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Bahsid McLean - Murder Selfie · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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Speaker 1: Violence has a spectrum from emotional to psychological to physical,
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Speaker 1: and even then on that spectrum, it has a spectrum
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Speaker 1: of severity. Occasionally we find a case so horrific it's
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Speaker 1: violence spreads across all spectrums, and in today's case, we
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Speaker 1: definitely find that not only did a gruesome murder take place,
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Speaker 1: but the violence was spread to family, friends, and online.
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Speaker 1: This is the case a boss seed, McLean. My name's
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Speaker 1: Ben and.
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Speaker 2: I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked and Grim, a
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Speaker 1: The following past and material in a mat Your audience
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Speaker 1: listener discretion is advised. I have been eyeing this up
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Speaker 1: all fucking day, the entire day. This has been sitting
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Speaker 1: in the fridge calling my name, and.
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Speaker 2: Now you've been whining about it.
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Speaker 1: I have been, but now it's mine.
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Speaker 2: It is ah my gosh. Nicole just stared at me
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Speaker 2: while Yeah, I mean, what else was I supposed to watch?
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe you can watch our logo screen
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Speaker 1: over here.
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Speaker 2: Doesn't that make it better? Though? Like that you had
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Speaker 2: to kind of like wait and earn it in a way.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, of course it always does. Yeah, that's why,
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Speaker 1: Like when you have a cold beer, after doing some
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Speaker 1: yard work in a hot summer date. Like, why it
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Speaker 1: hits so good? It's because you earned it.
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Speaker 2: I'm drinking something I'm not supposed to be drinking right now,
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Speaker 2: but that's fair.
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Speaker 1: You got some hot chocolate in the goo.
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Speaker 2: I do smells good, but technically I am in like
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Speaker 2: some sort of transformation challenge and I probably am not
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Speaker 2: allowed hot chocolate.
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Speaker 3: But hey, you do you you got to live your life?
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Speaker 1: You do? They call it self care, don't they having
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Speaker 1: extra calories? Self care?
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Speaker 2: Self care?
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Speaker 3: I know, treat yourself, treat yourself. Yeah, it's self care.
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Speaker 2: Exclusive. That's the word I was trying to get.
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Speaker 1: It was we had a blast putting it on. Thank
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Speaker 2: Now we do now, Yeah, we have two sets.
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Speaker 1: So which I think it's about sixty trivia questions that
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Speaker 1: be we'll start putting a few trivia questions out there
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Speaker 1: for you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be cool. I mean, some of those questions
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Speaker 2: are pretty dang tough. You could ask me them now
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Speaker 2: and you've already asked me them like ten times that
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Speaker 2: I still wouldn't remember the answer fair enough.
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Speaker 1: Well, the first time we did it, a lot of
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Speaker 1: people got almost all the questions right. There was very
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Speaker 1: few questions that they did not get. So this time around,
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Speaker 1: we made the trivia questions a bit harder, and I
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Speaker 1: think we hit it on the head with the difficulty level.
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Speaker 2: So because it was still it wasn't too difficult that
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Speaker 2: it wasn't fun, like, you know, because you're there were
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Speaker 2: some questions oh yeah, like I know that, I know that,
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Speaker 2: but then there was some that you're like, your gears
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Speaker 2: are really turning.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And we made sure it was a diverse
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Speaker 1: group of questions too. So listen to the podcast. Listen
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Speaker 1: to our other podcasts, if you listen to Patreon Netflix
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Speaker 1: documentaries like Across the Board. You need a diverse group
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Speaker 1: of people to really answer all these questions. So we
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Speaker 1: did a good job, and so did everyone over on trivia.
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Speaker 2: But the team that did win only at two people
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Speaker 2: that which is true, which is amazing.
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Speaker 1: Incredible, and I'm not gonna lie. That team was basically
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Speaker 1: consistent of one person, even though it was it was
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Speaker 1: two people. I don't naming names, but but but they know,
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Speaker 1: they know. I think they both know. Anyways, you ready
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Speaker 1: for today's case?
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Speaker 2: I am.
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Speaker 1: You're sure you are?
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Speaker 2: I am, but I literally actually have no idea what
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Speaker 2: the fuck it is. Okay, be honest, I know you've
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Speaker 2: told me, and well.
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Speaker 1: I didn't really tell you. I told you the hook
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Speaker 1: that kind of captured my attention when I found it
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Speaker 1: online and I was like, oh, that sounds wild. I'm
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Speaker 1: going to research it. That's all I told you.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I've forgotten that, and we're I'll.
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Speaker 1: In the middle of this, we'll touch on that that
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Speaker 1: hook if you will. Okay. So this episode is the
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Speaker 1: episode of Beside McClain, and it takes place in the
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Speaker 1: heart of New York City, and within New York City
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Speaker 1: lies a district of the Bronx. Now, the Bronx is
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Speaker 1: home to the iconic landmarks such as like Yankee Stadium,
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Speaker 1: where the New York Yankees proudly play their games. Right. However,
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Speaker 1: beyond this famed sports arena, the Bronx carries a weighty
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Speaker 1: reputation in terms of safety. As per recent statistics from
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Speaker 1: Neighborhood Scout, the Bronx falls within the fourteenth percentile for
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Speaker 1: safety nationwide as of twenty twenty three, marking as one
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Speaker 1: of the more dangerous regions across the United States. Ok
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Speaker 1: So it's got a reputations. It's tough to be in
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Speaker 1: the Bronx, Okay. Now, many people who do call it home, though,
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Speaker 1: are passionate about their city and they have very strong
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Speaker 1: love for it. Which love. Now within the Bronx is
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Speaker 1: where our story today does take place. And we go
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Speaker 1: back to February of twenty thirteen, so we are going
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Speaker 1: back just over ten years ago, which I think, yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's February now, so that it'd be eleven years ago. Sorry,
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Speaker 1: my math there was off a little bit, and then
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Speaker 1: I was like, wait, I was calling myself on it.
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Speaker 1: Oh Man, So the people of New York began their
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Speaker 1: day just like any other you know, buses, cars and
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Speaker 1: subway routes where we're all filling up with passengers making
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Speaker 1: their way about the city and heading to work. Many
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Speaker 1: people were walking the streets and in true New York fashion,
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Speaker 1: they were minding themselves head down, doing their own thing
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Speaker 1: in their own world.
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Speaker 2: Big city fashion.
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Speaker 1: Ain't and New York is one of the biggest cities
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Speaker 1: there is, especially with that big city attitude, right yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure there's like you can go like
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Speaker 1: Tokyo and stuff like, if you really compete with cities
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Speaker 1: around the world, I'm sure there's bigger, But as far
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Speaker 1: as the United States go, New York is it's called
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Speaker 1: a big apple for a reason, right, really yep. So, however,
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Speaker 1: it was hard to turn a blind eye, even if
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Speaker 1: you are just minding your own business to the horrifying
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Speaker 1: discovery that came to light on this morning. Someone was
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Speaker 1: walking their dog during their morning routine at about four
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Speaker 1: point thirty, and it was then not the dog began
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Speaker 1: sniffing insssedly some garbage bags in the sidewalk, some garbage
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Speaker 1: bags that were sitting there waiting for collection. Now, in itself,
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Speaker 1: this isn't exactly anything extraordinary. Garbage often contained scraps of food,
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Speaker 1: for example, which could capture a dog's attention pretty easily, right,
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Speaker 1: But something about this was different. The dog wasn't letting up.
