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E50: Del básquet al running - Andrés Felipe Bautista · Running Desde Cero

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Nice from scratch an amateur podcast where we will learn together all about running.
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Let' s run hello hello. Rons welcome to the fiftyth chapter of ERRONEONG
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from scratch Ronner fifty chapters. We really can' t believe it. When
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we started this project, you clearly want it to go very well, but
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I didn' t really think we could get to fifty chapters. It'
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s hard to think about at first when you' re also learning from this
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whole world of communication. If we want to thank you for the support we
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have had from you. The YouTube channel is really getting better, the reproductions
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in Spotify and all right, we brought you some great guests. Today,
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as always, we also have some. But before that we want to do
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the wedge that we always do, and that is to invite them to the
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Half Marathon of Bogotá to write already our code, which was ronning from scratch,
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because it no longer exists. He expounded people who took advantage of it
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or who were a lot of people. You' re his son, thank
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you. We' re going to do a special event at the Half Marathon
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with those who signed up with our code. But there are no more codes.
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But if there are many tickets for you to go and buy, remember
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that the Half Marathon of Bogotá is July 28th, so we wait for you
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over there to sign up and then, well, now, yeah, there
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' s grain, yeah, well. Today we have a guest, a
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story that I know you' re going to like He' s called Andrés
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Felipe Bautista. How are you welcome? Hello. Thank you very much for
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the invitation. It is with pleasure to be here in this chair in chapter
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fifty and for it should be part of these initiatives of you who continue to
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massify the Runn and so on. Chévere is, let' s say nothing.
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I have a question. It is that I always have to run there
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on the track training hard until very recently we were told how that boy has
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a good story to tell and we were told several little things, but then
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we want, like interviewing you to be the one to tell us, not
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just us, not all the people who listen to us. But let'
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s start from the beginning. Yeah, well, I know that there are
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people in this environment who are already going to be your face and they'
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re going to meet you from one and a lot of people, lots of
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people who know you, but we tell you like the dynamics of podcast.
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The idea is that in this first part we only talk about you who you
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are, what you do, how old you are, what you studied,
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how was your first approach to sport. It may not be running, but
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tell us. Everything you better say ready perfect. Okay. I' m
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Felipe Bautista, sportsman and consummate lover. Since I' ve been using reason,
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I' ve always been passionate about sports. I didn' t start
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running. Let' s just say I found athletics. A little late I
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' m a sports manager at District University. I did not exercise let'
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s say directly on the subject of sport in let' s say on my
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day to day work, but because I went for others, on other roads
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that opened up to me during my life. Like every Colombian kid, I
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started playing football. Yeah, I mean, I' m from the generation
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that lasted hours and hours playing on the street nonstop and then I gave two
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next to everyone' s solo until the mom came in, exactly if my
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granny was already coming in, but I ran already after a long time of
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being on the street playing, so we were tireless players. I also had
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to say the first rapprochement with performance sports from childhood and pre- infant categories
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in football. So I moved away from a football school, playing around until
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I was fourteen years old in Bogotá League. There was a super- known
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and emblematic championship that is the chigiros courts. I don' t know if
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it still exists by the 26th and negative. So that was like my first
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approach, like with sport, let' s say it was very cool the
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theme of training every day. My mom always took us because we went with
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my brother, we were always at football school. But let' s just
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say I was just like the singers, like, eight years or so already
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in school. It was You don' t remember. If in the aqueduct
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football school of the aqueduct, then the Bogotá aqueduct company for the children of
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the workers had a number of benefits, among those this soccer school. Then,
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but a swim in a school very well recognized and very good the courts
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that they gave in Fontibon. And then let' s say it was always
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the training center and it was very cool, that' s the competitive theme
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and so on. That started out as the sports thing, but all my
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life I' ve played, I' ve biked. Well, I'
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m a little ahead of myself. I' m also jumping. Most of
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the athletes we' ve played in football have a common position. You were
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a gambler. If I' ve heard, if I' ve heard years
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and I think we' re all there that we run the most up and
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down. Then I started playing central defense, because I was like one of
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the gleamiest at the time for guys my age. Then I was central defense
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and then I went lateral, lateral, right offense or extreme, extreme,
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extreme steering wheel. So, let' s say that always, but I
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was always as in defense was very good also defending. So it was really
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cool there with let' s say that football theme and let' s say
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I pulled the juice out as far as I could and as far as I
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wanted to look at other things, I didn' t feel as good at
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the time. Plus, I had, like, asthma episodes, and in
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one game, it gave me a crisis. So I don' t know
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how I didn' t want to get away a little bit and let'
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s say look at other sports options. Fourteen years. I was fourteen,
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about what corso you were in pretty much at school. I was more or
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less in seventh eighth. Maybe and you start to look at that other options
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of exactly yes, that' s where I start to look like other options.
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Let' s just say I also studied at the aqueduct school for the
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workers. Then it was a school that had like a cool facilities, had
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tennis courts, microfootball court, basketball court, all in all, then it
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could practice different sports and all I practiced ping pong, field tennis. Anyway
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and then I ran into basketball and there, yeah, I started falling in
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love with the sport a lot more, I started playing basketball and I saw
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that I also had certain good qualities for basketball and there it lasts for the
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height. It was not so explosive that it was needed for basketball, for
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jumpability and for directional changes and so on. But he was very good,
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very good tripler played as a wingman. Then let' s say that it
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started as an episode of my life, very cool, because from the age
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of sixteen seventeen I entered the Bogotá basketball league. I was just like in
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school there. Let' s say so, in there, in the sports
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center of the Salitre, where it is there next to the track, let
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' s say that there was an old building, which was a court in
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let' s say wood, but it was very cool and the courts outside.
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Let' s just say that I started out like the sports thing,
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basketball, that I really got passionate and fell in love. I saw the
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NBA at that time, so the games of the stars and I dreamed of
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getting to the NBA. I also got into that field of basketball all of
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a sudden as in streetball and so on. Then he had a lot of
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black friends. Then I got into a lot like that hip hop listening topic,
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that dress and the floyd. I don' t know what. Then
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all my friends were black, black. Then, because I was always immersed
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in that culture, in that aesthetics I liked very much. And then I
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went on to pirates, pirates of Bogotá, which was like a quarry,
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like the lower ones. Let' s say it like that. Then he
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trained at the Palacio de los Deportes, my coach at that time, because
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he was José Tapias, who is one of Colombia' s best pirate coaches.
