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Issue 370: The Anakin Decision · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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Speaker 3: So Matt Tonight's topic, and it springs out of a
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Speaker 3: discussion that we had previous to our crossover episode of
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Speaker 3: Aggressive Negotiations with the six point two Club, where we
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Speaker 3: discussed our reactions to the Accolyte. Going back to episode one,
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Speaker 3: there's a fateful decision. Of course it happens. We all
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Speaker 3: know obi Wan Kenobi had to wind up training Anakin Skywalker.
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Speaker 3: So the question becomes, especially given the feelings of danger
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Speaker 3: about his training that Yoda voices, why wasn't Yoda the
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Speaker 3: one that took on Anakin's training.
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Speaker 1: Ever since that you brought this, uh, this question to mind,
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Speaker 1: it's something that I've been thinking about quite a bit,
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Speaker 1: and I wonder if one of the reasons that he
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Speaker 1: did not do the training is because you know, even
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Speaker 1: even though Obi Wan was young, that he did trust
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Speaker 1: obi Wan to be able to do the job. And
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Speaker 1: that's that's really because I've been thinking about this a lot,
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Speaker 1: and I honestly very much struggled to figure out the answer.
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Speaker 1: Because when we think about the question of whether or not,
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Speaker 1: you know, Anakin is the chosen one, the fact that
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Speaker 1: the Council is very divided on this subject, and even
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Speaker 1: you know Yoda himself does not agree. Why wouldn't you
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Speaker 1: have placed this kid in the hands of the most
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Speaker 1: senior Jedi possible, the one with the most experience of
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Speaker 1: dealing with Jedi I'm sure, from across a variety of
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Speaker 1: emotional spectrums over the you know, however, many hundreds of years.
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Speaker 1: He's been training Jedi, eight hundred years by the time
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Speaker 1: of Imperetrek's back, and so that that, I mean, that's
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Speaker 1: the only thing that I could come up with, was
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Speaker 1: that he trusted obi Wan enough he had a sense
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Speaker 1: of who obi Wan was going to be as a Jedi,
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Speaker 1: I mean, and the Jedi we see obi Wan to
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Speaker 1: be by the end is kind of the quintessential Jedi.
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Speaker 1: What they're looking for, right, He's able to detach himself
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Speaker 1: from emotion when needed, and yet still very much care
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Speaker 1: about people when needed. And m hm, that's exactly what
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Speaker 1: they're looking for. Right kind of what Anakin says in
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Speaker 1: episode two. You mightn't say we're encouraged to love why
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Speaker 1: because Obione seems to really care about everyone, yet at
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Speaker 1: the same time as not just treating anyone special or
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Speaker 1: letting his emotions get the better of him in too
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Speaker 1: many ways. And so I don't know what about you,
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Speaker 1: because I know obviously you've been thinking about this question
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Speaker 1: for like a couple of weeks. Did you come up
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Speaker 1: with any answers to this question?
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Speaker 3: Actually, I have a couple of answers in mind, one
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Speaker 3: of which leans into a ret kon of sorts that
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Speaker 3: was already introduced to the series with the introduction of
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Speaker 3: Count Dooku. Because we see no sign of Doku until
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Speaker 3: episode two, come to find out he was Yoda's apprentice. Uh,
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Speaker 3: and we come to find out they fill in the story. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: we didn't see him at Qui Gon's funeral, but it
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Speaker 3: is because he quit in't you know? He quit in
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Speaker 3: disgust or dismay or whatever. Now we know there's more
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Speaker 3: shading to that story. But the cover story that Duku
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Speaker 3: at least gave was I can't believe in the Jedi
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Speaker 3: order anymore. I'm out that was the original story is given,
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Speaker 3: and it's sort of the cover story he can use.
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Speaker 3: I quit because I don't like the way the Jedi
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Speaker 3: are going, and look at what happened to Qui Gon.
