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Patriots Unfiltered 6/11: Full Minicamp Breakdown and General Takeaways · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 4: Car You got Channing Canada out there going, you know,
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  Speaker 4: trying to cover a J Brown?
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  Speaker 5: Like, I'm sorry? Is he on the Patriots Canada?
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  Speaker 3: Defend yourself against taking the cheese? Do you feel a
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  Speaker 5: Take the cheese. You're not taking the cheese, Paul, What.
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  Speaker 2: Cheese would you nibble at for this year?
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  Speaker 5: On Mozzarella?
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  Speaker 6: how many like, you know, exertions you're doing?
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  Speaker 4: I like that exertions? How many exertions they did. I'm
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  Speaker 4: gonna use that like of a weekend like er, I've
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  Speaker 4: done so many.
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  Speaker 5: When was the last time you had an exertion?
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  Speaker 2: I had an assertion last night?
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  Speaker 2: the Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 3: It is Thursday at three o'clock here at Jillette Stadium,
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  Speaker 3: kind of special Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 2: We're wrapping up Mini camp.
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  Speaker 3: We just got off the practice field a hot day
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  Speaker 3: here at Jeelette Stadium to end mini camp.
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  Speaker 2: And that's it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, other than the rookies, this is it for them.
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  Speaker 3: They're checking out and going their separate ways. The next
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  Speaker 3: time we see them, it'll be training camp and summer
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  Speaker 3: will be for all intents.
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  Speaker 2: And purposes over for us, which sucks.
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  Speaker 4: But anyway, forth, let's start of summer right now though,
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  Speaker 4: So let's celebrate anyway.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 3: So it's Evan, it's Paul, it's me, it's Deuce, it's
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  Speaker 3: Matt and Nabooth, and we're going to talk about everything
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  Speaker 3: that we saw over the last three days and what
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  Speaker 3: that means going forward. Right yeah, yeah, So eight five
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  Speaker 3: to five Pats five hundred is the way to call
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  Speaker 3: podcast at Pages dot com is the email address. So
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  Speaker 3: let's start it right off. You know, the first day
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  Speaker 3: on Tuesday was more of a normal practice. Yesterday was
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  Speaker 3: a little bit lighter, slower pace, more of a walkthrough
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  Speaker 3: and today a lot of red zone work. As we
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  Speaker 3: saw on Tuesday, a lot of red zone work.
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  Speaker 2: What do you make of that?
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  Speaker 4: Well, we always talk about they start in the red zone.
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  Speaker 4: I mean it's the hardest place to score. It's important
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  Speaker 4: part of the field. Everything's compressed, you know. Yesterday they
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  Speaker 4: kind of walked through I think what they were going
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  Speaker 4: to do today, and the defense I thought kind of
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  Speaker 4: held the day. I mean, a couple of touchdowns to
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  Speaker 4: AJ Brown were nice. I mean, an amazing acrobatic catch.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure we'll talk plenty about that. I was right
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  Speaker 4: next to that was crazy to watch. But I would
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  Speaker 4: just say coming out of this, my biggest thing is
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  Speaker 4: just Drake May year two. It's something I've talked about
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  Speaker 4: on the show. Love what we heard from from Josh
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  Speaker 4: McDaniels yesterday, you know about sending Drake to the line
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  Speaker 4: with no play call. I just that to me is
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  Speaker 4: everything to help him get to the point where he's
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  Speaker 4: the conductor. You know he can and as Josh said,
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  Speaker 4: you know, it's get us out of bad place, you know, being.
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  Speaker 5: Able to give the quarterback the tools he.
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  Speaker 4: Needs to make decisions so that they're not you know,
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  Speaker 4: all right, this isn't gonna work, but this is the place,
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  Speaker 4: so we're gonna run it. I'm just really excited about
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  Speaker 4: Drake and your two and I think that they're taking
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  Speaker 4: smart steps to try to accelerate that growth process of
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  Speaker 4: him under control in this offense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Rabel said something the other day about he wants
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  Speaker 3: to go fast. In fact, I want to go too
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  Speaker 3: fast so that when you get into the game it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't seem that fast.
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  Speaker 2: Do you feel like that was the case today or no?
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  Speaker 6: No, I mean Evan and I talked a little bit
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  Speaker 6: about that because it was pretty intense today, and I
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  Speaker 6: think they were trying to hype up, especially the coaching
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  Speaker 6: staffs and Rabel were trying to get some intensity to
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  Speaker 6: practice and get some speed to practice. He was talking.
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  Speaker 6: I think the quote you're referencing was about Eli Reridan
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  Speaker 6: and just at this point in his career, it is
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  Speaker 6: miss making mistakes fast instead of trying to go slower,
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  Speaker 6: to try to get the right mental rep down to
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  Speaker 6: go fast and then they'll correct the mistakes that they
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  Speaker 6: you know, he makes in terms of the mental stuff.
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  Speaker 6: But I thought today it was pretty intense. I think
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  Speaker 6: the red zone build up you know, we saw two
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  Speaker 6: OTA's they were working more in the middle of the
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  Speaker 6: field and on first and second down, so I think
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  Speaker 6: that they, you know, had already done the installation of
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  Speaker 6: you know, between the twenties base offense, and now they
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  Speaker 6: were installing the red zone stuff. So I don't really,
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  Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't really care for red zone
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  Speaker 6: work personally, it's not my thing, but I hope, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: I just I don't know. It's just I feel like
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  Speaker 6: it doesn't really show you much, but it was fun.
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  Speaker 7: So I would say the red you know, the drawbacks
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  Speaker 7: of red zone practice, especially everything's a touchdown well, especially
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  Speaker 7: in mini camp, is you can't run the ball. So like,
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  Speaker 7: to me, that's part of what makes a really good
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  Speaker 7: red zone team is the physicality, and you don't see
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  Speaker 7: that really in practice, even when they do have pads
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  Speaker 7: on in training camp very rare. Do you see them
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  Speaker 7: go on blocking, running, tackling to the ground and you know,
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  Speaker 7: things like that. So I understand what Evan's talking about.
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  Speaker 7: I do think Fred to answer you know, your question
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  Speaker 7: just about tempo. You know, I thought on Tuesday especially,
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  Speaker 7: they were running very crisp. I thought the players were
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  Speaker 7: coming in and out efficiently. Not surprisingly, as Mike mentioned,
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  Speaker 7: I think Drake May was kind of covered them up
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  Speaker 7: a little bit today. I thought the defense pushed back
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  Speaker 7: a little bit more. They were having a harder time
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  Speaker 7: I thought uncovering. But the one thing that really stood
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  Speaker 7: out to me overall today especially was just how competitive
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  Speaker 7: it was in that setting. You know, shorts, t shirt,
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  Speaker 7: you know, and I thought both sides were treating it seriously.
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  Speaker 7: They wanted to score, they wanted to stop you from scoring,
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  Speaker 7: and there was a lot of talk about it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, you know, knowing it's the last practice
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  Speaker 3: and that's it. I think you want to end then
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  Speaker 3: a you know, high note for both sides of the ball.
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  Speaker 5: A little scary there at the end.
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  Speaker 7: Last play was a little scary. Why is that Drake
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  Speaker 7: May ended up on the ground. Yeah, I mean he
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  Speaker 7: threw a touchdown to a J.
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  Speaker 4: Brown to kind of ended and I was watching AJ
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  Speaker 4: Brown because AJ Brown is trotting over to the defense
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  Speaker 4: to spin the ball in their face because they've been
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  Speaker 4: going back and forth. But then the boys in for me,
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  Speaker 4: they like know, Drake you know, got ran into and.
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  Speaker 5: Was on the ground. So it was a little bit scary.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Evans Evan's ready to start getting kids off the teams.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah he's no, he's throwing. He's throwing passes after practice
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  Speaker 4: and everything seems fine.
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  Speaker 5: But I don't know he was fine.
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  Speaker 6: They did, but they ended practice with about three minutes
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  Speaker 6: on the clock, and I think they were Tommy DeVito
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  Speaker 6: was supposed to get another another turn added and Drake
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  Speaker 6: was on the ground and Rabel said.
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  Speaker 2: That's it.
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  Speaker 5: Called everybody up.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, that was that. Yeah, but I do think they
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  Speaker 7: got some good work done.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean describe the Brown touchdown now to
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  Speaker 4: me was the highlightscribe It was like he's going it was.
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  Speaker 7: A back shoulder play, but I think he intentionally and
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  Speaker 7: listening to him talk about it after practice, I think
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  Speaker 7: he sort of intentionally turned the wrong way to try
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  Speaker 7: to deceive the defensive back. He didn't say that he
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  Speaker 7: tried to. He did it to try to deceive the
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  Speaker 7: defensive back, but that's how I saw it. He spun around,
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  Speaker 7: you know, track the ball over the other shoulder, made
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  Speaker 7: the catch.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, he has like incredibly soft hands.
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  Speaker 7: And then he said he was really happy that he
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  Speaker 7: was able to get his feet in bounds. But it
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  Speaker 7: was a really athletic play and it was an impressive touchdown.
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  Speaker 7: About four or five plays later, there was a similar
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  Speaker 7: kind of an attempt toward Hunter Henry in the end
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  Speaker 7: zone where he's looking the wrong shoulder, spinning around and
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  Speaker 7: he didn't even get a hand on it. Like this
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  Speaker 7: just shows you how athletic the play was, because it's
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  Speaker 7: not like Hunter Henry is not a good athlete, no,
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  Speaker 7: but it's a you know, different levels, different levels.
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  Speaker 3: I know you're gonna laugh at me, but early in
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  Speaker 3: practice today they were going against air, you know, Coach
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  Speaker 3: was just kind of directing them out there. Booty made
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  Speaker 3: a catch in the back of the end zone one
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  Speaker 3: hand because the ball was high and he was reaching
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  Speaker 3: out of bounce in like got both feet in and
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  Speaker 3: just made it look easy. And I'm just thinking to myself,
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  Speaker 3: this guy is really talented. He's really gifted. I mean
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  Speaker 3: that's why I say I think that there's more out
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  Speaker 3: of him that if we're not going to get it
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  Speaker 3: out of him, some team is going to get out
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  Speaker 3: of him.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's.
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  Speaker 3: Got more to show than we've seen already.
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  Speaker 2: I think he can be.
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  Speaker 3: A consistent producer for you know, for somebody, because he's
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  Speaker 3: got the talent.
