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Legally Brunette Presents: ‘Til Death Do Us Part - Kouri Richins & Alex Murdaugh · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, welcome to an episode of Till Death Do
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  Speaker 1: Us Part. I'll be your host Emily Simpson with my
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  Speaker 1: co host Shane Shane. So before we go into we're
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  Speaker 1: going to talk about a couple things today for Till
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  Speaker 1: Death Do Us Part. First of all, we have to
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  Speaker 1: talk about Corey Richins. We've done episodes on her previously,
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  Speaker 1: so if you have not listened to those, you could
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  Speaker 1: go back and listen.
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  Speaker 2: She is the wife that killed the husband by way
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  Speaker 2: of poisoning, Yes in Utah, right, so she could sell
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  Speaker 2: her book on how to grieve the loss of the parent, right,
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  Speaker 2: it was your children.
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  Speaker 1: That was a perfect summary of Corey Richards. However, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to talk about her again because we're gonna give
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  Speaker 1: a little update because Corey Richards has now been sentenced.
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  Speaker 1: So the previous episodes that we had done, she had
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  Speaker 1: not been sentenced yet pre sentencing, right, So Corey Richins,
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  Speaker 1: we'll just do a little brief background in case you
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  Speaker 1: don't know that much about the case. She was recently
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  Speaker 1: sentenced for the aggravated murder of her husband, Eric Richins.
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  Speaker 1: She fatally poisoned him in March of two, twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 1: at their home near Park City, Utah, by lacing a
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  Speaker 1: moscow mule with about five times the lethal dose of fentanyl.
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  Speaker 1: And if you listen to earlier episodes or you know
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  Speaker 1: more about this case, this was not the first time
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  Speaker 1: that she tried to poison him. If you remember, she
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  Speaker 1: tried to give him a sandwich on Valentine's Day that
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  Speaker 1: was also lace with fentanyl. But that did not work.
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  Speaker 1: I think he would just got sick, extremely ill from that,
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  Speaker 1: which and then Shane always questions because then he ended
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  Speaker 1: up texting friends right saying something to the effect of,
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  Speaker 1: I think she's trying to kill me. Yet he continues
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  Speaker 1: to stay married to her and continues to eat food
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  Speaker 1: that she gives him.
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  Speaker 2: Right, it's like someone keeps like she keeps firing and
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  Speaker 2: gun at him, and then he gives her some more bullets. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's like run.
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  Speaker 1: Roughly a year after killing him, Corey self publishes a
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  Speaker 1: children's book about children coping with grief titled Are You
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  Speaker 1: with Me? Let's get to the sentencing. So Corey Richans
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  Speaker 1: was sentenced to life in prison on Wednesday, May thirteenth
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  Speaker 1: for the murder of her husband. She was sentenced on
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  Speaker 1: what would have been his forty fourth birthday. So happy
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  Speaker 1: birthday to you, Eric Richins up in heaven, your forty
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  Speaker 1: fourth birthday gift is your ex wife is now being
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  Speaker 1: sentenced to life and pro is his. But when you murder,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like there needs to be another term besides
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  Speaker 1: widow murderer. Yeah, spouse killer yeah. In court there were
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  Speaker 1: victims impact statements. Now she has three boys, and they
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  Speaker 1: made some statements young boys, young boys. The statements were
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  Speaker 1: read by therapists in court. The middle child, who is
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  Speaker 1: identified as AR, told the judge, I don't want you
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  Speaker 1: out of jail because I will not feel safe if
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  Speaker 1: you are out. The youngest w R, who is in
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  Speaker 1: preschool when his father died, said he wanted his mother
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  Speaker 1: to go to jail forever, writing if she got out,
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  Speaker 1: I would be so scared, really mad, and I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: want to go with her anywhere. He also said he
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  Speaker 1: feels hateful and ashamed when people mentioned his mother, adding
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  Speaker 1: she took away my dad, Eric's sister. Her name's Katie.
