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I wanna be a MACHA man | Maintaining Frame 186 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: All right, hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Brian. I'm here with Alison, even though
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't like she's here because she stepped out briefly
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  Speaker 1: and this is maintaining frame number one eighty six. I
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  Speaker 1: want to be a Macha man. Allison is having issues
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  Speaker 1: with her camera, but I had to start the show,
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  Speaker 1: so here we are. But she'll be back in just
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  Speaker 1: a second, I'm sure. So let me just give you
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  Speaker 1: guys a quick breakdown on what we're doing. We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: be responding to a video by uh, I'm a freaky
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  Speaker 1: frog bait or something like that. We've had we've done
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  Speaker 1: response videos to this person before. So the video is
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  Speaker 1: called the Performative Male Problem by Funky frog Bait, and
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  Speaker 1: Funky frog Bait is well, I mean, she's a progressive,
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  Speaker 1: you know, intersectional queer feminist, the usual thing that hold
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  Speaker 1: that old chestnut, and she is making a video about
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  Speaker 1: this concept of men who perform progressive, feminine feminist of values.
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  Speaker 1: Actually she calls them feminine, but I think that they're
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  Speaker 1: really just feminists, not that because like, well we'll get
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  Speaker 1: into it. But well, so there's a problem with this
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  Speaker 1: and she's going to talk about it. She has a
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  Speaker 1: pebble in her shoe about this because essentially men are
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  Speaker 1: performing feminism and it and it looks like it's not real.
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  Speaker 1: And so she's trying to like essentially make two things
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  Speaker 1: work at the same time. One that this is performative,
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  Speaker 1: but also sometimes it's not. Sometimes there are men who
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  Speaker 1: are genuinely interested in these things, and then and they
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  Speaker 1: just go into women's spaces and it's a problem for
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  Speaker 1: that reason. So how is she going to square that circle?
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  Speaker 1: Should men get in touch with their feminine side and
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  Speaker 1: enjoy feminine things and be an ally to women or
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  Speaker 1: are they all predatory? Is it all fake all the time?
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  Speaker 1: And this is interesting actually because it is related to
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  Speaker 1: something that I've talked about ever since the whole gamer
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  Speaker 1: Gate and me Too thing happened. So we're gonna be
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  Speaker 1: talking about that today and Alison is not here. She's
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  Speaker 1: saying that she's got lag problems. I'm just gonna tell
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  Speaker 1: her I've already started because I don't want to be
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  Speaker 1: you know, like it's eight minutes after the hour. I
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  Speaker 1: want to eat dinner at some point while the sun
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  Speaker 1: is up, and you know that's I just anyway, we
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  Speaker 1: should We should get into this in a moment. But
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  Speaker 1: in the meantime, before we get started on the video,
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  Speaker 1: let me say hello to the people in the chat
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  Speaker 1: while waiting for Alison to get back online. So shout
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  Speaker 1: out to Richard Bierre, who's first, Gabriel Phelan Lucas, I
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  Speaker 1: Hello to all of you all find people. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: for joining us on the show. So we'll see if
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  Speaker 1: Allison gets this fixed. But isn't this the same thing
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  Speaker 1: as the demure mindful men? You know that that's a
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  Speaker 1: good point, but I art force what's up? But I
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  Speaker 1: do think that there is Well, let's not try to
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  Speaker 1: put the frog lady in a box, okay, because she
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  Speaker 1: might have a point, and what might be best a
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  Speaker 1: funky frog bait. What might be best is if we
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  Speaker 1: we hear her arguments and then move forward amicably from there.
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  Speaker 1: So there, Allison's coming back. She's she's about to join.
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  Speaker 2: Is Oh goodness, I am really sorry, So we're already started.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going live when you dropped out.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, I apologize for that.
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  Speaker 1: That was all right, set people up. I told them
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  Speaker 1: what we're doing.
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  Speaker 2: content for a response, So, thank you, Richard. I think
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  Speaker 2: I think it deserves a response like if, if I
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  Speaker 2: could be so bold, I give my initial impressions if
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  Speaker 2: it if that seems like an appropriate thing to do.
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  Speaker 2: At this time, it feels like men are in the
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  Speaker 2: wrong no matter or what they do. No matter what
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  Speaker 2: they do, they're going to be framed as somehow doing
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  Speaker 2: it to women in the very in a very negative
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  Speaker 2: and prerogative sense. Prerogative, perjorative, perjorative. Hey, I got one right, Pert, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, slopsism. You see how I think I'm
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  Speaker 2: mixing up the O in the eye. So I believe
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  Speaker 2: it spism. It's very unlikely.
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  Speaker 1: I just let you say it. I think people know
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  Speaker 1: what you mean. It's okay. Jim used to say hyper bowl,
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  Speaker 1: So it's okay instead of hyperbole.
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  Speaker 2: Huh, Which Jim used to say that, Jim.
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  Speaker 1: Mister Medica Internet at Jim hyper Bowl. He used to
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  Speaker 1: say hyper bowl instead of hyperbole. Yeah. So we all
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  Speaker 1: have our we all have our words that we always mispronounced.
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  Speaker 2: I just I just have a great number.
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  Speaker 1: Of you have a Yeah, it's like a little book.
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  Speaker 1: You could probably make a book called words. I don't
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  Speaker 1: ever get right. And make a great coffee table book.
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  Speaker 1: I think.
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  Speaker 2: All right, So yeah, well my my main thrust is like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: men can never men can in this framework, men can
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  Speaker 2: never get it right, and also they can't be credited
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  Speaker 2: with trying to get it right. So the maca man
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  Speaker 2: phenomenon is apparently machia. I guess Maca is the next.
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  Speaker 1: One, or I don't know what maca is.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know macha.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so the machia jet, I suppose with maca maca five,
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  Speaker 1: maka three.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So if men like this drink, it's performative masculinity,
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  Speaker 2: and it's like secret courtship traps being laid for women
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  Speaker 2: because God forbid the human race form pairs and reproduce.
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  Speaker 2: When did it become like this horrible thing that men
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  Speaker 2: want to attract women, Because that's what this is. This
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  Speaker 2: is men trying to attract women. If well, in the
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  Speaker 2: most negative sense, like, well.
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  Speaker 1: She probably wouldn't disagree with you. So I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if you watched the video, but we should
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  Speaker 1: get into well, I'll put it this way. Let's let
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  Speaker 1: her set it up. You're gonna be talking about a
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  Speaker 1: phenomenon called performative masculinity or the performative male, which is
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  Speaker 1: and I'll just read a bit from the Wikipedia page,
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  Speaker 1: because yes, this got a Wikipedia page. It's an Internet
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  Speaker 1: meme and term referring to an archetype of man, which
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  Speaker 1: was popularized in social media in twenty twenty five. So
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  Speaker 1: like a new thing that just started happening, generally involved
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  Speaker 1: displays of progressivism or otherwise performative feminism, as well as
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  Speaker 1: emotional sensitivity. What's interesting too is that when I was doing,
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  Speaker 1: like I was like looking into this stuff before we started,
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  Speaker 1: I knew that's what it was. Essentially, a performative male
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  Speaker 1: or performative masculinity is men pretending to be feminist men
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  Speaker 1: or progressive men or liberal men or whatever so they
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  Speaker 1: can like get closer to women. Like essentially, like it's
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  Speaker 1: it's it's a it's an inauthentic expression of the self
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  Speaker 1: right to get closer to women to and and you know,
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  Speaker 1: like to be honest, to be fair. Okay, there is
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  Speaker 1: a trend of male feminists that do exactly that, right
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  Speaker 1: they they but this doesn't mean they don't believe it.
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  Speaker 1: So like the main I think trait of performative masculinity
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  Speaker 1: is that it is performative, which means it's not real.
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  Speaker 1: They don't really believe it, and I think that there
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  Speaker 1: are a number of male feminists that do believe it.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, I think that the default setting for the
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  Speaker 1: average man is to be more or less sympathetic to
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  Speaker 1: the position of male or of feminism to protect women,
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  Speaker 1: you know, from the bad men, which are the other men.
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  Speaker 1: So the one good man is an example of that.
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  Speaker 1: But I but I think the difference is that the
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  Speaker 1: performative male is not real. It's a it's a false face, right.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, one thing I did find when I was
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  Speaker 1: looking into this is that another version of performative masculinity
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  Speaker 1: was like literally the opposite. It was a guy pretending
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  Speaker 1: to be hyper masculine and like doing man things like
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  Speaker 1: you know, well whatever they consider man things, weight, we're
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  Speaker 1: lifting weights, watching sports whatever, right, which is weird because
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  Speaker 1: it means that, like, you know, no matter what a
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  Speaker 1: man does, there's gonna be some judgment about it, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because it's like he's not doing whatever he should be doing,
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  Speaker 1: which is generally serving women. So yeah, it's just it's
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  Speaker 1: just interesting. But this woman freaky frog bait or funky
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  Speaker 1: frog bait sorry, he's gonna call her frog bait. She
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  Speaker 1: is not talking about the ladder, which I just She's
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  Speaker 1: talking about the one where the guys pretend to be feminists. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so let's let her set up the scenario.
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  Speaker 3: Well, videos about the performative mail have been circulating since
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. The label really started to trend this
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  Speaker 3: past summer. Comedy skits have been rolling in Get Ready
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  Speaker 3: with Me is recorded safely behind several layers of self awareness.
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  Speaker 3: Crowds gather together for performative male contests and cities across
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  Speaker 3: the world Houston, New York City, Chicago, Seattle, Toronto, Ottawa, Sydney, Jakarta.
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  Speaker 3: This trend has transcended borders and language barriers, uniting communities
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  Speaker 3: in ways we haven't seen since Kendall Jenner handed that
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  Speaker 3: cop in ice cold PEPSI. How to become a performative male?
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  Speaker 3: No one knows the last one. Okay, let's see much.
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  Speaker 1: I'm want to pause it. Here. She goes through the
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  Speaker 1: list of what Yeah, well, performative mail is yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: again these are I mean, this is social media stuff.
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  Speaker 1: It's designed. People who are good at it are using
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  Speaker 1: it to get you to click. So it means that
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  Speaker 1: there's a pretty decent chance they're not really gonna have
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  Speaker 1: a lot of substance to them, you know, because they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna be there have to be short videos that are
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  Speaker 1: kind of punchy and maybe even like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: done in jest. So but let's let's listen to the list. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Number one drink Macha ceremonial grade oat milk. So you
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  Speaker 1: can already tell by the description this is like super
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  Speaker 1: hipster stuff, right, Like I think, actually, Lindsay drinks macha sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, we go out in the summer and
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  Speaker 1: she wants like a drink from Starbucks, She'll get a Macha.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like it's sort of coded feminine. I guess
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  Speaker 1: you could say, so yeah, when men do feminine things. Also,
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  Speaker 1: notice the loafers and the ankle socks and the ankle bracelets.
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  Speaker 1: That's like driving at home. You see what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: The random this is this is obviously.
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  Speaker 2: An is this is this intended to be satirical like
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  Speaker 2: these perform it is?
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  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think so.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Well, okay, all right, I guess we're about to
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  Speaker 2: enter the twilight zone, where something satirical is read completely
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  Speaker 2: literally and.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I think she knows that it's satirical. But
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  Speaker 1: let's let's keep going claaro, I haven't.
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  Speaker 2: Can I just get in here for a second. I
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  Speaker 2: read or I looked at the actual articles. So while
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  Speaker 2: I didn't focus on her video, some of the surrounding
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  Speaker 2: commentary is very not charitable. So I looked at the
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  Speaker 2: New York Times article, and I'm blanking on.
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  Speaker 1: The name one. Ladies. If you see a man with
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  Speaker 1: a latte.
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  Speaker 2: Run, Yes, that's the that's a different, that's a.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, male, are have abandoned macho and embraced macha. Is
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  Speaker 1: it just the other ploy to seduce women?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? But what the okay are we against human reproduction now?
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  Speaker 2: Like just another ploy to seduce women? Like, yes, that's
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  Speaker 2: sort of why.
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  Speaker 1: The idea is that like the man will reveal himself
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  Speaker 1: not to be anything like the man she met, and
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  Speaker 1: that you know that she's gonna feel like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: betrayed or manipulated. But I think that I just I
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  Speaker 1: don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Okay, I think she's She's done a really
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  Speaker 2: good job of setting it up satirical. It's sort of
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  Speaker 2: a tongue in cheek. It's not intended to be taken literally.
