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Richard Morley - Why the UK Must Rejoin the EU · Gunther Fehlinger Podcast

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So welcome everybody at the Gunter Failing a podcast.
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We are here live now today with a very special guest from the
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United Kingdom. And I'm very honoured to welcome
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Richard Morley, who is the head of the rejoined party of the
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United Kingdom. And that makes me very proud
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because this is my dream. This is my mission, of course,
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to have the United Kingdom back in the European Union, because
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we miss you very much. We need you as a security ally,
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as a provider of wisdom as well in economics.
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And I'm a big fan of the United Kingdom.
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So once I heard about Richard Morley and the Rejoin Party, I
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was so happy that I have this opportunity to interview you.
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Richard, please welcome at the show and please introduce
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yourself. Well, you, you've given my name.
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I'm, I'm Richard Morley. I'm a a former naval officer and
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I was in the theatre for seven years as a director and actor
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and then I needed money. You don't earn any money in the
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in the theatre. So I then went into business and
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became a hotelier and then I became a ski trainer.
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So I've had a very mixed experience and I created and LED
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the Nepal ski team to the Olympics in 2002 and carried on
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that training until 2009. Now I'm trying to retire, but
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I've been invited to head this party in order to spearhead an
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effort at bringing about British consciousness of the need to
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rejoin. You were saying how much Europe
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needs Britain. Well, I think Britain also needs
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Europe as well. So we we both need each other,
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as indeed all nations need each other for a safer future for the
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world. I'm so happy, Sir Richard, that
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you take on this role because it's very important now to have
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more unity. We are facing the aggression of
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Russia in Ukraine. And of course, here you have
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seen how important the United Kingdom is for Europe because
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you're you very much saved Ukraine in the moment and now we
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need you back. And how is your plan of action
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in terms of rejoining? What is your plan?
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What is your action plan? Battle Plan.
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Well, gradually our existence creates an awareness in the
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British public of the need to rejoin.
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And we obviously promote the factors that has LED us to this
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situation, namely the complete failure of Brexit to achieve its
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goals. And the, the, the only way that
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we can get out of this situation, which is a dreadful
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economic mess Britain is now in, is to go back to our closest and
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biggest trading partners in Europe, which helps us
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enormously economically as well as socially.
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And these are economic reasons for rejoining the EU.
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But of course, I'm also trying to make the British public aware
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of the political need to rejoin Europe.
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Because of course, if you are the, the edge of a jungle, as I
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once was about 50 years ago when I was going through the jungles
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of Sumatra, I, I, I tried to March through it myself with my
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partner. But of course we were faced with
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such dangers that the local natives were very keen that we
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shouldn't do it on their own. And so they arranged for a
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native group to, to take us through the jungle and avoid all
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the tigers and the snakes and God knows what was out there.
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And so I, I, I, I learnt from that experience because they
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were quite right. We, we, we wouldn't have been
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able to survive on their own. I learnt from that the need for
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people to work together to achieve a common goal and that
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process of of working together because let's face it, if you
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were on the edge of a jungle you, you would be mad to try to
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go through it yourself. And the world today is a jungle.
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We are faced with metaphoric tigers and snakes all around us,
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and those threats are getting bigger and bigger with each
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passing year. Global warming is a major threat
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to mankind, to the survival of our life on earth.
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And yet we do not work together well enough to face that threat.
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And Britain rejoining Europe is a step in that direction of
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international cooperation, international unity, to work
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together to face the problems of the future.
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And of course, it's not just global warming that we face.
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The problems of mass economic migration are causing problems
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everywhere in the western world. And of course the threat of AI,
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much underrated at the moment. But if you replace human
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functioning with machines, then 11 must ask oneself, what do
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humans do? We can't all be machine
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controllers. There's just too many of us and
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the jobs are not, you know, enough to be able to employ us
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all. What does mankind do if we're
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not actually doing the jobs that we're doing at the moment?
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This sort of threat has got to be addressed internationally,
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globally and Britain as an island being on its own trying
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to deal with these things by itself really is not going to
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benefit. It's not going to benefit the
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British people and it's not going to benefit the world.
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But by stepping forwards and joining Europe and helping to
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make Europe stronger because Europe needs to be stronger to
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face the threats politically around it.
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Europe is sandwiched between 2 great superpowers, China and
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America, and both these superpowers are not working for
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the interests of the Europeans, they're working for the
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interests of themselves. And if we Europeans do not stand
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up for our interests, then we will find our interests being
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basically squashed by the interests of others.
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And that is something that we must all fight together to
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oppose. Richard, one of the big promises
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of Brexit 2016, ten years ago, it's now we can really assess it
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how it was. One of the big promises was that
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the UK will have a special relationship with the United
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States of America and will be much better having deals and
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free trade agreements and all this special relationship with
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the United States. How well is that working out?
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Well, of course it was a lie. From the very beginning, Brexit
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was built on an illusion. Brexit was built on a sequence
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of misinformation, downright distortions in order to persuade
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the British public to vote for it.