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Speaker 1: Now upon closer look, the person who was walking their
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Speaker 1: dogs saw a gruesome sight. Their dog was sniffing at
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Speaker 1: a dismembered human limb underneath some piled garbage.
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Speaker 2: Oh shit.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so authorities were of course called immediately and the
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Speaker 1: block was surrounded.
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Speaker 2: What kind of limb exactly? Gosh?
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Speaker 1: I saw a couple different reports, and most of them
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Speaker 1: just said limb. One of them said an arm, but
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Speaker 1: I couldn't clarify. So all I know is a human limb.
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Speaker 2: Okay, do you remember me because I've been to New
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Speaker 2: York once coming back and telling you about like the garbage.
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Speaker 1: I think so, because I can actually.
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Speaker 2: Vividly remember, like it was like night, I'm walking down
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Speaker 2: the street and and the restaurants and just I don't
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Speaker 2: know if it's still like that, but they just had
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Speaker 2: like their bags just kind of on the side of
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Speaker 2: the sidewalk, like so much garbage.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then collection comes around grabs a bags on
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Speaker 1: the truck.
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Speaker 2: I don't know, but I was just like, oh, because
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Speaker 2: our city isn't really like that at all. Like our garbage,
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Speaker 2: I guess, is a bit more contained.
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Speaker 1: I guess you could say, well, in a big city
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Speaker 1: like that, it's really hard to just have city garbage cans.
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Speaker 2: Well totally, yeah, so I get it. But I just
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Speaker 2: I'm like walking down the street now and I can
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Speaker 2: picture this.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, I say, can you picture an arm
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Speaker 1: thrown in that pile? Too?
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Speaker 2: No? Thank goodness, that's a good thing. Now.
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Speaker 1: The authorities, of course, searched the trash pile, and they
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Speaker 1: began searching other trash piles up and down the street,
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Speaker 1: because that's exactly what it was. Just like you're talking
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Speaker 1: about on the side walk, piles of trash bags just
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Speaker 1: waiting for collection that morning. It's not like it's just
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Speaker 1: like garbage just strewn about it. It's a pile. They're
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Speaker 1: gonna be collected in a few hours sort of thing. Yeah. Absolutely, Now,
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Speaker 1: what they found were the remains of a woman. Piece
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Speaker 1: by piece. They found her hacked and cut pieces scattered
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Speaker 1: in get garbage bags across multiple piles. They found her
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Speaker 1: decapitated head, her right leg, torso and hands and arms.
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Speaker 2: Oh wow.
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Speaker 1: All of her remains were found within the same area
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Speaker 1: around Eagle Avenue, one fifty eighth Street, one fifty sixth Street,
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Speaker 1: and Caldwell Avenue. The dismembered body and remains, some of
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Speaker 1: which were still wearing the clothing articles that the individual
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Speaker 1: was slain in, would soon be identified as a forty
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Speaker 1: five year old woman by the name of Tanya Bird.
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Speaker 2: That's brutal. So they kind of seemed like they went
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Speaker 2: about trying to hide this, but they did arable job.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. They were hoping that the body would just get
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Speaker 1: thrown out with the garbage, and I mean it clearly didn't.
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Speaker 2: Well, they went to the length of at least I guess,
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Speaker 2: going around putting it in different piles.
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Speaker 1: They did, but still all within about one block.
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Speaker 2: Huh.
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Speaker 1: So it doesn't really it didn't go very far.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. But also that is so sad too that you're
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Speaker 2: like take someone's life and then you're.
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Speaker 1: Just out with the trash, like with the garbage. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Oh gosh.
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Speaker 1: Now I do want to say, like, can you literally
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Speaker 1: imagine just walking your dog one morning and just oh,
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Speaker 1: human arm.
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Speaker 2: That's honestly a worst night mare of mine.
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Speaker 1: Is it really?
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I freak.
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Speaker 2: I think about sometimes or dogs finding something that I
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Speaker 2: would not want them to find.
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Speaker 1: I mean, they've come back with like bones and stuff before,
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Speaker 1: but it's usually like because.
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Speaker 2: We're in like a moost or deep.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're out in the country and it's like there's
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Speaker 1: hunters around that, like they throw discard from up a
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Speaker 1: game kill, you know, when the bush once in a while,
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Speaker 1: and they come back with like a bone that's been
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Speaker 1: there for a year or two and keep it.
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Speaker 2: Question, do you ever examine what they find and would
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Speaker 2: you know if it was something other than a wild animal?
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Speaker 1: Usually yeah, because it's generally very obvious that it's like, oh,
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Speaker 1: that's a big ass bone that's from a moose or something.
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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, No, you're right, because thinking about it, I'm like, shit,
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Speaker 2: I don't really examine the bones, but yeah, they're usually
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Speaker 2: generally quite a bit bigger.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, this woman, Tanya Bird, who is found she
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Speaker 1: had been dismembered and stuffed inside several separate heavy duty
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Speaker 1: garbage bags and added to the piles. But even within
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Speaker 1: those garbage bags, she was then stuffed inside multiple Duffel
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Speaker 1: bags as well, and of course dispersed for disposabal on
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Speaker 1: the disposal on the piles, so police soon contacted Tanya's family.
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Speaker 1: They also found that her son, Beside McLean, had reported
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Speaker 1: her missing at the precinct in the Bronx just the
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Speaker 1: day prior. He told police about how he hadn't been
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Speaker 1: able to contact his mother for at least the day,
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Speaker 1: which was very unusual for her. See, Tanya had another
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Speaker 1: son who was six years old and had down syndrome.
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Speaker 1: She was always making sure that she provided the care
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Speaker 1: that she needed for him, and that's what she lived for,
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Speaker 1: That's what she did. She was to be there for
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Speaker 1: her son and taking care of him. Now, the son
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Speaker 1: the authorities were talking with besied continue to tell them
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Speaker 1: everything he knew, including how a former boyfriend of his
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Speaker 1: mother's dropped by on Monday and that this was the
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Speaker 1: last time that he saw her to quote him quote
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Speaker 1: he came over yesterday and walked out with her in
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Speaker 1: the morning yesterday morning. Tanya's sister, Cassandra believed that her
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Speaker 1: sister's allegedly abusive ex boyfriend was responsible for the horrific
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Speaker 1: murder and dismemberment of Tanya.
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Speaker 2: Okay, can I ask a question quickly. Is that the
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Speaker 2: same boyfriend that the sun?
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Speaker 1: Yes? Okay, yeah, And to quote Cassandra, Tanya's sister quote,
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Speaker 1: I told my sister to stay away from him, but
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Speaker 1: she said he's harmless and not to worry.
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Speaker 2: Oh, he sounds like bad news.
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Speaker 1: Cassandra also described her sister as a loving mother and
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Speaker 1: being very devoted to her son and his needs. He
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Speaker 1: was the joy in her life.
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Speaker 2: Oh man child.
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Speaker 1: Basid also provided photographs of his mother from his phone
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Speaker 1: to police. This helped them able to confirm that Tanya
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Speaker 1: was in fact the victim they found because they were
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Speaker 1: looking at missing reports along with the decapitated head they
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Speaker 1: found and now linking it with the photo he provided.
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Speaker 1: And at first of what seems that the family was
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Speaker 1: willing to help and find Tanya in any way that
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Speaker 1: they could. I mean, he's showing photos. There was a
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Speaker 1: missing report, right, they did, They did all they could.
