book, and um, and I feel like all of those things link again to the mythological hero's quest, you know, on on the way of life, we do have these moments where we're taken off on these tangents and we stumble and you know, we take these curveballs, etc.
• 13:39
  But all of them are part of that story and that narrative, and and I hope that I've kind of communicated that and the necessity for it within this book, because what I advocate is that although we all want our lives to be simple and easy, um, there are times when we are called to the quest and we must really stand, and um and uh calling out the COVID vaccines for children was an example.
• 14:07
  John making a stand uh regarding um the illegal immigrants was another um and uh the whole free speech uh issue generally, it which is throughout the book, by the way, is yet um another one.
• 14:20
  So I think that's what ultimately we both want people to be inspired by regarding the book.
• 14:25
  It's not so much John's story, which is phenomenal, it's an invitation to everyone to be able to speak their truth, even if they are the only one standing at that particular time.
• 14:40
  Yeah, well, that's that's really true.
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  But that happened to so many of us during COVID, you know, that we had to stand on what we knew to be true against all odds and against all forces.
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  And you know, the title of your book is Sovereignty and John Mappett and the restoration of sanity.
• 14:58
  Why why the little tagline on there?
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  What did it mean to you about the restoration of sanity?
• 15:05
  So these are both um uh words which have come directly from John.
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  So he's been talking about sovereignty for a long time.
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  Um it's something that I resonate with, obviously, because I'm I've regard myself as a freedom fighter and an advocate for free speech, and I believe in national sovereignty, etc.
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  But um it's something which John has carried for uh a lifetime really, and what he says is that the pursuit of sovereignty is the most sane thing to do.
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  So to keep silent about things that you know you should be talking about is sort of by definition sort of insanity, and we actually go into quite a few aspects of uh our kind of complex world which has layers and layers and layers of ways to destabilize people and to make them quote unquote insane.
• 15:56
  So, for example, the whole psychiatric movement, um, psyops as well, the use of psyops, and and it was interesting because um we all discovered, didn't we, that during the uh COVID era, there were I mean, I didn't even know what a psyop was before COVID.
• 16:11
  And then I just covered that I was actually um because that was that was the interesting thing, just watching how people were kind of came under a spell, and it's happened many times since.
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  I think it's happening again with all of this um uh every dreadful stuff happening with with war as well, so many uh different aspects which which um kind of steer public opinion, etc.
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  And within Britain, uh there were several mechanisms which we used to control people and to steer public opinion.
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  So we had the um psychological nudge unit, um, the counter disinformation unit, which is an aspect of the United Kingdom's government, and I was monitored uh by them.
• 16:53
  I did a freedom of information request, and uh one of the things they uh had on me was me saying that as a head teacher, I had a legal duty to safeguard children against harm.
• 17:05
  That was one of the things they thought was offensive, and then the other thing they said was offensive was when I said that children have wonderful immune systems.
• 17:11
  Apparently that was eligible for uh extremism.
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  So there was the the counter disinformation unit, the rapid response unit, uh, MI5 and MI6, which are the British uh intelligence agencies were working in liaison with the counter disinformation unit.
• 17:29
  Um, and also even uh a unit of the British Army, the 77th Brigade were all over all of us who were regarded as dissidents um at the time.
• 17:39
  But of course, you know, there's something kind of there's a blessing about being immune to these sorts of um psychological operations, and we go into a lot of detail about this within the book, also looking at things like MK Ultra within America, it's the same sort of stuff, these mind control techniques which make people do things which seem totally illogical and irrational, but it does seem to be the case that about three quarters of the population are susceptible to that kind of brainwashing and conditioning, and this book seeks to shine a light on that and to enable people to become ultimately immune to those sorts of psychological operations.
• 18:21
  You know, I was one of the named one of the disinformation dozen by the Center for Digital Heat that came out of the UK, and then the gentleman moved to Florida, and then he got his uh visa revoked, and now he's back in the UK, and we're trying to extradite him to our come back because we've got a big lawsuit at with going on with the federal government about freedom of speech and how the government and the big tech industries were uh pushed by the Center for Digital Hate into calling us the different disinformation dozen and all the things that had happened.