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And the people were not voting really for the interests of the
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nation. They were voting for the
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interests of that cleek of people, that cleek of
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businessmen, of self-interest that benefited enormously
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personally from Brexit. And those people persuaded the
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British public through the use of old fashioned nationalism,
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sovereignty, the the need to be sort of independent.
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But you can't be independent in the globalised world.
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You can't be independent of the of the effects of climate change
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and AI. We are all part of the same
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system whether we like it or not.
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And that trick that was done in 2016 was never seen by the
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Remainers as being a serious threat because it appeared
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ludicrous to people that that were Remainers.
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We never thought that the people would actually support this
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lunatic idea, but they did. And that led us into a a
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tremendous problem by a very narrow percentage indeed.
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In fact, so many British people living in Europe were denied the
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chance to vote. They were denied the right to
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vote that had they had that vote, it would have swung it the
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other way. And yet this, you know, micro
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percentage of, of majority changed a constitution.
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Normally you would have a 66% majority required to make such a
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huge change. But no, Britain did it with 51
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1/2. And that change has changed the
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entire history or the, the, the, the, the circumstances of
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Britain so fundamentally that it's caused mayhem, absolute
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mayhem. Small businesses in England are
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being crushed by the bureaucracy that's now involved in selling
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whatever their wares are to their neighbors that they've
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been selling for decades before without problems.
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Now they can't do it. They're not only faced with
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import charges, but they're also faced with a bureaucratic system
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that makes it very, very time consuming and expensive to go
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through that process. Small businesses amount to 60%
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of the British workforce. And yet they are being crushed
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by the economic reality of Brexit.
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And without small businesses, we are left simply in the hands of
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large corporations. And that, you know, is, is is a
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tremendous tragedy because many, many people want to work for
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themselves. They want to have their little
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industry, their little shop or whatever to feel a sense of
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achievement and independence that's been taken away from them
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now. Now they have to either work for
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large corporations, faceless organisations or face the dole
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queues. And that is a tragedy for
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society and that's something which really motivates me to say
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we must go back into Europe to give our small businesses a
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chance to thrive again, as well as all the other factors I think
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which. Which the situation is in 2016,
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it was the big promise, the so-called Singapore on the
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Thames, a kind of economic liberal superpower. the United
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Kingdom will dominate world markets again.
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And it was the promise. And now, 10 years later, where
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is the United Kingdom now? Nowhere, I mean internationally,
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Britain is simply a a voice, but it has no power.
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It has no real power at all. Britain is virtually bankrupt.
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It's it's military standing is nowhere near as great as it was
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when I was in the forces 4050 years ago when we actually had a
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Navy, a proper Navy. We don't have a a proper Navy.
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We have a Coast Guard these days with a couple of carriers
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floating out somewhere in the Far East trying to pose a threat
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to to China. But we are nowhere in Britain.
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And that is something which the British people don't seem to be
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aware of because our politicians create the illusion of of of
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influence, the illusion of power.
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But we don't have any at all. All the trade deals that we've
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done are microscopic by comparison to the trade with
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Europe that we lost. Absolutely microscopic.
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It's not even worth considering the amount of of, of, of trade
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monies that are being exchanged here.
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Britain is losing every day. It's costing us a fortune not to
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be in Europe. And it's also costing Europe a
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considerable amount that Britain isn't a, a contributor to the,
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to the central economy. And also it's not just being
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part of what I would call the old European Union as it stood
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at the time of the Treaty of Rome and the Treaty of the the
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Schengen Agreement later on. No, it's about the future of
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Europe. And the future of Europe lies
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very much in greater integration, in greater
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federalisation, so that Europe can become effectively the
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United States of Europe, even though it may be modelled on the
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Bundeslender concept, that each land in it has a degree of
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autonomy, that we must be coordinated into a power in
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order to survive the future problems that face the world.
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Richard, one of the big issues of Brexit was of course
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migration and there was and of course the refugee crisis which
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Putin has done in Syria, bombing Syria.
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And then so many people ran towards European safety.
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And this was the timing of the referendum in 2016 and very much
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dominating. And there was also a feeling
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that, you know, you have too many Polish plumbers and too
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many Romanians and too many other Europeans.
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And we were very offended by this anti Europeanism because we
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have built a Europe full of Romanians, Polish, Lithuanians,
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Italians. And we like it very much because
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we treat each other as the same and we have all the same rights
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of freedom, of movement, of working services in the European
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Union. But you somehow didn't like us
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anymore. And now you seem have replaced
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us with the Pakistanis. And how well is that working on
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the on the immigration front? Did you really have less new
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people coming or was this promise also not fulfilled?
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Well, of course it was again an illusion.
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The point is that the when the Europeans came to Britain,
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Powers and Bulgarians and Romanians came in in great
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numbers. But their takings, if you like,
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their earnings were very often sent back into their families in
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Europe, which helped their families, which maintained the
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economy of Europe as a whole. Because of course, they were
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basically contributing to the same pot that we were part of.
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So it really they weren't really foreigners in the same way.
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Moreover, they didn't stay indefinitely.
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They very often came for periods of their life, maybe 5-6, seven
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years or something, in order to get that experience, get that
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income to help their families, and then go back to their
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countries, be with their families again, and help develop
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their country and their families further, which is very much in
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the interest of everybody in Europe for them to do that.
