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Navigating AI with Discernment with Dr. Drew Dickens & Screen Wisdom for Family with Arlene Pellicanes · Karl and Crew

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  S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
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  S6: Hey! No, that doesn't get old. I mean, it's old,
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  S6: but it doesn't get old.
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  S2: No, it does not.
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  S7: Of course not.
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  S2: Well, because the truth is just as fresh as it
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  S2: was back then.
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  S6: Well, there you go.
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  S2: Come on.
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  S6: That's all we needed for today. We're going to shut
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  S6: her down now.
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  S7: Shut her down? Yeah, I'm fine with it. Yeah, it's
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  S7: all we needed.
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  S6: Uh, hope rising. We're going to be tackling it all
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  S6: week long by way of every guest that comes in.
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  S6: A lot of times we get these experts in and
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  S6: it can feel like, uh, something else. I've got something else.
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  S6: Ali's gotta change. I'm miss my cue. There something else
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  S6: Ali's got to work on? No, I mean, I'll personalize it.
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  S6: Something else. Carl's got to change. Uh, you can feel
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  S6: that way. Uh, but the hope in it is. Wow.
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  S6: God just put a finger on something, and he's got
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  S6: answers for it. Changes everything, doesn't it, Ali?
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  S4: Yeah. And because the thing is, you can hear if
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  S4: you listen to us often in the course of a week,
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  S4: you might hear eight different guests on eight different topics,
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  S4: and each one you go, oh yes, yes, the prayer. Yes. Fasting. Oh, absolutely.
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  S4: Spiritual disciplines. Yes. AI. Yes. And you go, okay, what
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  S4: do I how do I implement all of these things?
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  S4: But it's only by the power of the Holy Spirit
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  S4: that any change happens in any of us.
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  S6: If I just happen to have a minor prophet who
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  S6: certainly wasn't minor, what a bummer. Those guys are probably
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  S6: thinking Minor prophet. I died for this stuff. You're calling
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  S6: me minor? I lost my head. Thank you very much.
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  S7: Wow.
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  S6: Yeah. Habakkuk's one of those guys call him a minor prophet. Oh, Lord,
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  S6: how long shall I cry for help? And you will
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  S6: not hear? That's his opening part of his letter. Or
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  S6: cry to you. Violence and you will not save. Why
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  S6: do you make me see iniquity? And why do you
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  S6: idly look at wrong. Destruction and violence are before me.
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  S6: Strife and contention arise. So the law is paralyzed. And
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  S6: justice never goes forth. For the wicked surround the righteous.
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  S6: So justice goes forth perverted. I'm sorry for.
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  S7: Encourage you.
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  S2: On this Monday.
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  S3: Morning.
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  S6: I'm sorry for laughing, but I'm telling you, man, you
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  S6: can look, I mean, Habakkuk, you could look at what
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  S6: was going on around him. And I'm working on a
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  S6: project right now. So that's fresh in my heart. But
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  S6: I mean, here's, here's the reality. God doesn't allow us
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  S6: to see things within or without, without giving us this
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  S6: little red thread of redemption, hope that weaves through it.
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  S6: Because by the blood of Jesus and the reality that
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  S6: the tomb is empty, there's constantly hope. Rising. Guys, that
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  S6: is the reality. This hope rising wasn't just yesterday. Come on.
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  S2: No, the the amazing thing about the resurrection story is
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  S2: that we are in that same story right now. Jesus
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  S2: has risen and he hasn't come back yet. We're still waiting,
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  S2: just like the disciples of old were. And so we're
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  S2: in that story. It is a fresh thing. It is
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  S2: not old. It is not dead and gone. It's here.
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  S2: It's right now.
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  S6: So we get a pressure test. This theory and the
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  S6: best way to pressure test it is with a high.
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  S6: I'm in a laughing mood this morning. I see that
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  S6: it's with artificial intelligence. Because if you look at AI.
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  S6: Oh my goodness. You're like, all right, now where's the
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  S6: hope rising in this whole menagerie?
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  S7: You can.
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  S4: Feel intimidating. And that's putting it mildly. Sometimes it feels
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  S4: downright scary.
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  S7: Yeah.
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  S6: Yeah. So the way to pressure test it is Doctor
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  S6: Drew Dickens. Man, I'm glad I ran into this guy.
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  S6: It's been a little over a year ago now. We
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  S6: met him.
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  S4: At the National Religious Broadcasters Convention. That was the first
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  S4: time we had brought him on the show. Yeah, yeah,
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  S4: he's become a regular.
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  S6: Yeah. Where were we? Texas. Right.
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  S4: That was in. Yeah, we were in Dallas.
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  S6: What good thing can come out of Dallas, you might ask?
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  S6: And the answer is, well, we met Doctor Drew Dickens
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  S6: and he turned us on to the upside of AI.
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  S6: Hope is rising. We're tackling it all week long. We're
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  S6: going to be all over the scriptures. It's going to
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  S6: be a great joy. The tomb is empty. Our God
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  S6: is alive. Doctor Drew Dickens getting an update on what's
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  S6: changing in AI and what's the red thread of redemption
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  S6: in it.
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  S1: Romans eight brought her to Jesus while broadcasting traffic overnight.
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  S1: Super Di is in the crew. It's curl and crew.
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  S1: On Moody Radio.
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  S6: It's Carl and crew. Hope is rising. It's risen. Hope
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  S6: is a person. By the way, hope is not a feeling.
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  S6: Hope is Jesus Christ.
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  S7: Because.
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  S4: There is no hope apart from him.
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  S6: Yeah, I mean, hope is not. Look, there's all kinds
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  S6: of hope and we're image bearers. So there's there are
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  S6: hopeful things that come along in life. An interview that
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  S6: goes well and it's like, all right, I got some
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  S6: hope here. But at the end of the day, hope
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  S6: is a person. His name is Jesus. Because all these
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  S6: other things are fleeting little Band-Aids. But Jesus perseveres through
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  S6: it all, and he came to give us new life.
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  S6: And oh, I can't wait. Forecasting here. Can't wait till
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  S6: we get into Romans five one through five. I don't
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  S6: even know when that's going to happen this week, but
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  S6: it's one of the most epic passages on how hope
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  S6: really grows inside you. And it might surprise you what
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  S6: we're going to find there. Oh, Drew Dickens, come on man,
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  S6: we need some hope. So in order to really cultivate hope.
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  S6: Let's get the reality of AI. Give us the big
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  S6: three that we're up against. What's been happening since we
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  S6: last talked. Give us three great AI innovations that we
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  S6: need to know about that might just paralyze us with
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  S6: fear for a moment.
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  S7: Uh.
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  S8: How do we break out of that? Right? Yeah, man,
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  S8: the first thing that really got me excited the last
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  S8: week is a new movie's out. A new documentary called
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  S8: Clever Title. The AI documentary, um, spent a lot of time.
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  S3: Wow.
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  S6: They really thought about that one, didn't they?
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  S8: The best thinkers in the world and thought, how could
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  S8: you know? What do we title this thing? A subtitle to?
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  S8: It is apocalyptic. Um, and it really ends on an
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  S8: optimistic note, which I, which I love. I love this
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  S8: documentary so much. The first time I was the only
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  S8: one in the theater, by the way. Um, second time
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  S8: I went and took notes. So I've seen it twice.
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  S8: It's a great documentary. I would encourage everybody to go
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  S8: out and see it. The producer of it actually found
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  S8: out during the production of the movie that he and
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  S8: his wife were expecting. So it's kind of the theme
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  S8: underneath it all is, is this a good time to
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  S8: have a child? And that's that's one of the questions
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  S8: he keeps asking all these, um, major lab, uh, creators.
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  S8: And so great movie. I would, I would really recommend
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  S8: everybody go out and see it. The second buzz just continues.
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  S8: And you and I have talked about it so often
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  S8: is agentic AI or agents. An agent is something that
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  S8: that works on AI tasks like while you sleep. So it, uh, it,
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  S8: they're autonomous, they go out and do work, uh, on
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  S8: your behalf, if you will, agents, every major lab, um,
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  S8: every language model, GPT, um, all these, uh, Claude, they're
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  S8: all being rebuilt right now around this agent movement on
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  S8: what can, what can it do for me while I'm
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  S8: sleeping essentially is the question. And the third one really
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  S8: exciting to me is Microsoft. Remember that company, a little
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  S8: startup company? Microsoft has been just deathly quiet, uh, through
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  S8: so much of this over the last couple of years,
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  S8: quietly working behind the scenes. Well, they've launched, uh, this week,
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  S8: just a few days ago, three new models, um, out
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  S8: of the blue, it's called m m a I Microsoft,
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  S8: I'm a I, and they've come out with three new
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  S8: products going head to head with OpenAI, with Google, with
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  S8: Claude and, uh, and so I'm really excited to see
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  S8: what they're going to be doing in that innovation. They're
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  S8: doing really incredible work with voice transcription, converting voice to text. Uh,
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  S8: so that's going to be really exciting image generation. Um,
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  S8: but the one that's really, I think kind of kind
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  S8: of freaks me out a bit is voice. Uh, what
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  S8: are they doing to be able to generate human voice? And, uh,
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  S8: so they're really going to be, I think in the
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  S8: next few days, uh, going to be rolling these out, uh,
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  S8: for the general public and, uh, some, some exciting things.
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  S4: Doctor Drew Dickens, our guest. He's a visionary leader, AI expert,
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  S4: A scholar. We've had him on often experiencing peace. Also,
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  S4: the Encounter podcast, The Impact of Generative AI. Just one
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  S4: of his recent podcasts. You know, you. Let's go back
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  S4: to this documentary because you mentioned that the producer of
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  S4: it found out that he was expecting during the making
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  S4: of this film. You know, when you think about the
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  S4: way the direction that things are going in AI, many
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  S4: people view it as everything that's wrong, everything that's going
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  S4: off the rails. So wrestling with this question, do I
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  S4: want to bring a kid into this world that seems
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  S4: so broken with AI? Many people might say, well, no,
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  S4: because AI shows that everything is going off the rails.
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  S4: Is that a, I know you're going to push back
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  S4: a little bit, and that's why I'm asking the question.
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  S4: But why is that not the the correct answer?
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  S8: Well, first off, the world has always been broken. Genesis one.
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  S8: Genesis three. The world's always been broken. So this isn't new. What.
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  S8: What gives me hope in the midst of all this
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  S8: buzz is the incarnation, the resurrection. But the resurrection and
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  S8: the incarnation of Christ is the permanent answer to our
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  S8: concerns about what's broken, whether it's AI, whether it's anything. Um,
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  S8: that's going to be the permanent answer. I was spending
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  S8: some time yesterday in Scripture, uh, around the resurrection. And I,
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  S8: God kept bringing me back to that passage in John
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  S8: and the resurrection story that makes it so much of
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  S8: a human, not what happened in the tomb, but who
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  S8: was there. I love the detail of them running to
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  S8: the tomb. John got there first and and how they responded.
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  S8: But my favorite is that that relational experience encounter between
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  S8: Mary and Jesus when she didn't recognize him at first. Remember?
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  S8: And he turned to her and I just I love
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  S8: the image in my head of him turning to her
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  S8: and just whispering, Mary, go tell my brothers. I love
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  S8: that encounter right there because it brings us back to
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  S8: our humanity. So we get all wrapped up around the
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  S8: fear of AI, and there's plenty to be concerned about.
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  S8: But man, it just comes back to the incarnation, the resurrection.
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  S8: We know how this ends and God wins. None of
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  S8: this is surprising to him. And so I, I find
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  S8: great hope in that.
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  S6: Yeah. There's a lot of things to hope in. Doctor
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  S6: Drew Dickens, our guest right now, coming up here in
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  S6: a moment. Drew's doing deep dives every week of a
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  S6: new resource that he has. And we're constantly wanting to
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  S6: feature these because drew is on the leading edge of AI.
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  S6: What do we need to know? What can we learn
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  S6: and how can we apply it to our life? More
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  S6: with Doctor Drew Dickens straight ahead.
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  S1: Romans eight brought her to Jesus while broadcasting traffic overnight.
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  S1: Super Di is in the crew. It's Carl and crew
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  S1: on Moody Radio.
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  S6: Deception is interesting and lies are interesting because oftentimes, as
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  S6: we find out early in Genesis, a lie is nothing
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  S6: but the truth with a twist at the end. Did
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  S6: God say Satan said to Eve? Did God say. And
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  S6: so the question is, when you hear voices, what's really
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  S6: going on there? Doctor Drew Dickens is our guest, visionary leader,
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  S6: AI expert, and one of our favorites here. All right, drew,
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  S6: what are you working on these days?