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Speaker 3: Given the fact that we don't know the specific moment
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Speaker 3: in time, necessarily that the news is delivered or accepted
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Speaker 3: by the Jedi Council, Tales of the Jedi didn't cover that,
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Speaker 3: like they didn't show him going back and quitting or
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Speaker 3: anything like that. I think that you could extrapolate from
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Speaker 3: that that Douku's departure coincided with decision time, and maybe
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Speaker 3: Yoda felt Douku leaving or the troubles Duku had been having,
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Speaker 3: or any of those other things had instilled some self
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Speaker 3: doubt about how his apprentice turned out. That's one that
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Speaker 3: I kind of like. The other is that I think
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Speaker 3: we might we could probably write into this. And I
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Speaker 3: know the thing is, I have a friend of mine.
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Speaker 3: I know that if he hears this, he's gonna lose
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Speaker 3: his mind because he'll be like, no, it was only
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Speaker 3: that way because Lucas knew it had to be that way.
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Speaker 3: It's like, well, yes, at the end of the day,
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Speaker 3: we already know Obi Wan trains Anakin. It's got to
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Speaker 3: be that way. But if we're creating this story thing,
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Speaker 3: maybe it shows a character flaw in Yoda, in how
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Speaker 3: stubborn he is, because even when Luke comes to him,
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Speaker 3: he doesn't want to train him because he's too old.
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Speaker 3: Maybe Yoda, on a couple of things, is too strict
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Speaker 3: in his interpretation of the rules and he says, fine,
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Speaker 3: you can train him. I'm not going anywhere near it
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Speaker 3: because he's too old. And Yoda is maybe advanced enough
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Speaker 3: in age that he's that sort of cranky old guy
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Speaker 3: that's like, fine, it's gonna fail and you gotta watch
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Speaker 3: it fail, you know, Like there's that little part of
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Speaker 3: him that's a flaw.
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Speaker 1: So what you're saying is is that Yoda is the
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Speaker 1: conscious pilot of the Star Wars galaxy. He washes his
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Speaker 1: hands of this, and I'm not responsible, not my fault.
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't. The thing is, I wouldn't want to cast
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Speaker 3: it that way, But I mean that's one way to
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Speaker 3: take it. Maybe another way to take it is that
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Speaker 3: because he sees so much promise in Obi Wan that
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Speaker 3: we know later and maybe this is a context clue
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Speaker 3: that Lucas and Filonian crew were giving us. With the
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Speaker 3: Clone Wars, Anakin is given Ahska to give him the
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Speaker 3: chance to grow and mature into the Jedi they want
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Speaker 3: him to be. Maybe that's why Anakin just essentially ends
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Speaker 3: up with Obi Wan. Is obi Wan's like I promised
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Speaker 3: him that he'd be trained, and Yoda said, okay, you
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Speaker 3: want that responsibility? Then yeah, you thought it, you bought it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, And I think, you know, the most interesting
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Speaker 1: thing about this is that as impetuous is Anakin can be,
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Speaker 1: I think think what we see, you know, at least
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Speaker 1: until the Clone Wars begins, is that Anakin, while though
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Speaker 1: a little hot headed, is definitely learning, I think, to
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Speaker 1: be a good Jedi knight, you know, and he absolutely
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Speaker 1: cares about people, maybe a little bit too much in
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Speaker 1: all of that. And I think the beauty of this
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Speaker 1: is this.
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Speaker 3: Is that.
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Speaker 1: There is always a chance for Anakin, right except the
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Speaker 1: problem becomes with the character. And you know, obviously this
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Speaker 1: is the story of the character, is that he always
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Speaker 1: has the choice to do the right thing, and he
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Speaker 1: is a person who chooses to not do that. And
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Speaker 1: I think that's what is fascinating is that, you know,
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Speaker 1: Obi Wan is continually offering him grace to be able
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Speaker 1: to do the right thing. The Jedi Council is continually
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Speaker 1: offering Anakin grace to do the right thing. In fact,
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Speaker 1: you know, I think, like you said, that's one of
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Speaker 1: the reasons he's given Ahsoka as a padawan, because they
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Speaker 1: are testing him to see if he can learn the
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Speaker 1: lesson to which they instinctively know. Anakin needs to be
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Speaker 1: able to get through his head, which is that he
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Speaker 1: needs to be able to become close to somebody and
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Speaker 1: that at the same time be able to let go.