• 18:53
  So yeah, yeah, we've had a lot of us have had that.
• 18:56
  You know, one of the And how did may I just ask you, how did that for you?
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  Um so for me hearing you because I obviously I know about that, and I see from a from an outside perspective, I you know, that that's like you know, you're a legend, obviously.
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  But what was that like for you personally?
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  Did it did you take lots of hits as a result of being labelled in that way?
• 19:23
  Yeah, and I and we still are, you know, the label just is persistent, you know, and that's the thing.
• 19:29
  It's like even though COVID is gone and all the you know, the censorship still remains, and the labeling is what still remains also.
• 19:39
  So, you know, we lost all you know, all of our platforms lost a lot of money, you know, like took money out of my PayPal account that I never got back.
• 19:47
  I'm still permanently banned from PayPal and Instagram and Facebook and Podbean and places like that, and the rest of us that well, the other 12 have suffered consequences of that to one degree.
• 20:00
  Or another, but it's um, you know, um we you just had to stand strong and just that you were saying what you were doing.
• 20:08
  So and the reason I ask you that is because so I and I'd go into this in within the book as well, to talk about how these sorts of things are like unofficial social credit systems.
• 20:20
  So the idea um I believe is that um we are made examples of um in order to then silence everybody else.
• 20:30
  So other people then self-censor out of fear of reprisals because they will say, well, you know, look what happened to Dr.
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  Penny, Dr.
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  Tenpenny or to Mike Fairclough, you know, in terms of reputational damage or financial loss or whatever.
• 20:43
  I you know, I'll I'll keep I'll keep my mouth shut because that's oh I need to uh you know I'm gonna put myself preservation ahead of anything else.
• 20:52
  And you know, the I it does feel like that's really the key thing because the the mistake with that is to to it would be uh untrue to say that speaking out um is easy or that there are not times when it's in like the you know the the hits are it's just really extreme.
• 21:15
  Um but to if everyone were to remain silent, then the ultimate consequences are bad and worse for absolutely everyone.
• 21:26
  So that's why I liken it to the mythological hero's quest as well, because there's everyone feels the resistance.
• 21:32
  Well, certainly I did, you know, there were there were there are points where I was thinking, God, I really want to, I don't want to be doing this, don't feel comfortable.
• 21:39
  Um I I feel I feel you know nervous about what's happening, but then had to weigh up the pros and cons of remaining silent or and and staying within the comfort of the known, or stepping out into the quest and actually meeting the challenges.
• 21:55
  And and I and I I want to believe that the that ultimate sacrifice is the right thing to do for lots of reasons, not least of which for children, which again, going back to John and the book, that's one of the key messages within the book because his his reason for making a taking a stand on lots and lots of different issues.
• 22:19
  And he's not afraid, by the way, to um you know, be unpopular for a while when he's made a particular stand.
• 22:27
  Um, but the reason for that is because he's not just thinking about himself, he's thinking about his um his uh child, he's thinking about the children of Britain and the world, and he's also thinking about future generations.
• 22:40
  And I think if we all apply that kind of thinking, so putting our self-preservation on the back burner, really, in and then and then thinking about self-sacrifice for others first.
• 22:54
  And it was interesting when in your intro when you were talking about the pastor who comes on uh once a week and talks about um uh the you know teachings of Christ and the biblical teachings like, well, that's the that's the they're the kind of values that we should hold on to, and I feel that should be steering us.
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  So well, certainly that's what I try to do.
• 23:12
  So yeah, that's it's interesting hearing what your experience has been as well.
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  And I think it's good to also be completely honest about it not necessarily being easy because it isn't.
• 23:23
  No, it isn't, and it sticks, and the the name calling sticks.
• 23:28
  But there's a lot of people that call me the the tinfoil hook, the magnetic lady, because they took everything I said at the at this hearing at in in wash in um in Ohio before the health committee, they the representative had asked me if I had seen any unusual symptoms going on.
• 23:46
  And I said, Well, we've probably seen all these things across the internet of people like putting coins on them and spoons and it sticks.
• 23:54
  That's kind of an unusual symptom.