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  Speaker 1: She said, today is Eric's birthday. I stand before you
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  Speaker 1: because he can't. He was taken away from my dad,
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  Speaker 1: my sister, his nieces, his friends, our community and worst
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  Speaker 1: of all, from his three amazing sons, he was taken
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  Speaker 1: away from us by a person he should have been
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  Speaker 1: able to trust. Eric's father, Jean, said he asked the
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  Speaker 1: judge for life without parole and described his son as
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  Speaker 1: a devoted father and coach, noting that the youth soccer
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  Speaker 1: team that Eric had coached still breaks every huddle by
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  Speaker 1: chanting one, two three, Eric, Well, that was really sad
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  Speaker 1: that that just made me tear up a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Judge Richard Razik handed down the maximum since after hearing
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  Speaker 1: the victim's impact state.
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  Speaker 2: You know, those victim impact statements were read obviously in
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  Speaker 2: front of her, but it was nice to see her.
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  Speaker 2: She was get acting shocked, like.
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  Speaker 1: Love me what?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? And she was and then she like look around
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  Speaker 2: the room as if like can you believe this is
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  Speaker 2: this real?
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  Speaker 1: You know, the worst punishment for me. But I obviously
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  Speaker 1: would never murder anyone, but the fact that I have
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  Speaker 1: three children to be in prison and to never see
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  Speaker 1: my she's not going to see her kids. No one's
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  Speaker 1: going to take her children to visit. I know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: saying she she murdered her husband, that one who's going
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  Speaker 1: to visit her. She she's going to spend the right
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  Speaker 1: the rest of her life in prison and never see
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  Speaker 1: her three her drug.
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  Speaker 2: Dealer test fight against her. She's got no friends.
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  Speaker 1: She's got no friends, not even the drug dealer. So anyway,
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  Speaker 1: that is the sentencing of Corey Richards. So she was
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  Speaker 1: sentenced to life in prison with al pearl. So she's
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  Speaker 1: going nowhere. She's never going to leave prison, and she'll
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  Speaker 1: probably never ever ever see her sons or have any
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  Speaker 1: kind kind of communication with them. Not only did I
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  Speaker 1: receive so many dms from people asking me for asking
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  Speaker 1: us to talk about the crash, but also so many
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  Speaker 1: dms saying you have to talk about the Murdoch case
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  Speaker 1: because the appeal because.
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  Speaker 2: It was a success right for the defendant, right, and it.
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  Speaker 1: Was the conviction was overturned, so he will now have
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  Speaker 1: a new trial. And so so many people were sending
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  Speaker 1: me the articles and dms and saying, can you talk
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  Speaker 1: about this.
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  Speaker 2: Can you explain it? You want to send a deal?
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  Speaker 2: So is he out now? Is he freed?
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  Speaker 1: No, because he's in jail on financial crimes too, it's
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  Speaker 1: not just the murder conviction, so he's not He's never
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  Speaker 1: getting out of prison. The way I understand it. I
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  Speaker 1: think he's been sentenced to He's been sentenced to many,
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  Speaker 1: many years just for the financial crimes. Then the murder convictions.
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  Speaker 2: Good, okay, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So Alex Murdoch, the once prominent South Carolina personal injury attorney,
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  Speaker 1: was convicted in March of twenty twenty three of murdering
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  Speaker 1: his wife Maggie and son Paul at the family's hunting
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  Speaker 1: estate in Colton County in June of twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember the name of the state, No, Lozelle.
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  Speaker 2: Why would I remember that?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I just remember remember I talked about
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  Speaker 1: how I wanted to take a little Lelely Brunette field
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  Speaker 1: trip down there because someone had sent me. Someone had
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  Speaker 1: sent me a DM on Instagram and talked about how
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  Speaker 1: you could actually get because the property was for sale,
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  Speaker 1: and someone had told me that they had visited the
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  Speaker 1: property and that you could actually walk around on those
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  Speaker 1: you know, where they had the hunting cages or kennels
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  Speaker 1: for the dogs, all the hunting dogs, and that's where
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  Speaker 1: he shot the son. So I said I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: go on a Well they re someone.