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Today, of course, the people that are coming are not
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temporary residents as the Polish workers were, et cetera.
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Then in those days, they're permanent residents.
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And that changes the demographic nature of the country far, far
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more significantly than the, the influx of European immigrants.
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Then of course, if you think of Europeans as being foreigners,
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fellow Europeans as being foreigners, you're denying the
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whole concept of Europe. I don't think of you and my
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Austrian friend here as, as, as a foreigner.
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We're, we're Europeans, we're working together for the benefit
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of our continent, of our union. And, and, and I don't think of,
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of, of Poles or Bulgarians or in, in the other nation in
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Europe as being a foreigner. They're us, they're our
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brothers, they're our cousins. And, and we should all work
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together. It's an old Christian concept,
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you know, Love your neighbor. Yeah, work with your neighbor
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and things will be all right. And I think many of the British
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people, they had property in Spain, they worked in Austria in
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ski hill slopes like you. And you know, it was actually
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very good for both sides to have this freedom.
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And now actually gradually we are trying to do some rapporte
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more again, which towards the status which we had already 10
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years ago in terms of Erasmus student mobility and all these
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normalities which we unfortunately lost.
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Must be terrible for the young people of Britain, terrible that
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young people no longer have that opportunity to go and get
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experience living and working with our neighbors in Europe.
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It's because of course it denies a broadness of education.
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I was saying earlier on how I've done so many different things in
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life, and I think this is a very good thing for people to do, to
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get broad experience, not only in their own country, but in
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other countries as well, in order to expand their language
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skills for a start. But it's not, it's more than
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language, it's about culture. It's about understanding that
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our way of life in our own particular country is only a a
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part of a mosaic. We're only one part of a bigger
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picture. We must never think of ourselves
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as being the central part of a mosaic.
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The whole mosaic is what is what's important.
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And of course, I believe that Europe should become a mosaic of
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a world of union, that we must not have the politics of
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conflict forever and ever. That's a second or first
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Millennium idea. In the third Millennium, we've
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got to overcome the politics of conflict.
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We've got to work together. We've got to work together with
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the BRICS nations. They're not our enemies, they're
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our competitors, and the best way to deal with a competitor is
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to make a deal that we work together for the benefit of both
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sides. War, which is what's going on at
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this moment, is a terrible destructive force.
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It doesn't only kill people. It kills hope.
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It kills ideals, It kills dreams.
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It makes people despair. War is also an environmental
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disaster. At a time when we're faced with
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ever, ever increasing climate change, ever, ever resource
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shortages, we're blowing resources to pieces.
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We are creating an environmental nightmare.
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Why? Because we're not working
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together. Working together is the only way
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to survive not only this century, but most importantly,
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the next century to come. Because unless we do that this
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century, we are faced with an existential threat in the next a
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real existential threat to the survival of the human race and
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the planet. But Richard, we are facing
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already an existential threat in terms of Putin and his terrible
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war against Ukraine and all of us.
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And I wanted to ask you in terms of Brexit, because there is more
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and more discovery now about the massive Russian disinformation
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and financial engagement into the Brexit campaign in 2016.
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We have now much more information also this Epstein
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files discovery about these various meetings with Bannon.
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And it's always Brexit mentioned.
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So there's always a question how much was really the Russian
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interference into the Brexit campaign?
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What's your assessment? And of course, it's just Putin's
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interest. So it seems to be logically that
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he was very active in that year. What you're saying is quite
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possibly true. We have no concrete information,
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though, to have academic certainty of precisely what has
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happened in the in the case of Russian involvement in Brexit.
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But I'm not going to deny the great possibility that this was
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the case. But one thing I wanted to say
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here was we must not confuse nations with the regimes that
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run them. The Russian people are human
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beings, just like the rest of us.
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They are, they are also European and we must never think of
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Russia as being an enemy. Maybe the people that are
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running it, maybe. Of course, yes, they can be self
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interested people that are trying to manipulate their
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people for their own advantage. In the same way as I've said
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that the people who were running Britain at the time have
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manipulated our country, Britain into their own advantage.
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The the people as what is what's important.
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And the people of Russia and Belarus and all these other
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nations that we think of as being on the other side, we
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should try to embrace and involve with allies.
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Remember that Putin came to Berlin, I think it was in 2001,
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and made great moves towards the suggestion that Russia should
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eventually become part of the EU.
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He was turned away. And that I think was a mistake
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because Putin at the beginning wanted to be part of the
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international system. And by turning him away we have
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made him into our enemy. And that was it's never good to
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have enemies, you know? Which of the Austrian and German
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political elites we very much embraced Putin and many of them
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have ended up on the payroll of Putin so much like.
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So we really did as much as appeasement as we could.
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But it turned out he's a genocidal maniac and now we had
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this four years of war and it's ongoing and we need the United
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Kingdom as the key security provider because you still
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you're a bit critical about your situation of your Navy.
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But when they going get stuff, the British can be relied upon
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and you are still the best army and the best Navy in the
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European continent. And we thank you very much for
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saving Ukraine and hours of need.