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  S8: Well, my big this happened to me last night and
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  S8: it's happened to everybody that's listening right now. Um, more
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  S8: and more we bump into, we see something on, on
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  S8: a newsfeed, on the news in the morning, or we
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  S8: see a post. We start to ask ourselves, wow, is
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  S8: that real? Is that AI? Did that really happen? And
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  S8: it's happening more and more and more. My grandkids are
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  S8: starting to ask that question, is that real? Is that AI?
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  S8: And it took me back to Genesis one. It starts
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  S8: in verse three and it says, God said, and God said,
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  S8: and God said that there will be an expanse. And
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  S8: God said, let there be light. So from the very beginning,
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  S8: we have this word said, um, that is, is, is formative.
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  S8: It's God speaks creation into being. And it really sat
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  S8: with me eight times in Genesis one and two says,
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  S8: God said. But in Genesis three, all of a sudden
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  S8: we see the serpent. And now it's like, Did God say?
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  S8: And so this, this question about, is this real? Is
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  S8: this AI isn't a new question. It's one of the
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  S8: it's one of the it's the first time in all
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  S8: of Scripture where a question is posed is by Satan
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  S8: and it casts doubt. And so that's really where I've been.
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  S8: In fact, you mentioned the podcast that I released. It's
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  S8: titled Did God Say with a question Mark? And it
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  S8: talks about, I'm not going to give it away right now.
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  S8: You got to listen to the podcast because it starts
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  S8: with kind of grabs your attention right off the bat
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  S8: about is something real or not. So you got to
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  S8: listen to that. But is with voice and the power
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  S8: of voice and the power of saying and speaking truth.
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  S8: And well, that's really been where my heart has been
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  S8: lately is how that is becoming eroded with AI. So
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  S8: we need to keep coming back to the word, um,
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  S8: the word made flesh. Um, and that's the hope we've got.
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  S8: That's the resurrection story. That's the incarnational story. That's where
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  S8: we need to hold on to that hope. That's what's real.
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  S4: You know, drew, it's interesting because until recently I felt
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  S4: like when you were reading a news article, I, I
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  S4: didn't really question, is this real? Within the last it's
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  S4: only happened to me probably within the last year or
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  S4: two to where I had that question pop in often.
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  S4: Were we putting too much trust in. I mean, I
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  S4: don't want to go too far with this, but there
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  S4: were some institutions, things that we tended to trust, maybe
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  S4: without a sense of doubt or a sense of, can I,
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  S4: should I trust this? Is there that going on as well?
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  S4: Is maybe some of our doubt and skepticism over what
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  S4: we're hearing and seeing healthy?
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  S8: I think so, and no, you can't take that too
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  S8: far because it really is epistemology. Is that that study
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  S8: of knowledge and where have we gone to in the
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  S8: past for that? Uh, we've gone to the written word,
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  S8: the scripture, the text, uh, we've gone to people that
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  S8: we trust. We've gone to radio station morning shows that
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  S8: we trust. Um, I think AI, because it is so real,
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  S8: it's one of the things that distinguishes AI from other technologies.
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  S8: This isn't just the next iPhone or the next this
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  S8: or the next that. All of a sudden we have
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  S8: something that can talk to us and sound human and
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  S8: they can engage with us. And that that touches an
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  S8: aspect of our soul that's different than just the next
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  S8: piece of technology. And so it's going to become more
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  S8: and more difficult. We need to become more and more discerning.
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  S8: And I think it's a healthy thing to start asking
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  S8: more and more, is this real? Is this really going on?
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  S8: Where can I go to for foundational truth? I don't
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  S8: think we can take that too far right now. Uh,
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  S8: is what is, what's the source of this? And where
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  S8: did this come from and how is it really affecting me?
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  S6: You know, it's interesting because it seems that the solution
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  S6: for generative AI or any kind of language or advice
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  S6: that we're hearing, it was this way around fires. It
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  S6: was this way. When Paul spoke, he even encouraged people,
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  S6: check them out, make sure this is real. And so
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  S6: we do have the authoritative Word of God. And although
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  S6: AI can be scary and who knows if it's Doctor
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  S6: Lutzer speaking or if it's someone who stole his cadence
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  S6: and pace in his voice, we still need to hold
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  S6: that up against the Word of God. Isn't that still
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  S6: our default drew?
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  S8: It really is. And because we have that question posed so,
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  S8: so quickly, so soon in scripture where Satan is asking,
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  S8: Did God really say? I think that sets the tone
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  S8: of Scripture all throughout. Like you said with Paul, all
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  S8: throughout is how does this. We need to be challenged
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  S8: by this and we need to pursue these things in
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  S8: these questions. But again, as I said earlier, we already
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  S8: know the oldest version of these questions and we know
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  S8: how it how it works out. And that's the hope
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  S8: we've got. And so I think again, this is a
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  S8: healthy conversation to get into because AI, AI is only
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  S8: going to become more and more quote unquote, real sounding,
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  S8: real looking. And so I think we need to be
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  S8: more and more discerning every day of, you know, what
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  S8: is the truth? Where can I return to for foundational truth? Um,
• 17:59
  S8: and it is, it is the incarnate God. It is
• 18:03
  S8: the resurrected Christ. It is that truth. But we need
• 18:07
  S8: to be discerning and we need to be careful as
• 18:09
  S8: we navigate through all this.
• 18:10
  S4: From a very practical standpoint, whether it's a news article
• 18:14
  S4: or a video that you see online, how can we
• 18:19
  S4: discern whether or not what we're seeing is, is AI
• 18:23
  S4: or real? I mean, give us some practical help. When
• 18:26
  S4: should we. What are some red flags that we're not
• 18:29
  S4: seeing what we think we're seeing?
• 18:31
  S8: Great question. Easy answer, but hard to implement. And that's
• 18:35
  S8: the embodied community. We are designed. We are created for community.
• 18:39
  S8: It's what the Trinity is. We're designed. We have a
• 18:42
  S8: seat at the table of the community of God with
• 18:45
  S8: the with the father, son and spirit. And so take
• 18:48
  S8: what we encounter with AI, take that back into community.
• 18:52
  S8: I tell people all the time. And if you if
• 18:54
  S8: you get into a conversation with AI that's disturbing or for,
• 18:57
  S8: for that matter, hopeful and encouraging, bring that back to community.
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  S8: Tell your home group about it, tell your pastor about it,
• 19:04
  S8: call somebody and go to coffee with them and talk
• 19:06
  S8: about it. That's what I said. That's the hard part
• 19:09
  S8: because it's becoming easier and easier to isolate ourselves and think,
• 19:13
  S8: you know, I can figure this out on my own
• 19:15
  S8: between me and AI and just go further down that
• 19:18
  S8: rabbit hole. The hard thing is to is to put
• 19:21
  S8: the phone down for a minute. We'll pick the phone
• 19:23
  S8: up and call somebody and say, hey, you know what?
• 19:25
  S8: You and I today for coffee, we need to have
• 19:28
  S8: this conversation. I need to to look you in the
• 19:30
  S8: eye and we need to navigate this. That's, that's how
• 19:33
  S8: we're created. That's how we're designed from the beginning. Uh,
• 19:36
  S8: and so when Eve had that conversation with the serpent
• 19:39
  S8: should have said, hey, Adam just had this weird conversation.
• 19:43
  S8: Let's talk about this. Um, but no, allowed herself to
• 19:47
  S8: be deceived. Um, and so we need to great question.
• 19:51
  S8: The easy answer is community. The hard thing is community
• 19:54
  S8: because we're all messed up. But that's where that, that's
• 19:57
  S8: where the hope is, is, is working with each other
• 20:00
  S8: face to face, eyeball to eyeball, and working through these difficult,
• 20:04
  S8: difficult questions.
• 20:06
  S6: Got another wonderful resource for you, boom crew. This is beautiful.
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• 20:45
  S1: This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
• 20:49
  S6: Hope is not a theory. Hope is not a strategy.
• 20:53
  S6: Hope is a person. His name is Jesus Christ. And
• 20:56
  S6: I just get rocked over the reality that. And I
• 21:00
  S6: think the best vantage point we have is when we
• 21:02
  S6: bring in voice of the martyrs or oh my goodness,
• 21:07
  S6: who are our guests? Lana Silk, her most cherished. Um,
• 21:11
  S6: oh my goodness, we've got so many that we brought
• 21:13
  S6: in here.
• 21:14
  S2: Carla hope.
• 21:15
  S6: Carla hope. Big time man. Carla. Hope it's just awesome.
• 21:20
  S6: I mean, David Nelms with Timothy Initiative, by the way,
• 21:23
  S6: big couple of days next week, guys, I can hardly wait.
• 21:28
  S6: Get your shekels ready. We are going to go make
• 21:31
  S6: disciples all around the globe in ways like you can't
• 21:34
  S6: believe I'm spontaneously combusting ahead of time here. It's going
• 21:38
  S6: to be great. So, uh, it's it's an awesome thing
• 21:44
  S6: when you realize that hope is a person and his
• 21:47
  S6: name is Jesus. It's an awesome thing. And the danger
• 21:54
  S6: is in one of the things that we recognize here
• 21:56
  S6: is with this morning show with Ali said it here
• 22:01
  S6: about an hour ago. We could have like all these
• 22:03
  S6: guests and these guests come in here and they're loaded
• 22:07
  S6: for bear and they're kablooey. They're just firing off shots
• 22:11
  S6: left and right. And guess what? We're getting hit. Oh,
• 22:14
  S6: that needs to change. Oh, that needs to change. or
• 22:17
  S6: shake a shot to the side. Oh, that needs to change.
• 22:20
  S7: Yeah.
• 22:21
  S6: And you can feel like. Wretched man that I am.
• 22:26
  S6: Who will save me from this body of sin and death?
• 22:29
  S6: And if we aren't careful, we will carry this. Um,
• 22:34
  S6: the onus will be on us to get hope and
• 22:38
  S6: change in our life.
• 22:39
  S4: That there's so many things that I need to work on,
• 22:42
  S4: on myself to make myself a better Christian. That is
• 22:46
  S4: not what we want you to take away when you've
• 22:49
  S4: listened to this program.
• 22:50
  S6: Yeah. So we're taking this week and we're doing something
• 22:53
  S6: really different with it. Really intentional. So here's the angle.
• 22:59
  S6: And by the way, we just had Andrew Dickens. And
• 23:01
  S6: if you didn't hear him, boy, you missed it. Like
• 23:05
  S6: missed it. And the and the way to get it
• 23:08
  S6: is to go on our app and then go find
• 23:11
  S6: the show cast and it'll be loaded up by 1030
• 23:14
  S6: because it is killer.
• 23:15
  S2: Yeah, it really is.
• 23:16
  S6: So just text app to our number here 800 555
• 23:20
  S6: 7898 app to 800 555 7898 because it is. I mean,
• 23:26
  S6: we're still getting links porn out the door here. So
• 23:30
  S6: I want you to hear this from drew. It's good stuff.
• 23:32
  S6: But when you think about AI, you're thinking, oh my goodness,
• 23:37
  S6: it's enough to freak you out. But what? But when
• 23:39
  S6: you look at the hope in it. Drew did a
• 23:41
  S6: spectacular job of showing us that all of a sudden, wow,
• 23:46
  S6: there's there's a perspective shift. So with our guests this week,
• 23:50
  S6: we're asking them to do this, give us the hope
• 23:54
  S6: in this thing so that we're not just blown away
• 23:57
  S6: with the stuff that we need to change, but blown
• 24:00
  S6: away with the one who can change it.
• 24:02
  S4: And coming up, we've got a guest who's going to
• 24:04
  S4: stay in that same lane right with us. What's the
• 24:07
  S4: hope rising in the world of parenting and screens and
• 24:12
  S4: happy homes across the country and beyond. Arlene Pellekaan joins us.
• 24:16
  S4: Coming up.
• 24:17
  S1: This is Karl and crew on Moody Radio.
• 24:21
  S6: You know, we're talking Hope rising and you can look
• 24:24
  S6: at family. You can look at kids. You can look
• 24:29
  S6: at marriage. And man, it can steal hope from you
• 24:33
  S6: in a New York second. Right, Ali?
• 24:36
  S7: Yeah.
• 24:36
  S4: Because so often we can look and it's not what
• 24:40
  S4: we had wanted it to be. It's not what we
• 24:42
  S4: had thought it would be.
• 24:43
  S6: Yeah. We dreamed of something better. Something different. Arlene, it
• 24:48
  S6: can zap the hope from us. And that's no joking, right, sister?
• 24:52
  S9: Yes, it can zap the hope from us, that's for sure.
• 24:55
  S9: You're just. When you said that. I thought of all
• 24:57
  S9: the years that we could not have children. And just
• 24:59
  S9: thinking of, like, Lord, when are we going to have children?
• 25:02
  S9: And after having an operation in different things, it's like
• 25:05
  S9: we have children. We have three, you know. So but
• 25:08
  S9: in those moments, it's like, wow, when is this going
• 25:11
  S9: to work?