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  I think that they should look into that and determine whether it's real or not, or if it is real, what's causing it?
• 24:02
  Well, then the label came through all of mainstream media, like even on the six o'clock news that this crazy doctor had said that people get magnetized after they get a COVID shot.
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  And they had taken what I said completely out of context, and that still is in my Wikipedia page.
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  We've got just a few minutes left before we take our break here, Mike.
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  And I want to ask you this question, because you say this in your book that this isn't about just charting the life of John Mappen, which I agree with you is a very interesting story just in and of itself.
• 24:34
  But you ask this whether philosophy, courage, and imagination have the power to avert catastrophe and call civil civilization back from the brink.
• 24:45
  Do you think it can?
• 24:47
  Yes.
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  And I've and um so looking at all of the um religious texts and mythologies, uh, and all of these messages from ancient times, the ultimately good always prevails.
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  That's that's that's the message.
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  That's what happens.
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  So we're in a spiritual battle at the moment.
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  That's what John and I believe as uh there's a tussle between the light and the dark, but the light always prevails.
• 25:18
  And it's it's fascinating actually because the book has been um endorsed by uh uh Candy Sowins and Tucker Carlson.
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  In fact, their quotes are on the cover of the book.
• 25:28
  It's the only book in the world where both of those individuals have um have endorsed it, which I've I feel very humbled uh by.
• 25:37
  And um, they obviously are talking about things which are um could deemed politically sensitive and controversial, not least of all um calling out the uh war in Iran and and you know, cautioning against things like children being killed uh on all sides, whether they be Jews or or or Iranians or anyone, and you know, and and and yet that's considered um somehow unpatriotic by some people, which I think is which is which is incorrect.
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  I don't believe in that.
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  I think it's more important that we hold the value of life regardless of where people are from and to cherish it across the board.
• 26:20
  But I think that what I'm noticing is that the amount of people who are waking up now, I mean it's interesting, you know, we've spoken a lot about the COVID vaccines, and and we all know people um who have who were into that stuff, hook line and sinker who had multiple shots and who are now suffering from health issues, and um I've had numerous people come up to me and say, um, yeah, I wish I'd listened to you at the time and so on and so forth.
• 26:50
  That not everyone's still like being open about it and speaking out, but some people are, but the main thing is is that it kind of worked that period of time woke a lot of people up, and I think that that is a sign that we're moving in the right direction.
• 27:03
  And I also believe that um, so one of the things that happened to me was um it was about uh 18 months ago, I ended up uh praying for the first time in in uh in many many years, um, because I um you know I I was no longer a head teacher, I'd been investigated three times and you know, essentially blacklisted from the uh profession.
• 27:27
  I ended up um doing a delivery job, uh delivering fruit and vegetables for a friend who was very grateful to have that work, and it was a it was a fabulous uh job to be able to do, but it didn't really pay the bills uh completely.
• 27:42
  Um it helped me uh tremendously, but it you know, wasn't uh I wasn't able to really make that big big leap that I needed to.
• 27:50
  And I started um praying out of desperation, and I prayed to God, prayed to Christ, and um uh the light started to come.
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  It started to, and I started to have opportunities and uh last year back in February, I was given a big contract uh for a book.
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  I then wrote another four books uh last year, picked up another contract um at the end of last year as well for a marvelous um uh uh uh lady I'm I'm co-authoring a book with called um uh Dr.
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  Claire Craig, you may have come across her, she's fabulous, a really outspoken um uh COVID freedom fighter.
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  And uh and and so yeah, what it did was that that it enabled me to tune into the light, and I I genuinely believe that the light will be triumphant and will prevail at the end of this time.
• 28:46
  We you know, we're gonna go through these this this hardship and these difficulties, but there will be light um at the end, and I and I believe that um going back to your point, the idea of imagination, if you can imagine it, if you can visualize that kind of um uh fabulous future for all of our children and all the future generations to come, then it's a reality if we if we believe in it.
• 29:10
  So yeah, that's what that means.
• 29:12
  That's really that's really beautiful.
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  And I really like the idea, the concept of a COVID freedom fighter.