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  Speaker 6: But it's a caseh on booty question, Like we keep
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  Speaker 6: talking about this topic and like does he is he
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  Speaker 6: going to be happy with the opportunities that he's going
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  Speaker 6: to get here, no pay somebody, But like I think
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  Speaker 6: that that's what you know. People are just looking at
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  Speaker 6: it purely from let's put the most talented players on
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  Speaker 6: the roster and not thinking about the fact that if
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  Speaker 6: a guy goes from being a regular starter at seventy
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  Speaker 6: five percent of the snaps to thirty percent of the
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  Speaker 6: snaps in a contract year, like what that does for
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  Speaker 6: the player, right, and what that does for the psyche
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  Speaker 6: of the player? And I think that's where you know
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  Speaker 6: we're coming I'm coming from with it. Is it's less
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  Speaker 6: so about is he the one of the more talented
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  Speaker 6: receivers on the team. He's a top five talent at
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  Speaker 6: that position easily on this team. But is if he's
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  Speaker 6: the backup to aj Brown at that position, is is
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  Speaker 6: he going to be on the program. Well, as we
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  Speaker 6: like to.
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  Speaker 3: Say, chances are wherever he goes, he might be a
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  Speaker 3: backup to somebody because I don't think he's a number
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  Speaker 3: one receiver.
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  Speaker 2: Now, not every team has.
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  Speaker 3: A true WR one but I think in a lot
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  Speaker 3: of places they do and they're trying to fill you know,
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  Speaker 3: their depth, and he might have to have that situation
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  Speaker 3: anywhere he goes.
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  Speaker 5: So, but he's not in the top three here. No,
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  Speaker 5: that's different.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it is different.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm just I'm just saying that, like put
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  Speaker 3: on your offensive coordinator, cap Evan, is there a way
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  Speaker 3: that in a perfect world he could be happy here
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  Speaker 3: with the type of opportunities he would get.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, moving Aj Brown inside would be the way,
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  Speaker 6: you know, I think you know, with AJ Brown, Romeo
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  Speaker 6: Dobbs playing primarily, you know, more inside the formation, then
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  Speaker 6: Booty gets to play keep his spot outside. And I
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  Speaker 6: think you could do that and you know, talented group.
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  Speaker 6: But I would have some question marks about the some
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  Speaker 6: of the things.
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  Speaker 2: You don't think Booty has what it takes to go inside.
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  Speaker 6: I haven't seen it. Like maybe maybe he he does.
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  Speaker 5: I haven't seen he was asked about that on Tuesday
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  Speaker 5: and he thinks he does.
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  Speaker 8: I just.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: I would argue to your point. If I were you,
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  Speaker 7: I would hope you're wrong, because if this is all
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  Speaker 7: this untapped potential with Kayshawan Boody. Then that was a
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  Speaker 7: bad trade because they should have just had this guy
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  Speaker 7: be the guy who's going to blossom into whatever body thinks.
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  Speaker 2: I see what you're saying, but I think a brown.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't think he has anywhere near that kind
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  Speaker 7: of a builds, but I don't think he needs to
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  Speaker 7: have that now. I well, I mean, I listen to
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  Speaker 7: you describe it, fred I almost had. The team that
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  Speaker 7: came to mind was Buffalo. You know, a team that
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  Speaker 7: has a.
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  Speaker 4: Lot of guys that you know, complete like Kishan Budi
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  Speaker 4: could do Kishan Boody things playing you know, you know,
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  Speaker 4: like he's probably a better player than those guys. But
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  Speaker 4: that's a skill set, you know, that's a complimentary place
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  Speaker 4: where he could go in.
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  Speaker 5: He might not get.
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  Speaker 2: Extend play getting downfield.
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  Speaker 6: Buffalo, Kansas City, the Giants have thirteen wide receivers because
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  Speaker 6: they have no idea what's going like. There's plenty of
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  Speaker 6: teams where he would.
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  Speaker 5: Be one of the one of the options.
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  Speaker 6: He would have more opportunity to be a starter or
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  Speaker 6: be a top three guy than here.
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  Speaker 3: I know all the gms from the other teams watch
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  Speaker 3: the show, so he'd be worth a get them worth
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  Speaker 3: the first round, first round pick.
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  Speaker 2: Perfect.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know you want to one back.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, oh yeah, I replace that's just okay.
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  Speaker 2: So that's my little case for case for Booty. All right.
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  Speaker 3: But I think what you guys were saying about today
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  Speaker 3: versus Tuesday is right. I think defense definitely pushed back
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  Speaker 3: more today.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: You see that a lot in practices, where one day
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  Speaker 3: it's the offense, the next day it's the defense.
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  Speaker 5: Very vocal though today.
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  Speaker 4: I mean I was reminded of the Detroit Lions hard
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  Speaker 4: knocks when they you know, there was like a whole
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  Speaker 4: like segment where Staley going back and forth at it,
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  Speaker 4: and that was, you know, kind of Scott Booker justin Hamilton,
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  Speaker 4: the cornerbacks coach Kevin Byern was in there to chirpin
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  Speaker 4: and hard for me to see who in the offense
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  Speaker 4: was really yelling back. I know Matt Collins was in
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  Speaker 4: the middle of it, but I think Raybel was getting it,
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  Speaker 4: was doing a lot of I think that's it was great.
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  Speaker 4: I thought it was very entertaining.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I called for it on Tuesday.
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  Speaker 3: You know, competitive practice back in the day where everybody
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  Speaker 3: was going at each other throughout the practice. It was
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  Speaker 3: a you know, a real badge of honor to win
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  Speaker 3: the practice, and Rabel was trying to get that toy.
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  Speaker 7: That was pretty competitive for non padded practice. That's great,
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  Speaker 7: I would agree with you, Fred, Yeah, yeah, no, I
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  Speaker 7: enjoyed the last few days.
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  Speaker 4: I mean it's you know, you have to realize what
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  Speaker 4: you're watching because it's not a ton of real like
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  Speaker 4: you know Devan's point. You're watching at the red zone
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  Speaker 4: and it's very specific. But it's also fun for me
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  Speaker 4: staring at my stupid depth chart that I put together.
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  Speaker 4: You know it really it's like kind of get a
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  Speaker 4: sense of all right, these are the guys who are
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  Speaker 4: kind of in the mix to play, and then this
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  Speaker 4: is the group of guys that are down the depth
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  Speaker 4: chart and they're gonna have to, you know, prove themselves.
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  Speaker 4: I thought it was interesting today with Jack west Over
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  Speaker 4: out that you start to see some of the other
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  Speaker 4: tight ends get some opportunities. And that's a spot that
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  Speaker 4: Brabel said yesterday they might add to but chance today
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  Speaker 4: for Eli Eridan and c.
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  Speaker 5: Jgpree and those kinds banking back to it now.
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  Speaker 7: And I mean it's not surprising, but I agree with
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  Speaker 7: you one hundred percent Mike. It was pretty clear that
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  Speaker 7: Mike is looking to add to that depth chart, and
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  Speaker 7: I could see why today. You know, you have Hunter
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  Speaker 7: Henry and he's really the only guy that looks sort
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  Speaker 7: of natural playing the position. The other guys are either young.
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  Speaker 5: Or you know, kind of blockers work you know, works
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  Speaker 5: in progress.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, So I can't understand why Mike feels that
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  Speaker 7: way after losing Julian Hill, and that would be surprised
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  Speaker 7: if he didn't see a guy come in before training camp.
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  Speaker 7: He's good to see Reridon grab a couple of balls,
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  Speaker 7: you know, just I mean, it's opportunity kind of thing.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I like, I just I like the cut
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  Speaker 7: of his jib. I think, you know, I said before this,
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  Speaker 7: I want to see what he looks like. I just
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  Speaker 7: think he's well filled out, well proportioned. He looks the
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  Speaker 7: part of Mauily that you know, he can handle blocking.
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  Speaker 7: He looks like he's got some size to.
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  Speaker 5: Him, he can move, he's an athlete.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the question is just do you feel
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  Speaker 6: comfortable with him being you know, the second tight end
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  Speaker 6: behind Hunter Henry year one right out of the gate.
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  Speaker 6: And also is that you know, totally fair to him
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  Speaker 6: in terms of his development. To ask him to be
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  Speaker 6: a guy that's going to play forty forty five percent
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  Speaker 6: of the snaps, probably, I would say, you know, that's
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  Speaker 6: a position that normally that's asking a lot, you know,
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  Speaker 6: I think that right now with Raridan probably a past
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  Speaker 6: game player early on in his career, a guy that
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  Speaker 6: goes in certain packages, third down, red zone, that kind
• 15:09
  Speaker 6: of stuff. I don't know if he's ready to be
• 15:11
  Speaker 6: first and ten from the twenty five and you got
• 15:13
  Speaker 6: your hand in the dirt and you're blocking a two
• 15:15
  Speaker 6: hundred and sixty pound defensive end or outside linebacker. I'm
• 15:18
  Speaker 6: not sure if that's in the cards yet. So do
• 15:20
  Speaker 6: you go out and add a tight end that has
• 15:23
  Speaker 6: some experience and maybe a name that we all kind
• 15:25
  Speaker 6: of recognize to replace Julian Hill? Or are you really
• 15:28
  Speaker 6: just looking for bodies because you don't have you know,
• 15:31
  Speaker 6: you lost a layer of depth. I kind of leaned
• 15:34
  Speaker 6: towards the first one, But yesterday we were talking about
• 15:37
  Speaker 6: it on Cash twenty two and bar said he kind
• 15:39
  Speaker 6: of took it as he just meant camp bodies, like
• 15:41
  Speaker 6: they don't have the numbers at at tight end right now,
• 15:44
  Speaker 6: and I sort of feel like they need somebody to
• 15:47
  Speaker 6: truly replace Julian Hill.
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: I took him out. Yeah, but I'm always team Evo
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: everyone he talked about it.
• 15:53
  Speaker 6: I didn't mean to like make it about me versus him.
• 15:56
  Speaker 6: I don't what you guys.
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: The same way.
• 16:00
  Speaker 7: Yes, I agree with Bart they need more numbers, but
• 16:02
  Speaker 7: I think he needs someone moregant on the depth chart too.
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: James Pettigrew wants to know Zone Paul might be watching
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: the World Cup in the background.
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: Score So I did. I just want to know.
• 16:14
  Speaker 6: That's hilarious because he's been pooping on the World Cup
• 16:17
  Speaker 6: for weeks, so now now he's watching it.
• 16:20
  Speaker 7: Well, it just shows you that I'm a monkey because
• 16:22
  Speaker 7: usually it's the Finance channel there c NBC is on
• 16:25
  Speaker 7: and I'm watching.
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: You're trying to get with yourself.
• 16:28
  Speaker 7: I have a bad attention span, but I will say
• 16:31
  Speaker 7: two forty two into the World Cup was the first
• 16:33
  Speaker 7: fake injury credit Mexican.
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: I thought you were going to say, like eight minutes
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: was the first goal? The first goal, so you guys
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: say they never score.
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: They already saw direct.
• 16:44
  Speaker 7: This to mister World Cup, mister mister international soccer. Is
• 16:47
  Speaker 7: South Africa terrible because they've allowed like three point blank
• 16:50
  Speaker 7: shots already in the first eight minutes of the game.