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And as much as I don't like Boris Johnson for his Brexit
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disaster, he definitely was very useful and very helpful in 2022.
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And so he's also has his merits. But I wanted to ask you, do you
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also support Ukraine's membership in the European
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Union? Yes, I, I support not only
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Ukraine coming into the to the European Union, but I would also
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welcome Belarus and Russia. And I would go further.
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I would support Canada joining the European Union.
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The European Union is a concept. It's a concept of unity.
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Is is what I want to see. All human beings working
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together for the benefit of the whole and not thinking of
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ourselves as being independent, sovereign islands, always
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working for us first, make America great again.
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We shouldn't be thinking of making any nation great.
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We should be thinking of making the world safe.
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And by making the world safe, we're making it great.
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And that, to me, is much more important than any nation.
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So Canada and the UK, Norway possible, Iceland is now
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discussing. So we will be a very big
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European Union with the Western Balkans, maybe more than 40
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countries in the European Union if the UK returns and we would
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have a role in the world actually then.
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Exactly. And eventually, we might become
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so big that we can invite America to join the European
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Union. Mr. Trump would explode.
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No, beyond some humor, I wanted to ask you now, what's your
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vision for the United Kingdom? Because there was of course, in
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the period of the 40 years you were from 73 to 2020, it was the
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membership and you were in some aspects you were not fully in
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the European Union, like for example Schengen, like for
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example, the euro, most important, the common currency.
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What's your vision as rejoin party?
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Do you want to come fully back as a United Kingdom also to a up
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the euro and join Schengen? What's your perspective here?
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Absolutely, absolutely. We should have far greater
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membership than what we had before.
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We are Europeans. And yes, I believe in a single
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currency. I believe in freedom of movement
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of goods and people across the entire block.
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And this principle is fundamental to group membership
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because no member should have special privileges, you know,
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whereby, oh, we're British. So consequently we shouldn't be,
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you know, like handled in the same way as other people.
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I don't agree with that. The most important aspect of
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being part of Europe is to be involved in its fundamental
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reform. Because I'm sure you will
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appreciate that the European Union does need reform.
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It's current structures are outdated, they are overly
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bureaucratic and they are also tending towards an undemocratic,
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shall we say, a governorship. Democracy is extremely
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important, but of course the way to achieve that has to be
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measured. You cannot simply have a
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situation whereby a nation like Bulgaria, for example, has the
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same voice as a nation like Germany or France because A, the
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population differences, B, the economic, shall we say, the
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economic differences between these countries.
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And there are now moves, as you well know, inside Europe of
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creating a sort of a central core of the great leading
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economies to basically create a stronger and more effective
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European Union. Britain, of course, would be
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part of that. It is a very strong economy and
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it therefore will play a major role in the evolution of Europe.
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Nothing stays the same. Europe cannot stay as it was
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first founded in the last century.
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It too must evolve and we need to have an evolutionary spirit,
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not a backward looking spirit. You know that England was an
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island or is an island nation and that Ireland mentality of us
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and them has existed throughout history, that the English
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Channel has made Britain feel that it's somehow separate,
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somehow different. But our genes, we're not only
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are we humans like the Europeans, but most of us
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actually have got, you know, European heritage.
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Most people in Britain are not actually originally Celtic
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British. They come from Europe in the 1st
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place. We're huge amounts of French
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blood, huge amounts of German blood, Dutch blood in, in the
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British people we're not really British.
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The British are actually European by blood.
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I mean, the royal family, for example, is, is, is almost
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entirely German, a fact which and British people don't seem to
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want to sort of really come to terms with.
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But seriously speaking, the the main need for the future Gunter
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is that the world comes together because the threats ahead are
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very, very serious indeed. And Europe?
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Europe has come together intensively now the last four
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years during the war really, the leadership has steeled itself
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and we have done unprecedented things, funding ammunition and
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weapons for Ukraine. the US never done something like that
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before. It was always poo poo, no
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weapons. And now we are, via the peace
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facility, we helped the Ukrainians in billions.
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We are doing a lot of things which were unprecedented.
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And if you are ready to rejoin, we will build a much stronger
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European Union together. And I wanted to ask you now
28:59
about the political prospects of this, because there's basically
29:03
four major parties now in the United Kingdom, and none of them
29:07
are really so much keen on rejoining, as I see it.
29:11
I wanted to ask you first about Keith Starmer, the Prime
29:14
Minister, and his position and what's your relation towards him
29:18
and do you think that he will endorse rejoining and later in
29:22
the mandate in order to save him, because he looks very
29:26
fragile at the moment? Well, he's in power and I think
29:32
most people in power have a certain fragility in their
29:36
position, quid pro quo. I mean because other people are
29:40
always trying to take power away whenever you have it.
29:44
Keir Starmer himself, I believe, is more pro European than he
29:47
would care to admit. Certainly he has declared an
29:52
intention to have closer ties with Europe and he's making
29:56
strong inroads towards achieving that.
29:59
That is based upon the economic reality that he's in.