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Then he was the first of the person also with another, with another
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coach than what I am much about him, who is called William Quesada,
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who also had one more neighborhood club, and he was the first to start
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teaching me all the foundation, the technique and so on. And that'
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s how I got to Pirates. I' ve been so many designs when
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you get to Pirates. I was about seventeen years old or so seventeen years
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old The school was finished. Yeah, I was almost finished with school,
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like sixteen seventeen years or so. But Pirates is today a strong league team.
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Don' t be a basketball league player in Colombia, yes, yes,
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there is a basketball league. Let' s say it' s a
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league not as conventional as a league let' s say professional in other countries
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that there' s a long season, but it' s a mini league.
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Let' s say it like that, invitational. However, because Ahorita,
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there are many more teams that represent each department of Colombia and Pirates is
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one of the most outstanding teams of Colombian basketball, where they have played,
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since stars and great referents likeÁlvaro tirán, in short a lot of players
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that currently escape my names, but it is a great institution and also from
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there several good players, of course, well you arrive to Pirates and that
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there, that is to the unique or youthful category or something like that.
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That' s when I got there like the youth, like the minors,
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I got to the good one, yes, I already went there, there,
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I was there for a while, I played some games like League and
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so on and then I went to the university. And at the University,
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there was already like a lapse there, a lapse there as well as that
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I did not continue training so judicious and so on, but I resumed it
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again at the University and there also I got very hooked and continued falling in
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love with basketball and I reached to participate also in several championships of ascun of
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hills the Distrital University, because it was not that I had like the best
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players because we were not so tall, we did not have like as much
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strength. But we were always in the finals with the same universities, the
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jave, the Andes maybe and the COON, because the Cradle at that time
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brought players from San Andrés and put them to study for free to win all
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classes. So, let' s say that I played several games, several
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ascuni championships and so on with the university, but it always came to the
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final that I lost, no, no, once we were champions once,
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but we always got to the finals. But, no one suddenly said no
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these peeled all skinny little ones. But let' s say we put our
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heart in it, we put our claws in it, and that' s
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what characterized us. Let' s just say that standing out in sports,
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in college I was helping you with a scholarship or something. No, well,
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let' s just say that at the time I didn' t have
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a scholarship because, because I' m really in district college, paying a
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sum of money, because it joins a very little public university. Then,
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because it was more, as I saw it, more like an exit to
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the theme of the day of studying and so on, and that I was
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always linked to the sport all my life. So, I always wanted to
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be involved in something was very competitive. And so there in basketball, I
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found, found and trained every day to train the pred at the headquarters of
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technology in the south, which is where the sports center of the district is.
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So, then, it was a beautiful, beautiful experience. Why,
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why do you decide to study sports administration. That' s precisely why I
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said I had as a lapsus there too that I didn' t know what
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to study. He wanted to study cadastral engineering or engineering. I tried to
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get into the national, but I didn' t make it. All my
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families from the national, at least me. Then it was like that theme
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there. But I wanted to study sports management, precisely because of that taste
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for sport, and it' s not necessarily a sport training topic, but
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it' s a little more macro vision of what sport is, how to
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be able to implement new things in sport, innovation and so on. So,
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so let' s say I was very struck by the issue of sports
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administration. What happened to asthma in basketball, that is, you already told
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us that playing football, I gave you an episode playing these also ever gave
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you never let' s say the asthma issue, but they treated you.
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Or yes, when I was young at that time, when I was in
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childhood, I was under twelve, maybe thirteen years old, because let'
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s say I started with an inhaler treatment and well, a series of medications.
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They did some allergy tests on me, well, a lot of things
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they did to me back then. But later on let' s not say
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I had no major problem with the respiratory issue. And let' s just
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say that was like the sports thing. And then I find athletics. But
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I think I also skipped a piece, a piece because in the year two
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thousand, which was the first, the first edition of the Half Marathon of
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Bogotá, invited us from school and that was my first career. But since
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I' d never played basketball before, I played basketball. And how did
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they invite us, that is, like who wants to run? Yeah,
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like who wants to run? And so you' re going to earn a
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note at the physical station and ta, ta, ta, and I,
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well, from one let' s register if I was about fifteen, maybe
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fourteen fifteen years old, I ran ten k scarce. At that time he
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left from the Plaza Center, from Plaza Bolívar or already throughout the Seventh.
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It was a little disorganized, but it was the first version. However,
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very good international athletes came. The first one he won was a Mexican.
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If I am not bad and in that edition I participated, then I returned
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a little bit in the story. That was my first approach to athletics,
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with the Ronin. But before you tell us, it' s how you
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got into athletics. If I' d like to know how you fall in
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love with basketball, because you already told us how that process went to quit
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football and migrate this to them how you stop wanting it good. After being
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like on a good level and that I felt that I played well and that
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I had good jumpability at that time I almost got to nail the ball,
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that is, I played well, it was good, but they started to
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emerge as episodes of frustration also in certain games, that I couldn' t
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be well, like I couldn' t focus on the trainings very well.
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You know then and when you don' t get to the competition, like
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something happens sometimes and you don' t get the goal, yeah, then
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I started as a series of frustrations there, like little ones, like I
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didn' t feel very good. Let' s say it' s also
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a team, a team sport, then it' s suddenly not entirely dependent
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on you. So, I kind of started to get a little bit away
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from it, I saw it as more of a hobby and I' m
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going to play the park for a while and park for a while. I
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don' t know what, but let' s not say I started out
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like a little bit of that,' cause I had like episodes of like,
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uh, I don' t get it. I' m not going
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to try anything else, another topic, and there, at that moment I
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also started to see that I ran quite a lot and whenever they did all
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the test topics and so on on the basketball court, because I was always
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the first running. So let' s say that that' s like I
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said, I can' t run for running that he noticed or not,
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I was the one I noticed and already in the last years of the University
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came to athletics, but then I returned a little bit to the first episode,
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which was the first half marathon in Bogotá. At that time, as
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I felt very good around here I was doing about forty forty, forty-
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one in ten Ka, at fifteen years old and at fifteen years old and
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I never trained I mean, I never ran like a specific training plan to
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run, but if I was very active, I played loncesto and moa bas
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but it' s a time that happened to make the first race. Then
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fifteen years. Not that things that things, you remember so much of that,
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of that first ten k I remember very much that I felt strange,
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because like with so many people, that it was a brutal subject of people
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and pass and pass people because you go like dodging people, because you leave
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one behind among the whole crowd. Of course, it was my turn to
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climb up to him and run so I wouldn' t crash with people.
