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Little Women | Full K-drama Review / Ep. 30 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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I'm Jessica and this is a TC presents, debbik.
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A Rambles. Were a couple of friends review
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Korean, dramas and welcome to another episode.
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Today, I have a repeat guests with me.
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Me now from the crash. Landed on Kate, Dramas podcast
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out. Are you me now?
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Hey Jess. I am fantastic.
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And thank you for having me over again to discuss the drama that
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we are going to go in depth about.
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Yeah, if it's not I'm so happy that you agreed to come on.
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It was kind of a last-minute thing, but I'm so excited that
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we're going to talk about Little Women today to 2022.
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Drama that. Yeah, I know that you had
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watched and I was like, me now, would you like to come on and
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like, talk about little woman and you were like, yeah, I'm
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excited to talk about. Out it how have you been like,
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what have you been up to? I think it's a holiday for you,
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right? Yes, so actually, it's Diwali
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time for us the last whole week. It started last Saturday and it
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went on till yesterday. I was just telling you I had at
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the volleyball yesterday night. I came home very late at 3 a.m.
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in the morning. So I've had a very lazy Sunday,
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but I had a fantastic week because my mom is here.
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My uncle and Aunt, are you? I've got family.
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So yes, we were all together after five years.
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Years. Celebrating the word.
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Yes. Oh my God.
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That is so special. Yeah.
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So I'm so happy for you. Yeah.
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Well I'm sure the pandemic kind of hindered.
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Yeah, lot of family. Also like I we couldn't go down
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for the generally, we do go down to India for the valley, but my
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cousin has not always been able to tie her timings.
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So it was nice to have all of them here together and stuff
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together. So yes, what a blessing.
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Oh, I'm so happy. Yeah.
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All right. That's a cool.
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Cool way to say like what? Been up to oh my God I had my
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whole family over celebrating. Yeah, that's fantastic.
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I do want to kind of segue into a little bit of a somber note
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because we are recording this within a couple of days of the
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itaewon tragedy, that happened during Halloween festivities and
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it is absolutely heartbreaking. I've been following the news
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and, you know, my prayers go out to all the victims.
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All the families that are some that are dealing with this right
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now and I know that as more news comes out, And people are
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mourning and Korea's and National mourning right now, I
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just want to say that we are really cognizant of that and
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we're really respectful of that. And I know that some people
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might rather not have recorded a podcast.
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Matt might not have put out a podcast this week, but I feel
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that deeply kind of the same way that newness noon.
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She posted something earlier that people are kind of going
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through, secondary trauma right now, and if they need a
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distraction, Jin. If they want to get their mind
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off things if they want to listen to a podcast on a kdrama
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that they watch this year, then I'm here for that.
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I would love to be there for people and comfort them in some
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way shape or form by talking about a kdrama for an hour and a
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half. So this is for you, if you feel
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like you need a distraction, if you feel like this is going to
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comfort you in some way, I hope that it does.
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And if not, if this is not the right time, then please like,
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press, pause, or Do what you need to do and come back later
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if you feel inclined. So, I did want to say that at
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the top, you know, we're there we stand with all of the Korean
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citizens that are dealing with this right now worldwide.
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It's making national news and, you know, I'm heartbroken.
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And I'm grieving with you guys. Yeah, same Jessica.
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Thank you for seeing this. It was very shocking for me in
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the morning. When I went through the news.
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I, I couldn't believe what's happening and really young
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people and this Beads are such a big tragedy because you are out
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there to celebrate and to not have your loved one come back.
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I don't wouldn't wish this on anyone.
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So all my condolences and prayers are with the families of
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those who've lost their loved one in this horrible horrible
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tragedy. And like you said, if this helps
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you get your mind off you know I think we've done our bit little
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bit here. Yeah yeah.
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Alright so I'm going to segue into To some housekeeping.
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All right, so I'm going to get started on reading the my drama
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list synopsis for Little Women. Here we go.
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It's really sure. I didn't I didn't put the whole
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thing in this documentary. So here we go.
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Three sisters get involved in a case that leads them to fight
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against the richest and most influential family in South
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Korea. Little Women are to originally
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from September to October 20, 22.
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And we are recording this at the very end of October.
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So this is really fresh. We are recording basically on a
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brand new drama literally just finished airing.
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Its 12 episodes long and it's directed by Kim E1 and she
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Erected soundtrack number one, Vincenzo from 2021 Crown Cloud,
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warm and cozy. So this is kind of a commute one
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season because we covered the crown cloud and Vincenzo in
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season three, which is quite, I mean, I didn't necessarily plan
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for it to be be a Kim. He won season, but here we are
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things happen for a reason. Yeah, I mean, it's good.
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There's Trends, definitely in this season.
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So it's written by Jung Suk young and she has written a
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bunch of movies. She's a frequent collaborator
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with Pakistan. Okay, so she's written decision
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to leave. She's written the handmaiden
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from 2016. I'm a cyborg but that's okay.
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Sympathy for lady Vengeance, these are all crime Thrillers
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and so you can kind of get a sense of what she is
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specializing in. And then she's also written the
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kdrama mother from 2018, which I hear is excellent.
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I have never seen it. Have you, you know, why haven't
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I Okay. Now have put it on my watch list
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because of seeing what the writer showed in Little Women.
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So, yes, and major. I started handmaiden.
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I need to complete it. I had to take a pause know you,
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it's valid because that movie is very interesting and heavy.
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Did you get through like the first part of the movie?
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I've actually got whozits and like, 20 minutes of it, and I
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had to false. And now I'm like, I need to
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stretch myself and watch it for sure.
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It's intrigued me like anything but don't break it.
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Don't break it for me. I will not ruin anything.
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We be in Miguel my good friend Miguel who's been on a couple
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podcast episodes. We reviewed it for the patreon
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feed and that we were just like giggling the whole time like the
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we had a time with the handmaiden but that's another
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story again become a patron because then you can listen
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Excellence a good review which was very entertaining.
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We were entertained Very least. Yeah.
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So Little Women Stars can go soon as Owen Jew.
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And of course, she's been in about eleven movie.
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She's the Goblins bride. She's been in yumi's cells, the
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king, Eternal Monarch Goblin cheese in the Trap.
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She's a very well-known name and it also Stars Nam.
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Ji-hyun, as Owen, Young sister, middle sister, and she's starred
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in The Witches. Diner 365, repeat the year, 100
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days, my prints, which is a very good Saga.
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Look and suspicious partner which is an excellent like law.
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Do you love that one? It's amazing.
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My favorite wrong. It is my ultimate favorite.
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Yes, I love shouting about it all the time.
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Nam. Ji-hyun is my favorite actress
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and Dita happened on June are my favorite couple.
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I am that's respectable. That's so respectable because
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they are so good. Inconspicious partner.
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Have you watched Have you watched the BTS?
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Their BT over more fun. I was like, do you guys have
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rocking chemistry? Why are they not in a drama
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again? Oh crap.
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All right well so I'll have to watch the behind the scenes for
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suspicious partner but oh nice. All right, to round out the
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sisters. We have packed you and she
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starts his own. Hey, she's the youngest sister
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and you might have seen her most recently, on all of us are dead
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from 2021. I haven't watched that, but I
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need Tony Me. Maybe Halloween is a good time
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tomorrow, to that is about perfect time.
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So much all of us are dead because it's a zombie Thriller
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show. Yeah, this cast is kind of
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extensive but I'm just going to limit it to the three sisters
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and we can go in and out with the other cast members as we
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need to. All this being said, you know,
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what did you think of Little Women?
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I'll be honest. So I watch everything Nam
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Ji-hyun starsin. Okay.
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And I was very intrigued by because I've read the book ages
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ago when I was in scrying. Yeah, of course, I think people
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know that little women, the the name And you sisters.
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The basic basic premise, is based on the Louisa May Alcott
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book which is a classic American novel.
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Yeah, I'm yeah, the book is is a coming-of-age drama.
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The mother is very loving. These forces does art, I clean
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it and they go through their own Journey, Etc.
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Okay, so at the back of, I hope I remember this correctly.
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Is it the Civil War? I'm not, I don't remember this
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correctly, but yes, edit this out.
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It is civil war-era. Yeah, exactly.
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Okay. So when I was intrigued, I said,
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I kept thinking Cory's do such great slice of Dramas.
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What are the adapting Little Women into?
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Okay, so what are they going to have?
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Because they have great slice-of-life traumas.
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What are they going to do with this book?
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The first episode caught me completely unawares, did not
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expect it to be this dark and Sinister and hit with A death in
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the first episode. So I was piqued my interest
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piqued, big time. And I think it helped that I was
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watching it as it aired and a lot of people are and I got two,
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three of my friends. I said look girls, I've seen
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this, you have to watch this with me because I'm going crazy.
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I can't be going crazy in my head theorizing about what's
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hitting me next. So, I need somebody to talk to
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and they also started following and they also enjoyed it was a
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if I have to summarize it it was a wild ride.
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That's how I am. That's how I summarize this
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whole drama and I like the thrill of it.
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I like the plot twist. Some were there just for the
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shock element? They could have.
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Hmm, even if they were not there.
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I don't think the drama would have been less captivating but
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as I washed it and I rewatched a few episodes, I realized the
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what the writer actually did is she turned the novel on its head
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made the sisters really flawed not the smart a kick-ass, women
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characters that we would like to see they were flawed, they were
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foolish, they were knife, they were Reckless selfish, but there
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was a lot of underlying social commentary through every episode
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that started to slowly creep in as you start watching the drama.
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So how the rich exploit the poor?
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How Cults? And ideologies can brainwash
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people how they prey on the weakness and Desperation of
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people? To make them do things that they
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wouldn't have otherwise done. If they were not put in that
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situation, abandonment, generational trauma.
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And I realized that they did it pretty well while keeping it at
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a level where you are practically, not trusting any
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character you were. Just, I kept waiting for when is
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this character going to turn gray and twist to the dark side?
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That was right for the approach. So I'm glad a few characters.
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Didn't go down the road, but it was a very satisfying.
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Fine. Watch for me.
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That's my job and you liked it. Ultimately I think I liked it, I
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liked this and I would recommend it.
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I enjoyed it a lot. It probably is puts it in my top
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10. I loved it so much.
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Oh wow, top 10 K dramas. Okay.
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So just to say my thoughts I went into it with a lot of
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trepidation because I'm a huge fan of the original Little Women
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of course, I read it as a kid and I've watched all of
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different movie. Ones, which are extremely
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popular especially in today. Like, I'm very surprised a
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little woman is kind of like doing so well, but here we are
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and the keep remaking it anyway. I love Kim.
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Go hoon. And I love this cast and they
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were saying, oh, it's like a thriller.
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And I was like, oh no, I don't know if I can like swing that
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that seems really excessive for little women like to throw these
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beloved sisters. In a crime Thriller, I was not
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about it, but I think after watching the first episode, I
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was quite taken with the problems and issues at the
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sisters had to navigate and I would say the first half of the
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show is extremely Pitch. Perfect in terms of tone in
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terms of writing in terms of like these different plot,
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twists and machinations that come across maybe to contrives
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later in the show as they kind of compound.
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And it turns a little more mock Johnny's and I wanted
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everybody's using this word mahjongg.
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I'm not sure what it was that smug.
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Gyeonggi, to be very honest towards the end.
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I was like hmm. This is little too excessive in
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hyperbole for it to just be a casual crime Thriller.
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But anyway, was I digress. Yeah, it wasn't a crime.
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Thriller in the sense, it was a thriller around a financial That
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was the other thing is that the crime I'm talking about is
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financial crimes. Crimes are on paper crimes that
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are apparently very difficult to prove in court, who is
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responsible. And I guess I'm a little more
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financially illiterate than I thought.
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And I use that term heavily because that's a buzzword,
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towards the latter episodes. Yes, financial literacy.
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And that's how is some characters just get into trouble
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because they're just so, Woefully inept at following
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these Paper Trails in these people who are so experts.
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So like such experts at Deception and financial
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deceptions. So I was a little more
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confusing. I wanted to be in the latter
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episodes, but I made it through and I would definitely say that
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this is a masterpiece, definitely more Prestige kdrama,
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and I would put this on par with other kdramas.
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Do very difficult topics about identity and class and money
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like a so many different commentaries running,
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concurrently throughout the show.
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And I feel like that's the smartest part of the show.
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Not to mention the cinematography, the acting, the
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just all of these different set pieces throughout made this.
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Really, I wouldn't say enjoyable watch but it was very
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interesting. Testing wobbling at intriguing
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would be the right words. Mmm.
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And I feel like it's one of those movies.
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You see when I when something gets like this level of getting
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a drama, I start saying movie instead of kdrama but I like
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subconsciously, I just think it's Cinema.
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Yeah, so I think I liked it. I don't think I'm far, renew
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removed enough to maybe say that.
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I outright like loved it or that I just disliked it.
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I think I'm on the fence because I No, in the back of my mind,
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it's a really, really, really good drama, but it maybe it's
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not my genre eggs. Maybe, you know, it's just not
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written for me specifically, but others who really appreciate
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this kind of Storytelling. And this kind of story would
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appreciate it. Like I'm not one that
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necessarily watches True Crime. I'm not one that necessarily
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understands these really complicated story.