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  Speaker 2: All of these performative men contests, and then we have
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  Speaker 2: these individuals in these these articles taking it dead serious,
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  Speaker 2: right and then saying, oh my god, they're going to
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  Speaker 2: seduce the women.
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  Speaker 1: Right, they might have children. He responds to that, though,
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  Speaker 1: so she knows that they're taking it serious. That's what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying. He responds, I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Not saying that she isn't responding to that. I'm saying
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  Speaker 2: I'm also responding to those articles because they were ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe we should go through them first and then go
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  Speaker 2: into her response.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, do you think we read these articles or just
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  Speaker 1: getting They're all.
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  Speaker 2: Very short, They're all like one page, all right, all right,
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  Speaker 2: so this is ladies. If you see what I did
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  Speaker 2: send you, like some documents that just pick out the
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  Speaker 2: most ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: Guy have it? Do you want me to just go
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  Speaker 1: to that or they're.
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  Speaker 2: Only a page long? I think you get through them
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  Speaker 2: really quick.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I beseech you. This is what do you want
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  Speaker 1: me to do?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 1: You gave me a lot of links and documents. I
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  Speaker 1: just wonder what I'm doing. Am I just reading the
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  Speaker 1: article or am I going through the AI thing? To find,
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  Speaker 1: like some other I did.
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  Speaker 2: I put it through the A I think, just to
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  Speaker 2: figure out some of the stuff to focus on. But
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  Speaker 2: these articles are so short. They're so short, all right,
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  Speaker 2: and they're so saturated with condemnation and contempt. Many The
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  Speaker 2: GQ one, I think is might be the worst. The
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  Speaker 2: New York Times one is probably the most reasonable palatable.
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  Speaker 2: I would actually start with the one that isn't the
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  Speaker 2: g Q one or the New York Times one.
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  Speaker 1: That's this one?
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  Speaker 2: Is it?
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  Speaker 1: The New York Post one, the New York Post post?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, this one, yes.
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  Speaker 1: All right?
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  Speaker 2: New York Warts usually isn't isn't?
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  Speaker 1: Oh no?
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  Speaker 2: This is this is.
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  Speaker 1: That is like the typical ones.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, guys, I mixed up the New
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  Speaker 2: York Times of the New York Post. The New York
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  Speaker 2: Post one is the probably the least cringe worthy. Let's
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  Speaker 2: start with the New York Times one, because that's the worst.
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  Speaker 1: So you want to you want to start with New
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  Speaker 1: York Times.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's start with New York Times.
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  Speaker 1: So this is this one?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good, all right.
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  Speaker 1: Late male posers have abandoned macho and embraced macha. Is
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  Speaker 1: it just another ploy to seduce women by poppy sourbye.
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  Speaker 1: Every Saturday morning in New York, a sacred mating ritual
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  Speaker 1: takes place. Like mayfly soft boys, The sensitive young men
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  Speaker 1: of gen Z swarm coffee shops with soy, with Sally
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  Speaker 1: Rooney paperbacks tucked under tattooed arms. Here they queue up
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  Speaker 1: with rival males vying for the title of whitest legged
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  Speaker 1: jorts and tightest wife beater. Vest tope bags ripple in
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  Speaker 1: the breeze, mustaches bristle at one another in greeting battles.
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  Speaker 2: All right, so we have to we have to sort
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  Speaker 2: of stop, not read too much at a time. But
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  Speaker 2: you notice that now the narrative is the soy boys
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  Speaker 2: are after the women. And yet gen Z was notorious
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  Speaker 2: for having more conservative, more of a conservative leaning, which
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  Speaker 2: really didn't it just stayed more centrist while gen Z
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  Speaker 2: women went off the cliff in terms of being liberal.
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  Speaker 2: But now the problem is these dudes who are liberals
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  Speaker 2: and expressed their their they they have embraced their soft side,
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  Speaker 2: their feminine side. Incidentally, this kind of yes, very demure,
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  Speaker 2: this kind of scare mongering is not that like, it's
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  Speaker 2: not that unheard of like it it's this has been
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  Speaker 2: happening since like the seventies or probably even before, probably
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: have beatenis got it before? Then Okay, let's let's continue
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: to the next paragraph.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah uh yeah, I would. I would just add to that, so, like,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: if women have gone like super far left and men
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: have like drifted slightly right, then I could see why
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: these women would be very suspicious of all men because
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: they're gonna see them as part of that saying collective like,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: are you sure you're not you're one of us? Because
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: based on the data, I don't think you're one of us? Right,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: So I think that women are generally way more especially
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: of the men who look like they're their allies, than
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: the ones that are clearly not right, that are just
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: doing their things.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: So but anyway, yeah, let's do the next paragraph.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: All right. Then battle commences. Reaching the front of the line,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: they lay down the gauntlet loudly but casually. They give
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: their order. One oat, milk, iced, macha latte, please, any
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: damsel in the immediate vicinity is theirs. That's sad, like,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: if that's if that's all it takes. These strong, independent
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: girl boss feminist women are weak.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: But okay, all all a man has to do is
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: order a iced milk, one oat milk, iced maca late? Please?
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: What if what if they order a almond.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Milk, they'd still they'd still be okay?
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: But is there like a is there a progressive stack
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: of milks or milk substitute?
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: I think the oat milk is probably at the top
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: right now. Oh okay, maybe maybe if the guy's willing
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: to throw himself on a grenade, he can get soy milk.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, that might be more heroic, but it's
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: also more dangerous.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Or he might just asked every single boss babe in
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: the vicinity into her constituent atoms with his sheer seductive
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: drink buying. Okay, let's go.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: The grassy tasting Japanese green tea has exploded in popularity.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Black Sheep Coffee a Busy or Buzzy, A buzzy British
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: chain without posts in the US attributed to a two
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five percent year on year search in
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: ice drink sales to the boom and Macha one scene.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: As a novelty flavoring in Asian bakeries, the green gold
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: is now rivaling coffee in the caffeinated drinks game driven
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: by help conscious young consumers who appreciate the antioxidant pack
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: drinks verdant ascetic and instagrammable cachet really.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Just apropos of nothing. My husband does not like maca
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: or macha.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: No, I don't like macha either.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's well I like it, and obviously Lindsay likes it.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: It's just something pronounce it. Yeah, like Lindsay likes it.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Sometimes not. It's like it's she's got to be in
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: a certain mood.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, well, I mean it's like I got
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: a bitter, bitter, kind of smooth taste. It's hard to describe.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: I think it's like, like I noticed another k this
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: is another thing that women like and men don't. Lindsay like, yeah,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: I guess was there.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: She likes the fermented stuff.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all sweet. It's sort of sour and bitter.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: But I wonder if there was a like, was there
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: a kombucha a performative kombucha stage? Do we do we
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: do we from one point go through that? Or is it.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Is not popular right now? So this, like this article
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: is basically claiming that macha has become like a thing
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: and in the in particular in the West, I guess.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: And because of that, women jumped on it because they're
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: always following trends, and so they said they have declared
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: this cool. And now men or some men are also
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: doing it. Maybe they like it. Maybe a woman got
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: them to try it once and they were like, actually
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: like this, I think I'm gonna get this more often.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: But it's yeah, it's there's no Kombucha is not a
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: thing right now, but when women say it is, it'll
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: be a thing.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and then men might do performative kobucha drinking.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they'll get in trouble for that.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because it's inauthentic. Also, there was one other
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: thing I wanted to mention. You were talking about how
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: women will realize that this this dude isn't real or
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: like he's not he's not presenting his true face. This
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: is a drink, and this isn't a common activity called reading.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: This really shallow, Like if you think that's a personality,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: is what I'm getting at. My personality is writing maca
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: moca or mecca and reading popular matcha and reading popular
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: how many different ways can I pronounce it that are wrong?
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: And reading popular authors.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Of the day come up with a few more before
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: this is over.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: I'm sure mott sha machatcha, not maka, not mata, not
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: mocha mottsha.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: It's very simple, two syllables, all right, anyway, But this
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: is yeah, this is obviously extremely shallow, very surface level,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: and yet these women who write these articles are taking
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of pleasure in using it to attack men. Anyway,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: So all big cafe chains, from the posh Blank Street
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: to the middling prep to the bargain dunkin Donuts, have
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: introduced drinks to cash in. All of this is ushered
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: in a new breed of snob. My powder is strictly
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: ceremonial grade, rivaling even the coffee officionado who partakes only
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: from a clanking, great machine that hogs up his kitchen counterspace.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: This just sounds like hipster ship only people. This is
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: not even first world problems. This is first world annoyances.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Not even that. I I don't even like, yeah, dunkin
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Donuts does it now? So so what like they're just following,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: they're just going where the money is, lady, But.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Brian, these men they're drinking, they're they're sipping their their
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: green drinks, stucktfly. You know, they could they could possibly
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: be increasing their their attractiveness to women. Isn't that Isn't
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: that horrible? That's that's that's the worst thing. It's the
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: worst thing. Yet, it's the worst thing since last worst thing, Brian,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: aren't you getting ancised? These men might be making themselves
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: more attractive to women?
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: God? I just okay, look this this is going on
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: and on, so buying it, brewing it, bragging about it.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: The drink has become the ultimate satus symbol for the
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: modern metrosexual, to the point that this summer of GQ
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: hailed the Macha man as a new soy boy? Is
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: that a compliment? I don't think that's whatever? What birth
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: the macha man? Coffee shop culture has, after all, traditionally
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: been viewed as being for women, a place to yack
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: with glamorous friends, pretend to type on a laptop, or
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: film tiktoks that show off a gem and crust's Starbucks cup.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah no, I don't think so. So like you guys,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: You guys have decided that coffee shops are for women,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: and then when men enter them, like this is the
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: funny thing, Like when men take on an interest. Right,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: so they like, you know, comic books, they go to
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: comic book stores and they buy them. They never said
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: this is men domain. They just went there. They get
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: into miniature, you know, wargaming like Warhammer forty thousand or
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: video games or whatever. And there's a place they go.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: They go to the arcade, they go to the pool hall,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: they go to the bowling alley, they go to the
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: hobby shop to get their miniatures. And nowhere do you
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: see articles saying this has always traditionally been viewed as
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: being for men. And then women show up and if
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: they're interested, they're obviously not genuine, like they're fake, they're
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: fake fans. They want to gate keep Starbucks from men.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Is that what this is? Like, it's ridiculous. Starbucks wants
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: to make money, they don't care who buys it. You know,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: probably started by a man. Jesus.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's but they're saying, so going to Starbucks
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: and being performative is women's work. I suppose I know,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: is this like an ad by the advertisers, like the.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Macha I know you're doing it on purpose? Now so anyway, yeah,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: so okay, here's her lament here. Now this oasis is gone,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: and horror upon horror, male posers have abandoned macho and
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: embraced macha instead. Why Because mimicking the lifestyle of Instagram
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: girlies turns out to be a great way to pick
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: up women.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: M I press sex a doubt. That's why I think
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: this is a This is a macha, This is a
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: macha ad. This is an ad for macha. I sense
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: the presence discouraging.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Men from buying it. Why would you do that?
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: No, but it's but it's it's sort of like a
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: reverse psychology. They're saying, hey, guys, if you buy macha,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: it's gonna make you hatcha mm hmm. Anyway, yeah, okay.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: How about this one? Men used to go to war.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Now we drink macha with oat milk jokes one what good?
