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Barely Live #61 - CCA&S · Barely Live

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  Hey, Doug, are we recording? We're alive barely all right? Because
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  you listen, I'm gonna go with the floor make and not me Mark day
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  Mark. They're not done, Doug, They're not done. Oh well well
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  well, well well well sorry about the you know echo he drops. But
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  you know, I'm kind of done just apologizing on here for that kind of
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  ship, you know what I mean? You know, Paul, like,
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  it's not like we charge anybody anything for this, I mean other than the
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  cost of their time. Thank you for saying that, Michael. Yeah,
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  I mean it's free. I mean, it costs some hours of your life.
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  But I shall not apologize again. If they were making pay for it,
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  then you know we should. We should probably apologize to our sponsors.
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  I mean, but we don't have to apologize. I don't even know if
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  sponsors the right word for it. Friends, I just like saying it because
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  it makes it sound likes you do have a Stanley cup. Of course he
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  does. That's Beca's add something before the whole Oh yeah, that's why does
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  Thereby do that every time gets popular? I like I was doing it before,
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  I like Dave Matthews before it was on the radio. This thing is
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  like five years old. I got Walt Doug Hated Doug hated Panic today,
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  like everyone started going to Panic shows. I was like, I'm out,
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  oh man, We're gonna listen to the Indigo playlist. What's that? It's
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  always like up and coming, like singer songwriter kind of old country stuff.
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  It's good, it's always and they change it. So he's it's like an
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  online magazine basically. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I would say
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  that's probably the best description of it. There's a bunch of people I've heard
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  on there for the first time. Yeah, so check it out. An
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  Indigo playlist on Spotify. I don't feel like hunting over the microphone. I'm
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  just gonna sit here, like do you all find like do you'll find like
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  on Spotify? If you do like a you know, they'll start arranging your
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  certain music you like in different like daily list, and they're all the same.
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  They're the same every damn time. Well that's my problem is, like
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  I like a lot of artists that cross over, you know, a lot
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  of the different they're all kind of tied at some point, right because a
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  taste of music, So at some point, all of your lists sound like
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  the other list. Like if I could click on Trampli Turtles or True Jason
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  Isabel, even though those two are not in my mind, I guess,
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  but I guess that's why you have that list one. It knows that.
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  Okay, you like the Bells, the Steve URLs, the blah blahheres,
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  and we're gonna keep that on list one. The problem I have with it
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  is it keeps singing it playing that same song. Oh yeah, Like why
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  can't it Okay, we we did this song today, Why can't we go
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  to track four off that album tomorrow? It's it's the same damn song every
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  time, no matter what I do. Like Rob Zombie in the Gym,
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  Yeah, fast Car, Tracy Chatman, Well, that's probably in playlist seven,
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  right, Daily list seven. I just can't keep the Robin Zombies's version
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  of fast Cars. The other day, I actually bought music for the first
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  time, like not not a vinyl. I went on Apple Music and actually
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  bought what you Can. Yeah. I didn't know that, but I did,
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  because why would you do that when you because like almost exactly like Paul
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  said, like Loose Ara for example, like Tennessee and whatever that album was,
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  uh or Tennessee. I think it was just the name of the album.
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  But anyway, like, yeah, if you play Spotify less Araa,
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  you'll hear two of those songs and almost never. Yeah, you can go
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  to Spotify to the album, but I'd have to like specifically do that,
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  Like that's too much trouble. Specifically went and bought. Yeah, I bought
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  the whole album and then like, and now I can put my Apple Music
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  on shuffle between that and it shuffles through every song by this and there is
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  there is a benefit to that. Yeah, for sure if you want me,
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  but Mike said, guy, but I'm not. They'll still have the
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  plastic frames around them. Hey man. And you can also offline too,
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  when you you can, you can save it to your phone and that's if
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  I'm off the grid or whatever. Wouldn't that be cool if we had a
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  little memory rollodex you could enter in your mind. Last time I bought a
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  CD at Best you know what it was? I know what it was.
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  Remember when you go to the Best Spine and have like the up and coming
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  like ten dollars CDs Like, yeah, yeah, you didn't know. I
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  simply bought the CD because the cover and it said Rolling Stone's like best up
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  and coming Americana album. I don't know these guys, but I like the
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  cover. Yeah, Mumford and Son, Oh my lord, they did.
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  They had some hype coming out. I had that. That's the last CD
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  I bought from best Buy. I remember remember the first CD or tape or
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  whatever it was. Whenever you guys are around, it was CDs when I
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  came up old enough to buy my own. But Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam
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  was the what was the question? The first CD? Aerosmith Pump or yeah,
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  New Kids on the Block. Yeah, it was Aerosmith Pump. You
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  really can't remember your first city? I really can't. Yeah, mine's less
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  cool and way more embarrassing. Match Box twenty Wow. It was hot in
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  the middle school. It was hot. It was the thing. You know.
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  It's funny if you think about it, like, you know, CD
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  players got down to like discmans. But when CD players first came out,
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  they were like these big wide When the one disc would come out, it's
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  like, why did it have to be? I guess because consoles they kept
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  him in that same size as the record player console stack them. You remember
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  the size of a computer, and it was basically a big calculator green writing
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  Oh yeah, dos, yeah, I remember I had to learn how to
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  like write yeah, oh yeah. I mean when I learned computers, we
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  had the big floppies, not the little floppy. Yeah, and everything was
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  in dows like you had to. It wasn't. You weren't coding. But
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  thing was like you know, see colon and then you put in your command
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  and then you know, and you had to like know that ship just to
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  like open the It was weird. Yeah, I'll use a technical term for
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  you. We didn't have a ghoy layer at that time. What is that
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  guey is what you interfaced with. It used to be. So when when
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  programs were ran by Doss, you had MS DOSS. Like so the first
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  say, Windows through ninety eight, all Windows ninety it's like Window ninety eight.
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  I think maybe Windows XP probably was to anyway, they all were running
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  MS DOSS underneath all the ship you clicked with, all the files and stuff
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  you clicked were just sending commands to Doss to do what you wanted to do
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  so that you could do it easier. But that layer, that layer that
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  you clicked on the buttons is called the guy layer, and that is hey
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  dog, you want to talk about something fun. Listen was brought to you.
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  We don't need mic anymore. I don't. I don't think that he's
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  talking about Lakers. I'm not smart enough to know what's now. But at
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  some point all hear about windows. You know there's someone out there smashing their
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  dash for one, I know all about layers. I'm probably wrong. And
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  the last thing I want to ask, does anyone remember like Contra left right,
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  left right up starts like I know some Contra, some bitch that's unlimited
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  lives unlimited. Am that's that's rolling? I think it was probably high times
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  sixth seventh eighth grade in Dallas and Snyder Plaza, there was a store called
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  Banana Video. This is right before Blockbuster came out, right around the same
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  time they started with around. There's a lot of independent but they started exactly
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  Yeah, and that's just a local Dallas rental story. The time we found
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  out you could rent a video game, you could run video system were we
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  weren't like Contra in all these games that you take. Cary Warriors figured out
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  what that background was with the swing with the squeaky, the squeaky swinging door
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  like ams like I'm going to look, dude. There was one in Jackson,
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  Wyoming. I forget what it was called, but there it was saloon
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  doors everywhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the old saloon doors of the
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  video store in Jacksone. Yeah, Doug, you would know. Can you
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  imagine the renting porn like I mean, like I just like, you know,
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  somebody else has has had that in their hand and you know what they
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  were doing with the Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like, I just
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  get the act of touching that. D HS. About the big the big
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  Triple X video stores on the highway that have the peep show at eight in
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  the morning, there's three trucks shop in the front. I don't know,
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  Like I never lost Gooey. That's a gooey layer. I know all about
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  that ghoey layer. Yeah, you know, like I don't understand how those
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  places are even a lot. I mean, I guess they sell toys and
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  ship but like I mean, other than that, like a toy store,
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  well, they are like Patrol. They call themselves that. It's definitely Paul
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  Patrol. It's Paul Control maybe, oh boy, But I mean like porns
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  free like you can just get it. Yeah. But now there's some I
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  know what happened in Texas this week. They created some sort of They created
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  some sort of wall in Texas is like VP and is that like a validation
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  of your age or something where you cannot enter any of those those porn websites
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  unless you validate your age, Like you can't just be well, didn't they
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  used to be like, I mean, I don't I ain't been on a
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  pornsout in a hot minute, but like, yeah, I don't know.
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  Uh, I don't know it's been while on porn stot. But didn't you
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  used to have to click a button saying you're eight team but they can't verify
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  it an IP, Yeah, but they can't now like there's some sort of
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  gateway I don't know, Well, there's one that like everybody goes to that.
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  It's like, I mean, like it's popular. You tell USU,
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  I'm sure I've been there. Yeah, all of that. I doubt any
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  of us are innocent. But we didn't get on here to talk about porn.
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  So, uh, anybody been fishing since the last time we talked,
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  because I have not, So there's that no sadly to say I have not
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  been None of us have been fishing. Talk I've thought about fishing. Oh,
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  all I've done is think about it. It doesn't really save anything.
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  I'm trying to even think. I I've made plans to go fishing. We
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  were looking at the tides in there, and there's an April seventh, pretty
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  big tide. I have every flood tide for the year saved in my phone.
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  One just the one upper, just the one. Yeah, I'm looking
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  at that April set as well. Yeah, I just have it torment up,
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  which I think it will be. The site used to be able to
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  go to. It was fishing porn videos. You could just sit there all
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  day. Well bad fish, right, No, it was something before that.
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  Uh, I don't know. I've got current close. But they used
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  to post all the fishing videos. I've got floods the twelfth all day.
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  There's a morning and evening eight and eight. Yeah, yeah, there's a
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  couple of those. I don't know what Badfish is the only one I thought
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  of where you could go. And before that fishing videos I got nothing.
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  Was it called? Uh? They posted a lot of mind Well I'm sitting
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  here thinking, uh or not? Moldy chum, yes, the chum,
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  Yeah, it died. It just recently just like, well, I mean
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  it didn't. But the guy was like, I'm doing I can't keep doing
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  this for ever. He's like the last blog alive. I think his Gink
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  and Gasoline is still around. I think so. I think they're kind of
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  making researchers. Actually, yeah, blogs were a thing for a minute.
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  That's kind of Instagram killed blogs. Like Instagram pretty much just a blog it
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  is. It's a it's a daily updated blog, and it's much easier to
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  update that than it is to do a blog post on whatever. Yeah,
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  you can't put a two minute video, no, but took about a link
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  to one. You can a reel. Yeah. Reels can be really Yeah,
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  those can be pretty long. And that's how they're If you want a
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  lot of coverage right now with your on like save a small business or something,
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  they they've kind of stopped really throwing that stuff out of normal posts and
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  stories. They want you to do reels. They get more traction. I
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  don't know why, but well it might be because the federal government's trying to
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  slit TikTok's throat. So maybe Instagram's like, hey, you can to compete
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  with TikTok. Yeah, yeah, like hey, no, TikTok No.
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  Well, what's funny is I haven't really heard about TikTok as much in the
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  last year, Like I feel like it has slowed down. Yeah, but
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  I mean it's about to get like just taken out and it kind of should
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  all reels, wouldn't it just be TikTok But I guess yeah maybe, But
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  what was the what was the benefit of TikTok over Instagram from the first place?
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  With songs I've never owned, I don't I've never had a TikTok out.
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  I haven't either. But wasn't that the big deal when everyone started like
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  lip singing songs but they were singing a song? Yeah, Okay, I
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  think I think all that was Instagram reels. I think are the most of
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  the Instagram reels artist tiktoks that have been like reposted into Instagram reels. I
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  mean, I think it's the same ship. It's just a different website.
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  I don't know. But we're all derailing ourselves again here. Well that's what
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  this first segments about. Oh, I know what I have done that absolutely
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  sucks. Yeah, let's not talk about what we haven't done. Let's talk
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  about what we have done. Working on the trailer. So working on the
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  trailer, not my not my house I live in. Is that w E
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  R or w O R W. It's w e R Okay. So I've
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  been so since I bought this boat like that. When I bought the boat,
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  the keel was destroyed and the trailer wasn't set up well. I was
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  like, because been banging into this trailer this whole time. So I repair
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  it, you know, reglassed and redid the keel, built the keel when
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  I was doing the whole thing. And then immediately after I started putting it
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  on off the trailer, after I thought I had fixed it, quote unquote
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  by replacing some parts, became very apparent that it was still making contact at
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  certain points. And now I've scraped all the paint off my keel again and
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  all that ass. So I you know, the guys that painted it for
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  me like, yeah, bring it over, we can touch up. I'm
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  like, I'm not gonna touch it up until I fix why it's happening.
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  So I came up with a plane and it'll work. And I bought all
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  the parts, all the money and everything else, and uh, nothing in
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  life is easy, Paul. Like I've had to bust out the fucking angle
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  grinder, and I mean it's just been every I'll to call it Tucker.
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  I was like to come over for like it takes two hours because that last
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  rib the like on the trailer lets I have. Like so I have two
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  main cross members. There's one at the very back of the trailer, at
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  the very ass of the trailer, and then there's another one right in front
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  of the axle, twelve twenty four inches in front of the axle. Those
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  are the two main cross and those carrying my stern bunks, which are the
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  ones that hold all the way to the boat, and they keep them.
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  You know, you you try to adjust here's the trailer, and hint for
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  you folks out to that mountain. You want as much of your weight on
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  or in front of your axle as possible, So you don't ever want weight
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  behind your axle. You want your weight as close to your tongue as you
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  can, or at the very least you want over the axle. So anyway
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  I needed to the problem is my front the rear one somebody had jerry rigged
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  and custom built a drop center. In other words, the center of the
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  crossmmor was lower, but it was all. It was janky. It was
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  him put together strong, but it was just look like crap. The front
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  one. They put in a square tube and aluminum straight, but no drop
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  center. So I was bouncing off of that front cross members, which is
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  what was happening. Is it Jerry rigged or Jerry? I think it's Jerry
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  rigged. I heard I've heard both. I've heard both, but my dad
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  used to call it jury. But I've heard jerry. That's how your dad
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  pronounced Jerry. Jerry. So anyway, so what I gotta do. I
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  had to do was replace the two cross members. So I went to Charleston
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  Trailer Company, the very nice people up there. They custom They sold me
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  to three inch drop center illuminum and they cut them to the links I wanted.
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  All that was fine and easy, got all the ship, but then
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  I'm also gonna replace the front. It's got a roller that's going away and
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  instead, like all your new boats now have guide bunks instead of rollers and
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  ship in the center. So I'm dropping that front crossmemb where the rollers at,
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  and then I'm gonna have guide bunks. But the problem started on the
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  rear because it was jerry rigged to begin with. So I had to d
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  jerry rig it, which involved grinding and cutting bolts and all. Yeah,
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  so that took forever. I've never heard of d d jerry rig It's just
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  called grinding with an angle grinder? What that is? Glad you mentioned it
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  because Tommy, those guys at Charleston, Yeah, super nice guys. But
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  so now, yeah, so I've spent at least four hours laying under my
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  boat, either being showered by hot sparks from an angle grinder or cussing it
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  a bolt. Uh that sounds hot. And I still haven't finished it.
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  So my boat is not trailerable right now. It's just you know, it's
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  fine where it's sitting, but if I tried to roll it on the road,
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  something would not go well, So I gotta I'm looking for these brackets.
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  It's a whole thing, but it doesn't matter. That's what I have
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  been doing, Paul, And that's uh. And everybody thinks getting a boat,
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  oh yeah, the battle magic. Oh I could have told you.
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  I could have towed it to Charleston Trailer and just threw money at them and
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  they would have built me a brand new trailer. And I've been fine.
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  But I don't have that kind of money, Doug, so well, I
• 18:37
  don't know you're out there buying CDs now? Are CDs now as much as
• 18:42
  records were ten years ago? Because since records were, I'm not buying like
• 18:48
  I'm buying stuff that's like classic. Like to me, it's like buying the
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  whole crew with Cooper Tino, California, and Apple's going we have one guy,
• 18:56
  Charleston, we got it, still buying music. We got him,
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  we got him. Keep this dream alive? Are you then, ambassador of
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  a CD store in Chino, California? Why would it be in Chino,
• 19:08
  California. Well, I think they're both. They're like suburbs of each other.
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  Yeah, a present, sure, it's a pan too. Yeah.
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  I told you guys because you were like music officials and let you be like
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  happy. No, I'm still somewhat stuff by it. I get. I
• 19:26
  understand the idea behind it. It's just like on Spotify, you can go
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  to that album, listen to all this song. Was it twenty oh?
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  Yeah? I bet you. I was. I was a band called three
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  Doors Down there was. I didn't know any of their CDs, but I
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  was in sixth grade and my buddy had his driver's license and my parents like
• 19:45
  let me leave the house. Like now I had CDs, but they were
• 19:48
  like stuff that your mom or dad gave you or whatever, like Garth Brooks
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  and all that stuff, like I owned some city. Hey, I'm not
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  mad about it. I'm just saying, like the first one, I went
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  into a store and took my money out and was like boom without parent,
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  what's this album? Yeah, amen, I can tell it was nineteen ninety
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  seven. Life was good. Yeah, worried La Dap. She always worries
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  God, so cigam warries. Yeah, that was like ninety seven, ninety
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  eight ish somewhere in there. Why does she always worried? I always worried
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  about that. It's something about a doormat or something. I don't know.