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Speaker 1: And maybe, you know, maybe we could reframe this in
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Speaker 1: some senses of that's actually what Yoda is portraying, right,
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Speaker 1: which is the idea of letting go. And you know
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Speaker 1: which is interesting because you know, when we think of
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Speaker 1: that wonderful self reflective nature of obi Wan saying I
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Speaker 1: thought I could train him just as well as Yoda,
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Speaker 1: I was wrong. And so that there is a bit
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Speaker 1: of slight arrogance in the character of obi Wan, where
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Speaker 1: he believed himself to be ready for a thing that
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Speaker 1: he realizes in retrospect he was not ready for, and
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Speaker 1: so that there was a bit of pride in him,
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Speaker 1: and that's something that has been beat out of him
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Speaker 1: by the end, which is, you know, really interesting because
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Speaker 1: you know, when we take into account the lines that
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Speaker 1: were taken out of the Empire strikes back where you know,
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Speaker 1: return of Jeddi, Yeah, sorry, where you know, he talks
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Speaker 1: about he wanted to tell Luke and he was told
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Speaker 1: not to, which is fascinating because I think that actually
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Speaker 1: brings Obi Wan full circle to being the only character
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Speaker 1: who had completely learned all of the lessons from his mistakes,
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Speaker 1: which is I think really fascinating. And so I always
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Speaker 1: kind of have that in my head Canaan as that
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Speaker 1: being the character, and and so I love that though,
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Speaker 1: like you you kind of pinpointing that because in a
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Speaker 1: lot of ways, I think maybe this comes down to
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Speaker 1: the Jedi living up to their best ideals and almost
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Speaker 1: getting hoisted on their own petards because what happens they
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Speaker 1: give maybe grace to a character who really truly was
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Speaker 1: just too old to be trained and too old to
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Speaker 1: be able to let go, and yeah, that's what leads
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Speaker 1: to their ruin, you know, and oh no doubt, no doubt,
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Speaker 1: and and and it and it shows then that it
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Speaker 1: can be the best thing for somebody to not give
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Speaker 1: them exactly what they want, which is the character of Anakin, right,
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Speaker 1: he wants to be a Jedi. But it's like, that
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Speaker 1: isn't actually the right path for you?
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean we yeah, I mean we've discussed that,
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Speaker 3: and that that that I think is one of the
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Speaker 3: richest topics of the entire series is how else they
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Speaker 3: could have handled it. And I like this idea mining
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Speaker 3: on the idea of Yoda giving Obi Wan the opportunity
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Speaker 3: to train Anakin as a way to help mature him
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Speaker 3: along to their mutual benefit. But additionally, I think we
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Speaker 3: also should contextualize Yoda says grave danger I fear in
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Speaker 3: his training. But I don't think the grave danger that
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Speaker 3: Yoda fears is he had some sort of vision that
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Speaker 3: Anakin would lead to the wholesale slaughter of everybody and
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Speaker 3: the fall of the Republic itself. Right, It's one thing
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Speaker 3: to have an if he feeling about something and be like, ah,
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Speaker 3: this isn't so great. So like, you know, even even
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Speaker 3: when I'm talking about the possibility of Yoda being stubborn,
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Speaker 3: there's no way he's thinking anything worse than yeah, you know,
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Speaker 3: if this goes wrong, it's nothing we can't really We've
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Speaker 3: had we've had people go wrong before we can handle this,
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Speaker 3: this will be okay. And I think he just you know, Yoda.