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Is about financial crimes and what that entails, like what
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does that even look like? So maybe that's why there was a
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little bit of a disconnect for me on the whole for the show.
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Yes. But I know that little women is
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probably going to go down in history as one of the best
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kdramas. There is period.
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Yes it will death. It should in my opinion.
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I'm I have a financial Industries background so I thank
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you see that's what I'm saying. Yeah.
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Because of that jazz towards the end, actually, they have a
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couple of loopholes and plotters where I was thinking.
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How can you not be monitoring? These sisters who been in the
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clink of this whole slush fund money.
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Why are they not being going to get monitored?
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How could they not any? Anybody with common sense?
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Once there's been a flag, your system has flagged it if you are
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in the bank's World, okay. On Has actions of money.
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Those automatically you should get picked up.
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Okay? So we come to it because it
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could be a bit of a spoiler. I don't want to spoil it for the
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audience, but I was struggling with that at the end.
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But like I said, my viewing experience was completely
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different because we start, I watched it with such an open
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mind, like, what's going on. And with my friends theorizing,
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along with we, we were really enjoying this as a wild ride.
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Obviously like you said, three, four things.
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Went over the top at the end but we still didn't mind.
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It was like okay we'll go along with it.
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I feel like that's fair and I also feel like there's a
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difference in may be watching this episode by episode as it
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was airing then I did when I just like binge it all at once.
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So I think a lot of the communal fun that happens when you watch
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a drama as its airing and your, you have friends that are
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watching with you and you're talking about theories and
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you're trying to come up with what the hell's going to happen
19:39
next. Yes.
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What is the significance of the thing that they introduced two
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episodes two episodes ago? Then it's repeated.
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Now in this episode like things like that are really fun and
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keep you really engaged with the drama.
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So I didn't have none of that. That's a go off of had to make
19:56
this experience better. Yeah.
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Off 26 episodes. I kept thinking, why didn't
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Netflix drop this or TV and drop it all that?
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Well, together, it represents such a great been durable, watch
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for me, because there were a lot of foreshadowing and clues that
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came very subtly. The first six episodes that It
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to unravel in the latter half and I was like, oh wait, I have
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to go re-watch that scene. Was it that what it was
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referencing to? So there are a couple of scenes
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like that especially within hey, which came to my mind.
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So the that bfl do, this should have dropped it.
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Like, you know, how scared game dropped with Eight Episodes
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Bank? Yeah, everybody got hooked to
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it. I think this magic would have
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worked for little bit. I agree with you.
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I think that once you kind of get a drama that's less than 16
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episodes, you kind of lose the The steam of, like two episodes
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a week for two months and everyone's waiting with bated
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breath for the next episode. When you got 12 episodes in,
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you're still releasing it week-to-week.
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It's just it takes a little something out of it.
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Especially when each episode is so rich.
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This is like a rich text. It's you know text that that's
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moving my I read a lot of theories on Reddit and a lot of
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know. Okay, read it went Bonkers
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during little open, it was up there so amazing.
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It was amazing. Sighs Audrina.
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Oh, I missed this point or she's right about this or this user
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said, the things that I couldn't have talked about.
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So it was very immersive experience to watch a drama like
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this. Yeah, I remember this happened
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during given Hometown Cha-cha-cha.
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There's so many discussions happening was crazy so these I
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think that also changes your viewing experience, you know
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maybe if I had washed it by myself alone, maybe I don't want
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bit more Bonkers and I'd be like, okay, What is going on?
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Because I had people to share it with it became much more
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enjoyable for me. Yeah.
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Yeah. That was how I watched it.
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Yeah, that's often a dark room. But I actually have to speak
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about the cinematography and background score.
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I thought this was Top Notch cinematography for me mr.
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Sunshine, and Kingdom a like, Peak, the best I've seen in
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kdramas. They don't feel like a trauma.
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They feel like movie, okay, on a very large, that's what I keep
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saying it. Is very cinematic and Prestige
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and beautiful. Like the camera angles either
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narrowing on a short or moving away from the short, or from the
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character, or taking it away the closed room, which becomes very
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pivotal in the whole plot towards the latter.
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Half the way, it's been built and how it the close-ups that go
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on the characters and far away. I have I just think of past
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seven years ago, I've never seen.
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In Singapore. Look so pristine in a drop
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episode, 8 was gorgeous. I can look at episode 8 type and
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again just for the shots offer Singapore as a city.
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So I really felt it was a, and the fact that she's directed
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Vincent's. Oh, that was the style.
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In the way, the drama has been shot or the characters carried
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themselves. So, I felt a lot of similarities
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on that aspect, which I really enjoyed.
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The background. Score was great, it was Haunting
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and taunting you distrust. Characters and what it was going
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to happen next. I loved loved the background
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score as well. I felt like it was a it was its
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own character. In the drama.
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You take away the score and the drama will fall flat a bit.
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So, the impact of the scenes, Becky was heightened by the
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score in the background. So I love that a lot.
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I agree with you 100%, 100%. What were some of the best parts
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of this of the show for you? Okay, so I was actually taken
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aback by how Flo Lord these sisters were okay.
23:47
Reckless income was as a reporter in Jews, naivety and
23:52
innocence, you know, she's doing things which we'll discuss in
23:56
when we go to the spoiler section.
23:58
Maybe pull my hair apart, like be a bit irrational.
24:03
What are you doing, right? So we understand we want smart
24:09
characters, we want Kick-Ass women, you know.
24:11
But you know, in reality, a lot of people are gonna Boo.
24:14
And a lot of yes, our knife and a lot of people do reckless
24:19
things. So I quite liked how these
24:23
characters were portrayed in this, trauma, the three sisters.
24:28
I, my biggest biggest takeaway for me, I think was I, was quite
24:33
in awe, that it's an all-women team, the director, the writer,
24:37
the antigonus, the protagonist's, even the
24:41
antigonus right-hand woman is she was not a The right-hand man
24:45
to the right. The ghoul was also.
24:48
So having such a women dominated drama, made it all the more
24:53
enjoyable for me to enjoy this, right?
24:56
The men were kept at a Supporting Cast positions and
25:00
they stayed true to it and it pushed the woman's story
25:06
forward, that that that's what I felt.
25:08
And I also thought that every actor whether big or small
25:11
brought their A-game to this drama, everybody.
25:14
Well, the helm attention, I wanted to know what's going on,
25:17
even if it ends up as a minor role, I enjoyed watching
25:21
everybody. So that's my summary of our.
25:25
The best parts of the show was the whole cast was very exciting
25:30
to watch. Yeah, I agree for me it was
25:34
pretty basically the same stuff. I really appreciated.
25:37
The all women team that was leading the show whether behind
25:41
the seeds are in front of it. And yeah, having Flawed
25:44
characters as always kind of like the better thing to do in a
25:48
in a drama like in just writing in general it just makes things
25:52
a lot more nuanced and interesting to watch.
25:55
And that's why I think a lot of people wanted to know, like what
26:01
what I thought, what other people thought, because there's
26:04
a lot to take away from here and there's a lawsuit to kind of
26:08
discuss whether on the whole or atom at a micro level and
26:13
unlikable. Characters weather because
26:16
they're naivety because of their recklessness or whatever.
26:18
Else make for better storytelling, something to kind
26:25
of sink your teeth into because an infallible hero is always
26:29
just going to be a one-note infallible hero.
26:31
And in this case, there were no Heroes and know you do nearly
26:35
everybody had an issue like a villainous issue to them, and
26:40
that's a lot more realistic to me as well.
26:44
Yeah, and trust me of in the first top.
26:47
So, by the sixth episode of by the fourth or sixth episode, I
26:50
kept wondering which of these sisters is going to tip to the
26:54
dark side and Brad everybody into the abyss.
26:58
Like, I kept waiting who, and I kind of had my money on one of
27:03
them, and the end of the drama was relieved that she did trip
27:08
to the dark side. So this constant, the writer But
27:14
this fear in your head that yeah, somebody is going to tip
27:18
over. Somebody's got to tip over.
27:19
They are not, they're not white, they are great.
27:22
Yes. And I like that aspect that she
27:25
put. Yeah, it's playing on not only
27:27
the characters and their trust between one another, but it's
27:30
playing on the audience itself and our trust with the
27:34
characters. Who should I believe, who should
27:37
I trust? Are they good?
27:38
Are they about earlier, screw everybody over?
27:40
Are they just after the money and all of these things prey on
27:43
your mind? That's why it was such fodder
27:46
for different theories like online.
27:48
Exactly. Yeah.
27:49
This is not a spoiler. But actually, you know, the
27:51
Hodgins character after Kim groans character, don't you
27:55
trust me and without hesitation she goes no, so many remains
28:00
around this that basically all the the audience do for every
28:04
character Little Women is like, no, we don't trust you at all.
28:10
I like that. I like that a lot.
28:12
It wasn't dad, trust me. Absolutely not.
28:18
I found it in Dolly, Parton. See her toes.
28:20
No, I don't trust you. I'm obviously it was more dark.
28:24
That so there is dark comedy or tragicomedy?
28:27
Like a have you seen Skye Castle?
28:30
Not yet. Okay.
28:31
Yeah, when we get there, so it's where, you know, the scene is
28:34
dark. You know, the premise is very
28:37
slow. You know, gruesome and yet there
28:40
are elements of Comedy that get inserted or a black comedy or
28:44
satire that gets in the tournament.
28:46
Didn't do that on a full scale but there were moments of such
28:51
instances especially with induce character that I felt that, you
28:55
know, she had these moments where she would, that's why I
28:57
loved can go in in this character in this character lot
29:01
moments where she had this Revelation that.
29:03
Oh, I think I've cracked this, and the next moment.
29:05
She's like, did I mess it up again?
29:07
So yeah. Happy to and fro Transitions and
29:11
I think yeah she pulled it off her face or Expressions were
29:15
fantastic to watch. She's great.
29:18
No complaints about King goon and I do appreciate you bringing
29:21
up the black comedy or the dark comedy aspects, which were
29:23
almost imperceptible in the show.
29:27
And the writer has done that in previous movies, that specially
29:31
that she's written, because I haven't watched mother from
29:34
2018. But I know that her work with
29:37
Pakistan nuke is Full of these dark comedy moments that are
29:41
kind of morose kind of like if I don't have that sense of humor,
29:45
that I definitely won't catch it but if I do then it's almost
29:48
like an Easter egg for those that have this kind of
29:51
sensibility and might find humor in a very dark situation.
29:56
Yes. And I appreciated that in the
29:58
show can go and was definitely a source of comedic relief in some
30:01
places. Sure.
30:03
That do things that stand out which we'll get to I just cannot
30:06
get over. How quick reactions.
30:08
It's more. She was, she was back to being
30:11
her naive innocent very, my content web again.
30:16
What were some of the worst parts of the show for you?
30:21
I think I have my cribs about the show where I do think they
30:26
went a bit over the top in some bits of trying to shock the
30:30
audience or trying to keep the shock element every episode they
30:33
could have toned it down a bit and I don't want to talk about
30:36
it now in this non spoilery section because it's giving yeah
30:39
the spoiler absolutely and they were to plot devices which are
30:43
very Sensitive issues around alcoholism and he's inside,
30:49
which were introduced to two characters in the drama and
30:55
either they were brushed off or they were forgotten about.
30:58
And to me, that didn't sit, right?
31:01
Because those two bits can trigger a lot of people and it
31:05
could have caused them to switch off the show also.
31:08
So if you're not going to do much around these sensitive
31:11
issues, I think you can not use them as plot devices.
31:16
Or if you do, give it closer, that's what I felt.
31:19
You know, I didn't even think of those things.
31:21
But I agree with you 100 percent about those two aspects of the
31:26
show. And of course, you won't say
31:27
like exactly how they fit into the plot or what characters that
31:30
pertains to in this side, which is spoilers, because we're not
31:34
going to spoil the show. No right now.
31:36
But yeah, that was kind of fun. What's the word irresponsible?
31:43
Yes, especially when They are when the Rider and the
31:46
showrunner, you know, the director are so in tune with
31:51
wrapping up, loose ends. And so careful with other bits
31:54
of the plot, they could have definitely made some room.
31:59
Yes, to kind of address these two very important things, the
32:04
alcoholism and the suicide stuff, which absolutely will
32:08
trigger some audience members is actually very serious to kind of
32:12
even. Yeah, it's been included that as
32:15
Perik turistic of certain characters, right?
32:19
Exactly. And it's really just not even
32:21
dealt with you, right? It's not even like, giving
32:23
closure towards opting, not it never.
32:25
It was never brought up again and to me, that's that didn't
32:30
feel right. Mmm.
32:32
You know people are struggling with those very very severe
32:36
things and it that's like I said that that could hit people in
32:39
the wrong way the way it was dealt with.
32:41
Yeah. Hmm.
32:43
So before anything am I? I think.
32:45
I think that was it did they try to complicate the plot of so so
32:49
ya know. Yes, they did.