• 20:37
  Leave my war it's fright and my doormat in my doormat. Hey's speaking of
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  like social media and all that. Uh. I was pretty not amazed but
• 20:52
  kind of intrigued by Turtlebox this week when they were announced They're they're just a
• 20:59
  new color. No, they definitely followed that, YETI model was that Matt
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  color. It's like a greenish green with the white handle. But I guess
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  it's amazing how much impact you can send these speakers a month out to these
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  people will get a few videos for us. Do not let anyone see it.
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  Not take a picture. A month of collecting ship, you keep the
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  ship, send us the ship too, and then in one day, within
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  two hours, you've got five thousand people just all I did last I shared
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  it you. It's just crazy the impact. I would love to know how
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  many speakers they sold, like the next day or that day, maybe not
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  even that not even that color. I bet that color is already back ordered.
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  But I bet they sold a bunch of other colors because somebody went there
• 21:44
  to get that color. And oh I can't get that one. Yeah,
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  but that's a pretty cool color. Tackle the white cellout, I don't know.
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  I think well that that bottom land was a big That was another one
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  that kind of pulled. That was like a limited edition thing or whatever.
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  I got the orange handle once again. Turtle Box is a friend of the
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  We haven't we haven't talked about Frigate, Turtlebox or the Heeo, but we're
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  about to. Oh boy, but yeah, no Turtlebox for one major friend
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  of the show. Yeah, and uh, Frigate and the HEEO. I
• 22:15
  know you all got some drink. You got some boheos coming your way magically.
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  Yeah, yeah, I spoke with Duck or yeah whoever. You did
• 22:25
  speak with him? Well, email and texts and you send him an email.
• 22:29
  Yeah, I did do that. I think I was going for the
• 22:32
  Stiltsville stilts Phil Yeah, but no, so well, yeah, I mean
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  we got friends. That's fun. Man, We're so connected. Man.
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  So got your speaker, man, you got your speaker taking care of you,
• 22:49
  got your You forgot a rum taking care of you. Drink enough of
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  it? It is forgot we Uh So later on in the show, Oh,
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  we've got we're gonna call care trip out in Montana. She's a fly
• 23:03
  fishing guide out there. Okay, I'm pretty sure in like the Madison River
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  Range area. How do we know? How do we know this trip?
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  Probably Watcher be like, no, I'm a mammoth, like totally way off,
• 23:17
  but I'm pretty sure she's a in us. And then we've got we're
• 23:21
  gonna talk about some Cca stuff. Yeah, well just we're gonna talk about
• 23:25
  Louisiana stuff that involved Cca. But uh yeah, so I spent my week,
• 23:30
  Uh I wanted to talk about this because we're gonna get to it.
• 23:33
  I'm not even started on it, but I wanted to have a conversation about
• 23:37
  the Louisiana thing because it's been kind of big. There's been a lot of
• 23:38
  guys that on my circle that have been talking about it, and I didn't
• 23:44
  know shit about it. So we rather than come on here and say and
• 23:48
  talk about something I know nothing about, I made some phone calls, which
• 23:51
  then got me some phone numbers to call some other people, and ended up
• 23:53
  talking to some guys who really know, who have been involved with the process,
• 23:56
  who know what's going on. I sat down and talked for like two
• 24:00
  hours yesterday to multiple people just to try to get an understanding of it.
• 24:03
  I'm gonna give you all the dumb down version of that. So to the
• 24:07
  guys that I talked to, please don't get mad at me if I get
• 24:08
  some of this wrong. I'm I'm gonna do my best to relay what you
• 24:11
  gave to me in a very simplified version, and then we're gonna play some
• 24:15
  You're gonna hear a bunch of little quotes and little sound clips throughout this show
• 24:21
  that are gonna be from these guys. The three guys to talk to are
• 24:23
  Ron back now. I think I said your last name right, I'm sorry,
• 24:26
  buddy. He runs red Chaser guide service down there. He's a fly
• 24:30
  of God. Look him up. Great dude. We also have Ron Ratlift
• 24:34
  who runs a god service down there. You can google Ron rat Left,
• 24:37
  look him up on Instagram. Yeah, also big fly guy down here.
• 24:44
  And then Tye. Ty's last name is Hibbs. I think he is.
• 24:51
  He's another guy down there, and he's the main guy that I talked to.
• 24:56
  Yeah, I don't know, man, Sorry, my phone wouldn't recognize
• 24:57
  my face because I got the freaking microphone in my face. But Tie Hibbs.
• 25:02
  Uh yeah, Tie Hibbs. And so he runs a guid service down
• 25:07
  there. His Instagram handle is whatever bites. Super nice guy. Now,
• 25:11
  that guy I called him, and he has been at every meeting everything.
• 25:14
  He worked for the Fishery's Department for one point. So that guy had the
• 25:17
  whole line and he spent an hour on the phone with me. Thank you.
• 25:19
  Tye. Uh, super detailed. I'm not even gonna try to be
• 25:25
  his detail because I would butcher it. So I'm just gonna try to hit
• 25:26
  the points that matter about it. We'll talk about that. Yeah, And
• 25:30
  like I said, not trying to, you know. And and I just
• 25:33
  the disclaimer, all of these guys are obviously on one side of the issue.
• 25:37
  I didn't call for a rebuttal from the other side, but I'm gonna
• 25:41
  I'm on their side, So I'm this is definitely a biased, opinionated conversation
• 25:45
  we're about to have. But so just know that with me, that's fine.
• 25:49
  You know, what we should do to be a fair and balanced,
• 25:52
  you know, news organization as we are. I didn't maybe next time we
• 25:59
  should a hold of someone that's involved with like a C chapter. I wouldn't
• 26:03
  mind doing that. I would love to hear their angle on and what what
• 26:06
  made them make the decisions they made. That obviously is not popular with the
• 26:10
  guys that I talked to, But yeah, yeah, I just like unlike
• 26:14
  the unlike the the news channels out there, Paul, I'm coming right out
• 26:17
  and saying it is one hundred percent biased angled piece that I'm about to give
• 26:21
  y'all. But it's just because that's the only angle I looked at, you
• 26:23
  know. You know, and I think we should also say that every state
• 26:27
  CIA is different. It's not all c C A. Like if you say,
• 26:32
  screw CCA Louisian. You're not necessarily saying screw Cca, Georgia or South
• 26:36
  Carolina every specifically, yeah special, And maybe if we can't get some from
• 26:40
  Louisiana, maybe next time we get Scott Whitaker on here, I would like
• 26:44
  to talk to him about just in general, what you guys do, Like
• 26:48
  what I know, you have banquets and all these things, but after the
• 26:51
  banquet, all this money's funneled into something, what are you guys actually doing?
• 26:53
  Yeah, where's it going? What's happened? Because I don't know that
• 26:56
  I've ever been told that, and I think that that's and I think these
• 26:59
  guys at least what they've been talking to me like they're they do know where
• 27:02
  it's gone, or at least they're seeing what they think is the representation and
• 27:06
  they're not happy with where in their realm. Once again, I you know,
• 27:10
  I don't know. Like I said, I've never seen I've never had
• 27:12
  a run in with the CCI, so I don't know their side of the
• 27:15
  story. But we're gonna give the We're gonna give the story of the guides
• 27:18
  that live there. And these guys were very level headed. None of these
• 27:21
  guys are None of these guys are standing on a pulple trying to you know,
• 27:26
  burn the house down. Like these guys are all, you know,
• 27:27
  very level headed. You know, only interest is in the best. They're
• 27:32
  concerned. They're concerned about the fishery period any and that's all a love of
• 27:36
  money upat They weren't worried about their pocket books of their money. They none
• 27:38
  them really care. Well, think about those guys fish well every day for
• 27:41
  the season. There that's their office and they can clearly see over the last
• 27:45
  five years the decrease in population of fish. Yeah. Well, and one
• 27:48
  thing too, to point out, the guys I talked to are all Louisana
• 27:52
  natives. These are not transient gods. These are not And because that comes
• 27:56
  important when you look at a lot of the comments that were put up again
• 28:00
  where like, oh it's only these fly guides that are from out of town.
• 28:03
  And you know, in the words a ron Laonlift like you can trace
• 28:06
  my DNA, motherfucker. He's like, I've been you know, my family
• 28:08
  been here since anybody's been here. And so like these guys that are that
• 28:11
  I talked to are they've lived there, they grew up there, They've they've
• 28:15
  spent their all off. They're all talking about like, hey, when I
• 28:17
  was a kid, you know, when I'm setting out, we sat on
• 28:18
  one point when I was a kid and caught three hundred red fish on one
• 28:22
  point. Yeah, you can't do that today. He's like, you know,
• 28:26
  it just doesn't exist. So, I mean, these are guys that
• 28:27
  are all are seeing changes as well. But the thing important and I will
• 28:30
  give Tie some big, big props here. And you can tell he's worked
• 28:33
  for scientific organizations before because he was like, look, I could sit here
• 28:37
  and tell you about all what I see and what I feel because that's all
• 28:40
  anecdotal. He's like, all that matters is what does the science say,
• 28:44
  What do the big studies say? What do the the actual research say?
• 28:47
  And he's big on that, and I'll talk about that. But yeah,
• 28:48
  so yeah, we're gonna talk about all of it. Yeah kind of go.
• 28:52
  Yeah, I don't know what we talked about it before, but I've
• 28:55
  got you know whatever, Like I said, it's been blown. If you're
• 28:56
  if you're a red fisherman, I can't believe my Instagram is the only one,
• 29:00
  But if you're a red fisherman and you follow anybody in Louisiana. I
• 29:03
  guarantee you've seen something revolving around these limit changes. Yeah, so sure,
• 29:08
  So I just decided to take a little dive into it. Uh, in
• 29:12
  my non existent free time. That's what we're here for, are you being
• 29:15
  a journalist? I do a little journalistic work using this platform for the right
• 29:21
  thing. I was trying, well, you know what I told Ty that,
• 29:23
  you know, because I don't think I don't think he's listened to us
• 29:26
  before. I was like, look, you know, our show is really
• 29:27
  not that kind of show. I was like, but every once in a
• 29:30
  while, I like to talk about something that my matter sure is hell better
• 29:33
  than Mashbocks twenty well, and I will say, bravo, Doug, you
• 29:38
  brought it. You know, that's that's what I brought it full circle.
• 29:41
  That's solid. So in this world, if we're gonna go ahead and go
• 29:44
  out with a little war for scoop all right, in this world of politics,
• 29:49
  he's just uh you know, he gets he gets paid for just about
• 29:52
  anything out there. So I'm not gonna lie you. This is really political.
• 29:56
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• 32:28
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  my CD player, and I did on it was third I black. I
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  It's like fake British four non blonde? What was that say that liked
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  to get? The third was like, I wish you would step back bron
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  Ledge my friend, you could cut ties with all the lies. It's like
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  they want to be If you will me again, I will understand. I
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  would understand. All the credibility is good. Yeah, that one that last
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  I still stand by it though, it's good. It's uh. If
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  anyone hears boy boy G just spoil turkey sandwich with sprouts and pickles. Yeah,
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  that's going at it. Sorry, a little pumper nickel bread. I'm
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• 35:15
  Well you know, let's get into this Louisiana stuff, all right,
• 35:21
  So I'm gonna preface this play yeah, Ty hibs, So I preposeed this
• 35:29
  like I gave a little intro. So I'm just gonna preface this with I'm
• 35:30
  I'm not gonna get real specific on dates and things, just because when Ty
• 35:35
  and me had this conversation, I still had my toddler attached to one leg
• 35:37
  and was running around between the gross store and everything. We were on the
• 35:40
  phone for a hot minute, but I didn't have anybody of writing stuff down,
• 35:45
  so I'm not a journalist and didn't do a good job. But actually
• 35:50
  differ, you're a damn good Yeah. Well anyway, I didn't write anything
• 35:53
  down, so I'm instead of getting real detail on that, which Ty did
• 35:58
  for me, he was like on the own Tuesday the seventeenth. Then,
• 36:00
  yeah, he got really really detailed with me, and I apologized Ty that
• 36:04
  I'm wasting that effort that you gave me there. But the long and short
• 36:07
  of it is this the and I don't know all the names of their fishery
• 36:13
  services and fishing game down there, but the fishery services in Louisiana. The
• 36:17
  bodies responsible for managing fisheries in Louisiana did a study, a long study,
• 36:23
  years long study on redfish in Louisiana. Now this study was done to a
• 36:30
  te Why did they do the study give us a little back up. Well,
• 36:34
  because that's their job one is to monitor the fisheries in their states.
• 36:37
  So not long ago, Louisiana just made some changes to their sea trout population
• 36:43
  and that change actually went through pretty quick. Everybody was kind of on the
• 36:45
  same page. They were like all right, and so they were like,
• 36:49
  all right, we need to look at the redfish population. Now there's a
• 36:51
  big difference between sea trout and redfish, and the main difference is the age
• 36:54
  at which they become breeding age. Right, So sea trout become breeders within
• 37:00
  like a year or two versus redfish just take somewhere between five and eight years
• 37:05
  to become breedstock redfish, so they live longer, but it takes them longer
• 37:09
  to get to the point where they're going to help your fishery with reproduction.
• 37:13
  So that causes problems when you talk about recreational or commercial harvest. Right now,
• 37:19
  losinga much like the rest of the country other than North Carolina. Shame
• 37:22
  on you. Does not does not allow the harvest of redfish. They don't
• 37:27
  do gillnets, they don't do any of that shit anymore. But they have
• 37:30
  much more liberal recreational limits now. Their old limits were sixteen to twenty seven
• 37:36
  inches five fish per day, and if you chartered someone, you got to
• 37:39
  keep the guide's limit as well, so if there were four guys, so
• 37:45
  theoretically, if there's four guys on the boat, you could keep twenty five
• 37:49
  redfish if there were four guys on the boat with the captain. So that
• 37:52
  was the old way, right. So anyway fisheries does the study that's not
• 37:59
  existing, that's gone or it will be soon when this new stuff takes over.
• 38:02
  That's happening. Now it's happening. Yeah, so the changes are happening.
• 38:07
  What we're going to talk about is that the changes, how the changes
• 38:09
  got decided, Like what level of change was decided, why it was decided.
• 38:14
  That's kind of what I wanted to talk about with these guys. So
• 38:16
  Tye. According to ty who used to work for these fisheries groups and was
• 38:21
  super knowledgeable, like you could tell the way he was saw he knows his
• 38:23
  stuff. He's not just fishing guy. This guy understands his fishery. Sure.
• 38:28
  So according to him, and I don't know where he got the stats,
• 38:30
  but according to him, this is the most in depth fisheries study that's
• 38:35
  ever been done in the United States or anywhere. This was they pulled no
• 38:39
  stops, took years, took analyze data, and they came up with a
• 38:43
  conclusion that that fishery at this point is not overfished, but it is being
• 38:46
  overfished. In other words, you haven't collapsed it yet, but if you
• 38:51
  proceed at the rate you're going, you're going to collapse your red fishery.
• 38:54
  So at this point it's not politically driven, it's just science. So this,
• 38:59
  yeah, this is what the scientists. The scientists didn't say anything other
• 39:01
  than they said. They came in and they said, look, here's the
• 39:04
  numbers, here's what's happening, here's where you're headed. You need to make
• 39:07
  a change. And so they offered up basically a couple different options. They
• 39:13
  said, if you do a here's how fast the recovery you get, and
• 39:15
  we're talking five years ish, five to ten years somewhere in there. If
• 39:21
  that's a hard cut, that's like a hard cut. If you do b
• 39:25
  which is less of a hard cut, within fifteen years, you recover broodstock.
• 39:30
  Now there's two different there's two different you recover broodstock. Yeah, so
• 39:34
  there's two different goals here. Right, there's the slot fish, like within
• 39:39
  this timeframe you have more of these size fish, and then there's the broodstock.
• 39:43
  Now, the argument is that broodstock is the most important because that's what's
• 39:46
  going to make your fishery self sustainable. Like, right, the goal is
• 39:50
  to get more fish to that age so that they can make more fish,
• 39:52
  which means you have this cycle of increase of population. Right. If you're
• 40:00
  harvesting all your fish before they can get to broodstock, you never get that,
• 40:04
  right. So the more fish you harvest in that slot, the less
• 40:07
  fish make it to broodstock age. So the more liberal you are with your
• 40:13
  limits, basically, the longer it takes you to recover your broodstock state.
• 40:15
  Now, their argument was, like, any increase in or any conservation of
• 40:21
  these fish is going to lead to a recovery. It's just how long.
• 40:23
  Now, fishermen are not the only thing that affects fish, right. So
• 40:30
  the thing is, and this is The big argument I hear from the guys
• 40:34
  that are against what happened is that we don't know, especially in a state
• 40:38
  like Louisiana. They get said by hurricanes, they have tons of other things.
• 40:42
  There's tons of industrial issues there that could happen at any point, oil
• 40:45
  spills, chemical spills, There's a number of things that could happen in Louisiana
• 40:50
  that could kill off a shit ton of fish that would have nothing to do
• 40:52
  with how many red fish you kill on a charter. So their thing is
• 40:57
  like, we should aim for the shortest recovery time possible so that we can
• 41:01
  lower the likelihood of any of these unknowable contrastrophes from happening really without economic impact
• 41:07
  to the Yeah, so that was that's kind of the big argument you're coming
• 41:10
  into, is like, so take the bigger hit now and in order to
• 41:15
  make it better in the exactly. And that's their argument is like, look,
• 41:17
  we don't you know. So basically as you went down these options,
• 41:20
  when you got to options say D, the recovery time is like thirty five
• 41:23
  years, thirty thirty five years. A lot can happen in thirty years.