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Speaker 1: They're talking with officers in regards to whatever questions they
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Speaker 1: ask and everything. But something was standing out for the
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Speaker 1: officers from the moment that they actually stepped in to
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Speaker 1: their home and began talking to him. You see the
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Speaker 1: home reeked of bleach.
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Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah, okay, oh right, away, you would just
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Speaker 2: be like the fuck.
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Speaker 1: Yep, Oh no, So you have someone who's dismembered.
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Speaker 2: Which would be a brutal mess.
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Speaker 1: And what do you use to clean up blood?
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Speaker 2: Bleach?
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Speaker 1: Bleach. So they walk into the home where she lived
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Speaker 1: and they're saying, oh, yeah, she went missing yesterday. We
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Speaker 1: don't know what happened to her. Maybe this guy we're
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Speaker 1: going to offer you a person to look into. While
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Speaker 1: you're standing here being like, uh huh, why the fuck
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Speaker 1: does smell like bleach.
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Speaker 2: In your gosh? Because like sometimes, i mean, some people
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Speaker 2: still use bleach for like their laundry and oh and everything,
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Speaker 2: but it's it's not a super common smell that you're
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Speaker 2: that you would just notice going into someone's house, or
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Speaker 2: it would be like pretty faint or whatever, like you know,
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Speaker 2: they're just using a bit of bleach.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you use a little bit of bleach in
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Speaker 1: your laundry or if you're cleaning up your counter or
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Speaker 1: something like that, you're not using like a gallon of
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Speaker 1: fucking bleach to make your whole house smell like it
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Speaker 1: unless you used it like five minutes earlier. But usually
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Speaker 1: it's like a little spray bottle or something like that.
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Speaker 1: You're just cleaning up a little bit or like you say,
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Speaker 1: a little bit in your laundry, things like that.
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Speaker 2: Ah.
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Speaker 1: But even still many people, and I believe this was
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Speaker 1: an apartment complex, they wouldn't have laundry in their.
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Speaker 2: Unit, right, brutal.
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Speaker 1: Now the investigation into the home, of course, quickly began.
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Speaker 1: They now had warrants because I mean, this is where
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Speaker 1: she lived. She's dead, so it's like we need to
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Speaker 1: search her fucking home, right, So as they were looking
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Speaker 1: for evidence and the whole home, they they certainly found evidence,
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Speaker 1: They found the equipment that was used to carve up
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Speaker 1: Tanya's body, and eventually they even found some extremely gruesome
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Speaker 1: photos on Besieed's phone.
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Speaker 2: What the shit the sun is? That the sun?
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Speaker 1: That's the sun? So while executing a search warrant and
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Speaker 1: searching his phone, they found images where Basid had posed
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Speaker 1: and taken selfies with his own mother's lifeless and dismembered body.
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Speaker 1: One in particular, he was posing in front of a
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Speaker 1: bathroom mirror. You know how you like take a selfie
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Speaker 1: in a bathroom mirror, right, He was doing that while
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Speaker 1: holding up the bloody head of his mother like a trophy.
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Speaker 1: His decapitated mother's head. He's holding it up and using
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Speaker 1: his phone to snap a photo as a keepsake.
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Speaker 2: What the actual fuck?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, is he okay?
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Speaker 2: Like, uh uh, I don't think I can ever take
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Speaker 2: a selfie again.
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Speaker 1: Well, the worst part here in the photo you can
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Speaker 1: see he's got a smirk on his face while.
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Speaker 2: Posing and he killed his mom.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the holy shit. The smirk though, is the most
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Speaker 1: disturbing factor to me particular. I mean, of course, don't
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Speaker 1: get me wrong, he's holding up a decapitated head of
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Speaker 1: his mother, but he's fucking smirking at the same time.
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Speaker 2: Oh man, yeah, that ik. There has to be something
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Speaker 2: like I'm wondering wrong with him well, or like he
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Speaker 2: has something.
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Speaker 1: We'll we'll get into some of this stuff, don't worry.
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Speaker 1: But now this is where some rumors have floated around
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Speaker 1: online regarding this case, and this is where that hook
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Speaker 1: lured me in. Okay, So, allegedly Beside had taken this
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Speaker 1: selfie and posted it online to one of his social
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Speaker 1: media platforms even before police were ever involved. So typically
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Speaker 1: people say that the platform he posted it was on
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Speaker 1: Facebook or something because only friends and family saw it.
18:46
Speaker 1: So there someone immediately saw the photo and reported it,
18:49
Speaker 1: and Facebook took the photo down for violence, and that
18:53
Speaker 1: is how he got caught. Some version of the story
18:56
Speaker 1: state that the authorities never actually saw the unblurred version
19:00
Speaker 1: of the photo, because the blurred version is readily available online,
19:04
Speaker 1: Like right now, you can go look it up and
19:06
Speaker 1: it's blurred. You cannot see ahead whatsoever, but you can
19:08
Speaker 1: clearly see him, see him, he's holding something up and
19:11
Speaker 1: you can see thet.
19:13
Speaker 2: It's actually his mom's.
19:14
Speaker 1: Head, it is. But some say that police were never
19:18
Speaker 1: able to see the unblurred version because Facebook deleted it
19:21
Speaker 1: so fast. Regardless of this version, I'm pretty sure that
19:25
Speaker 1: those claims are false. I could not find any article
19:29
Speaker 1: or evidence that alleged the photo had been posted online.
19:34
Speaker 1: The only reports that I have found are where the
19:36
Speaker 1: authorities find the images on his phone. So this is
19:40
Speaker 1: where I was lured in because I was like, holy shit,
19:42
Speaker 1: someone like decapitate their mother and posted photos to Facebook
19:45
Speaker 1: sort of thing. That's false. He did those things. He
19:48
Speaker 1: did take the photo, but posting it online, as far
19:51
Speaker 1: as I can tell, never happened.
19:52
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean it's still like next level what he did.
19:57
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, don't get me wrong. It's fucked.
20:00
Speaker 2: Could you imagine that's the way that you would find
20:02
Speaker 2: out that like a loved one or friend had died. Oh, man,
20:06
Speaker 2: I don't know if your life would ever be the
20:08
Speaker 2: same after if that had been the truth.
20:11
Speaker 1: I don't think so. You just see a photo of
20:15
Speaker 1: your loved one's head being held, Oh.
20:16
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh by their son. I'm like, this case
20:19
Speaker 2: is like mortifying.
20:21
Speaker 1: Oh it is. Now you understand why I captured my
20:24
Speaker 1: attention so fast on them? Yeah, so besied though moving on,
20:29
Speaker 1: he was let out of the house in handcuffs. Of course.
20:32
Speaker 1: Now in the apartment, it was found that Beside's little
20:35
Speaker 1: brother was also present during the attack and the dismemberment.
20:41
Speaker 3: What but he was six, He was six.
20:44
Speaker 1: Years old, and he has down Fortunately he did not
20:49
Speaker 1: see any of it directly, so he did not witness it,
20:54
Speaker 1: though he was there when it occurred.
20:56
Speaker 2: That is so disgusting, so disgusting. But also in my mind,
21:00
Speaker 2: I cannot turn off being in that home and like
21:04
Speaker 2: doing the whole black light situation because I imagine that
21:08
Speaker 2: there would.
