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Legally Brunette: The Only Woman on Tennessee’s Death Row · Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to an episode of Legally Brunette. I'll be your
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  Speaker 2: host today, Emily Simpson with..
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  Speaker 1: Shane.
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  Speaker 2: Shane. Okay. First of all, before we get into... We're
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  Speaker 2: going to talk about Krista Pike. That's going to be
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  Speaker 2: the main focus of this episode. But before we get there,
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  Speaker 2: I just wanted to do... Well, there's something new that
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  Speaker 2: came up in the news that I wanted to talk
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  Speaker 2: about that's looks to be like it will potentially be
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  Speaker 2: a true crime issue and then wait a couple.
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  Speaker 1: Updates crime hasn't been committed yet no not yet but
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  Speaker 1: there's gonna be a homicide soon.
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  Speaker 2: I i feel it coming i think it's yeah so
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  Speaker 2: this is i i just started seeing this yesterday i
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  Speaker 2: saw it once and then you know how you look
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  Speaker 2: at it on instagram and then all of a sudden
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  Speaker 2: i just i was seeing it everywhere it's um When you.
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  Speaker 1: Say everywhere, you mean every time you look at Instagram,
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  Speaker 1: it popped up?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, every time I opened Instagram, it was there. So
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  Speaker 2: this is Jenny Lupton. I don't know if you've heard
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  Speaker 2: of this yet, but she is an Oklahoma resident who
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  Speaker 2: spent nearly 29 years as a flight attendant with Southwest.
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  Speaker 2: She was found dead at a Waikiki hotel on Thursday,
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  Speaker 2: August 20th. She was also a mother. According to family members,
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  Speaker 2: the Honolulu Department of the Medical Examiner notified them that
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  Speaker 2: Lupton appeared to have fallen from a balcony on the
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  Speaker 2: 24th floor of the hotel. First of all, let's just
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  Speaker 2: talk about this before I get on with more of
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  Speaker 2: the facts.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, is that all that we know now or is
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  Speaker 1: there a suspect or anything?
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  Speaker 2: No, there's, well, there's no suspect. Well, they haven't determined
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  Speaker 2: whether it was foul play or not.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying. Right, so that's all we know right
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  Speaker 1: now is she's falling off the balcony.
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  Speaker 2: A hotel employee discovered her body near a dumpster. I
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  Speaker 2: also read her body was found in the dumpster. So
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if she was found in the dumpster
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  Speaker 2: or near the dumpster. But Jenny Lupton had traveled to
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  Speaker 2: Hawaii for work, but had planned to remain on the
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  Speaker 2: island for a few days before heading home. Also, I
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  Speaker 2: believe this hotel that she stayed at is where all
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  Speaker 2: the pilots and flight attendants stay. And I'm sure she's probably,
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  Speaker 2: if she's been a flight attendant for 30 years and
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  Speaker 2: she does the route to Hawaii, she's probably stayed in
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  Speaker 2: this hotel, I would assume, I'm guessing, but I would
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  Speaker 2: assume numerous times. Her sister, Tressa... Noted that she had
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  Speaker 2: received a text message from Jenny in the hours right
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  Speaker 2: before her death saying that her sister had told her,
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  Speaker 2: this is Jenny, had told her sister that she had
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  Speaker 2: gone out dancing with a fellow flight attendant and had
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  Speaker 2: even gotten a tattoo that evening. And the tattoo that
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  Speaker 2: she got was a large hibiscus. I guess it was
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  Speaker 2: in honor of her late. It's like a flower, like
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  Speaker 2: a hibiscus flower, but it was a big tattoo.
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  Speaker 1: And she got it in Hawaii?
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  Speaker 2: In Hawaii. It was in honor of her late father.
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  Speaker 2: And I believe she was telling her sister that I
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  Speaker 2: think she only had it done just maybe the outline,
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  Speaker 2: just the black.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Like the first stage. Right.
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  Speaker 2: That was stage one. But she also needed, she was
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  Speaker 2: telling her sister that she would need to obviously finish
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  Speaker 2: it and complete it. Southwest Airlines confirmed that Jenny Lupton's
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  Speaker 2: death occurred during a layover in saying in a statement,
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  Speaker 2: the Southwest Airlines family is deeply saddened by the passing
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  Speaker 2: of our colleague. We have offered our condolences and support
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  Speaker 2: to the employees, family and coworkers and are engaged with
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  Speaker 2: local authorities as they investigate. The family has rejected the
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  Speaker 2: possibility of this being a suicide and is pushing for
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  Speaker 2: a formal investigation, citing what they describe as a confusing timeline.
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  Speaker 2: The timeline doesn't make sense and we are afraid that
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  Speaker 2: maybe there was foul play. This is what her sister said.
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  Speaker 2: The family is also making plans to travel to Hawaii
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  Speaker 2: to bring Jenny home. You know, I would, I, you
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  Speaker 2: have to travel to Hawaii if you want to figure
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  Speaker 2: out what happened. I mean, you have to be on.
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  Speaker 1: You have to be at the scene because.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, this is what I was thinking. This
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  Speaker 2: is a touristy area. This is a touristy hotel. This
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  Speaker 2: is Hawaii. I feel as if the, the police department
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  Speaker 2: or the investigation probably wants to keep things. I'm just speculating,
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  Speaker 2: but probably on the down low because you don't want
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  Speaker 2: anything to look like, like there's, nefarious things going on.
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  Speaker 1: Like on Jaws. They didn't want to announce that there
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  Speaker 1: was a shark because it was a 4th of July weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And they were going to scare a lot of tourists.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So they kept under wraps until Jaws killed some people.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, when I was reading this story, Jaws did not
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  Speaker 2: come up in my mind, but that's a good analogy.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with you. The point is, we're talking about Hawaii,
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about Waikiki, we're talking about where tourists come
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  Speaker 2: and spend lots of money. So the last thing that
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  Speaker 2: the local law enforcement wants to do is put out
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  Speaker 2: something that this is a dangerous area. So the Honolulu
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  Speaker 2: Police Department has opened an unattended death investigation, but has
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  Speaker 2: not released further details.
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  Speaker 1: But then the only other explanation, if it wasn't a crime,
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  Speaker 1: then it was suicide. Well, I guess it could have
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  Speaker 1: been accidental.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it could have been accidental. We don't have a
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  Speaker 2: toxicology report, but I don't know. I still, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you're talking about, she's 50 years old, same age as me.