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And I remember a lot about the seventh, which was kind of classic at
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the time, and then I think I was going down 26th. If I
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' m not bad, I got dead, but I felt good. Yeah,
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that' s like, and I think I ran in clothes, so
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let' s just say nothing to do with basketball or I' m a
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batalonet, yeah, yeah with the jordan and the pants under the knee.
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Not then, yes, it was pretty cool, but that' s what
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I remember. I don' t remember right now very well. But it
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has some position that you say how uy I don' t know of my
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top category Dies slide, because forty- one minutes is very good weather.
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I really don' t know at the time that it was so. I
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think they didn' t qualify at the time because before they didn' t
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and they gave us a diploma in physics, a diploma as well as that
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they wrote it by hand. I mean, it was super super archaic.
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They didn' t give a little medal, yes, but no more.
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It wasn' t like all that electronic stuff. There was no chip,
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yes, no, I don' t think, I mean, there wasn
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' t like I' m going to look or what I was left with
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then my splits or something. No, yesterday, at that moment I told
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him. No, no, no, no rometer at the end, I
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create sensations at that moment. Yeah, never, never, I mean,
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you ran and you felt good, and you never thought about basketball for athletics.
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At that moment, at that moment some teacher didn' t tell you
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how it went. Because, because you were on the side of the College
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no teacher told you how it went or something. If there' s my
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teacher, she was a woman, the teacher of physical education at school,
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and she always had me in mind for that very reason. I believe that
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in that same year there was also an award by the athlete of the Year
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of the College and I earned it because they competed everything and won everything at
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some point in school. He also competed in inter- school skating, racing
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except was. It happened with my brother, it was this what it'
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s called the track, it was racing and it was also there at the
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PRD on a track that at school was screaming something. I did, yes,
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and then I bought some skates that at the time you started the theme
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of roller and ska ah yes, yes, and I also did extreme skating
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time. So, the tubes and the andemia. There is one more,
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a skate park that remained in the first of May with Boyacá, very classic.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember, yeah, yeah, I
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remember. And there, there, we practiced, there, we practiced a
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lot, or we went to the National Park. Well, anyway, there,
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but it was a lapse of like a year out there, a year
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of Furor, just like for musical painting and your classmates, like they fit
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well with that roller culture and that sheath. No yes, yes, we
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were exactly like that urban theme. We also didn' t really like going
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out, skating on the street, jumping the platforms, going through the cars
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and it was very much like very used and very relaxed on that subject of
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lime you say you run. The first memoraton was in the year two thousand.
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Year two thousand was the first edition of the half Marathon of Bogotá and
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you on Instagram have published a photo of two thousand four where you see go
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and Mauricio González. Yeah, that year you start running two thousand four,
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yeah, about two thousand four, two thousand five, if I' m
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not bad, but if I remember a lot I went with them. We
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were going to train and we always came running, always eagerly. We were
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a little late sometimes to the races as well, but before we got there,
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yes, as they saw, the majij' s races arrived cake if
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we were a little bit and now also of that socialized as how you enter
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the athletics finally and you start to know, how you run tired to feel
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and say as if suddenly to run mine yes, yes, yes, yes,
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yes, you go to run a ten k to train or as it
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is not. So, at that point, well, it was the college
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lapse that let' s say that I started to kind of get away from
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basketball and I started to see that I was running well, that I had
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a good lung tank and always in all the tests I won or arrived first
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good. Anyway, one day I went to find out at the University Welfare
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Office. I wasn' t as consolidated to this office at the time.
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Then it was more like paper. And I ask you, I want to
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train athletics with the university. No yes, look how the teacher is such,
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go the league to the track of athletics and there ask for such a
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person who was the coach at that time and smart go, but as very
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go and look how I go the track, Mrs a very bad friend going
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to resale at that time was the coach of the athletics team, it was
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Felix Marrugo. So Felix tells me he got on the track and introduces me
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to Mauricio, to Mauricio Ladino. Then there I came also with my long
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pant Miss Jordan, and of a Mauro, for it scans me from top
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to bottom and like that I am not in a fight, like not what
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to do is yes, that tell me these are then Mauro always, because
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he used to do a test, a test of one because he was always
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with therefore with the bare elite that were all winners, South American champions,
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junior Central Americans. Well, anyway, I had a litter of very good,
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very talented athletes. So I got there and well, I got tested
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like a thousand test that I did with that outfit like I didn' t.
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And Mauro always tells that story, too, like not. This man
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came with those Telis and he' s going to run and with that pantalone.
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But I did the test. It went well. Then there as far
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as the kilometer, I think I did it in about three thirty something like
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that, three hundred thirty five, the kilometer on the track, the thousand
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and with that dress. So, then, you kind of forgot your dress
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position, yeah, you were in, come on, yeah, so that
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was like the beginning, the beginning of the whole athletics thing, as one
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of being in with a coach. Let' s just say it wasn'
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t as marked at the time. Those groups, like now, that there
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are amateur groups, there are groups like elite or semi- elite or that
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are more or less performance. So, because I was always with them because
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there was no more, I mean, I always trained with the elites who
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were the peeled ones at that time, which were what there was, what
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you had stuck to them, let' s say that at that time,
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like we also handled the training loads more to sensations, and I also remember
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that we measured with them all the Google Maps tours, that is, it
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was crazy, we measured and looked at come methamons because, because we didn
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' t have a watch at that time, it was with the normal casio
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and at that time also because we didn' t have as marked as those
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training zones as now, like I always went to top every day with them
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and then let' s say that they were sweeping it, because it wasn
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' t of that level either. Sure, yeah, but it kept me
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there. There, I was always with them and from there it started,
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like the whole subject of athletics. I ran a first race in the year
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two thousand and seven. If I' m not bad with Nike that at
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the time the shirts came with the number, the number printed on the top
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covered yes and they gave us a chip that put the laces on the shoe
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I don' t know if it was reaching some. I ran a career
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promotion to Colpatria and the chip was given to one in the kit and played
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March shoes and after handing it over. That wasn' t disposable. You
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kept that ea, because it was net shit of old folks. Yeah,
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yeah, yeah. So, that' s when it started out like the
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whole thing, and I ran several Nike races from then on there was also
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a very good race that was for eighty- five, that was polar many
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races there, but that was ten ko that if it was always ten K,
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it was always ten every ten K. When you enter there to enter
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with Mauricio Juice as what is the goal, that is to go to nationals
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or that only improve your performance, because at that time I had not as
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much notion. However, because I was late for athletics, as I tell
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you, it was like after basketball, as I don' t know when
25:22
I arrived I would be twenty- one, twenty- two years old,
25:26
maybe I don' t know, and the guys, I mean, the
25:30
lot of guys who were there at the time were much younger than me and
25:30
they ran much harder. Of course, then, at that moment I came
25:36
simply for how to measure myself and improve. I didn' t have like
25:41
that notion of I' m going to represent or I' m going to
25:44
go to some national. Pray anyway, just as for how to improve.