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, here's the here's the thing, here's the thing.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: All right, here's the thing with the war thing. Okay,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: the the trick is not sending men to war. The
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: trick is not not is not sending them to war. Okay, wait, wait,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: let me rephrase that. The trick is not the trick.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: I'm using too many knots. I'm trying to produce the
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: knots here, so it's less convoluted. I'm trying to figure
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: out a way to express this with fewer notts. The
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: trick isn't men going to war, okay, because that you
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: men will do that, right. It's like you have a
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: German shepherd, I have a German shepherd. German shepherd will
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: protect you if if that, if, if you get into
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: that situation, that that is its inherent nature. The men
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: will go to war and they will engage every every
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: single person, every single man that these these individuals are
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: sneering about, in the right circumstance, would could be a
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: soldier in a war. Right that That is not the trick.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: The trick is not to get into that circumstance where
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: that is necessary. So the trick in you know, my
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: German shepherd will protect me should it be necessary. The
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: trick is not to make it necessary. Right, There's nothing
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: men need to prove. You think that. And here's the
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: funny thing. They were talking about how other generations they
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: they prepared their sons for war. Are you flip and
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: kidding me? There's no preparing men for woolhort. You think that,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: you know, the farm boys and all of the the
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: the public school that's like the upper class schools in
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: like Britain. Do you think those boys were prepared for
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: the song? No, there's no preparing nobody's noose. Society prepares
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: like maybe it trains, but they don't prepare, right, They
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: just they just go and they live or they die.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: That's that's it, right. And then and then most of
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: them do the work that's required of them in the
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: context of utter hell, because they're men, and that is
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: in men's nature, just like it's in a German shepherd's
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: nature to protect the what it has, what it considers
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: to be its family or its flock. It's just in
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: their nature.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: No, there's no society prepares its young bullshit. That's there's
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: no hard times. No, all of the young men in
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: our society are perfectly capable of going to war and
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: being soldiers. The trick is not to ask it of them. Okay,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: I'm just and and if this is not big Maca,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: this might be starting the process of you know, priming
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: the pump to getting boys young men to be our
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: society failing, failing, and forcing young men to give up
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: their lives to all of our failures. So I mean,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: what I'm calling out is this judgmental attitude like in
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: previous generations werepared young prepared young men for were bullshit
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: that never happened. There's nothing as society can do, kad,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: they can really do that, maybe train, but not prepare.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: What prepares what men for war is their inherent nature,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: which we don't give them. They have by virtue of existing.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: And the trick here is not to ask anything of it,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: not not to have to go there. Okay, I just
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: I just find that it really obnoxious. Anyway, let's carry it.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: That's fine. I got a super chow and a rumble rant.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: So I got a super chow from Tongue Twister for
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Alison for twenty dollars. Thank you, Tongue Twister. I think
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: he wants you to read it. Oh so you should
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: like go look at it.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going there now, all right, Tongue Twister for
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Allison for twenty healthworkers. People. You guys really like to
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: pay to torture me? Macha sipping soy boys? Oh pick
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: o pick is that the right pake? Okay?
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Noake, not o pay it o pay. You're adding a syllable.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: It's just opaque.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Bloviating, Yeah, bloviating, that's right. Bloviating, Oh goodating bloviating okay.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: On existential mm hmm, existential existential m slop it's not salop.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: That's that's me and my dyslexia.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Slop slopism, solism, solid sol lip.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: So okay, Yeah, I think that we're we're playing to
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: somebody's fetish here.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's keep okay. So then I got a rumble
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: ran from Nova fan for a dollar. Nova Fan twenty
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: one says, Alison, I got to correct you on women
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: not wanting feminine men, as K pop is popularized by
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: girly looking men and not a shred of macho masculinity
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: and the girls lovely.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Later, did I say that that think?
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Alison claimed that that that women don't want that, But
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I'll say I will say that women will claim they
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: want those guys until they're with those guys and then
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: it changes. So women don't know what they want. That's it.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: That was your pearl of wisdom. Women don't know what
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: they want. Let's move on. They tell you they want
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: something they don't they don't want, they don't know what
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: they want. They're going with like because the reason why
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: they like those K pop men. Is because they're high status,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: famous men, that's it. It's not because like if it
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: was a Plaine dude that wasn't like a completely unknown
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: dude that was like feminine and girly, they wouldn't like him.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: They only like those guys because they're super famous and
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: high status. There's like a there's a difference between looking
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: like what's his name. I'm trying to think of the actor, like,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: what's a what's a really like after looking like Zach Gallifanakis.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: You know Zach Gallafanakis is he's like a Greek guy,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: really hairy, big beard, kind of fat. He was in
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: the Hangover. There's a difference between looking like him and
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: being him. If you are Za, Zach Galifanakis or Seth Rogen,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: you're gonna be really successful with women because you are
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: those people. But if you just look like those guys, no,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: it's not gonna work.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, Nolash.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Women don't know what they want.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: I'm sure there are women who like felmboys, All power
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: to them. I honestly, I think that a lot of
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: these women are just being performative.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Ironic, But yes, irony, it's true because when they say,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: because essentially, these guys are fighting toxic masculinity by doing
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: this effeminate stuff, and women don't like it because they
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: think it's they think it's a lie, they think it's untrue.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: But they're also not attracted to it. What is on
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: the IC list, it's probably a bunch of contradictory ship
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure that all of this stuff is on there,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: so but.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Anyway, Yeah, let's get through this stuff. Bang it out,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Men used to go to war. Now we drink macho
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: with oat milk jokes. The infant fitness influence are on Instagram.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: I'm a Macha guy now, Ladies brags a creator on TikTok.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: There is a bleak truth in this. Young women are
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: constantly worn in the dangers of the manisphere, of the
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: burly bruisers who spend their days chomping on raw liver
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: and wining about body counts. The cult of toxic masculinity
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: is now so overcooked as to be limp and meaningless,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: and crucially, it entirely misses one key thing. Feminine men
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: can just be can be just as toxic as the bodybuilders.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: It is gen Z's shallow sexual politics which privilege looking
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: progressive over deeply felt values that have landed us here.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: So there you go.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Ok, like these are really deeply held values, like, for example,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: I'm compassionate, but except you're not to half the human race.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, no, this is this is all. It's performative
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: all the way down, my friends. Also, I noticed that
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: every man is toxic? How much? How many times have
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: I said that toxic masculinity means all masculinity is taxic.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: It means men are toxic and the ultimate purpose of
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: the term is to give the person using the term
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: control over your behavior and potentially also open up your
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: wallet so that you can be have the toxic masculinities.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Oh sorry, the toxic match salinities exercised from your very
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Oh god, that was a face pomp. Okay, But like
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: I've said this, these these individuals, they don't regard anything
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: positive as coming from men. And the other thing is
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: that the very fact that feminine men still want to
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: get laid makes them as toxic as masculine men. Gosh,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: wanting to get laid is just like literally the worst
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: thing that men can do, literally the worst. God, we
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: don't want to have kids ever.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, yeah, all right, well let's so yeah, next paragraph.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: If the feminization of culture has succeeded, it is because
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: posing as a feat gains men access to the women
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: they want to sleep with. Cultural capital has deserted, roided
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: up meatheads and landed in the lap of the mustachioed,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: mulleted lothario who professes to be a harmless feminist and
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: who wields just enough knowledge about Judith Butler to talk
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: a blushing sociology major into bed. His T shirt slogans
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: the future is female. This is what a feminist looks like.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Buys him access to gen z women who have come
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: to confuse political posturing with personality. He says it's progressive.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Therefore he is less likely to mistreat me. Oh, he
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: says he's progressive. Yeah, so this is all a lie
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: and a cope. Like men are not losing, Like they're
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: saying that women have successfully feminized the culture and men
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: are being forced to adapt. I don't think that's happening.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: I think most men are just doing their thing. And
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: you can see that by the dating numbers. Men are
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: walking away from relationships, they're not approaching women, and yeah,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: they're not happy about it. But they're focusing on themselves
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: right now, that's what's happening. And these women are writing
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: articles like, well they really they they sure wish they
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: could be more like us. It's so sad for them.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Look at them. And when the few that do, when
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: they do sometimes they're like, oh, this guy's up to something,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: you know, and it's like, no, you guys are coping
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: right now. You're coping because men have are just moving on.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: That's what's happening.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Probably even these people, these guys drinking maka macha maga
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: and reading books, they're they are just they're just doing
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: their thing. Like they're probably just doing their thing. They're
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: probably have no concern over how attractive this is to women,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: because I really doubt I mean, is this is this
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: is this article is supposed to be tongue in cheek
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: or is it seriously asserting if a man, if a
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: man orders a maga on ice and I will milk
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: maga on ice, that all of the women in the
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: vicinity are going to descend on him. No, unless this
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: is this is big big Macha doing an ad was
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: that macha?
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: Isn't it that?
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: That's correct? Don't don't WinCE me, don't bristle your mustache.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Oh no, you got that right. I'm just I just don't.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: I don't think this is an ad. I think this
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: is The New York Times has to like have a
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: certain number of thought pieces. I think that they this
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: woman had this idea. She probably was at a coffee
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: shop and saw a man there drinking a macha and
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: was like, that's not right. Like she saw it, like
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: it was out of place. Like she thinks that she's
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: the main character from They Live, and she put on
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: the glasses and saw that he was an alien and
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: not a human being. And so she came and wrote
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: up thought piece on it, and I mean, look it
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: just for me. It just tells you. This is how
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: comfortable women are. Their lives are so cushy, and they
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: are so safe, especially the ones that live in these cities,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: or at least they think they're safe that they can
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: write about, like the political consequences of coffee shops, Like
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: that's where they're that's where they're at. They're like see
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: and whatever that means for like the dating market. This
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: is how absolutely in a bubble you are that you're
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: writing the stuff.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, remind me to talk about the fake geek
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: girl phenomenon in relation to this, Let's continue, let's finish this, so.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Feminize yeah, last paragraph. Men must feminize themselves to survive
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: this paradigm shift in women's romantic preferences. See that's a lie. No,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: they don't like some of them do, but most men
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: are just doing their thing. I don't see where you
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: think that this anyway. When visibly masculine men are maligned
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: as potential abusers, women choose the wolf in vintage clothing.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: All but this is all based on false assumptions. Performative
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: macha is a one way was one more way that
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: ill intentioned lover boys can game our sexual politics' daft stereotypes,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: joining tried and tested tactics like professing to be left wing,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: painting one's nails, and listening to Phoebe Bridgers. You are
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: just as likely to be shagged and bagged by a
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: macha drinker as a craft beer enthusiast or indeed a
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: plain old lagger fan. So attention women in New York.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Next time you hear the jingle jangle of ice and
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: see a Margellia hooked man walk on.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: By, Okay, what is this? Is this just literally I've
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: talked about this so many times that our society is
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: just presenting men as really poor choices, as romantic partners
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: and everything. So we're we're just basically saying, no, you can't.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: There's no man. There's no man that's acceptable. They're all toxic.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Just stay your single self, lady. And we're not saying
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: this because you're gonna vote Democrat and you're gonna support
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: more government spending for bullshit. No, we're not saying that.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: We're we're we have your best interest in her totally.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: But this is like that, we're just flat out this,
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: this article is flat out just saying no man is good.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Leave them all. They're all poisoned, and and the statistics
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: don't bear them out, like I mean, the honest statistic,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: the empirically sound statistic. So, by the way, this is
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: an interesting factoid. Did you know that feminist statistics find
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: about two to four times less male victimhood than non
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: feminist statistics when it comes to domestic violence and sexual assault?
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Did you know that, Brian, that.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Is that small of a gap. Actually two to.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Four times less, can.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Say four times? I thought he was like four No, totally.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So they and it's just a coincidence, guys, just coins,
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: and it's jest. Coins. It is that that the Times
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: uh bases its view of reality on feminist statistics that
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: are so consistently biased against male victims. But when you
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: look at actually empirically sound statistics that minimize recall errors
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: and whatever, you find it's equal. Right, Sexual victimizations pretty
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: much equal. Domestic violence is pretty much equal. Men are
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: about as much threat to women as women are to men, right, Yeah,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: that's that, that's just reality. And the reason why is
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: because women's greater social power evens out men's greater physical power, right,
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: you know, and women can do things like use credible
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: threats of if you don't submit to me, I'll say
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: that you you graped me, You rape me? Right, So
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: it's it's this is this is all exists in a
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: manufactured world where men are no more toxic than women.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: And it's ridiculous to even talk gender toxicity because gender
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: isn't a causal factor for this kind of behavior. What
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: is a causal factor is apparently being subject to multiple
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: forms of abuse, So neglect and sexual abuse, neglect and
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: physical abuse, physical abuse and sexual abuse, right, emotional abuse
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: and neglect multiple forms of abuse has the highest correlation
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: with going on to become an abuser. But even then,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: and it's mostly been men who's been studied, so I
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: can't say the same for women. Even then, children who
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: are multiply abused, only a bare fraction of them go
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: on to become abusive or criminal. Right, it's not even
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: it's not even like it's like one hundred percent. No,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: it's more like three point five percent of abused boys
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: go on to become abusive. So this is it's that
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: the overwhelming current of masculinity is away from being abusive,
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: away from being toxic. And yet if you read articles
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: like this, what is it saying, Oh, ladies, stay away
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: from those men. There's a taxic. They's a taxic. And
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: yet this article comes from an ideology that will keep
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: women single, right, it will keep women single for political reasons.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: And it's not like, I don't even know if you
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: could consider democratic like the Democratic Party to even really
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: have principles at this point. It's only principle is extending
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: expanding government spending and justifying it. So there is the
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: party of expanding government spending, which is almost all the
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: government because the government likes itself a lot doesn't like
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: us much. And then there's a party of trying to
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: rein it in somehow okay, or there's the people that
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: are trying to rein it in. That's it. Those are
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: the two, and this article is encouraging women to be
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: part of its vanguard. That produces a whole bunch of
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: moral smoke, moral camouflage for the activities of expanding government spending.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: That's what single women do. That's why they cape for
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: everything that expands government spending. Have you noticed that?