• 41:28
  Yeah, you know, hurricanes as country could be gone ex option that you're
• 41:34
  talking like somewhere around ten years, less than ten years, so you're talking
• 41:37
  about threefold increase to get to that, right. So what happened was we
• 41:40
  had these big meetings and there's a lot of contention, there's a lot of
• 41:43
  pushing back, and you know, the consensus was overwhelmingly that we wanted.
• 41:50
  You had a group going for the hardest cut, which would have been like
• 41:52
  the five to ten year recovery. Then there was a group going for like
• 41:55
  the thirty year cut. They came to compromise and they said, all right,
• 42:00
  we're gonna do three fish kill no guide limit, can't kill your guide's
• 42:04
  limit. And the slot is gone from sixteen twenty seven to eighteen to twenty
• 42:07
  seven, which whatever, but only three fish from five. So you're reducing
• 42:12
  that and you're reducing the guide limit and you're cutting down now that according to
• 42:15
  these science fisheries, was about a fifteen year or recovery somewhere in there.
• 42:19
  It's unreasonable, not unreasonable, well, maybe ten to fifteen something like that.
• 42:22
  Once again, don't don't hold me on these numbers. Guys. Ty
• 42:25
  explained all this and he knows it. By the way, if you with
• 42:29
  that. With that in mind, though, those guides would see it increase
• 42:31
  every year. Yeah, and that's that. Yeah. So that was a
• 42:34
  compromise, and everybody seemed like I and these guys are like we all thought
• 42:38
  like, hey man, that's that's great, especially and in ties on words,
• 42:42
  He's like, in a state like Louisiana, anytime you can get,
• 42:45
  you know, a decrease in harvest because just culturally, like these folks don't
• 42:50
  want to do that. So anytime you get something like that was a winning
• 42:52
  is. We were really happy with that solution. But then what happened was
• 42:57
  we moved forward in time and certain organizations to CCAP and one of them were
• 43:02
  still pushing for the thirty year recovery plan, like the least cut possible that
• 43:07
  they can make. Why they most like I said, like I said,
• 43:16
  because I mean and and like I said in the beginning, this is the
• 43:20
  one side of conversation that I've had with one little guys. There are some
• 43:22
  politics involved, but the big thing, there's a lot of things. So
• 43:27
  even though like t I said, a lot of guys are behind the card
• 43:30
  cuts, there's still a lot of guys that are not. There are guides
• 43:35
  down there that make their living, or at least they perceive their ability to
• 43:37
  make their living on how many fish they can stack dead on a dock for
• 43:40
  a big picture. They think that's how they get booked. Right. My
• 43:44
  argument against that really, and after talking to these guys they agree with me
• 43:46
  too, is you know the guy that comes in and kills nothing spends exactly
• 43:52
  like the I won't even say fly versus bab because's plenty of spinn rock guys
• 43:57
  that don't kill fish. They just come in and want to fish top water,
• 44:00
  so it's not a fly versus spend thing. But the guy that comes
• 44:02
  in just wants to go fishing, wants to catch a fish, release whatever.
• 44:06
  He spends just much money on a hotel, just much money on gas,
• 44:09
  pays the same guid fee, pays all the same money that the guy
• 44:13
  that kills twenty five fish on his boat for the day and takes nothing from
• 44:19
  the environment. He left a footprint, Yeah, he may have. He
• 44:22
  may have killed a fish by accident, because this is a blood sport.
• 44:25
  Fish do die if you release, But he didn't intentionally kill anything in that
• 44:29
  waterway versus the guy. So my my argument against that is, like these
• 44:32
  guys that are worried though I won't get booked. Do you really want that
• 44:37
  client that is only going to come back if he can take something away from
• 44:42
  your environment and burn it up in his visit? You want? Yeah,
• 44:45
  but that's not the point and time. Those guys didn't get into that.
• 44:47
  But so you have guys on the other side, and they're complaining about,
• 44:52
  oh, it's only these fly fish from from out of state. Well I
• 44:53
  talked to four guys and none of them are from out of state. These
• 44:58
  are all Louisiana bread warn and bread fly guides. But they do spend,
• 45:01
  God, they do all the things, and and so you know, it's
• 45:06
  not clear cut fly versus bait. It just isn't. These guys are all
• 45:09
  on their own camps for whatever reason. There's other things to be considered too.
• 45:14
  There is a large men haden personal personette fishery off of Louisiana's coast.
• 45:19
  And now that fight went down. Now wait a minute, let's let's spend
• 45:22
  a minute on that. Yeah, I'm going to gay So that's the majority
• 45:24
  what they eat. Yeah, so our red fish eating mullet, they mullet
• 45:29
  red. But everything eats man Hayden I mean Minhayden's a staple food for the
• 45:34
  whole environment. But that's not even really the issue. So, uh,
• 45:37
  this fight went down and actually CCA was on if you're going to call it
• 45:40
  right or wrong side, they were on the right side of this argument.
• 45:44
  Like CCA went to fight against the Menhaden trawlers the basically what they wanted to
• 45:50
  do. There's a couple of problems according to Ties is it's not so much
• 45:53
  just that they're taking Menhaden out of the system, but they're using their equipment
• 45:58
  wrong. They're they're fishing to shallow they're dredging the bottom of the waterways.
• 46:04
  Because persane netters are supposed to operate by definition. I looked into this because
• 46:08
  Tyler told me to look too a bit. According to Noah and the other
• 46:13
  companies, the definition of persaining is to operate in deep water where the water
• 46:16
  is deeper than their net's ability touch the bottom. So they're supposed to be
• 46:20
  open water saaners basically, but they're working in shallow water dredging the bottom basically
• 46:23
  with these pers sayings to catch these Menhaden. So the aim of the anti
• 46:28
  Menhaeden Netting company or Organization's NCCA was in this camp was to get them pushed
• 46:34
  further offshore, like hey man, you can't be in here killing all this
• 46:37
  bycatch and all this stuff that came up way short. They were hoping for
• 46:44
  at least a mile offshore increase, like where you had to be at least
• 46:46
  a mile further out, which really, you know, according to the guys
• 46:49
  I talked to you, it wouldn't have made a huge difference. Would have
• 46:51
  been something They ended up with. Fifteen hundred yards, which is less than
• 46:54
  fifteen hundred feet, was a quarter mile. They got a quarter mile,
• 46:58
  is what the compromise was. And that went through political channels. Apparently the
• 47:02
  companies that on these pa pair centers are big political donors to governors and yeah,
• 47:08
  so that that gets into political battle. So like it's not just recreational
• 47:13
  gods that have this effect. But what happens is down the road, we
• 47:16
  have this agreement three fish eighteen twenty seven. No God, limit CCIA is
• 47:22
  not having it. They are trying to get the council who votes on these
• 47:27
  things to have another meeting so they can have another vote. The council refuses,
• 47:31
  They're like, no, we're not We're not doing this again. They
• 47:34
  didn't. I don't know the council this was a good thing. The council
• 47:37
  is like, we already voted on this. We don't. I don't know
• 47:38
  what the reasoning behind not like but either way, at the same time,
• 47:44
  a new governor comes in and a new administration comes in and CCA is able
• 47:49
  to backdoor channel this legislation through the governorship and the state channels. Like no,
• 47:58
  they just went around the count So there's another Once again, I'm not
• 48:01
  I was literally had an eighteen month or twenty month old on my leg and
• 48:06
  I couldn't be. It shouldn't be, but it is. So basically,
• 48:09
  there was another way to get these laws passed. They took the other route.
• 48:14
  While nobody was looking think and everybody on tie side and the tie side,
• 48:17
  but everyone on the side that was happy about this compromise that had been
• 48:22
  made thought we'd done this, like we're good, right, And in the
• 48:24
  meantime, there was an organization working behind the scenes trying to get and they
• 48:30
  got senators and state senators and other people to say to pass legislation that increased
• 48:36
  it to not all the way up to the worst case scenario, but they
• 48:40
  now have a four fish limit. They did keep the goud in no guide
• 48:45
  bag, which is still good and the same slot, but they still back
• 48:50
  ended the fishermen who had worked so hard to get this cut, and now
• 48:53
  you're pushed into a fifteen to twenty year recovery rate or nine. I think
• 48:57
  it was twenty something years that they're expecting that the lost seven potential fish if
• 49:01
  there's three guys on a boat. Yeah, but the thing is like,
• 49:06
  I think I don't think anybody's and and I'll say this, I'll speak for
• 49:09
  Tye again. He told me. He was like, look, man,
• 49:13
  I know I live in Louisiana and I'm happy to get anything. He's like,
• 49:16
  I really am. He's like, it's I don't think the guys that
• 49:20
  are upset right now are as. I think they are upset that the limit's
• 49:23
  not cut hard enough, but I don't think they're as upset about that as
• 49:28
  they are as about how that went about, like it's supposed to go through.
• 49:31
  Now, none of this has been taken effect officially. There is one
• 49:35
  more meeting. They call him poper re meetings. I don't know what that
• 49:37
  means. Yeah, but the popating So there's a popa re meeting coming up
• 49:45
  in April, So poper Re meeting in April, and Baton Rouge and Ty
• 49:52
  is gonna be there. If you're in the Louisiana area or Texas or anywhere
• 49:55
  close by that that the official Louisiana regular and you're interested, Ty, I
• 50:00
  would love as much support as possible. Uh. Some of these guys I
• 50:02
  talked to don't think these poper Re meetings do anything. They don't see any
• 50:07
  points showing up. However, it makes noise, it never hurts to us,
• 50:09
  at least if you're gonna go down, go down screaming, you know.
• 50:14
  So anyway they're gonna there's still a chance I guess in theory that that
• 50:17
  council meets with this poper Re meeting and says, you know what, now
• 50:21
  we don't like how that happened. We're gonna turn to probably a long shot.
• 50:25
  Talking to the guys, none of them are real hopeful that he's gonna
• 50:28
  change, but they're not gonna stop yelling. So to get to the meat
• 50:32
  of it, though, what I want to know is what did this this
• 50:37
  possible new legislation, of these possible new regulations, How does it directly impact
• 50:42
  the guys that we care about well, I mean, and that's what Tie
• 50:45
  and them we're talking about a lot. Is that Tidy went on. I
• 50:50
  give him credit, he's got a little me in so he went a little
• 50:52
  like emotional, but he you know, he's like, you know, if
• 50:55
  your guy, if your clients only come back to you because you can catch
• 51:00
  them this many fish, or you can kill this many fish or whatever,
• 51:04
  he goes. He goes, then you're not a very good guy. It's
• 51:06
  not sustainable. He's like, my best clients that come back to me a
• 51:09
  year after year that we fish the same weeks every year, and that's I
• 51:13
  know their kids and their grandkids. He goes, I've had some of the
• 51:15
  best days on the water I've ever had with those people. And he goes,
• 51:17
  I've had some of the worst days on the water I've ever had with
• 51:20
  those people. He goes, Then they keep coming back, he goes,
• 51:22
  because he goes, it's about the experience. It's about what you, as
• 51:25
  a god can give them and and and what they feel they're getting out of
• 51:30
  it. And he goes, and that's I think in his opinion. He
• 51:32
  goes, that's what's missing from these guys that are that are to kill them
• 51:36
  all guys. Is they don't see that, they don't understand that, or
• 51:38
  they don't believe that. So yeah, I don't think And as a guy
• 51:44
  here in Charles, I mean, shit, you couldn't even kill a red
• 51:45
  fish to like two thousand. I think they started allowing you to kill one
• 51:49
  after the eighties when they were pretty much extinct. Like there, how many
• 51:52
  how many red fish do you? Like, not even like I know y'all
• 51:57
  ain't killed any, but like how many breadfish have you personally seen dead and
• 52:00
  a cooler at a dock or at a in the last ten years? I
• 52:05
  mean I can count on one hand in Texas at no I'm talking about no.
• 52:08
  Yeah, yeah, I was just gonna say I'd not here at all
• 52:13
  because I think that that period between the eighties and two thousand, it just
• 52:16
  burned out that culture. Like you just ye, it wasn't that like anybody's
• 52:20
  like, we're not none of us are walking around like all bout they're still
• 52:22
  just we just don't kill They're still drying tarpaino out in the Louisiana during that
• 52:29
  And one thing I will ask will point out slash ask, I'd love for
• 52:34
  you guys a chime in on this if I'm speaking, you know, basically
• 52:38
  being an uneducated person. I'm not a professional in Louisiana, but I do
• 52:44
  know for a hardcore fact, there are so many people who disregard this.
• 52:49
  Regulators don't give a damn. They'll fill three Yetti coolers full of dead redfish.
• 52:54
  They'll even eat the ones over twenty. Well, this is a nasty
• 52:58
  But here's what I'm getting. My question is, are the scientists taking into
• 53:04
  account the geography and the size, the absolute massive, yes, amount of
• 53:12
  the fishery. You could take Charleston's fishery and fit it into a tiny corner
• 53:17
  of the Teleppe. Well, so I mean you understand too, I don't.
• 53:22
  I don't have I don't have an answer for you. What I do
• 53:24
  have, though, is I think it's impossible. Yeah, I don't think
• 53:28
  it's able to measure the impact of this. That's why they could have made
• 53:30
  just the limit B three, knowing that how many people are just gonna taken
• 53:34
  And here's the thing, is like, all right, I don't I'm not
• 53:37
  a fishery spilist. I'm a medical guy, right, But I understand when
• 53:39
  you're when you're doing a medical study, there's a couple of things that go
• 53:43
  into it to make it a valid study. Right. So the first thing
• 53:45
  is you have to set it up in a way that you eliminate as much,
• 53:47
  if at all possible, any kind of influence you might have on the
• 53:51
  on the on the study that you're doing, right, So that's number one.
• 53:54
  The second thing you do is you try to identify any unavoidable influence you
• 53:58
  might have and try to account for that, like, okay, all right,
• 54:00
  my bias is this, this and this Because of this and this,
• 54:04
  I got to try to factor that into my results. The next thing you
• 54:07
  have to do is have some outside group look at what you do after you
• 54:09
  finish your whole big study and say, and then they go through with a
• 54:13
  fine tube of cole and say, where did they fuck up? What did
• 54:15
  they do that could have been done, or where did they angle it so
• 54:17
  it looks this way or that way according to tie. All those things were
• 54:22
  done, and the outside efficiency groups that came in and the peer reviews that
• 54:27
  were done on this study stated that it's one of the best most accurate studies.
• 54:31
  Now, this was done by a study or by the fisheries group that
• 54:36
  runs Louisiana. This is the fisheries for Louisiana. So if anybody understands the
• 54:40
  scope and breadth of their fisheries, I would say, it's got to be
• 54:45
  that like I you know, I talked to about have to take this stuff
• 54:47
  in a new account, you think. But I mean, these guys are
• 54:49
  the same guys as studies. So and the time made a good point too,
• 54:52
  like because a lot of people like to think scientists are only about,
• 54:54
  you know, cutting back what fishermen can do. They're always about saving the
• 54:58
  fish, and they don't care about fishermen rightither always about and in fact Ty
• 55:00
  said one of the actually not Tie, but I saw a comment on an
• 55:05
  internet article I was looking at were one of the guys that talks said,
• 55:07
  I've been fishing this water for thirty years. While am I going to believe
• 55:10
  a college kid throwing a sane net in the wrong spot? And you know,
• 55:14
  that's the attitude these guys have. These are just nerds that just want
• 55:16
  to protect the fish. But Louisiana, so the guys on the East coast
• 55:22
  were really like this. If you're into offshore fishing. So the American red
• 55:27
  snapper debate on those on the East coast. No, that was all federal.
• 55:32
  That was that was a federal fisheries commission, right, because yeah,
• 55:37
  so there we get two weekends in Charleston every year where you can kill a
• 55:42
  red snapper those weekends. If it's bad weather and you don't get out too
• 55:45
  bad, nobody gets a red snapper. And so they did the same thing.
• 55:49
  They tried to do this, the Gold Fisheries Commission tried to do the
• 55:51
  same thing to Louisiana. Louisiana said, we have our own fishers things.
• 55:53
  So they did their own study. They didn't agree with the federal government.
• 55:57
  They said, we're taking over now. They can do that because in Louisiana,
• 56:00
  a lot of the red zepper fishery happens inside the state waters, whereas
• 56:05
  good point with us, our state waters end about three miles out, we
• 56:07
  don't have anything. Most of the red snappers go past. Yeah, and
• 56:12
  so they have a lot of state control over Austra fish wars. We don't.
• 56:16
  It's all federal water for us. But anyway, Louisiana said, no,
• 56:21
  you're wrong, Like our numbers are different because of our fishery, because
• 56:23
  of what we have going with origs and all this, like you didn't account
• 56:27
  for any of that. They did their own study, they actually increased.
• 56:30
  Louisiana has one of the largest and longest and best harvest of American reds now,
• 56:36
  and their fishery has sustained since they changed that. So Louisiana's snapper.