• 16:52
  Speaker 7: The Balie just gave up a goal to himself.
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: They're not he gave the part, he gave the pocket
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: South Africa, he gave the ball right to Mexico and
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: the guy.
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: They're not. They're not a powerhouse by any means. And
• 17:02
  Speaker 6: Mexico is is kind of like the US where they're
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: not they're not really going to win it, but they're capable.
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, soccer, I love it.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: That's that's enough for soccer.
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: But is the problem that you made the tournament forty
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: eight teams is that you get teams in there that.
• 17:17
  Speaker 7: I will say, judging on the first ten minutes, this
• 17:18
  Speaker 7: game could end six nothing.
• 17:20
  Speaker 6: That probably won't, but maybe two or three nothing.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: All Right, we mentioned we didn't really do attendance in
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: depth yet today. Uh but you know, Gonzo was there,
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: didn't really participate much. Booty was there once they got
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: into seven and seven eleven eleven, he didn't really participate.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: He did interesting he did some of the against air drills,
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: but none of the anywhere whether there might be.
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: Content he did a little bit of He did that
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: stuff on Tuesday. Yeah, yeah, it didn't today interesting evolution.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Maybe he's sure, yeah, because he probably Morgan Moses.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we spotted him watching though, so good, he's you know,
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: still upright.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: But Jack Westover was the new the new absence and
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: gay accus. That's, you know, a big piece of the
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: last couple of days of I mean, I just I
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: think anybody you talked to is in the same position.
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: This is a guy at a position you wanted.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: And you were on one of your shows this morning, Duce.
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: And they was talking about Steven Spielberg.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: And they asked you about you know, are these really
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: important in terms of getting.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Behind and everything like that? And I think they are
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: especially for the young guys.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: I do, because they're going to go into training camp
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: assuming that they know certain things that they learned this spring.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: And if you weren't there, and it's and it's you're behind.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: But and we know, I mean, I don't know, I
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: mean guessing he's in the building. I'm guessing I don't
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: know if that's I mean, I don't know, all right,
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: So but either way, we know he wasn't on the
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: field at all. So I mean there's one thing to say, like,
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: oh a guy got hurt and he's not really participating,
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: but he's in the meetings and all that kind of stuff,
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: Like we don't know if he's even in that I believe.
• 18:54
  Speaker 7: I would just say, like, so, same position Harold Landry
• 18:58
  Speaker 7: and Gay Bacchus, not the same absence, you know, in
• 19:01
  Speaker 7: terms of impact of missing this time, it's obviously close
• 19:05
  Speaker 7: to meaningless for Harold Landry, provided that he's healthy when
• 19:09
  Speaker 7: he needs to be when the season starts, you know,
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: in training camp starts and all that. He doesn't need
• 19:14
  Speaker 7: to learn a system. He understands. He's been in different
• 19:16
  Speaker 7: systems in the league and had success. Not the case
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: for a rookie. You know, he has a lot to learn.
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: This is valuable time for him. I don't know to
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: answer your question, Mike, I don't know where he is.
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: I don't know if he is here physically, But this
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: is I think, you know, Parcells used to say in
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: Belichick used to say the same thing, like when you're
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: like a rookie in that stage and you miss days,
• 19:40
  Speaker 7: they they're almost like every day is almost like a week,
• 19:44
  Speaker 7: you know, and it just couns on you.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Fans, get fresh, Let the young kid play, and the
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: coaches he's not read hat. We can't just put him
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: out there. He doesn't know what's going on and he'll
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: here be a liability.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what my you know, Mike Smith said. I mean,
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: it's you can't sugarcoat it. He's not here, he's not
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: you know, he's get behind. I do think there's an
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: element of seaball get ball with him on third down,
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: like hey, like see what you got Like you know,
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: maybe you can ease him in a little bit easier, yeap.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: But it's just it's a glaring position when you look
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: at this roster and the overall have said it a
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: couple times in the last week. The top depth chart.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: If you roll into the season with the top of
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: the depth chart across, I think it's a really good team.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: I think it's a good team. It's going to compete
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: in the playoffs and get compete for division titles and
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: all that stuff. But it's hard not to see, you know,
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: maybe they believe, I mean, they really seem to believe
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: in Elijah Ponder. I mean they're pumping him up left
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: and right, and you know, I thought he was fine
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: last year and then you know, I think he got
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: some mop up reps. But that's his place without Landry,
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: without Acus there right now, that's the glaring spot that
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: we're all going to be looking at when we get
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: the training camp.
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: I think it's a bigger story with the team. I
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: know a lot of people would say Gonzalez's contract extension
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: probably is bigger, but I have I'm cautiously optimistic that
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: that's headed in the right direction just by his presence
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: here this week, and he hasn't done any of the
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: live team stuff, but I think being here participating in
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: some portion of practice. If that contract negotiation was going south,
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: I don't think that he would be doing all of that.
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: And with Achis, I mean, the way Rabel talked on
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: Tuesday about it was not good. You know, the body language,
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: all of it was not good. I did contract and
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: injury was like kind of like a two pronged one
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: where you know, we're talking a lot about him being
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: in the building, and Rabel said, everybody that's under contract
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: is here. Well, tried to slide one, Yeah, he's not
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: under contract, so he can read between the lines there
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: that he's not here. And an injury wise, you just
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: worry about what it is. First of all, we don't
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: really know how did it happen?
• 21:37
  Speaker 9: How?
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and second of all, like is this a long
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: term concern?
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: And did they know about it? There's a lot of
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: a lot of unanswered A.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Second frustra.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, like I was thinking about some of
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: the details of it, like of course, I mean he
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: played the Senior Bowl. I mean he was at the
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: combine when everybody gets tested. I know they spent they
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: said they spent a lot of time with him. It
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: just gets my brain wondering, like what would I even
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: speculate of, you know, did he go off on his
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: own and do something after the fact to.
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: Participate a combine and then he he had a private
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: workout for teams closer to the draft in early April
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: because he didn't do the combine or the pro day
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: because he had a hamstring issue. And I don't know
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: if it's the same injury, you know, it could be
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: something different. But unfortunately, like my mind immediately goes to
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: some of the guys that had, you know, serious injuries
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: coming in. You know, you guys always bring up a
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: guy like Dominique Easley or you know, Sony Michelle with
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: his knees or whatever the case may be. I have
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: no idea this is at all like that, but you
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: just hope it isn't, you know, because this is a
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: guy that they drafted to kind of be the sweetener
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: in that room, like you signed Raymond Jones, let calebon
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: Chase on walk Landry's back, ponders back, and this Actus
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: was supposed to be the addition. He was supposed to
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: be the add on to the guys you were bringing back.
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: So if he's not, you know, as involved as you
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: hope he was going to be, then you know, that's
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: a big loss.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: I wonder if Rabel is one of those you know
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: coaches that whole grudges a little bit and puts the
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: guy in a dog like let's say, training camp. Whatever
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: this procedure was, it's done, it's over, he comes in,
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: he signs his contract. Does this get held against him
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: a little bit? And is he held back or is
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: it okay now you're out there? Yeah, everything forgiven?
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And you know, I don't know. I mean I
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: look at him as a guy that's more like rugged,
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: like more of a play strained power kind of player.
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: So I thought early on that first and second down
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: was actually going to be where he was going to
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: be at and then third down, you know, if they
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: don't feel like he quite has the pass rush moves
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: and the juice and all that stuff yet to be
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: an impact player in the passing game. Maybe in Elijah
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: Ponder is the guy that comes on in those situations
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: and they split it that way. But you know, I
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: don't know, like early down, like we talked about it
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: last year, due how they trained up their front mechanics
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: and sometimes they're spilling, and sometimes they're boxing the edges,
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: and sometimes guys are dropping and like doing all these
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: different things. If you don't know you know what what
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: you're doing, then that's going to be a problem.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: I think Acis has the play style and the temperament
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: that he can get out of the doghouse quickly if
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: he starts putting it together and he's healthy. I don't
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: think Abile loves soft tissue injuries, so if we're going
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: down that hamstring route, that might not.
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's just the only injury. I hate to speculate,
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: but that's the only known injury with Achis that we
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: know about, and nobody's reported anything about what.
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: You have a hamstring, do you then have a procedure
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I guess.
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: There are some could be. I guess there are some
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: like strengthening procedures that they have nowadays.
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: Okay, what's the what's the like the plasma thing?
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: PRP. Yeah, not bunt oread.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: He's not to do that.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: He's not well, you know, I mean, he is learning
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: nutrition at the NFL level.
• 24:46
  Speaker 7: No, what I would the questions that I would have
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: about Rabel's sort of mentality on Tuesday, because I definitely
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: agree with you guys that he was annoyed. He definitely
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: had some level of frustration. Is the frustration maybe not
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: necessarily with Actus. Is he frustrated at our medical team?
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: Do we miss something?
• 25:07
  Speaker 10: Yeah?
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 25:09
  Speaker 7: Did he have a pre existing injury that we missed
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: or we didn't recognize as being as significant as it
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: was could be? I mean, again to Fred's point, did
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: he go from the combine and when he got drafted
• 25:22
  Speaker 7: and everything and then working out on his own, did
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: something didn't maybe didn't reveal it right, and then all
• 25:27
  Speaker 7: of a sudden he shows up and he's like, you
• 25:29
  Speaker 7: got this, this and this. You can't we can't get
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: you on the field. You know, you're not ready to
• 25:34
  Speaker 7: be on the field. So I think there's a lot
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: of different reasons why Rabel would be frustrated.
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: We just don't know what.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: We just don't know.
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: Now he's got like fifty days to figure it out,
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: and we walk in training camp.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: This is what everyone's going to be wondering. Is this
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: guy in the building. I mean, we'll get some heads
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: up when he hopefully signs a contract. I mean that's
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: probably something. The second round pick that hasn't signed.
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Bengals guy, the Bengals guy signed the.
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: House signed the other day. So he's now the Patriots
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: lone draft pick on sign and he's the only second
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: round pick in the league WHO'SUNSOTND.
• 26:02
  Speaker 7: And I'm going to go on a limb and say
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: the reason he is unsigned is related to whatever this is. Yeah,
• 26:08
  Speaker 7: I think it's something like some kind of it.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: Could be like did this happen while you were drafted
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: with the team? Is this what? What is it? And
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: and non football injury n f I thing where you
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: can guess the language that they want to include.
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I just I think that it's more to like,
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: you know, Vrabel this morning said he seemed pretty bullish
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: on the edge group and maybe he knows that this
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: is a big story right now, so he's trying to
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: pour cold water on it. But he was hyping up
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: Ponder and Swinson and you know, uh, you know a
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: couple of these other guys, uh uh, Draymond Jones, Landry.