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Speaker 3: So Yoda's focus was so much on the Anakin part
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Speaker 3: of it, it wasn't enough on the Republican part of it,
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Speaker 3: or really listening to what the Force might have been
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Speaker 3: trying to tell him. But I like this idea too,
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Speaker 3: of Yoda making sure obi Wan ends up with him
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Speaker 3: and all of that, because the next logical thing is, well,
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Speaker 3: Yoda could say no, but why wouldn't mace Windo, who
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Speaker 3: basically is second only to Yoda on the Council, be like, okay, fine,
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Speaker 3: that I am right, and so on and so forth
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Speaker 3: down the council line. But if there's this united consensus of, well,
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Speaker 3: we give a new Night a Potawan to help that
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Speaker 3: night develop further, it all really kind of makes sense
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Speaker 3: in that aspect, especially because you know, Anakin's, like you
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Speaker 3: were talking about, Anakin's path to the Jedi is very
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Speaker 3: non traditional, and there would be at least a some
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Speaker 3: sort of positive bond already between Obi Wan and Anakin
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Speaker 3: because Qui Gon was the uniting factor between the two
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Speaker 3: of them, and so they have sort of a a
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Speaker 3: head start on forming a bond since they have that
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Speaker 3: to share, that sort of thing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, I think the most interesting part
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Speaker 1: about this too is that you can always see I think,
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Speaker 1: especially episode two, really does a great job of showing
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Speaker 1: the way in which obi Wan is working to shave
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Speaker 1: off all of Anakin's rough edges and the rebuffing that
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Speaker 1: Anakin gives to that, right, And I think it's fascinating
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Speaker 1: to me because, you know, by the by episode two,
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Speaker 1: I think in some ways, obi Wan seems to be
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Speaker 1: almost exacerbated. He's like he's reached the limit of patients
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Speaker 1: with Anakin. He seems to have found almost like a
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Speaker 1: lack of like I don't I don't know what else
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Speaker 1: to try with this kid, you know, in the same
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Speaker 1: way that every parent kind of reaches a lot of
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Speaker 1: times with their teenagers, like I don't know what else,
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Speaker 1: I don't know what to do this kid, And that's
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Speaker 1: where they turn to, you know, their spouse and they're like,
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Speaker 1: you see what your kid just did. Oh, now it's
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Speaker 1: my kid, you know, And you know, unfortunately obi Wan
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Speaker 1: doesn't have anybody to do that with. And so but
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Speaker 1: I find that to be really interesting because it does
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Speaker 1: also just make me wonder why nobody else in the
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Speaker 1: council seems to even just want to come alongside obi
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Speaker 1: Wan to help m you know, and to give him
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Speaker 1: advice or you know, just anything, you know. And I
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Speaker 1: think that's what makes it really interesting that we don't
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Speaker 1: have anything between you know, episode one and episode two
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Speaker 1: really in canon about what Anakin's training with obi Wan
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Speaker 1: was like, which seems like a real dry spot that
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Speaker 1: should be you know, fixed with some sort of animated
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Speaker 1: series or something, because.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I'd love an animated series for that. I would
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Speaker 3: even love a live action one. But the perspective it's
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Speaker 3: told from is not Anakin and obi Wan's. It's a
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Speaker 3: different Night and Potawan, and we constantly hear about Anakin
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Speaker 3: and obi Wan and maybe we steal some glimpses in
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Speaker 3: the back or something like that. I think that could
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Speaker 3: be an interesting series too, to do more of that
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Speaker 3: world building and the night in the pot one nothing
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Speaker 3: bad happens to them at the end. Now anything like that,
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Speaker 3: there's you know, I don't know what adventures they'd go
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Speaker 3: on or anything, but like, you know, like that would
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Speaker 3: be I would consider that an interesting weekly series to
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Speaker 3: learn about the world that's going on. Shaping Anakin and
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Speaker 3: or obi Wan, and then tie that in same time
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Speaker 3: with an anim animated series like you're talking about that
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Speaker 3: is focused on Obi Wan and Anakin. And you have
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Speaker 3: two shows, one that's doing the world building and introducing
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Speaker 3: new characters and one that is mining what long term
17:12
Speaker 3: fans have always wanted to see, and you get the
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Speaker 3: best of both worlds, like companion pieces that go with
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Speaker 3: each other like that. That would be that would be
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Speaker 3: super cool because I think you could really get us
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Speaker 3: to an interesting point with that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the question of you know, you mentioned
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Speaker 1: at the very beginning rate, why does does Yoda not
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Speaker 1: take this on? But I do think that the biggest
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Speaker 1: answer to this to me is this is a place
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Speaker 1: where the Jedi Order has become too entrenched in itself.