25:48
The truth. Just, Mauricio didn' t have you project, projection for
25:53
something or suddenly for some or just times of street racing, or that if
25:57
more than anything, in street racing. However, because we did several tests
26:00
of three thousand, I participated in several five thousand thousand five hundred, especially
26:07
at that time too, for we ran one thousand five hundred. But I
26:10
wasn' t as good, I wasn' t as fast as they were.
26:14
So let' s say I was doing better in the tests a little
26:18
longer or a thousand or ten zero. And so let' s say that
26:22
I started to fuck, I started to try the six Pikes on the old
26:27
track of the Salitre, which was the red track, Red, the red
26:32
one at the time, because let' s say we watched a lot of
26:37
YouTube, a lot of documentaries. Then I was the one who sometimes translated
26:38
them. Then we always saw from Hale, from Hebracela, from Hale,
26:45
from Kenenisabe Kele, from Steve Prefuntine. So, like we always looked at
26:52
that and we felt like we were quite motivated, we started to do what
26:56
they did too, to go to the sauna, to go like that,
27:02
to complement the workouts of the recovery theme and so on. If you haven
27:06
' t told yourself that, you' d get fed up with YouTube,
27:08
if you looked at YouTube art, you' d get fed up with YouTube.
27:11
Let' s say when you' re, when you' re training
27:17
a basketball team, because as a whole sport, there' s a lot
27:19
of bonding between peers, and that changes when you go into an individual sport
27:26
and you know that at the time of the game, because bye- bye,
27:32
that' s what changes. There and also there to complement that question,
27:34
there I work as a team. That' s because, of course,
27:38
there' s something that' s very common in people who suddenly get
27:42
into you that' s what you said on the basketball issue. Let'
27:45
s say me, when I played football, I said I could be good.
27:48
But if the defense or the archer turns out to be an egg,
27:52
it' s a hole, because that' s where balls come in and
27:56
you kill yourself to make a goal and the other person. No, then
27:59
you say you went into athletics that you are individual. If it' s
28:03
true that myth that athletics is individual. That is to complement the question,
28:06
it is perfect, because at that moment the topic of teamwork was very marked,
28:12
because, because it came from a sport of whole. However, when
28:18
he reached the team at that time there was not even the Endurance Hronners club.
28:23
It was later. It was like getting around at that time, everything
28:29
was like an idea, but it was always the idea of endorance. So
28:36
there I kind of changed my chip a little bit, because really, when
28:38
what you say is not on the starting line, it' s already up
28:41
to you, what you see and smart is you against time, against whatever
28:47
you want, against your demons or what you want to do in the race.
28:53
However, let' s say that in athletics I also realized that there
28:59
is also a very chevere team job, because, for example, I entered
29:02
this team, I had the privilege of being with these great athletes and that
29:06
motivated me a lot and I also improved a lot as well. That is,
29:11
when you go bottomless, it' s very different to do it in
29:17
the lot to do it alone. Yes, then sometimes, like you'
29:19
re just smart, you do it, but the perception of effort and so
29:26
on, when you go in a batch in a group, because it'
29:30
s different, so there too the theme of teamwork is cool, because you
29:33
can also pull or you can be sheltered in the lot. Well, anyway,
29:38
let' s just say that and also with them, even though they
29:44
were very hard- headed, they were also very humble, very simple.
29:47
So, also I kind of got an acceptance from that group and we were
29:52
always say up and down training. Then I remember that we were always going
29:56
to Florida or there in the Bolivar Singon, or we were going on some
30:02
super- chevere tours, to the Alberjón mountains, some iconic tours on the
30:08
Green Cross moor, which is for the 20th of July up by San Blas,
30:12
which is a super good mountain tour. I also don' t know
30:15
if they' re still doing it right now, or I think it'
30:18
s very dangerous. His name is Cruz Verde, it' s not a
30:22
super good mountain and there we always found a little lake and there we did
30:26
our cold therapy. Also up there with them, then they are a few
30:30
tours, well féveres in the city of Bolívar. Also sometimes I went alone,
30:33
I mean, nothing ever happened to me and I was going to Bolivar
30:36
by going up the Candelaria, I was going to Sierra Morena, or I
30:40
was going for a ride that we called the devil back, a tour of
30:42
Ciudad Bolívar. And that' s also done a lot by athletes who train
30:45
in the tunal. We always train in those mountains of Ciudad Bolívar. So,
30:52
let' s just say it was always like a teamwork and one was
30:56
a brotherhood there with them. It was so cool. It was so cool.
31:00
Let' s always say that Ivan and Mauricio were always there as references
31:06
and he was too much to clarify. Let' s say that when you
31:10
say they were just Ivan in Mauritius or there was some elite athlete in Durenz
31:14
or Well, as you say Duras didn' t exist, but with Mauricio
31:18
Laden or they were the two pearls, because of the crown of Mauritius.
31:22
Yeah, well, it was always the two of them who were like the
31:26
most stubborn, but at the time there was a litter of very talented athletes
31:32
that let' s say he suddenly left on the way. But there were
31:36
about six and seven very good athletes, all with South American junior champion records
31:41
that went to different events. Let' s say that, to mention some,
31:49
there was Alejandro Beltrán, Pedro Rodríguez, Diego Moreno who was also very
31:53
hard at the time. At that time Gerard was a meristan and it was
31:59
that Herando was in that group s e camilo, lancheros, chaos plancheros.
32:05
We were also a well, well, well nourished group, but they were
32:09
the elites. I was there like him as the new one and the colado,
32:13
because there wasn' t like that distinction, as I told you before,
32:17
that we had an amateur group and the elites, but it was what
32:21
it was and you trained and with them it was good. Chévereo what is
32:24
the point, the highest peak that you arrive, that is your prime training
32:30
with them, that is to say I reached my highest point in this competition,
32:34
at this level in these perfect times, more or less, in the
32:37
year two thousand eleven, two thousand ten, two thousand eleven, like I
32:40
saw that it was my peak, I ran several races that had in the
32:45
body Tech circuit, several I won them one in Villavicencia or I won a
32:50
n and vague. Those were that two dry, were ten k of ten
32:52
twelve cas, but let' s say they always run here in average height.