21:09
Speaker 1: Be a lot, a lot. Now why Beseied did what
21:14
Speaker 1: he did is heavily speculated, but the most accepted motive
21:18
Speaker 1: that he had was that he or sorry that we
21:19
Speaker 1: have is that he allegedly held a massive amount of
21:21
Speaker 1: resentment against his mother because Basied was raised in foster
21:26
Speaker 1: care as a child while his mother, Tanya, battled with
21:30
Speaker 1: drug addiction. Oh okay, so he eventually came back to
21:34
Speaker 1: live with her and his younger brother when he was
21:38
Speaker 1: eighteen years old, once she had cleaned up and become
21:41
Speaker 1: more of a present mother. But once Beside was living
21:45
Speaker 1: with them, he was later suspected of abusing his younger brother,
21:50
Speaker 1: whose body began displaying bruises and other signs of abuse.
21:56
Speaker 2: Gosh, this guy's just yeah, yeah.
22:00
Speaker 1: He's abusing. And I mean at the time, his younger
22:04
Speaker 1: brother six Yeah, I'm presuming this has been going on
22:06
Speaker 1: for quite some while. So his six years and younger
22:10
Speaker 1: brother with Down syndrome, he is abusing. I'm sorry you.
22:16
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's anything you can do to
22:17
Speaker 1: get any lower than this.
22:19
Speaker 2: Dude, Like this is like fucked the kid having Down
22:22
Speaker 2: syndrome or not. It's terrible.
22:24
Speaker 1: But oh yeah.
22:25
Speaker 2: Also, like I feel like people who have Down syndrome
22:29
Speaker 2: are just like just the joy, They just have so
22:31
Speaker 2: much joy. Oh yeah, and like, I just can't imagine.
22:37
Speaker 1: There's that one one comedian, fuck, I can't remember his name.
22:40
Speaker 2: He was.
22:40
Speaker 1: I was just watching a clip of him like an
22:42
Speaker 1: hour before this podcast, because he was a SNL just
22:44
Speaker 1: the other night, Shane Gillis. I think. Anyways, he has
22:49
Speaker 1: family with Down syndrome, and he's got these these bits
22:52
Speaker 1: and everything, and he compares like his uncle Danny I
22:55
Speaker 1: think his name was. He's like, they're like dogs, they're
22:59
Speaker 1: just having like a great fucking time, like consistently, they're
23:02
Speaker 1: just always fucking happy. Yeah, And like he's right, they're
23:06
Speaker 1: just consistently happy. They're a fucking light in the world. Literally.
23:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's yeah. They they do bring a lot
23:14
Speaker 2: of joy, yeah for sure.
23:16
Speaker 1: Now Besied, on the other hand, I'm pretty sure he
23:18
Speaker 1: didn't bring very much joy in this world. He brought
23:20
Speaker 1: a lot of fucked up shit.
23:22
Speaker 2: Instead of kidding.
23:24
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Basid was apparently extremely jealous for the attention
23:28
Speaker 1: that his mother was giving his younger brother, uh, and
23:31
Speaker 1: it is believed that he took out much of his
23:33
Speaker 1: aggression on him whenever he had the opportunity. Now, Besie's grandfather,
23:38
Speaker 1: James McLean, said that his grandson Besied often did destructive
23:44
Speaker 1: things and had trouble. He was They always had trouble
23:46
Speaker 1: kind of controlling him as a kid. As he grew
23:50
Speaker 1: into adulthood, his actions only became worse, and he was
23:54
Speaker 1: now a grown man with grown man strength to carry
23:58
Speaker 1: out the destructiveness. Okay, because of who Baside had become,
24:03
Speaker 1: Tanya herself was terrified of her own son. Recently, he
24:08
Speaker 1: was put on probation actually after attacking two police officers
24:12
Speaker 1: with a knife in twenty ten. He was a dangerous
24:16
Speaker 1: man and it was only a matter of time until
24:18
Speaker 1: he took violence out in their home. It was reported
24:23
Speaker 1: that the snapping point that caused the attack was when
24:25
Speaker 1: Tanya asked her son, who was at the time twenty
24:29
Speaker 1: three years old, to grow up and move out of
24:32
Speaker 1: the apartment and become a man. Frustrations had been growing
24:36
Speaker 1: in the home since the three of them Tanya and
24:38
Speaker 1: her two sons all shared a bedroom in the small apartment.
24:42
Speaker 1: Basied had gotten out of control. By this point. It
24:46
Speaker 1: was no good for them to be around him.
24:49
Speaker 2: Well, especially if she's in her home and she's like afraid.
24:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I can totally understand she's afraid, not only
24:54
Speaker 1: for her safety. The younger one is clearly being abused. Yep,
24:58
Speaker 1: so I can understan stands wanting him to move out
25:02
Speaker 1: clearly well.
25:03
Speaker 2: And it sounds like she had him there for about
25:05
Speaker 2: five years or so, which.
25:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, moved in her eighteen. He's twenty three now.
25:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is plenty of time for him to hopefully
25:11
Speaker 2: try to you.
25:12
Speaker 1: Know, get shipped together no one. Yeah, Now, I do
25:15
Speaker 1: want to say this, I understand, like, you don't have
25:18
Speaker 1: to just be like, hey, get the fuck out of
25:19
Speaker 1: my house because you're old enough now, like people can
25:22
Speaker 1: live with whoever for however long age isn't a factor totally, yeah,
25:27
Speaker 1: or it shouldn't be a factor anyways. But the fact
25:31
Speaker 1: remains is he's dangerous as fuck. He needs to get out,
25:35
Speaker 1: and like you said, five years is a long time
25:38
Speaker 1: to put up with a dangerous individual and give.
25:40
Speaker 2: Them a chance, well, especially if they are affecting your
25:43
Speaker 2: other like your well being and your other kids well being.
25:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, couldn't agree more.
25:49
Speaker 2: Yeah.
25:50
Speaker 1: Now, However, instead of respecting what she was asking to
25:53
Speaker 1: move out instead, he decided to you you know, just
25:55
Speaker 1: I don't know, murder her in cold lie.
25:57
Speaker 2: Oh gosh.
25:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, So after stabbing her to death. He then dismembered
26:02
Speaker 1: her body with the assistance of another man.
26:06
Speaker 2: Another man.
26:07
Speaker 1: The second man would soon be identified as one of
26:09
Speaker 1: Beside's friends, twenty six year old William Harris.
26:13
Speaker 2: Holy shit, what kind of friend just helps you do
26:15
Speaker 2: that kind of shit?
26:16
Speaker 1: No kidding. So together the two of them went to
26:20
Speaker 1: the hardware store in the Bronx and purchased an electric
26:22
Speaker 1: black and decker powersaw.
26:24
Speaker 3: Oh my gloves wow. Okay.
26:27
Speaker 1: From there, they returned home and began the bloody process
26:30
Speaker 1: of cutting up Tanya's body into smaller pieces.
26:33
Speaker 2: Why the fuck are they cutting the body up? I
26:35
Speaker 2: guess it's just to make it more manageable.
26:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, easier to dispose of. I guess.
26:41
Speaker 2: Oh, I just think that's so disturbing.
26:43
Speaker 1: But I also have a quote directly from besieed that'll address.
26:46
Speaker 2: That later, Okay, So I want to know.
26:50
Speaker 1: Probably not. Surveillance video outside the apartment building shows both
26:54
Speaker 1: Beside and William carrying numerous bags out of the building's
26:57
Speaker 1: elevator before wheeling them away in a shop cart down
27:00
Speaker 1: the street, and then of course not returning with them
27:04
Speaker 1: later afterwards, when they were done cutting her up and
27:07
Speaker 1: disposing of her remains, they returned and began cleaning the
27:11
Speaker 1: murder scene with Bleach. They however, didn't do the best job,
27:16
Speaker 1: as there were still blood evidence and stains to be found.