• 56:38
  So Louisiana's Fisheries Convention actually stepped in on behalf of their fishermen and said,
• 56:43
  hey, no, the Federal Gunm's fucking wrong here, like we got way
• 56:45
  more snapper than that. Our fisher can support more take than they're saying you
• 56:49
  can. You should be allowed to keep more. And they reacted with sea
• 56:52
  trout. They they did some cuts, but they still with sea trout's a
• 56:55
  little different. Like they have made really good moves and most of the people
• 56:59
  in the believe and trust in them. But this redfish thing has hit a
• 57:02
  wall where the Commission is saying something they don't like. So like everybody's behind
• 57:08
  science when it says what you want when it's we call that a confirmation bias
• 57:13
  and medical like confirmation bias is like you already wanted to believe it and then
• 57:16
  somebody says something and you won't dig too deep. Whenever they say something you
• 57:21
  like. It's when they say something you don't like, you start cutting.
• 57:23
  The problem is there's nothing to cut, like according to the scientific reviews and
• 57:27
  everything else, like this is good solid numbers. The only argument that at
• 57:30
  tied and these guys are telling me that it's coming from the other side is
• 57:34
  that it's just too much. And they're like, well, what do you
• 57:37
  mean is too much? And they're like, well, we don't need it,
• 57:38
  like they don't have they have anecdotal. Well, I'm out there every
• 57:42
  day and you're fishing in the wrong spot. That's anecdotal. You're fishing one
• 57:47
  like you guys a walking it's immense fishery. So like, how is Jimmy,
• 57:50
  Joe Bob who fishes one creek system on that immense fish? Well,
• 57:53
  the problem too is it's a ratio they need to figure out, like only
• 57:57
  losing it knows how many fishing lessones they sold, Right, every year they
• 58:00
  go up every state fishing population fishing consumers are getting more and more every year.
• 58:07
  Yeah, so that means the ratio should be the amount kept should go
• 58:12
  down, like the more and more money they're getting from fishermen and buying fishing
• 58:15
  licenses should match the change in how many should be kept every year. It's
• 58:20
  not that hard to figure out, but that there is, there's some consideration
• 58:24
  that has to, like said, because these studies have to take into account
• 58:28
  water quality, they have to take into account other commercial industries that are affecting
• 58:31
  them. They have taken all the things account, so there's more than just
• 58:35
  the recreational guys. But from a fisheries management standpoint, the only thing,
• 58:39
  the only factor that they have a direct lever to change is the harvest of
• 58:45
  recreation on commercial fishermen. Like they can't oh yeah, they can't unilaterally change.
• 58:50
  Yeah, the state can make that change tomorrow. Yeah, but they
• 58:52
  can't unilaterally. There's so much more involved when you're talking about big industries like
• 58:55
  all the heavy metal industries upstream on the Mississippi River, or the pers singers
• 59:00
  out. Yeah, there's lots of other things, but those are much larger,
• 59:05
  more complicated political things. The only thing they have is they have this
• 59:07
  lever how many fish we kill, how many fish we don't kill? Yeah,
• 59:09
  And and so they they are And I've talked to some fishery guys on
• 59:14
  other issues and they and they realized that's a limiting factor and it makes them
• 59:16
  look bad because they're always picking on one person. They're like, that's the
• 59:20
  only fucking switch we have and we have to utilize it to the best ability.
• 59:23
  And they do consider political and economic and all that, like, they
• 59:29
  don't do it lightly. These guys aren't just like no, no, So
• 59:31
  in this situation, CCA is a political figure. They're a political figures.
• 59:35
  So they went in and were able to sweet talk the people that were making
• 59:37
  these They they they're lobbying, and they lobbied, and they lobbied against the
• 59:45
  science in this case. I'm not saying they do that in all cases.
• 59:47
  Like I said, they had a big part in trying to attack on these
• 59:51
  They had a big and even bringing the red fish back in the Yeah,
• 59:53
  exactly, So that's what I'm saying. So like they in this particular case,
• 1:00:00
  and I won't speak for Cca, we did not talk to the c
• 1:00:01
  CIA. I'm not gonna spot speak form or condemn them. What I'm going
• 1:00:05
  to say is that in this case, they lobbied against what has been unilatterally
• 1:00:09
  considered good science, and they lobbied against what people think was the right thing
• 1:00:14
  and the right thing that was already voted on and already agreed upon as a
• 1:00:19
  compromise to what really was being pushed for. Something tells me there's probably a
• 1:00:22
  huge New Orleans CIA chapter. I bet we can probably get a hold of
• 1:00:28
  them. Hopefully you get these guys sent me the websites and stuff for all
• 1:00:31
  these guys like, yeah, I just didn't have time to get into that.
• 1:00:35
  And who the hell an actual political figure is not going to answer the
• 1:00:37
  phone for Monk Benson, But we can try. What about Richard? Maybe
• 1:00:40
  Richard Casa could get him. I don't know. Well. And the other
• 1:00:45
  thing, the other thing to look at too is we have stocking of redfish
• 1:00:50
  here and Tiston, but it's it's minimal, and it's not we don't rely
• 1:00:52
  on that for our fishery. We have a reproducible fishery. But you look
• 1:00:57
  at a state like Texas. Texas lives on their stocking and the problem is
• 1:01:02
  they don't have a reproductive age group of fish. And so what a lot
• 1:01:07
  of these guys. I'm just gonna say, this is the closing note on
• 1:01:08
  this. The fear is not that redfish will disappear. You can supplement redfish,
• 1:01:14
  but the thing is the fear is that that's the next move. And
• 1:01:16
  that's that's where the conspiracy theories come in. And I'm not gonna get into
• 1:01:19
  that because I don't want to start all that. They don't want to see
• 1:01:22
  a downhill slide. What they're afraid of is that we will see the downhill
• 1:01:24
  slide because something will happen, A big hurricane will happen, a thing will
• 1:01:27
  happen in this twenty year recovery period, and the fish are gonna go hard
• 1:01:30
  down. And instead of supporting at that point a complete shutdown or whatever,
• 1:01:35
  they're like, oh, we'll just stalk our way out of it, and
• 1:01:37
  we'll start this stocking program. And that just hasn't proven to been real effective.
• 1:01:42
  It's it's effective in boosting your low numbers, your harvest numbers, but
• 1:01:45
  it's not gonna get you to that breeding, reproducing. Whereas Louisiana right now,
• 1:01:52
  Louisiana is producing its own fish. It's a self sustaining entity in redfish.
• 1:01:58
  And these guys, this is my closing message. These guys wanted to
• 1:02:00
  remain so sure and and the problem is not that this cut doesn't help,
• 1:02:05
  because it does, it helps. This is going to be good for you.
• 1:02:07
  Louisiana's fishery. The problem is it leaves way too much time for other
• 1:02:12
  things that none of us have control over to hit those fish and fuck it
• 1:02:16
  up, you know, like it may not happen. We may get lucky
• 1:02:19
  and in twenty years nothing bad happens and the red fish fish is great and
• 1:02:22
  and everybody's happy, and hey, it worked out. But you're playing odds,
• 1:02:27
  and if you're playing odds, the shortest timeframe is what you aim for,
• 1:02:30
  Like how fast can I get this done? Make it hurt, but
• 1:02:32
  make it hurt quick, you know, and let's just get over with But
• 1:02:36
  that's me once again, one side of argument. Didn't didn't they replenish in
• 1:02:40
  the early eighties here? Didn't they replenish these red fish? Yeah? And
• 1:02:45
  they still stock some fish here, but it's so nominal. I don't even
• 1:02:49
  really know why they do it. But because we have a reproducing broodstock here,
• 1:02:52
  which I wish the fuckers at the fucking grillage would leave the hell alone
• 1:02:58
  in deep water? Can we just do that? Like, go fish them
• 1:03:00
  at the jetties, fish them on the middle ground and less than sixty feet
• 1:03:04
  of water. Wait, you're giving away hotspots due Oh yeah, Well,
• 1:03:07
  the problem is everyone's goodly fucking just yanking them out of sixty feet of water,
• 1:03:14
  not decompressing them, and just killing birdstock red fish grillage sixty sixty five.
• 1:03:19
  It's on the edge of the channel. It's a little ditch, yeah,
• 1:03:22
  and they're just they're digging them up out of six feet and then not
• 1:03:24
  deflating them, and there's just dead fish floating away. And these are all
• 1:03:28
  forty fifty pounds tank redfish. What is it called the grillage from a great,
• 1:03:32
  great question? I don't honestly don't have a name for it because to
• 1:03:37
  the grill it's an old match box twenty so there used to be a submarine
• 1:03:40
  ter right there. But I don't know, wait, really they're yeah,
• 1:03:44
  it's on the like there was a submarine net during World War Two that they
• 1:03:47
  could raise to shut the harbor off so submarines couldn't come in, and they
• 1:03:51
  could lower it when big tanker ships were coming in. Yeah, but anyway,
• 1:03:54
  I don't know what. It's just a it's a deep water section with
• 1:03:58
  a lot of ship on the bottom that allows these redfish and they like to
• 1:04:00
  hang out there. The problem is it's too damn deep. You should be
• 1:04:02
  ripping the deep water. You can get the bubbly eyes. You can catch
• 1:04:06
  them a mile away on the rocks out of the jetty and ten feet of
• 1:04:10
  water, and yeah, you're still fucking with them, but at least you're
• 1:04:13
  not killing them every time you bring them to the boats. Yeah, it's
• 1:04:15
  a thing. Was the last time I haven't been out there five years.
• 1:04:18
  I hadn't seen the jetties in two years, Bro hadn't the j and back.
• 1:04:26
  So here's what I think we should do. We're gonna play this audio
• 1:04:29
  file as we go out. And this is tie so six or fifteen.
• 1:04:32
  We're gonna call care in fifteen minutes, so we're kind of in a dead
• 1:04:35
  zone right now. Yeah. So I'm gonna give a little intro right now
• 1:04:39
  to Kara. Uh, then we're gonna play this sound file. Uh So
• 1:04:44
  essentially, Uh, she's got a company called Damsel Fly Fishing. It's like
• 1:04:47
  a a lady geared kind of apparel and like what nots kind of fly fishing
• 1:04:55
  accessory totals. Uh. She's a little firecracker, a lot of fun to
• 1:05:00
  be around, and I just want to get into, first of all,
• 1:05:02
  what she does. How she how her day looks during the during the peak
• 1:05:09
  of a season. I also want to get into, like some of the
• 1:05:12
  stereotypical stuff of like that certain client that's getting on the boat and like,
• 1:05:17
  oh, you're a woman. I want to dive into that stuff. And
• 1:05:20
  I also want to dive into some of the typical things that this day and
• 1:05:25
  age in our industry, the first things we think of when you see a
• 1:05:30
  female that thinks she knows everything, right and do she might know everything.
• 1:05:34
  I think that's the typical thing. Though she knows everything us as men.
• 1:05:40
  I think we kind of have this this gate. I'm yeah exactly. I
• 1:05:45
  just want to get into some of that stuff, and I think she'll entertain
• 1:05:47
  us with that those kind of things before we play ties thing. I just
• 1:05:51
  want to make sure you guys know how to get all these guys I talk
• 1:05:56
  to if you want to go fish with somebody lois in it. You like
• 1:05:58
  their attitude on things, all right. So Ti Hibbs he runs fly fishing
• 1:06:01
  or sitefishing Louisiana dot com. Look him up great Dude, and he he
• 1:06:08
  has a podcast too. It's linked to his website that he can that you
• 1:06:11
  can click to. In his words, he started his podcast to have like
• 1:06:13
  a fun redfish podcast because it's basically just me ranting on politics now because I
• 1:06:17
  got wrapped up on all this. So if you really want the actual data
• 1:06:21
  and the facts and from somebody who's been there from the beginning to the end,
• 1:06:25
  go to his website, go to his podcast. Listen tie thy hibbs,
• 1:06:28
  Ron Ratlift our front. What's his podcast called? I don't know.
• 1:06:32
  I just know he has one. It's like to his website and know that.
• 1:06:34
  But it's on his Instagram. It's on his instagram, which I told
• 1:06:38
  you was, Uh, what did I say? Like fish? Catch fish?
• 1:06:43
  Do you like? Float fish? Right here? Whatever bites, whatever
• 1:06:49
  underscore bites, that's his instagram. All that stuff's linked there. It's called
• 1:06:53
  the Redfish podcast that he actually did text me, we should probably put all
• 1:06:57
  this on ours. Yeah, we might do all that. Yeah, we'll
• 1:07:00
  see. And then uh, Ron Ratlift runs Marsh down Marsh Dawn Charters out
• 1:07:05
  of Louisiana. Look him up. He want a good time. And then
• 1:07:09
  Ron back, Now, you know, if you're looking for a good time,
• 1:07:12
  if you're looking very good time. But Ron back now, so Ron
• 1:07:15
  had sent me an audio file too. He actually sent it twice and Ron
• 1:07:18
  actually just to worked for the radio, so he had this great radio voice
• 1:07:21
  was so it was so good. Uh Ron, Just so you know,
• 1:07:26
  both times that file deleted itself off of my thing, and I couldn't bring
• 1:07:30
  myself at the last minute to call you again and have you do that again.
• 1:07:32
  So we don't have Ron's quote. Ron h in his audio file just
• 1:07:36
  expressed his sadness that organizations that we trust and we thought were our best did
• 1:07:42
  not follow through with that. He has been at the fight too, but
• 1:07:46
  he was the first to say, you need to call Tie. Tye is
• 1:07:48
  the guy I want to know about this. Before I didn't know. I
• 1:07:51
  didn't know these guys, and ty spent so much time with me just talking.
• 1:07:55
  He was such a nice guy like I, you know, and I've
• 1:07:58
  known Ron a little bit of the years bag Now and and Rattle. I
• 1:08:01
  had no connection with Tie. And there was another guy that they steered me
• 1:08:04
  to him. We just couldn't get it lined up. But did you have
• 1:08:08
  to promise ty that he'd be able to meet Richard K? So one day,
• 1:08:10
  you know, I told him I actually more threatened him with Richard K.
• 1:08:13
  So I was like, if you don't if you don't give me some
• 1:08:15
  information. Yeah. So, but anyway, check those guys out, go
• 1:08:23
  to their websites. If you're gonna be in Louisiana, please please just book
• 1:08:28
  a trip with one of the all three of them. You're not gonna have
• 1:08:30
  a bad time, and you're gonna you're gonna know with some guys that give
• 1:08:32
  a ship about their fishery. So I wanted to say that before we got
• 1:08:34
  off here I go out on ties. Uh, yeah, let's do it.
• 1:08:39
  What would you call this like a mono? It's it's like a it's
• 1:08:43
  like two minutes, so it's not a short thing. But he's just kind
• 1:08:45
  of giving a little talk. Is this when you're thinking about what side of
• 1:08:51
  the situation you're on, it's a matter of more fish for everyone. You
• 1:08:56
  can be against having more fish in the water or four having more fish in
• 1:09:00
  the water. Some people have made this a fly versus spin or catch and
• 1:09:04
  release guy versus kill them all guy. And at the end of the day,
• 1:09:09
  you're either four having more fish or against it. It's just that simple.
• 1:09:17
  The only argument you'll hear against this is it's too much. You know,
• 1:09:21
  I don't believe the science or you're a terrible fisherman and I must be
• 1:09:27
  so much better than you. There's just no sound, science backed argument against
• 1:09:31
  what we're trying to do here, and that's make this place better than what
• 1:09:35
  it should be right now and what we know it should be in the future.
• 1:09:44
  You know, I tell people this all the time. For the people
• 1:09:45
  that don't want to listen to what the stock assessment that's telling us, Well,
• 1:09:48
  let's just throw all that out the window. If we do the right
• 1:09:51
  thing, the more proactive thing, and in five years I was wrong about
• 1:09:55
  the science, the only consequence is a better fishery than we have right now,
• 1:10:00
  and a better fishery than we could even project based on the stock assessment.
• 1:10:03
  If we do the bare minimum and in five years we find out you
• 1:10:08
  were wrong, then we're all screwed, left with no fish and probably out
• 1:10:12
  of a job too. So not a place we really want to be.
• 1:10:23
  Dougle recording, not talking about sandwiches, just saying it looks so good.
• 1:10:30
  Boy. Hold on, Ron's thing was here we go? Hi, I'm
• 1:10:36
  Ron. I'm a moderately sized fly fish. I want to caress so y'all
• 1:10:47
  can't see this, And I thought I want to go my music because we
• 1:10:51
  got a song to bring it in with. We can all hate, but
• 1:11:00
  this ship was hot. Carro Tripper calling just seconds Jesus. All right,
• 1:11:16
  Doug, you might have to give me some ice in some of that bourbon
• 1:11:19
  for me. I'm about to make this phone call. Okay, all right,
• 1:11:21
  you mind doing that? So while we're making the phone calls, you're
• 1:11:26
  talking about No I do VIVI tuger that that brown bottle I got you?
• 1:11:31
  So let me let's call her? You just die? Is that all right?
• 1:11:36
  Do you mind doing that for me? A little ice in there?
• 1:11:39
  Hook me up? Dude? Come on aboudio here we go. Oh coming
• 1:11:47
  in hot? Yeah, she's rot I mean yeah, I can't see her.
• 1:12:02
  Is she gonna answer? It's probably like the one time she's getting up
• 1:12:05
  together. Straight to voicemail, Paul, You sure she gave you? Hey,
• 1:12:15
  what's happening? What's happening voicemail? Yeah, we were about to leave
• 1:12:18
  a very funny voicemail message to Hey. Yeah, did it come across as
• 1:12:25
  stuff? I didn't think about it on your end. You probably saw it
• 1:12:28
  as a FaceTime thing. I'm sorry. Yeah, we do FaceTime audio through
• 1:12:33
  my little iPad it makes it a lot cleaner on our end. Yeah,
• 1:12:38
  it's it's just a little weirder if you choose the camera option, because then
• 1:12:42
  you're just staring at Paul. Well, I only it's only an audio option.