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  Speaker 2: She went out dancing. She probably had a couple of drinks.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that for sure, but maybe she did.
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  Speaker 2: She got a tattoo. She came home.
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  Speaker 1: She was texting her She's living her best life.
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  Speaker 2: Sister, I don't know. Yeah, she seems to be living
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  Speaker 2: her best life as a flight attendant.
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  Speaker 1: She has a child back home.
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  Speaker 2: And I saw a photo of the balcony and the railing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it looks like a standard railing. I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: for you to accidentally fall, I mean, you would have to..
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  Speaker 1: Do something stupid.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you would have to be standing on a table
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  Speaker 2: drunk and stumble off of it and over the edge.
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  Speaker 2: So accidental falls off of balconies don't make sense to me.
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  Speaker 1: You'd think there'd be enough technology... Like, obviously not in
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  Speaker 1: her room, but cameras in the hallway, cameras everywhere to know,
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  Speaker 1: to narrow down what happened. Who came in and out
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  Speaker 1: of her room? You know, maybe there's cameras outside by
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  Speaker 1: the dumpster.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure there are.
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  Speaker 1: It's got to be something.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure there are. There's just none of that
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  Speaker 2: information has been released. But I would, if I was
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  Speaker 2: her family member, and I didn't think for one second
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  Speaker 2: that this was suicide, because obviously the fact that she's
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  Speaker 2: texting her sister talking about, even though this isn't indicative
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  Speaker 2: of not committing suicide, but when you talk about future plans...
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  Speaker 2: It's just insight into the mens rea, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, leans more towards not suicidal. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Because a lot of times when people, you know, we've
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  Speaker 2: talked about cases where, you know, someone claims it was
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  Speaker 2: suicide and then, but they use evidence of texts or
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  Speaker 2: plans or calendars to present that someone couldn't have committed
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  Speaker 2: suicide because they were making plans for that evening. I
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  Speaker 2: had to look up, well, the Hawaii Police Department They
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  Speaker 2: called it an unattended death investigation. So I had to
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  Speaker 2: look that up because I'd never actually heard that term,
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  Speaker 2: unattended death.
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  Speaker 1: You mean she died without anyone present?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. So it means a death where a person has
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  Speaker 2: passed away without a medical professional or any witnesses present
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  Speaker 2: to see or confirm the event. So it's an unattended death.
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  Speaker 2: Here's my speculating into the future. I believe if they
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  Speaker 2: investigate this fully and they start pulling video... surveillance video
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  Speaker 2: because obviously this is a hotel with lots of floors
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of people i'm sure there's surveillance cameras
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  Speaker 2: everywhere and you know those key cards those electronic key
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  Speaker 2: cards that go in and out there has to be
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  Speaker 2: a record of like her coming home so there should
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  Speaker 2: be because we talked about this even with the cruise
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  Speaker 2: ship about how the electronic door you know when we
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  Speaker 2: talk about the cruise ship case anna keppner they had
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  Speaker 2: you know uh they had an exact log of entering
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  Speaker 2: and exiting and whose key card was used and all
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  Speaker 2: those types of things. So it will be interesting to
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  Speaker 2: see if someone else came to the room, if there's
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  Speaker 2: surveillance video.
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  Speaker 1: When did this occur?
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  Speaker 2: August 20th. So just a few days ago. So that's that.
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  Speaker 2: Let's continue to follow that. 24 floors? 24 floors.
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine? No.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think you... This is what I think about.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think about on the way down?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. What do you think about on the way down?
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  Speaker 2: And two, do you die before you hit?
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  Speaker 1: No. There's a lot of people that unfortunately jump off
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  Speaker 1: the Golden Gate Bridge. Yeah. And majority of them obviously die.
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  Speaker 1: But there are people that have survived. A handful. Only
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  Speaker 1: a few, but nonetheless, some people have survived. And each
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  Speaker 1: one of those people that I've watched documentaries on, each
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  Speaker 1: one of those people on the way down, they regret it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They think, oh, crap. Like, I regret this. So then
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  Speaker 1: when they come out of it and they're obviously recovered,
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  Speaker 1: then they tell their story that that's what they felt
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  Speaker 1: on the way down.
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  Speaker 2: But then they hit and they didn't die.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I know, but I'm just saying I would hope that...
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I just like to- Well, it's tragedy nonetheless.
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  Speaker 2: I know it's tragedy. I would like to tell myself
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  Speaker 2: that if I'm ever in a position where you and
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  Speaker 2: I are hiking in Hawaii, because you asked me for
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  Speaker 2: our anniversary to go on a hike close to the edge-
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  Speaker 2: Angel's Landing. Angel's Landing, that- I don't know that something
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  Speaker 2: like I just die before I hit. Like I just,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: All I know is if we ever travel anywhere and
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  Speaker 1: like go hiking, I'm going to have a lot of
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  Speaker 1: alibis and a lot of recording. Yeah. A lot of documentary.
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  Speaker 2: You need, you need to have drone footage of everything
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  Speaker 2: up above just because I could just slip and fall.
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  Speaker 2: I am clumsy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. We need to make sure it's an attended death.
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  Speaker 2: An attended death.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Not an unattended death. Yeah. Let's move on to the
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  Speaker 2: Siders family. Now, if you remember the Siders family, we've
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  Speaker 2: talked about this a couple of times. This is the
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  Speaker 2: House of Horrors in Ohio. There are some updates in
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  Speaker 2: this case. So let's talk about that for a minute
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  Speaker 2: before we move on to Krista Pike. But on June
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  Speaker 2: 30th of 2026, law enforcement arrived at a home in Hamden.
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  Speaker 2: This is just a little background in case, you know,
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  Speaker 2: just to catch everybody up in case you haven't heard
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  Speaker 2: the story. A small rural town in Venton County, Ohio.
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  Speaker 2: They were there to execute a warrant related to a
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  Speaker 2: child sex abuse investigation. Okay, first of all, this is
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  Speaker 2: the update because I don't know if you remember, but
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  Speaker 2: when they talked about they found the 16 children in
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  Speaker 2: that small room and they were all filthy and malnourished
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  Speaker 2: and they didn't go to school and they removed them all,
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  Speaker 2: they said they kept saying they were there on an
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  Speaker 2: unrelated warrant well now we know what the warrant was
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  Speaker 2: for and that's what's finally come out publicly i assumed
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  Speaker 2: because they had also talked about how the the the
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  Speaker 2: father not the grandfather but the father gary siders i
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  Speaker 2: assumed that they had the warrant to arrest him because
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  Speaker 2: he had all those indecent exposure charges remember Oh.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you assume so or that is the case?