32:53
Try and complicate the plot especially during the kind of
32:57
endgame episode, and that's when I was like very confused, my
33:03
sister would say you were fools old, because I was confused to
33:08
no end. And I was wondering how certain
33:11
characters were able to do different things.
33:14
When I thought they were on this side of town or doing x y z and
33:19
then all of a sudden they were actually here and Were plotting
33:22
this on the side or they managed to get over here and intercept
33:25
these people and do this while. So it's all wasn't looking and
33:30
there was a lot of like deception after deception after
33:32
the reception. And I felt very strongly for
33:36
engines character can go in character because she's just
33:39
kind of getting, you know, jerked around.
33:41
She was just by talking around. Yes, everyone who's smarter than
33:45
ever than her, everyone who is financially literate, everyone
33:48
who has something to lose, or something to gain.
33:51
Not just her is absolutely manipulating her and using her
33:56
in the final few episodes, especially and I got
34:00
overwhelmed, completely, I just kind of settled on more General
34:04
ways of understanding the episodes versus like the actual
34:07
details of stuff that happened and I wonder if a lot of other
34:11
people felt the same way I think you probably had a better grasp
34:14
on everything that I do. You're like, yeah, I did like,
34:18
like I'm saying because I did binge it right.
34:21
Bye-bye. Give to the episode 11 and 12
34:23
lot of theories and my head were cleared up and I knew what to
34:27
expect because I was waiting for two of my theories and they came
34:31
out, right? And then it was just a matter of
34:33
how they solved it and showed it to us.
34:35
So, I was okay. In a long time, I felt that
34:39
actually or the finale of the drama wrapped up a lot of loose
34:43
ends. They didn't leave too many Loose
34:45
Ends, maybe one or two, so I can forgive them for that, but it
34:49
was, you're okay. Hmm.
34:54
Yeah, but for me, I was very satisfied with what they did in
34:58
the finale with the characters. Like I said, we'll discuss the
35:01
couple of loose ends or plot holes, but I can forget them.
35:06
I've come to a point where kdramas can drag so much in
35:10
between, so if yes, I've enjoyed 90% of the drama, I can let go
35:16
of the 10% in. Not crib about that 10%.
35:18
I you do what you have a point because when you get those 16
35:22
and Episode dramas, you will have fat to trim.
35:26
And you will have Superfluous storylines things that don't
35:29
really feel, right? And you kind of forgive it, if
35:33
dramas really good and if not if the kind of it's the drama's
35:36
kind of mid, then you're sitting here and complaining about it,
35:39
all right? Which is fine, that's your
35:41
prerogative. But yeah, it's the way it was
35:42
written and it's art and you can critique the art.
35:45
But exactly this drama was pretty tight at 12 episodes it
35:49
was and it was move it. Like the plot was Was moving for
35:54
most of those 12 episodes. Like it was not stagnant at all.
35:58
So I kind of feel you. Are you saying like well, I like
36:00
90% of the drama. So I'm gonna be a little kind to
36:04
that 10%. Yeah.
36:06
Yeah. I guess we want so many gay
36:09
dramas, which are quite ludicrous.
36:10
So I mean, it's all right, you're absolutely right.
36:18
I'm almost hesitant to talk about some of the general stuff
36:21
that might Fall into like the themes of the show.
36:25
Yeah, without kind of getting into spoilers.
36:27
So I wonder if we should just give our scores and jump into
36:31
spoilers at this point. Yeah.
36:32
All right. So what would you give this show
36:34
out of five Soju bottles? I'd give it to fall for Soju
36:38
bottle. Yes.
36:40
Okay. Like I said I really enjoyed it
36:43
and the ride was a wild ride. So it was wild.
36:47
It is why I will love her the show like this.
36:53
Okay, I think I would give this show three and a half soda
36:58
bottles and I'm I'm kind of on the fence.
37:01
I want to go for but I this is not like my favorite Drama by
37:06
any stretch and they were a lot of points again where I was very
37:10
confused. Maybe if I watch it again I
37:18
won't have such a you know, hang up.
37:22
That maybe, maybe if I sit with it longer because I just
37:25
finished it today. I know.
37:27
And yeah, so I'm going to three-and-a-half right now, but
37:30
it's probably going to lean higher than that later.
37:33
Because scores can change people change.
37:35
People we watch things and you're like, wow, why did I hate
37:37
this before? Like I love it.
37:38
It's great or whatever. So yes, it's three and a half,
37:41
but probably in the long run Forrester.
37:44
No, no. But I think it, yes, bad because
37:46
I get it, where people are and I've read a lot of reviews just
37:50
to I thought maybe I am like overhyping or loving this drama
37:55
too much. So what did you go?
37:57
See. But like any popular drama these
38:00
they will have polarized views. People have absolutely hated it
38:04
and call it, like the worst mug, junk or whatever.
38:08
And there is a people like me on the other side of the fence
38:11
who've loved it. If you look, it's not a mug
38:12
Jang. It may have had elements but it
38:15
wasn't amok Chun because really the it was quite intelligent
38:19
writing in terms of the characters and how it all.
38:22
Hold it together. So I don't see why you would
38:26
not. You would be like on the fence
38:28
about this trauma, especially the last, like you said, it got
38:31
complicated if the last two bits.
38:33
Yeah. The so here's why I think people
38:36
are Java writers could have done better is if you are putting at
38:41
the center of the drama of financial crime which is not
38:43
very easy for a lay man to follow, maybe explains a little
38:48
a man may be explaining the workings of it and how these
38:52
These transfers can happen. Etc, would have helped.
38:56
There is a concept of where you talk to the you know, the
38:59
breaking the fourth wall where the characters talk to the he's
39:03
already should break the fourth wall.
39:05
Well I'm saying, I'm not saying that it could have worked.
39:07
I'm just saying that maybe the audience needed a little more
39:10
explanation around what's going on, maybe throw a voiceover or
39:14
something like this. Just trying to get through the
39:17
plot devices of some narration in the background or something
39:20
like that. So maybe that might have I don't
39:22
know. I'm just trying to say from
39:24
induce perspective who was the knife person.
39:27
They're trying to write understand what's going on.
39:30
Maybe I don't know. So, I mean, just to just to kind
39:34
of jump in here with an analogy, the financial crimes and the
39:39
money laundering schemes in the slush fund stuff that's all fine
39:42
in theory because I understand the general concept of what
39:45
these things are. But the show deals exclusively
39:49
with how they get from point. A to point.
39:52
Point Z, and all of the inner workings of such a, an
39:57
operation. And what exactly are these
40:00
people doing in their day-to-day jobs for all of these slush
40:04
funds in the money laundering and stuff?
40:07
And to me, money laundering is again to like an abstract
40:09
concept. Like how do you get to me?
40:12
You're talking about, you know, astronauts getting to space.
40:15
I understand, they have to get this big.
40:17
Yeah. They get in the spaceship and
40:18
they get to space fine. But if you're talking about how
40:22
Exactly. They are pushing buttons here.
40:25
How exactly they're training for such a thing?
40:27
How did they get the job? If there's connections involved,
40:31
all of that from that to take off, you know, that's a mystery
40:36
to me. So that's why I'm saying it in
40:39
theory. I understand what these people
40:41
are doing and what this topic of the show is about what the crime
40:46
is. But you know, I don't know how
40:48
the astronauts specifically get to space so stop Of a lot of
40:52
stuff and what they're dealing with.
40:54
So that's why I say maybe if I watched it a second time, I'd
40:58
get a little more out of it and probably like I do, I do feel
41:03
for the audience where I felt that that was kept a bit cryptic
41:07
and normally explained and like I said those who are from the
41:12
financial industry will also find the plot holes and think.
41:15
Hang on. This is no matter your.
41:19
Yeah, I would love to talk to you.
41:22
Dad actually because my dad has been a banker for his whole
41:25
career and he's worked in fraud. Yeah, for sure.
41:29
So to be back to here. So I should totally talk to him
41:31
about the money laundering and the slush funds and what the
41:34
banks would do, what kind of, you know, security measures they
41:37
have because you're right towards the end of the show
41:40
students. Shouldn't some of these Banks be
41:41
questioning like why these people are still handling this.
41:44
But these vast sums of money on this huge freely.
41:47
It's it's not small deposits. This is huge, huge man.
41:52
Honey, we're talking about, okay, and you have to look at
41:56
their credit worthiness or what I really am going to technical
42:00
but you have to look at their occupation and more deferential
42:04
standing is. I don't know why that money is
42:06
coming through. So yes, I have, I had my
42:10
grievance, but I like I said, I let go.
42:12
So, okay, it's television, it's okay, it's television.
42:16
All right. On that note, we're going to get
42:17
into spoilers right after this. You want to come in?
42:28
All right, we're on the other side of spoiler.
42:30
So me now, I don't know where you would like to start, but you
42:32
did mention that you had a couple of qualms having to do
42:36
with the suicide and the alcoholism that Warren
42:40
necessarily rounded out in the plot in a satisfactory Manner
42:44
and that kind of felt irresponsible to you and that
42:46
was a complaint that you had about the show.
42:49
Did you want to talk about that in more detail right now?
42:52
Sure. So this is a big spoiler.
42:54
Hits you in the it kicked me, at least I was not expecting this,
42:58
we're in kyung is shown to be alcoholic, and she's actually
43:03
drinking alcohol in the seahorse, the pig mouthwash.
43:07
And then it's revealed that it was, tequila alcohol.
43:10
And she's doing, I'm sorry. But I have to jump in here
43:14
because go on. This, was that like, this was
43:16
like episode 1. What?
43:17
Where she's shown on the job, she's a journalist.
43:20
She's on the on, call all the time.
43:23
And she keeps chugging like this mouthwash like swishing around
43:27
the mouthwash in her mouth and then swallowing the mouthwash
43:29
and I had such an issue in my head.
43:31
I was like, why does she keep swallowing the mouthwash?
43:33
Is there a mouthwash and Korea that you can just swallow
43:36
afterwards? It toxic to you and then when
43:39
they reveal that, she's an alcoholic and that she hadn't
43:42
bottles of tequila hit on her desk Wookie and she's Kela in
43:47
your office. It's the bottles of tequila and
43:50
at their place of business at work.
43:52
It's like this. I was like, that's just begging
43:54
for issues. So anyway, she was very stupid
43:57
about it in that respect. Okay, supid.
44:01
So Shaq on in all of those bottles to the office, like I
44:05
was very and then, of course, I was very taken aback, I did not
44:10
see it coming, maybe she was an alcoholic, and I thought I was
44:13
the stupidest person on Earth because looking back, of course,
44:18
she was an alcoholic like looking back at all those times
44:21
that she was swishing. Around the alcohol.
44:23
And then swallowing it, I was like, of course, she's a
44:26
freaking alcoholic, and that's straight out, got Straight.
44:29
Tequila in the mouthwash. I felt like an idiot.
44:34
I have the same feeling I did not see this coming.
44:38
Why did I not see? And they actually did a product
44:41
placement with the mouthwash. I actually wanted to Google and
44:46
check and you swallow, this mouthwash.
44:48
What is this product that? Yeah, right talking about.
44:52
Showing us. Are you kidding me?
44:55
She. Oh, tell me something.
44:57
Who keeps six bottles of tequila?
44:59
I just couldn't get over that. See that like being worked on, I
45:04
thought it was the bottom drawer like where you keep your folders
45:07
you know like up right? Yeah.
45:10
I'm little glaze Aquila bottles. I got one fathom.
45:13
No one like a bunch like a bunch like half a dozen bottles.
45:17
Sitting in your desk. Are you kidding me and yeah, I
45:20
used television. Nobody surprising.
45:22
Open the door, bring in the alcohol.
45:25
It was so many questions. So varies, so just inconsistent.
45:30
But anyway, and I thought that they would bring that plot and
45:33
because she gets, you know, she loses her job.
45:35
She gets suspended. Then she yeah fired.
45:38
Then her aunt is telling her oh oh, I used to drink when I would
45:42
go for work. Why is it such an issue?
45:44
I'm like, are we seriously having this conversation?
45:46
But she, and then it was worse for the for her because she was
45:49
a nurse exactly. She was working in the medical
45:52
field. Don't field and you're telling
45:54
me she was drinking on the but job as long as you got her job
45:56
done. Yeah it wasn't causing any
45:58
issues then she could just drink on the job.
46:00
I was like I look was getting like hot.
46:03
You know what I'm saying? Exactly really upsets you you
46:06
like pasta. Are you seriously having this
46:09
conversation? And it's the great and actually
46:12
not thinking that alcoholism her nieces great-nieces.
46:16
Alcoholism is not that severe is just what everybody does.
46:20
Are you seriously having this conversation?
46:21
So That kind of put me off a bit.
46:25
And what I did, I thought because the credits, I love the
46:30
credits. By the way, the whole art, and
46:32
the graphic. And okay, there are a lot of
46:35
clues in the credits also at the end, which is like a last supper
46:38
with the frames, are all the clues of the drama's come
46:40
together in that but incomes character is shown, like,
46:44
sipping this whole Chalice of alcohol and then she puts it on
46:48
her head. So I thought that's a big plot
46:50
device, which is going to hamper or Impact her story in the
46:55
episodes, but we don't see anybody talk about it ever.