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah? And government overreached too, not just money, but just
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: like controlling people, censoring people, Yeah, growing people in jail,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: like whatever it is.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: They want more single women. This political position wants more
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: single women because the single women provide cover and they
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: cape and moral force for government spending. Okay, for whatever reason,
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: single women really are okay with spending other people's money.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: So they want to keep the increase in single women.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: So they're constantly doing this kind of stuff. And the
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: thing is that this comes from an ideology that will
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: sacrifice women's well being to promote itself, like feminists will
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: stigmatize interventions into domestic violence that show a reduction in
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: women's risk because it reduces batterers, and they'll they'll be like, no,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: we're not doing that. We're not reducing the number of
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: women who are gonna be battered because that could question feminism.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: So this is from an this this is a toxic
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: ideology telling women that men are toxic, and they're telling
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: it's telling women that men are toxic because it is toxic. Yeah, okay,
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: let's go to the next article.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: All right, So what is GQ? I can't read the
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: GQ one because apparently I don't. I'm not subscribed to GQ.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: So I said you, this should be a transport.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: You can use the choral Ai thing for that instead.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, let's let's use our backup plan.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: All right, So this one is our Macha men the
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: news Soy Boys by GQ.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, actually, guys, I oh no, this is the wait.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: I don't want to do that. Never mind, let's just
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: go back here. I'm not going to touch anything. Okay,
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: all right, come in the new Soy.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Boys, Macha. I have it. I'm looking at it. I
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: can see the article. It's kind of it's kind of
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: long though, well, I mean it's not super long, but
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: like we're reading like three articles and we're watching a video.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Can we just get a summary of this? Because I
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: know everybody who writes an article for any of these
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: websites is like trying to get their book made and
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: say use this as an opportunity to flex their literature skills.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: And I'm just not interested. I just want to know
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: what the point is, where is the where is the chase?
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: And how do I cut to it? So I'm going
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: to go to summary and I'm going to ask this thing,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: you give it to me?
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Give it all right?
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: And of course the summary is also long, good job, choral,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: all right? So summary. In recent years, the vibrant green
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: tea beverage known as macha has surge in popularity, especially
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: young men among men, positioning itself as a healthier and
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: visually striking alternative to coffee. The rise is far to
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: gender debate online about whether it is socially acceptable for
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: men to enjoy what some perceive as a girl drink.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: The phenomenon has given birth to the new archetype of
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: the Macha man. This is a conversation that people are
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: having online. What are you talking about? Like? Can you
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: imagine thought pieces this long and this like robust and
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: this academically backed up about pineapple on pizza. I mean,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: you know, that's a done debate as far as I'm concerned.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: But can you imagine or like whether or not you
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: should you put your roll of toilet paper so that
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: the papers come off the top as opposed to behind,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: you know, and that that somehow is like something we
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: can use to measure your the level of your humanity.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Uh okay, that's a point.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: Because this is level. This is measuring the level of
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: men's humanity.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, whether or not they're they're the enemy of
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: the of the people or not. Okay, well nor okay.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Contrary to the detractors who mock men for drinking Macha,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: many see the Macha man as a figure pushing back
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: against Richard gender norms. Really like having a preference, okay whatever, whatever,
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: uh TikTok. Videos abound showing men incorporating Macha lattes into
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: their fitness routines or casually enjoying the drink socially, sometimes
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: with friends or partners. Social media creators highlight the backlash
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: against Macha men as a product of narrow mindedness that
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: critics use to try and shame men stepping outside of
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: traditional masculine roles. No, what are you talking about? So okay, wait,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: so this is just an the way to attack like
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: normal masculinity. Let them to normal like what they call
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: what they call like toxic masculinity or traditional masculinity. They're
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: blaming that for the ridicule and the shame that MACHA
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: men are getting. But that's not coming from other men.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: That's coming from women. Yes, like it's women saying I
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: don't trust you, you know women.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well maybe it's coming from like fitness bros. Or something.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, like only if they're only if they're saying
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: that it's actually not healthy, because like, you know, I
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: could see that. Like I don't, I don't know. I
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: don't buy any of this. I don't I don't think.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: I don't think men are going around policing other men's masculinity.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's happening. I mean maybe in some
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: places I've run into what red it.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Does happen with the red pill guys, but.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: You know that's not Yeah, but those guys are kind
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: of fringe and like again, like I don't think.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: They have an opinion on what's masculine. These people have
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: an opinion on what's masculine, Like, it's like, how about
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: an opinion? Like lay off the opinions, you know, like, yeah,
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: it's just and that's not this because they are gonna say, well, oh,
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: the maca, the machia masculine, the machulent, the machia masculine,
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: that's that's where it's at. But the machio masculine, that's
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: not where it's at. It's like, so everybody has their
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: opinion of how men are supposed to do. Why not
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: why can't men just you do?
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Well? Yeah, And the thing is most men are just
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: gonna just be like if they're because they're I mean, generally,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: men don't care what other people think. At least I
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: don't think so even even if those other people are
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: other men, like the men like women that like feminist
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: women that talk about toxic masculinity. They they they think
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: that men's social dynamics are like women's, where there's pressure
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: from their friends for men to conform to a certain
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: way of being that is against their nature because it
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: is what men do. That's where they get that, you
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: know that, like those those narratives, you know, we're toxic
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: masculinity is something that men reinforce in each other. And
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: they you see these videos that are like, you know,
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: sketches of men. It's not it's meant to like make commentary,
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: but they're always like really over the top, like, ah, man,
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: did you grab her bits?
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: Man, I did? What did you do? You know? It's like,
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: guys don't talk like that to each other. And I
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: and what it is to me, I think it's a
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a you know, it's an admission that
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: women do that. And so they so they think if
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: women are doing that, which maybe they are, I don't know,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: they assume men are doing that too. They must be.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: But like no, like I've my friends and I when
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: I used to talk to them all the time, that
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: would never come up. We wouldn't talk about stuff like that,
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: Like it was. It just wasn't in my reality, and
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: I never saw it anywhere. I don't think that's the
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: way men communicate. But because they presume that toxic masculinity
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: is some socially reinforced behavior that is actually not men
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: in men's nature, they're they're already starting from a false premise.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: So then this macha man thing happens. And I think
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: it's if anyone is turned off or disgusted or has
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: an issue with it, it's probably women. And if men
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: have an issue with it, it's either because they're these
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: like you said, they're like red pill guys, but more
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: probably more than that, it's probably because they disagree on
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: another level. Because if if a macha man is like
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: actually a male feminist or a progressive, I'm gonna take
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: issue with him. But it's not because he drinks macha.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: It's because he has an ideology that hates men so like,
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: but they're gonna treat that, Oh, you don't like him
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: because he drinks macha. No, I don't like him because
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: he's a feminist. These are different things, you know.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, but let's go to the examples, all right. So
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: if you go to the Coral Eyes transcript, which is
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: just the easiest way to get all of this stuff,
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: and you go to but the gendered conversation comes at
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: a moment of global maka boom. Do you see that sentence?
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: Is that.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: Four four paragraphs down?
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: What? What in the article?
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in the article, in the in the in.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: The but the gendered conversation comes at a moment of
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: a global Macha boom, and the concept of the macha
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: man appears to have originated here in the US from
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: two viral videos earlier this year. The first from digital
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: creator Kyle Umemba declaring his loyalty to the drink and
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: ripping that it's cooler, it's smoother, it's macha. He has
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: since launched a collection of merge with the cash phrase,
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: so yeah, he was selling something, okay.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: The second go to the next.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: Nine year old TikTok comedian Mohammad Hussein and his impersonation
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: of what he described to GQ as a mosque board member.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: A mosque board member who is suspicious of the beverage.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: You're a man, you are guessing you are getting a macha,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: goes the audio, which has since been used for many
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: a macha themed TikTok. Why why not? Can you be
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: a macho? His character goes on to lambast oat milk okay.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: So basically they are examples of pushback against this. But
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: I keep going, keep going, because it's some of it.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: The implication is that it's men keep going.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. In all corners of the Internet, people are repeating
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: the phrase men used to go to war, Now they
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: drink macha. Some are doing so in what appears to
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: be assertion that the drink is feminine, and one viral
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: TikTok one woman writes, don't let no man who drinks
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: macha raise his voice at you you talk to him.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Woman to woman, Yeah, it's a joke.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: Exactly, it's a joke. Well, it's it's it's not a joke.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: She's saying, it's not just a joke. She's also saying
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: that on masculine men earned death. Doesn't drink it, but
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: also earns her deference. She recognizes him as a man.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: A man who drinks maka isn't worthy of her submission.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: Which has got a lot of stuff in there. But
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: let's see if GQ actually unpacks the stuff. Because it's
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: not just a shaming men for liking maka from a
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: woman matcha from a woman. It's also saying that if
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: a man is masculine, you defer to him. So it's
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: it's it's traditional gender roles wrapped up and shaming men
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: for liking this drink. Go to the next paragraph. Let's
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: see how GQ responds to that.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, we've been here before. Drinks have been assigned on
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: official genders for ages, so much so that one twenty
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: twenty three study on gender and food showed that men
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: avoid food seen as delicate and sweet as a way
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: to protect their masculinity. Of course, gendered food discourse is
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: a scourge that women are also taught to internalize, with
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: often disastrous effects. On the Internet, these tends, these trends
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: manifest as men eating raw onions as a test of manhood, shaming,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: soy boys, and protein obsessed diets promoted by the manosphere.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: All right, all right, so what the examples? Do you
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: notice that the examples that GQ gives are a man
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: proclaiming his love of Macha Macha, another man mocking his
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: conservative community for being suspicious of it, a bunch of
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: gender neutral people saying we used to send boys to
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: Warren Alley dream Macha, and a woman who not only
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: shames men for liking Macha but puts them in a
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: binary where you see a man who likes Macha as
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: a woman, and you see a masculine man as someone
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: you defer to, that who can speak loudly to you
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: and give you commands. And somehow GQ translated all of
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: that data into men shaming other men. Too bad? You
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: didn't support it GQ, and it doesn't freaking matter. Like,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: Machia is a very sugary drink. I would imagine people
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: who are promoting a pro to high protein lifestyle lots
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: of fitness are going to be like, this is a
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: sugary drink. Why are you drinking?
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're probably just against carbs or at least like
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: saying that you should take fewer carbs, and macha is
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: yeah pretty high. It's like lattes. They're very sugary.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, But.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: Of course they have to frame it gendered wise because,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: like you know, like the guys that are bodybuilders or
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: that are into fitness, and women too, by the way,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: that are also into fitness stuff, they might be inclined
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: to be more interested in paleo or carnivore or at
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: least high protein, low carb or whatever. That's not a
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: that's not gendered thing, but they're trying to make it
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: into that. But anyway, Yeah.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: I Ultimately, this article concludes that the growing swarm of
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: macha men might be a sign that guys are freeing
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: themselves from gender conformity, or at the very least enjoying
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: what is undeniably a delicious beverage. Okay, freeing yourself from
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: gender conformity isn't landing in the new conformist bubble, but whatever,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: what do I know? God, damn, I'm gonna look at this.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: This freakin' I'm gonna look at this. Uh oh, it's
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: it's okay. This is This is the study that's cited
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: helpful eating is a manhood threat? Do you want me
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: to send it to you so you can pop it up?
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: Sure?
