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The Shocking Truth About Root Canals and Your Health With Thomas Aksnes · Non-Toxic Living

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  So you're saying that genetics are not a primary cause of disease.
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  It can be, but it's rare.
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  In this country, 60% of the population have one or more chronic illness.
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  90% of the seniors in this country have one or more chronic illness.
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  And the genetics is not a primary course for the vast majority.
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  It's actually...
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  This is a new direction in medicine where we use technologies to map it all out.
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  And our experience is when you can find and fix these causative factors,
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  then self-healing can become quite easy.
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  And you have incredible ability to detox.
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  We have all these different functions in our body that play together
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  to deal with the threats at hand.
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  Unfortunately, I see after coming to United States
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  and starting to assess people here, I see that.
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  Thomas Oxnis, welcome to the Non-Toxic Living Podcast.
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  Really for tourists and honored to have you here.
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  You haven't been on many podcasts for a reason,
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  because you chose to fly under the radar with some of the methodologies you've been using
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  on over 700,000 people.
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  So the things you're going to share today are really going to open some people's eyes
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  on the healing potential of the body.
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  And we're definitely going to get into detox.
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  So thank you and for this special honor to have you here on the Non-Toxic Living Podcast.
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  Thank you.
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  Thank you for having me.
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  Yeah, man.
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  So let's dive right in.
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  You're from a family of high-level scientists in Norway.
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  There are deans of many different colleges in Norway,
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  and you've had your own healing path.
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  You have honorary doctorates, but you never finished a university
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  that you've passed all the tests to.
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  You're just such a brilliant human.
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  That's all I'm going to say.
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  And it's been so fun talking to you in the hallway of this event.
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  And then having you walk over here and fight through the long elevator ride
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  to be here.
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  But you come from this brilliant family.
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  And you had your own health journey that has really unlocked some methodologies
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  that are transforming lives.
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  And our conversation has been beautiful off camera.
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  And it's going to be even more beautiful on camera.
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  So thank you.
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  Oh, thank you.
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  So my family opened a lot of doors for me, I would say.
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  And also gave me the mindset growing up
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  that when there are no good solutions out there,
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  then that means we have to create solutions.
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  So I think the combination of the mindset growing up this way.
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  And then afterwards, when I started my research,
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  it's not easy, especially when you're self-trained.
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  And the reason why I'm self-trained, by the way,
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  is because I had too much to learn too fast.
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  I didn't have time to go through the conventional route.
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  But when you're self-trained, there aren't that many doors.
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  Usually open in academia to be able to do the research that I wanted to do.
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  But thanks to my family name,
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  every door was open to me.
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  And I've been blessed to be able to work with a lot of the most renowned
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  institutes and a lot of really, really brilliant minds all over the world
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  to develop this concept that we've developed over the last 30 years.
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  Yeah, it was pretty shocking when Josh and his girlfriend
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  sitting in the room right now watching this interview.
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  It was really special.
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  He just said he's a brilliant guy.
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  You guys should meet and he ran off.
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  And he left us there and I'm staring at you and you're staring at me.
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  And we start talking.
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  And I just became more and more impressed with your knowledge of what
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  true detoxification is and how the body works,
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  how things are bind and removed from the body.
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  You taught me some things about detoxification that I didn't know.
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  You were so heartfelt.
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  You were so kind in your delivery.
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  And I do want to go over some of those things and you and I both believe that
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  toxicity is one of the major interferences.
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  And this is where we agree after all your research that it's really hurting people.
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  So what we have found is that toxicity is definitely one of the most important factors for
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  definitely not the only one.
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  No, definitely not.
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  And my focus is to have an all-encompassing solution to address every aspect of what is
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  causing the health problems that people are facing.
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  And we cannot do that without also addressing the category of toxicity.
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  Yeah, I love it.
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  So what do you feel that toxicity interferes the most in the human body?
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  Because this is my passion and I will always want to learn more.
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  But we talk about removing the interferences in our home and our environment.
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  You've already taught me about some more things about micotoxins.
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  And so where do you feel that interferes the most?
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  So the main thing is actually it interferes with your capacity for self-healing and self-regulation.
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  So let me explain that a little bit.
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  So we have these brilliant mechanisms within us to self-heal, to regulate, to deal with challenges.
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  So whatever challenge you're exposed to, whether it's a toxic element,
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  you have mechanisms to detox it.
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  If it's a pathogen, you have an immune system to fight it off.
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  If you have an injury, you have repair mechanisms to fix it.
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  Like we have all this brilliant self-healing, self-regulating capabilities.
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  And these mechanisms are incredibly complex.
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  To hone in on the toxicity situation here.
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  It's like we have an orchestra playing together that beautiful symphony of dealing with the detoxification
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  of something that we need to eliminate.
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  So it's all these different musicians playing together.
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  The brain is the conductor regulating this activity.
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  And you have this beautiful symphony being played off detoxing what it is that we need to get rid of
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  as long as we have capacity for that.
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  But capacity is not in absolute abundance, especially in today's society.
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  It's common to be exposed to more toxic elements than your capacity to detox.
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  And that's when you get in trouble.
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  That's when you start to accumulate.
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  So if you get exposed to a little bit toxins every day,
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  but it's still less than your capacity to detox, you will actually not get in trouble.
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  It will consume some of your capacity.
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  So maybe other challenges has less capacity available to address those.
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  So there's still a relevance.
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  But the accumulation of toxic elements in the body is really where you can get in trouble
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  from the toxins.
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  And accumulation only happens when you have more exposure than your capacity to detox.
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  Why do you think the human capacity to detoxify has been so limited compared to say 100 years ago?
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  So we are exposed to much more toxic elements that didn't even exist 100 years ago.
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  And if we go further back in time, their exposure to toxic elements was very, very different than it is today.
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  So through evolution, we can adapt through generations to improve our abilities to detox certain
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  elements that we are exposed to.
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  But when we have things that only our generation or just a couple of generations have had
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  any exposure to, then there is no possibility through evolution to deal with those in an effective way.
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  So that's part of the problem that there are so many new toxic elements that the body needs to
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  learn how to deal with. And we have to learn through exposure.
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  And there's also so many different.
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  So you have the compounding effect of having a total amount of these different chemicals and
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  toxic elements that we're exposed to that might be exceeding our capacity to detox.
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  So even if we have the ability to detox each of them, if there's too many of them,
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  maybe we don't have capacity to detox at all.
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  You're like death by a thousand razor blades.
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  In some cases, do you think that over time this
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  whorematic effect and this learning could happen that we would be able to,
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  you know, we're living in this toxic world with all these electric fields, magnetic fields,
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  do you think that we could adapt over the next 100,000 years to deal with all these bad frequencies,
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  all these different toxins and, you know, gene expression would change.
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  We'd pass on the right genes.
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  Of theoretically, absolutely, yes, but it won't happen in our lifetime.
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  And it typically takes hundreds of years.
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  It takes really a lot of generations for that.
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  So I think it's a better idea to reduce that overload, to find ways to have less exposure
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  of unnecessary negative influence.
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  And what I mean by unnecessary is so much of what we are exposed to today, it serves no purpose,
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  really. The only purpose it might solve is that it's a little bit cheaper for some company to
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  make it that way. If they wanted to make a cleaner, more healthy product, it might cost a little
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  bit more. But I also believe that most people are willing to pay a little bit more.
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  And there's a lot of savings on the back end of that in just being healthier and not having to
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  then spend more money on dealing with health problems.
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  We're using a little bit less instead of having a 17-step skincare routine full of 50%
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  petroleum-based chemicals, maybe have just one skincare routine or be eating healthy,
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  so you don't have to worry about having bad skin or there is this, we won't go off on the
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  consumption of the world and where we live. But I do want to say, I think it is the consumers
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  who can dictate what is being manufactured. So as long as it's profitable to make really cheap
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  products that are toxic, as long as that is profitable because a lot of people are buying it,
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  there will always be some companies who will keep manufacturing these products.
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  But we as consumers can set the bar at a different place. We can choose products that are cleaner
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  and then the industry will follow. And there are so many examples of that through history where
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  the industry is changing more willingly and much faster when there's a change of the demand.
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  So let's think about that. So you're from Norway. Are the food choices, the regulations,
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  are they much better? And you just came over to America. You chose to be here to have an impact.
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  That's why you're here. So you came from Norway. What's the difference that you see between America
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  and Norway? Well, I certainly did not come because the food is cleaner here. So let me give you a
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  couple of examples of the difference. GMO is illegal in Norway. So there's no food that is GMO.