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Speaker 1: Two in any way, really show grace, right, like the
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Speaker 1: fact that Okay, we're gonna we're gonna allow this kid
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Speaker 1: to be trained. But we've got this guy who's never
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Speaker 1: trained anybody before. H he just watched his mass die.
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Speaker 1: Maybe just maybe you know, he might need a little help.
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Speaker 1: And it's not because we don't trust you, it's just because, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you've been through a lot. You just took on a
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Speaker 1: Padawan that you didn't even want because of a promise
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Speaker 1: you made. Maybe maybe we needed to go through some
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Speaker 1: like Jedi counseling, uh, you know, something like that to.
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Speaker 3: Help become a more there's your show, right, more healthy
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Speaker 3: Jedi counseling. There's your show. Is a Jedi psychiatrist. And
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Speaker 3: I love this went right into it.
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Speaker 1: And it could be more of a humorous show like
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Speaker 1: Lower Decks on Star Star Trek. You know, yes, anyway, yes,
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Speaker 1: but you know, like I think, I think the beauty
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Speaker 1: of this is is what even by asking the question,
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Speaker 1: what we're kind of coming to is the fact that
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Speaker 1: the the Jedi Order had lost the ability to be flexible.
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Speaker 1: And that's really the problems. That's what actually allows Palpatine
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Speaker 1: to be able to do the things that he's doing,
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Speaker 1: is because they have lost any flexibility, and in that rigidity,
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Speaker 1: it's what makes them fracture and break so easily. Now
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Speaker 1: it doesn't seem easy, you know, because it's like it
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Speaker 1: takes like what twelve, thirteen years or whatever, But it's like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: in that period, in the long span of history of
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Speaker 1: how long Yoda's been doing this, you know, you had
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Speaker 1: a thousand years apiece, and then in the net last
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Speaker 1: you know, one hundred years, it just kind of all
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Speaker 1: blows up because they had lost the ability to be flexible,
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Speaker 1: which is so interesting because you know, we always talk
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Speaker 1: about the idea of moving with your feelings, flowing with
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Speaker 1: the force. That's the that's the resounding a message that
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Speaker 1: you get in the original series right where you're kind
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Speaker 1: of going back to the key of what the Jedi
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Speaker 1: were meant to be. And that's because of the you know,
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Speaker 1: the great evil that had been thrust upon them, because
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Speaker 1: of their own rigidity. Uh. And if they had been
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Speaker 1: more in tune with the force and flowing with it
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Speaker 1: like you do a river instead of standing in the
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Speaker 1: river against the flow like a rock in their dogmatism,
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Speaker 1: that this wouldn't have been able to happen.
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Speaker 3: Mm hm I I'll go back to another you know,
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Speaker 3: as we're wrapping up. I agree with all of those points,
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Speaker 3: But then I'm also going back to the point about
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Speaker 3: Yoda saying, oh, well, you know we've had problems before.
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Speaker 3: He's not for telling the end, and you mentioned, oh,
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Speaker 3: you're giving a potawan to this guy who just watched
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Speaker 3: his master get killed in front of him. Ah. But
21:00
Speaker 3: he also chopped the first known Sith Lord in a
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Speaker 3: thousand years and half, so maybe that was also why
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Speaker 3: Yoda was thinking, eh, kid can take care of it
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Speaker 3: if something goes south here.