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: Oh? Good grief. Wow again, I apologize for the construction
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: sounds guys. That much I can do right now? Okay,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: I just sent it to you.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you can pop it up.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: We can read the ad strapped. I'm sure it's going
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: to be edifying. It's going to edify something. Wow.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: This is from original This original research Helpful eating as
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: a manhood threat abstract. Two studies test the hypothesis that
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: men's dietary choices are guided by the perceived genderedness of foods.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: Men avoid feminine but healthy foods as a result, and
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: that endorsing a healthy but feminine diet can be a
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: masculinity threat. How do they determine what's healthy? Though? Because
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: I'm starting to feel like this is going to go vegan,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: but let's see. Study one A established gendered associations about
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: a wide range of foods and diet types by having
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: a college student population rate the masculinity and femininity of
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: a wide variety of foods and diet types. So they
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: had college students do this, okay. Study one B surveyed
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: university students and found that the perceived genderedness of foods
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: predicted men's but not women's food preferences, even when controlling
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: for traditional gender role endorsement and foods is perceived healthiness.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: In study two, we experimentally tested whether a healthy but
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: feminine diet represents a masculinity threat for men using a
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: sample of college students. Men and women were assigned to
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: publicly endorse, to publicly endorse a feminine vegetarian or masculine
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: meat based diet. What did I say? What did I say?
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: So basically vegetables are feminine. Men didn't decide this. This
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: thing is claiming that also claiming that vegetables are healthier
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: than meat. This is another claim that I don't think
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: is supported by the evidence per se. And it's funny
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: they're saying vegetarian not just vegan, Like there are no
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: vegetarians anymore, guys, I don't have you noticed. It's just
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: vegan now. Like vegan used to be the fringe thing.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: Now it's the only thing. If you're like not eating meat,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: you're just vegan. There's no vegetarian option, you know, it's
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: just vegan now. But anyway, so, men but not women,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: who endorse the vegetarian diet compensated by reporting stronger identification
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: with their gender and more liking for masculine activities, and
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: they report it being less offended by jokes that targeted
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: feminine groups that symbolically threatened manhood, women and gay men. Collectively,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: these results suggest that men may compromise healthy eating habits
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: because of manhood concerns, and endorsing healthy but feminine diets
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: can create motivations to compensate for threatened masculinity. So that's
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: the abstract, Alison, if you're muted, you can a mute now.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: It's just there is a lot like that. I think
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: they're directly overhead now, so yeah, there's a lot of noise.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: I just put it through GROK. Can I actually share?
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: Okay? So unfortunately, direct access to provided ur l resulted
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: in an error. Okay, I'm going to uh, I'm going
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: to download this sucker and I'm gonna put it into
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: groc and we're gonna look at that. But while we're
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: doing that, we might as well do the third article,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: because it's the one that's the least annoying, the third article.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: Let's do the third article.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: All right, by the way, And I think this is
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: important to note whether you're vegan or not, or if
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: your carnivor paleo meat and protein raises your testosterone. Yeah,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: so I'm just telling you if they're if there's because
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: I don't think the purpose of the study is just
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: to measure this. I think that there is a concerned
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: effort to weaken men. And I think it's been like
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: this for a long time and they have like this
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: is why, this is why the soy boy exists. It's
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: not just shaming men. It's actually because drinking a lot
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: of soy isn't good for you, male or female. Like
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: I got cancer because of it, That's what That's how
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: I got cancer. That's what I think because for a
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: while there I bought into the idea that soy milk
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: was healthier than regular milk, and so I drank a
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: lot of it. I mean, I didn't drink it from
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: the carton, but I had like, you know, coffees with
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: soy milk and soy creamer in it because I thought
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: it was a healthier substitute, because that's what I was told,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: and I got cancer. So I'm just saying, if they're coding,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: they're saying that eating meat is masculine, they are saying
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: that eating meat is harmful, that it's bad because masculinity
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: is bad. So why wouldn't you conclude that? Okay, New
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: York Post woke men mocked by women for obnoxious performative
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: drinking habit. You guys ruined macha. Not my cup of tea,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: these judge girls say. As the current global macho shortage
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: still looms, the drink's devotees are turning against one another.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: The latest tactic to try to curb the tease traction
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: ridiculing its newer fans, who are mostly men. Some ladies,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: who suspect that these men are adopting habits like macha
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: drinking to appeal to single women, have taken their teasing
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: to TikTok. Several women have shared snaps I'm not gonna
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: play this because this video is I think it's in
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: the video that we're trying to Several women have shared
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: snaps of unsuspecting men sitting in macha while reading a novel.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: They claim these performative and woke nails are merely posing
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: an attempt to pick up ladies who are passing by.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: I can't even drink macha anymore without being called performative.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: One fella forlornly declared, Yeah, so women are saying that
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: they either don't think that those men are attractive or
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: that those men are being deceitful by participating in this trend.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: There's something disingenuous about them.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: I'd like macha for years and I'm not stopping because
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: of internet weirdos, declared one dedicated drinker in the comments.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: It's not just the tasty tea that's performative when men
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: enjoy it, though, some TikTok users even labeling habits and
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: hobbies like reading as insincere. Might as well have macha
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: and a Cairo Vinyl with you, Oh, Clario, Clario, I
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: don't know, Claro. I don't know who that is, joked
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: one reply, referring to yet another performative male habit, using
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: wired headphones, carrying tote bags, and listening to the singer
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: Clario Claro are also potential targets. So basically like, if
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: women enjoy something and men enjoy it too, they're fake.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: It's like the fake gamer girl thing, right, Yeah, except
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: like women are actually doing it and they're being loud
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and not quite. I would say that there's a
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: slight difference, but we'll get into that. Finish this, Finish
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: this article.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: However, others didn't find it as amusing. The fact that
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: someone's thirst for knowledge is now deemed as performative is
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: so incredibly concerning. We have strayed so far from the plot.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: Read in public king. It's fun to read with a
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: busy atmosphere around you, wrote one chilled commenter, while another
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: said anti intellectualism is on the rise, and it's pressuring
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: all the smart people to stop reading.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's not. We're not going to respond to that.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: If you're smart, Okay, keep.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: Going, all right. While much of the discourse surrounding the
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: subject tends to focus on how the cheeky trend is
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: more indicative of contemporary culture, particularly where declining reading rates
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: and rampant technology use are concerned. Others simply said, it's
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: not that deep a scant few are simply curious how
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: much reading these literature loving lads actually get done in
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: busy public places. Though how long was he on that
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: page four? Wonder one user and another eagle eyed analyst noted, honestly,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: he's like halfway through the book. If he was like
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: at if he was like at the beginning, then I'd say, yeah,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: But I think it's just genuinely a nerd.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: At the same festival, one sneaky shutterbug noticed the man
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: with a macha in the pocket of his cargo pants,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: sparking plenty of struky comments from women's rolling through the app,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: But perhaps the most succinct sincere explanation for the male
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: macha craze comes from this man in the comments, because
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: macha tastes good. Wow, that's simple. And what's with women
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: all these like women like like paparazzi's taking pictures of
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: men in public, wouldn't like if that was I'm sorry,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: but I.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: Know, yeah, but if.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: The sexes were reversed, like, the guy would go to
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: jail probably, And that's what we know be a problem.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's what we need to do. I mean,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: it's never gonna be old hat because it's something that
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: we actually need to do. Like just today I got
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: into this like there's this this quote unquote marriage counselor.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: You can find him on my my timeline. He ended
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: up blocking me. He swanned in after I said, you know,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: there was a meme that said that men spend more basically,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: men spend more on women than women spend on And
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: I said, can we stop talking about put now? We
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: stop talking about pature? And he swanned in and he said,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: but these men are not spending this money on what
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: women want.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: And I'm like what?
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: And then he goes back and forth with a bunch
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: of part a bunch of people saying why are you
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: making this? Why are you put making men into the
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: bad party because they spend more on their partners than
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: women do. How did men become spend men spend more
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: on women then women spend on men? Women most affected?
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: Like how did you do this? And eventually I got
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: into this argument and I and he was professing that well,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: we need to we need to be about equality. So
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: I simply asked, grok, okay, does this man treat men
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: and women equally, and Grok comes back with new he
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: has a very distinct change in how he treats men
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: and women. For men, if they're angry, he tells men
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: to try to extend themselves to understand women. And for
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: women when they're angry, he tells men to extend themselves
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: to understand why these women are angry. So it's always
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: put on men. The onus is in his therapy. The
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: onus is always put on men to take responsibility for
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: the fate of the relationship. Right, And there's this very
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: stark difference between how he treats male patient or male
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: clients and female clients. And Groc picked it up or well,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: we don't know if he treats male and female clients
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: like that because we don't have access to that material.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: But this is how he treats men and women on
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: Twitter differently. And I pointed this out. I'm like, dude,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: then this is where he blocked me. Like I said
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: a lot of things to him, but this is what
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: he blocked me on. If anything has identified a bias
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: that you have that could potentially be harming your patience,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: don't you think it Behooves you to look further into that. First,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: do no harm. You know, the the the the Esclepias
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: statement that if you're if you're a health acare provider,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: the first thing you have to do is do no harm.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: If Grog has identified a bias, maybe you should figure
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: out if you're bringing that into your your with your clients. Okay,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: and absolutely he responded with like complete dismissal of the
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: potential that this could be something he should look into
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: as as presumably a healthcare provider with any kind of integrity,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: and not just that, not only is he putting the
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: onus on the relationship with the man. So if the
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: man is angry, he needs to understand his wife more.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: If the wife is angry, the husband needs to understand
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: her more. So the onness is always on the man.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: He's justified women's anger, which when he talks to men,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: he says, well, you don't want to live in anger
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: because it leads to a loss of quality of life.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: But you're justifying women's anger, so by your own omission,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: you're leading them towards a toxic life. Don't you want
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: to think about these things a little closely and figure
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: out maybe you're bringing this into your practice. No, the
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: problem was me pointing it out. That really sounds like
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: a guy with the kind of integrity you'd want as
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: a therapist. Huh, good lord. Anyway, So that was this exchange,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: and the way that it brings back is when you said,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: you know, it's getting old hat to switch the genders. No, one,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: we should switch the genders, and we should continue to
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: do so. We should drill down on this as far
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: as we can take it, because we should understand ourselves.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: We should understand when we are not being equal, when
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: we are not applying equality to the to the sexes.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: Whether or not we continue to not apply it is
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: a different question, but we should know when we don't,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: and we certainly like that. Dude shouldn't be saying, oh, yeah,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: I'm all about equality and then do the exact opposite,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: equality for women but not for men, which isn't equality. Guys, Like, literally,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: that's not equality. You can't have equality for one group
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: but not the other. Okay, so we're done this article.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: Uh, basically yeah, And for the record, I wasn't saying
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: that we shouldn't look at the opposite. I was just
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: I know that our audience has already done this because
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: they've seen us do this countless times. So what I'm
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: saying is is probably something you guys have seen before already.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: So I sent you a list of from the video,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: the most like the best takes. If you want to,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: you want to go through that list, or if you
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: have your.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: Own list, Which one is it? Is it just the
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: pdf the performative.
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  Speaker 2: Masculinity, Yes, it's the No, it's the second one.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, the performative male problem. All right, yeah, we can.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: We can use that as a guide since we've already
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: done the intro and we've laid the groundwork with all
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: of these articles. Now, this isn't really like calling her
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: out that much, because again, I think that she's a
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: somewhat sympathetic response.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: Well there's a twist, of course, not quite. I I
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know, because again I think maybe you would
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: just have to watch it. But I'll put these timecodes in.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: We'll just go with this. So first of all, to
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: make sure this sound is gonna work. Score, Okay, it
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: is working. Okay. So she's like going through the list
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: of like traits how to become?
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: What these are? All these how to become? Okay, let's
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: let's let's do it. I'll be quiet.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna play this little bit. It's a joke.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: Though this is a joke.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a performative male. No one knows the life last one. Okay,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: let's see, Uh Macha Claro have a good credit score.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: Oh this is an ad. You know.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: Online discourse is at peak freshness when a paralegal over
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: at Consumer Justice has a great idea for a video
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: only the newest news and trendiest topics on this channel,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: but even traditional meat.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: All right, So well, I mean women do like a
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: man with a good credit score.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: So I went through the IX the list of X
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: with with Mike and that you would be surprised. Apparently,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: waiting in line is an ick. Doing your job is
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: an ick. So I wouldn't be surprised if eventually having
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: a good credit score is somewhere in there as an
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: ick some woman somewhere is a visceral negative reaction to it,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: because honestly, you could just reduce the list of X
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: down to don't be feminine, don't be gay, and don't
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: be don't exist. There you go, all right? All right?
