Latest / Booked On Rock with Eric Senich / Epic And Infamous Moments That Defined Rock Music [Episode 295]
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- 0:00Speaker 1: The Kings played a show organized by John Wayne Gacy.
- 0:03Speaker 1: It's true. Our guest is Andrew Crayman. He's the author
- 0:07Speaker 1: of The Rock and Roll Almanac. We've got that story
- 0:10Speaker 1: and a whole lot more coming up next.
- 0:12Speaker 2: We're totally booming rock and roll. I mean, I'll leave you.
- 0:17Speaker 2: You're reading Little Hands since it's time.
- 0:18Speaker 3: To rock and roll, Rock Roll Out, I totally booked.
- 0:28Speaker 1: Welcome back to Booked on Rock and Eric Sanach this episode,
- 0:30Speaker 1: it's a guest is Andrew Crainman. He's the author of
- 0:34Speaker 1: the fantastic new book titled The Rock and Roll Almanac,
- 0:38Speaker 1: a day by day journey through seventy years of legendary
- 0:41Speaker 1: music history. Welcome to the podcast, Andrew.
- 0:44Speaker 2: Thank you, sir. I'm delighted to be here.
- 0:46Speaker 1: Look where you are. You look very relaxed. You were
- 0:49Speaker 1: in our vacation.
- 0:50Speaker 2: It's not a vacation.
- 0:51Speaker 3: I'm in a friend's summer cabin here in the Finish Archipelago.
- 0:55Speaker 2: But I hope I look relaxed.
- 0:57Speaker 3: I we just arrived like thirty minutes ago, and there's
- 1:00Speaker 3: no electricity, and you know there should I was hoping
- 1:05Speaker 3: that there should be a table here, something that I
- 1:06Speaker 3: can put my stuff on and now I'm sitting on
- 1:09Speaker 3: a little stool and the computer is on a keg
- 1:12Speaker 3: or something. So okay, okay, it's really nice that it
- 1:15Speaker 3: comes to you as it relaxed.
- 1:17Speaker 1: So before we get into some of the bands and
- 1:19Speaker 1: the artists and the albums and songs in the book,
- 1:21Speaker 1: tell us about the book. This is chronological to day
- 1:23Speaker 1: by day. It goes back seventy years, and you have
- 1:27Speaker 1: singles of the day, album of the day. So tell
- 1:30Speaker 1: us how it's all set up.
- 1:32Speaker 3: Many of the music history books are specific on one
- 1:36Speaker 3: band or one setting, or one era or something. I
- 1:40Speaker 3: think this is the rock and roll Bible, if you
- 1:43Speaker 3: want to say, it has a single today.
- 1:45Speaker 2: Every day some single was released.
- 1:47Speaker 3: Every day an album was released, and I did have
- 1:51Speaker 3: to pick some. You know, there was good albums, there
- 1:54Speaker 3: were good singles, but these are, in my opinion, the
- 1:58Speaker 3: most important one for that day. And it's it's funny
- 2:03Speaker 3: because when I was searching for the data and writing
- 2:07Speaker 3: the manuscript, I just stumbled on the fact that it
- 2:10Speaker 3: is actually seventy years of rock, the seventh decade of rock,
- 2:15Speaker 3: because I think in well, in my books, it was
- 2:20Speaker 3: nineteen fifty five Bill Haley and his comets rock around
- 2:24Speaker 3: the Clock, Chuck Berry, Little Richard.
- 2:27Speaker 2: That's I think.
- 2:28Speaker 3: That's when the rock and roll became mainstream, and you
- 2:31Speaker 3: know it all started. So that's why the seventy years
- 2:34Speaker 3: of rock.
- 2:34Speaker 1: How did the idea come up? You said it was
- 2:36Speaker 1: a night out with your bandmates. You're musicians, So we'll
- 2:39Speaker 1: go back to two thousand and eight.
- 2:40Speaker 2: Yeah, December eleventh, two thousand and eight, and it was
- 2:44Speaker 2: it was we were both my bandmates. We were drinking beer.
- 2:47Speaker 3: I stumbled on the fact that it was the tenth
- 2:50Speaker 3: anniversary of the death of James lind Streit, who was
- 2:54Speaker 3: a front man of the band Nu Medal Bands Not
- 2:58Speaker 3: And I was listening to the I'm a huge metal head,
- 3:01Speaker 3: and so I burned a CD as one did back
- 3:06Speaker 3: in the day, took it with me.
- 3:07Speaker 2: We were listening to it with the guys.
- 3:10Speaker 3: You know, it's a great album, the only one that
- 3:12Speaker 3: they have, and we were thinking about the big what if,
- 3:16Speaker 3: you know, what if James Lenstrait was still alive, how
- 3:18Speaker 3: would the band be now? And then it occurred to
- 3:22Speaker 3: me that there should be every day has a story,
- 3:25Speaker 3: someone has born, someone has died, a new album came,
- 3:30Speaker 3: and you know, the Golden Ages rock and roll, when
- 3:34Speaker 3: the rock and roll kings and queens had too much money,
- 3:38Speaker 3: too much time, and too many drugs on their hands,
- 3:41Speaker 3: they made some peculiar stuff. So it kind of I
- 3:47Speaker 3: think it was ten years ago that I thought that, Okay,
- 3:51Speaker 3: perhaps I'm making app. Everybody was making apps then, but
- 3:55Speaker 3: I'm really really thankful that I didn't do it because
- 3:59Speaker 3: we are so screen oriented these days. So I think
- 4:03Speaker 3: something that you can have in your hands, perhaps give
- 4:07Speaker 3: as a gift to someone is it means much more
- 4:10Speaker 3: to me than just, you know, an app.
- 4:13Speaker 1: And books have far outlasted the changes in technology. I
- 4:18Speaker 1: was talking about this recently with a guest. The books
- 4:21Speaker 1: are really the only thing nowadays where you can't you
- 4:24Speaker 1: still can't beat the value of a book in your hands.
- 4:28Speaker 1: This book particularly, you would like to have rather than
- 4:33Speaker 1: an app, because this is a conversation piece. This is
- 4:35Speaker 1: something you can have when your family, friends are over,
- 4:39Speaker 1: pick it up, look through it, start chatting. You can't
- 4:42Speaker 1: do that with an app that easily unless somebody, you know,
- 4:45Speaker 1: everybody's got their phones out. But you know what I mean,
- 4:47Speaker 1: this is right down in front of everybody. Yeah, which
- 4:50Speaker 1: is what I love. What are the sources that you
- 4:52Speaker 1: because like January first, One of the entries is January first,
- 4:56Speaker 1: nineteen sixty. The golliwogs are Berkeley, California, Swamp Band formerly
- 5:00Speaker 1: known as the Blue Velvet's rebrand as Creten's clear Water Revival,
- 5:04Speaker 1: you know, stuff like that. What were the sources and
- 5:06Speaker 1: how long did it take to compile all of these
- 5:09Speaker 1: for the book?