46:59
Again, after the first driver. So saw three episodes, then
47:04
she's afterwards going out with her friend and drinking no
47:08
rehab. Nothing, there is, there's
47:11
nothing. There's you're right.
47:13
There's no active way. We don't trade that she is
47:17
trying to kick the alcoholism. Exactly her addiction and she
47:22
Let's make a point at some point of saying, you know, I'm going
47:25
to get clean or whatever. I'm going to stop drinking
47:28
alcohol and you never see her struggle with that throughout
47:33
the rest of the show. It's like it likes to stops cold
47:36
turkey and she never thinks about alcohol over against the
47:38
rest of the show. Addiction of any kind will have
47:42
huge withdrawal symptoms, there will be huge withdrawal and you
47:46
have to go into rehab if you know you are an alcoholic.
47:50
What are no repercussions or A of that show.
47:53
No it was just brushed away. So my point is don't show it.
47:57
Don't show her as an alcoholic. It wasn't critical to the plot.
48:00
Was it other than her getting fired from the job?
48:03
So what I have but I would rather her just get fired
48:06
because she drank one day on the job or just had a bad day or
48:10
something. Versus she was systemically
48:13
drinking alcohol every day with the freaking Tequila bottles in
48:16
her desk, in the whole thing that we have issues with.
48:18
Yes you know that is a different story than like she gets.
48:22
She has one bad day, it's a bad Optics and she gets suspended
48:27
and then fired later because of other reasons, other
48:30
machinations but II agree with you, completely the suicide
48:36
stuff, I don't know, like every character seems to have a brush
48:39
with suicide or was it just the cult members of this society
48:45
that were demanding suicide of their members?
48:49
Whenever things got dicey for them?
48:51
Yeah, so I think the cult. So there was, this is where a
48:55
lot of people wanted more explanation on the jaw Grant
48:58
society and the modus operandi of the society.
49:01
What I drew a At the end of the twelfth episode is, they didn't
49:05
want to go deep into it. They just wanted to establish
49:08
the concept of what cult and brainwashing can do to people.
49:13
And these people are either in a desperate situation, in debt, or
49:18
they are weak. Or they are the most least
49:22
powerful in the society where they probably have no agency and
49:25
they're going to get dragged into it.
49:27
I think the society was targeting people who could work
49:31
as the Morris and promised them or them or their family members,
49:37
a better future in return for their lives.
49:39
I think that was the ideology that was being driven down.
49:43
You absolutely brought up a great point that they the Top
49:49
members of this Jeong dong Society were not just targeting
49:54
the sisters, they were targeted. Even the people within their own
49:58
members ship were also victims, like they were all. also being
50:04
manipulated on a gigantic level, they were you know,
50:09
indoctrinating children because they had like the school
50:12
scholarship system, then they would that they were constantly
50:16
recruiting vulnerable people and the old clip of the general
50:21
talking about like the farmers and the teachers and whatever
50:24
else and he was naming poor people like people who were not
50:30
in you know, middle class herb of these were the Bottom Rung of
50:33
society and, you know, it was kind of empowering for them when
50:38
they joined the the Jung society, and they became part of
50:41
the international Orchid, it Society Club thing and I
50:46
finished the show without ever having thought of the word cult,
50:50
when you started talking about cold, I was like of course it's
50:52
a freaking cold. Like that makes perfect sense
50:56
that these people have, you know, brainwashed all of these
51:02
you know lower Evil individuals, quote-unquote to do their
51:05
bidding and kill themselves, or kill their family or just
51:08
sacrifice whatever they need to, and it really rocks to you, kind
51:13
of towards the end when things start to spiral even more.
51:16
And you see the depths of the society and how many people are
51:20
involved in it, and just, I've been in India.
51:25
It's so common with these God men and these followings and
51:30
certain sex, Etc. There is So much of this Cults
51:34
happening and people. Blind faith is dangerous.
51:38
Suggest many aspects. It's very dangerous because you
51:42
stop rationalizing. And you stop thinking for
51:45
yourself. You are letting somebody else do
51:48
the thinking for you and then you are just doing their
51:50
bidding. And this is very dangerous, and
51:53
brainwashing is very, very, it happens all the time we see it,
51:58
be it religious or be it on any level, it happens all the time.
52:02
So yeah. This, I think this part aspect
52:06
of what Little Women brought out, a lot of people missed.
52:09
I feel personally, but this was a big aspect where, I mean, I
52:12
miss them because I never connected.
52:14
Cult-like you like the cult aspect of the group to the the
52:20
society and everything that they were doing because it's fits to
52:23
a see, I don't know much of the Vietnam War history because
52:26
there was a bit of a backlash in Vietnam as to how the Koreans
52:32
roll. The war was shown and you know
52:35
where the general comes from, but it was that the Korean
52:38
soldiers went as mercenaries, okay?
52:41
To help the Americans and the way it is shown in Little Women
52:44
is both the government and CIA thought they were dispensable.
52:49
So they sent them on a mission which they would have never come
52:52
back alive from. So they went through that
52:55
feeling of Abandonment by the government.
52:57
Now, of course I don't know the history of it so I'm not in a
53:01
position to comment on it but what Soon as a theme was when
53:05
you are abandoned, then they decided to get their Revenge was
53:10
to go on the country and all the pillars of the society, what
53:16
politics medical. So why were they grooming the
53:18
children? So they can install them in
53:21
different aspects of the society in medicine.
53:24
And what runs the country, right?
53:25
Media, that was a big one because big one.
53:28
Marty was a big character, right?
53:30
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then how you manipulate.
53:33
I think in construction and infrastructure.
53:35
That's why the miners the real estate mom has the realistic.
53:39
They have sat back and gained control and are treating
53:43
everybody like puppets, that's what was happening.
53:47
And obviously, that's why people felt that they would have liked
53:49
a little more explanation on the ground Society, but it didn't
53:52
take away anything. From me, from the drama, I
53:54
understood, it's more of symbolism and for people to left
53:57
it open to people for interpretation.
53:59
That, that was mighty coffee. So there, but unless you side B
54:02
by The way coming to the fact that why why young went to a
54:08
Seaside website and thought it was okay, for somebody who
54:12
wanted to commit, suicide to groom her to look like her,
54:16
leave Arena apartment and go decide to live her life and get
54:20
on with her agenda. She needs to pay for it.
54:25
She's paying for the embezzlement but nobody brought
54:31
up the issue that she To pay for recruiting that person.
54:35
And putting that person. How can you do this?
54:38
Every bodily? It is so problematic to me.
54:43
So, why on was the character? That was kind of a MacGuffin
54:47
throughout throughout the show where she was like, is she
54:50
alive, or is she dead? Not flashy integral to
54:52
everything. She's kind of been The
54:53
Mastermind, you know, one woman show for a lot of the Havoc that
54:59
she caused the society and the upper members.
55:03
And she comes back at the end of the show.
55:05
Yes, got it, whatever brand Resurrection.
55:07
In kdramas in mock Jong Style, we have her a dead character,
55:12
come back to life, and she was never dead to begin with.
55:16
Yeah. And yeah, there is that like
55:19
kind of gloss over aspect that. I think she recruited some
55:23
suicidal person to pose as her. And that is the body that they
55:27
find in the, in her apartment and the assume is her.
55:31
And I Um, I'm not sure if I like necessarily latched onto it the
55:36
way that you did, but it did it's a loose end because they
55:39
don't necessarily that she say, that, that's what she's
55:42
imprisoned for because I, because the embezzlement is so
55:45
much more present in the show than anything else.
55:50
And like this issue of like, what well whose body is, this
55:53
doesn't really matter in the context of the show and you're
55:56
absolutely right. That that is kind of a major
55:59
issue that helping don't fall, they just don't cover Yeah,
56:03
nope, there were no answers, no questions and I'm like, why
56:07
would you bring this worst? You could have shown, she gets,
56:10
hold of a dead body. She bribed somebody in the
56:12
Morgan gets a dead body, looks like her and puts up the dead
56:15
body something. But then they had to show,
56:17
Sangha, come and kill her. So the it was so staged.
56:21
I was like, okay, this is not sitting right this whole concept
56:25
of you know this getting somebody suicidal and having
56:28
them murdered is just didn't sit right with me to be very honest.
56:32
So yeah. Yeah that that left me because
56:34
their identity and what they're struggling with is not even
56:40
relevant. You know what I'm saying?
56:41
They're faceless exactly. So yes it just feels like a
56:46
device in the plot versus an actual, you know, semi
56:51
responsible way to deal with even if it is a random
56:55
character, we never find out their name.
56:56
Never find out what they really look like whatever.
56:59
But this you know she should feel maybe remorse.
57:03
Yes, or guilt for having done this?
57:05
Yeah, something to this. Poor vulnerable person who
57:07
wanted to commit suicide. So like, I understand where
57:10
you're coming from completely those, those two aspects,
57:12
really, I think they should have done better or not even include
57:16
additional figured some other way to you know get the song
57:19
thing. Hi.
57:21
Yeah. Yeah, that's what.
57:23
But I think you touched on Sangha though and I what an
57:28
interesting chaotic character and I If I had guests anything
57:35
in the course of binging the show.
57:38
It was that she was the ultimate villain.
57:40
Yes. Throughout the show and there
57:43
was something like just like how the sister was like there's
57:46
something up with this guy there's something up with Json.
57:50
Yeah I don't like his look he looks super Shady.
57:54
He's definitely like a cold-blooded killer and nobody
57:57
was was behind her. Everyone was questioning her.
58:00
You know the friend as well was Like, how do you see this from
58:04
this one video that was me with Tsongas.
58:07
Yes, on those character because they put her on the screen and
58:11
I'm like, she's playing a victim.
58:14
Yeah. And but he is totally off.
58:17
And that is what happened and it happened in Spades.
58:22
Did she go fucking nuts and Crazy by the end?
58:25
And she like, there's so many things that I like have to get
58:30
off my mind. This necessarily, I don't know,
58:32
like, where to start. But you know, she was a mother.
58:36
Yeah, to this poor girl healed in Russia, hyped up on drugs was
58:40
medicating. Probably with God just packed
58:44
impunity. What the hell was she giving her
58:47
daughter day in and day out? So she was doing that, and she
58:51
was also manipulating to know. It's actually probably more
58:54
often than not her husband, Jay Seung Jo and was playing out
59:00
this elaborate play. A so theatrical and torturing
59:06
people just for her own enjoyment.
59:10
This isn't for Fun For All segments, what dick she was she
59:14
was really crazy. I have not seen a crazier
59:17
Villain Like Her honestly. Mmm, she just went off the rails
59:22
completely. I mean she actually admits right
59:25
to principal Jung the second-in-command of the general
59:29
when they are in the hospital that my husband will we The pros
59:33
and cons before murdering people.
59:36
I will just go for it. I should have been the natural
59:38
leader for you guys. Like this woman is totally on
59:42
drugs, from its heart. It's hard because she was hidden
59:47
her like, her motivations and her like craziness was hidden
59:50
throughout most of the show. Of course, I'm sitting here
59:53
tooting, my own horn saying, I think saw something wrong with
59:55
her the whole time, but what is Little Women, the show trying to
59:59
say about, Female pleasure because the only person in the
1:00:06
entire show who is enjoying themselves doing whatever the
1:00:11
hell they're is that is they're doing is literally only her.
1:00:15
She's the only person taking pleasure in controlling and
1:00:19
manipulating others. Everyone else is just kind of
1:00:21
like going through the motions whether they're defending
1:00:23
themselves or their offending others, they're doing it because
1:00:26
of their own agenda, but they're not necessarily reveling no in
1:00:31
the pain. Of others but she is so like
1:00:35
what the hell is that message? I feel like that's a whole like
1:00:39
a say that we could have on the side.
1:00:43
What is little women trying to say about mothers?
1:00:45
Because the point of not the point but the show makes a point
1:00:49
of basically focusing. Only on the mothers there are a
1:00:53
couple of Father figures especially jae-sang is like the
1:00:56
major father figure that they show they show.
1:00:59
Is it the general? I think who's in comatose Yes,
1:01:02
yes, it's all follows. Okay, her father that would hurt
1:01:08
him, but he's comatose. So very few father figures,
1:01:11
plenty of mother figures. And every mother has an issue is
1:01:17
not suitable to be a mother. And, you know, even though
1:01:22
they're the Json, is there as the, like, the one lone.
1:01:24
Father Figure, he has very few Redemptive qualities and I think
1:01:30
we are June's dad. It is also shown as well.
1:01:33
He's like the insole guy with all the weapons.
1:01:35
Yes. So he actually is the traitor.
1:01:37
He was the core team of geographic Society, but he
1:01:40
realizes that as soon as Json takes over and the CEO, he's
1:01:46
very loyal to the Sun. The CEO.
1:01:47
Who is put into an asylum? The general Sun Tsongas Brother
1:01:52
song. Woo.