32:57
I felt like a tough guy, obviously, because you' re going
33:00
to the sea and you' re doing a lot like that, a lot
33:02
more, but I was doing really well in the heat. Let' s
33:05
say I didn' t have so many prr nor records, nor marks here,
33:09
in Bogotá or at height not then, at that time, more or
33:13
less. In the year two thousand, two thousand ten, two thousand eleven
33:15
I make my best ten k mark in Villavicencio, which was thirty- one
33:20
forty- three, if not more, more or less, and at that
33:22
time than third, third third with that mark. And always, then,
33:29
let' s say that Villa Vicencia had a nerve point, because we were
33:32
always going to make several preparations, preparations there always accompanied, because always accompanied
33:37
them. I was driving my car. It was the only thing that had
33:39
a car back then. So, let' s say everyone in my car
33:43
up to this Vicencio Village, we go there our preparation and it was very
33:46
chevere. And then I traveled in the two thousand eleven to the Half Marathon
33:52
of Buenos Aires and there I ran my best half marathon in that year.
33:57
Later I never again played like that time I did at that time, which
34:00
was a zero hour nine, something almost hours, a zero nine more or
34:05
less brutal. Yes, yes, yes, brutal and there in Argentina it
34:08
runs. That was yes, of course, in Buenos Aires he runs,
34:13
he runs the chevere le. I have two questions. Let' s just
34:15
say a question that comes up to me, too, I don' t
34:20
know if all the clubs happen and it always happened to you as a training
34:23
group. He has like his good people, his elite and then they'
34:29
re, like you said, right now to his semi elite or performance and
34:32
then they' re like amateurs. Well, in your case there were no
34:35
amateurs, but there were very aite people. Suddenly you felt like the attention
34:40
was going a little bit closer to them. You never felt it or rather,
34:45
because Mauricio was paying attention to everyone equally or how it was, because
34:50
it strikes me from training with elites, because, because elites, if they
34:52
have nationals, are looking for Olympics and all that kind of stuff, they
34:58
suddenly need a little more attention. Yes, yes, yes, let'
35:01
s say that you are right and you live now also clearly, because the
35:08
coaches and at that moment, because always all the attention was with them.
35:13
But at the time I didn' t see it as bad. I just
35:15
felt. Yeah, let' s just say it felt good to be part
35:20
of that club, and let' s just say, in a way,
35:27
I was getting close to them. Then that clearly motivated me, for I
35:30
never managed to take the hard step as they always did. But yes,
35:35
it was close then it was like that motivation. Well, I' m
35:38
training with the best in Bogotá and maybe at some point I can be like
35:44
them. Yes, well, clearly keeping those as proportions, because we all
35:50
know that we have a talent or we don' t have it, or
35:54
we have to exploit it with work. You can get a lot of things,
35:59
but at that moment I felt already, I didn' t feel relegated.
36:01
However, all of them did have as the endorsements of the brands at
36:06
that time, as the boom of the track of the RUNG began. Then
36:08
they started adding many brands, many sponsors who gave us things, the first
36:15
Garmin watches. There was a team with them and they gave us the first
36:21
Garming watches that arrived. So it was like, well, what the hell
36:25
is this? Or when we were also part of how to pass the different
36:30
races, they gave us certain incentives Well, now there were several things that
36:36
yes, I could have them. But then, clearly they were like those
36:39
who had, like those higher standards, also performance, because they went to
36:44
nationals, to South Americans. Well and so on, then they were always
36:50
there as with that greater attention. Clearly, what happens after that one hour
36:55
nine in Buenos Aires, Well there, and also because I was already working.
37:02
Yeah, I also started working then and I started having a lot of
37:07
injuries after that hour zero nine, so I started to how to lower performance,
37:12
I started as well to get a little away from training. Well,
37:15
that' s where a lot of things came up. Then I was training
37:20
and working. Then it was complex. Yeah, not anymore? Yeah?
37:23
Yeah? Don' t you? Don' t you? Didn' t
37:24
it hit? Didn' t it hit? He gave no more, because
37:28
elite people or athletes are dedicated to his sport. A hundred percent train,
37:32
coven and were ton change, when I was finished and they were finished training,
37:37
I don' t know what. That' s where I had to
37:39
run off to work. Of course, well, let' s just say
37:43
that at the time it was like a shift job. Then I was training,
37:45
I was working in the afternoon. So, let' s just say
37:50
it was a little bit complex. But after that hour doing one of them
37:52
kept on and training, training, I started to like winning little wagons.
37:57
Let' s say the ten ko, let' s say I' ve
38:01
run all the races in Colombia. I think yes, always, because I
38:06
was sometimes on the podium, more times not, because there was also a
38:08
lot of level, a lot of level and people who, because really lived
38:14
from this then. But there I kept, there I kept, as until
38:16
the year two thousand seventeen, two thousand eighteen that there is also like that
38:21
there is a break and I let train and I move away from all this
38:25
yes to go that team from Honduras. Plus, we know there' s
38:29
a time in your life, that course that you didn' t do anymore,
38:35
you disappeared out of the way, you didn' t run again.
38:37
Well, I guess so, some little trots, some leashes. What happened
38:42
to your life at the time, what you did or Bride out there,
38:45
son, I don' t know what. Yes, I did not see
38:50
there Bride, and then let' s say that I went elsewhere, I
38:52
went on the artistic side, like other themes and I left aside, like
38:59
I got tired, like I didn' t find him anymore, like that
39:05
taste that I had at the beginning, like thanks, as if, I
39:07
don' t want to know more about athletics, if there was a moment
39:12
of breakup and that one too, because it gets tired like everything already clear
39:15
is that all life doing sport and since one tires the most accurate. So
39:21
already at that moment, I kind of walked away and walked away, totally,
39:25
I mean, I stopped saying I was in that middle. Yeah,
39:30
like you say, let' s say he was jogging to keep me up
39:35
sometimes. Then it took about three years, maybe quite, quite a while,
39:40
as if I stopped having injuries too. I started to say the knee
39:45
injury the achille tendon. Well, I started to get a lot of trouble.