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: I think he made it kind of seem like, no,
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: this is just veteran management in the spring, like Harold
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: Anders played a lot of football. He doesn't need to
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: play right now, you know, that sort of stuff. But
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: it brings up the question, if you're Elliott Wolf, are
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: you sitting there saying we need to make some calls,
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: like we need to bring in another guy, you know,
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: whether it's a free agent or calling the Giants about
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: Cavon Thibadeaux or whatever the case may be. Are we
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: at the point where they need to add a significant piece,
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: not someone that's just a depth body.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's a it's an odd situation because
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: every indication, you know, when he was drafted was Wow,
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: this guy wants to go. You know, he's like, give
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: me the playbook, I'll give you one hundred percent. I
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: am let's you know, it seemed like he was just
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: ready to get out there. So this is an odd
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: situation and kind of you feel like this must have
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: been something that happened after the fact, but we don't know.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: We have no idea, and Rabel knows and whatever it is,
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: he's not happy. Like to Paul's point, who he's not
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: happy with, we don't know that either. No, we don't
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: know that either.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: You hope that at some point we hear the contract
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: has been signed and then he's out there at least
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: watching you know, tiny camp. I mean, well, that's something
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: about the contract is that you know, based off of
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: Rabel's comments, is that he hasn't signed the contract either,
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: So he's not even here even in the meetings or
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: observing or doing any of those types of things out
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: of practice. So if he was doing all those things,
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: and I'd feel a lot better about it, like if
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: he was still watching film in the meeting rooms.
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: That's why I think it has something to do with
• 28:13
  Speaker 7: the injury, is why the contract isn't signed, because I
• 28:15
  Speaker 7: think he'd be here. Yeah, if it was just like negotiating,
• 28:18
  Speaker 7: like you know, I'm a second round pick. I want
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: all four years guaranteed. Well, no, we won't offset language.
• 28:24
  Speaker 7: He's here and he's in meetings, just like everybody else
• 28:26
  Speaker 7: that's unsigned around the league, you know, leading up to
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: this point. The fact that he's not here, if he's
• 28:32
  Speaker 7: not here again, if he's not here, tells me that
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: it's something like what Mike talked about, like you know,
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: the Patriots sort of feeling when.
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: Did it happen? It's not like we should have some
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: protection against this if this is a thing, which, well,
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: we're due time.
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: It's July twenty fifth, is the first day of practice, right, Yeah,
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: so in those in those days leading up to that,
• 28:53
  Speaker 7: generally the lists start getting formed, poup and if I
• 28:58
  Speaker 7: you know who's got what. And my guess is we'll
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: find out what the state of gay backer. Hopefully we'll
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: find out before then. Someone will do some reporting for us.
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: Be nice, get on, get on the Capitol j journalists
• 29:11
  Speaker 7: will do do our work for us. But yeah, that's
• 29:15
  Speaker 7: definitely something to monitor.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: And so that's our second round pick. Our first round
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: pick has been active. He's there, full participant.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: Playing both both tackles, playing guard all over the place.
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, cross training them all over the place. Today
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: we saw him repping out left guard next to Campbell
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: a little bit uh right tackle left Uh, So you know,
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: all all over the line and clearly trying to maybe
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: cross train him to be like the sixth guy. You know,
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: if any if someone goes down, then we're putting you in,
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: you know, whether besides probably center, I would say, but
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: everywhere else, like you know, even if it's a guard,
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: especially left guard. Uh you know you he would play.
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: So it's been interesting to see how they've been doing that.
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: He looks athletic to me, like I did.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: I don't think his size is overwhelming and he's well proportioned,
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: but I just I think he moves out of his
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: stands pretty well. I mean, hard to tell at this
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: stage of the game, but physically kind of came as advertising.
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: Definitely more athlete than road grader, no question. He is
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: a kind of a Will Campbell built, I mean a
• 30:13
  Speaker 7: little different, but yeah, he's athletic.
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: You know, It's one funny thing I couldn't help but
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: kind of rag on the Jets, but with a V.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: T R.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: Tucker was they were talking and yesterday're interviewing him and
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: they're asking him about the sled pushing that he did,
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: and he was talking a little bit about the spring.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: Vabels had them all in families and you know, you're
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: getting to know a small group of players, and he
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: was just like, you know, there aren't a lot of
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: teams around the league that are doing this kind of
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: thing right now, really, and I just couldn't help but think.
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: I gotta take a shot at the Jets.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: You gotta take a shot at.
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: The Jets, I think he said somewhere. He also said
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: something about it's good to be at a place with expectations,
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: like you.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Know, everything, you know, like positive expectations in terms of Jets,
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: of expectations, they just don't expect to do it.
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: But he was talking about in terms of practice habits
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: like that there's like a standard, you know, of practice habits.
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: And I think we have Patriots way in the spring.
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: I mean today was just as like as his tents
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: of a practice as it gets per Yeah, sure, June, Yeah,
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: it was. They were getting after.
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: It real quick.
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  Speaker 4: To just a shout out to our photographer Eric Adler,
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: who got a great shot we just posted on Twitter
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: of the a J. Brown catch. Got a great four
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: parter of him going up and getting the ball. Doesn't
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: really capture the spirit of the thing because you're you're
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: getting him because I guess he.
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: Would have been over his left shoulder. Still shots, and
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: then he turned to his right, give me still shot.
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: Show me. That's as close as we're gonna get approved
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: by me.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: By the way, Hell yeah, all right. Eight five past
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: five hundred is the hot line.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: You see that on the bottom of your screen. Podcast
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: at Patriots dot com is the email address.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the phones.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: We got people at this weird hour of the day
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: for Patriots Unfiltered still tuning in live appreciate that.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: We'll go to Herman d C.
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: What's up, herm Hey, what's going on?
• 31:54
  Speaker 9: And then.
• 31:58
  Speaker 11: I'm thinking, jokingly, you guys should probably following seasons assist
• 32:02
  Speaker 11: against the stillers, because that was a short thing called
• 32:05
  Speaker 11: Forged and.
• 32:06
  Speaker 9: Steel on YouTube.
• 32:07
  Speaker 11: But anyway, my ask your question is this, when did
• 32:13
  Speaker 11: Robert Kraft developed this reputation for quote unquote being cheap right?
• 32:19
  Speaker 11: Because I think when you listen to you know, the
• 32:23
  Speaker 11: broader Boston sports media, you would think that he'd be,
• 32:25
  Speaker 11: you know, the owner of the Cincinnati Bengals, because I mean,
• 32:29
  Speaker 11: I was fairly young at that time when I was
• 32:31
  Speaker 11: when when he paid Drew Bledsoe cully that was you know,
• 32:36
  Speaker 11: partly I think the biggest contract at that time. But
• 32:39
  Speaker 11: then Bill Belichick came in, and I'm assuming he told
• 32:42
  Speaker 11: Robert Craft because let's do things differently. So Robert Kraft
• 32:46
  Speaker 11: adjusted to his head coaches. I guess decision making process
• 32:50
  Speaker 11: in terms of contracts, and now it seems that he's
• 32:54
  Speaker 11: made reverting back to pre Belichick. So my question again
• 32:59
  Speaker 11: to go back to was initially asking my question to
• 33:01
  Speaker 11: you was, I guess when and how they rub a
• 33:05
  Speaker 11: Kraft develop excuse me the repetition will being cheap not
• 33:10
  Speaker 11: taking up.
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: I don't really understand the question.
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: Well, I I do plan so so was the highest
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: paid player and you know, the highest paid quarterback for
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: like ten minutes, just like Tom Brady was periodically. Like
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: I don't really quarterbacks are different. Like when they're up
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: and you have one, they become the highest paid guy.
• 33:34
  Speaker 7: Now Brady certainly could have gotten more than he did
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: throughout his career, but he was very highly paid throughout
• 33:40
  Speaker 7: his career. But that's the quarterback. The rest of it,
• 33:43
  Speaker 7: I don't think is all that different. I don't I
• 33:46
  Speaker 7: don't really see these ebbs and flows. I think they've
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: been a very consistent ownership group, and you know they've
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: they've given out some big contracts, most of which have
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: been okay, some of which have come back to haunt them.
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: But I think that they've been pretty consistent.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Well, I think there's two things. A he's a local
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: guy and he's not a guy known for like owning
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Walmart or owning oil fields or things like that. So
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: I think he came into the league as a former
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: season ticket holder and not having the deep pockets that
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: some owners have.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: So there's that.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Then then the second thing is the way he and
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: Belichick ran the team. You know, they're always looking for value,
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: and I think partly it's you know, Robert Kraft leaning
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: on him, saying I'm paying you the highest amount of
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: any coach in sports. You know, sometimes you're gonna have
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: to do more with less. And the other thing is
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: Belichick the way he would structure his locker room. I
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: think the hierarchy of salaries, believing or not, was very
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: important to Belichick.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: He always made sure.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: That certain guys didn't make more than other guys and
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: always structured it that way.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: And then he rewarded guys you.
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: Know, like, uh, who was uh, you know, James Sanders, James.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Sanders heverwored guys like that that were, you know, his guys,
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: but who made what on his team.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: He paid attention to that.
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: So yeah, it was important to Bill.
• 35:16
  Speaker 7: I mean Tom set the bar and no one, no
• 35:19
  Speaker 7: one was going to no one was going to approach him,
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: but he would he would think not like I used
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: to get frustrated because I felt like they would waste
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: money that was considered like Nichols and Dimes with no
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: concern whatsoever. But I mean, guys just got contracts that
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: they didn't have to get. They were like minimum like
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: kind of players, and then they would sign them early,
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: extend them and get them out. But then you know,
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: the big money guys like Seymour are getting dragged through
• 35:50
  Speaker 7: in the mud, Logan Mankins, you know, get you know,
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: these guys end up getting traded because they wanted to
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: get paid market value. That's what I used to get frustrated,
• 35:58
  Speaker 7: And I do think that was to Herm's point. I
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: think that was as much Belichick's philosophy as Robert krafts
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: oh and Belichick strongly believed in that.
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, but the real cash spending stuff is
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: coming from your shows, Paul. I mean they beat the
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: drum on that. Every time I'm listening to them, they're
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: talking about that.
• 36:15
  Speaker 7: And it's not just the page. I think that's been
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: very consistent. At my point, I don't think there's been
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: these ebbs and flows now. I think they're very consistent.
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: And to be fair, like they give it to the
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: Red Sox plenty about it as well and all, and
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: you know, their equal opportunity when it comes to that topic.
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: But over the last couple of off seasons, I've been
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: pleasantly surprised by the spending and how much they're going
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: for it. You know, two off seasons in a row
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: they've they've been spenders, you know, trading for aj Brown
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: and paying Romeo Dobbs and yep. Making some big moves
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: this offseason. After the big haul that they had in
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: free agency last year where they paid Milton Williams the
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: biggest free agent contract of the entire offseason, I wasn't
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: fully expecting back to back big expenditures because in twenty
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: one they didn't do that. They spent big in twenty
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: one and they pulled back two. Maybe that was Bill,
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: you know, that was some the.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: Consistent pursuit of high, big name wide receivers over the
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: last two years, I think has been to me the
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: biggest shift post Bill. It's the Calvin Ridley's, it's the
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: Brandon Ayux, it's the AJ Browns. It's there in on
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: those guys and you know Bill like that those No, I.