1:01:53
Yeah and the the director is the Sony though, his father is very
1:01:59
loyal to them, and that's why he goes Rogue.
1:02:01
On them because he wants to expose them and he wants to put
1:02:04
a full stop to this entire society and cult.
1:02:07
That's, that's what his plan is. So but, you know, they also he
1:02:12
gets arrested and we don't know what happens either.
1:02:14
Yeah, we don't know what the hell happens to the dad after
1:02:16
they arrest him for the weapons on a weapons charge.
1:02:19
But I mean since episode one, they have struck the writers and
1:02:23
showrunners have strong appearing opinions about the
1:02:25
mothers. Yeah, someone says some people
1:02:29
should never become mothers. Sadly, our mother is one of
1:02:31
them. Um, in kyung and and you say it
1:02:34
too. And he, I mean cheetah runs
1:02:36
every, with her daughter's. The daughter's birthday money
1:02:39
gave. I just couldn't fathom this.
1:02:42
I was like, oh my gosh, I had in all caps.
1:02:45
Fuck that Mom in my nose. What the first?
1:02:51
20 minutes of the episode 1? This happens and she goes, are
1:02:55
you are young, you will have many more opportunities.
1:02:58
What the hell? You bitch?
1:02:59
Mom takes away. Her daughter smile.
1:03:01
Like I was absolutely stunned. Yeah, that we're kind of
1:03:06
starting off on this foot that the mother.
1:03:10
It's traditionally a pillar of family, a pillar of stability,
1:03:14
especially in kdramas. And like, every mother figure is
1:03:17
fucking nuts. In the show, cannot be counted
1:03:22
on for one single thing. There are murderous murderous
1:03:25
insane people yes, or their amenable thieves.
1:03:31
The kids, that's what they do. Yeah.
1:03:33
Yeah. And I do, you do, you realize
1:03:35
even when she keeps obsessing over your rain?
1:03:38
But when in here and you're in, run away, hmm.
1:03:42
There is no remorse about the fact that her daughter has run
1:03:46
away. The remorse is that I may have
1:03:48
lost to these two to a name. I may have lost the plot.
1:03:52
Okay, it's not about my daughters gone away from me.
1:03:56
No, no, no. She doesn't.
1:03:58
She doesn't care about her well-being at all Dawn.
1:04:01
Not at all, not at all. It's ugly.
1:04:03
It's just ugly and very ugly. It's very ugly.
1:04:06
And my next question, talking about how, like, the tragic
1:04:10
portrayal of mothers in the show is, is why did they choose the
1:04:14
story of Little Women to do this adaptation?
1:04:19
I would love to ask you that question.
1:04:20
And I haven't really sat with the question that long, but
1:04:24
here's my two cents from thinking about this question is
1:04:28
that little women is a story of female empowerment, and of, you
1:04:33
know, sisterly bonds and overcoming poverty with just joy
1:04:40
and the love between sisters between family and friends.
1:04:46
And it is a story of the Our neighbor.
1:04:49
Right? Who's Lori and his grandfather?
1:04:52
Who are extravagantly? Rich rich.
1:04:54
Yeah. And their next door.
1:04:56
Neighbors. Who are extravagantly poor
1:04:59
coming together and finding commonalities and hanging out
1:05:03
together and comforting each other during this time.
1:05:06
Because the father again is absent.
1:05:09
Yeah. Because he's at the water,
1:05:10
right? He's like that these in the war.
1:05:12
Yeah. He's fighting in the Civil War.
1:05:14
On the good side of, so speak. Use a northern Soldier and that
1:05:19
is turned completely on its head completely in this story, right?
1:05:25
Yeah, you have terrible fathers, you have shitty mothers, the
1:05:31
bridge and the poor are not singing Kumbaya together and
1:05:34
having family dinners together. No one's giving each other, you
1:05:37
know, Pat's on the back for giving away their their
1:05:41
Christmas breakfast and things like that.
1:05:44
Beth never receives a piano that sister actually died way earlier
1:05:48
in there in the family history. I mean, it is just horrific.
1:05:54
Yes. And I think they chose that
1:05:57
story on purpose because it is beloved and you can see the
1:06:00
characterizations ever. So slightly in these sisters,
1:06:05
you know, you have the bookish sister that's Joe and you have
1:06:08
the of the eldest, who's looking out from the Waters of Life, who
1:06:11
wants to buy wants a good life, who wants money is and That's
1:06:14
Meg. Yeah, they're there in spirit
1:06:20
but the spirit of the book was bastardized in this adaptation
1:06:28
truly and it is kind of I don't know what they're trying to set.
1:06:31
Like what what do you think about?
1:06:34
So the choosing of Little Women. Yes.
1:06:36
So this is why I think a lot of people also don't like the drama
1:06:40
because they wanted to just see the adaptation of Little Women.
1:06:45
She just dawned on its head and she's like, look, I'm going to
1:06:48
set it in modern. I have not read her interview or
1:06:50
what her thoughts were to be very honest, is just my own.
1:06:53
How I saw the drama, you know what?
1:06:55
Let's pause here and say, yeah, it doesn't matter what they say
1:06:57
in interviews. Truly, this is Art and I open
1:07:02
its art and I can interpret it. However, we want.
1:07:04
And you know what? If we interviewed them and our
1:07:08
interpretation is completely different from what they had in
1:07:10
mind, I'm sure they would be completely okay with it.
1:07:12
Yes, possibly. So yeah.
1:07:14
You go. So I think she wanted to address
1:07:17
the like I said a very very first half the modern-day theme
1:07:20
set in Korea and how capitalism impacts the common man.
1:07:27
I think that's what they brought it to bring.
1:07:30
And the class difference. We do say now, people are more
1:07:34
empowered, people have more opportunities, but I also feel
1:07:36
that capitalism drives a huge class drift as well.
1:07:40
And that's a fact of Our Lives, okay, there's nothing right or
1:07:43
wrong, but This is a consequence of what is happening in the
1:07:48
society and power, corrupts greed, kurup's money columns.
1:07:55
I think that's what she wanted to bring those themes in, but
1:07:59
how do you pull the hook on the audience is get them to from a
1:08:05
classic? Popular novel.
1:08:09
And let me throw the modern day problems in your face from all
1:08:14
sides, where there's another thing L, happy character and let
1:08:17
me know what you think about it. That's what they played at,
1:08:20
that's what they played. I I like what they did and I
1:08:25
also don't like what they did. You can always argue, you know,
1:08:28
when people, there's so many people out there who hate film
1:08:34
or TV adaptations of literary works for A reason because o it
1:08:38
doesn't follow the original. Oh they cast someone who looks
1:08:40
different from the book, whatever, whatever murmur.
1:08:44
And to me, I'm not never one of those people who really gets
1:08:48
upset when they change things from the book and that, you
1:08:52
know, the movies, vastly different or whatever.
1:08:54
Because again, it's art and it's an interpretation.
1:08:57
And it's, you know, even if the characters have the same names
1:09:01
and go through the same things, you can make changes like,
1:09:04
that's their prerogative. And you will always have have
1:09:07
the book there to Be steady and sure and have give you that
1:09:12
comfort that you wish for whenever or that you have
1:09:15
whenever you read the book, good idea people want like a 14-1 all
1:09:18
the time. This went beyond not doing a
1:09:22
14-1 into like the soul of the book was United, shredded
1:09:29
tarnished and I think that should probably disturb people
1:09:35
more than hey, they didn't give back You know Beth a piano or
1:09:39
hey they didn't they didn't set this in and civil war-era
1:09:43
America, you know, that they didn't have a marriage at the
1:09:47
end or whatever. They didn't have the great, Joe
1:09:52
and Laurie confession, that is very popular.
1:09:56
And in all the adaptations, they didn't have any of that.
1:09:59
They did away like the favorite site off.
1:10:02
Yeah but Jess they did to get you a lot it.
1:10:05
Together at the end. Maybe you dr.
1:10:06
Gibson Segue from all the heavy talk they actually got Lori and
1:10:14
Joe. Those characters together.
1:10:17
Exactly. And inkyung was, you know,
1:10:21
spouting the same thing as her book counterpart saying like you
1:10:24
know, we're not good together. We're just very comfortable with
1:10:28
each other. We don't need to be romantic
1:10:30
Partners. You don't excite me and all this
1:10:32
stuff. Fine.
1:10:33
Fine, fine. So I was like, okay, her
1:10:35
archetype is the same Ben The like the also like to get is the
1:10:40
last episode lost if she actually gets with the Catholic
1:10:44
Glory character. Yeah.
1:10:46
Who is played by Kang moon and the character's name is Hidalgo
1:10:50
and that guy like actually gets the girl and I was so surprised
1:10:55
yeah me too. All the changes that was the one
1:10:58
that really surprised But I'll be honest, I did go expecting
1:11:04
that she would stay true to the book at all.
1:11:08
I actually wanted to see how she's going to alter it to
1:11:11
modern-day Korea. I want to see, I wasn't even
1:11:14
sure if it was set in the modern day.
1:11:16
Corey, how she was going to go a little historic?
1:11:18
I don't know. Suddenly when the Japanese were
1:11:21
younger, when Korea was under Japanese Colonial, with our
1:11:23
colonial rule, I didn't know, but when I saw the first episode
1:11:27
because I wash it with such an open mind, I said this is going
1:11:30
to be wild. Up for it.
1:11:32
Yes, I'm up for it. Let's go along with this.
1:11:35
Let's go. So I didn't I didn't really care
1:11:38
about the book as much. It was okay for me, but also
1:11:41
it's not a favorite of mine. I read it.
1:11:43
Like I said, I got it as a classic must read that you have
1:11:46
in school. Yeah.
1:11:47
I mean, I have a really stinky old copy in my library that I
1:11:52
have not read since I was a child and it's there but
1:11:56
nothing. I am gonna read it exactly.
1:11:58
Um, I think that, That you touched on capitalism which is a
1:12:03
huge theme or almost like a secondary antagonist is in this
1:12:09
story, is how capitalism corrupts those around it?
1:12:13
And I almost don't want to just say, like, capitalism, because I
1:12:17
am. I love capitalism, like I love,
1:12:19
isn't who'd? Yeah, it's fine.
1:12:21
It's I think we're dealing. Yeah, we're dealing with
1:12:25
extremes, right? We're dealing with extremes of
1:12:29
capitalism and money. And at first, we have some come,
1:12:34
I think we have competing ideologies surrounding money, to
1:12:38
be quite honest with you, especially, you know, we have
1:12:42
quotes from cyst, the sister saying people may lie, but money
1:12:46
is honest and a lot of people will comment.
1:12:49
Come at this and say maybe that money is not itself evil, but it
1:12:54
can corrupt people and it can cause issues and all this stuff
1:12:58
because right? Like you know, money itself is
1:13:01
not evil. Correct.
1:13:02
And they do kind of touch on that in the final episode
1:13:05
because is money evil, not necessarily because it provides
1:13:09
the sisters with freedom and agency to do as they pleased to
1:13:13
finally, live the life that they want.
1:13:16
Yeah. Right.
1:13:17
I'm the also need money. Just yes.
1:13:20
Are you telling me that this idealistic notion that?
1:13:23
Oh, you can be more happy without money?
1:13:26
No, we need money. We may need to make sure we are
1:13:30
not greedy enough. To ruin our happiness.
1:13:33
Because in our quest for money, we need enough to be happy but
1:13:38
you cannot do without money. We won't be leading.
1:13:41
We can't live without money. It's a fight.
1:13:43
Exactly. Exactly.
1:13:44
And the obsession with money in this show is not necessarily
1:13:50
just to have money. It's a form of social control,
1:13:55
which is what the society was going for.
1:13:58
Was all of this wealth was not necessarily for their All
1:14:03
pleasure, which is what I said earlier.
1:14:04
Like, there's very little pleasure of these characters.
1:14:07
Even though they are immensely Rich, they're gaining pleasure
1:14:10
from other, like the application of money and the using it to
1:14:14
torture. Best those less fortunate and
1:14:16
the sisters especially exactly but they are controlling
1:14:21
Society. They're controlling the media.
1:14:22
They're controlling all of these different the real estate market
1:14:26
and things like that. They have had a major hand in
1:14:29
shaping Korea as As it stands today.
1:14:33
Well, in the context of the show I should say, but yes, it it
1:14:37
really kind of makes you think and I think that's the point is
1:14:42
to make you think make you question and it does feel like
1:14:47
Annex just as much as the psycho mom.
1:14:51
Sangha is experimenting on the sisters, especially Tim Gunn's
1:14:58
character. She's also kind of initiating.
1:15:02
An experiment on the audience as well.
1:15:05
It's not just the sisters psyche that she's messing with.
1:15:07
She's messing with our own, our own audiences psyche.
1:15:10
Yeah. Yeah.
1:15:12
Absolutely. So like you said, write it there
1:15:17
was even better in Jus when she income doesn't.
1:15:20
Remember the third sister's death as a child because she was
1:15:24
too small or the also trauma can wipe off your memory or block
1:15:27
your memory. Yes.