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: So the next TIMEE code is apparently definitions and trades
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: are the performative mail.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: So phenomenon, which is what we in the biz call
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: looking at my phone on the toilet until I can't
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: feel my legs anymore. According to the data I collected,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: traits associated with being a performative male include having a mustache,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: having a letter box account, consuming maucha in any form,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: choosing no alternatives, carrying a toe back, believing in astrology, listening.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: Pausing in for a second. Here, I don't know what
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: letterbox is, but okay, this is all like, well, whatever
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: this is. This all sounds like feminine traits, but I
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: guess that's that's the point.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: Specifically, loath vy Bbadoviy or Clara, owning physical media like
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: CD's Cassetta records, carrying metroproducts, wearing wired earbu's, wearing fifty clothes,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: wearing jewelry, wearing Keycha toys, reading books about feminism and
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: reading books, right, women reading books outside reading.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: You silly slots. Everyone knows boys don't read. I love
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: h I'm interested in the twist, the twist of all this.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well, do you want me to jump
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: around or just cut to the no.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: I'm just interested, okay.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: But all right, Yeah, there is a twist. There is
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: a twist coming. You're gonna You're gonna be like like
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: I was. This may even start to warm up to
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: you and then the worm turns. So how well, I'll
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: let you guys figure that out. Let's let's play the
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: rest of this. There might not be much to it,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: but let's play the rest of this.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: On the first few performative male videos I scrolled through,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: I got the joke, but by the fourth, fifth, and
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: sixth something started to feel off, like when you suddenly
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: realize there's a pebble in your shoe. It's probably nothing anyways,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: you ladies ever hear of Judith Butler my phone numbers
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: written on the back.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: But before we continue, so, okay, okay, this is probably
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: that was him that we're doing a this is what
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: men are doing. Right, do you rate Judith Butler my
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: phone numbers on the back of the book that she
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: was pretending to be a man. That's the only reason
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: why a man will be interested in anything is because
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: it might get him close to a woman. So all right, six,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: I guess like right here, yeah, here we go, and.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: Is bothering me so much?
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: A lot of these tiktoks are formatted in the exact
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: same way, a clueless performative male mining his own performative
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: business while filmed from afar, usually at a cafe. Please
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: buying your latte at a cafe. I only make mine
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: at home with macha fresh from the note.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: And we're not going to talk about this. This is
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: massively creepy, like you are filming somebody in public to
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: post them online to humiliate and bully them. I'm guessing
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: that she never points this out, that this is really
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: unsavory behavior on the part of the women who are
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: doing this, really abusive and thuggish.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 5: And yeah, yep, we did all right, but now it
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 5: just becomes more obvious, right because she's talking about the
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 5: only thing that matters here is men's behavior.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: No, I think there's I think there's I think that
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: there is something you are overlooking here. Okay, let's kid.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 3: I've heard of Kyoto owned by a blind ninety year
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: old woman. She only sells to locals, so you either
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: have to have a friend on the inside or hazard
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: of potentially problematic impression. Her other senses are heightened, So
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: you really got to commit I whatever I want. This
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: is a very tired, I mean tried and true technique.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: The format of the modern freak show. Our job is
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: the audience is to gowck and squawk at his audacity
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: while throwing peanut shells between the bars.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: Of the cage.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: We are also trapped in. There are so many of these,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: and most to them are I mean, it's pretty obvious.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: After a few se So this is women again, you know,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: like this is here's one, says performative final Boss Bro.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: Even gave the cat the ick, and the cat is
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: walking away from this guy playing acoustic guitar while drinking
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: a Macha, listening to something on his headphones sitting on
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: his front porch step.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: They're fake. It's supposed to be satire friends or the
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: account owner themselves dressing up for the bit. I mean,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: surely the average TikTok user has the bare minimum amount
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: of intelligence to realize.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: So yeah, they're they're obviously because they're just getting clicks
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: on TikTok. So this is social media. A lot of
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: it's pretty fake.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: But okay, yeah, I just this is this is a
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: general trend. There is a huge amount of this kind
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: of maybe it's a social contagion where women get together
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: and they reject men and they're not even they're not
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: even waiting for the men to come up to them. Now,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: they're actually filming them in public like a freaking weirdo
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: and rejecting them in like these little cliques. So man
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: is in public doing something that you can frame as
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: potentially rejectworthy, and you film him without his consent. You're
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: just like, I mean, it's public, so you know you
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: don't need his consent, but it's still you know, it
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: may not be illegal, but it is gross. So you
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: film them, and then you get together with your clique
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: of girlfriends or women online and you reject them. You
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: all reject them collectively. Holy shit, that was quite the pump.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: Maybe I should go out there and make sure that
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: one of the roofers didn't fall off.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: Oh I don't think. Maybe here didn't sound that bad.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: No, well, but I got the microphone that's reducing the
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: But like you have a whole bunch of women going
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: online and getting in their little witchy click and just
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: rejecting this dude. And he's done nothing, nothing, He hasn't
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: even gone up Like it's like that, there's no longer
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: men are no longer approaching, so that they're not getting
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: their rejection fixed that way. Oh, I gotta get so rejection.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: I gotta get that rejection. So they go and they
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: go and harass some guy. And this is harassment, right,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: You videotape and you put him on the internet and
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: you open him up to all this stuggish bullying by
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: your clique of witches who are like, oh god, we
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: gotta get that gotta get a harassment. We gotta get
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: our rejection fixed him. Oh we haven't been able to
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: reject him because nobody's approaching us. So we're gonna do
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: this and we're gonna reject him. We're gonna reject him
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: so hard. And it's like that is repulsive. That is
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: like repulsory? Am I making I'm trying to I'm trying
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: to emulate the repulsiveness of this. Yeah, it's got this
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: weird kind of I don't want to use the term
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: in cell energy, but it's it's got that kind of
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: like kind of hatred plus insecurity, plus width of freaking fat,
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: full bo you know, kind of quality to this behavior.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: You know, it's just can you just imagine just women,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: this is gross. This gives me the ick, like you know,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: men rarely give me the ick, but this, like a
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: lot of female behavior, really gives me the ick, and
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: this is one of it. Like, you can't reject men
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: are no longer approaching you, so you can't reject men
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: that way. So you're filming some dude who has is
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: absolutely doing nothing to you, and you're going online and
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: you're opening him up to a bunch of harassment by
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: your fellow losers. And I don't know, I don't know
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: any of the details of your life, but the fact
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: that you're engaging in this behavior loser.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: Losers, yep.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: You know, if you had a husband, you'd be you'd
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: be doing much more fun things right now. But you
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: got into the single woman. The party is single woman.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: Koolid okay, all right.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: So he's reading some of the comments to these obviously
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: like stage videos. RMANIV.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: Who does he think he's falling? I'm so irritated. Who
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: actually reads books outside? Imagine him trying Manchha for the
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: first time, trying to find the page he's lost in
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: his booth with the labubus on his bag and his girlfriend.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: Hopefully that's the case, but my parents performative. Whether or
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: not the videos are real is less important to me
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: than the amount of people who seem very comfortable with
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: the idea that they are surveilling each other in a
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: surveillance state. Seems like a little bit of a roll
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: up beanie on a roll up beanie, don't you.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, my dude, my dude, my froggy dude. I is
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: do men do did do men do this?
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: Do they film women in public and publicly shame them
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: for their choices and appearance?
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: Is there is this?
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: Is this a common male behavior? Why are you referring
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: to this activity as people, people done, people created? I
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: think that this is purely female because I have never
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: I can only imagine the absolute outrage if there were
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: men sharing videos of women shaming them for what they're
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: choosing to eat and dress. Oh god, I just realized
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: just saying that made me sense the title wave of
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: absolute just the tidal wave of anger and outrage that
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: would just just imagine it, Brian, a whole bunch of
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: men on TikTok, maybe even a group of men filming
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: women in public and then going on TikTok to shame
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: them for their food, their dietary choices, and their choices
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: of dress, what they're wearing. I think that would be
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: yeaded off of TikTok so hard, And yet it's okay
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: if women do it to men. So no, she's saying,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: this is surveillance culture created by people. I'm not buying it.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: This is bullying culture created by women.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, all right, so I jumped. The next time
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: code she shows some clips of guys being called performative
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: that don't think they are, and yeah, let's keep goingtive.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: So did we get those pesky fake feminists yet? Like,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: surely the joke is gone too far at this point?
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: Can we keep the comment section off the crosswalk? I
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: don't want TikTok behavior in my neighborhood, and don't make
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: me an ally of the hoa.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: Let me enjoyed my masha at my folk bag.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: I've been doing this since twenty point VII.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: You're a man trying to read in public. But then
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: remember it's performative. God forbids a man by flowers without
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: being called performative. You may think I'm being performative by
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: reading on the subway platform. Little do you know, I
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: haven't understood a single page of this book and desperately
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: just want to finish. I can start something new. You
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: can say, well, if they're not being performative, they shouldn't
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: care what people think. But that's not how humans work.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm guessing that this woman isn't acknowledging that the
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: ciss behavior that women do and men will not they
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that men would. If men were actually
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: filming women in public for the express purpose of shaming
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: their dress and their food, other men, namely like TikTok
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: staff or Twitter staff would be like, what are you doing?
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: I don't even think I'm not even sure I've seen that, Like,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: have you ever seen that? No? No, I mean yes,
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: men can have opinions when women put their own stuff up,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: like the gym the gym bunnies with their don't look
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: at my don't look at my ass, Yeah, my pussy fat,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: which is clothed, but clothed by like a nanoparticle thin
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: layer of blue women, you know, don't look at that
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: as I shove it in your face. But I mean,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: men can have comments on that, or comments about other
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: things that women put up. But I have never seen
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: men do this. This is like a new level of
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: bullying that women have invented. Congratulations, I am in awe
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: odd and full of the ick. Okay, but performative performative.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: What I was gonna say is performative is actually it
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: is feminine. Like women see themselves in terms of a performance.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: It's very interesting, and then they frame everything else in
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: terms of performance. It's unfortunate that English language has two
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: versions of the word perform perform as in to pretend
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: to be something and perform as and to engage in
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: an activity. But yeah, accomplish something, Yeah, to accomplish something.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: Like measuring your performance, you know, yes, on a test
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: or a skill. Yeah.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: Why I don't know why English does that, because they're
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: very distinct. I'm sure.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: I'm sure German. German is un cover.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: On that one, right, Yeah, but it would be like
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: sixteen syllables long.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably basically a sentence that explains it in one word. Okay, okay,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: let's uh, let there's more to this clip. So she
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: is recognizing that this is like overdone.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: Especially young humans, realizing I can't get a girlfriend. So
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: I turned to a performative guy. You're fifteen, worry about
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: how you're going to perform on that algebra two exam
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: next week. You only have a few more years until adulthood.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: Play as much minecraft ask to get the straight the
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: actual performative male can easily discard his disguise and move on.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: The men who are just being themselves are now suddenly
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: having their intentions interrogated. Everyone else is highly discouraged from
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: completely innocuous and sometimes is the twice behavior.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: Mmmm, well, no, it is. It is when well, look,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: let me just letter finish.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: What exactly was the point of all this?
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: Again?
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: I think we can all agree that there's a difference
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: between intent and impact the intended target.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: Do you want me to tell you what the point was?
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: It was for women to indulge increasing their social cachet
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: and bonding with each other through rejecting men. That's it.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: And honestly, it is increasing increases your social cachet because
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: the more men you can reject, the more socially desirable
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: you are. So and and like there is there is
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: psychology to There are psychological studies that suggests that people
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: bond through the rejection of others or expressing hatred towards others.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: So essentially they've just women have just developed a new
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: way to shame the crap out of men, and then
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: they all came together to do it. There you go.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: And honestly, I don't think it's I don't think it's
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: the same as the fake geek girl phenomenon. And the
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: reason why I don't think it's the same is because
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: people were not just rejecting women because they want They
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: took a positive identity from rejecting women, which is women
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: do from rejecting men. It's because they were trying to
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: make sure that these women weren't coming in to police
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: their spaces to death. In many cases, they had a
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: genuine interest in what this stuff was about, right, They
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: have a genuine interest in the merit of the material.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: And guess what, the people who police these fake geek girls,
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: they then gate keyp hard enough and they didn't gate
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: keep hard enough because men want women in their space
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: unless they're based summerman. But you know, so it's like
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: they they wanted women to come in, so they didn't
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: actually make sure that the women who came in had
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: a genuine interest in the space and didn't want to
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: just enter a space and colonize it and take pleasure
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: and being like a freaking pirate taking over somebody's ship
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: and kicking them out and being like, well, this is
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: an I ship, nary are, Well, what we do now,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: we'll just we'll just set up set it a blaze
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: and find a new ship to dig over because we're pirates.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: Should a gate Keith.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: Trder Okay, all right, Albatross gives a super chat for
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: two and says it's giving sour Graves female energy. I
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: just had to like unpack that coded word. But I
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: think it's female. So yeah, thank you, Albatross. Uh yeah,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: I think that's right. I think that's right. Okay.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: A pull from NBC paints a very different picture than
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: that painted by Poppy Seed Sourdough of the Times.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 6: What we found was a major gender gap among gen Z.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 6: We talk about a gender gap. We see this all
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 6: age categories. It was even more dramatic among gen Z,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 6: where gen Z women much more anti Trump, much more
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 6: progressive than gen Z men. We asked them a very
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 6: interesting question about what they're how they define success in life,
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 6: and what we found was when you break it down
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 6: by gender and by politics, the divide between these two
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 6: groups in just the basic question of success in life
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 6: was profound.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: I think sometimes what's more important?