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: Don't know if he wanted those guys.
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: And it seems to me like Elliott Wolf and Bryan
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: Cowden in this group now understand especially at this point.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: I think, you know what's frustrating for me was just
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: when you heard them talk about having Mac Jones and
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: being like, you know, we've got him in this this
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: now is the time to do it, and they never
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: really did it.
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: You know, they never really gave him any of these
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: kind of guys.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: Now, they've missed out on Ayuk and probably for the best,
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: you know, they missed out on you know, Calvin Ridley,
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: but they got AJ Brown And you know, I just
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: think that that dedication showing that they value what we've
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: talked about so.
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: Much and those those things that we've been talking about
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: the whole offseason about like the commitment and the resources
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: they're devoting to the offense, and to like there was
• 37:56
  Speaker 7: a an excitement in Drake's voice yesterday.
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: I don't know if Fred if you know what, I
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: got a chance to talk to Drake Man. I've got
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: a picture of it.
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: No, but there was like I asked him that question
• 38:06
  Speaker 7: about it and it's not his profile pick he was
• 38:12
  Speaker 7: there was I just said, you know how we were like,
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: you have two first round tackles, you go in two
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: big name, high, you know, high priced wide receivers. That's
• 38:20
  Speaker 7: a lot of confidence in you that there's like they're
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: gonna get that they they're worth investing because.
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: They have you.
• 38:27
  Speaker 7: And he was like, it's impossible not to get excited
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: about playing with those kinds of players, and you could
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: hear it in his voice, you could see it.
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: In his face. And that's been so cool a lot.
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: I mean, Diggs last year and then Brown.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: I mean my first few year is not a lot
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: of like elite talented wide receivers on the field, and
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: when you see these guys in which special athletes there
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: and you know, it was like last year with Diggs,
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: it was just something I didn't really anticipate. Was just
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: the way he runs routes and the way he kind
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: of tempos things and he's really hard to get a
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: beat on that's not a J.
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: Brown.
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: AJ Brown wins his own way, but he's another one
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: who's a special athlete.
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: Different, But I say, watch.
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I would say a J. Brown is more specimen.
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah Diggs was more crafty.
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah that's but to me, it's the value of having
• 39:11
  Speaker 7: an elite receiver. And you know, I just want to
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: speak on behalf of Evan and I. We want to
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: welcome Mike to the town, to the talent portion of
• 39:19
  Speaker 7: the show because that's the kind of stuff that we've
• 39:22
  Speaker 7: been talking about.
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: I said to Pauli after he made the catch today,
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: I was like, I think it was Jalen Hurts's fault.
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: He goes, I'm not sure, but I think it may
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: have been Jalen.
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: H Well, that's you know, one more thing just along
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: those lines that talking to some people, you know, along
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: the sideline. It's just what stands out to me about
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: this twenty twenty six Patriots team right now is the
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: size and the physicality that there. It's going to be
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: a different team this year. Like you know, I bring
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: up Gilliam first, but A J. Brown is a big player.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: We know Mac Collins is a big physical player. Dobbs
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: is a pretty big player. They just they're going to
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: be harder to play against with some of these the
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: physicality that they have, you know, not just at the
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: receiver position, but now now you know, having a legit
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: proven fullback, that's another option for them to go to Romandre.
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: We know he's a big, physical guy.
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: I just I'm excited to see this evolution because I
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: think they're going to be much harder to play against
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: on offense this year.
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: That was an emphasis. So when we go we're at
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: the combine, he said that to us that they needed
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: to get stronger and get bigger, and be more physical
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: and win the line of scrimmage more because I think
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: they felt in the playoffs that they kind of got dominated,
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: especially offensively on the line of scrimmage. So I think
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: they really went out and tried to seek players and
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: unfortunately one of them got hurt with Julian Hill, but
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: they tried to seek players that were going to make
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: them a more physical, you know, January style football team
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: and less so reliant maybe on you know, the deep
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: passing and stuff like that that doesn't always travel. So
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: we're we're seeing it. And those receivers are huge, like
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: like AJ Brown, and Romeo Dobbs are just flat out
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: big dudes. And Eli Raarden is a big guy too,
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: So they've definitely added a lot of big bodies.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Anthony's and Seattle. What's up, Anthony?
• 40:57
  Speaker 12: It was a bread Paul deuce Evan doing all right?
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: YO know Alex today? I know Alex today.
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: He's busy.
• 41:05
  Speaker 12: All right, I've been when I want to catch catch
• 41:07
  Speaker 12: you guys later. And then when we get into the
• 41:09
  Speaker 12: off season shows. Her and Paul talked a little bit
• 41:11
  Speaker 12: about the show My Friends and Neighbors with John Hamm
• 41:14
  Speaker 12: and uh, I wanted to get into that. Uh hey, uh,
• 41:18
  Speaker 12: I gotta tell you. Uh Herm is a he's a
• 41:21
  Speaker 12: He's a hell of a conversation starter man. He always
• 41:23
  Speaker 12: asks good questions. And uh, Fred, you took the words
• 41:26
  Speaker 12: out of my mouth. I think crapp let Bill run
• 41:28
  Speaker 12: the show and.
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: Bill was cheap.
• 41:31
  Speaker 12: But uh, the reason for my call is, uh so,
• 41:34
  Speaker 12: you guys have gotten me a little bit giddy today.
• 41:36
  Speaker 12: I'm gonna play the role of Wilhelman film today. You know,
• 41:40
  Speaker 12: I've seen read multiple reports of you know Drake May
• 41:43
  Speaker 12: you know his comfort in the ear or two and
• 41:45
  Speaker 12: in the system, and you know I take more.
• 41:48
  Speaker 13: I take h.
• 41:49
  Speaker 12: It means more to me when when I hear from
• 41:51
  Speaker 12: you guys directly. So I did see the video, the
• 41:55
  Speaker 12: Camp Update video that uh Paul inducedd and you know
• 42:00
  Speaker 12: you said that, like, you know Drake May's comfort and
• 42:02
  Speaker 12: command of the system, and he said he's primed for
• 42:04
  Speaker 12: a leap, and I'm thinking, like, what what leaf could
• 42:07
  Speaker 12: he possibly take? I mean, if he takes the leaf,
• 42:09
  Speaker 12: he's gonna he's gonna be the best quarterback in football.
• 42:11
  Speaker 12: And then Evan talking about him yesterday on Catch twenty
• 42:15
  Speaker 12: two said kind of similar things, you know of his
• 42:17
  Speaker 12: command and control of the system. And I got two
• 42:20
  Speaker 12: questions and and I'll get off the air. One is
• 42:23
  Speaker 12: for Paul. Is h you often said that, you know,
• 42:26
  Speaker 12: during this h during this time of year, and I
• 42:29
  Speaker 12: get a subsama party and everything. During the Brady era,
• 42:32
  Speaker 12: the ball never touched the ground, So would you say
• 42:35
  Speaker 12: that this has been Brady esque? And then my other
• 42:38
  Speaker 12: question is now and this is just not a This
• 42:41
  Speaker 12: is not a what do you call it a prediction?
• 42:45
  Speaker 12: This is more of just kind of what you see.
• 42:47
  Speaker 12: And I'll tell you what I think, but I want
• 42:49
  Speaker 12: to know what you guys think. Trend wise, do you
• 42:51
  Speaker 12: would you say that Drake May is trending toward greatness
• 42:55
  Speaker 12: because I believe he is. Now it's only two years
• 42:58
  Speaker 12: in and he's going into the year three, very in
• 43:00
  Speaker 12: his career, very very early. We're talking about training camp
• 43:03
  Speaker 12: right now too. But I play through two years. I
• 43:05
  Speaker 12: think he's trending toward greatness, and I'd be interested in knowing.
• 43:08
  Speaker 12: Do you guys feel the same way?
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: I thank you?
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: So two things there, I would say in terms of
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: the ball not touching Tuesday was like that, not today, it.
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: Was not Brady like yeah, not today either day.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: And I think trending toward greatness, I wouldn't say that yet.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: I see that he has the tools to be great, But.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: The one thing that I think is needed in the
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: leap for that leap is upstairs when it comes to
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: the better defenses. And we saw it during the playoffs
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: that that still is something that we need to see
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: before we can say he's he's great.
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I think the idea of him being
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: in the in the second year in the system is
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: hopefully having more tools at his disposal to play against
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: those better defenses. It's one thing that you know when
• 43:59
  Speaker 6: you're playing some of the the bottom ten teams in
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: the league. If you're better, you're better, right, you know,
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: But get to play Seattle and Houston and those great defenses.
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: Hopefully there's some more things at his disposal, especially at
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: the line of scrimmage. You know, they've talked a little
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: bit about it. Maybe it's more us talking about it,
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: but it's a league wide conversation about offenses trying to
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: play faster and using more tempo and getting to the
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: line of scrimmage quicker and out of the huddle quicker,
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: and all those different types of things. And the Patriots
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: last year were twenty eighth in the NFL in terms
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: of time between plays, so they took a lot of
• 44:34
  Speaker 6: time in between plays. They were dead last in the
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: league in no huddle usage. Now that could have been
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: because they were winning a lot, but they also just
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: didn't use a lot of no huddle. So, can you
• 44:45
  Speaker 6: get some tempo to your offense and maybe that helps
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: you slow down some of those defenses that are coming
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: after him. There's just something to throw him off balance,
• 44:54
  Speaker 6: you know, little things like that that I think, because
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: he has such a grasp of the language of the system,
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: can go ahead and now use some of these tricks.
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: I just think they've done everything. I mean, all the
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: tools are there.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, the protection they're trying to build, that they're
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: bringing in, the quality wide receivers. You've got Josh McDaniels,
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: who you know is probably gonna end up in the
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: Patriots All Fame before it's all said and done.
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: I mean, the guy's seen and done at all.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: I just think it's all on Drake and it's probably
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: a little bit of pressure, and I think it's gonna
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: be harder this year. And I think in some ways
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: last year we'll hang over his head a little bit
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: when he's not completing a large percentage and an unreal
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: percentage of his passes. But you know, I'm just hopeful that,
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: like Evan said, he's gonna have the tools to get
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: through this year.