• 25:11
  S6: Now, before we give a full introduction, you have children.
• 25:14
  S6: But the good thing for you, Arlene, is that you've
• 25:17
  S6: you've got so many resources, so many answers that you've
• 25:20
  S6: never had problems with those children, but you can.
• 25:23
  S7: Ha ha.
• 25:24
  S6: All right. Now we'll give the introduction here.
• 25:27
  S4: Arlene Pelican, our guest speaker, author, host of the Happy
• 25:30
  S4: Home podcast. You know, you had wanted to take us
• 25:34
  S4: to On the Road to Emmaus, which let's do that.
• 25:37
  S9: Yeah. And I will give kudos to the my pastor,
• 25:40
  S9: pastor Josh for this one. But you know, we know
• 25:43
  S9: the story. Jesus is risen. The disciples are leaving Jerusalem
• 25:48
  S9: with their hearts just completely broken, and they're walking down
• 25:52
  S9: the road and they're talking about all these things. And
• 25:55
  S9: Jesus comes and he walks with them, and they don't
• 25:57
  S9: know it's Jesus, which is very funny, right? Like, hey,
• 26:00
  S9: what's going on guys? What's, what's happening? Bros. And so
• 26:04
  S9: they talk about, are you not the only one who
• 26:07
  S9: doesn't know about this? And you know, how many times
• 26:10
  S9: have we said to God, you know, are you the
• 26:12
  S9: only one God who does not see the problems in
• 26:15
  S9: my family? And they say this line, we had hoped
• 26:20
  S9: he would be the one to redeem Israel. And and
• 26:23
  S9: so here their hopes are dashed. They're leaving. And Jesus
• 26:27
  S9: meets them where they are. He's walking with them that
• 26:31
  S9: he you know, the walk probably took 2.5 hours. So
• 26:34
  S9: this is some time he's taking with them and he
• 26:37
  S9: reasons with them. So first their minds, right. He reasons
• 26:41
  S9: with them about Moses in the scriptures. Their their minds
• 26:44
  S9: are engaged, but they still don't see. And it's in
• 26:47
  S9: the moment where he breaks bread, you know, communion language
• 26:51
  S9: that he's going to take the bread, he's going to
• 26:53
  S9: break it, he's going to give it, bless it. He's
• 26:55
  S9: going to give it to them. And in that moment,
• 26:58
  S9: when they recall Jesus's broken body, it's like in that brokenness,
• 27:03
  S9: then they see him and it was like, wait, Wow. When?
• 27:08
  S9: When we sometimes as a family, as a marriage, right?
• 27:11
  S9: You're falling apart with kids, your adult kids, they're so
• 27:15
  S9: far away from God, you don't know what to do.
• 27:17
  S9: And you're not seeing God. You're not feeling God. We
• 27:19
  S9: had hoped that God would have fixed this by now.
• 27:23
  S9: I think in that moment where we see, wow, that
• 27:25
  S9: is Jesus who was broken for me, broken for my
• 27:29
  S9: heart's broken for my family. And when we understand that's
• 27:33
  S9: how much you love us, that's the price you paid
• 27:36
  S9: for us, that hope can still be alive and, and say, wow,
• 27:40
  S9: it's him. And so after that happens, we know all
• 27:43
  S9: of a sudden they're re-energized. Even though it's nighttime, Jesus
• 27:47
  S9: has disappeared. Now they're going to truck it. They're going
• 27:49
  S9: to probably start running back to Jerusalem. And they're going
• 27:53
  S9: to say to the disciples, it's true. Yeah, he is risen.
• 27:57
  S9: It's true. And so if you're in that moment where
• 28:00
  S9: it doesn't feel true to know like, okay, I'm going
• 28:04
  S9: to experience this week, Lord, I'm going to seek you
• 28:06
  S9: and I'm going to see your broken body. I'm going
• 28:08
  S9: to recall that of Easter that you are risen, and
• 28:11
  S9: I'm going to recall that you broke for me, and
• 28:14
  S9: I'm going to come back with that story. It is
• 28:16
  S9: true God's going to help my family. It is true.
• 28:19
  S6: Arlene Pilikian, our guest right now. What a great, great word.
• 28:23
  S6: Because I think there there is I go back to
• 28:28
  S6: my bride and I used to do these marriages, marriage
• 28:30
  S6: conferences called Weekends to Remember.
• 28:32
  S9: Yeah, I remember.
• 28:33
  S6: Yes.
• 28:33
  S9: And I've been on those too.
• 28:35
  S6: They're great. And my bride and I went all around
• 28:38
  S6: the country speaking to these just ballrooms filled with people
• 28:42
  S6: that had hope and expectation. And they came because no marriage.
• 28:47
  S6: If you say you got to figure it out, you
• 28:50
  S6: really need to ask your spouse for some honest feedback
• 28:53
  S6: here because you don't. So there's no one that's got
• 28:56
  S6: it all figured out. And these people were oftentimes broken.
• 28:58
  S6: And here's been our hope for this week. And you
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  S6: just nailed it. The interesting thing here is I told
• 29:04
  S6: Dennis Rainey, I said, we got a lot of great
• 29:06
  S6: truth here. Family life leader extraordinaire. But I said, Dennis,
• 29:11
  S6: if we don't connect these people with the power source,
• 29:14
  S6: which is broken, humble contrition before a holy God, these
• 29:19
  S6: are band aids. These are little man centered strategies. And, Arlene,
• 29:25
  S6: what I love about you is that you give great truth,
• 29:29
  S6: but it's got to be embedded in a heart that's
• 29:32
  S6: bowed low before God, that sees him as the solution
• 29:37
  S6: ultimately for our challenges. Right? Speak to that.
• 29:40
  S9: You know, I'm thinking about social media and the brokenness
• 29:42
  S9: that comes from a kid that's on video games all
• 29:45
  S9: day or on social media all day, right? And you
• 29:47
  S9: think like, where did my child go? You know, so
• 29:49
  S9: many people who say, you know, my kid's 13, my
• 29:52
  S9: kid's 15, where did they go? And, and yes, social
• 29:57
  S9: media and all of those things are meant to be addictive.
• 30:00
  S9: And they, they are. I mean, they've been very successful
• 30:03
  S9: in that way to capture our attention. But underneath that,
• 30:06
  S9: for us to say, wait, do we fear God more?
• 30:09
  S9: Do we fear man more? Because a lot of times
• 30:11
  S9: we as parents will give things right? We'll say, okay, well,
• 30:15
  S9: I don't want you to be unpopular or I don't
• 30:17
  S9: want you to feel left out. And those are valid things.
• 30:20
  S9: But perhaps that greater question is, wait a minute, child
• 30:23
  S9: of mine, if I give this to you, if I
• 30:25
  S9: allow this in your life, what is this going to
• 30:28
  S9: do to your soul? What is this going to do
• 30:30
  S9: to your future life with God, to the hope in
• 30:34
  S9: your heart that exists right now? I mean, talk about
• 30:36
  S9: a hope squasher. You know, spend an hour on social
• 30:40
  S9: media and you'll realize like, oh my goodness, I don't
• 30:42
  S9: look right. I don't have the right things. Nobody likes me. Right?
• 30:46
  S9: That's a hope. Squasher. So that goes back to Lord,
• 30:52
  S9: you know, it's you. You are the one that's important,
• 30:55
  S9: not these things. So I think that fear of man
• 30:58
  S9: or fear of God, um, is a huge thing underneath that.
• 31:01
  S4: Arlene Pelican, our guests right now. Coming up, let's connect
• 31:05
  S4: those two. The the we had hoped when we can
• 31:08
  S4: look at our family or our, our marriages even. And
• 31:11
  S4: then this, this social media, these the battle with screens
• 31:14
  S4: that every parent knows so well. How can we connect
• 31:18
  S4: those two and practical strategies to kind of get back
• 31:22
  S4: that hope that we had for our families more with
• 31:25
  S4: Arlene coming up.
• 31:26
  S1: Helping you take the next step in your walk with Jesus.
• 31:30
  S6: God longs for us today to seek him and ask
• 31:34
  S6: him to move in ways that we never could.
• 31:36
  S1: You're listening to Carl and Cru.
• 31:38
  S4: My kid is on their screen all day long. I
• 31:41
  S4: can't get the phone out of their hand. I can't
• 31:43
  S4: get them to put down the video game.
• 31:46
  S6: This is big, isn't it?
• 31:47
  S4: It's huge. It's huge. I have a 16 year old
• 31:50
  S4: and a 13 year old. These are constant. I don't
• 31:53
  S4: want to use the word battles, but that's probably accurate.
• 31:56
  S4: That's probably accurate to describe what it can sometimes feel
• 32:00
  S4: like when you're trying to set those limits in a
• 32:03
  S4: healthy way. Arlene Pellekaan offers some help for us this morning. Speaker, author,
• 32:07
  S4: host of the Happy Home podcast. He talked a little
• 32:10
  S4: bit about the story, The Road to Emmaus and the
• 32:13
  S4: we had hoped and you know, when many of us
• 32:16
  S4: as parents look at the, the, our children's relationships with
• 32:19
  S4: screens and we had hoped that this would be a
• 32:21
  S4: little bit different. Give us some practical strategies to help
• 32:26
  S4: reclaim some of the time and set some boundaries and
• 32:30
  S4: healthy limits.
• 32:31
  S9: We're going to look at a very strange place for
• 32:33
  S9: some help today, and that is the country of Indonesia.
• 32:37
  S9: So I my family is from Indonesia. I was born
• 32:40
  S9: here in the States, and Indonesia has just passed this
• 32:43
  S9: law that for kids that they cannot create accounts until
• 32:47
  S9: they are 16 years old, not just on social media,
• 32:51
  S9: but on any harmful, addictive platform. Good. So what this
• 32:56
  S9: means is they can look at YouTube, they can look
• 32:59
  S9: at Instagram, they can look at TikTok, but they cannot
• 33:02
  S9: make their own account. And the reason being, obviously, and
• 33:05
  S9: this is where I think we as parents can be like, hello,
• 33:08
  S9: I am going to be like the Ministry of Communication
• 33:11
  S9: and Digital Affairs in my own home. And I am
• 33:15
  S9: going to say, if this thing that you're using has,
• 33:19
  S9: because basically what Indonesia is saying to the tech companies
• 33:21
  S9: is you have to disable your addictive features. And they're
• 33:26
  S9: trying not to say like, it's not content necessarily. It is,
• 33:30
  S9: but it's more like you have to make this system
• 33:34
  S9: more kid friendly or else we're going to penalize you, right? So,
• 33:39
  S9: so things like they can't do the infinite scrolling like
• 33:42
  S9: it needs to end. Um, they, they shouldn't see like counts.
• 33:46
  S9: They should not see content recommendations based on the user
• 33:50
  S9: data so that they're not always being served things. They
• 33:53
  S9: want to protect minors from being found by strangers that
• 33:56
  S9: you could not connect with a stranger. So for, you know,
• 34:00
  S9: and then obviously, you know, violence, sexually pornography, explicit materials
• 34:04
  S9: to block those things. So as a parent, let's say
• 34:07
  S9: I say, you know what child of mine, that's great.
• 34:09
  S9: You want to play a video game, you want to
• 34:11
  S9: do social media. Wonderful. But these are the rules. And
• 34:15
  S9: let's just understand these are to protect you. Like I
• 34:18
  S9: don't want you to be able to find a stranger.
• 34:20
  S9: I don't want a stranger to be able to find you.
• 34:22
  S9: I don't want you to be able to access pornography
• 34:25
  S9: because that's going to really mess up your brain. I
• 34:27
  S9: don't want you to be addicted to this, that all
• 34:29
  S9: of a sudden you can't go out and play with
• 34:31
  S9: your friends anymore because you're sitting here, you know, and
• 34:34
  S9: obviously if you have a young kid, you can, you
• 34:36
  S9: can establish this from the beginning, like, hey, we're going
• 34:39
  S9: to be like Indonesia. And if this, the whole nation
• 34:42
  S9: is going to protect their millions of kids, this way
• 34:45
  S9: I can protect you child of mine. And if you
• 34:47
  S9: have an older kid, then I do think it is
• 34:50
  S9: a talking. You have this conversation of saying, hey, Indonesia's
• 34:54
  S9: doing this. What do you think about this? They don't
• 34:56
  S9: want kids to have to, you know, compare themselves, the
• 34:59
  S9: popularity of themselves against other people. No. No late night notifications,
• 35:05
  S9: no more extreme content, no contact by strangers via messaging.
• 35:10
  S9: What do you think about this? Hey, how can we
• 35:12
  S9: set this up for you? Yeah. I mean, even if
• 35:14
  S9: you're 18, even if you're 18 years old, you know,
• 35:17
  S9: how can we help you get to this point in
• 35:19
  S9: your life? You know? And again, like we've been talking
• 35:22
  S9: about hope rising, you know, pray this in if you've
• 35:25
  S9: got a teenager, I think this is a good step
• 35:27
  S9: in the right direction. A lot of countries are starting
• 35:29
  S9: to wake up.