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  Glyphosate is banned. The average pesticide residue in non-organic food in Norway is less than
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  the average pesticide residue in USDA-leveled organic food in the United States. So there's a massive
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  difference what we get exposed to through food and also through the air. We have quite clean air
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  in Norway. It's not perfect, but it's a big difference. Now also in Norway, I have been fighting for
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  almost three decades to improve things. So even though the standards are much better there,
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  it's still not good enough. Our limits of allowed pesticide residue for certain things is
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  a complete ban for certain elements and for other things, the legal limits are hundreds of times
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  lower, but they're still too high. So I think part of the problem in this country is also that
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  there's such a difference between what scientists around the world regard non-toxic or at least
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  non-dangerous level that should be banned and what is deemed in this country. So an adaptation
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  to the rest of the world could be a small start, but it's not good enough in the rest of the world
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  too. Norway is better than EU in that and that's one of the reasons Norway is outside of the European
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  Union because they allow too much toxic elements and too many problems in the European Union.
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  So it's not just for financial reasons that we're standing out of that. But even in Norway where we
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  have some of the most strict regulations in the world, it's still not good enough. Still,
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  there can be accumulation of toxic elements in Norwegian citizens just because of the choices
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  they make. So it still comes down to the consumers having to make the right choices,
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  choose this product instead of that product, help the industries also understand that
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  making healthy products they will get more customers and also to make sure that those very cheap
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  products that they are not favored just because you can save a few dollars on them.
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  You said something powerful that the non-organic food in Norway has less pesticides than the organic
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  food in the United States. That's mind blowing and not shocking by any means because organic food
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  here, we're still using omri organic certified toxins. They're still toxins. They're still
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  neurotoxins. They're still homo disruptive. They're just less so and they or they and or they come
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  from natural things. So just because something comes from nature doesn't mean it's not toxic to our
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  bodies. True. Yes. And certain things can also develop to become toxic when they're not toxic in
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  the first place. Like food that you're struggling to break down, if it ferments in a non-favorable
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  way in your intestines, it shifts the bowel floor and you release toxic elements. That's also one
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  of the ways you can get a lot of toxins into your system is by eating even non-toxic things
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  that you cannot break down properly and then you develop toxic elements from it. Explain more about
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  that. That's a good one. Let's say you eat proteins that are extremely hard to break down.
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  Then when you cannot break them down properly, you get this partially broken down proteins
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  which can actually make more harm than most of the toxic elements out there. So that's also
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  something that then needs to be neutralized by the immune system and it needs to be detoxed.
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  Let's say you eat meat that you don't chew properly. So I eat meat, not the typical livestock that
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  they have here in the United States, but I eat wild meat and I eat things that meat that is
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  non-toxic, but you have to chew it properly because if you swallow chunks of meat, what happens
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  through the digestive processes? First acid, it will only work on the outside. It burns off kind of
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  outer layer of it. Then the enzymes only have access on the outside. So when those chunks of meat
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  get into your intestines, the bacteria in your intestines has to break it down and you have to
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  shift the whole bowel flora to a balance of bowel flora that can ferment the food and break down
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  chunks of meat. So that's not good for the bowel flora, but the other problem is that with that
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  fermentation of these lumps of meat, you also release a lot of toxic elements. And it's not
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  just meat. Even vegetables can be that way. Sometimes people can create more toxic exposure from
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  raw vegetables than from steamed vegetables because if you don't break down those vegetables
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  properly, you're getting more in trouble when they are raw. So there's more nutrients in raw.
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  So if you can break it down, it's better to eat it raw. But if you cannot break it down,
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  you can actually create the toxic overload, certainly in the intestines and also part of it can go
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  through the wall of the intestines. So there are many sources of toxic exposure, even of things that
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  aren't toxic to begin with, but then you need the digestive processes to be sufficient. You need
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  to chew the food properly. You need to choose wisely what you eat in a lot of like ultra processed
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  food. There are different chemicals that prevent breakdown, like things to create a longer shelf
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  life. And when they prevent that breakdown, they can also interfere with the digestive processes
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  which needs to break it down. To get nutrients from the food, you have to break it down.
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  So that's just another example of how you can get in trouble with toxic elements,
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  you know, other than just household products and other things we were talking about.
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  So you're saying if you don't chew your food properly, you can be releasing a massive
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  toxic load in your body. Correct. That's crazy. Yes. When you are fermenting food that didn't
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  break down properly with stomach acid, peps in the enzymes from the pancreatine juice, the bile,
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  like when you don't have a proper breakdown through enzymatic processes, then it has to break down
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  in the intestines with bacteria. And it's a fermentation process that releases a lot of toxic
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  elements. And does it permanently shift your microbiome to a place feeding bacteria that you don't
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  want to have? Definitely. So you shift the balance, but you shift it in a way that is necessary.
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  If you cannot break down the food properly because you don't chew it well enough or you're
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  choosing to eat things that are too hard to break down, or you have a digestive dysfunction
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  of some sort, then it is out of necessity that the bowel floor or shifts. But if this goes on
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  for a long time, you adapt to that dysbiosis. And it's often labeled as a small intestinal bacterial
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  overgrowth, a SIBO, which typically happens out of necessity to be able to break down food that
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  didn't break down properly earlier in the digestive processes. So you could literally fix SIBO by
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  shifting your floor by just chewing your food. You can prevent developing SIBO by staying away
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  from antibiotics and by chewing your food properly and making sure that your digestive processes
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  are functioning and choosing food that you're able to break down. But not fixing SIBO, it probably
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  help. Well, if you stop the factors that cause the SIBO, then you can fix the SIBO afterwards,
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  but there needs to be treatments to fix it once this is kind of the new norm. Now you have to
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  do something to fix it, but you can't even fix it if you're still creating the problem.
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  Yeah, I can't wait to chew my food more. I mean, this is stuff we learn in basic biology,
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  is like chew your food in your mouth so that the pepsin can, the enzymes and I've never heard
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  explain that way. So, you know, it's actually one of the most predominant sources of toxic exposure
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  and that's why I'm mentioning it also. You can get some toxic elements from the air and from water
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  and from other sources in this country. You can also get quite a substantial amount of toxic
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  elements from the food, but the toxins you create by not digesting the food properly still might be
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  the primary source of toxic exposure. It makes so much sense that you can't, if you have a big
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  chunk of meat and so many of us don't chew properly here in the US because we don't practice sober
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  mesa, which is just sitting around a table and enjoying company. We don't have community and we're
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  just woofing down food, even healthy food, just to move on to the next thing to run our kids off
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  to the next event and it's literally probably causing so much dysbiosis, such as SIBO,
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  leaky gut because when you're fermenting in these bugs and then those proteins are crossing,
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  like you said, the intestinal wall causing immune response. And that's one of the most common
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  causes of leaky gut. It's the tight junctions that are damaged from that shift in bowel flora and
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  from the toxic elements from the food that doesn't break down properly. Yeah, I've talked to
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  microbiologists a lot and that's the first time I've heard that. So thank you for sharing that,
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  some of that new wisdom. And what do you think about like soy based proteins? And because we have
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  this, there's the GLP1 craze and everyone's looking for more protein and so protein is cool right
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  now. So there's protein drinks, protein this, some of the group biggest influencers are releasing
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  protein and they're sneaking and soy protein into everything, even soy isolates just up that protein
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  level. So what do you think about those things? So first of all, what you need is what protein should
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  break down to. You need amino acids. So if you want to eat a protein, make sure that the protein
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  you eat can be broken down, that you have the digestive functions to break down that protein.
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  So if you have unfermented soy, chances are you cannot break it down. If you use soy the way it's
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  been used historically like in Japan, it's used in fermented forms and now you can break it down.
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  Other proteins that are difficult to break down wheat gluten, I don't eat wheat gluten at all,
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  last time I heard it was in 1996. I'm not allergic to it but it's so hard to break down the modern
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  wheat and in United States it's even worse than in Europe but it's plenty bad enough in Europe too.