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: Like I remember when Brady would like, go to that
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: NASCAR package and you just have one word, and I
• 45:38
  Speaker 6: would tell all eleven guys what they were doing on
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: the field, and it ammed a lot of their plays
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: after actually, like NBA legends, so like Jordan, Charles Barkley,
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: things like that, and they would just be able to
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: stay in the same personnel grouping and run all the
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: whole gamut of the playbook out of that one personnel grouping,
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: and you just get the defense. You catch them in
• 45:58
  Speaker 6: a certain defensive grouping, and now all of a sudden,
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: you just hit you spam a certain button and they
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: just can't stop it, and they can't substitute, they can't
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: call plays from the sideline. So they're kind of basic
• 46:09
  Speaker 6: and what they're running, and like, those are the types
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: of things that when you get a mastery of a system,
• 46:13
  Speaker 6: you're able to do a lot more.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: You're dictating.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, wouldn't be so interesting just to hear Tom
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: Brady and Drake may kind of have a conversation just
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: about the development as quarterback and you know, the things
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: you learn, and just every time I hear Brady going
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: on these shows and talk about his development of quarterback
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: and how they teams don't develop quarterbacks anymore, I'm sure
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: he looks at what Josh is doing with Drake and saying,
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: this is how it should be.
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: They're going to try to develop this game.
• 46:40
  Speaker 6: There was one there was one clip of Brady. It
• 46:43
  Speaker 6: was when Gronk was here last year, and he's walking
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: on the field with Drake and they facetimed Tom Brady
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: and Gronk said to Brady, you know, we actually we
• 46:52
  Speaker 6: threw some passes. I caught some balls from him and
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: Brady was like, oh yeah, and He's like, yeah, we
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: ran Charles Barkley. And Brady loved it. He absolutely loved it.
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: And I was like, isn't that the type of stuff
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: that Deuce is talking about? That, Like, it would be
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: great to hear the two of them talk about the
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: same system in the same language that they're both speaking, and.
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: Like the learning curve and what's what's hard?
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: You know, what are the hard things to really you know,
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: nail down and you know, I mean they go back
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: to Bill saying, you know, Brady midway through two thousand
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: and three was when he really felt like he was
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: cooking with gas.
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: You know, is it going to take that long for Drake?
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: Is it going to take longer? Is it going to happen?
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: You know, Brady?
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: They don't know, you don't know?
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Yeh, nateson Connecticut? What's up? Nate?
• 47:32
  Speaker 14: Hey, can you guys here?
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: We will yeah, we can.
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 47:37
  Speaker 14: So this is going to be a little redundant for
• 47:39
  Speaker 14: some of you guys. But AJ Brown, I've got two questions.
• 47:43
  Speaker 14: First off, and him was initially signed. Looking at a
• 47:47
  Speaker 14: whole bunch of social media posts, a lot of the
• 47:50
  Speaker 14: comics said, can't wait for the week out for the
• 47:53
  Speaker 14: week eight crash out, and you know, so long with
• 47:56
  Speaker 14: him crashing out? Do you think that is going to
• 47:58
  Speaker 14: happen at all this year?
• 48:00
  Speaker 10: And uh?
• 48:00
  Speaker 14: Second off, him wearing number one, I think doesn't really
• 48:05
  Speaker 14: fit him, considering that number one isn't very a good
• 48:08
  Speaker 14: number here in New England.
• 48:09
  Speaker 12: You know, Jalen Polk and.
• 48:11
  Speaker 14: Kill Harry has just had a bad history Smith. Uh so, yeah,
• 48:14
  Speaker 14: I just want you guys thoughts on that it's in
• 48:16
  Speaker 14: a while.
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: They called him, Okay, I'll leave the number for Paul,
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: But I love Nate. I couldn't care less what number
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: they were.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: I figured you'd be all in on this one. His
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: numbers in uniform right up your ballet.
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: So he's going back to his college number. Yeah, so
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: you were you weren't one in college? And he said
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: that he always wanted to wear one in the pros,
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: but in Tennessee and Philadelphia one was already taken when
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: he got there, so he wasn't able to do it.
• 48:43
  Speaker 6: And then he also kind of, you know, paid respects
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: to Julian Edelman and said that he didn't want to
• 48:48
  Speaker 6: take eleven because Edelman, and so then we got the one.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: In regards to the crash out, I just feel like
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: we're in the honeymoon phase right now and it's impossible
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: to be He seems like he's so happy, like I
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: can't even imagine.
• 48:59
  Speaker 7: How know something like like I'm sure that they didn't
• 49:02
  Speaker 7: see it coming in Philly either, but it happened all
• 49:05
  Speaker 7: the quarterbacks.
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: Let's hope. Let's hope that they don't. He doesn't ever
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: like a falling out with Drake May.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: You know, I can't imagine that's impossible, at least.
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: Smiling a couple of years in Philly before it went sour.
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: But they were like best friends, I know.
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: But I'm just saying this is like the godfather of
• 49:25
  Speaker 6: his child. The first two years in Philly, he was
• 49:27
  Speaker 6: a first team All Pro receiver. But I'm saying a
• 49:30
  Speaker 6: couple of years. But but I also don't think that
• 49:33
  Speaker 6: he's as close to May as he was with her.
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: And there was a falling out, that's all I'm saying.
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: There was There's no way, there's no way of knowing like.
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: The unknowable, you just can't try to figure it out
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: right now when it seems like the vibes you're asking me, now,
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: I think something's going to happen this year. Nope, I
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: think I think it's at least one year. It will
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: be like a honeymoon.
• 49:54
  Speaker 6: Comes with the territory, like if you want this kind
• 49:56
  Speaker 6: of talent at that position, they're all like this, like
• 49:59
  Speaker 6: did was like it, A J. Brown's going to be
• 50:02
  Speaker 6: like it.
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: But from what we've seen here too, like Mini can'tes,
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: it's like they're going to do everything they can to
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: get this guy involved.
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: So you know, it's.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: It's been a lot like yeah, you know, put him
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: on many times.
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: You think you'll be targeted this year at least one twentieth,
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: not more so what he did last year.
• 50:18
  Speaker 7: But the damage had been done, That's all I'm saying.
• 50:21
  Speaker 7: But they had a personal following out right exactly.
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: That's exactly what I'm saying. There's no way of not
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: like you can't predict personal fallouts.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: How could you possibly know.
• 50:30
  Speaker 7: What somebody's gonna assault his mother and he's you and
• 50:33
  Speaker 7: you and I are going to get a fighter two
• 50:35
  Speaker 7: years are ball?
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: I could how do you know? Could Colleen's in Houston?
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: Hey Colleen, Hey guys, Uh, thank you for taking my cow.
• 50:48
  Speaker 15: So first of all, uh, last time I called him,
• 50:54
  Speaker 15: I was saying before it's Super Bowl that Marty mob
• 50:57
  Speaker 15: Who was gonna make a great play in the Super Bowl.
• 51:01
  Speaker 15: So I am wrong about things, but I am upset
• 51:09
  Speaker 15: about Gabe Akis. I really think that he could be
• 51:13
  Speaker 15: a good player, but he's focusing on not the.
• 51:17
  Speaker 10: Game and not how do you know that?
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know?
• 51:22
  Speaker 15: Tell me I'm wrong.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: We have not injured and had surgery on something. We
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: just don't know what it was.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't know what the situation is. So this
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: could be completely out of his control. It could be
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: just an unfortunate thing that happened. We really don't know
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: what's going on.
• 51:37
  Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, you guys know enough that it has
• 51:42
  Speaker 15: nothing to.
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: Do with the surgery, right like, no, oh, no, no, no,
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: it's exactly the opposite. It's exactly the opposite. He had
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: surgery on an injury.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the coach came right out and said he had
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: a procedure. Yeah, so he wouldn't say that if it
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: wasn't true.
• 51:58
  Speaker 15: No, No, I'm I'm not saying they're lying. I I
• 52:03
  Speaker 15: guarantee he had a surgery. I know that that's true.
• 52:07
  Speaker 15: But is it why he's not around?
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know.
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: I don't know either, why he's not around. I don't know.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. So I'm hoping
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: for the best, Colleen, hoping for the best. Yeah, thank you,
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: all right, thanks? Thanks? Yeah, I mean I like that call.
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, controversy, Sure, it's my kind of call.
• 52:30
  Speaker 6: I mean, as she implying that it's the contract.
• 52:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think she's implying that he's his head's not
• 52:36
  Speaker 7: where it should be because he's worried about other things.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: I mean maybe, but it's kind of slotted in. There's
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: only some particulars second.
• 52:44
  Speaker 6: Round point all thirty one other second round picks have
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: signed now. So like if you look at he was
• 52:49
  Speaker 6: drafted fifty five, you look at fifty four, and you
• 52:51
  Speaker 6: look at fifty six, and it's like, this is what
• 52:53
  Speaker 6: everybody's getting. Dude, Like, I don't know why.
• 52:55
  Speaker 7: I think Mike is onto something when he says I
• 52:57
  Speaker 7: wonder if it's like an NFI situation, something they didn't
• 53:00
  Speaker 7: know about, something happened to wait for.
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: Football, trying to get protection on it.
• 53:03
  Speaker 7: But it's kind of silly to just keep speculating when
• 53:05
  Speaker 7: we really don't have any idea.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Yea, Eddie's in New York.
• 53:08
  Speaker 10: Hey, Eddie, Hey, how's it going, guys?
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: Okay, okay?
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Good?
• 53:14
  Speaker 10: Love to show love you guys. Look forward to it
• 53:16
  Speaker 10: every week. Two part question here, number one one. I
• 53:20
  Speaker 10: don't know there's two parts because they kind of correlated.
• 53:23
  Speaker 10: I know it's early in training camp and it's hard
• 53:26
  Speaker 10: to even read what Rabel's mentality is, but I'm pretty
• 53:31
  Speaker 10: much set at aj Brown one Dobs being number two.
• 53:35
  Speaker 10: My question is, do you guys think that if you
• 53:38
  Speaker 10: put in Mac Collins at three as an effort to
• 53:41
  Speaker 10: go bigger instead of going faster, do you think that's
• 53:44
  Speaker 10: the best way to go for success or do you
• 53:47
  Speaker 10: plug against somebody faster. You know, we're more technique at three,
• 53:52
  Speaker 10: and you know, for more success because again, Drake May
• 53:55
  Speaker 10: is a six.
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: Or four guy.
• 53:56
  Speaker 10: The wide receivers are big, and he made an effort
• 53:59
  Speaker 10: to go bigger. Bigger doesn't always equal to faster. Obviously,
• 54:04
  Speaker 10: I'm trying to lean towards what's more successful, and me
• 54:08
  Speaker 10: being a viewer and and you know, constant tato. You
• 54:11
  Speaker 10: guys have more insight than I do. Which one you
• 54:14
  Speaker 10: think they should go with Collins at three in essence
• 54:18
  Speaker 10: to go bigger or plug in a smaller, shiftier guy
• 54:22
  Speaker 10: at three. Thanks for taking call.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: I think it's a it's a fair question.
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: It's an excellent question.
• 54:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it'd be a very situational Exactly they going up against?