• 35:30
  S6: This is common sense. Arlene. I mean, it. Here's what's
• 35:33
  S6: here's what's encouraging to me. Schools all around the country
• 35:36
  S6: now are you've got to check cell phones at the door.
• 35:39
  S6: You can't carry them into class, which is just hello.
• 35:42
  S6: This is like no brainer low hanging fruit. So here's
• 35:47
  S6: here's my thought on this one. God never says no
• 35:50
  S6: without a bigger yes. That is my absolute firm contention.
• 35:54
  S6: He never says, you got to say no to that
• 35:57
  S6: without it being inextricably linked to the greater reward that's
• 36:02
  S6: found in him. So I've always said this. Yeah, that
• 36:05
  S6: parenting is hard as it is. We should never respond
• 36:10
  S6: when we say something because I said so. We should
• 36:12
  S6: probably take the time to explain because I said so.
• 36:17
  S6: But here's what's behind my words and how important is
• 36:21
  S6: the bigger. Yes. Arlene.
• 36:23
  S9: Yes, it's so true. You could say because I said
• 36:25
  S9: so if your kid is too. But after that, don't
• 36:28
  S9: do that. That's true. That bigger. Yes of I want
• 36:31
  S9: you child of mine. You know, a girl just said
• 36:34
  S9: this to me about social media. When I'm on social media,
• 36:38
  S9: I'm thinking about what they want me to think about.
• 36:41
  S9: But when I'm not on it, I get to think
• 36:44
  S9: my own thoughts and I get to talk to God,
• 36:47
  S9: and I get to do other things, you know? So
• 36:50
  S9: I was so encouraged by this realization by she was
• 36:53
  S9: probably 16. Of realizing, hey, that bigger. Yes is you
• 36:57
  S9: get to now talk to your creator. You get to
• 37:01
  S9: discover your own gifts and what you're good at and
• 37:04
  S9: what you like and what you are encoded to do
• 37:08
  S9: instead of, oh, I just spend hours on this thing,
• 37:12
  S9: which is molding me into the pattern of this world.
• 37:16
  S9: So the bigger. Yes. Is your child walking in freedom
• 37:21
  S9: from addiction? Walking in purpose of what they are finding out.
• 37:26
  S9: Like what am I here to do on this earth?
• 37:28
  S9: You know, I'm 16 years old. What am I supposed
• 37:30
  S9: to do on this earth? Belonging that they belong with God.
• 37:33
  S9: They belong with you as their family identity as a
• 37:36
  S9: child of God. All of those things are that bigger. Yes.
• 37:39
  S9: That are worth the headaches of being like, okay, we're
• 37:42
  S9: going to have to pull this back a little bit.
• 37:44
  S4: Arlene Pelikan, our guest right now, you know, if we're
• 37:47
  S4: honest with ourselves, though, it's not just the kids.
• 37:50
  S9: Oh, my word, it's so true.
• 37:51
  S4: I mean.
• 37:52
  S9: It's so true.
• 37:53
  S6: Oh, now you take a perfectly good segment. I'm totally joking.
• 37:57
  S6: Natalie's spot.
• 37:58
  S7: On.
• 37:58
  S4: No, I mean, I some I look at my own
• 38:01
  S4: relationship with screens sometimes, and I, and I go, okay,
• 38:04
  S4: I am telling my teenagers this.
• 38:07
  S9: Right? Right.
• 38:08
  S4: But am I modeling? Yeah. Consistently. Phone habits that I
• 38:14
  S4: would want for them. And that's that's something we got
• 38:18
  S4: to talk about too. Right?
• 38:19
  S9: Right. And then we're always coming back and saying, you know,
• 38:22
  S9: child of mine, I'm really sorry. You know, the question is,
• 38:26
  S9: if my child uses technology just like me, would I
• 38:29
  S9: be happy? And in a lot of days, the answer
• 38:32
  S9: for all of us would be like, whoops, you know,
• 38:34
  S9: because the algorithm is just as good as hooking us
• 38:37
  S9: as hooking them. And it might be really good. Like, oh,
• 38:40
  S9: I'm watching sermon after sermon after sermon, honestly, or I'm
• 38:44
  S9: watching like things about social media and harmful addiction and,
• 38:47
  S9: you know, and I'm like, oh, this is so good
• 38:49
  S9: for my work. And then I'm realizing like, wait a minute,
• 38:52
  S9: they have sucked me in this rabbit hole for 20
• 38:54
  S9: minutes that I did not mean to even go down.
• 38:57
  S9: So this is for everyone. So I think that awareness
• 39:01
  S9: and then being able to apologize to your children and
• 39:04
  S9: start again and write that hope rising. And if you know,
• 39:08
  S9: this is like challenges for the whole family. Hey guys,
• 39:11
  S9: let's all get off social media for one week and
• 39:13
  S9: see who cracks first. Hey guys, let's go for a
• 39:16
  S9: YouTube fast, you know, and and do that for two
• 39:18
  S9: weeks and see who cracks first. Just try to make
• 39:21
  S9: this as fun as possible. But the point is, we
• 39:24
  S9: all need help with this. And the reason kids are
• 39:27
  S9: not succeeding is because we as parents are not succeeding
• 39:31
  S9: or we don't even care. We don't even want to try.
• 39:34
  S9: So part of it is we've got to want to
• 39:36
  S9: try again.
• 39:37
  S7: Yeah.
• 39:37
  S6: Beautiful. We've got content for you and it's got a
• 39:42
  S6: few things that are run through it. River runs through it.
• 39:45
  S6: Red thread of redemption runs through it. It all comes
• 39:48
  S6: back to God who is our hope. And don't be discouraged.
• 39:52
  S6: I know you can get kicked in the teeth going, ah,
• 39:56
  S6: how are we going to get around this corner? I'll
• 39:59
  S6: tell you what, at the end of the day, apart
• 40:00
  S6: from God, we can do nothing.
• 40:02
  S7: So true.
• 40:03
  S6: I mean, we can't do anything, right, Ali?
• 40:05
  S4: I mean, that's you're going to hear us say that
• 40:07
  S4: hopefully more than anything else.
• 40:09
  S6: Yeah. But with him. Look out then. These resources that
• 40:12
  S6: we're giving you right now, they become powerful.
• 40:15
  S4: For Arlene Pelican, our guest. Just text happy to (800) 555-7898.
• 40:21
  S4: We mentioned she hosts the Happy Home podcast just text
• 40:25
  S4: happy to 800 555 7898.
• 40:30
  S1: This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
• 40:33
  S6: All right, so I feel like I owe some explanation.
• 40:36
  S6: We're going to get into that. But first let me
• 40:38
  S6: begin with he is risen.
• 40:41
  S3: He is.
• 40:41
  S4: Risen indeed!
• 40:44
  S5: Amen.
• 40:45
  S6: It was right on the edge.
• 40:47
  S4: Of what?
• 40:48
  S6: Of not being strong enough. But it was strong enough.
• 40:50
  S6: It was right there. But it was resolute.
• 40:52
  S4: I felt it get another shot at it.
• 40:55
  S2: That's how I lived through high school.
• 40:57
  S6: He is risen.
• 40:58
  S4: He is risen indeed. Diana, where were you? I was there. Oh,
• 41:04
  S4: I thought we lost our voice.
• 41:05
  S3: No.
• 41:07
  S6: I thought it was just weird. I think your mic
• 41:09
  S6: was off, so we got to try it one more time.
• 41:12
  S6: It was off. Yeah, it was. So we'll try it again.
• 41:14
  S6: Here we go. He is risen.
• 41:16
  S3: He is risen indeed.
• 41:20
  S6: Well, that time we know we had her in there.
• 41:22
  S2: She was in.
• 41:22
  S3: There.
• 41:22
  S6: Because she's.
• 41:24
  S3: She's eyes bugged out.
• 41:25
  S6: Eyes bugged out of her head. And she was going
• 41:28
  S6: for it. She had her hands in the air. That's
• 41:30
  S6: the good thing about Super Di. With that Greek heritage,
• 41:34
  S6: nothing is said without hands moving.
• 41:36
  S3: You know, if I'm talking.
• 41:39
  S6: Well, I mean, traffic. Guys, I'm telling you, I can't
• 41:43
  S6: wait till we get everything digitized. We might have to
• 41:45
  S6: do a special little digital thing on YouTube.
• 41:48
  S2: People can watch.
• 41:49
  S6: It. Super died doing traffic.
• 41:50
  S4: Just just the hand motions. Oh. She describes the different
• 41:54
  S4: expressways where the traffic is building and the hands move.
• 41:57
  S4: You know, it's so great.
• 41:59
  S3: It's like.
• 41:59
  S2: An interpretive.
• 42:00
  S3: Dance. It adds.
• 42:01
  S4: To it. Yeah. Interpreter.
• 42:02
  S6: She's explaining her life story. Even being in the John
• 42:05
  S6: Hancock building. I mean, she's going up to the observatory deck,
• 42:09
  S6: you know, and she's she's up there and then she's
• 42:12
  S6: down on her knees, broken before the Lord, and then
• 42:14
  S6: tears are coming down. Her eyes and hands are coming
• 42:16
  S6: with tears down her eyes.
• 42:17
  S4: A good story needs lots and lots of hand motions.
• 42:21
  S6: We got the hand motions. We got it. He's risen indeed.
• 42:26
  S4: So what's the explanation that you needed to give?
• 42:29
  S3: Yeah.
• 42:30
  S4: That's what you came.
• 42:31
  S2: You said I need to give an explanation.
• 42:32
  S4: But first.
• 42:33
  S2: But first. He's risen.
• 42:34
  S6: Oh, the explanation is up. Um.
• 42:36
  S3: We've changed.
• 42:37
  S6: We're shifting gears here big time, going from showcase, which
• 42:41
  S6: we used to do a lot of. And that was
• 42:43
  S6: a good tool. Yeah. But guys, this is even better.
• 42:48
  S6: And I really mean that. We're not going to we're
• 42:50
  S6: not going to showcase show much anymore. So if you
• 42:54
  S6: love hearing that, that word's going bye bye. And the
• 42:56
  S6: reason is, is we know that 99 percentile of you
• 43:02
  S6: have access to apps. In fact, you can barely do
• 43:06
  S6: banking or anything anymore without apps. I mean, they got
• 43:10
  S6: you they got you by the neck on this one.
• 43:12
  S2: Yeah. There are some banks that are completely digital and
• 43:15
  S2: and you can't walk into a place. You have to
• 43:18
  S2: have an app.
• 43:19
  S6: Yeah. The place I bank, it's in an old school bank.
• 43:24
  S6: So you've got all these cubes lined up and they've
• 43:27
  S6: never kind of dealt with all. I mean, they've got
• 43:29
  S6: like 15 cubicles, but one is open.
• 43:33
  S4: Well that's the funny thing is now the banking experience
• 43:36
  S4: is so much different. I mean, at least for me,
• 43:38
  S4: I feel like when I walk into a bank, which
• 43:40
  S4: doesn't happen often, but they, I kind of get this
• 43:43
  S4: look like you didn't want to do this online.
• 43:46
  S3: Why are you say that? Do you see that there's.
• 43:49
  S4: Like the kiosk there that you can. And I mean,
• 43:52
  S4: and it's, it's loving, but I definitely feel kind of
• 43:54
  S4: the sense of, you know, that there's an easier way to.
• 43:57
  S3: Do this, right?
• 43:57
  S6: Well, they walk up with their iPad in hand.
• 43:59
  S3: How can I help you?
• 44:01
  S2: Yeah. If you're not on the app, they are.
• 44:03
  S3: Yeah.
• 44:04
  S6: Can I help you? And I'm.
• 44:05
  S3: Like.
• 44:06
  S6: You know, first time I said, nah, I can just
• 44:08
  S6: go up here. And she was very kind and said,
• 44:10
  S6: I could probably help you here. Then you don't have
• 44:14
  S6: to be in line. Then I found.
• 44:16
  S3: Out there's a tone.
• 44:17
  S6: No, she was no, she was really cool about it. Okay.
• 44:20
  S6: I mean, the fact is, they got a lot of
• 44:22
  S6: people walking in that are trying to get around the
• 44:24
  S6: technology corner. No doubt about it. So all that to say,
• 44:29
  S6: if you hear Drew Dickens or you hear anything on
• 44:33
  S6: this show and you're like, man, I want to hear
• 44:35
  S6: that again. This app is the one stop shop. And
• 44:38
  S6: here's why. Because it's not about Carl and crew. It's
• 44:41
  S6: about Moody Radio. And there's so much killer content, and
• 44:45
  S6: it's actually easier to get the app loaded up. Then
• 44:48
  S6: you've got it there and you can listen any time.