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  So I don't eat that because it's not a good source of amino acids for me because it's so hard
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  to break down. I don't eat anything with A1 casing which is a protein in dairy and you see now
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  there are more and more brands coming on the market with A2 milk which is typically from
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  Jersey cows that just naturally doesn't have the A1 and the two most common types of milk that
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  doesn't have A1 is from Jersey cows which is labeled typically A2 and it's the Indian holy
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  country cow which also in India the milk in the cow is holy and I find it particularly interesting
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  that that milk actually doesn't have the A1 casing which is so hard to break down that it's
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  not good for anybody to eat it but we need to be cautious with intake of proteins that are
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  hard to break down even with a good digestive system so I don't eat those things that I know
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  are so hard to break down and then with other types of protein like from animal protein that is
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  a good source of amino acids if you can break it down properly and for animal protein to break it
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  down properly usually you just need to chew it well enough but a lot of people don't do that
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  and if they don't chew it properly they will then have this toxicity effect in intestines
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  and there are also symptoms where that when you ferment meat in the intestines you also get
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  bloating and things like that and a lot of people will then cut it out that will try a diet
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  without meat and then they feel better that digestion works better and that's okay but if you
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  choose not to have animal protein you still need to choose a good variety of protein and you
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  need to choose protein that is easy to break down and make sure that all the protein you eat can
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  be broken down and even though most types of protein can turn into any type of amino acid in reality
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  it doesn't turn into any type of amino acid you need a variety of different proteins to be able
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  to get the full spectrum of amino acids in an easy way. I eat meat but I only eat healthy meat
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  and for meat you have to chew it well enough because the most toxic of all if you don't break it
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  down well enough it is meat. So if you're plant protein. Yes, it's number. So if you cannot
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  take the time to chew the meat properly don't eat it like if I'm in a Russian I don't have time
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  to chew properly. I will cut out animal protein in that meal and I will just have that in a different
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  meal when I have time to chew it properly. What about sourdough bread for wheat? Does that break
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  it down and ferment it so that it's more digestible? Actually it doesn't and I can't believe you ask
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  that question because I actually explained that to someone the other day and I've never been asked
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  that question before. So I think that is a good example of how the modern wheat is not easily
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  digestible because sourdough process doesn't really work for the modern wheat. sourdough process is
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  amazing for rye, for iron corn, for all the ancient grains and you might say oh wheat is an ancient
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  grain well it's not the same wheat. The wheat you read about in the Bible is very very different
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  from the modern wheat that we have today and if you take modern wheat here in the United States
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  and you try to make sourdough bread from it the gluten from that wheat is still not broken down
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  and you will still get in trouble. It doesn't help if it's whole grain, it doesn't help if it's sourdough
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  but sourdough is brilliant for other types of grains. So if you're going to make sourdough bread you
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  got to use the ancient grains like I corn and you have these viral videos going online. I went to
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  Italy and I ate all the bread and felt fine and like these millions of millions of views because
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  everyone wants to eat bread. So all my sourdough followers I believe what you're saying I don't
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  I haven't I didn't know why but sourdough bread here in the US just regular organic wheat
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  which has been hybridized. I still don't feel well. But when we make iron corn pancakes I feel
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  great. Exactly. Then I didn't know why. I would rather have iron corn that is not sourdough
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  than wheat that has gone through a sourdough process because it doesn't really break it down
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  anyhow. All my sourdough but the bread I've been making for more than two decades now is sourdough
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  bread where iron corn is the main ingredient and then mixing it with some other ancient grains
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  that's how you can make it really delicious and healthy bread. That sounds that sounds delicious.
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  I think we should do that. Maybe we'll do a cooking show. That'll be fun. You said that in Norway
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  if there's mold in your house it's mandatory that you leave and they put you in a hotel.
• 27:08
  While your insurance will see to it that it's fixed. There's a very big difference in Norway and
• 27:14
  here in how people see mold as a threat. In Norway people understand that the micotoxins that come
• 27:24
  from mold in the house is incredibly toxic. Not everybody understands it but it's generally understood.
• 27:31
  In United States I would say this is not generally understood. You have some people who know more
• 27:37
  about this like yourself. Of course you understand that very well but I think the average American
• 27:44
  somehow hasn't received that information or if they received it they didn't fully understand it
• 27:50
  or believe in it. But I would say that is the most common cause of illness in the category of
• 27:57
  toxic exposure. Most illness is caused by a whole range of factors. It's always multifactorial.
• 28:06
  It's extremely rare for illness to develop from one cause alone which is why you can't really
• 28:11
  talk about the root of something. It's plural. It's the root. So it's always the most complex.
• 28:17
  That should be your new podcast, the root cause. So it's always multifactorial. You have underlying
• 28:22
  quotations that make it possible for problems to develop and there's always multiple underlying
• 28:28
  quotations. Genetic is in that category you can have a genetic predisposition or maybe not but
• 28:33
  the genetic predisposition is usually not even a primary cause. So there are other underlying
• 28:39
  quotations that are usually more primary than the genetic which also exemplifies why this whole
• 28:46
  new direction in medicine. There's so many scientists believe that we'll solve all health
• 28:50
  problems when we now really map out the genome and when you gene therapies we're going to solve it all.
• 28:57
  I do not believe that because what we've seen is that the predisposition, the genetic predisposition
• 29:05
  is usually a secondary factor or not involved at all. So there are other underlying quotations
• 29:11
  that are more likely to create that soil for which disease can grow in. And malt toxicity,
• 29:19
  so it's the microtoxins and especially certain forms of aflatoxins from malt is in the category
• 29:25
  of toxins. It's the worst one and it's often a primary cause of certain health problems to
• 29:31
  develop. So together then with other factors not related to toxic exposure maybe at all or maybe
• 29:38
  also related to toxins in terms of not having capacity to solve the health problems that are
• 29:45
  developing that our self-healing mechanisms can't deal with what's developing because we consuming
• 29:51
  so much of the capacity dealing with the toxic exposure we have every day. So that all that
• 29:57
  capacity spent for detoxing processes is why you don't have capacity to stop this development
• 30:04
  of some health problems developing. So you're saying that genetics are not a primary cause of
• 30:10
  disease. It can be but it's rare. In this country 60% of the population have one or more chronic
• 30:19
  illness. 75% of their population above 35 and below 65 have one or more chronic illness. 90% of
• 30:30
  the seniors in this country have one or more chronic illness. And the genetics is not a primary
• 30:38
  cause for the vast majority. It's actually a lot of times not involved at all and when it is
• 30:46
  involved it's a small predisposition a little bit increased risk of something developing but you
• 30:52
  would never develop that health problem from that predisposition alone. So you're pretty much
• 30:58
  saying that genes aren't your destiny and it's not just your genes that made you sick.
• 31:04
  They're a second typically a secondary cause if relevant at all of a disease development.
• 31:12
  You can develop any disease with very few exceptions. You can develop almost every disease
• 31:18
  without having a genetic predisposition. You can have a very strong genetic predisposition
• 31:24
  without developing that disease. So yes that is what I'm saying. You're hurting everybody's
• 31:30
  brains including mine which is wonderful because there's such a big push even in the longevity space
• 31:36
  and doing genetic testing. I think it is it does serve a purpose. I'd like to hear your thoughts
• 31:41
  on what purpose it does serve when we do all this genetic testing but I love that you came after
• 31:47
  this pink polka dot cow in the room because I kind of believe I've always innately thought what
• 31:56
  you just said. So even though it's shocking to hear because we've been trained at least in the
• 32:01
  United States that I'm sick because it was just my genes. But so many people are getting disease
• 32:08
  and you showed it that's not their genetic weakness. They're just developing disease for another
• 32:14
  primary reason. Like they don't have a genetic weakness for diabetes but they're slamming
• 32:19
  processed food and sugar and destroying their cellular function and that's why they're getting
• 32:23
  disease. It's not like you can't blame your genetics anymore. Exactly. So someone who has a
• 32:29
  genetic predisposition to develop diabetes type two. If they have a healthy lifestyle they will not
• 32:34
  develop it and someone who has zero predisposition to develop diabetes type two. They're still very
• 32:40
  likely to develop it. If they have a high glycemic diet and combined with other factors that
• 32:47
  also drive that development. Makes sense. And it's the same with almost every disease. We have
• 32:53
  experience through 24 years of clinical practice across more than 200 clinics. We have experienced
• 33:02
  with more than 700,000 clients and I can count probably on one hand the clients where the genetic
• 33:10
  predisposition was the most important and potentially the only important cause. And this is all,
• 33:18
  I mean we've talked I mean I've camera but this is really well researched. Extremely. We have
• 33:25
  all the data from more than 700,000 clients. So the solution lies in finding out what are all
• 33:34
  the different routes of the problem. So if genetic is a secondary factor or maybe not involved at all
• 33:41
  then what are the underlying possessions that make it possible for these problems to develop?