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: What kind of defense do they play? Where the matchups,
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: what's the situation in the game. But I heard the
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: at about it though.
• 54:38
  Speaker 9: You know, like a J.
• 54:39
  Speaker 6: Brown and Romeo Dobbs are bigger, sturdier, power oriented players. Ideally,
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: like a Kyle Williams or Pop Douglas in passing situations,
• 54:48
  Speaker 6: is the third guy to give you some speed in
• 54:51
  Speaker 6: some separation, Like if you put Brown Dobbs and Booty
• 54:54
  Speaker 6: or Brown Dobs in Hollins, it's it's got great size
• 54:58
  Speaker 6: and they have their own strengths, but it's not a
• 55:00
  Speaker 6: very fast group. But if you have one guy like
• 55:03
  Speaker 6: Booty or Kyle Williams or excuse me, Popping Kyle and
• 55:07
  Speaker 6: Kyle Williams, then you have a little bit of burst
• 55:09
  Speaker 6: there with one of the guys.
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: Pop Douglas Williams you have a.
• 55:16
  Speaker 6: Little bit of burst there.
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: I thought Pop's had a good day for you. Pop's
• 55:20
  Speaker 5: had a good couple of days. I just think he's
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: been active.
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: And Drake was praising I remember last year they asked
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: him about Pop and he was like, he's got to
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: know the right place to be. I think the last
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: year was you know, he hinted that Pop Douglas wasn't
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: always where he needs to be. Ask him this year
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: about him and he says he's where he needs to be.
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: So that's why I consistently showing up Eddie.
• 55:38
  Speaker 7: You know, Like it's a great question, and there are
• 55:40
  Speaker 7: those two scenarios that you guys just unfolded. If it's
• 55:45
  Speaker 7: a question between Mac Collins and Kyle Williams, I'll take
• 55:48
  Speaker 7: Mac Collins. If it's you know, you know, Mac Collins
• 55:51
  Speaker 7: in to Mario Douglas, I'll take Mac Collins. But like,
• 55:55
  Speaker 7: if you had a fast guy that was a little
• 55:59
  Speaker 7: bit more polished or whatever, you know, if Booty was faster,
• 56:03
  Speaker 7: you know what I mean. In other words, if Booty
• 56:05
  Speaker 7: was one of these these speed guys that we're talking about,
• 56:08
  Speaker 7: then I would say Booty. I'll take Booty over Mac Collins.
• 56:12
  Speaker 7: But I first of all, I think mac Collins has
• 56:14
  Speaker 7: decent speed. I know he's definitely a sized guy. He's
• 56:17
  Speaker 7: more of a physical guy. He's he kind of contested catch,
• 56:21
  Speaker 7: but he can run too. It's not like he's a turtle.
• 56:23
  Speaker 7: It's not like Mohammed Sanu at the end, who was
• 56:27
  Speaker 7: a bigger, angular kind of receiver like that. I think
• 56:30
  Speaker 7: Collins moves better than that. But I just don't I
• 56:34
  Speaker 7: don't think that the fast options to me right now,
• 56:37
  Speaker 7: the speed options the Patriots have a more, as Evan said,
• 56:40
  Speaker 7: situational kind of not I don't want to call it gimmicky,
• 56:43
  Speaker 7: but like one you know, we're going to take shot place.
• 56:47
  Speaker 7: It's not a gimmick, but it's it's just not something
• 56:50
  Speaker 7: I want to run with consistently because I don't think
• 56:52
  Speaker 7: they're there consistently to earn that.
• 56:55
  Speaker 6: I just wonder where if because obviously Henry is going
• 56:57
  Speaker 6: to be on the field in these situations too. So
• 57:00
  Speaker 6: if it's Henry, and then if we you know, maybe
• 57:02
  Speaker 6: Henderson takes that next step in the passing game, but
• 57:04
  Speaker 6: it could be Remandre a lot of the time too.
• 57:07
  Speaker 6: So if you're five guys on third and eight are
• 57:10
  Speaker 6: brown Dobbs, Hollins, Henry Vermandre. Is there enough of a
• 57:15
  Speaker 6: stretch element, enough of a speed element on the field
• 57:19
  Speaker 6: to get, you know, the defense to get off the
• 57:21
  Speaker 6: line of scrimmage? And that would be the question. I
• 57:23
  Speaker 6: don't know if there would be, but I think they
• 57:26
  Speaker 6: would probably say they'd rather play the better player at
• 57:28
  Speaker 6: the end of the day. But you know, you just
• 57:30
  Speaker 6: like to have different types.
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think but I think Josh wants to
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: use four five receivers.
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: You know, I just think it's it's not going to
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: be that these are the three guys and this is
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, there's just an I know we're mini camp,
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: there's rotation anyway, but I think he wants to have
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: those options. All right, we're inside the high red zone.
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: This is a mac Collins area. You know, we're inside
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: our own place. Let's try to take a shot.
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: You want to have different packages for different matchups and
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: different scenarios, and.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: You know, you don't want to be easy to defend.
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: That's I think they're getting there, Fred, I really do
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: getting there.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: We're also getting halfway through the show, so time for break.
• 58:05
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  Speaker 13: All right, what's going on? How you doing so caring?
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  Speaker 5: How are things going for you?
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  Speaker 10: And A. J.
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  Speaker 6: Brown looks like you're starting to connect fairly easily.
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  Speaker 13: It's hard enough to get excited.
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  Speaker 17: You know, what a player he is and just you know,
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  Speaker 17: sorr off the battle, what a great teammates so far,
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  Speaker 17: he's eager to learn. He's great with the guys in
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  Speaker 17: the locker room, and we just look forward to playing
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  Speaker 17: with the guy that caliber. And I know he's been
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  Speaker 17: a great player in this league. He's gone everywhere he's gone.
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  Speaker 17: He's been you know, guy that you see him on
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  Speaker 17: Sports Center the next day, you know, making plays and scoring.
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  Speaker 13: And you know the best thing about him, he's he's
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  Speaker 13: been a winner.
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  Speaker 17: You know, he's no what's like to win, and he's
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  Speaker 17: had something in that room that you really, you know,
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  Speaker 17: kind of we were we're kind of you know, kind
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  Speaker 17: of looking for. And I think that's the best thing,
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  Speaker 17: you know, I think Steph provided for us last year.
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  Speaker 17: And there's been guys that are growing in the roles,
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  Speaker 17: but just coming in with that stature and his ability
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  Speaker 17: and his size and just the respect that you walk
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  Speaker 17: in there with that kind of stuff. Had AJ's got
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  Speaker 17: it to drink.
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  Speaker 12: Where are you this year than he have wise now
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  Speaker 12: with Josh As far as feeling comfortable.
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  Speaker 17: And with the offense and doing what you do, I
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  Speaker 17: think it's just naturally night and day from from last year.
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  Speaker 17: At this time, you know, I was trying to you know,
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  Speaker 17: get things right, trying to get guys you know know
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  Speaker 17: where I was, you know, making making calls and getting
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  Speaker 17: guys lined up. And now we're just you know, kind
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  Speaker 17: of taking the next steps. And that's the best thing
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  Speaker 17: about this time. You get to you know, work on
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  Speaker 17: those things and also work on kind of executing.
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  Speaker 13: And that's the best thing.
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  Speaker 17: Coach mcgam's is pushing me hard and he's challenging me
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  Speaker 17: and you know, trying not to get comfortable to your know,
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  Speaker 17: the a's and getting comfortable of just doing things and
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  Speaker 17: being out here and just making throws.
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  Speaker 13: You know, there's a reason and there's a there's a
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  Speaker 13: why to it.
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  Speaker 17: And the best thing about Colas mc danielsy is so
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  Speaker 17: good about explaining that why and helping me get to
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  Speaker 17: know that why.
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  Speaker 13: So I can play faster. It's a group of receivers.
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  Speaker 17: All What does it do for you as a quarterback
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  Speaker 17: to potentially look across the line and have a whole
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  Speaker 17: group of bigger targets.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, it's it's comforting, you know, no doubt.
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  Speaker 17: We've got guys up there that are you know, a
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  Speaker 17: lot stronger than me in the late room when I'm
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  Speaker 17: dumbellt benching with them. So you know, I think it's
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  Speaker 17: It's also something that has in the run game, you know,
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  Speaker 17: its it brings kind of physicality to to us to
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  Speaker 17: down here in the red zone, you know, makes it
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  Speaker 17: easier contested catches, you know, really are you know they
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  Speaker 17: always say fifty to fifty.
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  Speaker 13: We're trying to make them that way. And that's when
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  Speaker 13: you've got guys that can make plays like that.
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  Speaker 17: So you know, I grew up throwing them my brothers
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  Speaker 17: my whole life that are six seven and and tall
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  Speaker 17: and big across the middle, So I'm used to throwing
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  Speaker 17: guys at that side.
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  Speaker 13: It's awesome about you know.
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  Speaker 3: Fifty ball and all that.
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  Speaker 18: That's something A. J. Brown is known for us being
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  Speaker 18: able to get those contested catches.
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  Speaker 13: What about his game?
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  Speaker 18: Have you seen them not kind of asked that they
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 18: are you excited about having a receiver that you know,
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  Speaker 18: if you've there that ball, he's going to do everything
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  Speaker 18: you tend to make that.
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  Speaker 17: Yeah, this is really just all me to give him
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  Speaker 17: a chance to touch it, because more times than you
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  Speaker 17: he's gonna bring it in.
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  Speaker 13: So that's exciting.
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  Speaker 17: And just knowing that you know a slant or something,
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  Speaker 17: you know, quick out, you know something that you can
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  Speaker 17: just give him the ball. He can go and break
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  Speaker 17: some tackles and he's tough to tackle and guys don't
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 17: want to tackle, so you know, Romeo brings that, Mac
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  Speaker 17: brings that, you know, have some guys that are tougher
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  Speaker 17: to tackle than you think. And then when you get
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  Speaker 17: up there in your garden and you're like, man, you
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  Speaker 17: know he can catch a slant and take it the distance.
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  Speaker 17: So that's kind of more of my mindset to you know,
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  Speaker 17: be on time, you know, make good throws and let
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  Speaker 17: them run with it.
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  Speaker 18: There's a lot of focus on Mario Douglas has also
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  Speaker 18: been a favorite target of yours in these early practices.
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  Speaker 12: What are you see it from him?
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: And how is that kind of shut between you?
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  Speaker 17: So as I got here as a rookie. He always
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  Speaker 17: just does the right thing. He does the right thing,
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  Speaker 17: makes the right place, makes catches. He's hard to cover.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 17: Like I said, you can't guard him in a phone booth,
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  Speaker 17: and he's so good at breaking off a man coverage.
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  Speaker 17: He's a mismatch, you know, he's so hard to you know,
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  Speaker 17: to to stay in front of. And you know, looking
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 17: forward to kind of seeing his role kind of you know,
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  Speaker 17: grow bigger.