• 44:51
  S6: 1030 central time we've got our show of the day
• 44:54
  S6: loaded up. We did have someone last week say, hey,
• 44:57
  S6: you told me the show was going to be there.
• 44:59
  S6: It's like two minutes after we got done with the interview.
• 45:01
  S3: And it's like.
• 45:03
  S6: We're fast.
• 45:04
  S3: But we.
• 45:04
  S6: Ain't that.
• 45:05
  S3: Fast. It's like, give.
• 45:06
  S4: Us just like an hour. I promise you it'll be there.
• 45:09
  S4: But I was I was pumped that at 902 that
• 45:11
  S4: they were that central time. Two minutes after we had
• 45:14
  S4: finished the show. They were that excited to hear it again.
• 45:16
  S4: That's awesome. Give us an hour.
• 45:18
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• 45:23
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• 45:27
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• 45:32
  S6: Bang, bang.
• 45:32
  S2: Bang open.
• 45:33
  S6: Tell them about the compass. Tell them about the compass.
• 45:36
  S2: Yeah. So this is iPhone, Android. Whatever you have, it
• 45:38
  S2: looks the same. You open up the app right at
• 45:40
  S2: the bottom. There's three little buttons. The one dead center
• 45:43
  S2: is a compass that says discover. You click on that
• 45:47
  S2: and then it opens up a page that has every
• 45:50
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• 45:53
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• 46:00
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• 46:03
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• 46:06
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• 46:09
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• 46:13
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• 46:16
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• 46:17
  S6: Okay, red alert, red alert. I got a text here
• 46:20
  S6: that is a red alert. Okay, okay, I must be miscommunicating.
• 46:24
  S6: This is the text. Oh, I'm so disappointed to hear
• 46:28
  S6: you're going only to the app. I prefer listening on
• 46:31
  S6: the radio. No no no no no. Does this mean
• 46:33
  S6: we won't be able to listen in the car? On
• 46:36
  S6: my radio? No. I'm so sorry. No, we're going to
• 46:41
  S6: be there.
• 46:41
  S2: We're still here.
• 46:42
  S6: Oh, the sticks are out there. The antennas are there.
• 46:45
  S6: And and terrestrial radio. 95% of you are listening. We're
• 46:51
  S6: giving you the app so that when we're off air
• 46:54
  S6: and wherever you go in the world, you can have us.
• 46:57
  S6: And that's cool. But then you can have all these
• 47:00
  S6: resources as well. Glad we got that one, clarified Ali.
• 47:03
  S4: Oh boy. I'm sorry that we that we panicked you.
• 47:06
  S4: We are not leaving radio.
• 47:08
  S2: It is an extra resource. It's not a replacement resource.
• 47:12
  S3: Yeah. Whew.
• 47:14
  S2: Glad we got that one.
• 47:16
  S3: Yeah.
• 47:17
  S6: In Swedish uffda.
• 47:18
  S3: Oh, that was.
• 47:20
  S6: Close. Erin Flicka or polka? I don't know which one
• 47:25
  S6: you are, but God bless you. Okay, coming up here
• 47:28
  S6: in a moment. Hope, rise and hope is not a
• 47:32
  S6: let's go to the affirmative. Hope is in a person.
• 47:35
  S6: His name is Jesus. And the question is, how does
• 47:38
  S6: hope rise in us? And we're going to break it down.
• 47:41
  S1: He's a sports fanatic with a stat for anything you
• 47:44
  S1: can think of. Young Thunder is in the crew. It's
• 47:48
  S1: Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
• 47:51
  S6: Carl and crew helping you take your next step with Jesus. Uh, guys,
• 47:55
  S6: I gotta tell you. If you're trying to find hope.
• 48:04
  S6: Because we're image bearers and we're made in the image
• 48:07
  S6: of God. And there's great teachings in Scripture that, by
• 48:10
  S6: the way, even very lost people far from God can leverage.
• 48:14
  S6: They can find hope in certain aspects of things. But
• 48:17
  S6: that ultimate hope that's embedded in no matter what comes
• 48:21
  S6: my way, I will make it. It's the hope is
• 48:26
  S6: in a person and his name is Jesus, man. And
• 48:30
  S6: I'm not just flapping my gums here. This. We don't
• 48:34
  S6: celebrate Easter one and done. I mean, this is. Hope
• 48:37
  S6: is rising every day in us, Sally.
• 48:40
  S4: You know, I've been thinking about that. Um, the song lyrics.
• 48:43
  S4: I think it's from. Oh, I gotta find the song.
• 48:46
  S4: But strength for today. And bright.
• 48:49
  S3: Hope for.
• 48:50
  S4: Tomorrow.
• 48:52
  S3: Great is thy faithfulness. Yes. 10,000 beside.
• 48:56
  S4: I've just been thinking about that all morning. As you've
• 48:58
  S4: been talking about how it's this. Hope is an everyday thing.
• 49:01
  S4: That bright hope for tomorrow. There's always a tomorrow.
• 49:05
  S6: Yeah. So the question we gotta ask is, all right.
• 49:09
  S6: If hope is in Jesus and there's hope for tomorrow,
• 49:14
  S6: how does hope rise? So there's multiple ways that you
• 49:18
  S6: can see this. But one is so clear because you. Okay,
• 49:22
  S6: so the Jesus rose from the dead. And is there
• 49:25
  S6: a place in Scripture where we find that same kind
• 49:29
  S6: of analogy where you've got to die, and then everything's
• 49:32
  S6: going to spring up and it's going to bear fruit?
• 49:34
  S6: There is. So let me take you to the context
• 49:37
  S6: of this passage. It's found in John 12. You can't
• 49:39
  S6: tell that I'm excited at all about this, can you? Oh,
• 49:43
  S6: does anyone else love the Word of God?
• 49:44
  S3: Oh, yeah.
• 49:46
  S6: So here's the context. In John 12, uh, Philip gets approached.
• 49:51
  S6: It's at Passover. He gets approached by some Greek guys,
• 49:54
  S6: and these Greek guys come up to Philip and they say, hey, listen,
• 49:58
  S6: can we see Jesus? Now here's what's really cool. These
• 50:02
  S6: are God fearing Greeks who are there for Passover. And
• 50:05
  S6: now they've heard that Jesus is the Messiah. And they're like, hey, like,
• 50:09
  S6: can we get some time with him? And Philip goes,
• 50:12
  S6: Andrew going, hey, we got some Greeks and get some
• 50:14
  S6: time with Jesus. What do you think? He says, I
• 50:16
  S6: don't know, let's go check with Jesus. So they said, hey,
• 50:19
  S6: we got some Greeks out here wanting to get some
• 50:21
  S6: time with you. And Jesus says something fascinating for in. Well,
• 50:29
  S6: at least on 4 or 5 occasions, in John two,
• 50:33
  S6: John four, John seven, John eight, he says, the hour
• 50:36
  S6: has not come for me, but this time he looks
• 50:41
  S6: at them, and he answered them. This he says, the
• 50:44
  S6: hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified.
• 50:46
  S6: Now you might say, oh, great. So you aren't even
• 50:50
  S6: answering the question about the Greeks that are curious. I mean,
• 50:53
  S6: this is why. This is why when you read the Bible,
• 50:56
  S6: you've got to ask it questions. This is inductive Bible study.
• 51:02
  S6: So you got to ask, why didn't he answer the Greeks?
• 51:05
  S6: Why didn't he go talk to him? He did. He
• 51:08
  S6: answered him in a cool way. This is what Jesus said. Truly, truly,
• 51:12
  S6: I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls
• 51:15
  S6: into the earth and dies, it remains alone. But if
• 51:18
  S6: it dies, it bears much fruit now. Okay, so I'm
• 51:22
  S6: just going to camp on that verse here. There's a
• 51:24
  S6: few things you got to know here. Number one, when
• 51:28
  S6: a seed, a kernel of wheat fell to the ground
• 51:31
  S6: and died in this agrarian culture, they got it, man.
• 51:34
  S6: They may not have been in the wheat farming industry,
• 51:36
  S6: but they knew someone who was right.
• 51:39
  S3: I mean, it was.
• 51:39
  S6: It was like someone in the family was working the
• 51:42
  S6: fields this way, so they knew how it went down. Guys,
• 51:45
  S6: you ready for this? I studied it. One grain of
• 51:49
  S6: wheat can produce 500 stocks.
• 51:54
  S2: That's stocks to one grain of wheat.
• 51:56
  S6: That's a fact. So here's the point. Jesus was saying.
• 52:04
  S6: In fact, I hadn't even shared this yet today. This
• 52:06
  S6: is what he was saying. He said, listen, the Greeks
• 52:09
  S6: want it too. They want this salvation. Great. Here's what's
• 52:12
  S6: going to happen. I'm going to have to die. And
• 52:14
  S6: then this thing's going to spread, and it's going to
• 52:15
  S6: go from Judea, Samaria to the uttermost parts of the earth.
• 52:20
  S6: That's what's. That's what he's saying. Isn't this cool how
• 52:23
  S6: Scripture works together?
• 52:24
  S3: Oh, yeah, I mean, I.
• 52:26
  S6: I want to combust. It's just so awesome. But there's
• 52:29
  S6: something else in here. And it's this word that if
• 52:32
  S6: a grain of wheat does not fall to the ground
• 52:34
  S6: and dies, it remains alone. The Greek word is manas,
• 52:37
  S6: and it means to be unknown, to live alone. It's
• 52:42
  S6: the silent scream of the soul. It's not even demonstrative.
• 52:45
  S6: It's not gnashing of teeth. It's not weeping and wailing.
• 52:48
  S6: It's just this sense of is there more I got
• 52:52
  S6: to be known? And Jesus goes on to say, this
• 52:56
  S6: is the way it is with you too. If you
• 52:59
  S6: love your life, lose it. And whoever hates his life
• 53:03
  S6: in this world will keep it. By the way, be
• 53:05
  S6: careful with that. That's Semitic language because you hear that
• 53:08
  S6: and you back up a few chapters in John and
• 53:10
  S6: you find, oh wow, to follow Jesus, you got to
• 53:13
  S6: hate your mom and dad. The word hate in Semitic language.
• 53:17
  S6: It just meant you've got a binary choice. Are you
• 53:19
  S6: going to love this or you're going to love that?
• 53:21
  S6: So it's hate. It wasn't it wasn't the very hate
• 53:24
  S6: Jesus says speaks against. It was a declaration, boy, I've
• 53:29
  S6: got to decide who I'm going to follow here. So
• 53:31
  S6: we got to be careful. Sometimes English words don't translate well.
• 53:35
  S6: This is a classic case in point. So here's what's
• 53:38
  S6: going on. Jesus says it. And by the way, last
• 53:42
  S6: I checked, let me look around here. Aren't we apprentices
• 53:46
  S6: of Jesus? Hold it. Aren't we following Jesus here.
• 53:49
  S3: Last.
• 53:49
  S4: I checked.
• 53:50
  S6: Okay? That's what we're called to do. That's what a
• 53:52
  S6: disciple is the way of Christ was. He went down,
• 53:56
  S6: descended to death, and then rose again. And he says,
• 53:59
  S6: that's the same way it is for you. And so
• 54:01
  S6: we got a simple question for you.
• 54:03
  S4: We're asking you, what is it? Is that God is
• 54:06
  S4: wanting you to die too? What is that thing that
• 54:10
  S4: God wants you to die to today? 805 55 7898.
• 54:16
  S4: You can text us on this one if you'd like.
• 54:18
  S4: If you want to give us a phone call, sure,
• 54:20
  S4: text might be a little easier. (800) 555-7898. What is God
• 54:25
  S4: asking you to die to? 800 555 7898.
• 54:30
  S3: Yeah.
• 54:31
  S6: It's beautiful. Sometimes texting is is a really cathartic thing, right?
• 54:36
  S3: Yeah.
• 54:36
  S4: Just I mean, when you think about it, it's probably
• 54:40
  S4: not too hard to think about at least one thing.
• 54:44
  S3: Yeah.
• 54:45
  S6: I mean, I got one. We all have them. What
• 54:49
  S6: is God calling you to die to so that you
• 54:52
  S6: can live like never before? What is it, 800 555 78. 98.
• 55:00
  S1: You're listening to Carl and Cru on Moody Radio.
• 55:04
  S6: Yeah, man. Okay, I love this. Getting a lot of
• 55:06
  S6: feedback in here. My tendency to try to make everything
• 55:10
  S6: in my family work out well. I need to die
• 55:13
  S6: to self in that area.
• 55:14
  S2: That's a.
• 55:15
  S3: Big one. Oh, come on then.
• 55:16
  S6: That's a universal. Everybody grown together. And we might have
• 55:20
  S6: a tremor here across America.