• 33:46
  What's creating that soil that disease can develop in? So we have we've been part of developing
• 33:54
  a lot of technologies to be able to measure the main functions in the body. We can measure 20,000
• 34:02
  factors now in the body and we can measure even at the cellular level what is going in and out of
• 34:10
  the cells. We can measure a lot about the environment of the cells in the stichofluid. We can measure
• 34:15
  the organ functions. So we use a vast combination of technologies for this and we also use all the
• 34:21
  conventional technologies and we've been part of developing some unconventional proprietary
• 34:26
  technologies. Also medically approved even for use in a hospital setting and then in our research
• 34:34
  centers we also have the latest developments that are still in the trial process and where we can
• 34:40
  assess even more. But this is a new direction in medicine where we use technologies to map it
• 34:47
  all out. We're trying to find all the pieces of that big jigsaw puzzle of all the different factors
• 34:53
  in the body and all the underlying possessions that might be relevant for development of a dysfunction
• 34:59
  in what's triggering the dysfunction and also widen our self-healing mechanisms managed to deal
• 35:05
  with what was early emerging and our experience is when you can find and fix these causative factors
• 35:14
  then self-healing can become quite easy and we also have technologies to stimulate
• 35:20
  self-healing processes such as detoxification. We have these amazing intrinsic detox mechanisms.
• 35:28
  We can stimulate those mechanisms so that they can be enhanced and they can do a better job.
• 35:33
  That is not even necessary if you keep the toxic load below the threshold for what you're
• 35:39
  able to detox on a daily basis. So if you don't accumulate you don't need that type of stimuli.
• 35:45
  But if you've been having more exposure on a daily basis than your ability to detox for maybe 10
• 35:52
  years, maybe 20 years, maybe even 30 years. What happens then is that you've accumulated so much
• 35:58
  that you can't really expect that your body should be able to detox this without any support
• 36:03
  and that's when we can enhance these mechanisms to give that support to get this out of the body
• 36:09
  but then once it's out, our advice is to stop overloading these mechanisms.
• 36:14
  Remove the upstream flow of these toxins by not living in a moldy home, by not using toxins,
• 36:21
  not using fragrance and all these petroleum-based cleaners like why? Why do you have sodium
• 36:27
  dodecel, benzene, sulfonate and your dishwashing liquid? You do not need that. So I'm really
• 36:32
  interested in the causational factors that you found in your research. We mentioned micotoxins.
• 36:38
  What are some of the other major causational factors? So we will then go into other topics
• 36:42
  than just about toxicity but it's totally fine. Other common factors, unresolved emotional factors,
• 36:50
  it's very common because our brain needs to activate these different healing processes and if
• 36:56
  the brain is occupied in a mode of dealing with something that happened a long time ago even from
• 37:01
  childhood there can be less ability to regulate and activate these self-healing mechanisms.
• 37:08
  Stress can be a factor. Stress doesn't cause disease directly, at least not the way we see it.
• 37:15
  Stress can put you in a mode where the priority for your self-healing self-regulating mechanisms
• 37:21
  is to deal with a stressful situation. In that mode you will not be dealing with the old problems,
• 37:26
  the chronic problems. So it suppresses self-healing capabilities.
• 37:32
  Then you have the more electrochemical factors. The charge of the cells is a very important factor.
• 37:38
  The cells should have minus 70 to minus 90 millivol charge. Any type of problem that lasts
• 37:44
  for a long time at the tissue level, you will consume more charge by just exchanging a higher rate
• 37:53
  of ions to deal with that. An example of that exchange of ions is the sodium potassium pump.
• 37:59
  So when you need more ATP production, which is the energy in the cells, if you have a problem,
• 38:04
  you need more energy to fix the problem, right? So when you have an increased
• 38:10
  ATP production to deal with a challenge, you have to exchange the sodium potassium mines in the
• 38:17
  rate of the production of the ATP. And that exchange of these ions that is increased consumes more
• 38:24
  of the charge, which is regulating that exchange. It's like an electrolysis process, you know,
• 38:29
  explained in a simplified way, which means it's a difference of potential inside and outside
• 38:34
  the cells. And then you have the charge and then you can regulate that exchange of ions.
• 38:38
  So all these different factors are dependent on some very basic parameters. The charge of the
• 38:44
  cells have to be sufficient to exchange the sodium potassium mines have to be good enough for
• 38:49
  the production of ATP. The production of ATP fuels a lot of the other essential processes in the
• 38:56
  cells, like even the oxygen optic. So ATP regulates also the CO2 production. And you need to exchange
• 39:04
  oxygen in the hemoglobin with CO2 to release the oxygen from the hemoglobin. Otherwise,
• 39:11
  it will just pass the cells. It won't go into the cells because oxygen is so strongly bound to
• 39:16
  hemoglobin that you have to replace it with CO2. So if you have, let's say, 30% reduction of
• 39:22
  ATP will also have 30% reduction of CO2. And that means you will have 30% less oxygen
• 39:29
  uptake to the cells because you don't have the CO2 to replace it with. And then if you have that
• 39:35
  type of problem, you will also have 30% reduction of nitric oxide, which is a single most important
• 39:43
  factor for your cardiovascular health and for your micro-circulation. There was a Nobel Prize in
• 39:48
  Medicine awarded in 1998 to the scientists who discovered the significance of nitric oxide.
• 39:54
  And all of these factors can develop over time and you can change even the metabolism to a more
• 40:00
  anaerobic metabolism or cellular dysfunction just from factors like too low charge of the cells,
• 40:08
  not exchanging the ions properly, having too much toxic elements in the cells environment,
• 40:13
  which can then influence that exchange of ions, not taking enough oxygen into the cells because
• 40:19
  what happens then, when you shift the metabolism to a more anaerobic metabolism, the cells produce
• 40:24
  more toxic waste. You actually produce free radicals in the cells if you don't maintain an optimal.
• 40:29
  So that's another factor for toxicity. It's what your cells produce when you have an ineffective
• 40:36
  metabolism. So these are just some examples of some very, very fundamental factors that are
• 40:44
  usually much more relevant than your genetic predisposition. So we can measure all of these
• 40:50
  factors. We can fix all of these factors. There are technologies today to very precisely measure
• 40:56
  each and every one of these factors. And we have technologies today, different technologies,
• 41:00
  obviously, because these are completely different factors. So you need different tools for a different
• 41:04
  job. But this is also why we have such a big toolbox. Our toolbox today is 33 state of our
• 41:11
  technologies. And as we are feeling more and more gaps, our toolbox is just increasing because
• 41:17
  we want to be able to address every single aspect of the problem, every single root behind the problem,
• 41:23
  the only root we cannot fix today of what we can assess is the genetic. But luckily,
• 41:31
  that is not a very important one except in very few cases. This is interesting to me. Tell me,
• 41:36
  like you said that you can, you literally can measure the charges on the cell with these technologies
• 41:41
  and then do have technologies that can help someone has a bad charge on the cell. And I've heard
• 41:46
  this stuff. You can, you can actually fix that charge so that these ATP production can come back
• 41:51
  online, and things like that. Correct. But there's all these other aspects that also has to be
• 41:55
  addressed. So if there is a reduced ATP production, which may be a consequence of a low charge,
• 42:01
  bringing the charge up won't fix the ATP production. So we also then need to upregulate the sodium
• 42:06
  potassium exchange to get the ATP production back. And if the low ATP resulted in, let's say,
• 42:12
  cardiovascular problems or micro circulation problems from low nitric oxide accumulated over time,
• 42:19
  then if we get the production back, if you've had 10, 15 years of accumulation and it's such a low
• 42:25
  level that you're really in trouble with with your vascular system and your micro circulation,
• 42:30
  in that case, we also have to top up what you have been lacking for so long. So we can't just
• 42:36
  restore the function that has been dysfunctional for so long that you got into this trouble. We then
• 42:43
  also have to to kind of reverse the damage from that. With certain technologies, we can get
• 42:50
  your production of, let's say, nitric oxide as an example here. We can get that back up. But if you
• 42:56
  had, let's say, 20% reduced production for 10 years. Now you have a lot of consequences of that.
• 43:05
  So we will then need to top up the nitric oxide much more than just bringing the production back
• 43:10
  to the normal production because there's a depletion like the rest of OR is greatly reduced.
• 43:17
  So for that as an example, we have a technology where we can create the nascent nitric oxide gas
• 43:22
  and put that straight in. So it's a 10-minute treatment and you have perfect nitric oxide levels.