• 1:12:45
  Okay, good, Yeah, see, at least we can't see you.
• 1:12:49
  I am staring at your face. You are, Oh darn it,
• 1:12:54
  I didn't know that. Well, hey, well it comes. I can
• 1:12:59
  tell you. It comes cross now it's with you with a cowboy hat like
• 1:13:01
  trout fishing. Well, then, since you can see us, let me
• 1:13:04
  just know she can't see you. But she said she yeah, it comes
• 1:13:08
  across with like a oh okay, good good. She can't see you right
• 1:13:15
  now. Okay, well, what's funny, Cary. You're gonna hear this
• 1:13:17
  later when when the phone ring, you know, when we talk volume levels,
• 1:13:23
  we talked, you know, it's it's a hot mic, and the
• 1:13:27
  phone ring came in super hot and Mike goes, yeah, she's super hot.
• 1:13:30
  He goes, well, well, I can't really see her. I
• 1:13:32
  don't know it sounded. It was a solid intro to you. It was
• 1:13:35
  a very good intro. Caro, Doug, I'm actually looking at your Instagram
• 1:13:42
  right now. This girl catch. Yeah, she's she's not scared to catch
• 1:13:45
  a fish. Yeah. So you got Mike and you got Mike. Say
• 1:13:49
  Hi, Mike, I'm Doug and Doug. He just growled in the microphone.
• 1:13:57
  Yeah. So, Cary, thanks for taking in our call. Yeah.
• 1:14:02
  Uh so awesome. Appreciate you being with us and hanging out with us
• 1:14:06
  for a little bit here. Uh. I just told these guys, let's
• 1:14:10
  just let's just you know, throw a few questions at here that are on
• 1:14:15
  our mind. I know you just got back from is it Chili? Did
• 1:14:17
  you go to Chili? Argentina? I was an Argentina, Argentina for like
• 1:14:23
  a month and a half, for two months. This is a good pretty
• 1:14:27
  good run. It was a good run. I was there I think six
• 1:14:30
  weeks. Okay, is that the sea run brown thing? Well? No,
• 1:14:35
  I didn't get to do the way down, but I was at Jurassic
• 1:14:42
  Lake Lake okay, because I did notice a lot of stuff was lake stuff.
• 1:14:46
  Is so is there? There were some stream things going on too.
• 1:14:50
  Whatn't just lake fishing? Right? Uh, there's the Bearracosa. It's the
• 1:14:57
  river that flows into Lake Stroble, And so we did a little bit of
• 1:15:02
  stream fishing, which was definitely more of my comfort zone, okay than the
• 1:15:09
  lake machine. I mean, but that place is just bizarre. Maybe I'm
• 1:15:13
  just weird, but I grew up in the Appalachians, and we don't have
• 1:15:16
  lakes that hold trout. The only like still water that we have that holds
• 1:15:20
  trout, or like ponds like like the the pay to pay per pound ponds
• 1:15:27
  like kill it and then you got to pay the guys. So like that's
• 1:15:32
  always seemed weird to me, Like I can't imagine fishing for a trout in
• 1:15:38
  still water. I know, it's I understand, it's completely normal. It's
• 1:15:41
  completely a thing that happens. It's just in my brain those two do not
• 1:15:45
  Like if I'm in a lake, I'm bass fishing, like I'm not trout
• 1:15:47
  fishing. Like that's weird. Well, the question I was going to ask
• 1:15:50
  her actually is is maybe you guys can correct me, because I'm probably getting
• 1:15:56
  outside of muskies here. You know how Iamna in Alaska, those like once
• 1:16:01
  a year, those fish will move out of Lake im they'll go up that
• 1:16:06
  river and they'll lay eggs or under the salmon will lay eggs and the rainbows
• 1:16:12
  will come up there and feed on them. Massive lake lake trout that are
• 1:16:15
  usually just like rainbows that live in the lake or suddenly in the river.
• 1:16:20
  It's not like that, right, Like you're not like catching actual trout there
• 1:16:27
  and there they're moving out of the lake into the river. No, they
• 1:16:31
  do. They move out of the lake and come into the river. So
• 1:16:34
  I had so by the time when when I got there, they had had
• 1:16:42
  a really great winter. So there's still a lot of runoff I should say
• 1:16:47
  run off, but like the river was higher than normal and because it had
• 1:16:54
  good flow, some of these trout from the lake. We're still moving up.
• 1:17:02
  One day, it was my first I do believe was my first.
• 1:17:05
  Yeah, it was my very first week there. So I was just kind
• 1:17:09
  of shadowing learning the program, and I watched I watched this British guy,
• 1:17:17
  Clem get a fourteen pound rainbow out of this tiny stream on his and he
• 1:17:25
  landed on his on his like four weight bamboo. Oh my god, that's
• 1:17:30
  so cool. Is that streamer fishing? No? It ate it. I
• 1:17:34
  can't even say it out loud. It's so embarrassing. Like an egg,
• 1:17:39
  an egg wor a squirming you threw a squirmy worm. Yeah, Like I
• 1:17:50
  said, I was shadowing. So I was with one of their I was
• 1:17:55
  shadowing one of their guides. His name is Nano, Nano Nano. They
• 1:18:00
  will pack around radios. Uh it's over the radio and always like Nana nan
• 1:18:03
  no or uh yeah. My nickname down there was Rubia. So when I
• 1:18:10
  finally figured out the radio game, there were ruby of Rubia the radio game.
• 1:18:14
  To be fair to our to be fair to our squirmy wormy fisherman who
• 1:18:17
  caught a fourteen pound rainbow and uh, if the river was running, if
• 1:18:23
  the river was running hot, technically speaking, worms is matching the hatch.
• 1:18:28
  But high water means more terrestrials and more worms in the water. So you
• 1:18:33
  know, you haters can hate baby, but that's just the game. He's
• 1:18:38
  just smart, that's all that is. I mean, he did land it
• 1:18:41
  on a bamboo roud. Yeah, he gets extra that's amazing. Yeah,
• 1:18:44
  it kind of offsets would kind of which broke the last the last two minutes
• 1:18:48
  of landing that fish. I bet it was hilarious. I'm sure. Yeah,
• 1:18:53
  yeah, last two minutes. Well that's one of those where you said
• 1:18:56
  the hook and you're like oh no oh no, oh no oh no no
• 1:18:59
  no. Yeah, I mean it's not a good feeling. Oh this is
• 1:19:04
  bad. And they always explode like those fish that come like me right up
• 1:19:09
  those streams. They will jump like baby tarpin. I mean, they just
• 1:19:14
  those big old bows. Yeah all right, so, uh we skipped this
• 1:19:18
  part. Paul's a terrible host. Could you just give us a little like
• 1:19:23
  a little intro, like tell us about yourself, like your name, where
• 1:19:27
  you're at, what you do, what's you're about, all that stuff.
• 1:19:30
  We don't know any of that. Yeah, okay, Well, so my
• 1:19:33
  name's Caria Trip. That's my my god given name. You've got other names?
• 1:19:42
  I have so many For whatever reason. Everywhere I go and all my
• 1:19:45
  travels, I end up picking up nicknames. That's good though, that's a
• 1:19:49
  good thing. Like when Paul met me in Mexico, my name down there
• 1:19:55
  is Pearla or pearl Pearla. Nice. But then when I went down to
• 1:20:00
  Argentine, I picked up the nickname Rubia, which is like super fitting because
• 1:20:04
  it means blondie. You have it to me, I've got pearl and ruby.
• 1:20:10
  Like you're doing pretty good in the whole gym sector. That's awesome,
• 1:20:15
  man. But anyways, so yeah, Carre Trip, I own a company.
• 1:20:17
  My sister and I started a little accessory brand back in twenty fifteen called
• 1:20:23
  Damsel Fly Fishing and kind of just boutique style accessories. Accessories are easy to
• 1:20:30
  ship and and you can change them out in different colors to like waiting belts.
• 1:20:35
  And we designed a thing called a snood which is basically just a upf
• 1:20:41
  handkerchief with snaps that you don't have to pull over your head, you can
• 1:20:45
  just snap it around. And sun gloves, waiting belts, lanyards and then
• 1:20:50
  so there's that side of it. But the other side of it, which
• 1:20:53
  is the side that I gravitate more towards, is the guiding and outfitting and
• 1:21:00
  yeah, because that's just is so addicting, right, Yeah, Like,
• 1:21:04
  is that mainly the Madison area. Yeah, I'm out of southwest Montiana.
• 1:21:10
  I have a house in Belgrade, I know, Yeah, right, Belgrade,
• 1:21:15
  Montiana. Originally from Kallisville, Montana. Born and raised from fourth fourth
• 1:21:20
  generation Montana on my mom's side and fifth on my dad's side, the long
• 1:21:26
  standing Montana roots. Awesome. Yeah, I'm sure you could have a little
• 1:21:31
  little synopsis about traffic as far as increased anyway, that's a whole other thing.
• 1:21:38
  Keep I'm sorry I cut you off. More like traffic were more like
• 1:21:42
  trying to find housing in Montana anywhere I've heard about that country good grad So
• 1:21:48
  why did you gravitate towards the Madison? Is so fast? Like from a
• 1:21:54
  guy like a saltwater guy who's trying to learn how to row, I'm getting
• 1:21:59
  pretty good on the Missouri or a rich Man. Yeah, that is so
• 1:22:03
  fast and scary is fast? I mean, how'd you find your way to
• 1:22:08
  the mass That's a good question. Oh so it's kind of long drawn out,
• 1:22:12
  but I actually got my first job in the fishing industry as a counselor
• 1:22:17
  at fish Camp with the fly shop and reading California. So it's probably like
• 1:22:23
  the only person that actually left Montana as a Montana like left left the epicenter
• 1:22:30
  of trout fishing and went to California to go like, you know, hone
• 1:22:33
  my hook. You're you're exporting your goods and services. Yeah, well I've
• 1:22:42
  been out there and I got like one hell of an education. You know,
• 1:22:45
  I couldn't you couldn't land at a better place as far as like a
• 1:22:47
  platform for hosting travel and hanging with the best in the business. And learning
• 1:22:51
  how to build a company and and sell fly fishing and befly fishing and all
• 1:22:58
  that. Were you work in the shop like a tackle side or were reselling
• 1:23:00
  like travel. No, I ended up started off with a fish camp counselor,
• 1:23:05
  and then I ended up working my way all the way up into the
• 1:23:09
  outfitting depermits. So I was like managing like all of his guides, their
• 1:23:13
  calendars, booking, selling, and then any chance I got, I was
• 1:23:19
  either like teaching classes or you know, anytime I could get out in the
• 1:23:25
  field. So nevily that's kind of what ended up. They could tell that
• 1:23:28
  I loved being outside and in the field and wasn't really good about cities still
• 1:23:33
  behind a desk, and I could handle it for about for a few months
• 1:23:38
  here and there, but eventually it just I'm just like a busy body.
• 1:23:42
  So I think that's probably why I excel at the Madison, because it's so
• 1:23:45
  fast paced. Yeah, a lot to be checking out and figuring out along
• 1:23:49
  those lines too. We we talked about this before we got you on the
• 1:23:54
  air, that we wanted to kind of hit on them because it's something we
• 1:23:56
  don't understand because we don't have the ability to how was that as a woman
• 1:24:00
  going into this this field, Like you know, us as guys, like
• 1:24:05
  if we decide to choose fishing as a lifestyle or as a career, you
• 1:24:10
  know, nobody really questions that. Like, you know, you get the
• 1:24:13
  the hazing and all the bullshit that comes along with being the new guy and
• 1:24:16
  wherever you show up, but you're just another dude who whatever. So how
• 1:24:21
  how did that? How was that for a woman? I mean, I
• 1:24:24
  don't know, I'm not one, so I'm asking Yeah, legitimately, yeah,
• 1:24:28
  that's a fair question. Uh. You know, the positive side to
• 1:24:32
  being a female looking to get into the fishing industry and pursueing that is that
• 1:24:36
  there's there's not a lot of us, especially when I started, so I
• 1:24:40
  was, so there's a lot of room for opportunity, right, yeah,
• 1:24:45
  to kind of carve out your own niche. And when I started, gosh,
• 1:24:47
  when did I show up there? I think I started like two thousand
• 1:24:50
  and eight, maybe two thousand and nine, and so April Vokey was just
• 1:24:56
  coming on, seeing my friend Kate Kate Crumb to the Logic fifty eight North,
• 1:25:01
  all those gals were just like, you know, kind of breaking in
• 1:25:05
  and I was you know, I was coming in after them, looking up
• 1:25:09
  to them, people like Amy Hazel, all those gals. Those are like
• 1:25:15
  when you googled, those are my Those are the women that I I came
• 1:25:19
  in just after them or under them kind of and really like looked up to
• 1:25:24
  them for mentorship and you know, trying to find our way through it all.
• 1:25:29
  But uh yeah, so as a female, you have a lot of
• 1:25:32
  you have a lot of room to just to make it when you want,
• 1:25:35
  right, because there's not there's not a lot of us out there trying for
• 1:25:39
  it. Yeah, and you'll definitely stand out, stand out, yeah,
• 1:25:43
  you know, good and bad like if Yeah, I mean as far as
• 1:25:46
  y'all are just under a microscope, you know what I mean. I think
• 1:25:49
  it was. Oh yeah, every everyone's got an opinion. Yeah, everybody
• 1:25:53
  thinks. Everybody thinks they know you. Yeah, social media probably, you
• 1:26:00
  know, really exasperate right yeah out there. Yeah. Absolutely, So there's
• 1:26:09
  that end of it. And I think in some ways I probably could have
• 1:26:12
  done a better job and marketing myself here and there. But well, hey,
• 1:26:17
  you're still always you know, there's always room to grow, room to
• 1:26:19
  figure it out. You have fun. I am having fun. The biggest
• 1:26:25
  people always like, when are you going to start an only fans only fans
• 1:26:31
  only only fans only fans. So you know, I mean I could confident
• 1:26:40
  do you guys ever get asked to start an only fans I was about to
• 1:26:43
  say I was. I can confidently say that nobody's ever asked me to start.
• 1:26:49
  So that's the thing. I mean, like, you know, during
• 1:26:53
  this journey you're on, especially when you were just starting out, you know
• 1:26:56
  you're talking about mentors, and you know you obviously had more female mentors than
• 1:27:00
  male, But along the way, how many I had a lot of male
• 1:27:06
  mentors too? And did they o? My mercer at the fly shop?
• 1:27:12
  I call it my fishing dad, you know, the sure of the mercer's
• 1:27:15
  missing link. I mean that man is I could ask for a better person,
• 1:27:19
  sort of like push me to be a better trout guide or trout fisherman?
• 1:27:24
  Cool every single year, every single year we fished together in Montana.
• 1:27:28
  I mean I live here from here, and he still knows the rivers himself
• 1:27:31
  with Montana better than I'll probably ever because he's been he'd come out ever since
• 1:27:36
  the age like fourteen. He'd come out and spend three four weeks just fishing.
• 1:27:42
  Yeah, Unfortunately for me, I just started. I started, you
• 1:27:45
  know, I learned the rivers, but then started guiding. It's like one
• 1:27:47
  of those trade offs, right You're yeah, you're have the water all the
• 1:27:49
  time, but you're you're trading in your own personal fishing and like exploration of
• 1:27:56
  the fisheries and getting into it with your rivers for for for monetary exchange of
• 1:28:02
  your time on the water. You know. So there's always I know that
• 1:28:08
  I know that Montana works differently with like outfitters and you're the guide for the
• 1:28:12
  outfitter, or you are the outfitter. You are the guide. So are
• 1:28:15
  there any situations where you have a client that's meeting you at the ramp and
• 1:28:19
  has no idea that he's about to fish with a like a female guide.
• 1:28:25
  I mean, is there if you had that awkward moment where it's like totally
• 1:28:29
  obvious this person probably doesn't believe in you. Oh yeah, he wants to
• 1:28:34
  try to help launch the bat, Like how awkward people want you to help
• 1:28:43
  launch the boat. That just like kind of happens a lot. Yeah.
• 1:28:45
  Yeah, but but I do have this, man, I have this.
• 1:28:51
  I don't even know if you can make up fake names, and there's no
• 1:28:58
  rules on our show. Appairly, we have the PG seventeen thing, and
• 1:29:03
  you have the pus. You have the added security that nobody actually listens to
• 1:29:08
  the show. We've got five people to listen to people. She's gonna hang
• 1:29:14
  up on us. Now, I don't believe that at all. So let's
• 1:29:17
  see, let's seem I can. Anyway, So I show up. It's
• 1:29:21
  a I'm working for a different outfit in Paradise Valley. They had a big
• 1:29:28
  bachelor party from and everyone, oh boy love by the way, just saying
• 1:29:34
  New Yorkers, they watched the Yellowstone you know what. I think it was
• 1:29:42
  just before Yellowstone, like really like just destroyed Montana. Like maybe thanks Kevin
• 1:29:49
  Kostner. Yeah, thanks, Sheridan. I should send I should send h
• 1:29:56
  that guy in my property tax bill, Yes, exactly. Anyways, I
• 1:30:01
  had so so these this big group shows up and there's lots of other guides
• 1:30:05
  and male female whatever, and they give me my people and I'm introducing myself
• 1:30:12
  and shaking shaking their hands, and I can tell this this guy is just
• 1:30:15
  mortified. And so we like whatever. We get in the vehicle and we're
• 1:30:25
  heading up upstream to go put in, and he's sitting in the front seat
• 1:30:30
  and he's really just eyeballing me. How old holds he roughly, He's like,
• 1:30:38
  maybe it is like mid thirties. Okay, so he has no leg
• 1:30:44
  stand on right at this point, we're like similar age, right, okay,
• 1:30:49
  yeah, that much older than I or whatever. And I'm asking him
• 1:30:55
  about himself and he's like, oh, I do real estate in Manhattan.