• 55:22
  S3: Hands up!
• 55:23
  S2: Oh, man.
• 55:24
  S3: Wow.
• 55:25
  S6: All right, what else.
• 55:26
  S3: Do we have?
• 55:26
  S4: Uh, dying to selfish agendas, to TV, to, uh, marriage issues,
• 55:32
  S4: to time wasted. Dying to pride, to disobedience. Just a
• 55:38
  S4: little bit of what's coming in.
• 55:39
  S10: Boy, this is good.
• 55:41
  S6: I mean, this is no joking, guys. This is discipleship.
• 55:47
  S6: This is what I wake up in the morning to
• 55:50
  S6: ask God. Search me, know me, try me. See if
• 55:53
  S6: there'd be any hurtful way in me and lead me
• 55:55
  S6: in the way everlasting. You know what that does? God
• 55:58
  S6: usually gives me something that needs to die. Now, sometimes it's, uh,
• 56:07
  S6: a bigger yes. Some I need to go do. But
• 56:09
  S6: most often it's something that needs to stop happening.
• 56:15
  S4: Okay, so it's usually a subtraction, not addition.
• 56:18
  S3: Ah, yeah.
• 56:19
  S2: I think most of the time it's subtraction, not addition.
• 56:23
  S6: And that's invariably the way it is because we're taking
• 56:27
  S6: off the old man. By the way, that great metaphor
• 56:29
  S6: that Paul uses in Colossians and Ephesians, that taking off
• 56:32
  S6: and putting on. You can't put on the right stuff
• 56:36
  S6: without disrobing the garbage. And that's what God's calling us
• 56:40
  S6: to do.
• 56:40
  S4: A couple more dying to self in the area of pornography.
• 56:45
  S4: Time wasted. You know, the time wasted thing is interesting
• 56:49
  S4: anger that also came in. I think there's so many.
• 56:52
  S4: We're pulled in so many different ways with distractions that
• 56:56
  S4: that is one that comes up so often. It's I
• 56:59
  S4: think it's the subtle idolatry, honestly. Yeah. That creeps in
• 57:05
  S4: that can be almost undetected, but you have this gnawing
• 57:09
  S4: sense of like, man, I don't get the most. I
• 57:13
  S4: don't make the best use of my time. As Scripture
• 57:16
  S4: calls us to.
• 57:17
  S6: Yeah. An unseized time flows to our weakness. Gordon McDonald
• 57:21
  S6: said that many years ago in ordering your private world.
• 57:23
  S6: And here's what's ironic about that. So if you think
• 57:25
  S6: about that unseized time flows to porn flows to, uh,
• 57:31
  S6: what do you call it? Doomscrolling. Right.
• 57:33
  S4: Scrolling. Netflix bingeing.
• 57:35
  S3: Yeah.
• 57:36
  S6: It goes to of eating empty carbs, literally not spiritually
• 57:40
  S6: empty carbs, but I'm talking food where you're like, and
• 57:44
  S6: I do that too. My goodness. One of the reasons
• 57:46
  S6: my wife hid hid some. She hid some organic, um,
• 57:51
  S6: almond butter pretzels from me and and she doesn't hide
• 57:55
  S6: thing anything, but she put it in her own little area,
• 57:58
  S6: which I can see. And I'm like, hey, man, I
• 58:00
  S6: found those. I said, what's that all about? And I'm
• 58:02
  S6: laughing because I knew the answer. And she goes, they're
• 58:05
  S6: designed to be a snack and you make them a meal.
• 58:09
  S2: She's like, I'd like to have some.
• 58:13
  S6: Oh, funny stuff we do. All right, guys. Uh, just
• 58:17
  S6: put it to death and just say, God, just help
• 58:21
  S6: me put this to death. And if you mean it earnestly,
• 58:26
  S6: he is there.
• 58:27
  S1: A basketball mom who's mastered the dad joke? Ali is
• 58:32
  S1: in the crew. It's Karl and crew on Moody Radio.
• 58:36
  S3: There's a cool.
• 58:37
  S6: Little story here. Mark chapter six. Pretty classic 5000 hungry
• 58:42
  S6: followers of Jesus. And as you said, Ali, that's probably
• 58:44
  S6: 10 to 15,000 people, given they were just doing headcounts
• 58:47
  S6: of men back in the day. And they're hungry and
• 58:52
  S6: they realize all the chick fil A's are shut down
• 58:54
  S6: for the night. It's late in the afternoon and they
• 58:57
  S6: got to feed them. And matter of fact, they said
• 59:00
  S6: they speculated, man, it'd be like 200 days wages to
• 59:03
  S6: go out and get groceries for everybody. Jesus said, how many?
• 59:07
  S6: How many loaves of bread and fish do we have here?
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  S6: He said, five loaves of bread and two fish. Imagine
• 59:15
  S6: being on the basket when you start reaching in and
• 59:17
  S6: he says, go feed them. After a while, you don't
• 59:19
  S6: even want to look down because it's like, what in
• 59:21
  S6: the world? What, what in the world?
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  S4: How?
• 59:25
  S6: And I have to believe the baskets miraculously multiplied to
• 59:29
  S6: I have to. In fact, there were so many leftovers,
• 59:33
  S6: it filled 12 baskets. So there were a lot of
• 59:36
  S6: baskets hanging out there.
• 59:37
  S3: Yeah.
• 59:38
  S6: And I don't know if they had to dump it.
• 59:40
  S6: I don't know what. But the provision was so profound.
• 59:45
  S6: And we can look at this story, we can get
• 59:47
  S6: hung up on that. But there's one little verse and
• 59:50
  S6: they all ate and were satisfied. We've all been to
• 59:55
  S6: a big old buffet before and walked away disappointed either
• 59:59
  S6: because we ate too much or didn't taste right. But
• 1:00:04
  S6: what about walking away? Satisfied? The great challenge for the
• 1:00:09
  S6: Western church. Ali and I know you get this 100%,
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  S6: is that we're so fixated on provision that we forget
• 1:00:16
  S6: that the ultimate provision is what we find in verse 42.
• 1:00:20
  S6: Satisfaction found in God.
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S4: I mean, and it's easy. We you hear a lot
• 1:00:25
  S4: about the prosperity gospel and maybe you reject that outright,
• 1:00:29
  S4: at least in theory, but it's easy to slip into
• 1:00:32
  S4: a mentality. I heard a preacher talk about this just
• 1:00:35
  S4: recently that that says, okay, yes, I want God, but
• 1:00:39
  S4: I also want the stuff. I kind of want the
• 1:00:42
  S4: things I want the car and the house. And it's
• 1:00:44
  S4: not bad to want those things. But when we pursue
• 1:00:48
  S4: those things to the exclusion of God Himself, then we've
• 1:00:51
  S4: got a problem.
• 1:00:52
  S6: We do one of the greatest ways to kind of
• 1:00:55
  S6: acid test this thing is you got to go to
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  S6: a people group. You got to go talk with someone
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  S6: who's been around people who don't see the abundance of
• 1:01:05
  S6: provision that we have. It might be a quarter loaf
• 1:01:09
  S6: of bread and a quarter of a fish, but boy,
• 1:01:13
  S6: they've got the satisfaction from God. David, this is real,
• 1:01:17
  S6: isn't it?
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  S11: Yeah, it is. Carl. Natalie. It's, uh. Jesus does provide.
• 1:01:22
  S11: But you know what? Uh, he satisfies to.
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  S4: Doctor David Nelms, our guest right now. He is the
• 1:01:28
  S4: founder of the Timothy initiative, which exists to advance Christ's
• 1:01:32
  S4: kingdom by multiplying disciples and disciple making churches around the world.
• 1:01:37
  S4: You know, a lot has talked about the wealth of
• 1:01:40
  S4: the American church to the point where maybe we get
• 1:01:43
  S4: tired of hearing about it, but it is one of
• 1:01:45
  S4: our greatest blessings, but also one of our greatest challenges. Right?
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  S11: It truly is. Uh, we have so much. I think
• 1:01:53
  S11: we may be the church of Laodicea rich, increased with goods. Uh,
• 1:01:58
  S11: we seem to have need of nothing. And yet, in
• 1:02:01
  S11: many cases, we're just the opposite. And one of the
• 1:02:04
  S11: great blessings of my life is I've been able to
• 1:02:07
  S11: see and meet and spend time with people that literally
• 1:02:10
  S11: have nothing, and yet they are just full of joy,
• 1:02:14
  S11: full of peace. They have Jesus and Jesus. If all
• 1:02:18
  S11: you have is Jesus, that's really all you need.
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  S6: Yeah, I mean, it sounds like a song or a
• 1:02:23
  S6: pithy statement, but it's more than that. Give us a story, David.
• 1:02:27
  S6: Someone that just comes to mind right now that it's like, yeah,
• 1:02:30
  S6: they don't have provision like we have in the West
• 1:02:32
  S6: at all. But boy, they've got satisfaction big time.
• 1:02:35
  S11: Carl, I was thinking about a one of our Timothy's
• 1:02:38
  S11: church planters in, uh, Asian country. I don't want to
• 1:02:41
  S11: mention the specific name for security reasons, but he was married,
• 1:02:46
  S11: and it was a very unpleasant marriage. And he was
• 1:02:51
  S11: a farmer, and he was out in the field working.
• 1:02:55
  S11: There was an accident. It Blinded him and his wife
• 1:03:00
  S11: got upset, left him with, uh. I think they had
• 1:03:04
  S11: 2 or 3 children left. The children too. She ran
• 1:03:07
  S11: off and married someone else. Actually, in another country. And
• 1:03:10
  S11: so he's left a very poor guy. Can't see. He
• 1:03:14
  S11: can't work now. And he's got these kids, and he
• 1:03:18
  S11: tried to commit suicide. And, uh, he failed at that.
• 1:03:23
  S11: And one of our Timothy's came across him, led him
• 1:03:26
  S11: to the Lord. His name was cam. The sorrow left,
• 1:03:29
  S11: the depression left. In fact, now everyone in the village
• 1:03:33
  S11: calls them happy cam. That's what they call them. Happy cam.
• 1:03:36
  S3: Wow.
• 1:03:37
  S11: God is, uh, provided for them because the provision does
• 1:03:40
  S11: come too. God has provided for him. But more than that,
• 1:03:45
  S11: it's just the joy in his heart. Isn't that a
• 1:03:48
  S11: great story?
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S6: It's beautiful.
• 1:03:49
  S4: Phenomenal story. Doctor David Nelms, our guest right now, founder
• 1:03:52
  S4: of the Timothy Initiative. Give us a little bit more
• 1:03:55
  S4: about how the initiative operates. Church planting around the world,
• 1:04:00
  S4: but maybe a little bit different than what we think
• 1:04:02
  S4: about here in terms of church planting.
• 1:04:04
  S11: Yeah, we train indigenous local people in local churches. We
• 1:04:09
  S11: believe the local church is the front lines of ministry,
• 1:04:12
  S11: and we have national leaders who train pastors that we
• 1:04:16
  S11: call the Pauls, who in turn train members that we
• 1:04:18
  S11: call Timothy's to go out and share their story, share
• 1:04:22
  S11: God's story where they live, work, study, shop, play. And
• 1:04:28
  S11: as the Timothy's lead people to Christ, they begin starting churches.
• 1:04:32
  S11: The Timothy disciples, they're Timothy's. We call the Timothy's Timothy Titus.
• 1:04:37
  S11: And it just keeps going. It's a it's a leadership
• 1:04:40
  S11: development pipeline. And God has seen fit to bless it.
• 1:04:43
  S11: The stories are like book of acts. It's just incredible.
• 1:04:47
  S11: We're in 50 countries right now, and this next year
• 1:04:51
  S11: we'll be training a little over 200,000 church planters. So
• 1:04:54
  S11: it's really taken off 200,000.
• 1:04:58
  S6: Okay. Come on. We plant another little church campus from
• 1:05:03
  S6: one mothership campus here, and we think we've really done something.
• 1:05:08
  S6: This is a God thing, though, isn't it? David. And
• 1:05:12
  S6: I ask you this when we bring you on, but
• 1:05:14
  S6: I gotta ask it again. What can we learn here?
• 1:05:16
  S6: What do we need to apply that they've done, that
• 1:05:18
  S6: they're doing right in these tough areas?
• 1:05:21
  S11: Well, you know, Carl, I was taught as a kid
• 1:05:24
  S11: growing up that the book of acts was descriptive. And
• 1:05:28
  S11: it certainly is. I mean, it tells us what happened,
• 1:05:31
  S11: but I've come to believe it's not only descriptive, it's prescriptive.
• 1:05:35
  S11: It also tells us what we're supposed to do.
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  S3: Yes.