• 29:18
  I've never heard anyone express it quite like that before, but I like that a lot.
• 29:21
  I'm gonna hang on to that.
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  Mike Fairclough is an internationally acclaimed educator with 30 years of experience in the field, including 19 years as a high-profile headmaster.
• 37:07
  He was the only serving headmaster or school principal out of 43,500 in the United Kingdom publicly questioned the COVID vaccine rollout for children.
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  He's the author of six books, an editor, and a ghostwriter, and he has brought stories of many CEOs and other outspoken thought leaders to life.
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  And he's got more books in the pipeline.
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  So we'll be looking forward to hearing about those.
• 37:33
  We're so glad you're here with us today.
• 37:35
  Thank you.
• 37:36
  Do you really believe that personal sovereignty and national sovereignty are inseparable?
• 37:44
  Yes.
• 37:45
  So there's a great quote from I'll see if I can get it up on my so I can um read it correctly from Tucker Carlson about my book, actually.
• 37:58
  I should have memorized this, but um because it's so awesome.
• 38:03
  Tell you what, the thing about John is he's such a connector of people.
• 38:08
  So I've met um, for example, at his call, so I've met Nigel Farage.
• 38:15
  Um, I've also met um there's a guy uh called Rupert Lowe, who started up a new um political party, which is actually a rival to reform uh called uh restore Britain, and um and some just incredible incredible people.
• 38:32
  But and uh uh Toko Carlson is one of the people within his network, and this is I've now got the up here.
• 38:38
  This is what he says about the book.
• 38:40
  He says, free your mind, free your country, free the world.
• 38:44
  It's possible as this book explains, which is a really amazing, very humbling um endorsement.
• 38:51
  And what that means is um if we go to our absolute um heart's true self, no one really wants to be um uh uh controlled by others.
• 39:06
  Now, that could be within a relationship, it could be within a family, it could be within a community, or it could be within um a nation.
• 39:14
  And it's interesting that lots of us who um stood up and fought against COVID's tyranny during that era, uh, then um took up the fight against digital ID, which is obviously ongoing.
• 39:28
  And digital ID is um something which within Britain has been pushed tremendously.
• 39:34
  Um the government still haven't quite got it across over the line, but they've used all sorts of um uh quite weak excuses to try and sell it to the uh to the population.
• 39:45
  For example, um, the prime minister said a few months ago, he said, Oh, I've got this great idea.
• 39:51
  Um, we could stop illegal immigration by having digital ID.
• 39:56
  Because what will happen is once they've rode across the English.
• 40:00
  Channel on their boats will ask them for their ID.
• 40:02
  They'll say they haven't got any, and they'll basically row back.
• 40:05
  And no one fell for that one.
• 40:07
  And then they came up with um uh another um uh uh uh suggestion, which was that um it would save people time from rummaging around for their passports and their other forms of identification, and um so so they've used all these different sort of excuses, none of them have really landed.
• 40:29
  But the point is um the the control of the uh nation in that way is also the control of the individual.
• 40:39
  And if we surrender our personal sovereignty and our national sovereignty, then we essentially end up sort of surrendering, surrendering the sovereignty of our soul as well.
• 40:51
  So they're all intrinsically linked.
• 40:54
  I think it would it it deserves um very, very uh honest self-examination at the same time.
• 41:02
  So I've had to do this myself.
• 41:03
  I've had to look at my own beliefs and behavior and think, right, where am I sort of sabotaging myself or controlling myself, or where have I got conflicting um narratives which I need to be able to sort out in order to be able to get to my truth, and that's where I've used personally uh the power of prayer to be able to sit silently with myself and then to be able to arrive at a place where I can then operate from a place of authenticity.
• 41:33
  And I'm reminded actually in talking to you about uh of a Gandhi quote um who said um my truth is uh sorry, yeah, my consistency is to truth, not yeah, no, my truth is to oh dear, what is it?
• 41:53
  No, my commitment is to truth, not consistency, which I love.
• 41:59
  So it's like, you know, what might be your your truth on one in one moment can change, and it's we've seen this uh um recently with um President Donald Trump, where it's like, you know, it's like oh that doesn't really feel like that's the what we've kind of bought into.