- 5:10Speaker 3: Well, that's another thing that I'm happy that I did
- 5:13Speaker 3: it in the in the last year that I did,
- 5:16Speaker 3: because ten years ago I would have to move to
- 5:19Speaker 3: a library. Because now everything is online. You can find
- 5:24Speaker 3: all the stuff. So I think I had ten or
- 5:28Speaker 3: fifteen or twenty different sites that I was just you know,
- 5:30Speaker 3: cross checking, searching. I started with the date, put all
- 5:35Speaker 3: everything that I considered rock and roll. Put under that date,
- 5:40Speaker 3: every birth, every death, and then at some point, you know, oh,
- 5:44Speaker 3: this is a better story.
- 5:45Speaker 2: I have to put this had to make room for
- 5:49Speaker 2: better stories. But you know, it's a day by day.
- 5:52Speaker 3: Cross checking from different websites and hopefully it's all true,
- 5:57Speaker 3: because there's rock and roll law. You know, you never
- 6:00Speaker 3: know what is actually true and what is not sure.
- 6:03Speaker 1: We mentioned this book goes back seventy years was the
- 6:07Speaker 1: very earliest entry rock around the Clock.
- 6:10Speaker 3: The earliest entries are, of course, they are the birthdays.
- 6:14Speaker 3: There's Link Ray who is born in nineteen twenty nine,
- 6:17Speaker 3: Johnny Cass, Carl Perkins nineteen thirty two, Elvis Presley and
- 6:22Speaker 3: Early Lewis were born in thirty five, Okay, Buddy Holy
- 6:26Speaker 3: thirty six.
- 6:27Speaker 1: Yeah, so if you go with dates of birth, then
- 6:28Speaker 1: you're going to go all the way back.
- 6:30Speaker 3: Yeah, and the earliest is link Ray I think in
- 6:32Speaker 3: nineteen twenty nine if I'm correct, But the first ones
- 6:36Speaker 3: are nineteen fifty one. That are, you know, truly the
- 6:40Speaker 3: stories like an event. Yeah, it's eleventh of July. If
- 6:45Speaker 3: you want to look it up, it's nineteen fifty one.
- 6:48Speaker 3: Rock and roll gets its name, you know, sort of
- 6:51Speaker 3: a There's a Cleveland DJ who launches his moon Dog
- 6:54Speaker 3: House rock and Roll Party on WJW radio, and he's
- 6:59Speaker 3: one of the first who popularized the phrase rock and roll.
- 7:02Speaker 1: Know him very well, Alan Freed, being a longtime radio guy.
- 7:06Speaker 1: He's the guy we all salute. He's the guy who
- 7:09Speaker 1: he really started it all off. He used to have
- 7:13Speaker 1: concerts he would put together and they were considered the
- 7:15Speaker 1: first rock and roll concerts, which the first one was
- 7:18Speaker 1: in Cleveland, which is why the Rock and Roll Hall
- 7:19Speaker 1: of Fame is in Cleveland. That's the whole connection to
- 7:22Speaker 1: why that's in Cleveland, all right.
- 7:24Speaker 3: And the second one from nineteen fifty one is eighteen
- 7:27Speaker 3: year old Richard Pennyman, already performing as Little Richard, steps
- 7:32Speaker 3: into the studio for the first time, recording his early tracks.
- 7:36Speaker 3: So it goes from there. This one that I still
- 7:40Speaker 3: wanted to mention, and here it's nineteen forty five, a
- 7:43Speaker 3: ten year old Elvis Presley takes the stage for the
- 7:46Speaker 3: first time at a talent contest.
- 7:48Speaker 2: He didn't win, but you know, I think so.
- 7:53Speaker 1: For those watching a video, that's how set up. So
- 7:55Speaker 1: at the top of each page you got the single,
- 7:57Speaker 1: the single released on that day, and the album release
- 7:59Speaker 1: on that day, which is cool. So that gets it started,
- 8:02Speaker 1: and then you get into some of the entries as
- 8:03Speaker 1: you go through. So that's really cool, really good. And
- 8:06Speaker 1: then for would you talk about how you knew you'd
- 8:09Speaker 1: enjoy writing the book but it turned out to be
- 8:11Speaker 1: so much more than you expect. And this is that
- 8:13Speaker 1: you write in the book quote you truly can't underestimate
- 8:16Speaker 1: the ingenuity of people with too much money, too much time,
- 8:18Speaker 1: and too many drugs. What are some of the stories
- 8:21Speaker 1: that for you really stand out going back to the
- 8:24Speaker 1: early part of the book, like January fourth, nineteen seventy
- 8:27Speaker 1: to Who's Keith Moon accidentally runs over and kills the
- 8:31Speaker 1: show fur while trying to flee a fight with skin
- 8:33Speaker 1: heads at a pub. That's a wild one. What are
- 8:35Speaker 1: some of the ones that really stand out to you?
- 8:37Speaker 3: Well, I think there's so many. If I haven't miscalculated,
- 8:41Speaker 3: there's two seven hundred and fifty one of these anecdotes in.
- 8:45Speaker 1: And I expect you to know every single one. We're
- 8:48Speaker 1: gonna go through each other one.
- 8:50Speaker 2: We'll be a long show and along edit.
- 8:52Speaker 1: For you afterwards part one of one hundred episodes.
- 8:57Speaker 3: So there's no shortage off of why drug moments in history.
- 9:01Speaker 3: But I think one of the craziest was when Kiss
- 9:04Speaker 3: donated wiles of their own blood to be mixed with
- 9:07Speaker 3: ink to be printed on a Marvel comic book.
- 9:10Speaker 1: And there's some funny moments or some cool we we're
- 9:12Speaker 1: going to talk about the John Wayne Gacy one with
- 9:15Speaker 1: the Kinks is insane, a serial killer promotes a King's Concert,
- 9:20Speaker 1: which we'll get to in a bit teaser.
- 9:24Speaker 3: And two that stand out the most was when the
- 9:28Speaker 3: organized It's April eighth, the organizers for two thy twelve
- 9:34Speaker 3: London Olympic Games. They reached out to the Who's management
- 9:39Speaker 3: asking if Keith Moon could be available to perform.