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  Speaker 2: Bought it and re do you want to go on
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  Speaker 2: a homicide tour.
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  Speaker 1: I want to go on a homicide tour, and that
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  Speaker 1: is definitely one of the spots that I would like
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  Speaker 1: to go to. I also, because I just spent a
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  Speaker 1: week in Ohio, I wanted to go up to Cleeve
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  Speaker 1: area and go to Strongsville. Wasn't there. That's what the crash.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to visit the I want to see the
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  Speaker 1: wall I wanted to visit. I want to go to
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  Speaker 1: all the places.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I know where to plan our next vacation, Our next,
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  Speaker 2: our next vacation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. So Murdoch was sendens the two consecutive
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  Speaker 1: life terms on top of a separate forty year federal
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  Speaker 1: sense for a series of financial crimes when in which
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  Speaker 1: he was stealing millions from clients, his law firm, and
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  Speaker 1: the family of his housekeeper, Gloria Centerfield, who died after
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  Speaker 1: Remember that that mysterious death down the steps after a
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  Speaker 1: fall at the Murdoch home.
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  Speaker 2: Remember the housekeeper.
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  Speaker 1: The housekeeper, Yes, the miss serious fall. The dogs tripped
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  Speaker 1: her legend docued that movie didn't show. Remember she was
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  Speaker 1: in the whole movie. Oh, the timeline was all messed up.
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  Speaker 1: It was it was the Hulu series.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't like that they did that. That was
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  Speaker 1: a reenactment. I thought it was really well done, other
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  Speaker 1: than the fact that Gloria had died years earlier and
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  Speaker 1: then they put her in scenes where she had ourday died.
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  Speaker 1: And that's when you that's when I have your times.
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  Speaker 1: I have a hard time believing anything you're saying. Right
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  Speaker 1: May thirteenth and twenty twenty six, this just happened. The
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  Speaker 1: South Carolina Supreme Court, unanimously, it was five to zero,
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  Speaker 1: overturned Alex Murdoch's murder convictions and ordered a new trial.
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  Speaker 1: The five to zero ruling found that former Colton County
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  Speaker 1: Clerk of Court that is a lot of alliteration.
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  Speaker 2: Say it one more time.
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  Speaker 1: The Colton County Clerk of Court.
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  Speaker 2: In Connecticut for Carolina, Carolinas, her name's Becky.
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  Speaker 1: But if her name was like Crystal, I would just
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  Speaker 1: the Colton County Clerk of Court, Becky Hill, had improperly
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  Speaker 1: influenced the jury during the original trial, and the court
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  Speaker 1: wrote that Hill quote placed her fingers on the scales
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  Speaker 1: of justice, denying Murdoch to his right to a fair
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  Speaker 1: trial by an impartial jury. Okay, that is a constitutional right.
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  Speaker 1: Now a lot of people sent me DMNs saying, how
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  Speaker 1: does this happen? This is how this happens. When you
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  Speaker 1: have a jury trial, you have a constitutional right to
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  Speaker 1: have a fair trial by an impartial jury that is
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  Speaker 1: not persuaded by outside influences. Now, this clerk of court
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  Speaker 1: was so embedded with this jury. She was talking to them,
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  Speaker 1: she was having meetings with them. There's allegations that she
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  Speaker 1: was in the bathroom with one of them for a
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  Speaker 1: long period of time. She drove a jury member home.
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  Speaker 1: She was telling them to pay close attention to his
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  Speaker 1: body language, to not believe the defense to I mean
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  Speaker 1: she she was writing about it.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't have to do that, and they would have
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  Speaker 3: found him guilty. Of course they would have. I mean
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  Speaker 3: that she ruined the evidence is empired. Yeah, So that
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  Speaker 3: is what happened. It was not an impartial jury, and
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  Speaker 3: it was outside influences. Because of that, Murdoch was denied
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  Speaker 3: his right to a fair trial by an impartial jury.