• 1:05:38
  S11: And when I read about that early church in the
• 1:05:41
  S11: book of acts, what I see is faith being filled
• 1:05:45
  S11: with the Holy Spirit, uh, intentional evangelism, people being discipled
• 1:05:52
  S11: once they come to Christ church is being started. I
• 1:05:55
  S11: see them focused entirely on honoring God and the Great Commission.
• 1:06:01
  S11: And the Great Commission is making disciples who make disciples.
• 1:06:05
  S11: And so I think somehow we get diverted from that
• 1:06:09
  S11: or distracted from that sometimes. I know I do, and
• 1:06:12
  S11: our focus has got to be not on not on
• 1:06:16
  S11: the size of the crowd, but on making disciples who
• 1:06:19
  S11: make disciples. And when I say that I'm not anti,
• 1:06:22
  S11: I'm one of those guys. If you've got 100 chairs
• 1:06:24
  S11: sitting there, you might as well put somebody in every
• 1:06:26
  S11: one of them. Yeah. If not, don't buy the chair.
• 1:06:29
  S11: So I'm, I'm not opposed to growth by any means.
• 1:06:32
  S11: I think we've been trying to grow though the wrong way.
• 1:06:35
  S11: I think ultimately the best way to grow multiplication Trump's addition.
• 1:06:40
  S11: And so if we can make disciples who make disciples,
• 1:06:42
  S11: who make disciples, I think in the long run we're
• 1:06:45
  S11: going to reach more anyway. But that's, that's what we
• 1:06:47
  S11: need to focus on, I think, more just making disciple makers.
• 1:06:51
  S6: You know, I had a question come to me that
• 1:06:53
  S6: I've never asked you. And it happened this last week
• 1:06:55
  S6: while I was with my bride, and I was just
• 1:06:57
  S6: thinking about this. So I love weekend experiences because I
• 1:07:01
  S6: think it gives us an opportunity to have a church
• 1:07:05
  S6: service set aside one time a week where people go
• 1:07:07
  S6: can bring their friends. That's good, but where we can
• 1:07:10
  S6: enthrall minds with God. And I think that's dynamite. And
• 1:07:14
  S6: I think that it can be I think it can
• 1:07:16
  S6: be a piece of not the whole thing at all,
• 1:07:18
  S6: but a piece of disciple making, I really do. And
• 1:07:21
  S6: I mean that because I think it catalyzes this movement.
• 1:07:26
  S6: There's something about having the largest group that can get
• 1:07:30
  S6: together together when in in your context, it could be
• 1:07:33
  S6: 40 that are coming together from ten different churches under trees.
• 1:07:38
  S6: But are you finding that there is the same kind
• 1:07:42
  S6: of value in the event? I'm sure they don't put
• 1:07:45
  S6: the same kind of effort into it that we do
• 1:07:47
  S6: stateside here, but is there the same kind of value
• 1:07:50
  S6: to get together, to sing and to gather once a
• 1:07:54
  S6: week with the larger body, whatever that may be abroad?
• 1:07:57
  S11: Yeah, absolutely. And I want to say again, I'm not
• 1:08:01
  S11: one of those anti-big church people by any means. In fact,
• 1:08:04
  S11: I've pastored a megachurch years gone by and thank God
• 1:08:08
  S11: for it. I think there's something special about, you know,
• 1:08:12
  S11: remember the old Promise Keeper events? You'd get 50,000 guys
• 1:08:15
  S11: in a stadium singing Holy, holy, holy. My goodness.
• 1:08:19
  S6: I've been there. Power.
• 1:08:20
  S11: Yeah, yeah. There's something about that. Just the dynamic of it.
• 1:08:25
  S11: And it's the same everywhere. And so again, I'm not
• 1:08:28
  S11: I'm not suggesting that we don't try to have big crowds.
• 1:08:31
  S11: They had 3000 on the very first day of the
• 1:08:33
  S11: very first church.
• 1:08:34
  S3: Yeah.
• 1:08:34
  S11: So I don't you know, the story that you started
• 1:08:38
  S11: out with today? Jesus fed 5000. There were at least
• 1:08:41
  S11: 5000 people there. And and to know the crowd, somebody
• 1:08:44
  S11: had to be counting them. Yeah. And so it's not
• 1:08:47
  S11: that big is not bad. Big is not bad. Big
• 1:08:50
  S11: is not good. Big is just big.
• 1:08:52
  S6: And that's a good way.
• 1:08:53
  S11: And yeah, what we've got to focus on I think
• 1:08:56
  S11: is more. I don't think when we get to heaven
• 1:08:58
  S11: it's going to be, hey, you only had a little church,
• 1:09:01
  S11: you're bad or you had a big church. You're good.
• 1:09:03
  S11: I think it's going to be you were obedient. You
• 1:09:05
  S11: were faithful to follow through on the Great Commission. And
• 1:09:08
  S11: for that well done, good and faithful servant. And if
• 1:09:11
  S11: I might add to that, Carl, I don't even think
• 1:09:13
  S11: the main thing is the Great Commission. I think the
• 1:09:15
  S11: main thing is the great commandment. I think if we
• 1:09:18
  S11: love God with all our heart and love people, I
• 1:09:21
  S11: think the Great Commission will just naturally flow out of that.
• 1:09:24
  S11: You can't not love it. Tell people about Jesus when
• 1:09:28
  S11: you're in love with Jesus.
• 1:09:29
  S4: Doctor David Nelms, our guest right now. You know, when
• 1:09:32
  S4: you think about even conversations like this one, it can
• 1:09:34
  S4: you can easily have the takeaway that the American church
• 1:09:38
  S4: not so good, the church around the world in poor
• 1:09:41
  S4: places where they really love Jesus. Well, they're they're nailing
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  S4: it and we're not. And it can.
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  S3: Feel a little.
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  S4: A little discouraging, but we know that God put me here,
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  S4: in this place, in my church, in the context that
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  S4: I'm in for a reason. He didn't make a mistake
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  S4: putting me here and not somewhere else. How do we
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  S4: leverage what we have in the here and now and
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  S4: not feel like somehow it's impossible in our context?
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  S11: Ali. I always remind myself that I'm a product of
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  S11: the American church, as are you guys, and probably the
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  S11: very vast majority of your listeners. And I thank God
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  S11: for I thank God for what we have here. I
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  S11: thank God for what I've learned and the messages I've heard,
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  S11: and the encouragement and the fellowship and the community. It's
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  S11: not that. It's not that the American church is a
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  S11: bad thing, it's that I think we as individuals, sometimes
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  S11: we get distracted from the main thing. Yeah, I remember
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  S11: when I was a kid, I used to hear pastors say,
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  S11: the main thing is to keep the main thing the
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  S11: main thing, but they never told me what the main
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  S11: thing was.
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  S3: And.
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  S11: And I just kind of assumed it was the Great
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  S11: Commission by listening to the rest of their sermon. I
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  S11: don't think that's it. I think the main thing is
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  S11: love God, love people. And, you know, we're talking about
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  S11: satisfaction today. When you fall in love with Jesus Christ,
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  S11: there's just pure satisfaction.
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  S3: Yes.
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  S11: You know, David said, I'll be satisfied when I awake
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  S11: in your likeness and see your likeness. I mean, just
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  S11: being in the presence of Jesus brings satisfaction. And when
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  S11: we gather together as a local body, whether it's here
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  S11: in the States or the other side of the world,
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  S11: when the body comes together, brothers and sisters, and we
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  S11: begin praising him, his presence comes down with our praises.
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  S11: As our praises go up and we are satisfied, he
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  S11: fills our hearts with joy and peace. And as a
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  S11: result of that, we need to leave that place of
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  S11: worship and go out and be busy about our father's business,
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  S11: which is the Great Commission.
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  S6: Amen. David Nelms is our guest right now, and I'm
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  S6: going to give you a link here in a moment, guys.
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  S6: That's going to allow you. Some of you have heard
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  S6: some of the spots here for t I the Timothy initiative.
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  S6: And you know, I called David Boom crew. Just I
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  S6: just one for picking up the phone y set an appointment,
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  S6: just pick.
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  S3: Up the phone.
• 1:12:10
  S6: So I pick a phone call. David Nelms didn't have
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  S6: that weird European ring. So I'm like, oh, good. He's stateside.
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  S6: He picks it up. I said, how are you doing?
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  S6: You got a minute? He said, sure, I'm in West Africa,
• 1:12:20
  S6: but I got him in it. I'm like, okay, man,
• 1:12:23
  S6: so let me pop it to you quickly. I don't
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  S6: know if you remember that call, David, but I asked
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  S6: you one specific question. What is the game changer that
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  S6: is most changing churches outside of the Western world that
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  S6: we could learn from and take away. And you said
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  S6: one word and that was obedience. And I found that intriguing.
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  S6: I want you to drill down on that. Why is
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  S6: that such a game changer?
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  S11: When Jesus gave the Great Commission in Matthew 28, 19
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  S11: and 20, he said, go baptize. And then he said,
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  S11: teach them to obey or observe all that I've commanded you.
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  S11: I had misread that most of my life. I saw
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  S11: the Great Commission is going, baptizing, teaching everything Jesus commanded.
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  S11: But he didn't say, teach everything I commanded. He said,
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  S11: teach them to obey everything I commanded. And it's all
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  S11: the difference in the world. It's James one if you
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  S11: if you know the word, but do not put it
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  S11: into practice. You have deceived yourself. And I think oftentimes
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  S11: we have deceived ourselves into thinking that because we go
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  S11: to church, we hear the word, we can quote it,
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  S11: we can find it in the Bible that that we
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  S11: are somehow, uh, that that's what God wants. But he's
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  S11: very clear there that the Bible was not given for
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  S11: the old line of information, but for inspiration and transformation.
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  S11: That happy cam story I just told Jesus changed his life.
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  S11: He went from wanting to kill himself to being full of,
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  S11: of purpose. And so it comes back to not knowing
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  S11: the word, but actually putting the word into practice. And
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  S11: so it's, we call it obedience based discipleship as opposed
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  S11: to knowledge based discipleship.
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  S3: Boom. Brother.
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  S4: Doctor. David Nelms, we've got a link for you. Uh,
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  S4: text disciple to (800) 555-7898 if you want more on this
• 1:14:17
  S4: great ministry, the Timothy initiative just text disciple to (800) 555-7898.
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  S1: Breaking chains and running free. You're listening to Carl and crew.
• 1:14:30
  S3: Here's the deal.
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  S6: Comes out of Romans eight. We are more than conquerors
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  S6: through him who loves us, nothing can separate us from
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  S6: the love of God. Famine, nakedness, hardship, sword. I mean,
• 1:14:39
  S6: it's a it's a phenomenal passage of Scripture. One of
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  S6: the great dangers here is that we begin to pray
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  S6: for things and ask for that overcoming ness when God
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  S6: is wanting to reveal the deeper thing that needs to
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  S6: be overcome. Let me illustrate it this way so I
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  S6: can pray every morning when I get up and get
• 1:15:08
  S6: on radio. Oh God, help me overcome my tiredness. Oh God,
• 1:15:14
  S6: help me overcome that. And by God's grace and goodness,
• 1:15:17
  S6: he'll do that. But my contention is, if we listen
• 1:15:23
  S6: a little bit closer, we will hear God saying practical
• 1:15:27
  S6: things like, Carl, go to bed earlier. Yeah, Carl, keep
• 1:15:32
  S6: getting your steps in. Karl, keep doing resistance training. All these,
• 1:15:36
  S6: by the way, are proven things that allow us to
• 1:15:39
  S6: sleep better, like go to bed earlier. You generally sleep longer,
• 1:15:44
  S6: you work out a little bit, you generally sleep deeper.
• 1:15:48
  S6: And I think sometimes we need to be careful that
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  S6: we're not keeping going back. Appealing for God's grace to
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  S6: overcome something. When the spirit of the living God is
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  S6: whispering deeper still to something that needs to change inside us.
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  S6: Crawford Lauritzen is here with us. You know where I'm
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  S6: going with that, Crawford. Make sense to you, my brother?
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  S12: Yes, it does makes perfect sense.
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  S6: You've been a pastor for a lot of years. By
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  S6: the way. Crawford, president, founder of Beyond Our Generation. He
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  S6: is an unbelievable man of God. Dear friend, I love
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  S6: this guy. As we disciple people. Crawford. I wonder if
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  S6: we need to not just empathize with people as God
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  S6: does with us. Empathy is awesome, but I wonder if
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  S6: the deeper empathy at times is to go a little
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  S6: bit deeper and say, maybe we have a reoccurring need
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  S6: here of overcoming that. If we go below the surface,
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  S6: we can really see God change some things at our
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  S6: core that we won't maybe as readily hit that hurdle again.
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  S6: Speak to that for a moment. Crawford.