• 1:30:58
  He's all about this indicator and he's like never and he anyways, He's like,
• 1:31:05
  man, I love boats. He's like, I'm a I'm a boat
• 1:31:11
  guy. I just love boats. He's like, isn't technology just so amazing?
• 1:31:15
  Because I walk He goes, I walked around and around your boat,
• 1:31:21
  and that ship is streamlined. I couldn't even find the engine, bro,
• 1:31:30
  Like it's hidden in some compartments. You're looking at it, buddy, he
• 1:31:34
  was genuinely, He's like there's He's like, I can't even that ship is
• 1:31:41
  streamlined. I can't even see the motor or whatever. And I said thanks,
• 1:31:45
  and I like slashed both my biceps. I'm like, that's because I'm
• 1:31:48
  the mine. I'm the motor. Now he looked like he was about to
• 1:31:57
  eject himself out of my truck. He was like looking for the that's amazing.
• 1:32:01
  I know he didn't put him on like a double rig thing. And
• 1:32:04
  you were just on the whole day with this guy. Was They're like,
• 1:32:12
  go to put the boat in, and he's watching every move of mine and
• 1:32:16
  I've launched the boat and I get him in there, and of course he
• 1:32:19
  picks the front seat and he's like he's turning his seat, he's watching.
• 1:32:25
  Man's in rowing, and he goes, man, I'm sure glad I don't
• 1:32:28
  have to row back up this river. Wait, you should have messed with
• 1:32:32
  him. You should have messed with didn't know. I'm so glad I don't
• 1:32:41
  have to grow up like me too. Yeah. That did he know how
• 1:32:45
  to fly fish? Could he cast a flower? He got a brand new
• 1:32:53
  Scott Radiant. No, this man had nothing. He was literally just bachelor
• 1:33:03
  bachelor party, and the bachelor wanted this fishing trip and all of his friends
• 1:33:08
  were just like at the mercy of like the Grooves dream destination wedding. Yeah
• 1:33:15
  blah blah, like wanting to play cowgirl and Trevor from Sarah Creek Keys.
• 1:33:20
  I mean, we met this guy. He he that's amazing. What he
• 1:33:28
  So they were eating the hoppers that day, and I kept saying, I
• 1:33:32
  kept saying, And finally he throws his rod down and turns and he goes
• 1:33:39
  stop yelling at me. When ye did, I'm like, all right,
• 1:33:47
  And just just just as a note to this guy, because we all know
• 1:33:54
  this guy. If you've ever, if you've ever, if you've ever charged
• 1:33:58
  anybody in your entire life, and salt fresh doesn't matter. You know this
• 1:34:00
  guy how and why? This is a question of the universe. But I'm
• 1:34:05
  gonna throw it to your boy. Why do in my experience, a lot
• 1:34:10
  of times some of the best days that you have your whole season following that
• 1:34:15
  guy's lap and they can't capitalize on it. And then they're like, oh,
• 1:34:19
  mins gered, Like actually, this is the best vission I've seen all
• 1:34:24
  the year, and you're fucking it up for me. She's rolling over,
• 1:34:28
  She's like, I got a head up here. He is just slowly eating.
• 1:34:32
  Just get ready. He was just a miserable person, you know,
• 1:34:40
  and like the buddy that he was, the other guy that he got paired
• 1:34:43
  up with. This is what killed me. The guy in the back was
• 1:34:45
  listening and like asking great questions and was thoroughly enjoying his experience. He caught
• 1:34:51
  fish, he cut the fish on the dry guy, the surprised, the
• 1:34:57
  guy who listened to, the guy who they paid money to actually had success.
• 1:35:02
  That's weird, yes, but the guy. The problem is is that
• 1:35:06
  the guy up in front, you know from I was on that trip from
• 1:35:11
  date. From the very start, he was questioning me as a woman.
• 1:35:14
  He was questioning everything. Yeah, you know, he already had he already
• 1:35:16
  had it out for that day, Like, yeah, for being a boat
• 1:35:20
  guy. He wasn't really you know, a boat guy experience. I'm a
• 1:35:28
  boat guys streamline, So you could definitely feel the negatory in the air already.
• 1:35:38
  Yeah yeah, yeah, but I mean, you know what, that
• 1:35:40
  kind of stuff that just makes for great content. You gotta have a couple.
• 1:35:45
  It's actually the funniest part. He tells that story is like one of
• 1:35:51
  the most fun times he ever had. Probably, so yeah, he probably
• 1:35:56
  does. He'll never forget that day. Yeah, it's I would probably believe
• 1:36:00
  that because especially now that Montana is so cool, like he's sitting in Manhattan
• 1:36:06
  right now, drinking of Manhattan, Like telling him at the time he got
• 1:36:11
  so many trouts floating down you know Yellowstone, you know the show? I
• 1:36:15
  was there, So do you ever hear? Do you ever run into any
• 1:36:17
  of those characters in Craig? I mean that's pretty far from you, I
• 1:36:24
  know, but I hang out. I didn't Craig quite a bit a lot,
• 1:36:29
  like I'll go do you know you know Sandy? It was a shout
• 1:36:38
  of dark I was that was gonna be a great moment. I don't think
• 1:36:41
  so well, so I don't. I don't hang out as much in the
• 1:36:45
  like Craig's scene as far as like she does her business there, Doug,
• 1:36:51
  and I do have a question that's not related to who you know? Uh
• 1:36:58
  so, so, like we talk about this a lot and in general,
• 1:37:01
  and I'm gonna keep this in general, but like, as as a from
• 1:37:05
  a female perspective, if if you had other girls out there that that loved
• 1:37:10
  fish and love being on the water and are good at it and want to
• 1:37:13
  follow the path that you're in, what do you see as like the keys
• 1:37:17
  to being successful in that? Not just in the like, hey do the
• 1:37:21
  X, Y and Z that all guides and people should do. But as
• 1:37:25
  Paul kind of pointed out, female anglers, particularly female guides are under a
• 1:37:30
  an undeservedly you know, extreme microscope as to what they do. You can't
• 1:37:36
  you can't dress a certain way or else. You're you know, they you're
• 1:37:41
  an only fans angler. You can't do this, you can't do that.
• 1:37:44
  What do you think, like I said, outside of being good? Yeah,
• 1:37:47
  what's the formula like outside of just being a good fucking angler and doing
• 1:37:50
  the work that all of us expect, all of our guides and all the
• 1:37:54
  people in our in our industry to do in that microscopic environment where everybody's gonna
• 1:38:00
  to analyze everything you do. What do you see having being successful in it?
• 1:38:02
  What do you see as being the steps that that female anglers have to
• 1:38:05
  do to be able to make sure that they can follow your footsteps as essentially?
• 1:38:14
  I think, well, it's a lot of it's a lot of hard
• 1:38:16
  work and grit, a lot of sacrifices. You know, I sacrificed a
• 1:38:21
  lot of relationships over the years, so still single, never been married,
• 1:38:28
  no kids, because it takes immense amount of dedication and focus, and unfortunately,
• 1:38:38
  I feel like if you want a family and some of those other things,
• 1:38:44
  you know, you're you're guiding and everything else takes a hit. Well,
• 1:38:47
  I mean you look at the men like and this is super sexist,
• 1:38:50
  and I'm sorry, but it's just the way it is. But like for
• 1:38:53
  men, they can have that guiding career because their wife is at home taking
• 1:38:56
  care of their kids home. I'm telling you, if I could get a
• 1:39:00
  man pregnant, I would. I bet there's some guys out there that would
• 1:39:06
  maybe see if that could work. I never got pregnant, but you know,
• 1:39:11
  I seem to be at home with a baby a lot the deal.
• 1:39:15
  Yeah, things are changing, Rick, New York, New York. You
• 1:39:21
  spent some time in California. You maybe just need to go back to California
• 1:39:27
  that happen. Maybe maybe, I bet I probably could. It's four baby.
• 1:39:33
  Yeah, no, oh, he's the success. That's such a hard
• 1:39:38
  question. I don't even really I know, it's it's ridiculous. I think.
• 1:39:42
  I think just being just true to yourself and who you are, I
• 1:39:45
  think is the best way. There's so many girls online that I think are
• 1:39:50
  legit fishermen and good anglers, and whether the guys or not, they just
• 1:39:55
  screw up online and like do stuff that they shouldn't be doing unnecessarily, and
• 1:40:00
  it's just it's it can get frustrating after a while because I know a couple
• 1:40:02
  of them personally that online I'm like, what are you doing? But on
• 1:40:06
  the side, I'm like, I know they're a good person. I know
• 1:40:09
  they're good fishermen. I know they're good anglers, and they're just they just
• 1:40:12
  they just go out of their way, I think to overdo some stuff and
• 1:40:16
  it just, you know, I think that's what you know, I think.
• 1:40:23
  I think in the beginning, like when I first started, I knew
• 1:40:26
  that we were under especially since Lennay and I decided to do like a cute
• 1:40:30
  see boutique style accessory line, and I remember telling her, I was like,
• 1:40:35
  listen, you know, it's it's good to be like cute and and
• 1:40:42
  tap into our feminine side. But at the same time, I told her,
• 1:40:45
  it's really important to me that that I work really hard and that I
• 1:40:50
  know my know my know my game, and that I do it really well.
• 1:40:56
  And because people are going to be criticizing us more so, I I
• 1:41:00
  really need to know my ship, yeah, and it needs to be really
• 1:41:05
  good, whether I'm a man or a woman, and because they're just gonna
• 1:41:10
  be watching it. And I told her I'm just gonna be really it's gonna
• 1:41:13
  be hard, to be really hard, and there's gonna be criticism and it,
• 1:41:18
  you know, so we just you just gotta be tough and gritty and
• 1:41:21
  you just got to grind it out, and you know, instead of being
• 1:41:25
  maybe too so concerned with like Instagram followers, like my direction was just like
• 1:41:30
  really focusing on like my skill set and getting better in that area. And
• 1:41:36
  I'm not very good at being consistent at posting social media doing a lot of
• 1:41:42
  that as other people are. But at the same time, it's usually because
• 1:41:45
  I'm out I am the one I don't have time to like grab my phone
• 1:41:49
  because I'm rowing or totally and I think and I think it comes across I
• 1:41:54
  think the one the one feeling I get from it, honestly is you know,
• 1:42:00
  whether you know your stuff or not. I think you do. But
• 1:42:02
  the way it comes across on Instagram is you're having fun and you're out there
• 1:42:06
  doing it, and it comes across as that you must know your stuff because
• 1:42:10
  you're successful in what you're doing and you're giving a good feeling. On the
• 1:42:14
  other side of the Instagram view were like, I don't know, it's clear
• 1:42:16
  that you're having fun out there and doing it. So that's that's the most
• 1:42:19
  important thing I think that comes across. So I noticed that you you plan
• 1:42:24
  your vacations around winter and Montana is it. Have you ever just like stayed
• 1:42:29
  there through a winter there? Well, okay, forget, I did twenty
• 1:42:35
  seven years of hard time, hard time, hard time. Yeah, that's
• 1:42:43
  what I call it, is a hard time. And then when I moved
• 1:42:46
  out to California, I would call home and I would tell my mom,
• 1:42:50
  I'm like, just leave. It'd be calving season and I'd be like,
• 1:42:54
  you should just leave. Dad. I was like, there's this place called
• 1:43:00
  California. It's so I grew up. I grew up in the mountains and
• 1:43:09
  and in Appolos nothing like out west. It's not it's not the Rockies,
• 1:43:13
  but the winners are still bleak and cold and high altered, you know,
• 1:43:16
  high alto for our and and we have a moisture content that y'all can't deal
• 1:43:19
  with. But the thing is, I can't even go back there. And
• 1:43:24
  every time I think, oh, I'd love to move out West. And
• 1:43:27
  I thought this many times over my life. I see some of my buddies
• 1:43:30
  that live out West, like right now. It was seventy degrees yesterday or
• 1:43:33
  eighty degrees yesterday actually, and I was out having a good time in short
• 1:43:38
  sleeves and shorts and flip flops, and I look at my buddy Ben's Instagram
• 1:43:43
  and he got like three feet of snow and I was like, yeah,
• 1:43:46
  fuck that. I'm not living out there like that is not a thing that
• 1:43:50
  is for Mike Benson. I'm fascinated. I'm not fascinated about it at all.
• 1:43:55
  It's funny. I got four I got I did four years. I
• 1:44:00
  did four years a hard time, and that's enough for me. Four years.
• 1:44:03
  Yeah, Like I mean Montana hard, Montana winters. We need them,
• 1:44:08
  right yeah, purpose So I'm not Yeah, absolutely so I like this
• 1:44:14
  year, I'm praying that we get like a couple more bring snow showers to
• 1:44:19
  help us out this summer. But it doesn't mean that you it doesn't mean
• 1:44:24
  that you have to like it doesn't mean that you just have to stay here
• 1:44:27
  and like suffer through it, you know, it doesn't. I have to
• 1:44:30
  tell her one thing, Okay, so one thing I do have to say,
• 1:44:34
  so growing up salt Water, Okay, the one thing I will always
• 1:44:41
  do. I wonder if you have any other clients who do this, if
• 1:44:44
  they get frustrated, like trying to fish naps and being really technical, nobody's
• 1:44:48
  got to reach cast. That's it's hard. So so I used to always
• 1:44:56
  bring a little sink tip and I would fish fucking middle and we put on
• 1:45:01
  a nasty streamer fish the middle guy, and I swear to god, it
• 1:45:06
  always worked. Do you ever have that, you're having any guys, just
• 1:45:11
  big double haul out of the middle and just rip it, just rip it.
• 1:45:19
  I love that for the Madison. A lot of those the Madison just
• 1:45:25
  gets so much pressure and people, you know, target the banks and the
• 1:45:29
  boulders along the bank, and those fish do you get displaced and they move
• 1:45:32
  out into the middle. And that's like one of my you know, oh
• 1:45:36
  you're you're guiding, you're guiding somebody. And finally I'll be like, hey,
• 1:45:42
  I know it's weird. I'm going to ask you to toss that hopper
• 1:45:44
  out in the middle like I'm the middle and not non just non just script
• 1:45:48
  water. Yes, go to the hoppa, Come on, fish the middle
• 1:46:00
  because those those big those fish just get wha. It was a good boy.
• 1:46:09
  Hey care, we're gonna start winding it up. But these guys might
• 1:46:12
  have these guys might have a last question. But uh, I'm gonna just
• 1:46:15
  ask a quick one. Do you got any salt water trips? Playing it
• 1:46:17
  all before you start? You better come up with another one. I don't
• 1:46:24
  have any salt water, but I have a trip to Rio Marie at the
• 1:46:30
  end of October. Where is that? Yeah, you got to explain that
• 1:46:34
  bil okay to going to palm trees, but not salt water. Cool,
• 1:46:45
  that'll be fun. Well, hey, good luck with the season coming up?
• 1:46:47
  When's when's your first or when's the next trip? When's the next client
• 1:46:50
  trip? I think my next one. I think April. Okay, so
• 1:46:56
  it's coming up. Yeah, I know, I'm a little I just the
• 1:47:00
  boat off to have some maintenance done on the that that's not how That's how
• 1:47:08
  it works around here. You got to do your own boat trailer maintenance.
• 1:47:12
  I doesnet been under my boat trailer for like three days now. It's still
• 1:47:15
  broke, but I'm still under it. See, I don't mess around.
• 1:47:20
  I just like brought it into my buddy. Thank you. I'm the same
• 1:47:25
  way. That's bush league, bush league, you gotta get up under there
• 1:47:28
  on you. I play ball in the Bush League. That's that I can
• 1:47:30
  do. I take my trailier to people I refuse. I got tools.
• 1:47:36
  See, well, you can't bring your tools over here. And yeah,
• 1:47:40
  Mike making trip to Montana? All right? Cool? I met for careful.
• 1:47:46
  How you say that? Children? He knows where the airport is?
• 1:47:55
  All right, Carol? Well, hey, thanks for that's awesome. Thanks
• 1:47:58
  for hanging out and wasting your time. I'm with us. That was awesome.
• 1:48:02
  Out of out of five people, you might have two people hit you
• 1:48:05
  up on Instagram, you're gonna get two, car tell us, tell us,
• 1:48:10
  uh, where people can find you? Tell the best people, the
• 1:48:13
  best white people can find you. You can find me online. I have
• 1:48:17
  a website, damselfly fishing dot com, and there's actually an online booking system.
• 1:48:24
  You can go check out my calendar, click the dates that work for
• 1:48:28
  you, and it sends a text to my phone telling me you're interested.