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  Speaker 3: Allegations against Hill had been swirling for a while. She
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  Speaker 3: was accused of pressuring jurors to reach a guilty verdict,
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  Speaker 3: partly to boost sales of a book she was writing
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  Speaker 3: about the case. So she was writing a book about
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  Speaker 3: this case and trial. And also I read that she
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  Speaker 3: was giving sealed evidence.
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  Speaker 1: To the media. So she was just she was there
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  Speaker 1: in the courthouse doing all. She was a busy bee.
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  Speaker 1: She was a busy bee. She had her nose and everything.
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  Speaker 1: She was talking to the media. She was giving.
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  Speaker 2: Them notice this stuff. No one thought, Hey, why are
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  Speaker 2: you hanging out with the jury member in the bathroom.
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  Speaker 1: Well, originally, when he first appealed, the first judge and
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  Speaker 1: I guess in the trial court or in the appeals
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  Speaker 1: court found that because the evidence against him was so
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  Speaker 1: overwhelming that it didn't matter what she had done. But basically,
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  Speaker 1: the Supreme Court overruled it and said that it's so
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  Speaker 1: basically it's so blatant that she was so involved in it,
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  Speaker 1: and that she was, you know, pressuring these jurors, and
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  Speaker 1: they had submitted affidavits and some of them testified that
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  Speaker 1: she had said watch his body language, don't be fooled
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  Speaker 1: by the defense.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, the jury wasn't all that bright either.
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  Speaker 2: By letting it carry on.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean, why are they letting the court
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  Speaker 1: clerk like, well, they probably don't know, they probably I.
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  Speaker 2: Mean she's a I'm not blaming them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's not elected.
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  Speaker 2: She's a clerk.
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  Speaker 1: No, I think you have to be elected. Don't you
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  Speaker 1: get elected to the county. It's the county clerk.
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  Speaker 2: Of court clerk for for the just the court room,
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  Speaker 2: like the clerk.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's the county clerk. So I think it was
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  Speaker 1: an elected position.
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  Speaker 2: Count Colton, remember.
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  Speaker 1: Colton County Clerk of Court. Murdoch has now filed a
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  Speaker 1: federal lawsuit against her, seeking six hundred thousand dollars in
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  Speaker 1: compensatory damages plus punitive damages and attorney fees. He basically
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  Speaker 1: claims that he's had to spend about six hundred thousand
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  Speaker 1: dollars in attorney fees to fight this. You know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but then he's going to do it again, and
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  Speaker 2: then he's going to get found guilty and then it's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be.
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  Speaker 1: Like, Okay, look, they're going to retry him. They're going
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  Speaker 1: to retry him.
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  Speaker 2: I know, and he's gonna have a field trip every
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  Speaker 2: day he gets to go to court.
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  Speaker 1: And what's going to happen is they're going to find
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  Speaker 1: him guilty again. There's no doubt in my mind. Do
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  Speaker 1: you remember the evidence to get him against him in
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  Speaker 1: the murders. Was he said that he was like having
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  Speaker 1: dinner or something at his mom's house.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody his audio was on the snap or yeah, but his.
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  Speaker 1: Son was doing the snap what's it called snap.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever it was. His kid was recording and putting on
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  Speaker 2: social media, right.
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  Speaker 1: And you could hear him or I think he might've
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  Speaker 1: even got a glimpse of him in the background at
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  Speaker 1: the time frame. I think it was like nine or
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  Speaker 1: something at night, And it places him there.
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  Speaker 2: At Mozelle so close to the time of the murderers,
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  Speaker 2: right right, and not where he claimed he was, right exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So Buster, the oldest son, who is now thirty, he's
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  Speaker 1: the one that went to law school, but he didn't
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  Speaker 1: graduate from law school.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: He had always supported his dad, if you remember that.