- 9:43Speaker 1: I remember, I remember that story. How can how how
- 9:49Speaker 1: can you be that clueless? Yeah, you can't google. You
- 9:52Speaker 1: can't google the current WHO lineup?
- 9:56Speaker 3: And it was the management said that he died as
- 10:00Speaker 3: as he wrote, I hope I died before I get old.
- 10:02Speaker 2: He really did that? Oh?
- 10:04Speaker 1: I mean, how do you not get offended by that?
- 10:06Speaker 1: Pete Townsend Roger Doltry like, excuse me, but he's been
- 10:10Speaker 1: dead for the last however many years, I don't know,
- 10:13Speaker 1: thirty Yeah, I.
- 10:15Speaker 3: Think it was seventy eight when he died. So the
- 10:18Speaker 3: next that I thought was funny. Everybody knows the story
- 10:21Speaker 3: about Ozzy Osborne biting the head of the Bats, but
- 10:26Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen, Ozzy Osborne embraces in his own legacy
- 10:32Speaker 3: by releasing an official plush bat with a detachable head.
- 10:36Speaker 3: You know, I love that they made fun for him.
- 10:42Speaker 3: You can buy it, doll you know, so.
- 10:45Speaker 1: Well, kiss has some great ones. Is a kiss casket
- 10:48Speaker 1: in there in the book? Yeah, a kiss cat. I
- 10:52Speaker 1: mean that kiss has some great ones. Kisses, you know,
- 10:55Speaker 1: they are the ultimate when it came to promotion. Well,
- 10:58Speaker 1: let's we're in the month of June now, So since
- 11:01Speaker 1: we're in the month of June, let's run through some
- 11:03Speaker 1: of the entries from this month. I plucked out some
- 11:05Speaker 1: of my favorites here throughout the book. On the day
- 11:09Speaker 1: I was born, actually June second, nineteen seventy two, Pink
- 11:12Speaker 1: Floyd released Obscured by Clouds, their seventh studio album, comes
- 11:15Speaker 1: together in anunther two weeks while the band is in
- 11:18Speaker 1: Paris a couple of cool stones events. Charlie Watts born
- 11:23Speaker 1: June second, nineteen forty one. I always knew that because
- 11:25Speaker 1: every time, every time it's my birthday, I'm like, yeah,
- 11:27Speaker 1: me and Charlie they made also made their US TV
- 11:31Speaker 1: debut on June second, nineteen sixty four. Fresh off the
- 11:35Speaker 1: plane for the first ever US tour, they sit down
- 11:37Speaker 1: for an interview on The Less Crane Show. When asked
- 11:40Speaker 1: if they're thrilled about their American TV debut, Keith Richards
- 11:44Speaker 1: delivers a dry classic Richards response, Yeah, knocks me out.
- 11:50Speaker 1: There's June second. How about Springsteen released Born in the
- 11:53Speaker 1: USA June fourth, nineteen eighty four. Do you have an
- 11:57Speaker 1: all time favorite band or artists?
- 11:58Speaker 2: I really cannot say one. It depends on the date.
- 12:02Speaker 3: Today it's something, tomorrow it's something more. But you did
- 12:06Speaker 3: ask me before if I had the.
- 12:09Speaker 1: Best top five greatest bands or yeah, I have.
- 12:13Speaker 3: You know, I have to think about think about it,
- 12:15Speaker 3: and I have been given it some thought. It's it's
- 12:18Speaker 3: you know, that's the kind of question that you know
- 12:21Speaker 3: starts fights and ends friendships.
- 12:24Speaker 2: But if I had to name just the five greatest bands.
- 12:29Speaker 3: I would go with the Beatles, Rolling Stones, led Zeppelin,
- 12:34Speaker 3: Queen and Nirvana the third.
- 12:39Speaker 2: You know, with the Beatles.
- 12:42Speaker 3: If some of the kids listening now youngsters.
- 12:45Speaker 2: I'm in my early forties.
- 12:46Speaker 3: But you know, I don't think I knew how much
- 12:51Speaker 3: good music Beatles did. I think Old Bloody and Obloody
- 12:56Speaker 3: turned me off the path of really recognising the Beatles.
- 13:01Speaker 3: But I have been listening to them quite much lately. Yeah,
- 13:08Speaker 3: And they did so many kinds of music and had
- 13:11Speaker 3: so much fun. And you know, if you think about
- 13:16Speaker 3: the Walrus, it's just you know, one big f you
- 13:22Speaker 3: to the music music critics. You'll find this thing again
- 13:27Speaker 3: in the book and the Rolling Stones because.
- 13:32Speaker 2: They are still performing live.
- 13:34Speaker 1: Amazing.
- 13:35Speaker 2: How old does these guys it's.
- 13:37Speaker 1: Eighty, they're around eighty, and Charlie Watts would have been
- 13:40Speaker 1: in his mid to late eighties.
- 13:42Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's amazing, that's amazing.
- 13:45Speaker 3: Of course, let's Zeppelin, what they did, what kind of
- 13:49Speaker 3: sounds and different kinds of things they brought to it.
- 13:53Speaker 2: And I think Queen is.
- 13:54Speaker 3: There because of Freddy Mercury. Of course they made awesome music,
- 13:59Speaker 3: but he's iconic vocals made the band.
- 14:02Speaker 2: I think what it is.
- 14:04Speaker 1: Now this is there are two different types of list
- 14:06Speaker 1: you could you could make. There's one what's your favorite
- 14:09Speaker 1: five favorite bands? Or this is really an objective top
- 14:13Speaker 1: five greatest bands and artists of all time? You can
- 14:16Speaker 1: it could change if it's if you're talking about your
- 14:17Speaker 1: personal favorites.
- 14:19Speaker 3: Yeah, if if you, if you ask me tomorrow, that
- 14:22Speaker 3: that might be you know, Foo Fighters, Bruce Springsteeing's easy
- 14:26Speaker 3: top It's hard, it's hard, but.
- 14:28Speaker 1: I'm sorry I interrupted. Yeah you you so you talked
- 14:31Speaker 1: about Queen and Freddie Mercury.
- 14:33Speaker 4: Next would be Yeah, Nirvana, Nirvanairvana, do you know, because
- 14:37Speaker 4: what they started, I think they kicked the grunch from
- 14:42Speaker 4: the ground and it was Nirvana Mania like it was
- 14:47Speaker 4: Beatlemania back in the in the sixties and seventies.