27:19
Speaker 1: Twenty three year old Beside McLain was of course arrested
27:23
Speaker 1: and charged with the murder of his mother. William Harris
27:27
Speaker 1: was also arrested on charges of unlawful dissection of a
27:30
Speaker 1: human body and hindering prosecution during the interrogation. Now, I'm
27:34
Speaker 1: not too sure what he did to pertain that hindering
27:38
Speaker 1: prosecution during the interrogation part, but it was a charge
27:41
Speaker 1: that he was being charged with.
27:43
Speaker 2: It is no.
27:43
Speaker 1: Surprise to me. I mean, while being questioned by the authorities,
27:48
Speaker 1: what do you think they did? Pointed the finger at
27:52
Speaker 1: each other.
27:53
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I I was gonna say lied, but I
27:55
Speaker 2: was like, I.
27:56
Speaker 1: Don't know, no beseeds, like William did it and William's
27:59
Speaker 1: like beceied did it? Well?
28:01
Speaker 2: But see, it's a freaking idiot, because I'm sorry, who
28:05
Speaker 2: the hell would think William did it right? The whole Okay,
28:08
Speaker 2: I can't stop shaking my head to this case. I
28:10
Speaker 2: don't know if you've noticed, but I've noticed. It's just, yeah,
28:14
Speaker 2: my head is on a swivel right now, because this
28:16
Speaker 2: is so so messed up.
28:19
Speaker 1: Well, I do want to clarify at this point, I'm
28:22
Speaker 1: not sure if they had the photos off his phone
28:24
Speaker 1: just yet, so in a in a linear fashion of
28:28
Speaker 1: the story, I don't know if they quite have the
28:30
Speaker 1: warrant for his phone right now.
28:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, but still, but still, I don't think anyone think
28:34
Speaker 2: it's the friend over the kid, probably right, especially this
28:38
Speaker 2: kid's history. And I just have to mention too, so
28:41
Speaker 2: the whole time that they are dismembering and then packing
28:46
Speaker 2: up her body and like going and spreading it to
28:49
Speaker 2: other garbage piles, the little six year old brothers just like.
28:53
Speaker 1: At home, correct, So I'm sure.
28:58
Speaker 2: And having no idea what's going on.
29:00
Speaker 1: I'm sure he would have had some idea because they
29:03
Speaker 1: dissected her body and then left and came back to clean,
29:07
Speaker 1: so I'm sure he would have seen the apartment bloody
29:10
Speaker 1: as fuck.
29:11
Speaker 3: Oh no, just say, for.
29:14
Speaker 1: The sake of the argument, they put him in the
29:15
Speaker 1: bedroom while they're cutting.
29:17
Speaker 2: Her up, okay, because you can't even be sleeping through this.
29:20
Speaker 1: So yeah, but there's the points when they leave the
29:23
Speaker 1: apartment that he probably would have had free rein and
29:25
Speaker 1: would have been able to see the murder scene. So
29:30
Speaker 1: as far as I'm pointing fingers at each other, let's
29:32
Speaker 1: get back on track. Basid claimed that he left the
29:35
Speaker 1: apartment at around three am on Monday morning to withdraw
29:37
Speaker 1: some cash. However, when he returned, he found his friend,
29:41
Speaker 1: who I presume he was stating, was left at the apartment,
29:45
Speaker 1: William Harris, had stabbed his mother to death in his absence.
29:50
Speaker 1: William was known to the police. He had a history
29:53
Speaker 1: with arrests, holding a criminal record of twelve prior arrests.
29:57
Speaker 1: Now from here, William had that and threatened to kill
30:01
Speaker 1: both him and his younger six year old brother if
30:05
Speaker 1: he didn't help dispose of the body. So Baside helped. Huh,
30:10
Speaker 1: that's his story.
30:11
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean I didn't realize. I guess well, I
30:14
Speaker 2: didn't think William was a real winner, but I didn't
30:17
Speaker 2: realize how much of a shit show he was too.
30:21
Speaker 1: So well. William, however, painted a different picture. He claimed
30:25
Speaker 1: that Paside had already killed his mother by the time
30:28
Speaker 1: that he had found out about it. Baside had shown
30:31
Speaker 1: him pictures of her body on his phone, which, yeah,
30:38
Speaker 1: we know, actually he had yep, Selfie's yeah, and he
30:43
Speaker 1: showed them to him while he was on the subway
30:46
Speaker 1: with them, and there he had begged his friends, his
30:49
Speaker 1: friend to help get rid of her remains. So at
30:54
Speaker 1: this point she's not dismembered. They're on the subway together.
30:59
Speaker 1: So she's dead in the apartment alone with her sticker.
31:04
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, okay, I I yeah, this is just
31:10
Speaker 2: get getting worse. I need another hot chocolate. This is unreal.
31:14
Speaker 1: It's fucked. Now. We already know that Pasid had these
31:18
Speaker 1: photos on his phone, so I mean, it's pretty easy
31:20
Speaker 1: to discern which story is more believable. And I'm sure
31:23
Speaker 1: right around this point is probably when they got the
31:25
Speaker 1: search warrant for his phone, or they may have already
31:27
Speaker 1: had his phone but searching it. I'm not sure, but
31:31
Speaker 1: by now they definitely have the photos. Eventually, though the
31:35
Speaker 1: story didn't didn't matter that the Seed was trying to paint.
31:38
Speaker 1: The Seed would ultimately confess to the crimes after police
31:41
Speaker 1: found a shower curtain missing at his apartment. The shower
31:45
Speaker 1: curtain was later found wrapped around his mother's body parts
31:49
Speaker 1: in one of the bags that was dumped in the
31:51
Speaker 1: curb for collection.
31:54
Speaker 2: I have to say to Kate, two really quick things here.
31:56
Speaker 2: I'm shocked that they were even able to find this
31:59
Speaker 2: bought like in the garbage so quickly and stuff before
32:03
Speaker 2: any of it was collected, you know, like that almost
32:05
Speaker 2: seems like a small miracle.
32:06
Speaker 1: Well it was four thirty, am. Well, I mean, yeah,
32:09
Speaker 1: you're right, that person wasn't walking their dog. Yeah, mabe,
32:13
Speaker 1: they wouldn't.
32:14
Speaker 2: I feel like it could very easily have just been
32:16
Speaker 2: taken away. Yeah, my gosh, I can't even Oh, okay,
32:21
Speaker 2: this is the other thought. The other thought is I'm
32:23
Speaker 2: actually shocked that he didn't kill his brother too thinking
32:26
Speaker 2: about this and how much of a terrible person he is.
32:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, he could have very well, and if
32:31
Speaker 1: he did, harbor resentment towards.
32:33
Speaker 2: Him, Yeah, he already was abusing him, right, So I'm
32:36
Speaker 2: actually a little bit shocked.
32:37
Speaker 1: No, you have a good point there. Actually I never
32:39
Speaker 1: even thought of that now in court though, but Seed
32:43
Speaker 1: would later, you know, make his appearance there, and apparently
32:46
Speaker 1: as he showed up in court, he was wearing a
32:48
Speaker 1: garbage bag, and according to his defense attorney, he had
32:52
Speaker 1: began begun urinating on himself and had no other clothing.