• 1:48:32
  I just I can either just approve it right then and there or give you
• 1:48:36
  a call back and we can talk through the program and make sure that I
• 1:48:42
  can can make your dream fishing trip come true. New York. Yeah,
• 1:48:47
  don't, don't. It was just one and on Instagram. It's Damsel fly
• 1:48:57
  fishing too, I think, right, yeah, Damsel, yes, little
• 1:49:00
  it's like a weird you know, Damsel with the underscore get probably pretty close
• 1:49:04
  to you. Think anyone out there just types out underscore Damsel under like let
• 1:49:10
  the letters underscore. It should just pop, right, Yeah it does.
• 1:49:14
  I'm just my original. My personal instagram no longer exists because it got hijacked.
• 1:49:21
  But you were gonna. I had a real good time. How did
• 1:49:28
  y'all fall for that? And how did y'all fall for that? I thought
• 1:49:34
  I was being nice to my messaging. No nobody likes will you? Will
• 1:49:39
  you put this out there and re redo it? Yeah? Well, hey,
• 1:49:43
  I think Damsel fly Fishing works just fine. Yeah. Yeah, people,
• 1:49:49
  we're all running to you in Mexico on Iguanda Island again some time.
• 1:49:54
  Yeah, Paul, because he's Paul Pucketty unless you make it to Charleston.
• 1:49:58
  Finally, I run into cool people on islands in Mexico yet, Yeah,
• 1:50:04
  in person. Yeah, yeah, we had messaged each other before about whatever
• 1:50:11
  and then uh and then yeah, so yeah there you go. We finally
• 1:50:15
  we actually we almost beat some guys from We're really from Paul, New York.
• 1:50:21
  So Oh yeah, I'm all. My my folks were all from South
• 1:50:25
  Carolina. Yeah, you ain't. You ain't gonna beat nobody from South Carolina.
• 1:50:28
  Team in South Carolina cornhole never not one in the history of Cornwall.
• 1:50:34
  Unless you're from South Carolina, you might have a chance. Well, at
• 1:50:41
  one point they did ask me, They're like, are you sure you're not
• 1:50:43
  from South Carolina? Yeah? Yeah, because y'all had a couple of guys
• 1:50:45
  from y'all had a couple of Notice you didn't win, did you. I
• 1:50:50
  didn't win either. You're not from South Carolina, that's true, but your
• 1:50:56
  people carry You had people in your group from South Carolina too, Like they
• 1:50:59
  were the guy from like Hilton Head, three of them that I met.
• 1:51:03
  Nobody's from here. Whatever, let's let her go her, let's go let
• 1:51:08
  her have her. We had fun. That was great. Oh my goodness,
• 1:51:15
  guys thinks so much. You so much. I'm gonna start and messaging
• 1:51:25
  strange women on the internet and meeting them on islands in Mexico. I definitely
• 1:51:31
  won't want to fit to She sounds good man. I think anyone that would
• 1:51:35
  listen to this podcast and heard that would be like I definitely would. Yeah,
• 1:51:39
  she had. She had the attitude that all fly fish they call it
• 1:51:45
  grit. No, yeah, dude, that's that's my whole answer. I
• 1:51:47
  want. I asked her that question because like, nobody questions a young dude
• 1:51:50
  who wants to be a fly guy right like that is automatically soon he's some
• 1:51:55
  young hippie. Yeah, but for a chick, like there's on automatic,
• 1:51:58
  like what the fuck you know? And that's not fair. It's just not
• 1:52:00
  now. I mean, I think a lot of people out there, male
• 1:52:04
  and female, are doing the whole damn thing right. I can't believe it
• 1:52:08
  right, and it's gonna row. Oh that's funny, that's definitely. I
• 1:52:17
  did a bachelor party one time in my very extremely short career as a guy.
• 1:52:24
  I did. I did a bachelor party and this guy should It was
• 1:52:27
  April and Charleston. You know how the weather it was, dudes in shorts,
• 1:52:30
  flip flops, t shirt, it's good, it's cold, and like
• 1:52:33
  we leave the dock and I'm like, man, I look at him.
• 1:52:36
  All his buddies have jackets, and yeah, I wronged up and I did.
• 1:52:41
  I had an extra jacket in my boat. I'm like, you're lucky.
• 1:52:43
  I'm actually a prepared individual. I have a spare jacket, I have
• 1:52:45
  spare clothing in my back because ships about and I was like, we're making
• 1:52:49
  like because we launched at shim Creek. But now it's not his fault,
• 1:52:54
  but my fishing at that time area was really further north. I was like,
• 1:52:58
  we're about to make like a ten mile run at like forty five miles
• 1:53:01
  an hour, like humming. I was like, you're not gonna be happy.
• 1:53:04
  I was like, here, put this on, put that on.
• 1:53:06
  And we got there and he took it all. Like after the day,
• 1:53:09
  he gave me my stuff back. He's like my own thank you for having
• 1:53:12
  that. I was like, dude, I was like, you can't show
• 1:53:15
  up out a charter with nothing, like you gotta have some ship, Like
• 1:53:18
  come on man, Okay, So when we come back, we're gonna what
• 1:53:24
  is that he's excited about something. I just got to tickle you're not doing
• 1:53:35
  a good job of the podcast. Then we're gonna meet Genie really Calibri,
• 1:53:45
  the Calabrisi brothers are back. He's coming in the studio. Oh he's coming
• 1:53:48
  in. Yeah, he's coming Genaillo, Gennerino, Gennerino Calabriz. Okay,
• 1:53:56
  now that the og fans of the show remember the Calabriz boy. Yeah,
• 1:53:59
  but he won. He has some new organization to talk about for fishing conservation
• 1:54:04
  with an a door policy around this place. All right, what we got
• 1:54:09
  going out? It's not man working? Yeah, hm hm m hmm.
• 1:54:23
  Interesting all of a sudden, nothing's working right out of here. Yeah,
• 1:54:34
  well you know this is a let's just work through this. We'll figure it
• 1:54:40
  out, all right, we'll see all a little bit. Yeah, we'll
• 1:54:43
  just cut it. The ground was covered in tears of mothers, and he
• 1:55:15
  sweat to dashes fire around the sky. Father told me, no bad,
• 1:55:19
  oh what you do, gid On, don't you make your fama cry?
• 1:55:34
  And I spent three months since I've been home, never seen so much.
• 1:55:42
  He had a scene go naughty and no fire turning? Not today. Then
• 1:55:46
  I felt something, so my fama told me to wi brother and cares a
• 1:55:55
  mound in the fire around the sky. Father told me, no, mad
• 1:56:06
  sound, let that man break. I mean, if that's not that Mike
• 1:56:10
  Benson's it tingled something down deep my scotch Iris roots was screaming for I want
• 1:56:16
  to out, but goddamn englishman amazing. So here's my taking Change Smith of
• 1:56:24
  the Saints. I like them, but they're so dramatic, like this is
• 1:56:29
  this song is good. This song is good. This is a song that's
• 1:56:31
  like country meets heavy metal kind in a way. That's Mike Benson. Yeah,
• 1:56:35
  but when I heard that song was like, this is Mike Vinson singing
• 1:56:40
  this. It's very Scotch irish. Oh yeah, that song wrong. That
• 1:56:45
  whole album, That whole album is actually really good. It just came out
• 1:56:47
  really good. All right, Well, I want to buying next on Apple
• 1:56:50
  buy it just you can listen to the whole thing. I you can get
• 1:56:56
  the CD at Best but yeah, I'm I'm hit best a plastic there's the
• 1:57:00
  best Buy on West Ashley. It still exists. I'm all go through there
• 1:57:03
  on the way home. Do you remember the ones? Do you remember the
• 1:57:05
  ones that were in They they came had the plastic, But remember the ones
• 1:57:11
  that had the box that there were the same height as the plastic. No,
• 1:57:15
  but it didn't have the plastic. Was the whole box was like that
• 1:57:17
  long and it had like that. It was so weird. Well, it's
• 1:57:21
  like you're buying an album, so we have we can get the vive going
• 1:57:27
  Oh So we have a special guest. G go really Eso calabre he started
• 1:57:41
  a new and he just he hurt us live, I guess, and he
• 1:57:45
  was in the area. He's got a new conservation group called Calabresi Conservation Association,
• 1:57:53
  so he wants to come in and kind of give his spiel on it.
• 1:57:56
  Go ahead and get the door open. That's what we need, right,
• 1:58:00
  Hey, Gina, what's up, buddy? How are you? If
• 1:58:01
  it's a fust off, fussed off, you're coming at me all wrong.
• 1:58:03
  You're coming at me wrong. It's not Geno, it's it's it's the old
• 1:58:08
  Italian is uh he he uh hena relissimo, you know. It's it's about
• 1:58:12
  a general but kind of like the Muslim the moo. Gotta get to hit
• 1:58:16
  it with the right thing, right, you gotta hit it on the right
• 1:58:18
  notes. But the thing, you know, my friends call me Gino.
• 1:58:21
  I'll allow it in this scenario. So you've been one of our sponsensations.
• 1:58:25
  Yes, you've been a sponsor of the show. The Calabriezi Brothers. We
• 1:58:28
  go way back with the Bailey Live. You guys have sponsored a lot of
• 1:58:30
  I uh we'll call them legitimate companies. And you know, I'm sorry,
• 1:58:36
  Yes, I messed up. It's Calabresi Conservation Association and Sanitary Company. My
• 1:58:43
  beast limit first time you fucked up. But yeah, the Calibrisi brought us
• 1:58:47
  conservation and sanitation. So you know, we do all the things. We
• 1:58:51
  pick up the trash, we take out the trash. You know, it's
• 1:58:55
  so c C A and S. Yeah, c C A and S and
• 1:58:58
  and so that the deal is like, you know, we we're all about
• 1:59:03
  filling the gaps, right, So we see a gap, we fill it
• 1:59:06
  right, you know. Like, so what we saw was that the conservation,
• 1:59:12
  particularly the coastal red fisheries, this wasn't going right. You know,
• 1:59:15
  they weren't doing the right things. Louisiana is one place we don't talk about
• 1:59:20
  keeping our eyes on everything. We have some interests in that particular scenario.
• 1:59:25
  But the deal is like, right now, so our our goal, our
• 1:59:29
  motto, if you wiel our mission statement as a company, as a as
• 1:59:33
  a as a as an entity in the United States is like, we protect
• 1:59:38
  the fishes. Sometimes that means we send people to sleep with them, but
• 1:59:42
  that doesn't matter. So here's the deal. You've got a problem with your
• 1:59:45
  fisheries, you call a Calabreeze brought us. Okay, we protect the fishes,
• 1:59:48
  so we feed them. It doesn't really matter us. And so you're
• 1:59:54
  in the problem solving business exactly. We're the problem solvers, right. So
• 1:59:58
  if I got a guy, if I got a go that's causing a problem,
• 2:00:00
  there's a pretty good chance you'll deal with that. Yeah. So you
• 2:00:02
  know, you pay us a nominal fee to him, your nominal fee,
• 2:00:06
  and nothing bad happens to you. I can't say nothing bad happens to the
• 2:00:11
  guy that's causing your problems. That's all I'm saying. I don't have to
• 2:00:14
  worry about that. No, you don't worry about that. You don't talk
• 2:00:15
  about it. You don't you don't witness to it. You don't do anything.
• 2:00:18
  You just you just exist. You do your thing. And the Calibreezi
• 2:00:21
  Brothers we do our thing. That's what it is. I mean, how
• 2:00:25
  do we like pay you back for this service? Oh, don't worry.
• 2:00:30
  When the Calibreezi Brothers need payment back, we come asking. But the thing
• 2:00:33
  is, just don't forget about it. Don't forget about don't forget about what
• 2:00:36
  the Calibriezey brothers did for you. That's all it is. So the Calibriz
• 2:00:41
  brothers. We don't ask for anything up front. No no, no,
• 2:00:43
  no, no no, we never ask anything up front. You just do
• 2:00:45
  your life. You just say, hey, Calibreezy brout us, we need
• 2:00:48
  a little next thing. You know, all of a sudden, a council
• 2:00:53
  member can't make a vote, or a senator suddenly comes down with an undiagnosed
• 2:00:59
  heart problem. It doesn't really matter to you, does it. No,
• 2:01:01
  no, see you got your vote. Now when the Calibreezi brothers, you
• 2:01:05
  know, we need a little song song, we may come back to you,
• 2:01:08
  but don't worry about that. That's a Calibreezy way. We don't ask
• 2:01:12
  for anything. We just deliver. We deliver results. Sometimes those results are
• 2:01:17
  you know, a little bit uh mysterious. Gino. Oh hey, this
• 2:01:25
  is my brother. This is Geno. This is the real Genoo. I'm
• 2:01:30
  a he jesu. Is this Genevie? I'm dug Are you the guy?
• 2:01:38
  No? No, I'm not the guy. There's no guys here. See,
• 2:01:41
  this is not the guys. Just let me ask questions. I'm here
• 2:01:45
  to talk to the guy. Are you the guy? No? No,
• 2:01:47
  look I'm really not the guy. But he looks like the guy. Well,
• 2:01:51
  can you the guy got on of these votes? Not? What's your
• 2:01:56
  name? I don't know. It's better if you answer. I'm I'm just
• 2:02:00
  gonna I'm just gonna be the I'm your friend. I want to listen to
• 2:02:02
  me. You want to answer, what's the problem. Well, can't they
• 2:02:06
  just get the fish down to three per day? Why has it gotta be
• 2:02:11
  full? I haven't been fishing. Are you the one that causes problem?
• 2:02:14
  No? No, I haven't been fishing in the very You haven't been to
• 2:02:16
  Louisiana. Look, you have a fishing Louisiana. You know I heard you
• 2:02:21
  got connections to the chef industry. There people Geno, No, Gino.
• 2:02:31
  I know about this guy. I know about this guy. I'm just trying
• 2:02:35
  to help. He's harmless. He's harmless, Gino, He's harmless. Gay.
• 2:02:41
  I guess I'm bucking up the wrong tree trying to tell me I'm walking
• 2:02:44
  the guy. He's not the guy. I guess it's funny was the guy.
• 2:02:46
  He's not the guy anymore. I don't worry about it, Okay.
• 2:02:49
  I just came in here, so you balking from the street over there.
• 2:02:51
  I was in the Limo. I saw you with a lot of hands.
• 2:02:55
  I told you, then come in here. This is I got this help.
• 2:03:00
  Do you guys like red fish? I mean, do you guys do
• 2:03:03
  a lot of fish. Listen, Doug, it's about the problems we like
• 2:03:06
  the solve. It's not about the red fish, red fish, green backs.
• 2:03:10
  It doesn't matter to us. Look, man, we here's the thing.
• 2:03:14
  Here's the thing. You know, tell them the thing, tell them
• 2:03:18
  so the thing. The thing is, Doug, The thing is yea.
• 2:03:21
  The breeze brought us. That's us. We're we're people in the street.
• 2:03:26
  We're about people people, and right now the people say that they want more
• 2:03:30
  red fish. That's what the people want. We give them more red fish.
• 2:03:34
  And what the people want is where the money is. That's what it
• 2:03:38
  is. We don't give no offense to the red fish. I'm sure the
• 2:03:41
  red fish are fine. I've had a couple of red fish in my life,
• 2:03:44
  but they're not that tasty. Let's just be real. They don't taste
• 2:03:46
  that good. If you got to burn something all the ship to make it
• 2:03:48
  taste good, black and red fish funk off. If you gotta put some
• 2:03:51
  many spices on, you can't taste the fish, and why the fu you
• 2:03:55
  eating the fish blackened like I want my I ain't about the red fish.
• 2:04:00
  The red fish can fucking swim or fucking fry. It makes no goddamn difference
• 2:04:03
  to geno about the people. It's about people. People like it to catch
• 2:04:10
  the red fish, like to catch the red fish. Dog. So we're
• 2:04:13
  here to support. Okay, I'm glad you because i'd hate to you guys
• 2:04:18
  are making me a little I like. I like you as a friend,
• 2:04:21
  Doug. I would hate to have you as an enemy. I would hate
• 2:04:24
  you to be an enemy. Let me think, yeah, go ahead,
• 2:04:28
  go ahead, Doug. So you're the guy. I'm not the guy.
• 2:04:33
  Who the guy is. I'm not the guy. I don't think he's the
• 2:04:40
  guy, you know. I think I think he's being honest with us.
• 2:04:42
  He's just a dude. He just happened to be sitting in front of microphone.
• 2:04:45
  He just he had to be sitting in front of microphone. They call
• 2:04:48
  us in, they talking. Just remember the calabreeze he brought us conservation and
• 2:04:55
  sanitation. Okay, we take out the trash. Trash. You know who's
• 2:04:59
  that guy? The last time we moved home, we asked me if he's
• 2:05:03
  the guy he said he wasn't the guy. We had Guenie. We had
• 2:05:08
  some red wine with him. We had a good desire. Whatever what are
• 2:05:12
  we doing with that guy? Look, I think it's better if we don't
• 2:05:15
  talk about what happened after the desserto. They don't know me personally. I
• 2:05:23
  don't know what happened to the guy. Right. The guy got in a
• 2:05:26
  boat. The boat came back. I don't know where the guy say on
• 2:05:29
  that stupid you know some sure at the train depots. Yeah, I don't
• 2:05:32
  know. Look, man, we took him to the train. We took
• 2:05:34
  him, We took him to I took him to a dock. He got
• 2:05:38
  on a boat. The boat came back. No guy, I don't know
• 2:05:40
  where the guy had. They had a good apple. I think it was
• 2:05:44
  a chili'st but maybe yeah, it might have been an apple Bee's. And
• 2:05:46
  Alfredo was an embarrassment chick dog. We'll come back in the month, Okay,
• 2:05:53
  see if you're the guys, we'll find out. If you're the guy.