- 14:50Speaker 1: Last shift changing rock and roll band. Last. Some would
- 14:53Speaker 1: say maybe the last great rock and roll band. Yeah,
- 14:57Speaker 1: So for me, I guess top five greatest band. Gotta
- 15:01Speaker 1: go with the Beatles.
- 15:02Speaker 4: One.
- 15:03Speaker 1: I gotta go with Zeppelin, two Stone's three, I say
- 15:08Speaker 1: Pink Floyd.
- 15:09Speaker 2: Four.
- 15:11Speaker 1: The five spot is tough, you know, I'm gonna go
- 15:14Speaker 1: with Grateful Dead and I'm gonna say the Dead just
- 15:18Speaker 1: because of what they did was so unusual and so
- 15:22Speaker 1: different than any other rock and roll band. They built
- 15:26Speaker 1: this empire on the music and the fans together. I
- 15:31Speaker 1: just interviewed their publicist, Dennis mcnalan. He said, usually when
- 15:36Speaker 1: you're when you're a publicists for a band, they're looking
- 15:39Speaker 1: to get attention. These guys didn't want it. They actually
- 15:43Speaker 1: went about it a whole different way. And then by
- 15:45Speaker 1: allowing recordings and changing up the set list every night,
- 15:49Speaker 1: it just built the fan base up more and more
- 15:52Speaker 1: because if you missed one show, you would regret it
- 15:55Speaker 1: because they would change the set list up. If you
- 15:57Speaker 1: did go to one show, you're gonna want to go
- 15:59Speaker 1: to the next one because it's not going to be
- 16:00Speaker 1: the same as last night. And then also it's just
- 16:03Speaker 1: advertising the band when you're exchanging tapes. So I thought
- 16:07Speaker 1: that was fascinating. But the Beatles really just set the standard.
- 16:10Speaker 2: Yeah, who did I second?
- 16:12Speaker 1: I had Zeppelin because from a heavy heavy metal or
- 16:15Speaker 1: a hard rock standpoint, they are the Beatles of hard
- 16:20Speaker 1: rock a metal although they did so many different kinds,
- 16:23Speaker 1: so many styles of music, but still Zeppelin was like
- 16:27Speaker 1: the template for what every rock and roal band would
- 16:29Speaker 1: be after that. Yeah, the Stones just for longevity, but
- 16:33Speaker 1: also the body of work. Now they've had a lot
- 16:35Speaker 1: of albums where there's some duds in there, but overall
- 16:39Speaker 1: that run that they had in the mid late sixties
- 16:42Speaker 1: the mid seventies, I mean, that's it's unreal what they
- 16:46Speaker 1: pulled off, and those songs are timeless. And yeah, they
- 16:50Speaker 1: also set the standard because at one time it was
- 16:53Speaker 1: they were considered old in the mid seventies when they
- 16:55Speaker 1: hit their thirties, and they've set the standard. They've basically
- 16:58Speaker 1: said it's okay to rock until you're eighty. Maybe they'll
- 17:02Speaker 1: still be here when they're ninety. I don't know. Pink Floyd,
- 17:06Speaker 1: just Pink Floyd to me, Ducks out of the Moon
- 17:08Speaker 1: is the greatest rock and the album of all time
- 17:11Speaker 1: because it relates to everybody, and the music is brilliant
- 17:14Speaker 1: and their body of work. And that's an example of
- 17:17Speaker 1: a band name becoming bigger than the band members themselves.
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- 18:11Speaker 1: How about top five greatest albums of all time? I
- 18:15Speaker 1: named number one, which is Dark Side of the Moon
- 18:18Speaker 1: my number one.
- 18:19Speaker 2: I tried and I tried, and I couldn't decide.
- 18:23Speaker 1: Back in Black ac DC. Yes, you know, if you
- 18:26Speaker 1: look at some of the biggest selling albums of all time,
- 18:29Speaker 1: Eagles Hotel California.
- 18:31Speaker 3: Oh that's I just bought it as a vinyl whol
- 18:35Speaker 3: two or three weeks ago from a second headshot.
- 18:38Speaker 2: I just you know, I didn't know. He was amazed
- 18:41Speaker 2: that I found it.
- 18:42Speaker 3: It's the original, first first print, and it was in
- 18:47Speaker 3: great condition, and it was cheap. I don't know if
- 18:49Speaker 3: if Eagles are not recognized enough here in the Nordics,
- 18:54Speaker 3: I didn't.
- 18:55Speaker 2: Know, but but it is. It is still a great
- 18:58Speaker 2: album after all these years.
- 19:00Speaker 1: Zeppelon one, Zeppon two, Zeppan four, those three right there
- 19:03Speaker 1: are huge. Yeah all day. Yeah. It is a hard question,
- 19:08Speaker 1: is question?
- 19:09Speaker 2: It is so hard.
- 19:10Speaker 1: I mean, personally, for me, I love Van Hill and
- 19:12Speaker 1: Van Hill and One.
- 19:12Speaker 2: The debut album nineteen eighty four is awesome.
- 19:16Speaker 1: It's my favorite personal favorite album by the band.
- 19:19Speaker 3: And I have I also have it as a vinyl
- 19:22Speaker 3: it was my father's, you know, my late father. So
- 19:25Speaker 3: I am cherishing it. I'm a metal has so there's
- 19:29Speaker 3: you know, yeah, what about Metallica, Well, yes and no. Metallica,
- 19:33Speaker 3: yes and no. They have but I've heard them all
- 19:37Speaker 3: so many times. You know, they are repeatedly played in radio,
- 19:41Speaker 3: and I think I've heard them too a bit.
- 19:45Speaker 1: Too much, Okay, because I just say Master of Poppets.
- 19:47Speaker 2: Is it is good. But because I'm born in the
- 19:52Speaker 2: mid eighties, I wasn't a metal head at that time.
- 19:57Speaker 3: I I you know, I first found I think it
- 19:59Speaker 3: was Limp Biscuits Significant Other and I think, no, no, no,
- 20:06Speaker 3: the first Limp.
- 20:07Speaker 2: Biscuit album, what's it called? Three Dollars Bill y'all? And
- 20:11Speaker 2: that that was it.
- 20:12Speaker 1: And then the cover of Faith by George michael On there.
- 20:16Speaker 2: I think that was. That was the one that lured
- 20:18Speaker 2: me in. I was I was listening to it that
- 20:20Speaker 2: what's this? This is fun? You know, this is fun?
- 20:23Speaker 2: And after that system of a down.