32:57
Speaker 1: So he showed up wearing a garbage bag?
33:00
Speaker 2: What the actual fuck?
33:03
Speaker 1: Yeah? So the defense attorney continued and stated that Beside
33:06
Speaker 1: was off his medication and that his client was going
33:09
Speaker 1: to be under psychiatric evaluation. You don't say, however, he
33:13
Speaker 1: never did elaborate on what that medication was exactly. To me,
33:19
Speaker 1: this seems like a ploy to paint insanity in the courtroom.
33:22
Speaker 1: We'll have you walk in garbage bed.
33:24
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, So would a lawyer actually do that?
33:27
Speaker 1: I mean a desperate attempt for the for him to
33:30
Speaker 1: get his client to basically, you know, get away with
33:32
Speaker 1: murder because hey, insanity, right.
33:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, but this person really needs to be kind of
33:38
Speaker 2: behind bars for quite a while. Yeah, to put it quite.
33:41
Speaker 1: Nicely, actually, And I do want to say that the
33:44
Speaker 1: whole like ploy to paint insanity thing, that that's my speculation.
33:48
Speaker 1: That's not anything I read. This is me saying that
33:50
Speaker 1: seems suspicious to me. It's one thing to say he's
33:53
Speaker 1: off medication. It's another to say psychiatric care. But it's
33:58
Speaker 1: a whole other thing to say walk in the courtroom
34:01
Speaker 1: wearing a garbage bag. Will say you are pissing yourself
34:04
Speaker 1: and we have no other clothes. What kind of fucking respectable,
34:09
Speaker 1: fucking lawyer would allow their client to walk into the
34:13
Speaker 1: courtroom in a fucking garbage bag.
34:16
Speaker 2: Because I think there would be another way to deal
34:18
Speaker 2: with that, Like you're exactly something else you would think if.
34:20
Speaker 1: I were that lawyer, I'd be talking to the judge. Judge,
34:23
Speaker 1: this is a situation. Give me ten minutes so I
34:26
Speaker 1: can run down the fucking street and buy this dude
34:28
Speaker 1: some fucking pants. Yeah, because no way am I going
34:30
Speaker 1: to let my client walk in here in a garbage bag.
34:33
Speaker 2: That's very true. Yeah, And I mean if you explain
34:37
Speaker 2: that I feel like to the judge, they would grant
34:39
Speaker 2: you those ten fifteen minutes or what.
34:41
Speaker 1: Oh definitely, yeah, one hundred percent.
34:44
Speaker 2: But I also do very much think that there's something
34:48
Speaker 2: going on here. You know that he like that being
34:51
Speaker 2: off his meds thing makes some sense.
34:54
Speaker 1: Well, anything I could find regarding those medications that that's
34:57
Speaker 1: all I know. There was no other mention of medications whatsoever.
35:01
Speaker 2: But I see, my thought process is, you can't do
35:04
Speaker 2: shit like that if you're just like totally sane. I
35:09
Speaker 2: can't fathom that some one would just be able to
35:11
Speaker 2: kill their parents.
35:13
Speaker 1: Do you have a point? Now? Initially, though Basied, continued
35:17
Speaker 1: to press his innocence in the courtroom, shouting I didn't
35:19
Speaker 1: do anything wrong. I don't need anything at all. And
35:22
Speaker 1: I'm assuming in response to needing anything at all, he's
35:25
Speaker 1: referring to psychiatric evaluation, Well he.
35:27
Speaker 2: Does need some clothes.
35:28
Speaker 1: Yeah. His legal team continued and argued that he was
35:31
Speaker 1: mentally ill and did not know what he had done wrong.
35:34
Speaker 1: They went as far as holding up a photo of
35:37
Speaker 1: Tanya and her severed head build up by her son
35:41
Speaker 1: in the courtroom for jurors to see. Besieed's legal representative
35:45
Speaker 1: Lynn Klvaka asked, quote, does this look like someone who
35:49
Speaker 1: knows what he is doing is wrong? Which is a
35:55
Speaker 1: fair point, and I'm playing devil's advocate here, totally makes
35:59
Speaker 1: sense someone holding up a decapitated head smirking like that
36:03
Speaker 1: when it's the mother, that doesn't seem like someone who
36:05
Speaker 1: knows what they're doing.
36:07
Speaker 2: No.
36:07
Speaker 1: However, in the same argument, I think that smirk on
36:10
Speaker 1: his face in the photo says he knew exactly what
36:13
Speaker 1: he did and he was fucking proud of it.
36:16
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Okay, you know how lots of terms
36:20
Speaker 2: I've said I've wanted to be on a jury. Yeah
36:23
Speaker 2: that not now, I don't know, because that I don't
36:26
Speaker 2: think is an image that anyone should really have to see. No,
36:31
Speaker 2: like that's brutal. I agree, huh, but I guess they
36:35
Speaker 2: had to kind of show that. I don't know.
36:37
Speaker 3: Gosh, h well.
36:39
Speaker 1: The defense continued and argued that the client is a
36:41
Speaker 1: mentally ill man suffering from schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. They
36:46
Speaker 1: stated that he had been hearing voices since he was
36:48
Speaker 1: a child and that incarceration would do nothing to help him.
36:53
Speaker 1: A tape would later be played in the courtroom as well,
36:56
Speaker 1: one where Besied admitted to butchering his mother. He said, quote,
37:01
Speaker 1: and this is where I said that we would touch
37:04
Speaker 1: on the butchering thing. So quote, if you don't have
37:09
Speaker 1: the stomach to cut them up after killing them, then
37:12
Speaker 1: you're a coward.
37:16
Speaker 2: No.
37:18
Speaker 3: Yes, oh man, they.
37:20
Speaker 1: Have that on recording.
37:22
Speaker 2: Okay, this is just.
37:27
Speaker 1: Why did he cut her up? Is it just for
37:30
Speaker 1: you know, easier discardment or is there a little more
37:35
Speaker 1: at play? Is it more of a flex is it
37:38
Speaker 1: more of a in fact infatuation with I'm fucking manly
37:43
Speaker 1: and I can do this and it doesn't bother me, you.
37:47
Speaker 2: Know, Okay, I don't even know what to say.
37:51
Speaker 1: Well, I'll continue. See you can just kind of put
37:54
Speaker 1: your head down first set. But sid was later found
37:58
Speaker 1: guilty of second green murder, and before he was sentenced,
38:02
Speaker 1: Beseied said this quote, whatever sentence you'll give me doesn't matter.
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Speaker 1: It was something that happened. I did it. I apologize.
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Speaker 2: Oh that sounds like a very sincere apology.
38:14
Speaker 1: Right. So, since he was found guilty of second degree
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Speaker 1: murder and his following sentence that he received of twenty
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Speaker 1: five years to life in prison, I am assuming, though
38:25
Speaker 1: I did not find any documentation of it, I am
38:27
Speaker 1: assuming that he went through psychiatric evaluation and was found
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Speaker 1: fit to stand trial.
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Speaker 2: But the thing is, he's young. He's probably gonna get out.
38:37
Speaker 2: And I am a little bit surprised by the second
38:39
Speaker 2: degree in a sense. I mean I sort of feel
38:43
Speaker 2: like it should been first.
38:44
Speaker 1: I can't even remember which ones which anymore.
38:46
Speaker 2: Again, I thought, first is like first, as you planned it.