39:52
And also, because I didn' t feel good at that moment that
39:55
makes a runner when he' s no longer a runner or strange. They
40:00
call you friends, they write you friends to stand up. We' re
40:02
going to run or we' re going to go to the side that makes
40:07
one at that moment, like no one called me yes, it' s
40:15
that luck of lies, but it does feel like you already feel one,
40:22
like at some point. Yeah, I want to go back. I want
40:22
to go back, I want to go back and I want to try again.
40:25
Why not if at some point I was so in love with this,
40:30
because I didn' t try. Yeah, but that kind of thing leaves
40:34
empty in one that one, replaces them fills them with another. Vaina you
40:37
say right now that art or something artistic, to you what you filled with
40:43
that void that stops running what you were up early. No, and that
40:49
' s where I started to get more into the events, into artistic events,
40:52
to exercise a little what you studied. No, let' s not
40:57
say I' ve never really exercised it. Let' s just say I
41:01
' ve always been working. I work to make up for it. Okay
41:05
yeah, all my working life I' ve been making up for several,
41:09
various roles and positions and so on, I started as an assistant and I
41:15
was on the sports arenas and so on, last year, I was in
41:21
digital transformation projects. That' s nothing to do with sport. But there
41:24
I learned a lot of things about this whole digital transformation issue and how to
41:29
care for people in a better and more effective way then all the modules that
41:36
are in the headquarters, like machines and so on. I was behind those
41:42
projects like that digital transformation of modules, and since I didn' t attend
41:45
to it in a person, but self- management, but you were passionate
41:46
about that. Yeah, well, I liked it a lot, I liked
41:51
it a lot, but I was there like a lapse of time in those
41:53
projects and so on. But returning to me, let' s say I
41:58
filled it with that as I also started as more of the rumba theme and
42:02
so on, as to fill that void with other things with concerts. I
42:06
spent it on concert, there was a cultural event, I spent it traveling
42:09
a lot. In fact, I traveled to America to make my best five
42:16
thousand mark. Also ask at the University of San Diego, California. There
42:22
too. But that was before I left him. Yeah, that was before,
42:23
that was before I left him. That' s a hell of a
42:27
time I wanted. Fifteen zero zero? Fifteen zero zero? And there'
42:30
s also a good, very curious story, because it was my first time
42:34
in America. I didn' t know much. I traveled with my ex
42:37
- girlfriend. So, it' s a big support and but let'
42:43
s just say I didn' t have as the notion of distance and the
42:46
University of San Diego was very far away where we were in Los Angeles.
42:50
I was in Big Berlake, which was where they were preparing for the big
42:55
events and Ivan and Mauritius and driving from Los Angeles to San Diego, which
43:01
means driving about five hours almost didn' t make it to the race,
43:06
that is, I had to get my car down and without heating and make
43:08
it five thousand. I mean, suddenly that' s the key. Yeah,
43:13
I think then that went well, well, well tenacious because, well,
43:19
I took the car and I think I had a GPS, but I
43:21
wasn' t set up, but to go down streets, not on the
43:28
highway, well, but in between, I mean, and I died a
43:30
lot to get there. Then I came and ran the five thousand. I
43:37
ran five grand. And that was my best mark at the time, the
43:40
best five thousand. And let' s just say I never ran again I
43:45
never came near again. I think about five years ago when I was training
43:49
alone because I started also after that lapse that I left the club and did
43:52
not retrain with the team and so on, I started training sun, trained
43:57
alone. Then it was like that same, the same planning we' ve
44:02
always had. The same, then repeated it, repeated it, then on
44:07
Wednesdays and Sundays, the background made the strength of Thursday, made the repetitions
44:09
or the intervals on Tuesday. Yeah, I mean, I kind of already
44:15
had that one and I kept doing it. Then self- taught let'
44:20
s say it like that and I trained alone And I liked to train alone,
44:24
like already after having that group and that team and always being accompanied,
44:30
because I always wanted to be training with someone, I didn' t like
44:32
to train alone, I mean, no, no, I wasn' t
44:37
and then I was like three years training totally alone. You know I was
44:39
just going on the cycleway or going on the routes I knew only then,
44:45
so let' s just say, well, there, I don' t
44:49
know. That' s where they put us together that you get hurt,
44:52
you get back from an injury, and they get cheap from one or the
44:54
way it is. Yes, yes, yes, as that story is exactly
44:58
when I was training alone, I was training for the half Marathon of Barranquilla,
45:06
that in that year I won it the open category, mine Marathon of
45:09
Barranquilla in the year two thousand eighteen, two thousand nineteen. Maybe I went
45:13
twice to the Barranquilla Half Marathon in the open category, once I second you
45:17
and the other I won in that category. And I think I did about
45:22
time thirteen, time fourteen, because the moisturizer. This one I didn'
45:23
t make like thirteen, I think, and at that moment I was kind
45:30
of wanting to start making those long distances. So I was getting a lot
45:34
of bottom, a lot of volume, and I hurt myself doing a few
45:38
intervals in Cali and the highway, which means I got out that maybe not
45:43
because of the load or I don' t know, I was already doing
45:44
too many miles. Then he injured me, I had a tear of the
45:46
achille tendon. So there I did stop, I had to stop, I
45:54
stopped about eight months or so or so, and also since it was boring
46:00
and I don' t want to know any more about athletics, and yes
46:04
I kind of had that one under that moment with the injury, already when
46:07
I was recovering, I started like mutating bikes, I already started as I
46:10
learned to take the taste to the BICI and so on. But that was
46:15
like that tipping point, too, of like, oh, I don'
46:21
t want any more athletics. Yes, and there is unemployment, there is
46:25
unemployment and say two thousand nineteen, about two thousand nineteen, two thousand twenty
46:30
before the pandemic. Maybe, yes and I stop, and then it comes
46:34
to the pandemic. And then, worse, I totally stop. But why
46:40
do you decide to go back specifically to that marathon, that is, go
46:49
back up to marathon proof and the time you put in there in your debut.
46:52
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally, and let' s just say
46:58
it was like we had a lot of respect for him at that distance.
47:00
If that, that' s a key question, and it' s because
47:04
the matter and the and the fly that my elite, if they' re
47:08
redeeming, not that it' s one, when they enter amateur already the
47:13
next year they want to do marathon or the same year or they don'
47:16
t say I' m already ready, but Juan, but she doesn'
47:16
t look at them. That' s like a non- cheap torn.