- 20:26Speaker 3: Oh there's so many pass in the nineties, I am
- 20:30Speaker 3: definitely corn. One of the first CDIs that I bought
- 20:33Speaker 3: was Cordon's Follow the Leader. So I I don't know
- 20:40Speaker 3: if it's in your in your in your questions, But
- 20:44Speaker 3: I am thinking about the next one, and it should
- 20:48Speaker 3: be Heavy Metal Almanac.
- 20:50Speaker 2: This is what I think.
- 20:51Speaker 3: This was kind of kind of easy to find all
- 20:55Speaker 3: the bands to all the stories because I knew ninety
- 20:58Speaker 3: percent of the songs that were mentioned. I knew ninety
- 21:01Speaker 3: percent of the bands, and if I didn't know, I
- 21:04Speaker 3: used to, you know, just spotify this sound.
- 21:07Speaker 2: Oh well, this is rock and roll enough for the book.
- 21:11Speaker 2: And I think I know heavy metal also, and.
- 21:14Speaker 3: You know, I think it will be a great step next.
- 21:18Speaker 3: And the metal heads are you know, a tight group.
- 21:22Speaker 3: If something is heavy metal, it's ours. So there's a
- 21:26Speaker 3: possibility that someone by the book.
- 21:29Speaker 1: Also, you could have a series. Really, if these do well,
- 21:32Speaker 1: you could do all sorts of genres that would be
- 21:35Speaker 1: cool metal.
- 21:36Speaker 2: Yeah, why is it not?
- 21:37Speaker 1: Metal? Is a great idea. Plus, like I say, it's
- 21:39Speaker 1: right down strike Zone. Andrew Craman is the author of
- 21:41Speaker 1: The Rock and Roll Almanac. At Day by Day, Journey
- 21:43Speaker 1: through seventy years of Legendary music history. June first, nineteen
- 21:47Speaker 1: eighty seven, an important day in grunge history. Soundgun released
- 21:50Speaker 1: their first single, hunted Down, on sub Pop Records. The
- 21:53Speaker 1: official arrival of the Seattle scene soon to be rulers.
- 21:57Speaker 1: I always have to remember that the history of Grund
- 22:00Speaker 1: goes pretty far back nineteen eighty seven. That's during the
- 22:04Speaker 1: hairband era. How about a cool def Leopard entry June sixth,
- 22:10Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine. Def Leopard's career changing gig takes place
- 22:15Speaker 1: not in a stadium, but at a Sheffield Workingmen's club,
- 22:18Speaker 1: playing Crooks Workingmen's Club. The young rockers get their first
- 22:22Speaker 1: major press when UK music magazine Sounds reviews the show.
- 22:26Speaker 1: The buzz from the article leads to a recording contract
- 22:28Speaker 1: with Phonogram Records, setting Deaf Leopard on the path to
- 22:31Speaker 1: rock superstardom. I like that one because I'm a huge
- 22:34Speaker 1: Deaf Leopard fan, so I picked that one out. They
- 22:36Speaker 1: opened for ACDC here early on here in the States.
- 22:39Speaker 3: In the US, there's so many stories that someone has
- 22:42Speaker 3: opened for someone else and then they became too big.
- 22:46Speaker 2: Who was it that had some.
- 22:50Speaker 1: Vanhalen opened for Black Sabbath blow them off the stage? Yeah,
- 22:54Speaker 1: there are stories of unusual opening acts like the Beastie
- 22:57Speaker 1: Boys opening for Madonna, Jimmy Hendrix opening for the Monkeys.
- 23:03Speaker 2: Yes, definitely.
- 23:05Speaker 1: Is there a year that really stood out to you
- 23:06Speaker 1: in the book that you had to really pare down.
- 23:09Speaker 1: There was a lot happening.
- 23:10Speaker 3: Nineteen seventy seven is one of those that stands out.
- 23:14Speaker 3: You know, punk was exploding, Disco was peaking, and you
- 23:17Speaker 3: know the classic rock giants like Zeppelin and Pink Foix
- 23:21Speaker 3: was still in full swing.
- 23:23Speaker 2: And it's a year where you.
- 23:25Speaker 3: Can find a Ramones gig and the Beg's hit and
- 23:28Speaker 3: the Fleetwood Mac Drama all in the same week.
- 23:31Speaker 2: So you know that the contrast is so big.
- 23:35Speaker 1: You're right, an FM rock radio was really started to
- 23:38Speaker 1: take off. Yeah, how about specific decade? Was the seventies
- 23:41Speaker 1: the most important or noteworthy?
- 23:43Speaker 3: I think it was the richest. You know, it had
- 23:46Speaker 3: everything that you know. There's arena rock, there's punk, glam rock, metal,
- 23:51Speaker 3: progressive rock, and artists were pushing boundaries. The nineties still
- 23:57Speaker 3: surprised me also, you know, because there's more depth to
- 24:01Speaker 3: it than just the grunge, this brit pop, alternative rock, industrial,
- 24:06Speaker 3: even early new metal, and you know it's all happening
- 24:09Speaker 3: at once, bubbling under it.
- 24:11Speaker 1: Yeah, there are a lot of good bands that are forgotten.
- 24:14Speaker 1: In fact, I just read a book on Alanis Morissett's
- 24:16Speaker 1: Jagged Little Pill, which is a phenomenal album.
- 24:19Speaker 2: Great album.
- 24:21Speaker 1: That's thirty.
- 24:22Speaker 2: Yeah, how old was she? She was like seventeen.
- 24:25Speaker 1: Twenty one, so she was seventeen. She was in her
- 24:31Speaker 1: late teens when she left Canada and came to La
- 24:34Speaker 1: to change her image, change her career. She put out
- 24:38Speaker 1: two pop out dance pop albums in Canada that were popular.
- 24:42Speaker 1: She was just called Atlantis. She went with her full name,
- 24:46Speaker 1: signed with a new manager, didn't have a record deal.
- 24:50Speaker 1: They were shopping around for a producer. They found Glenn Ballard.
- 24:54Speaker 1: They hit it off immediately. Within thirty minutes, wrote a song,
- 24:58Speaker 1: started writing a song, day crank and songs out and
- 25:03Speaker 1: we had Jagged Little Pill, which is that has six
- 25:06Speaker 1: singles on that album. The nineties was a decade of
- 25:09Speaker 1: female rockers really coming forward and Torriemos.
- 25:16Speaker 2: No doubt is fair out.