30:04
He realises that economically Britain must rejoin Europe or
30:09
get closer ties in Verdi commas in order to improve the economic
30:12
situation. But of course he's worried by
30:16
the old Brexiteer vote that if he goes too far and too quickly
30:23
towards Europe he's going to lose some of his traditional
30:28
voters. But of course the people that
30:31
voted for Brexit were by and large the older generation and
30:36
many of those have now passed on and the new generation that is
30:41
replacing them is infinitely more pro European than the
30:46
generation before. And those young people are
30:50
crying out to join Europe, which is now why the rejoiners, we
30:55
have 58% in virtually every poll taken now 58% of the British
31:02
public wants to rejoin. And when the young people are
31:07
given the vote, as they will be, I believe, in the next general
31:11
election, when we extend the voting age down to 16, I think
31:15
there will be a very, very strong, you know, electoral
31:18
support for rejoining. But you were talking about the
31:21
other parties. Now, of course, the Green Party
31:24
is very strong on rejoining. Zach Polanski has taken the
31:29
Green Party out of being a single issue party concerned
31:33
with climate change and made it into a much broader base party
31:37
concerned with social reform. And that is now drawing a lot of
31:42
support. And of course, you've heard the
31:45
the the recent by election in which his party scored a very
31:49
significant win. There was a historic by election
31:52
when the Green Party, I think that was the first member in the
31:55
House of Westminster, the Parliament ever in a direct
31:59
election. In, in in a by election they've
32:04
of course they've had they've had an elected MP before in a
32:07
general election. But the point is that the Green
32:12
Party, although it is very pro European and wishes to rejoin,
32:17
it doesn't put rejoining as being its first priority.
32:22
And that is the difference between our party and other
32:25
parties is the fact that we say the most important element of
32:28
politics today is to rejoin the EU because it solves an enormous
32:35
number of social and economic problems within the UK.
32:39
Other parties say yes or the Liberal Democrats of course say
32:42
yes. But in time, stage by stage is
32:46
the Liberal Democrat approach. The Greens are saying yes, but
32:50
there are other things which are more important.
32:52
One of the things that they think is more important is the
32:54
legalisation of drugs, for example.
32:57
And I think that many of us are a bit wary about the
33:02
legalisation of drugs. Legalisation of cannabis is one
33:05
thing, but the legalisation of drugs like heroin and, and, and
33:08
and crack and cocaine and all the rest of it, quite frankly,
33:11
to me is a nightmare concept. And so it's not that the other
33:20
parties are not necessarily against joining Europe, of
33:24
course Reform and the Conservatives are very strongly
33:27
against rejoining Europe, but the other parties are much more
33:30
on our side. It's the fact that we say it is
33:33
the number one priority. And that's what what draws the
33:36
distinction between us. But of course we don't have the
33:41
funding and the, the, the, the commercial backing that's needed
33:47
to make a big impact. So plainly it's very difficult
33:50
for us to get our message across, but bit by bit the
33:54
concept that we're talking about is being taken on.
33:58
And that's why the Green Party and the Labour Party as well as
34:02
the Liberals have, have now made their move to say yes, we need
34:07
to get closer, we need to move towards Europe.
34:10
We cannot maintain that Brexit illusion.
34:14
Explain maybe the Conservative Party's position.
34:17
There's Kimi Bhattock. She is the leader.
34:20
She is not getting a lot of traction and she is under
34:23
pressure of reform. I understand.
34:26
Well, the Conservative Party, excuse me, the Conservative
34:30
Party was more or less annihilated after the Boris
34:35
Johnson affair and, and, and the Liz Truss debark.
34:40
And the party is now so divided, so fragmented that it is ceasing
34:47
to become a a voice in Britain. In fact, it's it's, it's not
34:53
likely to have any inroad. In fact, the great likelihood is
34:56
it won't be even the opposition in the future of an
35:01
extraordinary election. It is basically ceasing to exist
35:06
the reform. Party Boris Johnson has
35:09
destroyed Boris Johnson's legacy has destroyed the Conservative
35:12
Party. Oh yes, yes because because he
35:16
he brought discredit to the political class.
35:20
A man who parties whilst other people are locked down breaks
35:25
his own rules. A man who basically doesn't take
35:32
the world seriously and dismisses it as a joke.
35:37
Sorry to say this, but Boris Johnson was a buffoon and to
35:43
have that type of person leading a nation was a was, was a
35:48
disgrace. And of course that has really
35:50
significantly affected the legacy of the Tory party.
35:54
Then it will take them decades to overcome this, if they ever
35:57
can, because of course a lot of services have gone over now to
36:00
the Reform Party. And the Reform Party, although
36:05
it has huge issues facing it, are nonetheless a very powerful
36:11
force because they're voicing that old Brexit voice.
36:16
They're talking about strong politics.
36:18
They're not liberal. And perhaps in the time of
36:23
crisis, as you know from history, strong politics, right
36:27
wing politics has a gravitas. People turn to strong leaders at
36:32
a time of crisis. And Nigel Farage is presenting
36:36
himself as that sort of person and I'm sure that at the next
36:40
general election he's going to do very well and, and, and may
36:45
well form a government and, and certainly may well be the
36:49
opposition. It is not the government.
36:53
Elon Musk is supporting another party.
36:55
Actually recently there's a even more right wing party than
36:58
reform in the British political spectrum.