47:21
Why they have so much respect for him at that distance. If you run
47:24
four hundred kilometers a month exactly five hundred, yes, I don' t
47:30
know, but forever we, for let' s say we had him as
47:35
respects from a distance and always tell us no. No, no, don
47:35
' t run marathon yet, don' t run half marathons yet. Run
47:38
ten K. Run, because sometimes we ran the fifteen K. But it
47:44
was always that respect, because, because it is a very hard test and
47:47
you have to have a whole preparation of years, just as we had it,
47:53
as I had it for many years, more than fifteen years, because
47:55
to debut it was a marathon. And what you say now people, because
47:58
of the racing boom and all this running stuff. They already want to skip
48:06
those steps that need to be followed so that your body responds in the best
48:09
way, because clearly yes, we can all run a marathon and finish it
48:15
in whatever time it is, but the idea is to do it right and
48:19
make a good process and not that you are super abused or why you are
48:24
not conditioned, because you are what has happened lately in events that there are
48:30
people who die by x and emotional because they are not prepared. Yes,
48:31
then it is as well a little awareness, because, because the marathon is
48:37
a very, very strong competition that we all know is ten or twelve or
48:43
sixteen weeks of preparation where you take the body to the limit and the day
48:46
of the race much more. I mean, the body is totally decompensated,
48:52
destroyed that you may not perceive it, but the body charges you. So
49:00
that respect like that distance. And clearly, the elite, because they do.
49:06
I mean, let' s just say like it' s anything,
49:09
I mean, papitas pitas para lor, or whatever. But for us amateurs
49:14
or semi- els and amateurs, let' s say it' s more
49:16
complex, because we did a lot of things. Also then it' s
49:21
also like a like a double happiness when you get it, like you push,
49:29
I' m working, I take time out of training and I'
49:32
m still there, I' m still there. So that' s it,
49:35
but yeah, it' s very important that people don' t kind
49:38
of skip those, those like that. Yes, I mean, it'
49:43
s not like it' s fifteen years, either, but yes, at
49:45
least the ten- year- old sings, yes, yes. Yes,
49:49
understand that understanding what the marathon is, because if it' s not going
49:52
to end it in six, seven hours or eight hours, but doing it
49:57
right. Yeah, what it' s like to travel with Erythic people because
50:00
you saw Seville. Yes, with all the big patch of Bogotá and Colombian
50:06
even with the Chilean. No, I don' t. Yes, well,
50:08
let' s say that the Chilean and the others and they were there
50:14
because they were elite, because they do go many days before making their preparation,
50:19
because here they demand adaptation. The whole schedule thing that hits really hard.
50:25
Let' s just say I didn' t leave the country for a
50:29
run many years ago. Then it was a super good motivation and we went
50:31
with this group of athletes and it was very, very enriching, because,
50:37
well, friends, has a lot of time. No yes, yes,
50:38
for let' s say that with some of them I met recently, about
50:44
a year or two years ago, maybe, but it' s like we
50:46
met for years and then there was like a camaraderie and we also prepared the
50:52
marathon, which you say you have the privilege of running with the Chileans.
50:55
And so, clearly they were going at another pace. But then, being
50:59
there with him on the lot, because we always did like those funds,
51:04
we always made them together at an average of four or three hundred fifty.
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When we made those funds for sopoo on different routes, then it was an
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extra motivation to travel with them was very, very, cool, very enriching,
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because we were all hosted in the same department, the same Irbnb.
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Then we pretended that one does not feel so alone when one travels. When
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I traveled to Buenos Aires, I traveled just like one feels like one feels
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in nothing, like yes, then it was like that cheve, like that
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support, like being there, being with them, feeling that support and being
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in that great race that was the marathon of how you felt in the cotal
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race, that is, in the race I felt very good. Super good.
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Let' s just say I wasn' t optimal in preparation. Clearly
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it doesn' t make it angular either many kilometers as they did, because
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they obviously made two hundred or one hundred and fifty, as in my elite
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one hundred and eighty weekly, yes, weekly manale. It' s not
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like we do that in the mensl, but they know what I' m
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telling them. I only managed to accumulate about one hundred and thirty a week,
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that is, I couldn' t do more. They kept a hundred,
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twenty, one hundred and thirty because they didn' t give me more.
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I mean, time. Time. And because that was like the plan
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the cap yes, then also it is possible to remove that myth also that
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you have to run two hundred and a half kilometers. Yes, clearly,
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because to feel in the legs to have that sense of mileage, yes or
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yes, you have to make volume for a marathon and at least, because
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about three four months before starting. I started in October when, then,
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I started the preparation again with Mauro for exactly one year, I started again
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with them. Well, and in October decided, then, to start firmly
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with the preparation, I had a street on the bike. Then I also
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felt like I didn' t have to stop for a week and a half
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because I hit my bike hard and started with the discomfort of the achille tendon,
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because I never totally stayed. It didn' t heal well. Then
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I sometimes feel the discomfort, but let' s say I managed to cope
53:30
there with the issue of aids, physios, with recovery, with neural therapy,
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also there at the gym in ze four. So super well, and
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there I kind of started to train and I started to train and like when
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you also have that goal, you have like that projection and that extra motivation
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that well, I' m going to run a marathon, I' m
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going to go with everything, because let' s say that thanks to all
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that preparation, for a long time in the sport I had like that Hueta,
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she sure, that natural footprint of being able to run and feeling good
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and answering your question, would be brutal in that perfect race. I mean,
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it was very cold, it was very cold, but in general,
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yes, the cold was brutal. Two ss, thirty- two hours thirty,
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two hours, thirty, thirty- one. It' s the ruler
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He marked me two thirty fourteen. That was the plan, or was it
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better than the plan? It was better than the plan, because let'
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s say I wanted to run under two twenty- five, that is,
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it was a little ambitious what I wanted, but already looking at the numbers
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and detailing everything I did in preparation with my coach and others, because it
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didn' t give me. It didn' t give me to run that
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two twenty- five, because, because that' s how much I was
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this one that put Mauricio between two twenty- eight, two, thirty-
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one, two, thirty- two, perfect, yes, more or less
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right, yes, but then they knew like two career plans, do the
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negative split or start, let' s say hard or yes, let'
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s say, but at that moment I think I felt I didn' t
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take any plans. So, you know, I never looked at the clock.