1:15:29
Okay. So that's what happened with in
1:15:31
kyung. So when In Jude tells her, and
1:15:33
this is this what I said to force a generational trauma in.
1:15:37
He paints a picture of a girl dying in the woods and she says,
1:15:40
it's my dying sister and in he hasn't ever known because she
1:15:44
was born after in see on in Xi'an is the is Beth basically
1:15:48
who dies in because they can give a treatment on time and
1:15:53
then we come to know that her mom had briefly once mentioned
1:15:56
called in. Hey, in see on and briefly
1:15:58
mentioned that I carried my child on my shoulders and my I
1:16:01
couldn't Treatment for my child. So it's in in his conscience
1:16:05
Consciousness also that she was an unwanted child that her
1:16:08
mother didn't want her. That's an awful feeling to grow
1:16:11
up. And so, while not the first six
1:16:13
episodes people are hating on inhibit time.
1:16:15
She such a selfish Carol. Yes.
1:16:17
Why she there in the drama but come on.
1:16:21
I saw some of that heat as well. Come on, think of it.
1:16:23
Imagine you grow up with the feeling that you were never
1:16:25
wanted in the family and now your two sisters are going out
1:16:28
of their waves, the themselves being in misery but making sure.
1:16:31
You're happy. It's love becomes an obligation
1:16:35
and it should never become like that.
1:16:37
So any has that whole lot of trauma internally?
1:16:42
She's feet trying to face and what she wants is she wants
1:16:45
Liberation from all of this freedom from all fit, where she
1:16:48
can just live her life and be happy with her sisters.
1:16:52
Without this exchange or burden of how much my sisters are doing
1:16:55
for me and it's variation culture.
1:16:57
All right? How much our parents have done
1:16:59
for you. So your parents expect you to
1:17:01
return that I grew up as a child.
1:17:03
How much you do for your siblings sacrifice?
1:17:05
You know, give your youngest the best all these aspects in.
1:17:10
He doesn't want that. He says to include.
1:17:13
I want to be loved for my talents.
1:17:14
That was really frustrating to me, because I come from a vastly
1:17:18
different, you know, family background on my Hispanic and
1:17:22
we're very close knit and I do I think it because I'm also an
1:17:27
elder sister. I felt completely on the side of
1:17:31
in do an during when they're trying to protect her sister and
1:17:34
they're doing their best to like, give her a freakin
1:17:36
birthday cake for her birthday. You know what I'm saying?
1:17:38
They're that. Yes, they are going out of the
1:17:40
way. Yes they are putting themselves
1:17:41
In Harm's Way to protect her and give her whatever she needs but
1:17:47
her saying you know she hates being loved unconditionally.
1:17:52
She thought like I thought that was the most ridiculous thing
1:17:54
I've ever heard because she felt I'd like you said she felt
1:17:58
burdensome for all these reasons she definitely had all of this
1:18:00
trauma that she was dealing. She let had this morose look on
1:18:04
her face. The entire show, good that she
1:18:06
was depressed. She was haunted.
1:18:08
She used her art as an outlet for sure, but I didn't quite gel
1:18:14
with the the fact that she despised their love and
1:18:17
protection and said that you'd rather be loved for her Talent
1:18:20
OR for how useful she can be. Because why does she insist on
1:18:25
gunning for love that accept that exists with conditions?
1:18:28
Good that doesn't make any sense to me.
1:18:31
Me, you know, that was the perspective.
1:18:35
People are like, why be? You know we are just taught to
1:18:38
love people, our family and our siblings unconditionally, right?
1:18:41
There's never a give and take, but she grew up with that burden
1:18:45
and I could. I'm not saying I empathized with
1:18:48
in here a lot, but I could see where she was coming from.
1:18:52
And why she felt that burden all the time because at the end, she
1:18:56
tells in Jus when you know, she distribute the money and income
1:19:01
go live your life. Study what you couldn't because
1:19:03
of our poverty and she doesn't do buy the apartment not for
1:19:07
your sisters, but for yourself. Hmm.
1:19:10
Free yourself from thinking about us live for yourself.
1:19:13
And that was such a sweet message that in Jus realized
1:19:17
that she first. Sometimes there's no harm in
1:19:19
putting yourself above others. It's not that, she loves her
1:19:23
sisters less, or whatever, it's not going to change.
1:19:27
But in in, you can spend the money on apartment and she can
1:19:30
go by how many Ice creams branded ice cream.
1:19:33
She wants or the lip glosses in wants to have because she's
1:19:36
never really lived for herself. So let her live for herself.
1:19:40
So I agree completely, I agree with you completely that the
1:19:43
final scene where the younger sister is, and for some reason
1:19:49
in control of splitting up the money, which I never understood,
1:19:53
which was the by, don't fall, I have no fucking clue why that's
1:19:56
happening in the final episode. Why does the teenager gets a
1:19:59
split up the built? Like what does that A million
1:20:02
dollars. Yeah, with all the players, all
1:20:06
the players that are left. That's another loophole.
1:20:09
Oh, we won't. Yeah, I'm Adrianna.
1:20:12
But anyway, um, she tells me postures, be kind of explaining
1:20:16
everything just will be out of the doors.
1:20:19
I know, I know, but she does give a very nice poetic reason
1:20:24
for the Sisters to do as they please, what they want in their
1:20:28
heart of hearts. And in Jus always wanted to have
1:20:32
a home. That was her goal is to have a
1:20:35
home that she called her own and she had, this really great
1:20:37
moment with the eye. Where the I was like the soul of
1:20:40
the person connects with the soul and the Soul.
1:20:43
Yeah, yeah, she was like, at the apartment accepts.
1:20:46
You then, I have no choice, but to let it and I know it is very
1:20:49
poetic coming from a lady. That seems to only deal in
1:20:52
absolutes and only deal with numbers.
1:20:55
I love the character by the way I'd roll.
1:20:57
Oh yeah, she was fantastic. Yeah, aesthetic.
1:21:00
Really Kick-Ass. I was not happy that she got
1:21:03
bumped off. I'm like, I want here to
1:21:05
actually join hands with the sisters.
1:21:07
Yes. Then Picture because she was The
1:21:09
Insider in the group, yeah, right.
1:21:11
Yeah, I knew it all. So I would have she had all
1:21:14
these documents she was in there since the 70s sheet and
1:21:17
understood the enemy. And I was like, okay, like we
1:21:20
got an ally but, ya know, she fucking dies.
1:21:24
I've always liked ceremony for nothing.
1:21:28
Really. I mean, No, nothing song got
1:21:32
realizes that she could turn on her, which is why she snaps that
1:21:35
off immediately remember Jamie, what I mean is like, you know,
1:21:40
it doesn't. It wasn't as powerful.
1:21:43
Yeah, in the story, as if you study got a, she had joined
1:21:47
hands with her nieces grandnieces and wreak some Havoc
1:21:50
before getting bumped off. I saw one guy I know I was, I
1:21:54
was very upset. I'm Lee.
1:21:55
Why would you kill her? It would have been more fun.
1:21:56
If there was a then it would have been a little more, even
1:21:59
the balance. Would have been even though.
1:22:02
Yes, because you would have had more moments like when they're
1:22:05
about to pay for the younger sister.
1:22:06
Yes! Surgery, and then she comes out
1:22:08
of nowhere. I like that.
1:22:09
That's down the house, a great moment but they didn't get their
1:22:13
way, you know what I'm saying? Didn't get the pr that they
1:22:16
wanted out of this whole situation.
1:22:19
It was, it was a really good moment attention.
1:22:21
Like you didn't expect her to come out of nowhere, like pay
1:22:24
for the surgery but then you're like, of course, I'm makes
1:22:26
perfect sense because that's her niece.
1:22:27
Like why wouldn't why wouldn't any of it?
1:22:31
But moments like that could have happened in the latter half of
1:22:34
the show. But they took her off the plane
1:22:36
board. Yeah, I know.
1:22:38
I know. So I was also a little and a
1:22:39
little. I was quite sad about.
1:22:41
I'm sad about that, but I think we should talk about the main
1:22:44
characters in June. Don't go for it.
1:22:48
Go, I'm going to say this and I know you're a Kim goeun fan, but
1:22:52
I'll tell you, I was very neutral towards, okay, at Cena
1:22:55
and you me, sell cheese in the Trap.
1:22:57
I was watching Goblin on and off.
1:23:00
Drinking problem when little bit started.
1:23:03
Yeah. And I didn't like her at all and
1:23:05
Goblin. I'm like, stop bullying.
1:23:07
You cannot convince me as a high schooler.
1:23:09
Okay. Okay.
1:23:10
I was afraid she was in her twenties.
1:23:13
I was very frustrated, like, Kim tidy and Kim dummy.
1:23:16
Convince me as high school kids, really knocking Goodwin.
1:23:21
Wow, this is not sitting right with me.
1:23:24
Okay, so I wasn't liking Goblin at all and Little Women started.
1:23:30
And Jess at the end of Little Women.
1:23:33
I, I started for Nam Ji-hyun who I loved in the drama, but my
1:23:38
biggest moments, my favorite scenes are all Kim goeun.
1:23:43
I loved her, I loved her as an into her.
1:23:47
She was so naive. So innocent.
1:23:51
I was always frustrated to the point in June.
1:23:53
Yeah, why are you blurting out everything to any stranger?
1:23:56
You meet? Why are you so open with people?
1:23:58
Why don't you have a filter to your mouth?
1:24:00
You're not supposed to tell everybody everything.
1:24:02
Yeah, she was parading the two billion in a backpack and taking
1:24:06
it all over. How is nobody catching around
1:24:09
CCD, when they caught her with the 7ml back at the yoga studio,
1:24:13
in front of the same freaking Locker.
1:24:16
I was like, what she's going about this all wrong.
1:24:20
Like she didn't think this through, no strategy involved,
1:24:22
she was just like the same freaking bag.
1:24:28
I was like I would have gone about this.
1:24:30
Totally differently differently. Exact yeah, I would have taken
1:24:34
the two billion won and we would have you know figured a way out
1:24:37
of get out of the country and just be somewhere else.
1:24:41
Okay? But I also love the fact that
1:24:44
she was, as you said, not financially literate, right?
1:24:47
People manipulated her all the time.
1:24:49
Yes, she had no business right for her, she had the money and
1:24:54
she could have deposited in small amounts in different
1:24:57
banks, whatever and decided to. Go Rogue or get away from it all
1:25:03
but she was so loyal to her friend.
1:25:05
She had no business investigating why young?
1:25:09
Yeah. She was out of her dead husband
1:25:10
before she even started. Exactly.
1:25:13
But I think some there you are. It's a spirit, right?
1:25:17
She may not be capable and she may not see it to the end, but
1:25:21
she was determined to get Justice for her friend and I
1:25:25
loved her protector. She was about her sisters as
1:25:27
well. So within our Ian's, I think
1:25:31
Andrew was fantastic and I think everybody rallied around to help
1:25:34
her at the end. Is because how in do was, as a
1:25:37
character, I will say that in the context of Little Women, the
1:25:41
story Meg is not really, you know, the most compelling
1:25:45
character. I won't say the protagonist of
1:25:47
Little Women is really a joke Joe.
1:25:49
It's always been Joe. Yes always been Joe.
1:25:51
Yeah. And for them to choose Meg's you
1:25:54
know character whatever characterization to be the
1:25:57
vehicle for this show of All the sisters are very important to
1:26:02
the show but really is judicial for me.
1:26:06
Is driving. Yeah, yes, it's her tragedy that
1:26:10
happened to show that unfolds and I think that was done on
1:26:15
purpose. She's the most sympathetic one.
1:26:16
If you throw her into this mess who is going to incite the most
1:26:21
audience, sympathy it, so, it's Meg.
1:26:24
Yeah, yes. So I really love that about her
1:26:29
two things. I have to talk about, you know,
1:26:31
when at the end, the father Doyle's.
1:26:34
Father, she and in you are getting out of the hospital.
1:26:38
And first of all, she's humiliated that they didn't
1:26:41
think it was important to let her in on the plot because yeah,
1:26:43
it hurt to cry. She totally humiliated and
1:26:46
upset, they don't think and it shows on her face, she's so
1:26:50
lovely. And the police come and Doyle
1:26:53
and father, I like quite stoic and in, just, like, hands up.
1:26:56
Hands up. Hands up.
1:27:00
I I love the reaction. So what I was laughing my heart
1:27:04
out the other bit was you know she takes the punches from the
1:27:09
AHA. Yes.
1:27:10
Okay. And it isn't when they are on
1:27:12
the Terrace when in Cuba, I love this part as well.
1:27:15
This is awesome. I know it's where she gets the
1:27:17
five hits back. Yes, I do.
1:27:19
I was so good. Yes.
1:27:23
So satisfying for her to see what she had.
1:27:26
Like a pipe. A lead pestle started whacking
1:27:29
her with it and I Like more more go on over there and go for 20.
1:27:33
Yeah, yeah. So I really like that part 2,
1:27:36
because I felt like she had seized control again, very short
1:27:40
amount of time. Because then stopped again, they
1:27:42
get taken and taken to the basement and stuff - baby.