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Speaker 1: I think you're exactly. I think that's actually an incredibly
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Speaker 1: salient point to this right, you know, again, as we
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Speaker 1: kind of talked about at the beginning, and not just
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Speaker 1: because Obie Wan's my favorite character, but you do think
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Speaker 1: about it, this kid really did prove himself to do
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Speaker 1: something that even his master couldn't do. Now, we could
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Speaker 1: to argue about whether or not he tapped into the
21:31
Speaker 1: dark side a little bit for that fight, and YadA, YadA, YadA,
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Speaker 1: but you know, he still did it right. And what
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Speaker 1: becomes of that again, I think the beauty of when
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Speaker 1: you look at the history of that character and everything
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Speaker 1: that he ends up going through, what's so fascinating about
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Speaker 1: him is that he may be the only true Jedi
21:54
Speaker 1: left by the end of the war in the sense
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Speaker 1: of exactly what the Jedi wanted to be, right, the
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Speaker 1: one who is able to let go of emotion when needed,
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Speaker 1: and all of those things, and Yoda doesn't count, right,
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Speaker 1: Yoda's Yoda. It's kind of hard to but just I
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Speaker 1: find that to be really interesting. And and yet even him,
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Speaker 1: he couldn't find a way to reach Anakin in a
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Speaker 1: way Anakin could hear. And I just that's a really
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Speaker 1: interesting thing.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and you say what you say about
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Speaker 3: him being a true Jedi and everything. And I'll try
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Speaker 3: not to be offended that you left Balin Skull off
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Speaker 3: that list there, because you know, if anybody figured things out,
22:38
Speaker 3: I was that guy, right, So I mean, yeah, I mean.
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Speaker 1: A point semi sith. But you know it's fine.
22:45
Speaker 3: Hey, that not quite red blade, that orangish blade. It's
22:49
Speaker 3: a good look. It's a good look. I like it.
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Speaker 1: Or it's it's orangish, Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, orangish. It's an orangish blade. I like it. I
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Speaker 3: think it works. So yeah, you know, I think we've
23:01
Speaker 3: got some interesting possibilities as usual. If anybody out there
23:04
Speaker 3: listening to the sound of our voices wants to interact,
23:06
Speaker 3: please hit us up over on the nerd party dot
23:08
Speaker 3: com slash contact. You can reach out to us there
23:10
Speaker 3: and the aforementioned other channels. But Matt, if people want
23:14
Speaker 3: to find you out there in the wild space of
23:16
Speaker 3: the Internet, where can they find you?
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Speaker 1: Well, you can find me all over the place on
23:21
Speaker 1: social media under the name matt Rasian zero two. Here
23:23
Speaker 1: on the network, you will also find me in a
23:25
Speaker 1: show called Outpost, talking about every single chapter of the
23:28
Speaker 1: Harry Potter series, one chapter to time. You also find
23:31
Speaker 1: me on the TFM network doing a bunch of shows,
23:33
Speaker 1: one including The six or two Club, where John and
23:36
Speaker 1: I talk a lot of things. You have the crossovers
23:38
Speaker 1: we did, of course with The Acolyte and so many
23:41
Speaker 1: of their episodes talking about all the franchises we love,
23:43
Speaker 1: so check that out. But John, if people wanted to,
23:46
Speaker 1: you know, maybe see what you've got going on, or
23:49
Speaker 1: I don't know what evil machinations are happening in Kesselvania,
23:52
Speaker 1: where can they find you?
23:54
Speaker 3: Oh well, Castlevania. There's nothing but evil machinations here, so
23:57
Speaker 3: of course you can find their benevolent dictator, kessel Junkie
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Speaker 3: out there online. That's me, And of course you can
24:03
Speaker 3: find me here on the network co hosting a show
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Speaker 3: called house Lights where we look at the work of
24:08
Speaker 3: different directors through different phases of their careers. We have
24:12
Speaker 3: a lot of fun with it and you can too.
24:14
Speaker 3: I co host that with Tristan Rudel and Darren Moser,
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Speaker 3: but Jedi Master Rushing, I get the sense that maybe,
24:22
Speaker 3: just maybe the Council could use some of our professional
24:25
Speaker 3: therapeutic help, and we should start that series Jedi Counselors.
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Speaker 3: So I think it's time to close these negotiations.
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Speaker 1: John, tell me how that feels.
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Speaker 2: Join the Revolution, Join the Nerd Party.