• 43:27
  So that's an example of how we address each factor directly. If there's a problem with a charge
• 43:34
  of the cells, well, then we have one technology to bring that up. If there's a problem, then with
• 43:38
  a sodium potassium exchange, we have technology to bring that up. That will automatically then
• 43:43
  bring the ATP production up and there's a whole cascade of things that regulate accordingly.
• 43:48
  But then there's all the consequences of having had that dysfunction for a long time. So then we
• 43:52
  need to do other treatments to fill up the rest of ORs of what is reduced or to deal with those
• 43:58
  consequences because maybe there are health problems now that developed over time because of
• 44:04
  a combination of dysfunctions and then we also have to stimulate self-healing processes to
• 44:10
  reverse that. So there's something very interesting in the body that if you have a problem for a
• 44:16
  long time that your body cannot deal with and if we bring this back to the topic of toxic elements,
• 44:24
  that is an example of this, that if you have a lot of toxicity that you were not able to detox,
• 44:29
  at a certain point your body will give up. So these toxic elements that you should have detoxed
• 44:35
  as you got exposed to them and within the next hours after exposure, you should have detoxed them.
• 44:41
  But if you didn't have the capacity for that because you had an overload, so you had more exposure
• 44:46
  than your ability to detox it, which could also be because you didn't have capacity from other
• 44:51
  things your body had to deal with, maybe in your diet or other challenges that are there.
• 44:56
  So if you have then a lot of some toxic elements now accumulated in the tissue because you didn't
• 45:02
  have the capacity to detox this, then your body will at some point adapt to that as a new norm
• 45:10
  and stop trying. Like why would your body keep fighting and fighting and fighting or keep trying
• 45:16
  and trying and trying to do something that you can't? So the brain will activate these processes
• 45:21
  for a long time even after it seems to be very difficult to handle, but at a certain point,
• 45:27
  your brain will stop trying to activate these processes. So now if you reduce the exposure,
• 45:34
  so theoretically you might have capacity now to detox, but it's not happening because you
• 45:41
  adapted to that situation as the norm. What is now in your tissue is part of what is perceived
• 45:47
  as the norm in your body. So it's no longer enough then to reverse the damage, to reverse
• 45:53
  accumulation, whatever the problem is, if it's toxic elements or something else, if you had it
• 45:59
  for a long time and your body couldn't fix it, your brain will stop trying to activate the processes
• 46:06
  attempting to fix it and adapt to the problem as the norm, and now it's no longer enough to change
• 46:13
  your lifestyle. It's no longer enough to reduce the load, it helps, so you don't accumulate more,
• 46:19
  so you definitely need to start with that, no doubt about that, but now there's also the need
• 46:24
  to reactivate the way the body can process this. We need to get the body to initiate this
• 46:32
  health healing mechanisms that we have that has the potential to fix this. So first remove the
• 46:39
  course, change the situation, so there's a potential for healing it, and then reactivate those
• 46:45
  processes so that we can activate self-healing and detoxing if that is what needs to self-heal.
• 46:53
  So here's the question, you do a keylation challenge with DMSA and some people don't release any
• 46:59
  happy metals, is that why? So if you do a keylation and you don't release heavy metals, it depends
• 47:04
  a little bit what you keylate with, but if you have a high dosage DMSA and there's no heavy metals
• 47:10
  coming out, then chances are that you don't have accumulated heavy metals, and it's not given
• 47:17
  that you have accumulated heavy metals, like you might have mercury that accumulated from a malgam
• 47:24
  fillings, but like I never had a malgam fillings, like I don't have any accumulation from that,
• 47:30
  I've been living clean for a very long time, I've recently done actually a DMSA challenge test
• 47:36
  to see if I had something and it was very clean. As long as your exposure is less than your ability
• 47:44
  to detox, you should not accumulate. So you will only see a result on those tests, generally,
• 47:52
  if you do it right, you will only see things coming out when you have accumulated something for a
• 47:58
  long time. In the tissues from the tissues? Yes, that's good to know. Because if you just do a urine
• 48:04
  test or a blood test, you just see what you've been exposed to kind of the last 48 hours. So you have
• 48:09
  to do the challenge test to release something from the tissue, like we use auto-methodologies,
• 48:14
  like spectroscopy analysis and things like that, but also with that challenge test, which is quite
• 48:19
  a simple easy and good test, then it's the difference between what is in blood and urine,
• 48:27
  and usually urine is enough to do the test. The difference between what is there without the
• 48:32
  challenge and after doing the challenge. That's when you see what have you been exposed to the last
• 48:38
  48 hours and what is it that is stuck in the tissue and was released or some of it was released
• 48:45
  with the MSA. So the MSA is a good way to test, but I don't really like the MSA as a treatment
• 48:54
  modality to, like there are much safer ways of supporting the detox than doing it with MSA,
• 49:00
  but the one off as a test, then there's not really much side effects from the MSA.
• 49:05
  When your body is overloaded with toxins, you're saying that your brain literally stops
• 49:11
  you from detoxing. Yes, or it can happen that your body will give up and adapt to this problem
• 49:19
  as the norm. That doesn't mean that you're no longer detoxing new exposure. It's only what is
• 49:25
  accumulated in the tissue is now perceived as the new norm, it's not a good norm, but still it
• 49:32
  will be silly for the body to try and try and try to fix something that you can't fix.
• 49:36
  So at a certain point, it is the right thing to do to give up so that you can utilize your capacity
• 49:41
  to deal with new threats, whether it's a new threat of toxic elements or other new threats.
• 49:47
  So we need to preserve our capacity to deal with what can be dealt with.
• 49:51
  So do you think most people have accumulated toxins in their body?
• 49:54
  I would say we have to differentiate a little bit geographically on that one. I lived
• 50:00
  48 and a half years in Norway, and we've done most of our work in Norway and then the rest of
• 50:08
  Europe, and I would say no to that question until I came here to the United States. It is not
• 50:14
  common to have toxic elements accumulated. We still would see it sometimes if people had
• 50:20
  something very serious that they were exposed to. We would see it sometimes from
• 50:24
  cavitations. We would see it sometimes from mercury exposure, from a lot of amalgam
• 50:31
  feelings, especially when they remove them without proper protection. So there were certain
• 50:36
  situations. Some people would have a certain work hazard when I got exposed to something,
• 50:41
  but it would be in special situations. It wouldn't be the norm to overload our detox
• 50:47
  capabilities because actually our ability to detox is amazing. We have incredible ability to detox.
• 50:54
  We have all these different functions in our body that play together to deal with the threats
• 51:01
  at hand. So it really takes a lot of exposure, like we are designed as this incredible
• 51:07
  self-healing self-regulating mechanisms, and we are designed to stay healthy and to deal
• 51:12
  with life without getting sick. So for our detox mechanisms to be so overloaded that we start
• 51:22
  accumulating toxic elements, it really takes a lot. Unfortunately, I see after coming to the United
• 51:30
  States and starting to assess people here, I see that it is actually quite common. I'm not sure
• 51:37
  if it's still more common than not, but it seems to me that maybe half of the clients we've
• 51:45
  had so far in the United States have accumulated toxic elements potentially even more.
• 51:50
  Yeah, one of the root causes, main root causes, and it's interesting. I've ran a lot of
• 51:54
  DMSA challenge tests here in the United States, thousands of them through all of our clinics,
• 51:59
  and we would rarely see a clean test, rarely. Yeah, I'm here in the United States, but you know,
• 52:04
  Norway is super clean. If you would do that in Norway, it would be a very different result, yes.
• 52:10
  Which also proves the point that environment matters, the choices we make matters,
• 52:16
  the choices the authorities make matters. Like we are protected also through the legal framework
• 52:23
  where GMO is banned, glyphosate is banned, like so many, the thresholds of pesticides, a lot of
• 52:31
  toxic elements in household products, they're banned in Norway, or there's a very low legal limit.
• 52:38
  And that translates to a clear difference in statistics as poor Americans. Here live in this
• 52:44
  high-tox lifestyle, super stressed, where we don't have chasing the wrong things and not having
• 52:52
  the ability to use our resources to detoxify our bodies. Yes, but I think we're close to changing
• 53:00
  that. There is will now from the health authorities to change this. There's a lot of good
• 53:04
  incentives now to change it. There's more awareness. Podcasts like yours is reaching a lot of people
• 53:13
  and educating on how to make better choices, because ultimately those who make better choices
• 53:21
  will not be accumulating toxic elements. They might already have gotten in trouble with something
• 53:26
  from the past, but there's no need to continue overloading when you have access to information so
• 53:33
  that you can make better choices. So thank you for doing that. You're really helping people.