1:27:46
But I agree with you that Kim gotten was such a great vehicle
1:27:53
for the show. Jess, if she's not nominated for
1:27:57
back. Oh, back.
1:27:58
Sing this year, I'm gonna be honest.
1:28:00
That. Okay.
1:28:01
I really hard and OMG 1 as the villain to me, they'd really
1:28:05
need a nomination. Okay, I can't say she should win
1:28:09
it because I think him, no, Kim Theory, already one, right?
1:28:13
They popped? Yeah, that's him.
1:28:15
Terry already 14. 2014. So I think she's very much in
1:28:18
contention for a boxing. I think true.
1:28:21
True, she was fantastic. You mentioned about just bumming
1:28:26
off with the money and escaping and I think that was enough.
1:28:30
Other topic or theme of the show was especially when the two
1:28:34
girls, the younger sister and her BFF decide to escape to
1:28:40
Japan. As if the situation in Korea is
1:28:42
completely hopeless. You know, those with power and
1:28:46
money just as the show keeps harping on, they control the
1:28:49
narrative. So inkyung the middle sister is
1:28:54
by this point you realize she's only making dense only small
1:28:58
dents in this vast. Like conglomerate of murder and
1:29:03
thievery that's happening and all her best efforts.
1:29:06
Don't do much to quell. The evil of this cult in this
1:29:10
family. So are the only two options to
1:29:15
flee or to join like that's kind of the only two options to show
1:29:22
was like these are valid options because to stay is a futile
1:29:25
effort to stay to enact, Justice to bring them all of Their
1:29:30
misdeeds to light. It's not going to happen.
1:29:32
And truly by the end of the show.
1:29:35
It really doesn't quite happen on the level that you wanted to.
1:29:39
Exactly exactly. Because didn't you think Tsonga?
1:29:43
Had it easy? Yes.
1:29:45
I was. That was literally where I was
1:29:47
heading to Next, was her demise. Yeah.
1:29:51
You know, she never got the Reckoning that you wanted by law
1:29:55
or by the sisters or by any anybody that she hurt.
1:29:59
She literally just Ellen to a pool of hydrochloric acid acid.
1:30:02
And what was that? That was Ott who feels
1:30:05
hydrochloric acid in the pipes. What's going on?
1:30:10
It was, but I had a lot of fun with that scene.
1:30:14
She was like, I'm gonna have this button that's gonna release
1:30:17
all. This hydrochloric acid, is
1:30:18
gonna, that's exciting. I was like, bitch, what are you
1:30:22
doing? Why don't you get hydrochloric
1:30:24
acid like which which Rookie of yours help you fill up?
1:30:30
With all of this, I took lauric acid.
1:30:32
It was, it was very cartoony. Very cool.
1:30:35
Now, this is the kind of plot that like, you know, Batman
1:30:39
villains. Come up.
1:30:40
Yeah, exactly. No, it's not.
1:30:43
I really didn't expect it to go in that direction for the next.
1:30:47
This is the the face face off that you've wanted to see the
1:30:50
whole show. It's like all these women in one
1:30:53
room and it finally happens in. Like what the hell was that?
1:30:58
What even is that? He's a knight comes a victim of
1:31:01
her own elaborate dramatic scheme.
1:31:03
She's all for like the theatrics and it's as much theatrics as it
1:31:09
was, it was very anticlimactic, very anti climatic.
1:31:12
But at the same time, I had very like, I had very contradictory
1:31:17
or opposing feelings. It's like, I cannot handle this
1:31:20
hydrochloric acid, but I'm actually loving the poetic
1:31:23
justice that Sangha is being killed by her own plot device,
1:31:27
which is beautiful to watch. I get that I really do but I
1:31:35
just I just asked her. Just hit me.
1:31:37
I was like, what's going on? It's yeah, it's mainly.
1:31:40
When I went from like being an all like, oh, I'm having a lot
1:31:43
of fun. Now, this is just bordering on
1:31:45
David. He's right.
1:31:47
Yeah, like this somewhere inside.
1:31:49
They had this room with no doors that they the mother.
1:31:55
The mothers. Yes captain.
1:31:57
And then she put the younger sister in and Was like somewhere
1:32:01
inside and in the diorama that she made in art school and
1:32:05
that's good that room and her mother hanging herself.
1:32:08
And so I was like, this is very wild a lot.
1:32:12
Yeah. But have you seen Mouse?
1:32:16
No, I have it. Okay.
1:32:17
Anyway, so the provides is basically they detect if there
1:32:23
are, you can detect if they have in the DNA.
1:32:26
If there's a psychopathic DNA in the fetus, And that's how you
1:32:32
can decide whether what they the the research comes up with this
1:32:36
99%, they will become Psychopaths 1%.
1:32:39
That Gene presence of The Da. A gene will not be.
1:32:43
Any Gene will cause them to become 99% Psychopaths. 1% could
1:32:48
be genius, okay? And there is a trigger.
1:32:51
So, there is a trigger, every psychopath.
1:32:53
There will be some trigger, which will Push them away the
1:32:57
dark cycle. You know, push them over to do
1:33:01
mother for fun or kill for fun, or whatever.
1:33:04
Okay, her mother's death trauma which she cost.
1:33:10
Yeah, yeah. She already must have had she
1:33:14
already must have had Psychopathic Tendencies.
1:33:17
She was already a psychopath because she'll never cited with
1:33:20
her mom. She was like, why isn't she
1:33:22
sticking by me as a mom? But I'm wanting to be in my life
1:33:25
when she got. Why does she have morals?
1:33:28
God ain't gonna choose questioning her mom, because her
1:33:30
mom was upset with all of the crazy Misty's that the dad was
1:33:34
good, General was doing. And like she didn't, she didn't
1:33:39
take the out that she had, which was to beg for forgiveness and
1:33:42
beg for her life. And then she'd be loved back
1:33:44
into the family, and she didn't do that.
1:33:46
She didn't do it, right? So you, you would understand
1:33:49
somebody with the moral compass would have understood the
1:33:52
mother's point of view, but seung-ah was so Chest.
1:33:56
And so Psychopathic in nature that she did.
1:33:59
But then she also loved her mother and she caused the death
1:34:03
of a loved one. That's a double trauma hit to,
1:34:06
right? And then she then no mother made
1:34:09
her staged her death or whatever, so that it looks like
1:34:11
a suicide that's Bonkers for a child.
1:34:15
And that just pushed her off the edge.
1:34:17
So there you have. She was, she was super
1:34:19
theatrical. And with theatrical Ian and even
1:34:23
J song. Actually, if you realized they
1:34:25
had a very, very he was evil and selfish and everything but he
1:34:31
was the only person who loved her.
1:34:33
Yes, truly loved her, that loved her true self eyes.
1:34:36
Yeah, he didn't sacrifice himself for the society.
1:34:39
He sacrificed himself for her for her, cause she if anybody
1:34:43
else had said anything, I don't think he would have done it.
1:34:45
I've done it because she gave him the flower.
1:34:49
He did it, he did it. Yeah, he did it.
1:34:51
I mean, that's what's so crazy way of showing unconditional
1:34:54
love. But yeah, the plot did so that
1:34:57
as well. So they had a very weird
1:35:00
relationship. I was weird at his growing a
1:35:02
beard. So yeah, I think the last
1:35:07
character that I definitely want to talk about is we Edge?
1:35:10
Ins cash. That's what I'm saying.
1:35:12
We have to talk about that because I feel like in consuming
1:35:20
most of the spoiler effect kdrama edits that came out
1:35:24
during little. Woman's are a people Were
1:35:28
latching onto. We had Tunes character and the
1:35:32
romance. Not even tell me.
1:35:35
Okay, and kindergartens character.
1:35:37
And there was when I finally saw it, like, I finally saw the
1:35:41
almighty Little Women show girls like I do like I.
1:35:46
All right, so everyone was talking about like their
1:35:50
chemistry or just the way that they interacted with each other
1:35:54
and I was under the impression that there might have been
1:35:56
Romance. No, no, and no, on all accounts,
1:36:01
people are fucking nuts for it. There they are.
1:36:04
They, I don't understand how you can wash this and think he's in
1:36:09
love with her. Like, I don't think it would
1:36:11
even went that far. No, no, no.
1:36:14
He never acknowledged that. He loved her.
1:36:16
Like, I do, what do you think so many attacks?
1:36:19
I'll be very honest. I love their Dynamic on screen.
1:36:22
I like that. He was such a mysterious
1:36:25
character. Yes, but I'll be honest.
1:36:28
Tons of acting. If you compare an acting
1:36:31
Provost, Kim go Eun was just killing every city and every
1:36:37
moment that my eyes were focused on her large and then capture my
1:36:41
attention as much from an acting perspective.
1:36:45
But I love their scenes together, I love the dynamic.
1:36:48
I loved how he dropped, everything to go help her out.
1:36:54
By the way, another bit he was consistent.
1:36:57
People who are like, oh, you should have got together with
1:36:59
her Yutaka. If we are June character Doyle
1:37:03
whose main aim is money, to make money, and all he has learned is
1:37:07
only to earn money from for whatever hook or by crook right.
1:37:11
If he had dropped, the leader of whatever.
1:37:14
The nominal amount of 10 billion won versus a 70 billion want,
1:37:17
just because he's decided like he's realized he's falling in
1:37:20
love with in do. And you want to spend the rest
1:37:22
of his life with her Etc? Be totally inconsistent.
1:37:25
Yeah, his character don't lean. Assistant.
1:37:28
I love the fact that they let it open and left it open-ended.
1:37:33
They may come and meet each other again coin.
1:37:36
Yeah. And I'm in episode 3.
1:37:38
I have this note here that we had June is such a slippery
1:37:41
character with no moral standard to make him want to investigate
1:37:45
the murders of the slush fund managers.
1:37:47
He only wants to recover the 70 billion.
1:37:49
Why exactly? And when she calls him after the
1:37:53
guy drives his car off the parking garage.
1:37:56
So the first thing he asked is If she's all right, and at the
1:37:58
hospital, he sits beside her and actually I'll talk about that in
1:38:03
a second. But anyway, you're right.
1:38:05
That his characterization is pretty consistent and he's very
1:38:08
all he's ever wanted is to escape with the money and go to
1:38:11
one of these safe cities that has all of these questionable
1:38:15
characters looking at it and that's what he does.
1:38:19
At the end of the show, he takes his ten billion dollars fucks
1:38:22
off to Greece and of course in the future you can write some
1:38:26
sort of narrative where Get together.
1:38:28
But was it like a cut-and-dry thing?
1:38:31
No, no, no. I think the most surprising
1:38:34
thing was that he orchestrated a lot of the backend stuff, get so
1:38:40
that he was free to come into the trial at the end.
1:38:44
Yes. And sing like a canary and
1:38:47
actually tell the truth. And yeah, did you?
1:38:51
Yeah. The embezzlement and the murder
1:38:53
and whatever else they had her going down for.
1:38:56
So I think that was the most surprising thing.
1:38:57
Was that instead of being in that moment, just self-serving
1:39:02
and on the side of the society and all these people, he does
1:39:06
take her side. But of course, he gets something
1:39:08
out of it. Of course, had this whole thing
1:39:10
planned. Yeah, exactly.
1:39:12
I think my okay, go ahead, go nigga.
1:39:14
He was not there for the love of that, he was attracted to her,
1:39:17
he may have been attracted to her, but he was not going to
1:39:20
sacrifice his whole life's achievements or what he's worked
1:39:24
for just because there's this girl who has cropped up a You
1:39:28
know he needs to help her out. He's never do that.
1:39:30
Yeah he started when up way before when the little sister
1:39:34
had escaped with the other girl that was when he put this plan
1:39:37
in motion. So he's just following through.
1:39:40
Exactly. So you know people but actually
1:39:43
so there were a lot of things that you want to lament about.
1:39:46
Like I said, the plot holes, we discussed about a little women
1:39:48
and I thought that when the finale ended I would see the
1:39:51
rants coming through, on 23 of these plot holes, everybody was
1:39:55
it lamenting like the mister Chance At Romance.
1:39:58
I'm like, what romance did you romance drama?
1:40:02
Yes, we are on the same page about that.
1:40:05
If the, if the riding doesn't call for a romance, why you
1:40:08
going to shoehorn, one in there, don't do that.
1:40:11
And people like me, people would love to shoehorn a romance into
1:40:15
this, and they're making their reading too much into some of
1:40:19
these scenes, where I'm like, where are you seeing romance
1:40:21
here? I'm just seeing, you know, mild
1:40:24
attraction and maybe he's entertained by her.
1:40:28
You know, emotions because she's so, you know, over the top and
1:40:32
so getting pulled in 20 different directions.
1:40:36
She doesn't know who to trust and he's very consistent.
1:40:39
He knows exactly who to trust. He doesn't have any of these
1:40:42
issues. She has exactly exactly.
1:40:44
But he's not struggling to do like.