37:00
I understand. Elon Musk has got a he's got a
37:06
political track record. He has 220 million followers and
37:12
he's somehow obsessed with the British politics, so I have to
37:15
ask him this one. I mean, interesting character
37:19
Elon Musk, but I I don't think he's a very successful
37:22
politician. He doesn't seem to be doing very
37:25
well in this game. So you expect that it will be
37:29
the Labour against Nigel Farage, the competition, Keir Starmer
37:34
against Nigel Farage who will be Prime Minister?
37:38
Well, I think the longer that we wait for the next election, the
37:43
greater the power of Zach Polanski and the Greens will
37:47
become because they are inheriting the left wing voters
37:53
that Labour has left behind in their shambolic economic
38:00
strategy. I've never known a chancellor in
38:05
in, in, in Britain make such disastrous decisions which you
38:10
knew anybody listening to their to her budget would know that
38:14
this, this, this, this was a disaster.
38:16
To do what she's doing is is economic suicide.
38:19
I don't understand how she's ever got the job.
38:22
I don't understand how she's kept the job and this, the
38:26
dramatic effects of her economic policies are being felt by every
38:32
household in the nation, everybody from the poor
38:37
throughout the, the, the middle classes.
38:39
The only people who don't seem to suffer so much from Labour
38:43
policies are actually the Super rich.
38:46
I mean, the, the, the, the, the very people that one would have
38:49
thought the Labour Party was meant to sort of rein in. the
38:53
Super rich are not doing badly because they've got the finance
38:57
to employ accountants and lawyers to work out clever ways
39:02
around the rules. And, and, and, and, and have
39:05
Isle of Man companies and stuff like this which are outside the
39:08
tax world and all sorts of manoeuvres they do using tax
39:12
havens to avoid paying the taxation which the Labour
39:16
government is trying to take. So consequently, the, the
39:19
strategy isn't working. And I, I would have never seen
39:23
anything like it. I, I, I've never seen, you know,
39:26
I, I, I, I was in Britain for many, many years and I, and I
39:30
saw, you know, a lot of prime ministers.
39:34
I, I've been following politics since I was a child, you know,
39:37
from, from Harold Macmillan all the way through to today's
39:43
world. I've never seen anything like
39:46
what we've seen in the last sort of seven or eight years since
39:50
since the onset of Ricks. I've, I've never seen a car
39:53
crash in, in an economy, a car crash in, in, in also.
39:59
Not only that, it's the type of people that are now leading us.
40:05
They're not really politicians. They are career, shall we say,
40:10
opportunists. They use politics as a stepping
40:14
stone towards getting very high paid jobs.
40:18
And and speaking engagements around the world which pay them.
40:22
I mean Boris Johnson has been reputedly earning 250,000 for a
40:26
speech, which he does regularly. I mean this sort of opportunism
40:33
is disgusting. And in the old days, people like
40:35
Alec Douglas Hume, whom I knew a little personally was a
40:39
wonderful chap who devoted his life and career towards helping
40:45
the people, towards being there as a servant of the British
40:51
public, not as a person who is trying to make the biggest nest
40:56
for his own bank account, may, you know, get the biggest house
40:59
that he can possibly live in, etcetera, etcetera.
41:02
Those people are sadly gone. And that I think has been a
41:06
tremendous tragedy to see real career politicians being
41:10
replaced by opportunist money makers.
41:13
Very sad. But you had just elections I
41:16
think two years ago in the United Kingdom, Kiestama got a
41:19
really big super majority. I think he was really or most of
41:24
the seats, a really very big victory.
41:26
And now you're predicting basically a complete turn around
41:29
of the British electoral system since I think the 1920s was the
41:34
time when you had this turmoil and there came the Labour Party
41:39
up against the Liberal Party. And so since 100 years you have
41:43
basically a stable competition between Conservative and Labour
41:46
and now the both of them might disappear against the Reform and
41:52
the Green Party. People have lost faith in
41:56
established parties everywhere I go and I speak to the the the
42:00
British public on the streets, they are absolutely fed up with
42:05
politicians and political parties.
42:08
In fact the biggest majority in Britain will very shortly be the
42:12
people who simply just don't want to vote anymore.
42:15
And then we really do have the example of failure of the of the
42:19
political system. Of course the other crazy thing
42:22
about Britain is the first past the post system.
42:25
Now that really is crazy, where a party with 30% of the
42:31
electorate that vote, that's not 30% of everybody that that that
42:35
is can vote, but 30% of the people who actually vote can
42:40
actually form in the House of Commons a 60 or 70% majority of
42:46
seats in power. That is crazy.
42:50
And PR is absolutely essential for democracy.
42:55
You cannot have a minority group having overwhelming power in in
43:01
in a system. And that's of course is what's
43:03
what's killing Britain is the fact that every time there's an
43:06
election, a party with roundabout 30% of the vote gets
43:10
roundabout 70% of the seats. That's been going on now for
43:13
quite some time. It's got to end.
43:14
And of course our party stands for that change.
43:18
But more than that, our party actually doesn't believe in
43:24
established party dominance. We don't have a three line whip,
43:28
for example. We don't believe that if we were
43:32
elected now, members were sitting in the House, they
43:34
shouldn't be doing what I'm telling them.