• 53:38
  Someone finally validated me. I'm not crazy. The crazy non-toxic dad guy. Exactly. And the way
• 53:46
  you educate people, you're reaching more people probably than I've reached with my research.
• 53:53
  Like I have methodologies, but you have a reach to how people make the right choices.
• 53:59
  Yeah, 40 to 50 million people every month. Exactly. I really want to compliment you on that.
• 54:04
  Oh, thank you. Beautiful work. I needed to hear that actually, because it is work and it's fun
• 54:10
  and it's meaningful. And since I have you sitting in this chair and most people in America have
• 54:15
  accumulated toxins, I would say you'd say 50% or more in your beautiful brain of yours,
• 54:21
  keeping it really scientific based on your current data. Let's go after some detox methods
• 54:26
  that everybody's doing. And one of the biggest one, ion foot baths. Good or bad?
• 54:30
  Ion foot bath cannot release anything that is bonded to the tissue in the body.
• 54:37
  But if you have something that can release the bonds, then it might be helpful to use an ion foot
• 54:43
  bath. But you have to use the stronger ones. The 12 volts one, they don't manage to pull out
• 54:49
  really anything. But the 24 and 32 volt systems, most of what is out there is just not very good.
• 54:55
  But there are systems that can be of benefit. If you first break the electrochemical bonds that
• 55:02
  heavy metals, for example, have in the tissue and then afterwards do a foot bath. So back in the
• 55:08
  days, it's probably like 20 years ago, we did some experiments with that and we measured the vapor
• 55:13
  coming from the foot baths and the mercury vapor after we did a treatment to release mercury
• 55:18
  bonds in the body. The mercury vapor from the 32 volt foot bath was so high that we had to put a special
• 55:27
  mercury filtration that they use in the dental clinics, which really proves that the methodology
• 55:33
  has a validity when it's done right. But by itself, it doesn't do anything. There was no mercury
• 55:39
  vapor. If you only use the foot bath, you first have to release the electrochemical bonds
• 55:44
  that mercury has in the tissue. And then you can help pull it out if you have a very strong
• 55:48
  foot bath. So what about someone who's, it's not an accumulated toxin and they just got exposed
• 55:53
  to they eat sushi the night before and then they did a foot bath. Would it help? I seriously doubt
• 55:59
  that. So foot baths don't work unless you break the bond. That is our experience. That's
• 56:05
  your experience. Well, okay, let's go. And even then, you need the very powerful foot baths.
• 56:09
  Yeah, the 32 volt. Oh, 24 can have some effect too. Okay. And all right, let's
• 56:15
  say. And it depends on what the coil is made from. I mean, there's many factors there.
• 56:19
  What's the best coil? Because I know people are going to ask. No, I'm not going to talk about
• 56:25
  specific brands. Oh, no, I don't want to talk about by methodologies. The coil should completely
• 56:32
  break down after 10 to 15 sessions. If you have a coil that lasts you 50 sessions, it's not a good
• 56:38
  foot bath. Understood. Love it. Far infrared sauna. Good or bad for detox. So any type of sauna
• 56:46
  can help one detox pathway, which is sweating things out through the skin. Now, most toxic elements
• 56:54
  in the body cannot really go out that pathway. But some can. And if you have those toxic elements
• 57:02
  that can go out through that pathway, then yeah, it can be beneficial. And also it's non-invasive.
• 57:10
  So that is definitely methodology that has some validity. But you also need to know that there's
• 57:16
  a lot of things that has electrochemical bonds in the body or that sticks in way where it cannot
• 57:22
  go that way or it needs a completely different detox pathways. So you cannot detox everything with a
• 57:27
  sauna, but there are certain things where it's actually very helpful. We talked about malt toxicity,
• 57:34
  micro toxins. That's where it has some degree of effectiveness. And that is one of the biggest
• 57:42
  threats that we typically see. And it can have some effects. Yeah, I would like things to be more
• 57:50
  effective than that. I'm a big fan of things that just directly fix it. We're working on that
• 57:55
  together. Exactly. We are going to do most of the technologies. We see something that just
• 58:00
  directly goes in and fixes things. And that excites me. And if you have to go into a sauna like
• 58:08
  200 times to then measure a difference, then it doesn't excite me as much. But you can have a good
• 58:15
  experience also in the sauna. And I think that's also important. It's to have a good time in life.
• 58:20
  Like if you and your spouse can have a beautiful time in the sauna and it's a relaxing time and you
• 58:27
  can have those conversations that you don't find time for otherwise in life. Like make it fun.
• 58:36
  I love it. So yeah, there's the bus study. Blood urine and sweat. And you know, they measured
• 58:40
  things like BPA, Mercury. I know that for sure in the bus study. But I think a lot of the times
• 58:47
  when it comes to sweat, you probably would like when you drink alcohol, you notice that your skin
• 58:53
  reeks of alcohol because your liver can't handle it. So you're breathing it out, you're sweating it
• 58:58
  out, you're trashing your body. So I'm not going to I'd love to go down that road. But let's keep on
• 59:04
  the detox train here of effective detox methods. What do you think about say a liver cleanse or
• 59:11
  a kidney cleanse? Like do you think those are effective detox technologies? If you need a liver
• 59:16
  cleanse, you can have a good effectiveness from a liver cleanse. But that will only help with
• 59:24
  some liver functions. So if you have something toxic that is bound to the tissue in an electrochemical
• 59:30
  bond or in some form of bond, it doesn't reach the liver. So for any type of therapy addressing
• 59:40
  the liver, it will only have a validity if the toxic elements actually reaches the liver. And
• 59:46
  the same with the kidneys. Anything you do for the kidneys can help with the toxic elements that
• 59:51
  reaches the kidneys. And a lot of times that can be very relevant. But sometimes you have toxic
• 59:59
  elements that don't reach the detox organs and that's why they accumulate. And that's when they
• 1:00:04
  can really cause much more harm to the tissue is when they're not being detoxed. So why is it so
• 1:00:10
  damaging to have toxins in your tissues? At the cellular level, so the tissue consists of cells.
• 1:00:15
  And at the cellular level, there's such a fine balance. Like what is happening there is absolutely
• 1:00:21
  marvelous where you have this exchange of ions where the cells produce their own energy. And you
• 1:00:29
  have seven of the eight steps of the metabolism of these aerobic steps where you then take up
• 1:00:36
  oxygen into the cells. And you have the mitochondria that regulates a lot of the processes. And it's
• 1:00:42
  a fine balance between many factors. And many of these factors are dependent on the exchange of
• 1:00:48
  ions over the cell membranes. And that is dependent on more than just the charge that we talked about
• 1:00:54
  previously. It's also dependent on the balance in the interstitial fluid. So cells are surrounded by
• 1:01:01
  interstitial fluid. It's like an electrolytic saltwater surrounding of the cells. And if you have
• 1:01:07
  toxic elements there, what happens is that it's shifting that balance in the interstitial fluid.
• 1:01:14
  And that will impact the ability to exchange ions over the cell membranes. So you're interfering
• 1:01:20
  with a very function of the cells through changing the environment outside the cells.
• 1:01:26
  Now that's not the only. You can also have toxic elements that can trigger an inflammatory
• 1:01:32
  response. And when you have an inflammatory response also, you're creating a suboptimal
• 1:01:36
  situation where also that inflammatory response can actually deplete the charge of the cells.
• 1:01:42
  So that will over time. Like when you have inflammation for a very long time with talking
• 1:01:47
  months, that will deplete the charge of the cells, which will also then influence that exchange
• 1:01:54
  of ions. So there are multiple pathways for how toxins can have a direct impact on the cellular
• 1:02:01
  function. So what about toxins directly attaching to hormone receptors like thyroid receptors?
• 1:02:08
  Do you find that that's a major interference?
• 1:02:11
  Yeah, it's almost an epidemia now of hypothyroidism or Hashimoto's or any type of thyroid problem.
• 1:02:18
  And what we typically see is that that is actually the category of health problems that is most
• 1:02:25
  commonly associated with toxic elements. And very often that is associated with cavitations.
• 1:02:32
  So that's another toxic exposure we didn't really talk much about. But it seems that in this
• 1:02:37
  country the threshold for giving a root canal is very low. The threshold for removing wisdom teeth
• 1:02:43
  even if they don't need to be removed is very low. So if teeth are removed without doing it
• 1:02:48
  properly or a root canal is not done properly or it can actually cause problems even when it is done
• 1:02:56
  as good as it can be done. Then there can be these cavitations and infections in porous
• 1:03:03
  bone. And there can be bacteria there that will then release these toxins.