- 25:19Speaker 1: Yeah. So there's a lot of stuff that happened in
- 25:21Speaker 1: the nineties that there's a I mean, you could literally
- 25:24Speaker 1: just do books on decades too, I mean you could
- 25:27Speaker 1: expand that. Yeah. How about well, well let's stick with
- 25:30Speaker 1: June a little bit more. June ten, nineteen sixty seven,
- 25:33Speaker 1: California host what might be the very first rock festival,
- 25:37Speaker 1: the Magic Mountain Music Festival June ten, nineteen sixty seven,
- 25:42Speaker 1: fifteen thousand fans, Jefferson Air playing the Doors and the
- 25:44Speaker 1: Birds making history a week later, though, it's completely overshadowed
- 25:49Speaker 1: by the two hundred thousand strong Monterey Pop Festival. Janis Joplin,
- 25:53Speaker 1: Jimmy Hendrix and the who Stole that show? That's really interesting.
- 25:57Speaker 1: So the Magic Mountain Music Festival kind of lost in
- 26:04Speaker 1: rock history. It's an event that was important.
- 26:07Speaker 3: How about Uriah Heap kicks their heavy mental journey with
- 26:10Speaker 3: the release of the debut album Very every Very Humble.
- 26:13Speaker 2: I don't know how that's a good album.
- 26:15Speaker 1: Also, Oh yeah, so I was gonna ask I for
- 26:16Speaker 1: your what And I just only recently got into them
- 26:19Speaker 1: because I covered the book in an episode. Phenomenal band.
- 26:24Speaker 3: Yeah, I had a cassette when I was young of
- 26:26Speaker 3: Uriah Heap. But there was this Rolling Stone critic who
- 26:32Speaker 3: who declared that show commits suicide if the band ever makes.
- 26:37Speaker 2: It yep, spoiler they did, and she did not.
- 26:42Speaker 1: Those bands are progressive rock bands, yes, early Genesis. They
- 26:47Speaker 1: never got the credit they deserved by critics. What day
- 26:50Speaker 1: was that in the month of June. It was the thirteenth,
- 26:55Speaker 1: thirteenth of June. Yeah, third is Yeah, I love the title.
- 26:59Speaker 1: Very heavy, very humble.
- 27:01Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 27:02Speaker 3: So I think one of the reasons that I cannot
- 27:06Speaker 3: name any you know, specific albums that you know that
- 27:11Speaker 3: are the best or the greatest, are because I was
- 27:14Speaker 3: introduced and reintroduced to a lot of albums and a
- 27:18Speaker 3: lot of great songs when I did the manuscript, when
- 27:21Speaker 3: I you know, when I was mining the data for this.
- 27:26Speaker 3: The cover says that there's four hundred plus albums, and
- 27:29Speaker 3: that's because there's six three hundred and sixty six days,
- 27:34Speaker 3: even for the leap here, and there's an album for
- 27:36Speaker 3: every day.
- 27:37Speaker 2: But there were so many albums.
- 27:38Speaker 3: That were monumental or I think, really good that I
- 27:43Speaker 3: couldn't put up there as an album released on that day.
- 27:47Speaker 2: So they are mentioned in the Little Stories.
- 27:50Speaker 1: Yeah, Otherwise the book would have gone on forever. I mean,
- 27:52Speaker 1: it's already how many pages, four hundred and seven, I think, yeah, right,
- 27:58Speaker 1: so you had to pare it down. This is It's
- 28:00Speaker 1: cool though. Also on June thirteen, I just mentioned Elanis
- 28:02Speaker 1: Morrisset's Jagged Little Pill. That was the day June thirteen,
- 28:05Speaker 1: ninety five, but also June thirteen, nineteen seventy five, Talk
- 28:10Speaker 1: about the seventies. Peter seventies was the era of live albums.
- 28:14Speaker 1: Peter Frampton takes the stage at San Francisco's legendary Winterland
- 28:18Speaker 1: Ballroom for the first of two nights that would change
- 28:20Speaker 1: his career forever. Recordings from these shows, along with others,
- 28:24Speaker 1: makeup Frampton Comes Alive, the double live album that catapults
- 28:27Speaker 1: him from respected musician to global superstar. That's Got Show
- 28:31Speaker 1: Me the Way, Baby, I Love Your Way? Do you
- 28:33Speaker 1: feel like we do? The album dominates the charts, spending
- 28:37Speaker 1: ten non consecutive weeks and number one, becoming the best
- 28:40Speaker 1: selling album of nineteen seventy Six. Decades later, it still
- 28:43Speaker 1: holds its place among the greatest live albums of all time.
- 28:48Speaker 1: Booked Down Rock Podcasts will be back after this BAM
- 28:52Speaker 1: the Future of rock and Roll. Find the Bookdown Rock
- 28:58Speaker 1: website at bookdown Rock Dot. There you can find all
- 29:01Speaker 1: the back episodes of the show, the latest episode in
- 29:04Speaker 1: video and audio, plus a video highlight and link to
- 29:07Speaker 1: our YouTube channel. Links to all of the platforms where
- 29:09Speaker 1: you can listen to the podcast, plus all the social
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- 29:17Speaker 1: x Also check out the booked on Rock blog, find
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- 29:23Speaker 1: rock book releases, and before you go, check out the
- 29:25Speaker 1: booked on rock online store. Pick up some booked on
- 29:28Speaker 1: rock merch. It's all at booked on rock dot com.
- 29:33Speaker 1: Let's get to the John Wayne Gacy when this is bizarre?
- 29:36Speaker 1: This is so bizarre. June twenty third, nineteen sixty five.
- 29:42Speaker 1: All right, you ready for this, folks, Here we go.
- 29:45Speaker 1: The Kinks played a show organized by John Wayne Gacy,
- 29:48Speaker 1: the serial killer who dressed up like a clown and
- 29:52Speaker 1: had bodies buried underneath his house. How about that, folks,
- 29:57Speaker 1: don't blame the Kinks. They had no idea. This has
- 30:00Speaker 1: gone way back. What did I say? June twenty third,
- 30:03Speaker 1: nineteen sixty five. Yeah, and what is now one of
- 30:05Speaker 1: the creepiest footnotes in rock history. The Kings unknowingly play
- 30:09Speaker 1: a show in Springfield, Illinois, organized by none other than
- 30:12Speaker 1: John Wayne Gacy, a man would later be unmasked as
- 30:16Speaker 1: one of America's most notorious serial killers. Gaysey, known as
- 30:19Speaker 1: the Killer Clown, was still years away from his horrifying crimes,
- 30:24Speaker 1: but the fact that he once promoted rock shows before
- 30:27Speaker 1: becoming a monster is pure nightmare. Fuel never knew that
- 30:32Speaker 1: until reading this book.