1:40:47
Who am I gonna trust? Who can I turn to where I'm
1:40:49
gonna put this money? He knows exactly where he's
1:40:51
putting the money. He's gonna do, you knows exactly
1:40:53
what he is doing, and he says at the end, like her one crime is
1:40:57
basically Being financially literate and it's actually not a
1:41:00
crime to be financially illiterate, like you're not an
1:41:03
idiot for for falling into this trap.
1:41:06
You know, she just got mad at belated, very easily.
1:41:10
And like I was, I was, I'll always say this, you know,
1:41:13
people how she's dumb, she's this, she's that hang on this.
1:41:16
If you go through a history of financial crimes or you watch
1:41:20
this documentary Dirty Money on Netflix, the smartest or even
1:41:25
inventing an hour, which is a very bad Series in our
1:41:27
community. But you understand the, the
1:41:29
scams that this girl pulled off. Yeah, intelligent bankers,
1:41:33
lawyers, real estate owners. Big wealthy people supposedly
1:41:39
obviously are intelligent, right?
1:41:40
Because they made so much money. All get scammed.
1:41:43
What wasn't you? Hmm.
1:41:45
Yeah, Andrew and a lot of, if you look at money laundering
1:41:49
examples, at a very small scale, lot of desperate.
1:41:53
People get pulled into the money-laundering Scandal.
1:41:56
That's how it works. So, What are y'all ranting
1:41:59
about? Honestly?
1:42:00
So Tony. I think it was justified that
1:42:03
fourth important to just got dumped by a web.
1:42:05
Yeah, she got caught in a web of white-collar crime.
1:42:09
Exactly. And she doesn't come from that
1:42:11
class of people. Know why are you mad?
1:42:14
She got car exactly. What thing?
1:42:16
I feel sympathies fault. Yeah, you should feel terrible
1:42:26
but I did. I was Talking to a couple of
1:42:28
people on Twitter and I said, look I don't get emotionally
1:42:30
attached to many, unlike a Drama characters and I really don't
1:42:34
care what people think about what I love, I yes by, I will
1:42:38
the same in that respect you, but I will defend in Jus if
1:42:43
anybody starting to point fingers at all, but I love her
1:42:45
so much. Yeah, she's pretty precious the
1:42:49
last thing that I'm started talking about it.
1:42:51
And then I stopped myself so that I could finish the thought
1:42:53
of we achieve this character was the topic of identity.
1:42:57
And how towards the end of the show, you finally get these
1:43:01
sisters accepting, who they are, and their identity, and what
1:43:04
they want to strive for, in life and throughout the show, you
1:43:08
know, prior you're talking about how great the cinematography is.
1:43:11
They did massive clues for this, internal struggle and identity
1:43:17
crisis, that each sister goes through by showing the lack of
1:43:21
Reflections. For each of these sisters, and
1:43:24
in various scenes, you'll see this beautiful.
1:43:27
Like what Do or mirror or something?
1:43:30
Where that character, or a couple of other characters are
1:43:34
shown in the shot and specifically, the sister is not
1:43:39
in the reflection and I feel like that is so poetic and
1:43:44
consistent. And we're talking about, we are
1:43:46
June's character trade though, yields consistent nature, how
1:43:51
his characterization wasn't changing necessarily throughout
1:43:54
the length of the show. And in this one scene in episode
1:43:57
3, Three, where they're at the hospital, he's sitting beside in
1:44:01
Jew and the reflection in the window is only of him and not of
1:44:06
her very interesting. And what do you watch this?
1:44:09
And at the end of the show, you see that she's finally in the
1:44:12
apartment that her Aunt gifted her and she has a reflection
1:44:16
finally exited. This is such a brilliant
1:44:19
observation. I didn't realize this, oh, I'm
1:44:22
gonna be watching the scene. Oh my God, you should visit some
1:44:25
seeds and see how they Either they downplay their reflection
1:44:30
or they just don't have it at all.
1:44:32
And then towards the end, you kind of, especially, within
1:44:35
juice character because she was the main protagonist.
1:44:39
I would say of the story. She finally has her moment of
1:44:43
closure and acceptance and you know, just everything that you
1:44:48
want to see in a character for her to finally start over.
1:44:52
In this place in this apartment. And she has, you know, all parts
1:44:56
of herself. So to speak, she has her
1:44:58
reflection with her and it's very fulfilling to me to see
1:45:02
this like full circle. This is such a fantastic
1:45:06
observation, Jess, because that scene of injury, and the
1:45:10
apartment is one of the most poignant scenes for me in this
1:45:14
whole drama because it gives so much closure to enjoy as a
1:45:18
person. And people were like, oh and
1:45:20
Jews left alone. She Ask you this, I said what we
1:45:23
mean. She said no, she said a
1:45:25
fantastic Place. She's in a great place.
1:45:28
She's relieved. She's relieved of the burden of
1:45:31
caring for her sisters. She has no bore issues to think
1:45:36
about. Like I said, she has.
1:45:38
She can do whatever she wants with the money and the apartment
1:45:42
and finally live her life and she's out of poverty.
1:45:46
This is what she wanted. All her life all along.
1:45:49
Yeah, those are not tears of sadness.
1:45:51
Sadness. No, there is nothing to pity
1:45:54
her. You should be proud.
1:45:55
The message that has come out of it that she's gonna live for
1:45:58
herself and I would want every woman to live and put herself
1:46:01
before anyone else. But that's why that's it's a
1:46:05
beautiful scene for me and the way, it's also like I said the
1:46:07
camera work was Exquisite. So I I loved I love that.
1:46:12
You're like, I love it. Yeah, it was amazing.
1:46:16
I mean there's lots of quotes throughout that you can call to
1:46:20
and remember Money is transient. So it makes you anxious, spend
1:46:24
it on things. They can't take away like the
1:46:27
the aunt saying, things like that.
1:46:28
Nothing in life is free people die when they're poor live as a
1:46:32
maid in The Sheldon's house and live like you to in this house
1:46:36
like very poignant lines throughout and it's kind of
1:46:39
endless actually, the amount of I mean, it's that you can pull
1:46:42
out from this, the one-eyed. Really loved is the real Rich
1:46:46
risk their Capital importers their lives.
1:46:49
What, what a statement that was from?
1:46:51
Um, that's a good one. Yes.
1:46:53
One of my favorite favorite quotes, 100%.
1:46:57
Even those the Arts is this, right?
1:47:00
You? The rich can overcome emotions.
1:47:05
Capitalism is a psychological game.
1:47:07
The rich can overcome overcome emotions and induces.
1:47:10
What is that? And she's like a sense of loss,
1:47:12
which can work aren't ever. So loss is big hits.
1:47:16
The poor much more than the rich can draw.
1:47:19
So I've been some of them are really like Said there was a lot
1:47:22
of lot of takeaways from the trauma and I understand if
1:47:27
people hated on it, but I don't think you can miss the messaging
1:47:31
that yes, at us. You're absolutely right that
1:47:35
even if you kind of dislike the way it got to the ending and
1:47:39
some of the plot holes especially if you are a little
1:47:43
more financially literate than I am.
1:47:44
But I think that that's why I can't give it a three-and-a-half
1:47:48
borderline for because it is such a rich text.
1:47:52
You can glean so much from it. It has incredible messaging and
1:47:56
it does such a great job of delivering all of these
1:47:59
messages. Yeah really smart.
1:48:03
Smart scripts smart. Very smart writing and many
1:48:06
thought script. I felt very very good.
1:48:08
Hmm. So okay, I think I've come to
1:48:10
the end of my notes. Did you have anything that you
1:48:12
wanted to do the song Joong Ki Cameo as the quite?
1:48:16
Yeah. When I saw him he was like that
1:48:22
can't be. Do you like song Joong Ki or
1:48:25
not? That's the first question.
1:48:27
I like some junkie. I really love song turkey to.
1:48:30
I know when I saw him I was like they made him a luxury Sue shoe
1:48:35
soon. Yeah, I could've been anybody.
1:48:39
A he could have been a bodyguard.
1:48:41
He could have been a an assembly person.
1:48:43
He could have been just ran, do like instead it's a shoe
1:48:47
salesman. I was like, all right, I guess
1:48:51
you're the, what's your? He's when they said that song
1:48:53
Joong Ki is going to do a cameo because all the he was in
1:48:55
Vincents. Oh yes, director, ye, but they
1:48:58
were like, he's probably going to be the ex-con.
1:49:00
Husband, of individual will be whatever a I would have
1:49:04
preferred that he's right honestly.
1:49:08
Oh wow. I the people got me on that one.
1:49:11
That's a really good pull for them to say, I really never
1:49:15
does. We never do see the ex-husband?
1:49:17
No, we do. I really wanted to see that and
1:49:20
then song Joong Ki comes and tell so which of those shoes and
1:49:23
how they were bought and I was like right okay, all right.
1:49:26
That all we are going to get to you.
1:49:27
Do something that's like quite Irrelevant in the long run.
1:49:32
Exactly. Yeah but the other cameo was
1:49:36
wuchang say actually I was so excited to see him at the end of
1:49:41
the first episode and then my heart sunk when he was bumped
1:49:46
off and I'm like he was denied Oh, creeper such a hit with a
1:49:50
foot fetish, right? You know, the food fetish and
1:49:52
that scene in water, Zhang's, apart, move it, Kim goal.
1:49:56
Oh my God! I had chills down my spine.
1:49:58
So did I when he was like, so closer, like what was he doing?
1:50:01
Sniffing her. Some, he's such a brilliant
1:50:05
actor. He is.
1:50:05
I just hoping that he will come back in some flash back then.
1:50:09
They explained how the scheming folder.
1:50:11
No, he never came back and said he was dead.
1:50:13
Dead. Dead dead?
1:50:16
Not dead. He was just because why?
1:50:18
Was dead. He is dead.
1:50:20
Good. And then definitely.
1:50:23
That's yeah. So yeah, those those were the
1:50:26
two cameos, which were fun to watch.
1:50:28
Obviously. Absolutely.
1:50:29
Alright. Anything else that you'd like
1:50:32
to? Yeah.
1:50:32
We covered a lot of ground on this episode.
1:50:35
I got it. It's been two hours at the risk
1:50:40
of taking up more of your evening.
1:50:42
I do want to thank you so much for coming on the podcast kind
1:50:45
of on short notice and really, you know, Diving deep on this
1:50:49
drama. I think so many people.
1:50:52
Deemed me and asked me what my thoughts were if I was watching
1:50:55
Little Women and I felt horrible at the time saying like oh no
1:50:58
I'm not. I'm not watching little living
1:51:00
right now watching something else or I was watching something
1:51:03
else for the podcast. I'm waiting for the episodes to
1:51:06
finish airing so that I can just binge it, which is exactly what
1:51:09
happened to get me here on this episode talking about it.
1:51:13
But I think ultimately both recommend this drama definitely.
1:51:18
And I think that it's going to it's going to win some awards
1:51:23
eventually, at the back song, it has earned.
1:51:26
Yeah, hostages. If it doesn't, I'd be really
1:51:29
surprised. It's a shame.
1:51:31
We had to commiserate when the back song Awards come out
1:51:34
through and the nominee is get an ounce, and they have the
1:51:37
whole ceremony. But until then, I'm going to let
1:51:40
you go me now, where can we find you online actually?
1:51:43
Yes. So I'm as you lawn my podcast in
1:51:46
stop Beach crash-landed on Okay, traumas and I think you share
1:51:50
that in the episode notes anyways.
1:51:51
But on Twitter, I'm at Key drama underscore gap which is where I
1:51:55
grabbed a lot about my kdrama thoughts.
1:51:58
Hope they can. That's the easiest place to
1:52:00
catch me all this way. Yes, you are very active on
1:52:03
Twitter, so please reach out to me and I'll, she is such a great
1:52:06
voice on Twitter and she has great insights.
1:52:08
And again, like it's kind of rare for me to be on Twitter,
1:52:11
but me now is so please give her a follow on, all the socials and
1:52:13
talk to her on Twitter. She would be happy to talk
1:52:17
through any danger. This is watching or has watched,
1:52:20
I'm sure love it, love it. I, I mean, I feel so happy that
1:52:25
I finally got over my phobia and got onto Twitter and start
1:52:30
discussing kdramas. And I've made so many friends,
1:52:33
and Jess is so lovely. She and have very fun
1:52:35
interactions on our install post excetera.
1:52:39
So thank you, Jess. Thanks for thinking about me.
1:52:41
I love this drama so much and I was dying to talk about it.
1:52:44
Yes, just happened to be right time.
1:52:46
Yes, this came at the right time.
1:52:48
Time. And again, please reach out to
1:52:51
either of us. If you want to talk about the
1:52:53
episode, if you agreed with us or disagreed with us, we'd love
1:52:55
to hear your thoughts be loved and I think we're going to get
1:52:58
out of here on that note. Well, that's been our show.
1:53:01
I'm Jessica and this has been the ATC presents debauch.
1:53:03
He Rambles podcast, will I get to feel completed.
1:53:13
Cousin. I guess nothing left to feel me
1:53:29
up. Nobody hurts.
1:53:33
Nobody loving nobody. Just nobody crying somebody.
1:53:42
Shoulda told me self standing all by myself address and
1:53:52
drowning saying. Wait until