• 1:03:11
  And these toxins will then sometimes be picked up by the lymphatic system and find its way to the
• 1:03:18
  thyroid in sometimes to the breasts. This is also a common factor we see involved with breast cancer
• 1:03:24
  development. And it's a very common factor involved with thyroid challenges, especially when there
• 1:03:32
  are even like nodules and things developing on the thyroid. So we do a cone beam CT scan as part
• 1:03:40
  of our standard assessments with all these different technologies. We do that's one of the tests we do
• 1:03:46
  to see if there are cavitations or problematic root canals that could be part of the problem.
• 1:03:52
  And we also do assessments of the lymphatic system in that whole region to see if there is an
• 1:03:58
  accumulation of toxic elements which might come from a dental origin. And with thyroid problems,
• 1:04:07
  I would say that is the type of problem that most commonly is associated with toxicity.
• 1:04:14
  But it's more commonly associated with cavitations and root canals than external exposure of
• 1:04:21
  toxic elements through air and food and other sources. Yeah. The American dental association
• 1:04:27
  just fights tooth and nail when it comes to the safety of root canals bait. And so if you're
• 1:04:34
  listening to this and you're dentist going to tell you they're just fine, no matter almost
• 1:04:38
  even functional dentists, some of them would agree that that they're fine. So if you're listening to
• 1:04:44
  this, I 100% agree with you. We've seen it in the clinics that we've worked with. It's a tough
• 1:04:51
  topic for someone to swallow that they're dentist and a dentist is not going to want to change because
• 1:04:56
  his brain wants to protect himself. But they're over time that root canal is going to go bad. Like
• 1:05:03
  you said, you said it really softly and safely, but it could be safe for a while. But at some point
• 1:05:09
  this bacteria is going to set in. I have a friend who is a dental surgeon and he specializes in
• 1:05:17
  cavitations and restoring problematic root canals. And what he told me is that there was a
• 1:05:25
  a recent study where I found eight out of 10 root canals that had been made in this country. I think
• 1:05:32
  it was the last 10 years. And we're not the right procedure for the client. So those root canals
• 1:05:39
  were chosen because it was more profitable for the dental clinic to do a root canal than to do
• 1:05:44
  other procedures. And that really pisses me off. Excuse my language that you know sometimes maybe
• 1:05:51
  you have to do something and maybe root canal is a favorable option because it will be too expensive
• 1:05:59
  to do something else. But to have a situation where eight out of 10 root canals, if this is
• 1:06:06
  correct, which I assume I trust this dental surgeon, to have eight out of 10 root canals made
• 1:06:12
  just for the profitability of the clinic. And it's not the best procedure for the client.
• 1:06:17
  When I've seen so many cases, I would say hundreds, if not even thousands, through the years where
• 1:06:23
  people have infected root canals as one of the causes of disease, then we should not allow this
• 1:06:32
  to happen. Either we need to make better regulations or the industry itself have to clean up
• 1:06:39
  or people have to start asking more questions. And I think that is ultimately the best way when it
• 1:06:44
  comes to toxic exposure. I think we the consumers have to make the right choices. If your dentist says,
• 1:06:52
  oh, we need to make a root canal, don't just say, oh yeah, okay, ask questions, ask other other
• 1:06:59
  possibilities. Is it absolutely necessary? Is there a different way we can do this? Say that you
• 1:07:05
  don't want the root canal and probably odds are quite good that you will escape that root canal.
• 1:07:14
  And also, if your dentist tells you you have to remove your wisdom teeth or your child's wisdom teeth
• 1:07:20
  that, oh, it's time now to remove your wisdom teeth, don't just take that as an answer, verify,
• 1:07:27
  check it. Why do we have to remove the wisdom teeth? Show me the pictures, consult another specialist
• 1:07:34
  because a lot of wisdom teeth are also removed. First of all, in a way that is not safe and
• 1:07:39
  secondly, where it wasn't even necessary. Like, why would we willingly expose ourselves to something
• 1:07:47
  that can make us sick if it's not necessary? At the traumatic surgery, you go under, which is
• 1:07:53
  hard on your body. Yeah. And a lot of these wisdom teeth removals aren't even impacted.
• 1:07:59
  You're probably impacting, I mean, you have a reason, you have these teeth, they're not poison,
• 1:08:04
  you know, you're just we rip out organs, we rip out teeth and don't think of the unintended
• 1:08:09
  consequences. And I like what you're saying is that we, like if you're listening to this, you
• 1:08:14
  might disagree with us, but fight for the best answer. I don't know how many times I've talked to
• 1:08:20
  my parents, surgeries are unnecessary and a lot of these things fix, you know, shoulder surgeries,
• 1:08:28
  knee surgeries, these things are high dollar ticket items, they're driving Bentley's guys,
• 1:08:33
  driving Bentley's on your surgery. And a lot of the times I would say, surgery is necessary and
• 1:08:44
  it does help you. We'll throw a number out there, but 50% of the time, you might not have to have
• 1:08:49
  that. Yeah. You know, when you need a surgery, it's amazing that we have such skilled surgeons
• 1:08:58
  who can do a very good surgery when the surgery is needed. So, I mean, we shouldn't say anything
• 1:09:04
  negative about that. The problem is that a lot of times surgeries are made that should not be made,
• 1:09:10
  it is not for the benefits of you, it's done for a different reason. And I think that's where we
• 1:09:18
  have to make some changes. And you can find out just by asking more questions, have a second opinion.
• 1:09:24
  And if you're wondering if you have a cavitation or if you have a problem with a root canal,
• 1:09:31
  today there are ways of checking that. Like what we do is that we use a CBCT scan with high
• 1:09:38
  resolution and very, very low radiation compared to normal CT. It's a Japanese technology that
• 1:09:46
  actually came out this year, the latest generation of it. And what we also do, when necessary,
• 1:09:52
  we do an HD thermography. Because if you have an infection there in the jaw, you can also see a
• 1:09:58
  heat imprint there that you can pick up on the thermography. So, there are ways to check. And I
• 1:10:04
  think that's a good idea. If you're wondering if you have a problem. So, the first thing is try to
• 1:10:08
  avoid getting in trouble in the first place by asking more questions, maybe having a second opinion.
• 1:10:14
  And if you're already wondering if you're in trouble, just have a check.
• 1:10:20
  Yeah. And if it's if it's your family dentist or your family surgeon and their friend,
• 1:10:26
  just ask questions. Like it just because someone tells you whatever it is, I say this all the time.
• 1:10:31
  It just because there's someone in authority, your pastor, you know, or telling you something,
• 1:10:36
  it's okay to question things. It's okay to have dialogue. And through good question asking,
• 1:10:43
  you might get a different answer. It was like actually we can just pull the tooth and you'll
• 1:10:46
  be fine or whatever. But also different assessments because it's very important to acknowledge
• 1:10:51
  X-rays cannot see this. Like your dentist will do an X-ray. Maybe a panoramic X-ray. You can't see
• 1:10:56
  it there. You need a CT or another methodology is to see it. It has to be extremely bad
• 1:11:04
  to show up on an X-ray. And when that is the standard approach to assess it,
• 1:11:10
  and it's only the worst possible cases that will show there, then you just need a second opinion,
• 1:11:17
  you know, done with a different technology. So I think as we wrap up, I want to encourage people
• 1:11:24
  to understand that we do have self-healing mechanisms. Evolutionary divine by God,
• 1:11:34
  creator, whatever you believe, there is no questioning the power inside of us. And there's
• 1:11:40
  these interferences, toxicities, surgeries that we shouldn't have. And genetics being the weakest,
• 1:11:47
  not weakest, maybe a secondary. So there's so much hope. And the hope really relies on you.
• 1:11:54
  And in the individual of asking questions, asking different questions, not believing that,
• 1:12:01
  let's just talk about the standard dishwashing method where we're using toxic perfumes and
• 1:12:06
  fragrances and antimicrobials and plastic brushes that are releasing microplastics that are
• 1:12:14
  accumulating in our tissues and organs that are leading to degenerative conditions, heart disease,
• 1:12:19
  linked to Alzheimer's. And we're saying this is our standard of care and you're not questioning it.
• 1:12:24
  And I think the reason that people in America don't question it is because when you do,
• 1:12:32
  you're shamed. You're shamed when you say, I have a Modi house because the real estate agents
• 1:12:38
  say to you, you're crazy. Mode is fine. A little mode. Mode is everywhere. You're right.