- 30:34Speaker 3: You do learn every day something. And I think, as
- 30:37Speaker 3: you said about the book being a you're being able
- 30:41Speaker 3: to just take it off the shelf or from the
- 30:44Speaker 3: coffee table. The user in the face is you know,
- 30:47Speaker 3: it's unbeatable. It never runs out of battery.
- 30:51Speaker 2: But you can just read.
- 30:52Speaker 3: A snippet here and a bit there and another here,
- 30:56Speaker 3: then put it back and you know it can stay
- 31:00Speaker 3: there for a week or two or a month and
- 31:02Speaker 3: you can.
- 31:02Speaker 2: Still go back to it. Sure, I think this will
- 31:05Speaker 2: stand the test of time because most of the golden
- 31:09Speaker 2: age of the rock and roll is already behind this. Sadly,
- 31:13Speaker 2: but honestly.
- 31:15Speaker 1: That's why these books are so important. Though of course, yes,
- 31:18Speaker 1: I say this is story time. This is the time
- 31:21Speaker 1: to put it all together and make sure that people
- 31:23Speaker 1: are aware of this and generations to come. The Springfield
- 31:27Speaker 1: Show was organized by future serial killer John Wayne Gacy.
- 31:30Speaker 1: He was then vice president of the local jac's chapter.
- 31:33Speaker 1: This is according to a search online here, and two
- 31:36Speaker 1: thousand band member recounted Gaysey invited the Kings to his home,
- 31:41Speaker 1: a story dismissed by their band biographers. So whether that's
- 31:45Speaker 1: true or not, who knows. Hey, guys, come on over.
- 31:48Speaker 1: I'll be dressed in clown and make up and we
- 31:50Speaker 1: can go over the plans for your upcoming concert. That
- 31:53Speaker 1: is absolutely surreal, bizarre. And that's just one. I didn't
- 31:57Speaker 1: read the whole I just thumbed through the month of
- 31:59Speaker 1: Ji and some other months. So who knows what else
- 32:02Speaker 1: is in here? Man?
- 32:04Speaker 2: There is other killers.
- 32:06Speaker 3: There is someone who was who was pretending to be
- 32:11Speaker 3: some leader of some other band.
- 32:13Speaker 2: I really don't.
- 32:14Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I mean there's the well known ones.
- 32:17Speaker 2: The it was the Bad Sean and now something, and
- 32:21Speaker 2: he was performing.
- 32:24Speaker 1: I think you're talking about Elmer Edward Sally, convicted of
- 32:28Speaker 1: manslaughter nineteen seventy pretend to be Seana Now guitarist Vinnie Taylor.
- 32:33Speaker 1: So you have that in the book.
- 32:35Speaker 3: Yeah, And he had he had a show or something
- 32:38Speaker 3: going on, and he I think he was making some
- 32:43Speaker 3: money of it, not just pretending to be someone else,
- 32:46Speaker 3: but you know, making money from it, and they gladly
- 32:50Speaker 3: someone found out.
- 32:51Speaker 1: Oh lord.
- 32:52Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 32:52Speaker 3: But there's also okay, so we have many funny funny stories,
- 32:57Speaker 3: many stupid stories, but there are are also some tragic
- 33:01Speaker 3: stories in there. Starting from the past. Buddy Holly and
- 33:07Speaker 3: the Big Barber were in the airplane just before Buddy Holy,
- 33:11Speaker 3: you know, made it out in the big shows, and
- 33:14Speaker 3: they died. Everybody, I think most of the people know about, Oh,
- 33:19Speaker 3: I hit a blackout, what's the what's the band?
- 33:22Speaker 2: Uh? October of seventy the airplane accident.
- 33:29Speaker 3: Of course, there are people that have been shot on
- 33:34Speaker 3: the stage, like dying back Daryl.
- 33:36Speaker 2: That's I think more of it in.
- 33:37Speaker 3: The sometimes sometimes upcoming heavy Mental Almanac. One of the
- 33:44Speaker 3: one of which I think I have to mention as
- 33:47Speaker 3: I am here in Finland, and and finished the Hannah
- 33:50Speaker 3: Rocks drummer Razzle, who was killed in a car accident.
- 33:55Speaker 3: The Vince Neil was driving the car after some show
- 33:58Speaker 3: and I don't know what happened, but they ended up
- 34:02Speaker 3: in car wreck and Razzle died and that was the
- 34:06Speaker 3: end of Hannah Rocks kind of because they couldn't just
- 34:10Speaker 3: you know, go on.
- 34:11Speaker 1: Well, we'll finish with I guess July fourth coming up,
- 34:14Speaker 1: so let's do some fourth of July one and we'll
- 34:16Speaker 1: wrap this up July four, nineteen sixty four, Let's see
- 34:20Speaker 1: the Stones get a taste of the critics Wrath appearing
- 34:22Speaker 1: as panelists on the BBC's Jukebox Jerry, Mick, Keith and
- 34:25Speaker 1: the Gang weighing on the latest records. Their performance less
- 34:28Speaker 1: than polished. The Daily Sketch skewers them in a scathing review,
- 34:32Speaker 1: calling them gum chewing, ill mannered, ill humored, illiberal and
- 34:35Speaker 1: illogical jurors. Translation exactly what the kids love about that.
- 34:40Speaker 1: July four, nineteen sixty nine, Grand Funk Railroad rocks the
- 34:43Speaker 1: Atlanta Pop Festival shirtless. Still a fledgling band at the time,
- 34:48Speaker 1: Grand Funk wins over a massive crowd at the festival.
- 34:52Speaker 1: Mark Farner, lead singer, ditches his shirt in mid set
- 34:56Speaker 1: because it was so hot out, much to the delight
- 34:58Speaker 1: of the audience. Okay, we got one here. Oh. The
- 35:03Speaker 1: first first ever public gig for the Clash July four,
- 35:07Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six. They opened for the Sex Pistols, The
- 35:13Speaker 1: Black Swan and Sheffield. Jeremy Spencer of Fleetwood Mac is
- 35:18Speaker 1: a July four birthday See the Animals. Dave Rowberry born
- 35:23Speaker 1: in nineteen forty July four, Oh, this is a good
- 35:26Speaker 1: one July four, nineteen eighty five, Dire Straits began a
- 35:29Speaker 1: record breaking Wembley run, kicking off fourteen consecutive nights at
- 35:32Speaker 1: Wembley Arena fourteen. They delivered a marathon performance to packed
- 35:38Speaker 1: crowds each night. On day ten, took a little detour
- 35:41Speaker 1: across the parking lot to Wembley Stadium four Live Aid,
- 35:44Speaker 1: where they play an afternoon set before returning for their
- 35:46Speaker 1: scheduled the evening show Double Duty. Never looked so smooth
- 35:51Speaker 1: now mentioned the people talk about Phil Collins, how he
- 35:55Speaker 1: played in Philadelphia and London and that was a lot
- 35:58Speaker 1: of work for him. But still are Straits, man? They were.