• 2:05:56
  I don't like we're gonna be checking back. I don't love your connections
• 2:06:00
  at the Louisiana people, though you've got connections there. Tell us your connections.
• 2:06:03
  Look, you can be cool with the I'll see you in the limoe.
• 2:06:08
  Go back to the car. I told you I had this to begin
• 2:06:10
  with. You didn't need to have to come in here. Look, I
• 2:06:13
  don't care where you stand on the c c A but you better be good
• 2:06:15
  with the c c A s because the c c A s and I think,
• 2:06:20
  yeah, those boys. So that dude just pulled me out of the
• 2:06:26
  chair man. Everybody's got a boss. You got a boss. I got
• 2:06:29
  a boss. I didn't know I was going to pull off my own.
• 2:06:30
  I didn't ask him to come in here. I told him I had this
• 2:06:33
  thing. I told him, said, Paul is a guy, I said,
• 2:06:39
  not a guy? You know. Can we just kindly ask if we
• 2:06:41
  can get We're just gonna end the show. We're kind of almost is that
• 2:06:44
  cool? Look? You can know whatever you that the Calibreeze brought us will
• 2:06:49
  be watching your fisheries. Okay, you the act right? Oh maybe we
• 2:06:54
  got to step in and do a little something. Okay, thank you,
• 2:06:57
  hey for you to feed the fishes instead of fish. What I hate that
• 2:07:00
  too, I hate that too. All right, So cattle Breezy brought us
• 2:07:04
  gotta breeze bro Coast Conservation and Sanitation taking that to trash. Thank you so
• 2:07:10
  much. All Right, I'm gonna leave now we're gonna plot. The audience
• 2:07:14
  loves you. By the way, I'm I'm seriously uncomfortable. Wow. Yeah,
• 2:07:21
  that was interesting. That's the dude, straight up jack in my mock.
• 2:07:26
  We got some characters. That was the first came in. I don't
• 2:07:31
  think we should have ever started association with the brothers. This guy Scare the
• 2:07:39
  Scoop for you, I thought, was like, yeah, we told Scoop
• 2:07:42
  not to do any more calibreeze guys, So like, how do we get
• 2:07:45
  tied into that one. We're gonna finish that Shane Smith song on sanitation because
• 2:07:49
  they always are, aren't they Because that's the way of launder money, Like
• 2:07:55
  that's their business at Yeah, the second pulled me out. I was what
• 2:08:01
  did he have to say more threats? I think sounded sounded more like it
• 2:08:07
  was just like he was annoyed by sitting in the limo out there, which,
• 2:08:11
  by the way, they had a real limo outside of there, Like
• 2:08:13
  that wasn't like that was like a town car limo. Where did they get
• 2:08:16
  those suits? There are I'm pretty sure I don't mean to do that.
• 2:08:24
  Don't make the sound or you know, I have to pull it up and
• 2:08:28
  get rid of the ad and all that stuff. Oh, if you play
• 2:08:33
  it too soon, he comes in here and then we feel like he can
• 2:08:35
  hear it. He's out there. Two hours take this probably want this down?
• 2:08:39
  Yeah, I like that two hour per Yeah, too much, too
• 2:08:43
  much. We've rarely done a three hour show that was worth three hours.
• 2:08:46
  This has been a good content show that we we got some good stuff.
• 2:08:50
  Yeah. Actually, you know amazing what happens when you actually do some work
• 2:08:54
  and have a good guest. Yeah, thanks Car again for uh hanging out.
• 2:08:58
  That was get energy. I like that stuff. It's good. She
• 2:09:03
  is a fireball of energy too. She's awesome. All right. So we're
• 2:09:07
  gonna do Richard so yeah as usual, and we're gonna go out on the
• 2:09:11
  rest of that Fire in the Sky song. I love that song. I'm
• 2:09:15
  all about it. Okay, my my, my scotch Irish roots are just
• 2:09:20
  a tingle down in my nether regions and drums, all right, you're ready
• 2:09:26
  for go getting that's all? Well, Hello the Bailey Live Pans, it
• 2:09:54
  is your friend. Richie Caso and Richard here to answer your questions for the
• 2:09:58
  babel sa Oh hey Paul, hey buddy. Oh I'm having a good time.
• 2:10:05
  What the best thing is. I was out there the other day and
• 2:10:07
  I was walking around down near the river, and I saw the filly crabs
• 2:10:11
  out. You saw the filler crabs, all the fider crabs. One of
• 2:10:15
  the some stores having for sale now for baby. Yeah, because they can
• 2:10:18
  stanch them up and they're not hiding in the mud no more. We'll see
• 2:10:20
  that thing. Some people big old he was. He was one of them
• 2:10:26
  watching dogs and your kids gaters. He was one of them like hanging out
• 2:10:28
  that you gotta worry about. Well, you know how spring comes from me.
• 2:10:31
  It's not flowers, it's fiddlers for sale. Oh absolutely eat them.
• 2:10:35
  And and that's a good thing. The water temper ain't quite there, but
• 2:10:39
  the fiddlers sixty two when he's like sixty eight. Yeah them under that.
• 2:10:43
  But you know, yeah that's a good or a nice sunny day. They
• 2:10:46
  still come out. But then they go back home. You know what you
• 2:10:48
  need is you need a little thun while the mud is exposed, and then
• 2:10:52
  when the water rolls up on the warm mud, it warms the water,
• 2:10:56
  get up the corner the day money, that's what you need. I'm giving
• 2:11:01
  away secrets. What this show is about what you've been doing. So I
• 2:11:05
  saw nothing I saw on social media and all on social media. I think
• 2:11:09
  I saw like an email you sent to someone. Uh, you were in
• 2:11:13
  where was it again? You were down in Deston I think for some sort
• 2:11:18
  of vacation. Well, yeah, or Daytona or Dustin. What was it
• 2:11:22
  I was? I believe it was death and down there on Crab Island.
• 2:11:24
  That was down there, and then you hanging out. I bet you were
• 2:11:28
  hanging put the boat up on the sand, hung out with the spring breakers
• 2:11:31
  down there all. Yeah. Yeah, Richie Case likes to party. You're
• 2:11:37
  still trying to find your strange son that you've never met. So you're just
• 2:11:41
  down there looking to thinking you're gonna see an eighteen year old that might look
• 2:11:45
  like you. You know, I keep my eyes open. That's a good
• 2:11:48
  place to start, you know, if he's got rich A Caso blood,
• 2:11:50
  and then he'll probably end up on Crab Island at some point. Yeah,
• 2:11:54
  that's a good bet. That's a good bit. I don't think that's why
• 2:11:58
  I went there, But how many a strange children do you have? Well,
• 2:12:00
  it wouldn't be as strange as if I could count them an whole day.
• 2:12:03
  That's good. Well, yeah, I guess that's a good point.
• 2:12:05
  Yeah, people say all kinds of things. Show me the DNA test.
• 2:12:11
  Ain't nobody got rich of case on DNA except the cops will go through your
• 2:12:16
  trash. Well yeah, good. Look, there is a new show on
• 2:12:22
  Netflix. I texted Doug about. It's called Missing Persons on Netflix. It's
• 2:12:28
  about an account in Columbia. It's really good. Check it out Netflix.
• 2:12:31
  Mike, you have Netflix? Do you have anything Internet based? I have
• 2:12:35
  whatever I can get into wherever I parked the trailer. People some people have
• 2:12:41
  Netflix, sometimes they do. I got you, Okay, Well, what
• 2:12:46
  you can do in the last couple of weeks when you got back from Destin.
• 2:12:50
  It is springtime, so we'll being, you know, doing all things,
• 2:12:54
  all the all the all the possums and the raccoons is starting to breeze,
• 2:12:58
  So I need to mess with them too much this time of year because
• 2:13:01
  I want them to make little babies so I can make more Coo cop out
• 2:13:03
  on Boston grease and all the things that you know I made Uh, so
• 2:13:09
  a lot of that, lot of a lot of roaded husbandry. And then
• 2:13:13
  outside of that, you know, I've been out there collecting fill of crabs
• 2:13:18
  and sell them to local tackle shops and and just you know, cleaning the
• 2:13:22
  trailer. Little spring cleaning. You got to open the windows up. I
• 2:13:26
  don't know about your house, but if you've ever made possum grease in your
• 2:13:30
  trailer, it leads a film all things. So you know, springtime is
• 2:13:33
  a good time to open up the windows and then you get a lot of
• 2:13:37
  the ascids and stuff and just clean inside of the trailer. Sure, it's
• 2:13:41
  it's just been busy, busy. How's your dating scene looking these days?
• 2:13:46
  Well, I don't know. Uh, it's not so great because the acids
• 2:13:52
  and the possum grease clean generally makes a bad odor that makes it hard to
• 2:13:56
  get close to women in the ball let alone talk to them. But you
• 2:13:58
  know, I'm doing the best I can, Paul, doing the best.
• 2:14:01
  Okay, I'm not striking out now. You're out there on like dating services.
• 2:14:07
  You don't have a phone. You don't have like a smartphone. I
• 2:14:09
  got my phone just flips and then I got buy a new one every time
• 2:14:11
  I run out of minutes. So it's not dating services. I'm all on
• 2:14:16
  person to person contact. Sure say this, I'm not striking out, but
• 2:14:20
  I'm not hitting home runs either, Okay, sometimes a bunch of first basis.
• 2:14:26
  Yeah, so yeah, I'm doing what I can do, Paul,
• 2:14:28
  A lot of singles over the middle kind of thing. Hey, you know
• 2:14:31
  exactly, you know, somebody's gotta be that guy. Right, Have you
• 2:14:35
  fish lately? We haven't fish lately, have you. I've been out there.
• 2:14:37
  I've been out there. I've been out there fishing, catching some of
• 2:14:41
  the red fish. But it's been good. A lot of life in the
• 2:14:43
  rhythm right now. And yeah, it's been all right good. Yeah.
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  Why ain't you all be fishing? Was you? I'm just in that kind
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  of weird middle dead zone. Yeah, it's just kind of in the middle.
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  I'm just working too much. Ready for that. I'm ready than tails
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  at this point. If I haven't fished in a month, why would I
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  go now? Until it's just time? That's right? Yeah, believe it.
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  Actually, you know, when I went to the Keys three weeks ago
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  with Keith, I could talk about it. We don't really talk about that,
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  but we had two days with Kenny Off Big Pine buddy Kenny Atkinson.
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  If you're ever in the Big Pine area, call him. He was awesome.
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  So Keith hadn't been tarbo efishing since all the stuff has happened in his
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  life the last couple of years, so the focus was on him on the
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  front. I like Keith his Yeah, yeah, y'all been on a couple
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  of trips together. Yeah, he's a good man man. Yeah, So
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  tarpa is what we're looking for. Had a front coming in that you can
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  start to feel that front. Yeah, so we knew it was gonna be
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  tough. We didn't see a single tarp and break the surface. You know,
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  we're focusing on those, you know, ten to twenty pounders kind of
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  all around the islands. Not a single bait kill, no sound, no
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  role, no, did you try it? I waited treble no no.
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  So we probably went two and a half hours. You know, we're looking
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  ahead, looking for so finally we started looking at the mangroves. Finally we
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  ran into like the school, probably forty to fifty tarping, all on the
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  bottom, all on the bottom. We bumped them treble hook comes and so
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  yeah, we thought that we split them up We thought for sure we'd run
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  into them again. Never did cast the tons of barracuda, and they were
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  even acting weird. They wouldn't even look at the fly. Were day and
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  then we scratched Saturday. We couldn't go fishing, so we went to Key
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  West. It was worst things, dude, and walk down Bourbon Street looking
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  weird out. Well that's when you underwear. They got another. Yeah,
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  well so you knew I was down there. I which to bauchery. I
• 2:16:46
  was talking about. Well, no, you and I were texting each other
• 2:16:50
  that we were down in Key West and you were up with that that all
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  nude bar. I forget what it's called a trip to the third floor the
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  bowl. You were there, and I wasn't gonna come meet. I wasn't
• 2:17:00
  gonna see you with Keith. Were you totally naked? Look? Man,
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  the human form is a beautiful thing. If you can't appreciate it, that's
• 2:17:07
  your that's on you. Is it a beautiful thing? Is gorgeous? Richard
• 2:17:13
  Case approves of the human form? All right, what I look? If
• 2:17:16
  you ain't got anything else to talk about, I got more possible greases to
• 2:17:18
  scrape off the walls of my camper. Out there. It smells terrible.
• 2:17:22
  Well, we got a letter from a listener. We actually have some male
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  let's see. Let's read it. Richard, Hey, my name, funny
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  enough is Richard Q k u E. How are you doing? I wanted
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  to know if you would ever fish or cotta tarpin with a bobber and a
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  red worm. Thank you, longtime listener, first time writer from Deston,
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  Florida. All right, Richard Q. So here's the thing. Yeah,
• 2:18:00
  could this be your son? I've caught topping under Barber's moody time. Wait,
• 2:18:03
  this could be your your son. A lot of people could be my
• 2:18:07
  son. But kid doesn't mean he is my son. I don't see any
• 2:18:11
  evidence. Sorry, I didn't mean I didn't. Here's the bober doesn't tarp
• 2:18:18
  and go together, you know, like bob was in any other fishes is
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  usually I've used cocas or or men haynes or some mullets or something under there.
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  But yeah, if you got one on worming you buddy, Yeah,
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  we sorry. I gotta cute's polest and hands and little dug and getting ice
• 2:18:43
  into the RUMs look santis. I don't need anymore from turping. Turping is
• 2:18:50
  just a big ship. The wheels were falling off here, give me a
• 2:18:58
  little bit just to touch. Don't go fishing for topping with fucking worms under
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  a barber, right, Just put a croker under there, like everybody else
• 2:19:05
  in the same mind, and make him eat it. That's a good point.
• 2:19:07
  You can bobb a fish for tarping all you want, just make sure
• 2:19:09
  you put tarping food underneath the bober all. I got another letter. Yeah,
• 2:19:13
  hi Richard, this is Bobby Wilcox from Toronto, Canada. That's awesome.
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  Good Toronto, Canada, listener, yeay Canada. I was on a
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  river in Montana last summer on my horse on horseback. I love fly fishing
• 2:19:31
  on horseback along the Madison River, and I swear across the river I saw
• 2:19:35
  you on a donkey. Was that you? July thirteenth. First off,
• 2:19:41
  a donkey's just as good as a horse, So fuck you, because I
• 2:19:43
  understand implication of what you're getting at. Secondly, fishing from the back of
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  an animal is just weird and odd and all of it. So look,
• 2:19:52
  my donkey was carrying my supplies. Ride my donkey and my pie, some
• 2:19:56
  grease and my kon klay you it might been me I'm just saying, when
• 2:20:01
  I'm in Montana and I have a donkey, I'm not riding and fly fishing
• 2:20:05
  and like Kevin Costner and his gay ass buddy's on the Yellowstone TV show,
• 2:20:09
  Look, oh, you could get off the horse. Let the horse go
• 2:20:11
  have some hay and some some some grasses and stuff while you look. Donkeys
• 2:20:18
  are for carrying stuff. Horses are for riding fish on your feet. You're
• 2:20:24
  weirdo, or quit fishing off the back of I hear that. I agree
• 2:20:26
  with you. You know how many inches you get on you did for catching
• 2:20:28
  the trout off the back of a horse. I bet he looked cool though,
• 2:20:31
  zero zero inches, Paul. You probably had his rod tubes all cool
• 2:20:35
  looking in the saddle bags. Yeah, he was just a jines On sign
• 2:20:39
  for everybody saying, hey, look, I'm from Illinois. It's not he's
• 2:20:43
  not cool. It's not cool. Just just get off the car, dang
• 2:20:46
  horse. You know that that's not that hard. You're ready. You didn't
• 2:20:50
  come with us to get some Mexican food? Are you paying? That wasn't
• 2:20:58
  an answer, No, I probably not. All right, Well, we
• 2:21:13
  all know what this means. Let's just accept it, just to just make
• 2:21:16
  it stop. Just you're almost done with that that fly even time for thirty
• 2:21:22
  minutes, Mike. Did they overwrap the eye? Always? They always over
• 2:21:26
  yeah, always crowding eyes and put too much ship like too much, Doug,
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  you're ready for last thought? Here, buddy, more boys shouna start
• 2:21:37
  playing the song. Doug, you got any other thoughts? You don't need
• 2:21:39
  your headphones to hear the thoughts. You can hear us, right, all
• 2:21:45
  right, all right, we're done. We're done. Let's go jam it,
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  jam it. Oh that was fun. Don't make your mother cry.
• 2:21:58
  More shames mean santis. We should make santis up, santas girls covered and
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  tears of mothers and swet to ashes and fire around the sky. I swear
• 2:22:18
  I did all I could do. He's home, but I made a mother
• 2:22:24
  cry, and so father told me to clatch mother and my man and fire,
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  father to in noble. I didn't. I don't know what the story
• 2:23:01
  the song's about. It's clearly an old Western story that has to be about
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  Watch your brother gave him hell, And I didn't make my mother cried.
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  Please, mother cry