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I never looked at the clock and then, looking at the sclits,
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I ran for thirty miles to three hundred, three hundred thirty three, traina,
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three sixty- one, thirty- one, three- thirty, thirty,
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that is to say, very without looking at the clock already after thirty
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kilometer and I already looked at it and you did well. There I go
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well, and I try to be like him, with the lot that went
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there, like some elite girls used to. So, and that wasn'
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t going to say in the broadcast, we saw that lots had been fed
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up, if lots had been fed up, that was because I mean,
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I went into my ignorance if it was easy to stick some lot, because
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if we saw several Colombians there, among them the monkey, I don'
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t know if you know him, if of course, between the lots,
55:49
between the characters and the world, then there were several of the ones where
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you could hit yourself, there were several rhythms that you wanted to wear the
55:52
women. Him and you' ve come in there exactly. If there'
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s any say that' s the good thing, too, and I'
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ve never been like in a race of that level. Also not because they
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go do the National Championship of Spain marathon, they go two better athletes to
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look for their Olympic brands or to look for their staff you see. I
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mean, it' s a lot of athletes that you have there, a
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lot of lots to beat you up, anyway, not to be alone,
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because even when you' re left alone, start playing the game. Mind
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it, mind it all, yes, exactly then what you say was the
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group of girls, elite that was there like it will be like the pace
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to make two, twenty, two, twenty- five aha, but I
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was as well very cautious. I came out like not so strong, but
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I felt like I could go stronger conservative. Yes, I went out very
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conservative, because I said, well, it' s forty- two kilometers,
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the most I did in a background here in Bogotá. It was thirty
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- five and yes, to four or so, or three, fifty-
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nine and so on. Well, but they started to bother, too,
56:55
because I had that pain in my tendon gave me a pulgia. Then I
57:02
started as well to feel a little anxious and stressed out, because I said
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I' m not going to go like shit anymore, with preparation and so
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on. But let' s just say that I was very strong mentally as
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well and in the race, super- well, and the atmosphere very cool,
57:22
that' s a brutal environment to run in that seville marathon, to
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play it inside the yes, please get the ones that goes is the goal
57:31
and what you think the first time comes to mind. When I look at
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the clock, I was cool. I made it, I mean, I
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made it. I got it right. I know everyone comes in and throws
57:42
themselves on the floor like nothing gets wrapped up, and I got here very
57:45
well. I only had one pain, like in the quadriceps. So I
57:51
think I put there in a post that had the full tank, I mean,
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I felt like I came in with the full tank. I was with
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the people who were on the lot, all of them already super drowned.
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I was normal, but that' s a point to work. I didn
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' t have like strength in my legs, I didn' t have like
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legs to go to what I wanted and that was less than three hundred thirty.
58:12
So there' s a lot of improvement on the force issue, because
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if I had that, I got super good when I passed the finish line
58:22
I said I didn' t make it anymore. It came to me,
58:23
as well as all those thoughts. It' s a very emotional subject,
58:29
too, when you run the marathon and it comes down to everything you want.
58:32
I don' t know how to scream, cry, I don'
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t know it' s a shock there well, well, strong of emotions,
58:40
it all comes to mind of everything I had to go through from everything
58:44
I trained. So it' s nice how to finish and that distance,
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which is brutal, one says no forty- two is but it' s
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a reference to running, running marathon again. You liked the yes, I
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was very motivated, that very motivated the truth and I think I will start
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as well to prepare myself to run right now, because I am already for
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the half Marathon of Medellin, maybe in Bogotá. I don' t know
59:14
yet, but I do want to start running stockings and start getting better like
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those distances for because I do want to keep going down, because I know
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I can, I can keep going down from two thirty trying to find the
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two twenty- five and I want how to try. I think I'
59:29
m also, like, biting the thing about running the half- clear stockings,
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let' s say all of them. Yeah, I think with that
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two- thirty I think they can all the guetas and all then that'
59:43
s the project, like still in the marathon and keep trying and keep going
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down the times. Super well, well, let' s just throw it
59:51
out and spend almost an hour we' re going to close the podcast with
59:55
a question that we always ask, that lately we' re forgetting to do
1:00:00
And it' s you what you would say to a person who' s
1:00:04
starting in the role a tip, that you want to give a person who
1:00:16
never stop to do it from heart, that they always have a guide,
1:00:23
that they advise on a specialized person, a professional in the sport that is
1:00:29
very important and that always look for a dream and that it' s never
1:00:32
too late to achieve it, that they don' t allow so many things
1:00:36
that tell us to woe that you run, that what laziness, what you
1:00:40
earn from it how much they give you to go there or whether you won
1:00:45
or not, so that you win yes won or what happened, yes no?
1:00:45
No. I' m just going for my shirt and I' m
1:00:47
going to upload the post on Instagram then, but it' s like they
1:00:54
follow that path, if they want to enter the Rubin, they do it
1:01:00
in a progressive way, they don' t start looking like those long distances
1:01:06
that do the whole process, not that they take so long to debut in
1:01:09
marathon as I am who I am, but as you said, that it
1:01:15
' s like a process, a process that we say gets along well and
1:01:20
that we say that, beyond that, it' s being able to deliver
1:01:23
like that well- being that you need for your life. This gives you
1:01:24
a very brutal mental and physical health issue, and that you continue to cultivate
1:01:30
that temple that is your body and take it to the limit, but with
1:01:35
a lot of total responsibility. Well, we thank you for being here in
1:01:39
that space, for telling us your story, very cool a lot of motivation
1:01:45
on your part for everyone who' s listening to that podcast, for us
1:01:49
too, because what you say is sometimes very easy to give up and leave
1:01:52
things. And now, but this bearing teaches one that with hard work and
1:01:57
discipline, anything can be accomplished. I mean, we' ve done it.
1:02:00
So maybe for people it sounds silly, but we' ve achieved some
1:02:05
things that two years ago we started running, we' d say that we
1:02:08
' ll never be able to achieve it then with hard work discipline. Thank
1:02:12
you for coming here to tell that story in that space. Not you too.
1:02:15
Thank you so much for the invitation and have the privilege of being here
1:02:20
in Runin. Since it is a very chevery initiative, we have already chapter
1:02:23
fifty and have the privilege of sitting here, because they have passed tremendous personalities.
1:02:30
Then very grateful. No, it' s our privilege to interview all
1:02:34
of you. That' s something we always talk to my brother and we
1:02:37
have our children within reach of a Whatsapp, an instagram, and not like
1:02:43
footballers, which is better said to have a footballer all of a sudden here.
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