• 42:15
  That's not making uh uh America great again.
• 42:18
  So therefore I'm going to voice that.
• 42:20
  And by the way, John's done a very good uh job of that as he always does, having been um you know invited to the White House and celebrated by President Donald Trump and a massive supporter um has now said, you know, we we can't um accept what's what's happening now.
• 42:38
  He's kind of is in the same campus Tucker Carlson and Candy Soins on that one and and myself too.
• 42:44
  So that's an example of one's uh commitment being to truth rather than consistency, because that again would be a trap.
• 42:53
  So but it requires I think quite brutal self-examination uh and on and honesty, and then the humility to be able to say, actually, I've changed my mind, and and I don't know whether you found this as well, but you your reference to the name calling that happened during the COVID era.
• 43:12
  For for me, I don't know whether this is the same for you, but for me, I've kind of become quite immune to name calling now.
• 43:20
  It kind of doesn't land like it used to.
• 43:23
  Have you found that at all?
• 43:24
  Well, you know, during that whole time, I mean I just made that as a statement, it really doesn't stick with me.
• 43:30
  Uh, when I was when come growing up, I came I grew up in a small town in north central Ohio, and we were the I think the founding, my high school was the founding members of the mean girls.
• 43:42
  I think they started it.
• 43:44
  So I think when I was growing up, you know, I was the subject to a lot of that, and my mom used to always tell tell me sticks and stones can break your bones, but names can never hurt you.
• 43:54
  Yes.
• 43:55
  But I heard that all my my whole life growing up.
• 43:58
  And um, so when it got to be happening in my adult, my adult world, I said the same thing, it just kind of you know flicked it off your shoulder.
• 44:06
  It's like, you know, they're not breaking any of my bones, so I guess it's okay.
• 44:11
  Yeah.
• 44:12
  For me, it was more so so I think to begin with, it did bother me, and particularly with the press, um, because I was uh so it was really interesting.
• 44:21
  Actually, before Brexit, so I I voted to leave the European Union, and before Brexit Brexit, I was uh sort of for on the traditional left in terms of politics.
• 44:32
  Um, and and in many ways, I kind of a lot of those values are still still hold.
• 44:37
  And during the Brexit years, I I uh discovered that actually the whole left wing, right wing thing seemed like a bit of an illusion because at the the the it was frame you were framed as being far right if you wanted to have sovereignty, national sovereignty.
• 44:54
  And for me, I thought that was always a kind of left traditional left-wing um value.
• 45:00
  Um, and uh so and then when it came to COVID, um I was also um uh in the press uh like you know, I was a conspiracy theorist, which I guess I could like wear that one, but also um kind of framed as as far right, which they what they mean by that is racist.
• 45:21
  Now I'm married to a dark-skinned Punjabi Indian woman.
• 45:25
  I'm not racist, I'm not I'm not at all.
• 45:28
  I've I've I've I want to have national sovereignty.
• 45:31
  I want to control our borders, um, and um I don't want just like any random person turning up, and particularly don't want um terrorists turning up to the thing, but that doesn't make me um xenophobic or racist.
• 45:43
  I think that just means that um I I believe in sovereignty, but to begin with, those kind of slurs did make a difference, but after years and years and years of it, it kind of didn't really kind of make any difference.
• 45:57
  Um so um, and I think that's one of the things that makes people stay silent as well and self-censor some people, it's literally the name calling that they don't want.
• 46:08
  Obviously, there are levels and layers which we've both experienced of the punishments that you get, reputational damage, the financial consequences, etc.
• 46:18
  But the the first sort of lines to get through is the one of being um lumped together with um, you know, I don't know, like Nazis or something.
• 46:28
  Though Trudeau did it, didn't he, with the um the truckers, you know, he was like they were all somehow Nazis, which was just ludicrous.
• 46:36
  Um yeah, so um uh but but I think you going back to the book, that's that's the that's the purpose of the book, it's to inspire people through John's amazing story, and and just to say, you know, he's such a networker.
• 46:52
  So his his network which expands all the time to the most influential and powerful people on the planet alive today, really, and which he does through um communication, very clear communication, authenticity, and his love of humanity.