43:36
They shouldn't be voting the way that their leader is saying.
43:39
They should be voting in the House according to the interests
43:44
of their constituents. What their constituents want is
43:48
what the MPs should be voting for, not what the party leaders
43:52
say the party dogma says. That's not democracy.
43:57
Everybody who is elected as an MP is there to serve their
44:02
constituents and look after their interests and listen to
44:07
their voice. It's a different concept of
44:11
politics. And I believe that Zahra
44:13
Wagenknecht in Germany is following a similar sort of
44:16
principle that we've got to get away from the idea of party
44:21
political dominance. And every time I speak to people
44:25
in the streets, their revulsion of politicians and party systems
44:31
comes very, very clear to me because they're concerned about
44:35
their lives and the way that their their problems are being
44:38
ignored by politicians who are forever doing sweeping
44:44
statements of generalizations. Housing costs.
44:48
Housing costs are a nightmare for people.
44:51
And we do very little about actually making certain that
44:55
people can actually afford to live in a proper home.
44:59
In the past we had council houses in England, houses owned
45:03
by the state, where the state could provide inexpensive or
45:08
shall we say affordable accommodation for people to
45:11
have. Now everything is private,
45:14
everything is profit making, everything is about getting the
45:17
highest rent that you can possibly get.
45:19
And where does that leave ordinary people?
45:21
It leaves them in in a situation whereby whole families have got
45:25
to live in two or three rooms, which sometimes even less.
45:31
And these families, of course, when you condense a family
45:34
together in a very small space, it does not create the best
45:38
circumstances for bringing up children, does not create the
45:41
best circumstances for having a successful relationship.
45:45
It creates stress and stress creates breakup and breakup
45:51
creates disunity and malfunctioning.
45:54
And that's precisely what's going on at the moment.
45:56
It's a tragedy to see it. Don't you think that this kind
46:00
of disappointment, this delusion comes from Brexit?
46:05
Because Brexit was meant to this promised land beyond the EU.
46:10
And now people see that this was all lies and it was all not real
46:14
and it was all promises broken. And this kind of disappointment
46:19
and this kind of changing of the party political landscape is
46:23
exactly the result of Brexit. Couldn't agree more.
46:27
Couldn't agree with you more. Yes, Brexit, it was an illusion,
46:31
it was a trick. It's taken away the livelihoods
46:34
of millions, it's called caused economic suffering on almost
46:39
everybody in the country and it has brought absolutely no
46:45
benefits whatsoever. And that is now a reality which
46:50
people may not wish to face, but nonetheless, they only have to
46:55
open their eyes. Just walk down the High Street
46:58
and you can see the reality. You can see all the shops
47:01
shutting down. You can see the pubs shutting
47:04
down. Society basically becoming more
47:08
and more separate, more and more isolated.
47:11
It's, it's, it's a car crash. It's, it's terrible to watch.
47:15
As I keep saying, the only way that we can overcome this
47:18
nightmare that we're in is to link arms together as people,
47:24
not only in Europe but across the world, to overcome common
47:29
problems that face us. Or whatever continent, whatever
47:32
country we're living in, we're faced with the same realities,
47:35
the same problems. And unless we in this century
47:40
lay the foundations for global union, for the unity of the
47:46
world, to stop thinking of our neighbors as being competitors,
47:51
but to start thinking of them as being our brothers, that we must
47:55
face the common threats that face us all and face it
47:59
together, so that we can help get through this century.
48:03
For otherwise, as I said earlier on, the future looks extremely
48:07
grim. The next European Parliament
48:11
elections are in June 2029, so close to three years from now.
48:16
Do you think it's possible, as I very strongly hope, that the
48:20
United Kingdom will rejoin in 2029, the European Union as one
48:26
of, because we will take in other countries as well.
48:29
There will be Albania, there will be Montenegro, N Macedonia
48:32
for sure, maybe Ukraine. The big debate is there and the
48:36
timeline. There's a big debate yesterday.
48:38
There will be next week the European Council on the 19th of
48:41
March where all these things will be decided, and in June as
48:44
well. So you would fit very well back
48:46
into the European Union 2029. I understand you need to do a
48:51
lot of work as a rejoin party, definitely to win or at least to
48:55
change the debate in the United Kingdom.
48:57
But more unity would be the best answer to the Russian war of
49:01
aggression and to Trumpism. And you know, it would be
49:05
perfect to have you back. And people like me, I can tell
49:08
you we will do do everything we can to make sure that you will
49:12
join back in 2029. What's your timeline?
49:16
What's your perspective? What's your optimistic message
49:19
here to tell to the voters in the United Kingdom?
49:25
Well, I would say to the voters of the United Kingdom, if you
49:29
want to see your lives improve, if you want to have hope for the
49:35
future rather than despair, if you want to change the political
49:41
system that has brought such tragedy and suffering to you and
49:48
your families for the last 10 years.
49:52
If you want to see that end, then there is only one way of
49:56
doing it, and that is to vote for a party that will lead you
50:00
there. Now I'm, I, I, I'm only the
50:05
leader at this moment, I'm not certain I can actually carry on
50:08
at my advanced age to, to continue doing this job.