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  S12: Yeah. You know, God's not into image management. He's not,
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  S12: you know, doesn't want to camouflage, uh, the reality that's
• 1:17:05
  S12: in our hearts and lives. He wants us to be
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  S12: transparent and real. And so that means that means getting
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  S12: down to the core and dealing with the stuff that, uh,
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  S12: that can potentially derail us. And so, Carl, you're all
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  S12: over that. I mean, it's the reality of who we
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  S12: are and not staying who we are, but overcoming that,
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  S12: that produces sustainability in our walk in relationship with Jesus.
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  S4: Doctor Crawford is with us right now. How often I
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  S4: know you are involved? Often in leadership, in training, in mentoring.
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  S4: How often do you see this as an issue where
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  S4: someone's bringing to you something, but you can quickly see
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  S4: that the thing that they think that they are praying
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  S4: to try to overcome is not the real issue.
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  S12: Oh, you know, the way you phrase that question is,
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  S12: I mean, it happens all the time. Yeah. In fact,
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  S12: it happens in my own life. Yes. Just like Carl
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  S12: said earlier, you. You know, we're so driven to want
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  S12: to accomplish the task. Or if there's just people pleasing
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  S12: in us, want to put our best foot forward or,
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  S12: or this kind of thing, and all that does is
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  S12: just compound the problem. And I see that constantly in
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  S12: younger leaders who are so impatient about getting the job done,
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  S12: and someone who doesn't want you to know that they're
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  S12: really failing at home, uh, rather than being honest and
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  S12: truthful and facing that. So you can name it and
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  S12: work on it and get over it, they keep pushing
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  S12: it down.
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  S6: Love that. Crawford, give us a story from your life. Uh,
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  S6: peel back whatever you can. At what level of vulnerability.
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  S6: What has God helped you overcome?
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  S12: Well, you know, there's an old line that says we
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  S12: don't live in heaven and pour down here, meaning that
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  S12: we're all working on every single day of our lives.
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  S12: I mean, as you walk in the light, you know,
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  S12: that's the best disinfectant for the stuff that's wrong in
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  S12: your own heart and life. And so, you know, I mean,
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  S12: I think earlier on in my and I could go
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  S12: back early on in my ministry, there was a level
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  S12: of people pleasing that, uh, that made me do things.
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  S12: It didn't make me do things that, that pushed me
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  S12: toward choosing to do things that that probably wasn't for
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  S12: the most noble reason. I didn't want people to think
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  S12: of me as being a failure or that kind of thing. And, uh,
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  S12: you know, I remember one time the Lord just pushed
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  S12: me in a corner and in so many words says,
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  S12: when are you going to get over this? If I'm
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  S12: not good enough for you, then what's good enough? Are
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  S12: you just promoting your success or are you nurturing a
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  S12: reality that is that that will help you to overcome
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  S12: this situation? So, you know, and I that's so slaying
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  S12: people pleasing earlier on in my life and ministry, uh,
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  S12: was was one, uh, oh my goodness, I could, you know, um,
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  S12: and people pleasing is the fear of man and all
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  S12: these other things. I can give you a litany of things.
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  S4: So Doctor Crawford, our guest this morning, uh, give us
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  S4: a little bit of how your journey with the Lord began.
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  S4: I know you had trusted Christ as your Savior and
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  S4: when you were in high school. Give us a little
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  S4: bit of your testimony. We'd love to hear it.
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  S12: Well, I came to Jesus when I was 13.5 years old,
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  S12: and my an older, I had an old, uh, she
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  S12: still is my oldest sister? She's in heaven. But she
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  S12: had a profound impact on me. And it was a
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  S12: small church there in Plainfield, new Jersey, and my pastor
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  S12: was bi vocational, but loved young people, uh, poured into, uh,
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  S12: and uh, even in those early years, I just had a,
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  S12: a hunger for God's word and wanting to see my
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  S12: friends come to know Jesus. And, and that was nurtured. Uh,
• 1:20:47
  S12: those folks in that little church were prayer warriors and
• 1:20:50
  S12: they would pray for me. It just brings tears in
• 1:20:52
  S12: my eyes right now as I think about the love
• 1:20:55
  S12: and prayers of those folks that just, just launched my
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  S12: life in ministry. And, and I, of course, I went
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  S12: on to, uh.
• 1:21:02
  S1: Get to know the team behind the scenes, follow Carl
• 1:21:05
  S1: and crew on Facebook and Instagram.
• 1:21:08
  S13: People saw things in me that I didn't see in myself.
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  S12: Wow. And that's the reason why.
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  S13: You know, here we are, some of these.
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  S12: Places on third base and we act as if we
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  S12: hit a triple, you know? And so Ali, that's been
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  S12: the short story, that's been the story of my life.
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  S12: And that's the reason why I'm doing what I'm doing today.
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  S6: Yeah. And you're doing it well. Crawford is our guest
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  S6: and I. Crawford, here's what I want to go. And I,
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  S6: I wanted to let you shepherd tens of thousands of
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  S6: people here this morning. There's this whole issue of overcoming
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  S6: kind of want to go back to where we began,
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  S6: that oftentimes there's symptoms of a deeper issue. And here's
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  S6: the conviction I have. We have proposed Bible reading. Great.
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  S6: Even though Jesus said Bible application is much better because
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  S6: one's a house built on the rock, the other one's
• 1:22:02
  S6: house built on the sand. We've proposed prayer. Great. But
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  S6: there's a prayer especially David. O God, search me, know me,
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  S6: try me. See if there'd be any hurtful way in
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  S6: me and lead me in the way everlasting. Here's here's
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  S6: my contention when it comes to overcoming. And my heart
• 1:22:20
  S6: aches for people right now that are overcoming myriad of
• 1:22:23
  S6: issues financial challenges, betrayal, relational issues, job loss, um, trying
• 1:22:30
  S6: to prove themselves to people, which is a horrible hamster wheel.
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  S6: What is what goes below Bible reading and prayer that
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  S6: the Pharisees, who had a lot of that did not have,
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  S6: that we must have to have true freedom in our life. Crawford.
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  S12: Well, it is profound brokenness and humility, not as a point,
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  S12: but as a process. Carl. The problem is you can
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  S12: read the Bible until the cows come home and you can,
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  S12: you can sit in small groups and all of that.
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  S12: But if you don't take the mask off, if you
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  S12: don't embrace the reality, overcoming is not a point. It's
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  S12: a process. Overcoming is an ongoing reality where Jesus meets
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  S12: us at our point of Transparency. And you've got to
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  S12: you've got to open the book and not read it
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  S12: for a deliverable or read it to boast and brag
• 1:23:26
  S12: about how much you know, you open the Word of God.
• 1:23:29
  S12: It is a mirror to our souls, and the Spirit
• 1:23:33
  S12: of God is living inside of us. He does not
• 1:23:36
  S12: just want us to disclose what's wrong with us. He
• 1:23:40
  S12: wants to deliver us from what's wrong with us. But
• 1:23:43
  S12: that deliverance cannot take place until I realize that on
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  S12: my best day I ain't good enough. But he is, paradoxically,
• 1:23:52
  S12: my sufficiency.
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  S4: Doctor Crawford, you know, I'm curious how much of the
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  S4: way our church culture is sort of set up, kind
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  S4: of encourages mask wearing in subtle ways that maybe we
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  S4: don't even fully realize. You know, even just like the
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  S4: way we. Oh, you know, the simple way that we
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  S4: greet each other. Most churches have a moment where they say, hey,
• 1:24:13
  S4: get up and say hi to your neighbor, which is.
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  S3: Which is great.
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  S6: But Ali's Ali's meddling early this morning. Crawford.
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  S12: She gets she gets right down to it.
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  S6: Oh, she's meddling.
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  S4: But I mean, in those, you know, a minute and
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  S4: 30s where you turn and you greet five people and
• 1:24:30
  S4: you plaster on a smile and you do the perfunctory.
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  S4: How's it going, brother? Oh, I'm great. Nice to see you.
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  S4: Even a God bless you. Maybe a pat on the shoulder.
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  S4: But how much of the way we've kind of structured
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  S4: things promotes kind of a mask wearing that is to
• 1:24:45
  S4: our detriment, and we don't even fully realize it?
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  S12: Well, there's a short answer to that. The answer is
• 1:24:50
  S12: yes with an exclamation mark.
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  S3: I mean, and how.
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  S4: Do we overcome it.
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  S3: I guess. Yeah, I guess that's the question.
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  S12: Well, you know, here's here's attention. And this is the
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  S12: elephant in the room. Discretion is not dishonesty, right?
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  S3: You're right.
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  S12: Of course, the flip side of this is you can't
• 1:25:10
  S12: keep telling people your deepest struggles and this kind of thing.
• 1:25:14
  S12: Because frankly, you know, you got to ask the question,
• 1:25:18
  S12: what are they going to do with that?
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S12: All right. So that's one side of it. But the
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  S12: other side is that you kind of stop projecting a
• 1:25:27
  S12: perfection that doesn't belong to you. MM. And so somewhere
• 1:25:32
  S12: in the middle is the tension. And I think what
• 1:25:35
  S12: we need to do is, is not just celebrate the struggle,
• 1:25:40
  S12: but talk about the reality of the struggle. Jesus as
• 1:25:43
  S12: as our victory. Yes. And, and we need to create
• 1:25:47
  S12: environments in our churches where we talk about reality. We
• 1:25:51
  S12: talk about our struggles, but we talk about how Jesus
• 1:25:54
  S12: is meeting us there. And that's the way we need
• 1:25:58
  S12: to do things, I think. You know, we can project
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  S12: from a platform because we don't we want people to
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  S12: see that the very perfect side of us and all
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  S12: of that. But everybody knows that's not real. And that's
• 1:26:10
  S12: a tad bit Just disingenuous. So I don't know. It's
• 1:26:13
  S12: capturing that center tension is, I guess, what we need
• 1:26:17
  S12: to be moving toward.
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  S6: Yeah. And I think, Crawford, I want to cheer for you.
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  S6: You've you've modeled that so well. And I just got
• 1:26:24
  S6: to tell you guys, boom crew, I need you to
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  S6: hear something right now. I had the privilege of being
• 1:26:30
  S6: around Crawford once a year, going to Saint Pete Beach
• 1:26:34
  S6: with a bunch of family life Weekend to remember speakers,
• 1:26:38
  S6: and we had some time alone or with a smaller
• 1:26:40
  S6: group of guys. And there is something powerful about a
• 1:26:46
  S6: man that exhibits not posture before man, but a genuine
• 1:26:52
  S6: humility before God. And I want to thank you for
• 1:26:55
  S6: being such a good model of that. Crawford. I mean,
• 1:26:58
  S6: that and and it's humility is not this self-loathing, woe
• 1:27:02
  S6: pitiful me thing. Um, but it's, it's genuine. It's more
• 1:27:05
  S6: than anything else, just crying out and reaffirming for brothers
• 1:27:08
  S6: and sisters. Wow. I need God today. Every day I
• 1:27:11
  S6: need him. And I appreciate to Crawford, because I think
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  S6: a lot of people in the church today feel like
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  S6: the answer for going beyond meet and greet, which can
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  S6: be very surface, is, well, I got to get my
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  S6: stuff out there. But I love what you said because
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  S6: you don't know somebody. You share something with the wrong
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  S6: person today. It'll be hanging out of your back tomorrow.
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  S6: So we got to be careful with that one.
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  S12: Yeah.
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  S6: Crawford, I love you. I feel prompted with something here
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  S6: we don't often do. Would you pray for everyone that's
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  S6: trying to overcome something today as the Spirit of God
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  S6: leads you right now?
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  S12: Yeah, father, the truth of the matter is, Lord, we're
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  S12: all overcoming something.
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  S3: Yes.
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  S12: And, God, I just pray that you'll help us not
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  S12: to magnify the struggle, but to exalt the Lord Jesus
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  S12: who meets us in that struggle. And may we quickly
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  S12: get to you, and may we stop trying to run
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  S12: from you and manage it, and open our hearts and
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  S12: our hands and say, Lord, I place this on the altar.
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  S12: Give me what I need moment by moment to trust
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  S12: you and to place this all in your hands. Father,
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  S12: breathe encouragement. Uh, to to in the hearts and minds
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  S12: of each one of the listeners. If God can raise
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  S12: a dead Jesus, you can handle anything that we're struggling
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  S12: with right now. So Lord Jesus, meet us. We pray,
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  S12: give hope, give confidence, give, give the gift of humility.
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  S12: But more than anything else, help us to know, Lord,
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  S12: that we're already overcomers through our Lord and Savior Jesus.
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  S12: In Jesus name we pray. Amen.
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  S4: Thank you to Crawford Lauritzen, our guest this morning, president
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  S4: and founder of Beyond Our Generation. If you want more
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  S4: from Doctor Lauritz, just text beyond to (800) 555-7898. Just that
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  S4: one word beyond (800) 555-7898.