• 47:13
  Um, and and it's a way what we're trying to do is we're trying to empower and embolden other people so that they also can speak their truth.
• 47:22
  It's not necessarily to agree with our stance on everything, because if somebody's got a different opinion, that's fantastic, but we just want people to be genuinely sovereign within their own being so that they can um pass that on to their children and the future generations to come.
• 47:38
  That's that's the whole point of the book.
• 47:40
  You know, you're you you're the hero's journey is a recurring archetype in your work.
• 47:47
  Um, what do you where do you believe that Britain is in that journey and comparing to America and the cultural fragmentation that's happening here, and you see similar fragmentation that's happened in Britain with all of the massive infiltrations and the stories that have come out of changes that have happened just in London, you know, like the all the that the the it's it's always been white Anglo-Saxon domination of the world has been history of Britain, which it seems to be changing.
• 48:17
  And how does that apply to the cultural archetype that you write about in your work?
• 48:23
  Well, so um I felt so it's interesting.
• 48:26
  John's got this phrase um saying um uh uh John Britain is um an 11th hour uh nation.
• 48:38
  It they people tend to rise at um a quarter to 12.
• 48:43
  So that means that you know we wait till the very last minute and then people rise up, and that's what's that's what's happening.
• 48:51
  And um I do think that there are some really positive um movements in that direction.
• 48:57
  So one of the things that unfortunately Nigel Farage as head of the reform party did a few months ago was he um allowed onto his team, um several um uh conservative members of parliament, including uh Nadem Zahawi, who was the uh member of parliament at the time who um oversaw the COVID vaccine rollout to children.
• 49:25
  Now, those of us who voted for reform, myself included, voted for reform because we were promised that there would be a reckoning on the COVID era and that there would be a national investigation into why children and babies and pregnant mothers were put at risk from this dangerous and ineffective uh medical intervention, and the introduction of these other members of parliament showed us very clearly that um that wasn't going to happen.
• 49:56
  So when Rupert Lowe, who, as you'll remember, I I met.
• 50:00
  Through John Cornwall started uh restore Britain.
• 50:07
  That ignited a grassroots movement across the, in fact, it's the now the fastest growing political party.
• 50:14
  It's uh it's outpaced uh the Conservative Party, it's got lots of young people joining it.
• 50:20
  Um, and it feels like we're at that point where it's that sort of quarter to 12 moment.
• 50:25
  People are beginning to rise up and they're beginning to do something about things.
• 50:30
  Now, what we need to be very careful of is that we don't then fall into the psyop and the trap of everyone fighting against each other, because that's what they I think that's what is is being is being designed and and planned.
• 50:43
  So what they want is Jews versus Muslims, you know, Muslims versus Christians, white versus black, dah-da-da, all this kind of stuff.
• 50:51
  That's just not how it should be.
• 50:53
  It should be humanity coming together and looking at who's pulling the strings at the top.
• 50:58
  And we go into this in in the book regarding various uh globalist uh organizations.
• 51:04
  So one of the things that Britain um is tethered to uh and has been since 2015 is the United Nations uh sustainable development goals.
• 51:14
  So these are 17 uh goals um uh which we're kind of legally bound to follow, which include um things like the the climate scam, um gender ideology and all sorts of things, all dressed up in the veneer of virtue, of course.
• 51:30
  You know, it's all for like the for the good of humanity, but when you kind of scratch the surface, you can see that it's all about like control, basically.
• 51:38
  So I think that it's important that we um uh at this point, which I think just going back to your question, where are we?
• 51:47
  I think we're nearly at that point where we're we're we've got the the elixir, you know, the the holy grail, but there are quite a few pitfalls which could happen between now and that point.
• 51:59
  But what I would say is that um the most important thing to do is to look inward and to give oneself those moments of peace and tranquility, to be able to just gauge, going back to the uh the the Gandhi quotes, which I fumbled but got got there in the end, of um one's commitment being to truth rather than consistency.
• 52:20
  So where you know you it's it's possible to change your mind and to change your path if that's what you authentically need to do within a particular moment.