38:50
Speaker 2: Maybe they're saying you didn't necessarily plan it, And he
38:52
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, fit of rage, Yeah, I think I
38:54
Speaker 2: think you're.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I don't think there was any premeditation within this,
38:58
Speaker 1: because I mean, she said something and he.
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Speaker 2: Was like, okay, I guess he wasn't like the previous
39:03
Speaker 2: night planning out it. No, yeah, okay.
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Speaker 1: So on the day of the sentencing, though, some of
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Speaker 1: the family members spoke publicly about what had happened. Besied
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Speaker 1: seventy five year old grandfather James said he would forgive
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Speaker 1: him for killing his mother, but would never forget it.
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Speaker 2: Well, geez, I'm surprised he even said he'd forgive him.
39:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, besieged sister Porsche Up, sorry, Porsche said. She said
39:26
Speaker 1: that he destroyed her faith in humanity by taking away
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Speaker 1: the one person in her life who believed in her.
39:32
Speaker 1: Cassandra McLean, Tanya's sister, said that her nephew was a
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Speaker 1: danger to society and she'd be jailed for life. If
39:39
Speaker 1: he could do this to his own mother, imagine what
39:41
Speaker 1: he could do to a stranger. And she followed up
39:44
Speaker 1: by saying, quote, today my sibling and I say goodbye,
39:48
Speaker 1: knowing this will be the last time we will ever
39:50
Speaker 1: see you, and the last time you will see the
39:53
Speaker 1: family who loved you unconditionally. And she also said this quote,
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Speaker 1: I don't hate him, I pity him.
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Speaker 2: Oh man.
40:04
Speaker 1: Yeah.
40:04
Speaker 2: Also, she did some good statements.
40:07
Speaker 1: There she did, and Cassandra is actually now the one
40:10
Speaker 1: who is caring for Besid's younger brother.
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's good.
40:15
Speaker 1: Now. That is the end of the story of Beside McLain. However,
40:21
Speaker 1: while in most cases this is the end of an
40:23
Speaker 1: episode and we kind of banter for a few minutes
40:25
Speaker 1: talk about her thoughts and everything.
40:27
Speaker 2: Got me worried. Here, what's going on today?
40:29
Speaker 1: It's different today. The episode doesn't just end. It leads
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Speaker 1: into another It leads into another case, which is not
40:36
Speaker 1: going into another episode. It's just the case here that
40:38
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about and continue.
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Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
40:41
Speaker 1: You see, before Besied savagely attacked his mother and chopped
40:45
Speaker 1: her up to be thrown in the garbage, I missed
40:47
Speaker 1: out a portion of his life. Basid was married to
40:51
Speaker 1: a woman called Vera McLean who later changed her name
40:54
Speaker 1: to Zara Coombs after her husband had committed some some
41:00
Speaker 1: certain crimes and she wanted to disconnect from from that name.
41:04
Speaker 1: Can't blame her, oh okay, yeah, So after Basid had
41:09
Speaker 1: killed his mother, she's like, yeah, I'm not married to anymore.
41:11
Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, disconnecting from that ship very fair.
41:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, can't blame her for that. So she was
41:18
Speaker 1: raising their son, who had just turned three months old.
41:21
Speaker 1: Basied was a father, so the aunt Cassandra said that
41:25
Speaker 1: her nephew and her had met in a group home
41:27
Speaker 1: and that their family was against marrying her from the
41:29
Speaker 1: very beginning. It wasn't her they were protesting though. It
41:33
Speaker 1: was Besied and him not being fit as a father
41:36
Speaker 1: or a husband. Quote. He was no good, He was
41:39
Speaker 1: a bully, he didn't work, He lived off his mother.
41:42
Speaker 1: He couldn't understand what she saw on him. So Besid's son,
41:48
Speaker 1: because he was a father, who is now four years old,
41:51
Speaker 1: was targeted by his mother when he accidentally dropped an
41:55
Speaker 1: egg on the floor in the kitchen. As a result,
41:59
Speaker 1: she took a broom handle and began to beat her
42:02
Speaker 1: son to death with it. Afterwards, she put him in
42:06
Speaker 1: a plastic storage bin filled with water. Cassandra McLean said, quote,
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Speaker 1: a child kills his mother, and then mother kills her child.
42:18
Speaker 1: Ridiculous what they are coming to? Ain't this crazy?
42:21
Speaker 2: Okay? What the shit happened? His wife killed?
42:25
Speaker 1: Yes, Zara beat their son to death with a broom handle, and.
42:30
Speaker 2: She felt like she needed to change her fucking last name. Yes,
42:35
Speaker 2: she also is a complete piece of shit.
42:37
Speaker 3: Yes, what the heck? Yeah, Oh my gosh.
42:43
Speaker 2: He already thought that we were done with this.
42:45
Speaker 1: No, I told you this. This is a little difference
42:47
Speaker 1: today it leads into something different.
42:49
Speaker 3: Whoa okay?
42:51
Speaker 1: So during an interview, Zara cried while discussing her son's death,
42:55
Speaker 1: quote He's gone. It's all my fault. My life is over.
42:58
Speaker 1: Nothing will ever be this. My baby is gone. So
43:04
Speaker 1: she blames her snapping and rage on postpartum depression and
43:07
Speaker 1: claims that she can't remember hitting her son with a
43:10
Speaker 1: broomstick at all. As she says, her memory is blacked
43:15
Speaker 1: out and all she recalls is a mix of noises,
43:18
Speaker 1: including TV blaring and cries from one of her other kids,
43:22
Speaker 1: her one year old and one month old. At the time,
43:26
Speaker 1: her son was trying to help her make lunch. He
43:28
Speaker 1: loved food and wanted to be a chef when he
43:30
Speaker 1: grew up. Zara said that she remembers her son being
43:34
Speaker 1: alive after she blacked out. She said quote, he looked
43:38
Speaker 1: at me, but he didn't say anything. I said, okay, baby,
43:41
Speaker 1: let's get you a warm bath. From there, she said
43:45
Speaker 1: that she apologized and told the toddler that she loves him,
43:48
Speaker 1: before putting him in a storage bind for a bath,
43:51
Speaker 1: and then shortly after that, fell asleep while trying to
43:54
Speaker 1: breastfeed her one month old baby. Later, she was woken
43:58
Speaker 1: up by her boyfriend, who came home from work to
44:01
Speaker 1: find their son unconscious in the bin under the water.
44:05
Speaker 1: He immediately called nine one one, but the little boy
44:09
Speaker 1: didn't make.
44:09
Speaker 2: It, okay. Did the little boy die from the broom
44:13
Speaker 2: thing or from being in the water, I wonder.
44:16
Speaker 1: I'm not too sure which one it was. I don't
44:21
Speaker 1: know what the cause of death was in his situation,
44:24
Speaker 1: but if he was from under the water, he would
44:28
Speaker 1: have passed out and then gone under the water and
44:30
Speaker 1: then drowned. So the result was still the beating, one
44:34
Speaker 1: way or another.
44:36
Speaker 2: Holy heck. It's hard to almost comment on this though,
44:41
Speaker 2: because of like you saying the postpartum right.