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  Speaker 1: But he was always a very staunch supporter of his
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  Speaker 1: dad that he was innocent. He has had a shifting
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  Speaker 1: response towards his father's overturned convictions. Sources it's not him
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  Speaker 1: speaking out directly, but obviously there's always like people in
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  Speaker 1: the know that give interviews and talk right. Sources have
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  Speaker 1: described him as furious rather than relieved, calling the ruling
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  Speaker 1: a nightmare because it forces him to relive the worst
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  Speaker 1: ears of his life. You know that's true, because they're
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  Speaker 1: the prosecution. They're going to prosecute him again. They're going
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  Speaker 1: to have all the same evidence they're going to present,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the snaps and that he was on the
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  Speaker 1: location and that he was there and the gun and
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  Speaker 1: all of it again. Reports indicate that Buster and his
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  Speaker 1: father have spoken only a handful of times since the
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  Speaker 1: original guilty verdict, and Buster reportedly called his father a selfish,
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  Speaker 1: selfish old man for pursuing a retrial that drags the
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  Speaker 1: family back through all of this trauma. However, Buster has
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  Speaker 1: always believed his father was innocent prior to this. He
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  Speaker 1: said during Alex's twenty twenty three trial that he believes
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  Speaker 1: the real killer is still out there if you or
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  Speaker 1: he says, that keeps him up at night. Obviously that shifted.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what shifted it, but he did think
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  Speaker 1: his dad was innocent. It seems like now it's shifted
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  Speaker 1: and he's convinced his dad is guilty.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe he was caught up in the beginning and just emotions.
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  Speaker 2: You don't want to believe it, right, and you're talking
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  Speaker 2: to your dad and his dad was probably pretty good
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  Speaker 2: with words.
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  Speaker 1: You know, and then you remove yourself from it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then time goes by and you maybe start
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  Speaker 2: to cool off, and you start to look at things,
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  Speaker 2: and you start to.
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  Speaker 1: Use your own judgment, your own discernment. You don't have
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  Speaker 1: someone in your ear.
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  Speaker 2: All the time caught up in the court case. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: worried about your dad and your mom and brother, you know,
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  Speaker 2: because it was mom and brother, right, we're dead and
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  Speaker 2: so yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well this is interesting. But Buster recently named his own
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  Speaker 1: newborn son after his father as well, which Alex Murdock's
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  Speaker 1: defense team has pointed out to be evidence of their
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  Speaker 1: continued bond despite the public estrangement. So I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what that's all about. I don't know if I would
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  Speaker 1: name my son after my father, who was a convicted
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  Speaker 1: killer who killed my mother and brother, if I believed
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  Speaker 1: him to be guilty. But I don't know. Maybe it's
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  Speaker 1: just shifting quickly.
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  Speaker 2: Who knows do they have money anymore? Because I'm thinking
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  Speaker 2: of like the defense team, if he spends six hundred
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  Speaker 2: grand on the first one, you know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: And that's a question I was thinking about too, because
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  Speaker 1: he's been convicted of all these financial crimes. So basically
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  Speaker 1: the money he would be using to pay for his
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  Speaker 1: defense is money that he's extorted or fraudulent.
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  Speaker 2: Or My thinking has always been, like P Diddy, he
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  Speaker 2: has enough money so he could fight an appeal and
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  Speaker 2: this and that and get field trips to the courthouse
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  Speaker 2: and kind of occupy himself and financially it's not a
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  Speaker 2: big deal. But if you can't like what so like
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  Speaker 2: P Diddy for example, if he knows like his a
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  Speaker 2: Journey's like, dude, it's a long shot. You can't spend
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  Speaker 2: like half a million bucks, You're probably not getting anything.