50:12
But certainly vote for a party that is going to lead you back
50:18
into Europe fast. I mean, we obviously we do our
50:23
best to pressure the other parties of raising rejoining in
50:27
their agenda because at the end of the day, I don't really care
50:31
who's in power. I don't really say, Oh well, you
50:36
know, vote for rejoin EU and everything will be safe.
50:38
Vote for me and I'm going to save the world.
50:40
Now. This is nonsense.
50:42
Now what I'm saying is we've got to make our political parties
50:48
that are supporting the rejoining movement to make them
50:53
aware that we need to do it now. We need to get on with the job
50:58
because it does take time to go through all the negotiations
51:02
that will be involved. And the point is that one thing
51:06
that doesn't stop is the crisis, the crisis of, of, of change
51:11
which is occurring. You know, this is the biggest
51:14
revolution that's hit society, that's hit mankind since the
51:19
agrarian revolution, since we basically started agriculture
51:22
about 8010 thousand years ago. That was a huge revolution.
51:27
You know, when we stopped being nomads, we started to settle in
51:32
in, in specific places that changed mankind.
51:36
And this is the biggest change since then.
51:41
The what we're now facing, we're facing not only as a climate
51:46
change, which is forcing us to change our way of life, forcing
51:51
us to change everything that we've basically come to accept
51:55
over the last, you know, 20,000 years, but AI, as I say as well
52:00
these, these I repeat myself, AI is making a great social and
52:05
political and economic change, which we have to globally deal
52:09
with in a coordinated way. Because you see, the problem is
52:13
that if whatever regulations we make about the control of AI, if
52:18
the Chinese don't do the same, they score an advantage over us.
52:22
They will be able to manipulate us and we'll feel weak because
52:25
of their power. You see that that's the problem.
52:28
As long as we think of the politics of conflict, I call it,
52:33
we're thinking always about having to struggle to beat the
52:37
other side. We must get away from that.
52:40
We must have a United Nations much stronger than what we have
52:45
at the moment. the United Nations has almost ceased to
52:48
exist. It has no influence or power at
52:51
all. It was meant to stop war.
52:52
Well, look at it. You know, we've, we've had
52:54
continuous war now for years now, four years.
53:00
Everywhere there's war and yet the United Nations is powerless
53:04
to stop it. That must end.
53:05
We must have a United Nations which is strong enough to stop
53:09
this madness. War, as I keep saying, is a
53:13
nightmare. We must look towards ending
53:16
wars, not winning them, but ending them.
53:22
This was my interview with Richard Morley, the president of
53:25
the Rejoined party, who has a powerful vision of his country,
53:29
the United Kingdom, returning into the European Union as fast
53:33
as possible and has influence to make it happen.
53:37
We hope because we want and we need you back, because it would
53:41
be wonderful to have this unity in Europe.
53:44
And you were a wonderful member of the European Union for 40
53:49
long happy years. We were united and we were
53:52
growing. And it was Maggie Fetcher who
53:55
was putting forward the internal market action.
53:59
And many of the freedoms we have and many of the successes we
54:03
have in the European Union, we have because of your
54:07
contribution of the British contribution in the European
54:10
Union. And it would be wonderful that
54:13
you come back best in 2029 when the next opportunity is opening.
54:17
Iceland will be part, maybe Norway, I'm sure Albania,
54:22
Montenegro and Macedonia, maybe the United Kingdom as well and
54:27
maybe Ukraine. That would be very good.
54:29
Please, Richard, your last statement and then we close this
54:33
podcast and I will share it everywhere in order to make sure
54:37
the UK is rejoining they you. I hate, I hate to repeat myself,
54:46
but the unity of mankind is the only way that we are going to
54:52
survive the future. And the unity of mankind starts
54:57
with linking arms with your neighbors.
55:00
And our neighbors in Britain is in Europe.
55:06
Europe are our neighbors. We must work together and we
55:10
must have a vision beyond that to do the same process across
55:15
the whole world so that our children and our grandchildren
55:20
will have a future in front of them rather than the terrible
55:24
despair that drives them into the drug taking the this
55:32
antisocial behaviour that we see in virtually every country now.
55:37
That hope that we must give them can only be achieved with unity,
55:43
the concept of it, and that is what I've devoted my personal
55:48
interests in achieving and hopefully it can go wider.
55:52
Thank you so much for the interview, it's been a great
55:54
pleasure. Richard, thanks a lot for coming
55:57
to the Gunter failing a podcast and also all the best for your
56:00
party. I really will do whatever I can
56:03
on my channels to promote rejoin EU.
56:06
You'll be sure about it. You, I'm happy that you came and
56:10
I want you to be successful and I will do and I will call
56:13
everybody in the free world, please, everybody support,
56:17
rejoin. And that's a perfect party.
56:20
And we will be very happy united and Putin will be defeated
56:24
because we will be strong podcast with Richard Morley.
56:27
Thanks a lot. All the best, and thanks a lot
56:30
for watching The Gunter failing a show.
56:33
Now we'll stop recording and.