• 52:30
  So I think we're in in we're we're still in a quite a perilous part in the mythological heroes journey, and we're almost there.
• 52:40
  That's what I think anyway.
• 52:42
  That's marvelous.
• 52:43
  That's very uplifting and encouraging when you look around and all you see is you know, it's almost like if you were a firefighter and you had a hose, there's so many fires to be put out, you don't know where to begin.
• 52:54
  Yes.
• 52:55
  In writing this story, writing about John and writing about sovereignty as the title of your book is uh sovereignty, John Map and the Restoration of Sanity.
• 53:04
  Were there any interesting, any interesting things that you learned that surprised you?
• 53:10
  Uh yes, there are there are a number of different um things.
• 53:14
  So I would say that um uh yeah, give me two minutes.
• 53:18
  I'm going here too.
• 53:19
  Two minutes.
• 53:20
  Um so um there are lots of different things.
• 53:24
  So, firstly, I would say it's the international nature of the um network of people who uh John has uh connected with, so it crosses continents and the political divide.
• 53:39
  Um I think there are sort of X additional layers of the idea of MK MK Ultra and Government Psyops, which um I learned a lot about, but there was also um uh a great deal which you can learn within the book regarding the this the very precious and cherished relationship with Charlie Kirk as well.
• 53:59
  So that was one of the things which you'll find, I think quite beautiful within the book, which I'd be hope I've recounted and conveyed in in as as as as as authentic a way as possible.
• 54:10
  John's happy with it anyway.
• 54:12
  Um, but there are some real nuggets in there which are uh which the reader will need to be able to resonate with and and read to be able to really understand.
• 54:21
  And your book, Sovereignty, John Mabbin and the Restoration of Sanity, where would you suggest is the best place for people to buy that?
• 54:28
  Uh, if they go to Amazon, um, but it's also available from so within Britain, it's uh Fisher King Publishing.
• 54:34
  Uh within North America will be Sky Horse Publishing, who's uh through Reginry, who's who's doing who's publishing that, but you'll find it on Waterstones, Barnes and Nobles, and from a every major bookstore and outlaw uh outlet worldwide.
• 54:49
  But initially, I would I'd I'd advise um uh people to go to Amazon.
• 54:55
  Well, you have two minutes left in this interview, and I know you have to run.
• 54:59
  So, what it would be in just two minutes, your biggest takeaway and why people should buy this book and read it.
• 55:06
  Um, so I would say that the the uh the the main reason to do it is to be able to tune into again the mythological heroes quest and to be able to look at that as inspiration within uh an individual's personal journey.
• 55:21
  So whatever's going on for for people to be able to look at the inspiration of people such as John who've been able to take a stand and to be able to talk about culturally uh sensitive, politically sensitive and controversial topics, even when they've been the only one doing so, because they there will be times even within a relationship of two people when there will be a time when you feel like you need to say something but you don't.
• 55:49
  So we we hope that this book will inspire people to be able to have the courage to be able to, you know, in a in a non-confrontational way, speak their truth and to be able to in and through that be able to reclaim their individual sovereignty, which is the first step towards uh national sovereignty.
• 56:08
  Well, I think that that's really a great play way to end our our conversation here today, Mike.
• 56:13
  And it's been such a pleasure to have you here.
• 56:15
  And it's really nice to have a a common uh person that we're talking about, you know, with John Mabb and being a friend of mine, and you did a lovely uh work on this book of really really representing John well.
• 56:27
  You really represented him well.
• 56:29
  Thank you very much indeed.
• 56:30
  Thank you for saying that.
• 56:31
  What he represents and what he represents personally and to the world.
• 56:35
  So with that, I'm gonna close out with one of my favorite verses from the Bible.
• 56:38
  I close all my broadcasts with, which is Romans 12 12.
• 56:42
  Rejoice in hope, be patient in trouble, be persistent in prayer.
• 56:46
  We will see you here tomorrow at the at the same place, same time on the 10 penny files at 3 p.m.
• 56:52
  Eastern.
• 56:52
  Have a great rest of your day, everybody.
• 56:54
  Goodbye and God bless.