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  Speaker 2: No, that was just what I had read and made
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  Speaker 2: the connection that he'd had some indecent exposure, misdemeanor charges. Well,
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  Speaker 2: it's actually, they were investigating a sexual abuse in 2025
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  Speaker 2: of two other men. And during that initial investigation of
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  Speaker 2: these two other men- He was named? He was named
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  Speaker 2: and his wife was named. And so that's what the
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  Speaker 2: warrant was initially for back.
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  Speaker 1: I believe it was- Thank goodness those people- Named them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So inside the home, police found 16 children, all siblings,
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  Speaker 2: ranging in age from approximately 18 months to 18 years,
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  Speaker 2: living in conditions described as almost beyond comprehension. According to investigators,
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  Speaker 2: all 16 are the biological children of Gary Siders Jr.
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  Speaker 2: and Elizabeth Siders, and they were also living in the
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  Speaker 2: home with Gary Siders' parents. The four adults were arrested
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  Speaker 2: that day, pleaded not guilty, and had bail set at $ 300, 000. So,
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  Speaker 2: new details have emerged explaining what prompted the June 30,
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  Speaker 2: 2026 search of their home. Vinton County Prosecutor William Archer
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  Speaker 2: disclosed that the investigation was set in motion after two
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  Speaker 2: Dollar General employees reported concerns to police about children they
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  Speaker 2: had seen and believed may have been suffering abuse. The
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  Speaker 2: case centers on sexual abuse within the family itself and
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  Speaker 2: also implicates two additional relatives. In total, three separate investigations
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  Speaker 2: stemming from the case are currently underway. So, It said,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think the sexual abuse allegations, because there aren't details,
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  Speaker 2: because we're talking about minors, so obviously there's not a
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  Speaker 2: lot of details about this, right? But it said it's
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  Speaker 2: not immediate family, which makes me think they're saying it's
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  Speaker 2: not their actual 16 children that the sexual abuse allegations
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  Speaker 2: are against. However, they call it intrafamilia. So I assume
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  Speaker 2: there's some relation somewhere, just I'm not sure what that is. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: This is the case where it's like, forget the rules,
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  Speaker 1: forget the law. Clearly there's enough crimes here to put
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  Speaker 1: them away forever.
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  Speaker 2: You just want these people to just go.
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  Speaker 1: Right, just put them away and start taking care of
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  Speaker 1: the kids.
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  Speaker 2: Like stop using taxpayer money. Yeah, like what are we
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  Speaker 2: going to do?
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  Speaker 1: List all the charges and investigate everything? I mean, how?
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty apparent. Yeah, but you're an attorney. I know,
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: You have to follow the Constitution and you have to
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  Speaker 2: follow due process. So that's where we're at.
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  Speaker 1: Not for these people.
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  Speaker 2: But that doesn't say that. Anywhere in the Constitution, except
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  Speaker 2: for the Siders family. All right. So we have to
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  Speaker 2: do our due diligence. Lock them up. The two people
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  Speaker 2: that were initially investigated, which led to the warrant, which
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  Speaker 2: led to them finding the 16 children, was Josh Saunders,
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  Speaker 2: who is Gary Sr. and Christina Sider's grandson. He's 23,
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  Speaker 2: and he was indicted on four charges, three counts of rape,
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  Speaker 2: and one count of gross sexual imposition. And then the
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  Speaker 2: other person, this is back in 2025, Brandon Henderson Sr.
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  Speaker 2: is the boyfriend of Josh Saunders' mother.
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  Speaker 1: This is just like a lot of- A hub of criminals.
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  Speaker 2: He's 40, and he was indicted on 21 charges, all
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  Speaker 2: of endangering children, gross sexual imposition, sexual battery, all those things.
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  Speaker 2: Those were the two people that were originally investigated in
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  Speaker 2: Investigation 101. Here's the question, though. What's going on at
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  Speaker 2: the Dollar General that the Dollar General employees are calling
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  Speaker 2: the police that there's some type of abuse going on?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just sad altogether.
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  Speaker 1: I guess you could never commit a felony in the
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  Speaker 1: dollar store. I don't know why I'm thinking that, because
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  Speaker 1: I used to work at Target, and they would steal.
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  Speaker 1: And if they stole over, at that time, it was
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  Speaker 1: over $ 800, it would be a felony. And it didn't
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  Speaker 1: take much to reach $ 800. But the dollar store? Oh, man.
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  Speaker 1: You could never commit a felony there. No. You'd have
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  Speaker 1: to bring in like a..
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  Speaker 2: A dump truck?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like a skid steer. They pick up a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of stuff and drive out. All right.
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  Speaker 2: So then the second, those men were arrested. This is
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  Speaker 2: back on August 21st of 2026. Based upon that investigation
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  Speaker 2: with those two men that are all related into the
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  Speaker 2: Siders family, that's when Gary and Elizabeth Siders, those are
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  Speaker 2: the parents of the 16 children. That's how they got implicated.
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  Speaker 2: And then that's why the warrant was issued back on
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  Speaker 2: June 30th when we first heard about the Ohio House
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  Speaker 2: of Horse.
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  Speaker 1: When they go to jail, they're going to... They're going
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  Speaker 1: to live with better standards in jail than they did
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  Speaker 1: with those, a lot of those kids.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you mean.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they themselves.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you mean they're going to have.
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  Speaker 1: The criminals. The criminals, yeah. Are going to be in
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  Speaker 1: a cell. Right, with three meals a day. Presumably clean
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  Speaker 1: and reasonable. And they're going to be fed and they're
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  Speaker 1: going to get health checkups and everything. And all these
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  Speaker 1: kids never got to have that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I did read. So all the children, I read
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  Speaker 2: that there's... So Ohio, I'm not sure how that works,
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  Speaker 2: but they took money and separated it out for those
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  Speaker 2: 16 kids. So I'm not sure where they are. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know how they disperse them or who's taking care
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  Speaker 2: of them or how they are.
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  Speaker 1: They might be confidential.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it is.