- 36:01Speaker 1: They were killing it that summer. Man, that was huge
- 36:04Speaker 1: that album.
- 36:05Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question if you have, if
- 36:06Speaker 3: you had a time machine, what's a gig you would
- 36:09Speaker 3: like to go and see?
- 36:10Speaker 1: Oh boy, oh Woodstack?
- 36:13Speaker 2: No questions.
- 36:15Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to say Woodstock nineteen sixty nine, hands down.
- 36:18Speaker 1: And I've been to that site in Bethel, New York,
- 36:21Speaker 1: and it was it was hair raising just to be
- 36:24Speaker 1: standing on that field. It really was cool. And they
- 36:27Speaker 1: have a museum and everything. But I would say one Woodstock,
- 36:30Speaker 1: two would be Live Aid. And I have friends who
- 36:33Speaker 1: were there, and I guess if I'm going to come
- 36:37Speaker 1: up with a third one, I would say I'll throw
- 36:41Speaker 1: in Woodstock ninety four. That would have been cool, and
- 36:46Speaker 1: I could have. I mean, I was certainly of age
- 36:48Speaker 1: to go at that time. I just didn't go. Not
- 36:51Speaker 1: ninety nine Woodstock, No thanks?
- 36:53Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, if I.
- 36:54Speaker 1: Come back alive. Rock and Roll Almanac, a day by
- 36:58Speaker 1: day journey through seventy years of legend in music history.
- 37:01Speaker 1: It's out now. You can find whoever books are sold.
- 37:03Speaker 1: You can find it at your nearest bookstore. Go to
- 37:05Speaker 1: book down rock dot com to find your nearest independent bookstore.
- 37:09Speaker 1: Where can people find you online? Andrew Krahmon Well.
- 37:12Speaker 3: I think they can find the Rock ro Almanac from
- 37:15Speaker 3: Facebook and Instagram and from x I originally thought that
- 37:22Speaker 3: I didn't have to be on social media because I'm
- 37:28Speaker 3: not a big fan, big fan of those, but as
- 37:32Speaker 3: the nowadays is what it is, you can find them
- 37:35Speaker 3: there and if you want to contact straight with me,
- 37:39Speaker 3: I'm on the new I think it's new, the Blue
- 37:44Speaker 3: Sky app, if you're familiar with it.
- 37:47Speaker 1: I just jumped down at blue Sky as well. I
- 37:50Speaker 1: have two followers on blue Sky right now I've got
- 37:52Speaker 1: some work to do.
- 37:54Speaker 2: You'll have three in a minute.
- 37:56Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna have three. No, it's true, I'm not.
- 37:59Speaker 1: I wouldn't have social media if now for the show.
- 38:02Speaker 1: In fact, even even then though, I'm like, God, i
- 38:04Speaker 1: feel like I'm annoying people because I'm posting stuff almost
- 38:07Speaker 1: every other day. But it's a necessary thing. You got
- 38:10Speaker 1: to get the word out. So there you have it.
- 38:14Speaker 1: But I'm not one of those. I'm not into it.
- 38:16Speaker 1: I'm suspecting you're not either. Where you just post stuff
- 38:20Speaker 1: like hey, today, I was at at the store today
- 38:22Speaker 1: and boy, check out the prices on on on meat
- 38:27Speaker 1: the meat ale today. This is fascinating anyway, Guys just
- 38:30Speaker 1: want to let you know I can't do that. No,
- 38:35Speaker 1: but that's listen, man, there are influencers that do that stuff,
- 38:39Speaker 1: and God bless them.
- 38:40Speaker 5: Man, they're making the hope they're happy, and I truly
- 38:45Speaker 5: hope they're happy after two three decades, you know, when
- 38:49Speaker 5: they think back, what's the what they have done?
- 38:52Speaker 1: Hey, I just saw on Netflix they had a documentary
- 38:54Speaker 1: on this guy, the Liver King. Do you know about
- 38:56Speaker 1: this guy? Okay, I you know, you know, Yeah, I know.
- 39:00Speaker 2: I've seen pictures.
- 39:02Speaker 1: Jacked out of his mind, and everybody, like Joe Rogan
- 39:05Speaker 1: was like he's on Royd's No Doubt, and he kept saying, No,
- 39:07Speaker 1: I don't do steroids. I just eat raw, you know,
- 39:10Speaker 1: I liver, I eat the liver of a cow. I
- 39:12Speaker 1: eat that, you know. I I just eat nothing but
- 39:15Speaker 1: natural food, like a caveman. And he finally got caught
- 39:19Speaker 1: and he admits it in the in the Netflix documentary.
- 39:24Speaker 1: But again there's an example of a guy who's posting
- 39:27Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, guys, you know, I'm out in
- 39:28Speaker 1: the woods today and I'm gonna I'm gonna eat the
- 39:31Speaker 1: testicles of a bear. It's like, okay, that's great, man,
- 39:35Speaker 1: Good for you. God bless you, God bless you. All right, Andrew,
- 39:41Speaker 1: thanks man, this was great. Thanks so much for coming on.
- 39:43Speaker 1: When you have that next book out on the Almanac
- 39:47Speaker 1: on what on Metal history.
- 39:48Speaker 2: With that should be a while, It will take a while.
- 39:57Speaker 3: Perhaps I'm happy if it's it's out next summer, but
- 40:01Speaker 3: I once I thought that, you know, perhaps rap music
- 40:05Speaker 3: is really big also, and it's it's getting bigger and
- 40:08Speaker 3: bigger now as we speak.
- 40:11Speaker 2: But I don't understand anything of it.
- 40:13Speaker 3: I don't know the names, I don't know the songs.
- 40:16Speaker 3: Someone else has to do, has to do it, I
- 40:17Speaker 3: don't know. It could be a seller, you know the seller,
- 40:20Speaker 3: but but sorry I can't.
- 40:23Speaker 2: I'm a rock and roll guy.
- 40:24Speaker 1: That's your rock and roller. Well, you're welcome back here
- 40:28Speaker 1: as soon as it comes out. We'll get the word
- 40:30Speaker 1: out and have some fun talking about that one. Andrew,
- 40:32Speaker 1: thanks so much.
- 40:33Speaker 2: Thanks for having That's it. It's in the books.