• 1:12:43
  70% of American homes are Modi because we don't build our homes correctly. Again, in Norway,
• 1:12:50
  how do you build homes? Now, there is also mold in the air outside. So there is a little bit mold
• 1:12:56
  exposure in nature too. So what we have to make sure is that the mold levels inside the house
• 1:13:02
  should not exceed the outdoor levels. And also some types of mold are much worse than other forms of
• 1:13:08
  mold. So certainly with the bad ones, we have to make sure we don't have higher levels indoors.
• 1:13:13
  Sometimes people can have like 20 X levels indoors. And that is where you really get in trouble.
• 1:13:20
  But to get it to zero mold is kind of impossible considering that there's mold in the air everywhere.
• 1:13:25
  True. But there are simple home tests even you can do to check if you have mold in your house.
• 1:13:30
  That's a first step is to if you could just do a simple mode test. If the mold is sporing out and
• 1:13:36
  there's there's complications and mold testing in America is tough. We could go down that path
• 1:13:43
  because sometimes they'll say, oh, look, your air samples are fine. And the crawl space is loaded
• 1:13:48
  with furry fuzzy mold. It's just not it's just not releasing the spores into the home. So there
• 1:13:54
  is some weird complications. But what you inhale is what is in the air. So I would still say air
• 1:13:59
  testing is the most relevant test in America. It just seems like we're using drywall. I don't
• 1:14:09
  know if you noticed that we're in Florida and we have drywall and it's guaranteed over 50%
• 1:14:15
  humidity inside of this room that we're in right now. There's no chance that mold isn't growing
• 1:14:21
  on the back of drywall. Do you even use drywall in Norway? Like we do here in America to use like
• 1:14:27
  standard gypsum board like this. It's quite common also in Norway. But in Norway it's mandatory
• 1:14:33
  to have proper circulation of the air and to pull in outdoor air through a very sophisticated
• 1:14:40
  filtering system. And every room needs to have ventilation and it has to be balanced so
• 1:14:46
  you don't have a higher pressure or lower pressure. Like all the guidelines you cannot get permission
• 1:14:53
  to build a house or even to live in an old house if you don't have proper systems to make sure
• 1:14:58
  that the air quality is quite optimal. That here in America you have to be essentially an expert
• 1:15:04
  in that to do that that like using a return air ventilating system and balancing the pressure
• 1:15:12
  so that you're not causing condensation and all those tricks you have to pay thousands and thousands
• 1:15:17
  of extra dollars and find the right expert to install that. You cannot make a house,
• 1:15:24
  sell a house, rent out the house unless you have all of that and everything needs to be certified.
• 1:15:31
  Oh my gosh here in America we're pushing moldy homes you can't get out of the lease.
• 1:15:37
  The realtor is always right and a mold is a literally there's no there's no regulation. So people
• 1:15:45
  that are really sick. I don't know if you found that here in with some of the because you just
• 1:15:49
  started opening a clinic in Malibu to do this work. I mean if you found that it's hard to break
• 1:15:55
  leases and get out of homes if if someone's living in mold because they say that it's not a big deal.
• 1:16:01
  But it can also be fixed. So what we typically recommend is that if you have a mold in the house
• 1:16:06
  to just fix it and you don't necessarily need to have these very expensive companies to do it
• 1:16:12
  because it actually isn't that difficult. So I've helped a lot of our clients with the methodologies
• 1:16:18
  for how to fix a physical removal. You need physical removal and then you need to use a
• 1:16:25
  fogger for the ventilation systems and change the filters and then you can also need their areas
• 1:16:31
  and then you should remove carpets because you won't really ever get things out of the carpets.
• 1:16:36
  Just some some simple steps you know it might take you a few days but it's not rocket science.
• 1:16:42
  Yeah it needs it needs to be done and it can be done if it's if it's done with some diligent.
• 1:16:48
  Yeah and and if you have mold because of a water leakage of course you have to fix that water leakage
• 1:16:53
  but you need that also for other reasons and the mold. So if someone has accumulated toxins which
• 1:16:58
  is most people in America how would you suggest to get them out? So the first thing is to make sure
• 1:17:03
  you don't continue to overload your detox mechanisms because if you still keep accumulating
• 1:17:09
  there's no way you can get your body to start detoxing what is already accumulated in the tissue
• 1:17:15
  and you shouldn't. You need to make sure you can get rid of as much as possible of what you're
• 1:17:20
  exposed to and if that is consuming all your capacity for detox then there is no possibility
• 1:17:27
  really to detox more. So in that case you need to reduce the overload, make healthier choices,
• 1:17:34
  reduce the exposures and potentially improve your detox organs. So your liver can take out more,
• 1:17:42
  your kidneys can take out more, the lymphatic system can pick up more. So it could be that you have
• 1:17:49
  accumulated not just because of overexposure but also because of a weakened function of liver
• 1:17:55
  or kidneys or the lymphatic system being congested. So you might want to improve those organs but
• 1:18:04
  this can be checked if you don't have an issue with any of them you just need to make sure that
• 1:18:09
  you don't keep overloading with your exposure. If you have problems with one or more of the detox
• 1:18:15
  organs or functions you have to improve that function also so that you have the capacity to detox
• 1:18:21
  as much as you need to detox and you might also in a period where you need to detox you might also
• 1:18:27
  want to improve your capacity by improving your lifestyle in other ways eat healthier so you don't
• 1:18:33
  consume too much capacity dealing with bad stuff in your food and do other things to also build
• 1:18:40
  more capacity that you can then utilize for the detox processes. But number one is to make sure
• 1:18:45
  before you start releasing accumulated toxic elements you have to make sure that your detox
• 1:18:52
  capability has the capacity to to then take out of the body what you release which means
• 1:18:59
  reduce the load make sure your detox functions are good and when you now have a lot of surplus
• 1:19:05
  of capacity for detoxing then you can release toxic elements from the tissue because now it has
• 1:19:11
  a potential to find its way out of the body so that needs to be checked also first that before
• 1:19:18
  we start releasing at least substantial amounts or something that is very toxic from the tissue
• 1:19:23
  you have to make sure that you have the capacity to then eliminate that out of the body afterwards
• 1:19:30
  and then to get this out of the body when you're at that stage there's a lot that can be done.
• 1:19:36
  You have some products that seems really amazing we talked about so now that can potentially help
• 1:19:42
  we have some very sophisticated technologies where we can break those electrical chemical bonds
• 1:19:48
  of certain toxic elements and that's extremely effective for very specific toxic elements but then
• 1:19:54
  we need to know exactly what it is we also have methodologies to to test and optimize the function of
• 1:20:00
  the detox organ so there's a lot that can be done with technologies in a very very fast and
• 1:20:06
  effective way there are things that you can do at home such as with your products with so on us
• 1:20:14
  and methodologies do exist but you need to have the awareness of what needs to be addressed you
• 1:20:23
  need to reduce the overloading you need to choose the right methodologies for the situation based
• 1:20:28
  on what it is that is accumulated you need to make the right choices basically what I love about
• 1:20:33
  what you just shared is that the decisions that we make each and every day is increasing our capacity
• 1:20:41
  to live a better life whether that's toxicity the food choices or increasing capacity for our divine
• 1:20:48
  healing symphony to play that perfect music and it will we start making these simple choices to
• 1:20:54
  increase our capacity to live and fully function so exactly yeah this has been a wonderful
• 1:21:02
  conversation and I can't wait to have you back on the show so you've been flying under the radar
• 1:21:08
  for the last 20 30 years so how can people reach out and find you so here in the US we have now a
• 1:21:14
  clinic in Malibu at the Malibu Plus right across the pier and we have set up a website there it's
• 1:21:22
  health optimizing malibu.com and there's contact information there there's a little bit of information
• 1:21:30
  very very little we still for the most part flying under the radar but at least that's how
• 1:21:39
  you can find us yeah here in the US in Europe we have a bigger organization the website is health
• 1:21:47
  optimizing.com so that's the pathway to find us there in United States it's a different organization
• 1:21:54
  and we only have this one clinic at this point but in the coming years you will hear a lot about us
• 1:22:02
  we are not going to stay under the radar very long so it's been an honor to be a part of your
• 1:22:07
  journey to be so early on in what you're doing here in United States and I appreciate you coming
• 1:22:12
  on the show and I look forward to having you back on in the future thank you so much Thomas thank you