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  Speaker 1: So that way, news reporters, not everyone's knocking on the
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  Speaker 1: doors and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Well, can you imagine? Because some of those kids go
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  Speaker 2: all the way up to their teenagers. Can you imagine
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  Speaker 2: if the media found out where they were or where
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  Speaker 2: they were located? I mean, they would hound them. So
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  Speaker 2: when law enforcement... Executed the search warrant at the Siders house.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: This is on June 30th. And they discovered the 16
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: children living in the house in unsafe conditions. The indictments
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: allege that the children suffered serious physical harm. That's when
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: Gary Siders and Elizabeth Siders and Christina, the grandmother, were
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: indicted on 19 charges each. So each one of them
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: was indicted on 19 charges, two counts of endangering children,
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: 10 counts of endangering children, and seven counts of endangering children.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: And then Gary Sider Sr., the grandfather, was indicted on
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: 16 charges.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: Of endangering children?
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of endangering.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: I'm seeing a theme here.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: Of endangering children. One more thing. I do know that
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: the most recent thing is I believe the defense attorney
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: that's representing Gary and I don't know about Christina. She
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: has a different defense attorney. But I know they're asking
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: for a mental competency test.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, now? Now, yeah. So during the whole time they
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: were living and raising kids and having kids, they never
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: thought that they might have mental issues?
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: Well, they weren't on anyone's radar. But now they're like,
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if I can understand the
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: charges against me. I don't know if I can go
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: to trial. So they're asking for a mental competency test.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: Well, then we can just skip the trial. Again, due.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: Process. All right, let's move on to the bulk of
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: what we were going to talk about today, which is
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: Krista Pike. And it was interesting to me because we
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: decided to talk about the Krista Pike case today. But
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: right after we decided to talk about it and I
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: was researching it and reading about it, I started getting
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: DMs from people saying, hey, you guys should talk about
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: Krista Pike. And I don't know if it was coincidence,
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: just it's an interesting thing to talk about.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Or if it was- Well, it's in the news, isn't it?
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Well, it's come up in the news a little bit
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: because she is set to be executed September 30th, so
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: next month. And so her name has come up in
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: the news. And I think maybe that's what, you know.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: And she's a female.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: She's a female.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: On death row.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: On death row in Tennessee.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Right. All right.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: So let's go back and let's talk about Krista Pike.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: This happened back in January of 1995. A 19-year-old girl
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: walked away from her dormitory on a cold Tennessee night
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: and never came back.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: How old were you in 1995? In January. That's when
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: your birthday is. Yeah. You're turning 19.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: I turned 19. Okay.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Decades ago. Yeah.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: So long ago. All right.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: 95.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, back to 95. What was found the next morning
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: would leave investigators shaken. The brutality of what had been
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: done to Colleen Slimmer wasn't the only disturbing part of
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: the story. What made it truly chilling was who did it,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: how young they were, and what one of them chose
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: to bring back as a souvenir. This is a case
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: about jealousy taken to its darkest possible extreme, about a
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: rivalry so consumed by obsession that it ended in torture
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: and trophies and one of the most shocking courtroom outcomes
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: in American history. Today, we're going to talk about the
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: murder of Colleen Slimmer, the girl who was lured into
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: the dark and the teenager who made sure everyone knew
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: what she had done. All right, so Colleen Slimmer was
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: 19 and Krista Pike was 18. And they were both
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: students at the Knoxville Job Corps Center in Knoxville, Tennessee,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: which was a federally funded vocational training program. You know,
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: I watched kind of, not a documentary, but I found
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: some episodes about Krista Pike. And we were talking about
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: this a little bit earlier. But I'm surprised that one
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: of these big mainstreaming services, you know, like Hulu or
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Netflix or Amazon or something, has not done an in-depth
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: documentary on the Krista Pike case. That's why we're here.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: So anyway, we're here to put it out there. Breaking news.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: We're going to talk about it. It has all the elements.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, she's young. She's like a petite... cute young
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: girl with red curly hair. You wouldn't look at her
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: and think that.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: She could be an evil, evil person. A satanic killer.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: You know, and also again, and we'll get into this
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: more when we talk about it, while I was going
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: through this and researching this case, it comes up again
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: of a nature versus nurture debate. Because I did read
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: a lot about what a horrific childhood that Krista Pike had.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I mean... Physical abuse, sexual..
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: All of the above.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Everything.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: I believe she was raped at a young age. I
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: think her mother was negligent. I don't think she had
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: a father around. I think there was a lot of
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: sexual abuse. I know there was..
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, so it was bad all around.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: It was just bad. I don't deny for one second
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: that she had a horrific childhood.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: That certainly played a part in her career. behavior.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Certainly. But here's always my question that we go back to.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Would Krista Pike still have committed such a heinous crime?
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Was she just innately evil? Or did she develop into
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: that because of what she's gone through?
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll talk about it. The latter. The latter.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: You think she was born a killer? No one is
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: born coming out of the womb with such hate.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: I think people are born... I think some people are
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: born innately evil. You think they're shaped by... So then
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: your argument is totally nurture.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Well, no. Yes. Maybe. No. Yes. But nature is a
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: part of it. But I think you can make anyone...
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: A criminal. You could probably make anyone not a criminal.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I think some people.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Come out of the womb. I think it's a huge impact.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Evil.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I was watching Twins the other day with Schwarzenegger
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: and DeVito. Yes. That's nature versus nurture.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Because you have Schwarzenegger, they're twins, right? Schwarzenegger's like cream
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: of the crop. They took the best parts of everything.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: And then what resulted when they took out all the crap...
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: was Danny DeVito's character.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's awful.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: It is awful.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Poor Danny DeVito.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: But that's the comedy.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Here's my question. How do you pitch that role to
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Danny DeVito?
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Like, what are you like, okay, so this movie's about twins.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but this guy, Danny DeVito, has accepted his character
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: and how he's portrayed and the humor that he can have.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: And for that, he's become somewhat of an A-lister his
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: whole life.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I would agree with that. I was just
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: wondering how you just pitched that role to him. Like,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: you're the twin that.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Got all the crap DNA. How do you pitch any
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: of those roles where it's like, oh, you're the fugly friend? Yeah,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: the fugly friend, right? Anyway, Schwarzenegger, cream of the crop, strong, brilliant, smart, kind,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: grew up on an island, has not a mean bone
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: in his body. DeVito, his character is a crook. He's shady.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: He's a con man. He's a sleazeball. Yeah.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: But that's because did he have a hard life?