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's interesting. They left that part out where men
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: want like a wife and a family and women want
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: to be girl bosses and that was like their goals
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: in life. Interesting omission there. I don't know if that
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: was the fault of MSNBC or Funky Frog Bait. I'm
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: guessing that they both were probably fine with that being
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: left out though. Anyway, So this was to what no, sorry,
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: I apologize, Oh no, it's okay. Uh No, I was
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: gonna just go to the next time ago. But I
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: do want to say that this, this trend that everybody
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: can see kind of flies in the face and the
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: of the idea that men are trying to change their
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: behavior to appeal to women. When men didn't change their
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: voting or their beliefs. They just like basically put their
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: foot down and said, no more, We're done with this.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: We're gonna go over here now, we're gonna you know,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: Daddy's home. We're gonna basically like clean up and fix this.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: And it's weird that you would think that they would
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: do that, you know, potentially alienating all the women in
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: their life because they know it's the right thing to do.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: But then we'll still engage in performative behavior in the
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: hopes of attracting woman. I don't think it's that simple.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: I think that there are some men who are just
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: into that stuff and that's fine, and then there are
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: men who are not. But you know, I'm I'm crazy
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: for seeing people as individuals. I guess also fine, Yeah,
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: it's fine.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: Honestly, I think we need to we need to chill
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: with this policing of masculinity. And I don't mean that
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: in a feminist way, because they do more do it
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: more than anyone. They police it out of existence. Like
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: there's a difference between I don't know what traditional masculinity
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: did it, which was just giving you know, like Johnny,
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: stay within the boundaries of this fence, you know, the
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: fenced in ranch. Just stay in there. That'll be your masculinity.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: And feminists who are like Johnny, come over here, we're
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: gonna blow your brains or out and roll you into
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: a ditch. We're just gonna kill you entirely. Yeah, it's
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: like we're freeing you. We're freeing you, little Johnny from
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: the constraints of any kind of identity whatsoever. Don't you
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: feel great? Also, you can be feminine but not masculine
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: like that. That's the difference, Like traditional masculinity puts some
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: structure to young men's identities. Feminism says, well, we'll get
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: rid of that structure. But that means we don't recognize
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: you have any value whatsoever as a boy or a man.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: Aren't you feeling free? Yeah, we took away all your value.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: Don't you feel free? Like? Nobody's more free than the homeless.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: They don't have to go home to a home, they
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: don't have to deal with that brills. They're so free.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: That's what feminism is doing for young men. It's freeing
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: them from masculinity, from a recognition that they have any
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: inherent value whatsoever. Like ku, we just calm down from
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: that and just be like, you know, men sort of
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: have their own inherent way of doing things really different.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: You know, it's just there, and you don't have to
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: force it to be there, and you sure as hell
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: shouldn't force it not to be there, because that ain't fair.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: But just let's just all chill out and just breathe
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: and just let them be who they are. You know,
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: is there that side anywhere outside of like men's issues? Okay?
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right?
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: Nextction of the wiki page the exact kind of book
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: that a performative male might tote around in his toe.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: Gender Trouble by Judith Butler, So I bought it. First off, Hey,
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 3: philosophy majors, stop casually recommending this, you psychopaths. Do you
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 3: understand how much effort it took for my social media
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: poisoned brain to navigate this linguistic mindfield. I think I
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: had to read each page at least three to four times.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 3: Miss Judy b spit in my mouth, beat me over
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: the head with theory, using words I didn't know how
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 3: to pronounce, and I said, okay, we.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Butler is a he is a monster. I don't
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: know which is worse, her Julie Bindle. They probably would
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: hate each other though. I think Julie Bendo is more
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: of the turf feminists and Judith Butler's more on the
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: intersectional side. But uh yeah, she's a demon for but
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: anyway we're getting to she's going to be the solution.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: This is where the twist comes. I think. So throughout
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: the video she's saying talk about this performative male thing,
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: and there is a bit of credence given to the
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: idea that performative males are doing that because they're trying
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: to get women to sleep with them and so therefore
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: disingenuous and nothing they're doing is real. But then she says,
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: but we've kind of like overdone this thing where we're
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: policing that behavior, and now we're getting normal men who
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: just are you know, for whatever reason, by their nature,
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: they're trying. They they just want to read books, they
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: just want to drink macha, they just want to be
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: feminist men, and we're driving them away. So she she
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: doesn't see this as she sees it as a problem
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: because it's gone to excesses and it's frustrating her. So
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: this is where you get to the I think. I think,
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: let me see here, because you got the time out.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: I know it was like another thing here, but let's
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: just go with this small book.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: Butler investigates the works of other philosophers such as Lucier Garray,
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: Simone de Beavoir, and Monique Vitig and their attempts to
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: define gender and how it relates to the goals of
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: the feminist movement.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: Butler encourages the more all right, so basically it's bullshit,
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: all right, I'm just going to get in here. So
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: they're they're they're defining gender in relation to the goals
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: of the feminist movement? Who let them do this? Like, seriously,
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: who listened to this and said, you know, let's let's
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: let's do this. Let's let's let feminists just operate in
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: academia unopposed for seventy years. Right, let's just do it
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: our sixty years, fifty years? How a manys? All right,
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: let's just let them do that, let them define the
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: genders in such a way that they advanced their own goals. Surely, surely,
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: nohing bad, nothing bad will come of that. Surely, let's
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: just let a bunch of radical like the radicals that
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: consume Marxism. Let's just let them define the most important
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: relationship in human society. Boy, that was a bold strategy
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: for us, wasn't it. Damn Okay? I'm done, all right.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: Not as a pre existing objective reality, but as binary
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: category constructed by our juridicial systems and hedged in by
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: compulsory heterosexuality, and not even necessarily constructed, well more, just
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: kind of bumbled together by what she calls a paternal law,
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: laying tracks just far enough ahead to maintain order. Even
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: the concept of sex largely agreed to be a simple
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: biological fact gets kind of blurry when you zoom out.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, humans could have just as easily created these
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: important social divides between blonde versus brunette or versus brown
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 3: eyes or.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, is she advancing this notion seriously.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: Or as she read Judith Butler and now her brain
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: is cooked and she just buys it.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: No, I hope you don't.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: Just god, he reads Hooks.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: I mean difficult. Why does she need bell Hooks?
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: Well? Because bell Hooks is a femine intersectional Okay, I
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: just want.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: To point something out. It is so difficult being somebody
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: who's trying to get people to engage in critical reasoning
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: and being up against people who are perfectly willing to
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: take the putty that is this individual's brain and twist
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: it into whatever shape they want. It's so much harder,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: and then tell them that that's critical thinking. Critical thinking
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: is letting me do whatever I want to your brain lobes. Okay,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: mm hmm.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: All right, I'm just checking something, all right, a little
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: bit more thirty thirty seconds or.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: Something tall versus small, instead of this genitalia versus this
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 3: other genitalia. And that's not even including the complications introduced
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 3: by the existence of intersex people. It all gets kind
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: of subjective when you start to think about it. Butler's
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 3: ultimate conclusion is that gender itself is performative. Quote that
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 3: the gendered body is performative suggests that it has there's
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: no ontological you fucking dumb the various acts.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: No, if you accept that gender is performative, then you
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: can control it.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, first of all, no, wonder women are conjecturizing
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: about gender. And that's the other thing. It's a bunch
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: of women deciding what gender is. Who are they asking men?
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: Of course, you're gonna call it performative because that is
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: your particular version, that is your mentality when it comes
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: to gender, Like that's the way that women view things
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: as performative, as a performance, right. That's that was actually
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: in the the study that I looked at that looked
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: at how people how masculine, how people who are masculine cope,
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: how people are feminine cope, and all the who had
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: the best coping skills. Essentially it was men or men
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: and women who were able to access female feminine or
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: masculine coping had the best coping skills, and then men
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: who had masculine coping skills, and then feminine coping skills,
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: and then the group that they call like neuter or
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: neutral or like non differentiated, which would basically just be
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: childish who have no coping skills, neither masculine nor feminine. Right,
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: But femininity is performative. Masculinity is about metrics of how
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: you know, not performative as in making a performance, but
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: performing an action and the consequences of those actions. So
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: you see yourself in terms of the consequences of your
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: actions versus how people perceive you. Basically see the difference. Now,
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: Judith Butler somehow figured out that all gender is a
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: performance because she's a woman and that's how she views gender.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: And this is the problem with giving feminists the ability
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: to dictate gender, and all feminists being women, they only
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: see everything through their lens. So instead of instead of
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: recognizing that there's another half of the human race that
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: sees themselves and the way that they do in the
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: world differently, they only see themselves and then suddenly the
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: other half becomes something to eradicate as incorrect. Oh, good grief,
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: and I hope this is I'm starting to sense the twist.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: It's starting to emerge from the swamps of sadness's can
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: we shall we watch some more?
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I have, there's Yeah, we haven't gotten to the
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: bit yet as there's a couple more time codes, but.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 3: Which constitute its reality.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: Aka, you don't do things as well as.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 3: You're a certain gender. The things that you do create
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 3: the illusion of gender. And according to Butler, what we do.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: Is pregnancy and ejaculation.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 3: This is so bad that regularly those who fail to
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: do their gender right our gender performance.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: All right, all right, you mean like mother nature? Yeah,
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: you know, if a buck fails to inseminate a deer,
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: he is punished by mother nature. If a buck chooses
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: instead to try to inseminate trees, that's not going to
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: be adaptive. Like this is absolutely absurd, Like these grow.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: A beard, lady, and then you're a man. Just just
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: will it and to exist since manifested.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: Genders performative. Okay, all right, so I guess men did
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: get pregnant. Now they can perform pregnancy.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: Oh this is still she's still laying the groundwork for Okay,
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: all right, look we're not there yet.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 3: Man to be a good mother, to be a heterosexually
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 3: desirable object.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: To be a fit worker. There is no such thing
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: as an object, whether men heterosexually desirable object, and if
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: there is, then women have it in spades because all
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: of their sex toys don't have any humanity to them
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: at all. Okay, they have a bell.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: Jar or playing fantasy football. They are performing, so are
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 3: you and so am I? From flappers to hipsters, there's
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 3: always been a public outcry if enough people start violating
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 3: gender norms. Pats now their hair long, missy, that's good.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 3: It's too trying to put an ethical spin on it.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 3: Doesn't make it any more intellectual than the scolding of
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 3: your grandmother.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: We want to uh yeah, those are surface level things
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: that don't necessarily determine anything. So we basically claim that, oh,
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: you grew your hairlong as a man, that makes you
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: a woman. No, because if it made you a woman,
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: it wouldn't be worth pointing out that growing your hair
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: long mattered, right, You would just be like, oh, I
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: guess you're a woman now because you grew your hair long. Instead,
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: people are pointing out that, you know, like back when
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: it was I guess unnatural for men to grow their
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: hair long. Maybe they took at you that back then,
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: but I don't know, I feel like all that's fake anyway.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: But look, let's get to the earth the No, we're
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: getting to the there, so let's go back to because
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: this is like the this is the this is the twist.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: I think. So all this time we were talking about
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: the performative male and how where it comes from, which
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: is you know, like women seeing men that behave like
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: male feminists as bad because it means they're actually secretly predatory.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: Then she says, oh, you guys are overdoing it because
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: you're going after actual like allies and actual you know,
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: perhaps actual male feminists that actually like macha and these
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: feminine coded things. So now, what la booboos?