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  Speaker 2: He's gonna do it anyw was he got to lose, right,
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  Speaker 2: But someone like Murdog is like, well do you have
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  Speaker 2: the money? Because if you don't, then like can you
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  Speaker 2: fight it? You can't afford to fight it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if there's still family money.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if the sale of his property generated money,
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  Speaker 1: because he obviously is, you're.
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  Speaker 2: Right, then there's the financial crimes. Yeah, and there's probably
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  Speaker 2: some restitution and things like that that he did.
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  Speaker 1: Remember all the fraudulent insurance money he got. Remember when
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  Speaker 1: he represented the sons of Yeah, the mother died on
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  Speaker 1: their property because allegedly or suppose whatever, she had tripped
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  Speaker 1: on a dog or something. And then he represented them,
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: which is a complete conflict of interest for them to
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: sue him. And then remember they sued him for like
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: wrongful death or something, and then the insurance paid out,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: but they paid to.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: This guy's no good. Plus there was like a boat accident,
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: there's all kinds of That was the sign around these people.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: You got to stay away from there. See on their properties,
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: you're probably gonna come across some booby traps.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: No, I just want to go. I just want to
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: go on a field trip. But I don't want to
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: be friends with them. There's a difference. I want to
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: go on a property has all kinds of traps all over.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I want to go to Mozille.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: That's on my list, all right. So Alex Murdock is
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: still in prison serving his forty year financial crime sence,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: so he isn't going anywhere in the short term. I mean,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: he's never getting out of prison. So why he's fighting this,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: But I don't know. The prosecutor's office has said it
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: will aggressively pursue a retrial and hopes to get the
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: new trial completed by the end of twenty twenty six.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: South Carolina Attorney General Alan Wilson has said all options
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: remain on the table this time around, including the death penalty,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: something prosecutors did not seek the first time. Well, see,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: that's a problem too when you start when now you're
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: opening up a can of worms, because then they're going
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: to be pissed that they have to retry it, and
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: they're like, you know what, not only are we going
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: to retry you, but we're going to try you and
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: we're going to ask for the death penalty this time.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gonna be awesome. If it's worse, I told
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: you accepted it and gone to your jail and kept
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: your mouth shut. Yeah, now you've made it worse.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: The retrial will hinge on the same circumstantial evidence that
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: drove the first conviction, which was the cell phone data,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: the snapchat video filmed by Paul minutes before the killings
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: that captured Murdoch's voice at the scene after remember, after
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: he had told investigators that he was not there, and
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Murdoch's documented financial desperation and the days leading up to
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: the murders. So that is where we're at with Murdoch.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: That is why he his conviction was overturned. It's because
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: the Supreme.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Court county clerk Lady well.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Right, because she was she was a busy bee and
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: she ruined it. She was too involved, she was talking
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: to jurors, she was influencing. You know what, though, I
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: agree with the decision of the Supreme Court because even
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: though I'm one hundred percent convinced he's guilty, he's going
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: to be found guilty. Again, that is a constitutional right
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: that everyone is afforded. And the fact that that woman
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: was influencing jury members, that she was writing a book,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: that she was giving evidence and things to the media,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: that she was doing all these things that were that
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: could unduly influence the jury. He absolutely should have gotten
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: a new trial.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: And it stops others from doing it. That's an example,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Because let's look at it from a different perspective. Let's
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: look at it as if someone was innocent who was convicted,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: and the reason they were convicted is because this county
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: clerk is out there influencing the jury. That's why that's
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: put into place, because you can't that can't happen. You
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: can't influence the jury. But anyway, so I think that
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: the conviction being overturned was a correct decision by the
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Supreme Court. I think that was right. I think he'll
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: be tried again. I think he'll be found guilty. He'll
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: never get out of prison. That's where we're at. But
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: everyone deserves the constitutional.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Rights that are for just at the standard. We can't
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: deviate from it and start to make exceptions or such
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: a turn a blind eye exactly, so it had to
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: be done.
• 20:15
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