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Is that why? I didn't finish the movie yet.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, great. All right. Thank you. So there's no conclusion.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I'll let you know next week.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, perfect. Stay tuned for the rest of that story.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Twins. Twins.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: All right, let's go back to, we're talking about Krista Pike.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: She's in a job core with her. It's Colleen Slimmer
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: is one of her classmates at this job core. Also
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: this job core, this is what I learned in one
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: of the, some of these, um, things I was watching
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: about Krista Pike, the original intent of the job core
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: was just to have, um, kids that didn't want the
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: traditional route of like going to college. And so originally alternative,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: I think it was just to learn job skills. And
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: they said, and originally it worked out really well. And
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: they had like a lot of good kids and they
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: came and they, they were dedicated and they learned job
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: skills and they wanted to go into the market. They
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: learned a trade. Then it started, and then it started
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: to turn because I believe there were a lot of
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: kids that were getting in trouble. And then judges were
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: sending like these kids that were like.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, to Job Corps?
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: To Job Corps that were involved in criminal activity or
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: getting in trouble for drugs or getting in trouble for fighting.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: You like to steal? Go over here to Job Corps
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: and apply for a job.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: They were sending these kids to Job Corps. And so
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: it started to So then a lot of kids that were-
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: They started to taint the crowd at Job Corps. All right.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: So Krista Pike and Colleen Slimmer, who were both at
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Job Corps, were rivals largely because both had had a
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: romantic interest in the same young man. His name was
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Tadaryl Shipp, and he was also a Job Corps student.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Krista viewed Colleen as a threat and harbored an intense
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: obsessive jealousy toward her. So we've got Colleen, who used
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: to date to Daryl. And then you've got Krista, who
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: is his new girlfriend.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Okay. Krista is the new girl.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Krista is the new girlfriend. So you've got to Daryl
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: and Krista who are dating. Colleen used to be his
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: ex-girlfriend or whatever. Then Krista has this intense, horrible, like jealousy,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: obsessive with Colleen. And she talks about it all the time.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: So on January 12th of 1995. Six days before your
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: 19th birthday. Thank you. Krista lured Colleen away from the
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Job Corps campus under the pretense of going to smoke
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: weed at a secluded area behind the University of Tennessee,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: which the campus was nearby. To Daryl and Krista's friend,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Shadola also accompanied them. So you've got Krista Pike.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: You've got Colleen, who is the innocent.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Girl who thinks... Okay, Krista and Colleen.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Well, and you know what makes me sad is Colleen
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: probably thought, I mean, because Krista was always mean to her.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: So she probably thought, oh, this girl's being nice to
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: me now.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Like, I'm going to go hang out with them.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: And make some friends.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Right. And smoke some weed.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: And smoke some weed. But I'm just saying, I can
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: picture her being like, oh, like, I'm feeling.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: These girls, maybe they're going to be nice to me now. Right.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I know. She had high hopes. Right.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: And then to Daryl is the boyfriend of Krista. And
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: then another friend, Shadola. All right, so once the group
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: reached the secluded area, Krista and Tadaryl attacked Colleen in
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: a prolonged and brutal assault. Colleen was beaten with sticks
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: and a chunk of asphalt. Krista then used a box
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: cutter to slash Krista repeatedly and carved a pentagram shape
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: into her chest and head while she was still alive.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: The attack lasted an estimated 30 minutes to an hour.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: I believe what I watched, they said it lasted about
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: 45 minutes.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: What was the cause of death?
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: So the actual cause of death was the blunt force trauma,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: but she was alive for a long time. I believe
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: she was alive for about 45 minutes.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: She ultimately died as a result of blunt force trauma,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: not immediately.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Right. So she was alive during the time they were
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: cutting her and stabbing her and torturing her. In one
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: of the most disturbing details of the case, Krista pocketed
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: a piece of Colleen's skull, which was approximately the size
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: of a quarter, and later showed it off to other
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Job Corps students back at the campus, reportedly bragging about
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: what she had done. I mean, talk about a psychopath.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: I mean..
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: You show people the skull and say, I killed someone? Yeah.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: That's what she did? Yeah. You're not going to get
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: away with crime if you do that.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Well, no, this is how... I mean, this isn't a
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: crime that she was trying to get away with. I mean,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: this is what they left.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: She wanted it known that I killed so-and-so, and so-and-so
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: is not going to have my man, and she's dead now. Right.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not like she was trying to be sneaky.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: They literally signed out of Job Corps all of their
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: names and Colleen's name. Then they signed back in. They
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: went back to Job Corps.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, after the crime?
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: After they murdered her, they went back and signed back in,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: and everybody signed in except for Colleen.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: I mean..
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: This girl isn't even... She's such a psychopath.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Krista's 18, right? Yeah. How old's the other girl?
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know how old Shadola is, but I assume
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: the same. I think they're all 17 and 18.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: They're all adults to be tried as an adult.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: January 13th, 1995. This is the next day. Colleen's body
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: was discovered the following day by a passerby near the
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: University of Tennessee's agricultural campus. She had suffered hundreds of
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: wounds and severe blunt force trauma to the head. Investigators
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: quickly zeroed in on students at the Job Corps Center
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: after witnesses came forward. Well, of course, witnesses are coming forward.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, she went back and bragged about it and
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: showed a piece of her skull. Right. And she showed
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: her best friend. I saw an interview with Krista's best friend.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: She testified against her and might have contacted the police
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: as well. But after... And I feel sorry for this
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: girl because she was best friends with Krista. And the
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: way she described her was that she was just this
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: like tiny little petite redhead, happy go lucky, fun girl
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: that she was best friends with. She knew that she
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: had this insane jealousy with Colleen. She told her, I'm
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: going to go smoke pot with Colleen. And, and she said,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: she saw them leave. Like she said, she said out
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: the window of the job core, like she saw them
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: leave the building, but she, she, Said she feels guilty
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: because at that moment in time, if she would have
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: truly believed that Krista was as evil as she was
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: and that she was going to kill her.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: But she didn't know.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: She didn't know. No. You know, and even I think
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: maybe they had said that Krista had even verbalized like,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: I'm going to kill that girl. But at the end
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: of the day.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: How many times have you told me you're going to
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: kill me? Never.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: If anyone out there wants to take it seriously.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: My point is. Yes. She felt a lot of guilt
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: because she saw in that moment that she could have
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: done something. She could have called someone. She could have said, hey,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: they left and Colleen went with them. I think something's
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: going to happen to her. Anyway, Krista comes back.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: It's like survivor's guilt. Is that kind of it? No.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: It's like I could have done something.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: That's not survivor's guilt. Survivor's guilt is when you survive.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Like you're in a plane crash and everybody dies except you.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Like you're part of the whatever traumatic event it was.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Okay. Well, she just felt guilty then. She felt I
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: could have done something and I didn't. Right. She didn't
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: know to do something either. Right.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Krista Pike, Tadaryl Shipp, and Shadola Peterson were all arrested
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: within days of the murder. From 1995 to 96, this
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: is when they're talking about the investigation and plea deals
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: and all those things, Shadola Peterson pleaded guilty to accessory
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: after the fact, a significantly lesser charge than first-degree murder,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: in exchange for her cooperation and testimony against Krista Pike
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: and Tadaryl Shipp. Because of that plea deal, she receives
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: six years of probation rather than prison time. You know,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: that's such a..