44:44
Speaker 1: Like, definitely, definitely, I agree, one hundred percent. However, Zara's
44:50
Speaker 1: story about what happened changed several times. At first, she
44:53
Speaker 1: said that her son slipped on a wet towel and
44:55
Speaker 1: hit his head on the toilet when she wasn't looking,
44:59
Speaker 1: but during an interrogation, she admitted to beating the boy
45:02
Speaker 1: with a broomstick after her patients wore thin and he
45:05
Speaker 1: just dropped an egg on the floor, so the whole
45:08
Speaker 1: blacked out. She doesn't remember postpartum thing, bullshit. There are
45:13
Speaker 1: people who really suffer from postpartum. Maybe she is too. Regardless,
45:18
Speaker 1: she knowingly still beat her son to death with a
45:20
Speaker 1: fucking broom because she remembers it and she knows she
45:25
Speaker 1: did it. Even in the story I read her version.
45:29
Speaker 1: Her later version, she apologized before drawing him a bath,
45:34
Speaker 1: which is also key there to show she remembers doing
45:37
Speaker 1: something she fucking knew and he was sorry.
45:41
Speaker 2: Three years old four four years old? Yeh man, So.
45:46
Speaker 1: After he dropped an egg. After her four year old
45:48
Speaker 1: son dropped an egg on the floor, she grabbed a
45:50
Speaker 1: broomstick beat him till he was relatively silent before she
45:54
Speaker 1: went back to caring for her other kids. Now, the
45:59
Speaker 1: night before this, police had just been at her residence
46:02
Speaker 1: for a domestic dispute between her and her boyfriend. Now
46:07
Speaker 1: they're three children, one nine, one one year old, and
46:11
Speaker 1: one one month old at the time were taken out
46:14
Speaker 1: and put in the care of child Protective Services. Okay,
46:21
Speaker 1: so that is the story about Pasid McLean and his son.
46:26
Speaker 2: Huh so the boyfriend. Okay, I'm just this she had
46:31
Speaker 2: the other two kids with someone else or something, right,
46:34
Speaker 2: I gues o, yay, huh gosh, I don't even know how.
46:42
Speaker 1: How to process any of this. Yeah, welcome to my world. Now,
46:46
Speaker 1: you know why at the very beginning, I'm like, I've
46:47
Speaker 1: been eyeing up this beer all fucking day.
46:50
Speaker 2: No shit, how did you not open that earlier? I
46:52
Speaker 2: would have?
46:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, thank you, But doesn't it make it
46:57
Speaker 1: taste so much better now that you've earned it?
47:00
Speaker 2: You earned it earlier. I would have totally been drinking
47:04
Speaker 2: that earlier. The reason you saved it those two because
47:07
Speaker 2: that's your last one. I know, let's be honest here, it's.
47:10
Speaker 1: My last one and I needed to open it for
47:12
Speaker 1: the show.
47:14
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
47:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, huh so what I thought this story was going
47:21
Speaker 1: to be it wasn't and it turned into so much more.
47:27
Speaker 3: Yeah.
47:28
Speaker 2: So, what was this saying that you said, son kills
47:31
Speaker 2: his mother, A mother kills her son or something.
47:35
Speaker 1: I'll look it up directly. So this is a quote
47:38
Speaker 1: from Cassandra besides aunt. Yes, yeah, so she says, quote
47:42
Speaker 1: a child kills his mother and then the mother kills
47:45
Speaker 1: her child. Ridiculous what we were coming to? Ain't this crazy?
47:50
Speaker 2: Huh? Brutal? Yeah hmm and sorry, okay, I'm still like processing.
47:57
Speaker 1: You tell fair enough, fair enough?
47:59
Speaker 2: Okay the kid?
48:01
Speaker 3: Who did the kid.
48:02
Speaker 2: Die first then? Or the mom die first?
48:08
Speaker 1: The whole besied thing, Yeah happened first. Okay, but Seed
48:12
Speaker 1: killed his mother first, and then I think it was
48:16
Speaker 1: about three years later when Besieed's kid killed.
48:21
Speaker 2: You almost have to just wonder if.
48:23
Speaker 1: You know, you know she I know what you're to say,
48:29
Speaker 1: if she did it out of spite because of who
48:32
Speaker 1: his father was.
48:33
Speaker 2: Yah, which is so disturbing. It's so disturbing.
48:37
Speaker 1: It is, and it's absolutely fun because that crossed my
48:39
Speaker 1: mind too.
48:40
Speaker 2: This little boy wanted to be a chef.
48:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I just well to make it even worse, No,
48:47
Speaker 1: you can't have I have to now. I took this
48:51
Speaker 1: out putting it in so the little boy because he
48:56
Speaker 1: wanted to be a chef, and he loved food so much.
48:58
Speaker 1: He would call people he loved things food he loved.
49:01
Speaker 1: Like if he called you a chicken nugget, it's because
49:04
Speaker 1: he loves you. You were his chicken nugget. Thanks, you're welcome.
49:14
Speaker 2: That is one of the saddest things I think I've
49:16
Speaker 2: ever heard in my whole entire life.
49:17
Speaker 1: I know I took that out to maybe, like, you know,
49:21
Speaker 1: lessen the blow of that one a little bit. But
49:22
Speaker 1: we got onto the top and then you just decided
49:25
Speaker 1: we got onto it and I had to say it.
49:26
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Okay, I am. I could just solve right now.
49:35
Speaker 1: Hopefully you guys are able to process this one. I
49:39
Speaker 1: know we can't. I'm having trouble processing this one, and
49:42
Speaker 1: I fucking researched it. It's hard to digest, hard to process,
49:47
Speaker 1: and it makes it all the worse when you attach
49:49
Speaker 1: that second story onto the end of it.
49:51
Speaker 2: It does actually, because now it's like it seems like
49:54
Speaker 2: two beautiful people died, yeah for you know, for no reason. Yeah,
49:59
Speaker 2: like you can minus and is process one, but two
50:02
Speaker 2: is just like you fucked.
50:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, you fucked.
50:05
Speaker 2: That's our next merch.
50:06
Speaker 1: Ya fucked. I'm still waiting for another another Carl case
50:11
Speaker 1: to come up. We're we're not cool, Carl.
50:13
Speaker 2: I know there has to be another one.
50:15
Speaker 1: Hey, we should specifically dive in and.
50:17
Speaker 3: Find everyone knows the one let us know definitely.
50:21
Speaker 1: Anyways, thank you for being here. Thank you for listening.
50:23
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50:26
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50:30
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50:33
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50:39
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50:42
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50:45
Speaker 1: stuff there. Yeah, I think that's about it.
50:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a doozy.
50:53
Speaker 1: Sorry to uh to hit you with that one today, Yeah,
50:56
Speaker 1: but I felt it was it was one that should
50:58
Speaker 1: be covered.
50:58
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean the stories need to be.
51:01
Speaker 1: Told, definitely. And it's also it's dismantling myth that is
51:06
Speaker 1: being perpetuated online because I saw it like this is
51:10
Speaker 1: starting to gain some traction, this story on places like
51:12
Speaker 1: TikTok and Instagram. I ran into it a couple of
51:14
Speaker 1: times where and every one of them are saying that
51:17
Speaker 1: he posts those photos online. No he didn't. Facts are
51:21
Speaker 1: important in cases like this. Not true just simply not true,
51:27
Speaker 1: at least as far as I could tell. If you
51:29
Speaker 1: could provide evidence, please do. But I have not seen
51:32
Speaker 1: the single shred of it.
51:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that seems it does seem a little bit
51:36
Speaker 2: far fetched. I mean, the whole thing does, really though,
51:38
Speaker 2: he does. But anyway, now you got to finish that beer.
51:42
Speaker 1: Yep. I'm going to go finish this beer and maybe
51:45
Speaker 1: cry myself to sleep, and until next time, stay wicked.