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: Where the hell did the little master go through all
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 3: of the intellectual posturing? The anti PSL campaign had a
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 3: palpable hatred for a very particular woman, an established character
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 3: with accessories and behaviors that complimented her drink of choice.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 3: Sound familiar. Today's Macha is yesterday's pumpkin spice. Today's performative
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 3: is the flip side of yesterday's basic. It operates on
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 3: the same logic Liking bad dumb things is natural for women.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 3: If a man likes it, he must have ulterior motives
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 3: or be you know, gay, because.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: Do you see what she's saying, So the women most affected? Yeah,
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: I figured that's where.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: But that's not a performance, is it? Like this is
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: what's hilarious about them? Everything, everything feminine is a performance
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: except being a victim. That's that is not that that's
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: that is actual existential truth, the existential truth of femininity.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: Everything is performative about masculinity except being the aggressor that
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: that that actually is like, that is that is the
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 2: truth that that isn't performative. That's just the existential definition
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: of masculinity is being the villain, and the existential definition
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: of femininity is being the victim. So we don't have
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: gender roles except for these ones. And what a surprise?
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: Everything into women most effective women are the victim. What
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: a flipped and surprise. Also, I just wanted to point
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: out the fact that gender roles can have different rituals
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: or evolved and have different social markers. Doesn't mean that
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: biology is a performance. That's absurd.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we just it's those things are like the it's
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: like fashion. You know, men used to wear heels back
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: in the day too, So what like it doesn't mean anything, No, no.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: It doesn't. Yeah that when men wore heels, they still
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: had directions and ejaculated.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they still fought and died in wars, and
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: they still you know, protected a home like it still did.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: There were behaviors that were still expected of them that
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: they were just better at than women.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, that's that's and so there was still
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: these expectations put on men, and and still men looked
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: at the world in the way that men do.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: And that's what has happened is women have looked at
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: the world like feminists, and they've decided everything is feminine.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: Coat is basically the way that women look at like,
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: everything is performance. And then they've they've declared that there
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: is no such thing as gender. Well, you've just categorically
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: removed one sex is intellectual perspective from your consideration, and
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: so yeah, we're all gender fluid now because there is
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: no such thing as the binary. You did that to yourself, bud.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: There's no such thing as the binary. Yeah, because we've
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: removed one poe like, we've removed the legitimacy of men
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: as as a way of thinking, Like men have their
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: own particular way of thinking. That's illegitimate. Now we all
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: have Now it's a gender, there's no there's no men,
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: so now we can say that it's fluid. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: this is all nonsense.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: Thirty more to this clip.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 3: Hold on, okay, like bad dumb things. Women's participation doesn't
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 3: change this.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 3: By the way, they were some of the anti PSL
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 3: campaign's most decorated soldiers back in the day. I will
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 3: never recover from those webcomics. This is why the performative
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 3: male trend isn't revenge for women. It's the sequel what
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 3: started out as a friend no danger.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just kidding, there's all that's a twist.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: But anyway, so women most affected. Basically this is the
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: rejoinder to.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: The pump, the reason, the reason why these men are
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: getting shamed for so like if they're performative. If it's performative,
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: then it's not real, it's not genuine, and the men
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: are being like evil, lying manipulators that can get women
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: to sleep with them. If it's legitimate, then it's bad
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: that we're shaming them because well essentially we're shaming their
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: behavior as feminine because all things that are feminine are
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: bad because women are bad. So you know, like damned
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: if you do, damned if you don't.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: As usual, Yeah, you know, honestly, I like pumpkin spice
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: quite a bit. Yeah, and I both like it. It
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: is a fine spice, it is a fine spice mixture.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: It's a fine spice medley. There's nothing wrong with it.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: And yet I also find the basic bitch pumpkin spice
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: memes actually pretty funny because they are and you know why,
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: it's because everybody likes pumpkin spice, so it's basic. Yeah,
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: and I don't.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: Even find it very well, is the basic thing. Most
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: of that was, and she even said it. Most of
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: that was women fighting with other women. Men didn't care
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: that we We're gonna still into the pumpkin spice thing,
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: like every time like come around, there's like jokes about it,
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: but like no one, no one is upset, no one
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: is losing sleep over it, no one's traumatized.
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: Funny, Yeah, I mean, I think people need to draw
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: a distinction between teasing like the basic bitch pumpkin spice thing,
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 2: because nobody. I don't think anybody really thinks that women
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 2: who like pumpkin spice are like respond are the devil,
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: Like she's overstating that, like, I don't think that they're
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 2: they're they're viewing them in a criminal lens. Like, let's
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 2: clarify things here. The real problem is when we start
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: to criminalize people, when we start to say that their
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: behavior is anti social. Nobody's saying that about basic bitch
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: pumpkin spice lovers. It's just a joke, it's just mild ribbing,
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: tweaking the nose. But what they're saying about men who
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 2: like Maca, I mean, you can shame them as feminine,
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: who cares, right, that's your opinion. But the people who
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 2: are saying that they're some kind of toxic potential sexual abusers,
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 2: they are. They are criminalizing those men, which is removing
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: removing moral consideration for for them. So this is this
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 2: goes beyond just just teasing someone for liking pumpkinspice and
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: being basic, right. This goes into the territory of threat narratives,
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 2: of wartime propaganda, of justifications for slavery and genocide when
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: we view people as criminal. And there is absolutely no
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 2: reason to view men who like Maca as criminals. And
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: yet here we are, here, we be on the map,
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 2: here we lie, and and this and and this after
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 2: a whole lack of women have been videoing men in
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 2: public to upload their images of the net, to harass
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: and bully them, and to regard them as some of them,
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 2: regarding them as having nefarious criminal intent over them. Like
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: it is like, this whole thing is is women sexually
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: rejecting men who have expressed absolutely no interest in them whatsoever.
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 2: And no, women are not most affected. And no, this
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: isn't an extension of the performative basic bitch pumpkin spice
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: latte femininity. This is completely this is a completely different animal, entirely,
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 2: completely different. You know what, It's fine, you know what, Honestly,
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 2: I'm okay with the protein bros mocking the Macha bros.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: Like that's just teasing. Honestly. Maybe maybe it's a little
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 2: bit mean spirited teasing, but usually that kind of teasing
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 2: doesn't result in anybody being shoved into appliances that get
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 2: really hot.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 2: It's the it is the criminalization and then also the
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 2: dehumanization of this entire process, going out in public, finding
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: a man minding his own business, filming him, uploading him,
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 2: and then shaming him and subjecting him to oh, he's
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 2: probably his interior motives, toxic sexual ulterior motives, and we
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 2: got to call it out and publicly shame him. It's like,
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 2: what the fuck are you doing? Ladies?
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 1: What is this?
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 2: And then we have froggy here, Oh, women are the
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 2: roost affective? This is all about it? No, it isn't.
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 2: This is entirely, entirely female behavior, and it's nasty female behavior,
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 2: and we don't see it because it's pointed at men.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 2: There's no excuse for this. And neither the New York Times,
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 2: nor the New York Post, nor GQ nor this individual
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: correctly identifies the real problem here. What the hell are
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: you ladies doing? Can I even call you ladies? Who thought?
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: This wasn't a This was a sensible idea. Why are
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: you harassing men who do nothing? Do nothing to you.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: They haven't even had the audacity to go up to
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 2: you and say hi uh or express any sexual interest
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 2: in you, and you are reading sexual interest into them,
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 2: not even knowing that you're filming them like this is
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 2: pathological to the nth degree. And no, we shouldn't be
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 2: having the discussion about oh, well, mcha bos like they
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 2: are they doing? Well? What does this mean? No, that's
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 2: not the discussion that we should be having here. The
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 2: discussion we should be having here is why do women
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 2: think this is appropriate behavior? Any of this filming a
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 2: man who is minding his own business to put him
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 2: online so that you and your your gaggle of witches
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 2: can reject someone to read sexual intent into somebody who
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 2: is minding their own business in public and then reject him,
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 2: like what the what? What level of hell are we at? Okay? That?
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 2: Like again, that's the discussion is not whether or not
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 2: men like maca, whether or not men read that. The
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 2: discussion is why do women feel like this is acceptable behavior?
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 2: Why do they feel entitled to do this to men?
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, sorry, Oh it's okay. That was the last
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: time code. I think that was it. That was the
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: That was the twist, That was the the money shot.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: I guess the take home is, you know, like women
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: most affected because Pumpkin spice, It was like that claim
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 1: is doing a lot of heavy lifting, a lot of
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: heavy lifting. So yeah, the hell has nine layers. This
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: is the abyss, So this is what this is below Hell.
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: This is the no, the abyss is a different place.
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 1: Six hundred and sixty six layers. So yeah, we're on
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: maybe I don't know, I lost count.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 2: No, you're right, there's probably still a room to go lower,
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: far lower, Like what.
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 5: The fuck like?
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 2: And nobody, I'm guessing nobody pointed this out.
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 1: Nobody's like, you've got her fans. They there, they hear
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 1: what they want to hear. They're they're justified by that.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: They you know, it's funny like when when men do
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: something that women don't like, then their masculinity is called
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 1: in the question they get blamed for. But when it
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: looks like they can't escape the double standard, because that's
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: what was going on, where there are women attacking men
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: for being you know, performative, and like it was getting
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: to the point where she couldn't call it out, what
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 1: does she do? She pivots to Judith Butler and said, well,
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 1: there's no such thing as gender, and then she says,
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 1: but also women most affected. It's actually a woman an
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: attack on women. So you go from men are affected
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 1: by something, Then you go Judith Butler says there is
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: no such thing as a man because jenner doesn't exist,
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 1: and then you go, but also women are most affected.
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 1: So this is the this is the game plan. When
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 1: it looks like men are about to get sympathy, we
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: erase them by saying, what what is a man? Though?
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 1: What even is that? And then when once people are
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: bamboosled by that, you go also, but look at here
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 1: is an example of how women are affected by this thing.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 1: And then we move away. We're done talking about it.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: Don't look. No, there's no turning the page back. You
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: know it's over. We got so.
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 2: Many spells for for this is not my problem. You know,
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 2: there was like a this is not my problem field
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 2: in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. We have so many
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: ways of throwing and this is not my problem field
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 2: over men's issues, this is not my problem, like and yes,
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 2: what you're saying her convoluted reasoning. Yeah, but what really,
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 2: what really gobsmacks me is that the story here isn't
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 2: women feel entitled to videotape men for the express purpose
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 2: of shaming their clothing and there and food choices and
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 2: their reading in public, to on on internet to bully
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 2: and shame them. That wasn't that. That's that's not the
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 2: story here. The story is actually legitimating this entire discourse
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: and saying, oh, yeah, it really is about the men,
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: not women's behavior towards men and then sexualizing those men
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 2: and rejecting them. Boy, that's embarrassing. Mm hmm like that.
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 2: That is some fem cell energy there. I'm gonna use
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 2: that term, all right. So, uh, once again, I want
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  Speaker 2: If you have any final thoughts, go ahead.
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: No, I think I said what I wanted to say
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: about the video. I think I basically made it clear.
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: So album I'm good.
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, our ar for z says it's the sep field
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: someone else's problem. Yeah, we got a lot of ways
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 2: of throwing the sep field over men's issue. You've just witnessed.
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 2: One invokes the spirit of Judith Butler.
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 1: Yep, and she you couldn't read Judith Butler's common gobbledygook words,
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 1: but still managed to extract from that despite the fact
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 1: that she struggled to read it enough of an argument,
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 1: or at least something that looked like an argument, so
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 1: that she can present it in her video while claiming
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 1: that she did all the heavy lifting for her audience
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 1: so they don't have to. So she's basically saying, I
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 1: read this really hard to read books, so you don't
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: have to. And here's the thing that I came up with.
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: Oh look, how lucky for us. We're still right and
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: not at all at fault for any of this stuff,
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 1: and men just have to like accept that they're the
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: problem still. So yeah, that's it. That's that those are
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: my thoughts.
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or at least that men are not the victims ultimately.
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: Certainly not no, because as we know, but even when
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 1: men are the victims, men are the perpetrators, So that
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 1: cancels it out. Remember men are the ones calling men gay,
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 1: not women. That's not happening.
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, she did admit that it was women who
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: were doing the pumpkins spice things, so at least she.
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: Admitted that, Yeah, she did, But I think she was
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 1: trying to say, look, we hold our own accountable or something. Yeah,
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 1: it was kind of like a pat on the back
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 1: for women.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 2: So but what I think ultimately it comes down to
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 2: is that gender is a performance, but women are always
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: victims and men are always the villains. Yeah, women are
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 2: always in the white hats and men are always in
• 2:09:34
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• 2:09:36
  Speaker 2: hero hats. Women are always in the frilly bonnets and
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: men are always in the black hats. And there is
• 2:09:42
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