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: That's a huge discrepancy. Right. Six years?
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: A probation. You know, sometimes you take the, what is it,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: the smaller fish to get the... big fish, right? You
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: take a plea deal, you let it go. It's like
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: we talked about Pamela Smart. They wanted Pamela Smart. So
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: the kids that actually committed the murder ended up getting
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: lesser sentences and ended up out of prison at some
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: point even though pamela smart never touched the her husband
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: she's the end for life and.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: They must have known something like that that they didn't
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: have a whole lot on her because she was only
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: present so maybe it would have been a stretch to
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: try to.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: I think it was i think they found it more
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: beneficial to get her to probably testify against the other.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Two although it's you know if she went there knowing
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: the plan was to kill then it's like well that's
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: that's beyond aiding and abetting that's you know, perpetrating.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: So to Daryl ship pleaded guilty to first degree murder
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: and accepted a sentence of life in prison with the
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: possibility of parole after 51 years, he avoided the death penalty.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Krista Pike did not take any kind of plea deal
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: and she chose to go to trial.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Did, uh, is, is he still in jail in prison then? Yeah.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: So he's still in prison. He's eligible for parole, but I,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: I can't do math in my head. So this is,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: this is 1996 and 51 years later would.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Be Well, yeah, you were 20 then and you're 51.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: How old are you now?
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: I'm 50. Stop making me older than I am.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: 30 years.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm saying, I don't know what the year is.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: 51 years from 1996.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's 20 years from now. It's when you're 70.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Now, why do you keep talking about me? Well, I'm
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: just trying to give you a frame of reference. No,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to talk about when to Daryl would be
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: up for parole.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: In 20 years. If he had been in there for
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: 30 years, he's got another 20.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Okay. So 2046, he's eligible for parole.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Give or take.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: So Krista Pike. Eligible does not mean he will be
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: granted parole.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: I know, he's eligible.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Krista Pike chose to go to trial. So in February
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: of 1996, the trial of Krista Pike begins. Her trial
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: took place in Knox County, Tennessee. The prosecution presented overwhelming evidence,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: including eyewitness testimony from Shadola, forensic evidence, and the piece
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: of Colleen's skull that Krista kept as a trophy. You know,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: they brought the actual piece of skull out and passed
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: it around. I mean, the jury..
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: They did that on purpose.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Of course they did that on purpose. They did it
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: on purpose. But I saw an interview with her mom...
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Colleen's mom, the victim's mom. She just, I mean, can
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: you imagine sitting in court?
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it was necessary. I mean, we
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: know the reason, right? Make them feel it, make it
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: seem more real. But was there really a reason that
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: they needed to touch it and feel it? Do they
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: touch the gun when it's a murder weapon? I mean,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: what are they? I've never heard of that. I know
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: that's the reason.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they touched it. Maybe they just
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: presented it and passed it around. They got to see it.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: It was brought out in court. And you could see
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: the fragment.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: And the mom, her mom said, this is Colleen's mom,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: said that it was so fragile. It was like kind
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: of like pieces were falling apart and it was being
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: passed around. I assume that the prosecution did it as sympathy.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, they want the death penalty, right?
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Make it real.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Make it real. Make this woman, make Krista Pike look
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: like the psychopath that she is. Yeah.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Isn't the skull the hardest, the strongest bone in the body, though?
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but she... broke her skull with asphalt
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: yeah i mean can you imagine the force that that
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: i mean she's small too she's a small petite girl.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Well the same amount of force whether you're big or small.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying like yeah but if you're a big
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: dude and you're 300 pounds it's gonna be a lot
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: easier i'm just saying like the amount of force and
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: exertion you have to use to be that small and
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: to break someone's skull and to do.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: It and then not only does it break the skull
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: but then it has to Like come through the flesh.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like you can break bones,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: but they don't pop out.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: No, I know. For her to get a piece of
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: the skull, she has to like dig into her skull
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: and pull a piece out.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Or she had hit her so hard that it popped out.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Krista's defense.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Are we surprised she carved an anarchy sign in her? Yeah.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: She's psycho.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: She claimed to be a satanic. So they pass around
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: the piece of Colleen's skull that Krista kept as a trophy.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Multiple Job Corps students testified that Krista had openly shown
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: off the piece of bone and boasted about the killing.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Krista's defense attempted to argue diminished capacity and portrayed her
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: as a troubled young woman who had suffered severe childhood abuse, neglect,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: and trauma, all of which was largely true. However, the
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: jury was not persuaded to spare her life. I don't know.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: What do you think? You're on the jury. And she
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: did this heinous crime, but then the defense presents that
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: she had this awful childhood.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: And she was raped. It's terrible. It's tough. I can't
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: really judge all that, like to weigh it. But at
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, she has to be put
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: away because she could do it again.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the point. The point to me is I
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: understand and sympathize with someone who has a very, very
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: troubled childhood.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: But someone like that cannot live in a civilized community.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: No, because they could do it again.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Because she has no remorse. She didn't try to hide it.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: She was blatant about it. She wanted her dead. She
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: bragged about it. She bashed her skull in. She kept
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: a piece of her skull. Someone like that cannot go
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: into normal society and function and not be a threat
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: to other people at some point. Right. Krista Pike was
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: convicted of first-degree murder. Jurors deliberated for only about two
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: hours on March 22nd of 1996 before finding Krista Pike
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: guilty of first-degree premeditated murder and conspiracy to commit murder.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: You know, whatever this... show or episode that I watched
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: that had to do with Krista Pike. Uh, I believe
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: they interviewed like a journalist that followed the story and
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: an investigator. And I don't remember exactly who it was,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: but they made a joke and said that the jury
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: deliberated for about two hours, but he even believed that
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: like an hour of that was lunch.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: So it's like, it was just, I.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Mean, they were all, you know, you know, when someone
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: has a little bit of blood on them and you're like,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: explain that one, how did the blood get on you?
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: How did your feet, how did the skull fragment ended
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: up in your pocket? I mean, She's guilty.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The jury sentenced her to death, making her, at
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: age 20, the youngest woman sentenced to death in modern U.S.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: history at the time of her sentencing. She is the
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: only woman on death row in Tennessee.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Ever or just present, currently? Currently.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: So it looks as if the only other woman executed
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: in Tennessee was a woman in 1820, which I don't
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: know what that case is. Now I'm intrigued. Now I
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: want to find out who this other woman in Tennessee
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: was executed. What kind of crime was that one? In 1820.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Krista's execution date is scheduled for September 30th of next month.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: This is why she's come up in the news. And
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: this is why her case is, you know, coming up.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: It's also coming up because she's been trying to, and
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: to me, it looks like To me, it's more of
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: like a stall tactic because her execution date is coming up.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: That her attorneys are arguing that the vein, the lethal injection,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: like she has some blood disorder or something. She suffers
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: from some type of..
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: She gets really grossed out. Yeah.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: It's like she's got some medical issues. So they're trying
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: to argue that that won't work and she needs an
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: alternative method or she needs... They keep saying a central line.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know exactly what that means because I'm not
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: a medical person, but I... Assume instead of maybe going intravenously,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: it's some other way to inject the lethal injection.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: They should just say, we have this method, Ms. Pike,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: or we can bash your skull in.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: And take a piece of your skull and show it
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: to everyone.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: And carve satanic ritual symbols in your body. Right. You choose.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Krista spent the following decades on death row at the
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Riverbend Maximum Security Institution in Nashville, pursuing multiple avenues of appeal.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Her conviction and death sentence were affirmed by the Tennessee
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Supreme Court in 1998. She has filed numerous appeals over
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: the years, arguing ineffective assistance of counsel, constitutional issues with
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: her sentencing and the conditions of her confinement. In 2012,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Tennessee authorities uncovered and dismantled a plot to break Krista
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: out of the Tennessee prison for women, resulting in charges
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: against two men. Let me just talk about this for
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: a second. You know, when I was researching, I came
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: across an article written by a law journal that was basically,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: you know, against the death penalty. And the article was
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: written advocating for her to not die by lethal injection,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: not to be on death row, because she committed these
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: crimes when she was 18. And we all know that
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: now the medical science all states that the brain isn't
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: fully formed until age 24. So she shouldn't be held accountable.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: And she had this terrible childhood. And so I read
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: the whole article. And obviously, they're not proponents of the
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: death penalty. I get it. I understand that position. However,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: they left out key details about her. Well, they keep
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: talking about how this crime occurred when she was 18.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: And so the brain doesn't form until she's 24, all
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: those type of things. They left out the part of
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: like when she was in prison, she tried to murder
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: another prisoner and tried to strangle her.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: When she was over the age of 24?
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, she was in prison.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: So after her brain fully developed, she still tried to
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: kill people?
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. They left that part out. But
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, she's violent. Like we're talking about an evil,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: violent person. So you can't make the argument that she
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: did this crime when she was 18 and she doesn't
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: deserve the death penalty. While she's in prison, she tried
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: to murder another prisoner that she was jealous of because
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: they got in some fight over something. And then she
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: had some plot that she had worked out with two
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: correctional officers. She was also having sex with both correctional officers.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: She got them fired. I'm just saying this woman is. like,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not like she committed this one crime
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: when she was 18 and we should feel badly for her.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about the woman is consistently..
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: So she didn't get her AA or go to school
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: or anything in prison?
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: No, that's what I'm saying. Don't make the argument and
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: then leave out key details about the second murder she
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: tried to commit and the two correctional officers that she
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: manipulated and was having sex with while she was in prison.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Well, wait a minute. Do we know that she manipulated them?
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, those correctional officers shouldn't be having sex with her.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Well, no, I'm not saying they're not.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Don't make it like they're inferior. No, they got fired.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: They got fired. It was Justin Heflin, who was 23.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: He was fired and was indicted on counts, including bribery,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: official misconduct, and conspiracy to commit escape. And another guy,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Donald Kohut, who was 34, who had become acquainted with
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Krista through prison visits and met Heflin there, the other guy,
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: and he was charged with bribery and conspiracy. In addition,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: courts repeatedly denied her motions to vacate her death sentence
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: through all of the 2010s and into the 2020s. Her
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: execution date is set for September 30th, and which would
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: make her the first woman executed in Tennessee in over
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: 200 years. She's last minute. This is all this is
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: why her case has been back in the news because
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: she's been making her legal team has mounted a final
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: challenge to Tennessee's lethal injection protocol. She's had a couple
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: hearings on that challenge and they were held last week.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: A Tennessee court denied a series of challenges brought by
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Krista Pike and her legal team who had sought to
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: block or alter the state's execution process. Her attorneys are
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: arguing that her diagnosis of a blood condition would likely
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: cause her unnecessary... I love that. The argument is that
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: her blood condition, if she dies by lethal injection, it
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: will cause her unnecessary pain.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: It's in suffering.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Well, her soul will remain intact, so that's good.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And which... would cause her unnecessary suffering. The court disagreed,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: finding that her legal team had not adequately demonstrated that claim.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: They also contend that she has documented PTSD and a
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: history of sexual assault. Well, we know that she had
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: a bad childhood and that would make the process of
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: transferring her to Riverbend maximum security prison traumatic and painful
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: in its own right. Listen, here's all I think. I
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: think her legal team is just trying to stall.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Well, clearly, they're doing what they should be doing, which
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: is trying every single..
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Avenue, right? To stay this execution. There's a third argument
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: they made about her veins, which her attorneys describe as
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: small and compromised.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: And then..
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: They keep asking for an alternative execution method. They even
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: propose using a central line or notably death by hanging.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: The court found hanging to be neither feasible nor a
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: meaningful reduction in the risk of pain. I can't imagine
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: that hanging is any less like I would rather die by.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Lethal injection or the guillotine.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: I don't like lethal injection. Don't they just put a
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: cocktail of drugs? Don't you?
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Don't you just kind of, but you know what would
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: be the hard part about that? is they strap you down.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: So you have this feeling.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I can't imagine.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Like you cannot, you know, you have no control.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: And people watch, people get to watch the execution. Like I,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: that is just such a, I mean, It is such
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: a weird thing to think about, right? Like you're just
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: brought to like electric chair or lethal injection. They're put
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: into that chair and they're strapped down.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Because at least lethal injections, like, you know, they just
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: kind of go to sleep. Like that's what you see, right?
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: You don't see much activity.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but the electric chair, that's... Or.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: A firing range. A firing range? No, a firing range. No,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: what's it called?
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Firing squad.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Squad.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Firing squad.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. That's in Utah.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they still do that in Utah. That's crazy.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: It's an option. In Utah, I think you have a choice.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: You know what also I read? Because another one of
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: their arguments is that the medical person who's supposed to
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: be overseeing the lethal injection had been involved in another
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: lethal injection previously in Tennessee not too long ago. I
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: think it was this year. And he had bungled it. Like,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: they tried to lethally inject someone.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: He had one job to do and he messed it up.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it got messed up. It didn't work.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: What does that guy do in between executions?
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but this is my question.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Like, is it just like, is he just like an
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: independent contractor? Or is he like on payroll every, you know?
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know. But then that was one of their
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: arguments was that he had publicly said he was part
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: of the medical team for the Krista Pike execution. So
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: then that was their argument was like, hey, this guy.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Is that qualified?
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: This guy bungled this other execution. Now he's on this team.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: But then, you know, I read and this makes sense
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: that a lot of that they can't they have a
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: hard time. This makes sense to me. They have a
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: hard time getting competent. doctors to perform.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: That that all that all took the Hippocratic oath yes.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: To perform a lethal injection because you you take the
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: oath to do no harm right so to be involved in.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Something be a doctor I mean they're not there to
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: save them I don't know I.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Mean I yeah I mean they could have just they
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: could just find someone you don't.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Have doctors you know in the firing squad I don't
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: know Yeah, I.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Guess in the fifth and final issue that Krista Pike's
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: legal team is arguing is the right to have a
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: clergy member or spiritual advisor present in the execution chamber.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: And it was resolved without a court ruling after both
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: sides reached an agreement on certain accommodations. I don't know
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: what those are, but you know what? Okay, fine. Let
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: her have a clergy member or a priest or whatever.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean..
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Because as a society, we should allow that too. Because
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: if as a whole, in general... there is accepted belief
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: that there's a higher being and this and that, then
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: you shouldn't, you know, we should kind of want to
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: facilitate that.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Okay. Because we were talking about Krista Pike being the
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: only woman in Tennessee on death row. I wanted to just.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Do a little, that's a, that's a high, like male
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: to female ratio on death row. She's got a lot
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: of choices there.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: So I wanted to just talk a little bit about
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: the statistics of other women on death row. So as
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: of mid-2026, you want to guess how many women just
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: nationwide are on death row? Just give me a guess.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: How many?
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: 12. 45. Oh, okay. 45 women. Out of how many
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: on death row? Okay.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: So there's approximately, and obviously, depending on what's going on legally,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: There's around 2,000 men on death row.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's like a rotating door.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm sure there's appeals and process and anything.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: But around approximately 2,000 men currently on death row. 45
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: women on death row across 16 states. So that figure
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: represents just 2% of the total death row population. It's
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: 45 out of 2,000.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Is that because women commit less capital crimes or are
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: they better at getting away with it?
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Well..
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Probably the former.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can do that research. You figure that out.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Which state... I'm going to ask you a question. Which U.S.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: state do you think holds the most women on death row?
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Is there some logic to this?
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Just guess. Which state has the most
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: women on death row?
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know because I don't even know what states
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: do the death penalty other than California and Utah. Oh,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: probably Texas because they have probably a lot of people
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: on death row. Oh, you're close.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Texas is second.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Florida?
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: No, it's California. Oh. So California holds... Right here in
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: our home state? Right here where we live. Yes. So
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: California holds the most..
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Crazy women.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Women on death row.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, I mean on death row. Yeah.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: There's 13 women. Texas comes in second with six women.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Alabama with three. And then the remaining women are spread
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: across states like Arizona, Florida, Ohio. Of course, Ohio is
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: in there. Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Oklahoma, and Tennessee. And the
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: average age of the time of arrest was around 29
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: years old, and the median education level was about 12th
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: grade completion.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I found that interesting. I mean, I
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: never really thought about how many women are on death row.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: So now we know. And our listeners know. There's 45
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: women on death row. They make up about 2% of
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: the death row population. And the biggest state that has
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: the most women on death row is California, followed by Texas.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Which makes sense because of the size.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: So Krista Pike's part of a very elite club.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: She's the most elite in Tennessee. One of 45.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Since 1973, three women have been exonerated after receiving death sentences.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Exonerated.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Exonerated.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: See, death is irreversible. Exonerated. At least when they're in
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: there for 10, 20 years, you can still release them. Yeah.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: So we will continue to follow the Krista Pike case
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: because I'm hoping that she is actually executed on September 30th.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Even though there's so many times we do episodes where
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: I talk about, I'm not a proponent of the death penalty,
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: but that's because we do so many wrongful conviction cases.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: And I've been involved with the innocence project for so
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: long that a lot of times I'm not a proponent
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: of the death penalty, but then you, it's.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Like a little doubt here as to what happened.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: And then you talk about a case like Krista Pike,
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: where it's like, there's, there's no reasonable doubt.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: There's no like who done it. And the prisons aren't
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: safe with her in there either. Cause apparently she's escaping,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: she's killing, she's having sex with everyone.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, she's just, she's just evil. Like some
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: people are just evil and they just don't deserve to
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: walk among us. And that's how I feel about Krista Pike. So,
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: all right. All right. Well, we will see what happens
• 48:54
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