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  Speaker 13: Improve the most. I think that's what you're out here doing.
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  Speaker 13: You're still trying to improve.
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  Speaker 8: You know.
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  Speaker 13: It's hard for me to gauge.
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  Speaker 17: You know, I'm just kind of just you know, focused
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 17: day to day and you really not, you know, trying
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 17: to pimple area, trying to get better in all areas,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 17: and I think it's hard to pinpoint data. I think
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 17: one thing is making the right decision, you know, when
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  Speaker 17: you know in the first you know, a few seconds
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  Speaker 17: I have the ball in my hand, making the right decision.
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  Speaker 17: Knowing said sometimes incompletions are kind of the best plays
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  Speaker 17: and not trying to hold the ball too long and
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 17: kind of get out of the habit of really trying
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 17: to extend plays just because I feel like I haven't
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 17: extended to play.
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  Speaker 12: In a while earlier, but you have a wear ability
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  Speaker 12: to think ahead, to be ahead.
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  Speaker 13: A couple of plays.
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  Speaker 2: When did you develop this ability to be able to.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 12: Do that and what does it mean to you to
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 12: be able to do that.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 17: I think it's just running plays or being in a
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 17: formation and just kind of the love for you know, hey,
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  Speaker 17: next time we're in that formation and maybe we can
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  Speaker 17: do this. I think whether it's playing Madden or getting
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 17: out there at a young age with my dad and
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 17: being in the formation and throwing a hitch out and
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 17: you thought the corner jumped in middle school, so next
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 17: time you run.
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  Speaker 13: A hitch and go.
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  Speaker 17: You know a little things like that where you just
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  Speaker 17: pick up on little things and hey, maybe try this.
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  Speaker 17: And because mcdams is the best in business at it,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 17: so just trying to learn as much as he can
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  Speaker 17: from there.
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  Speaker 10: This year, like just talking about being maybe a little
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 10: bit more delivered than the last, seeking more ownership.
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  Speaker 7: I don't want to mis represent what he was saying,
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  Speaker 7: but just operating at the line that's going to help you.
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  Speaker 13: Tried to do that, Nicole was wondering too.
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  Speaker 5: Just spit it out.
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  Speaker 19: Passion and Josh, we're just talking about how they challenged
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 19: you at the line and you've gone up to the
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  Speaker 19: line that maybe no play call, and then it's on
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 19: you just sort of diagnose what's happening, how's that process
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 19: been going, and how do you feel like the feedback.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 17: It's kind of trying to be a play caller, you know,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 17: it's tough and this environment when they got eighteen seconds
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 17: on the clock and practice and I'm trying to you know,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 17: do a do a hard count and try and get
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 17: us in a in a play that we like. So,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 17: you know, I think it's awesome for to challenge me
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 17: and to you know, push my limits of knowing the
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 17: offense normal play looks good against what the defense is up.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 17: And you know, the best thing that we kind of
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 17: been trying to focus on is kind of limited negative plays.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 17: You know, negative plays in this league put you behind
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 17: the chains, but it was in the red zone, you know,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 17: and base downs and just trying to stay ahead of
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 17: chains and knowing that it's really on me to put
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 17: us in good plays, get us out of bad plays,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 17: and keep the chains, you know, stay ahead of the chains.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 6: Talk a little bit about.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 18: What this last activity was that you guys were doing
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 18: on the field of those slides look like thing like
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 18: kind of talk.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 17: Through we split up in the teams, you know, split
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 17: up in the families. At the beginning of the off season,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 17: kind of had about you know, thirteen teams. You know,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 17: have some captains in these team and some some different
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 17: guys and has about seven players in each. So we've
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 17: kind of been keeping a point tally, you know, kind
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 17: of how we've been doing with the families. You know,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 17: I think my family is maybe in the second so
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 17: we've got some more to do to get that you know,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 17: kind of final first first place push. But yeah, the
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 17: lowest time to come out here and push the sleds
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 17: and try to compete against each other and just another
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 17: way of team building and you know, competing and having
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 17: to strategize and you know kind of have something that
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 17: may not go right and try to fix it. Say
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 17: that one time, Yeah, we asked that, We asked that
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 17: leadership group coach. I think Vrabel's kind of coming up
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 17: with something, so hopefully something pretty good.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 13: Your career going up against the guy like time, what
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 13: had been to you over the course of the last
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 13: year plus, gowing up against the guy like man CD
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 13: has been awesome. He's awesome.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 17: In the locker room we got out there before practice,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 17: he's saying, hey, through throw what at me and and
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 17: come challenge me today. So you know he wants work
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 17: and he's proven in this league as a guy to
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 17: make plays in the football. You know, he's one of
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 17: the best at you know, being physical, being honest, man
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 17: and man coverage, and you know he's a winner. You know,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 17: he's won it and he knows what it's like to
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 17: win and obviously done a lot of things right in
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 17: his career. So it's awesome for have you know him
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 17: and Gonzo and you know, even some more corners and
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 17: DB's you know that backing group that they got over there.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 17: It was a real tough challenge for us and you
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 17: know us receivers. So it's it's been awesome. And CD's
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 17: just he's always in a great mood and he's he's
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 17: fun to be here with.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 13: So he always is.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: And now great moments in.
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  Speaker 2: History.
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  Speaker 5: I have an excellent mattress.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of mattress you don't know.
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  Speaker 5: You don't know this a regular war or a memory phone.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know what it is that you don't know, No, Beth, Bet,
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  Speaker 7: that's everything important in my house sleeping on.
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  Speaker 2: Well, how did she know it was a good mattress?
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  Speaker 16: For you?
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 5: It was a great mattress.
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  Speaker 2: How did she know that?
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: Because I was on it before we bowed, so you'd know.
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  Speaker 10: So what was?
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 5: What kind it was? I don't really to test.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: Why are you being like Eric and not giving me information?
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: This is what Eric would do. It's a mattress. I don't.
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  Speaker 5: First of all, that's exactly the opposite of what Eric
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  Speaker 5: would do.
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  Speaker 7: Eric would tell you the name of the mattress and
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  Speaker 7: it would absolutely be the most expensive that.
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  Speaker 5: You've ever heard.
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  Speaker 7: that I spent way more money on a mattress than
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  Speaker 7: should be humanly.
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  Speaker 5: Possible with that, because it's embarrassing.
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  Speaker 3: Mattress stuff that you do, Alex Marises are important, are
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  Speaker 3: they not?
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  Speaker 2: They are?
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  Speaker 9: But I'm saying that as someone whose mattress came from
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  Speaker 9: a box at Costco and I just pulled it out,
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  Speaker 9: and well, you're.
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  Speaker 3: Right, I mean I think, no, I think if you
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  Speaker 3: don't weigh a lot at it, I think the mattress,
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  Speaker 3: the mattress doesn't matter that much. It's only when you're heavy,
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  Speaker 3: you know. Is it a temperped it it's a temp
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  Speaker 3: repeedi because hey, hey, sweete, what kind of bed is
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  Speaker 3: it that we have, Paul, It's a temp repeedic right?
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  Speaker 5: Probably?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, jos is on. That's another great moment.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: Back here in Patriots Unfiltered eight five to five Pass
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  Speaker 3: five hundred is the hotline podcast at Patriots dot com
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  Speaker 3: is the email address. We're talking a little bit World
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: Cup during the break, and the US has chances. Of course,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: we always have an expert no matter what the topic is.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: In this case it's the same as always.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: Barton Poland.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: He was talking about the US's chances and this one
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: he says, I agree that advancing from their group should
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: be the expectation for the US. That said, I wouldn't
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: consider a group stage exit some huge shock being the host.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: Uh you know, you get the the automatic bid. It
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: helped them avoid the strongest teams. But I actually think
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: This is one of the more balanced groups in the tournament,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: the one that the US is in. In my opinion,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: Turkey is the group favorite. Paraguay, who they're going to
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: play tomorrow, is also very underrated. They conceded the fewest
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: goals in South American qualifying finish level on points with
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: Brazil and beat Argentina. Australia is probably the weakest team
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: in the group, but even there the US could have
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: drawn a much easier opponent. The US should advance, but
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: I don't think this group is nearly as straightforward as
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: some people are making it out. To be a third
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: place finish and counting points eight out of twelve third
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: place teams advance is very possible.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: So there's some expert opinion from Barton poland the.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 6: Betting odds would agree with him. The betting odds are
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 6: very flat in terms of all four teams actually having
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 6: at least a chance to get out of the group.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 6: My point wasn't that it would be surprising the US
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 6: soccer team failing miserably on home turf would be the
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 6: least surprising thing that ever happened. My point was is
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 6: how disappointed I would be if that happened. Yeah, I
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 6: think that that would be It would be so good.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: If they made a run just to make it interesting Domestically.
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  Speaker 6: It would be a major failure for them to knock
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 6: get out of the group.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's it, all right, that's our World Cup today.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: Back to my roster breakdown there, we already got that.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: Let's go to the phones. Eldred's in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred?
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 9: Hey, so I would blow the blow the horn, but
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 9: I'm in the in the dock.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, don't do that. People get pissed.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 9: That's I think you're wrong about AJ. I think either
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 9: the place where you want to be, even though it's speculations,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 9: but I don't think he blow up this year or
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 9: next year.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 5: I didn't say he was going to blow up.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 13: No, you said, you know I have no idea.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 9: Well I don't. I don't think. I almost feel like
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 9: I said when we had mouse, Well back then, I
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 9: said most I said super Bowl.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just saying I don't do it. I did
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 5: not say that A. J. Brown is gonna blow up.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 5: I just want to repeat that thing.
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  Speaker 7: You don't know, I have no I have no idea
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 7: how to predict something that hasn't happened, that's all.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 9: Okay, But that's all I want to say too. But
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 9: I think, well, I being out of camp, I knew
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 9: it was just a passing camp. I can't wait to
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 9: see the paths and see how y'all report then and
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 9: see how we go from there. That's all I gotta say.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 9: And y'all have a good one, all right, thanks?
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: Aldred.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's when you'll see the physicality of Brown,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: like just trying to defend him. I mean, you can
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 5: see he's just wait for games. Handful of he's practices.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 5: That's when practices will be because.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: Even when they have pad, it's not full right, you know,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: to the ground, you know.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: Sauce Gardner, I mean, I mean a J. Brown going
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: against the Eagles. I mean, that's that's awesome. Just must see,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: must see TV studying Thudding and that wouldn't be surprised, isn't.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: Didn't Gardener get hurt?
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 6: Johnson?
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's to recover, Sauce Gardner.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 6: Sauce Gardner, Well, he's coming off an injury.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 5: So I wouldn't be surprised. Don't see him.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 6: I think he's okay.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 5: So he didn't tear his a co A c L.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 5: No thought he did.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 7: No, he had like no, you would have heard about
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 7: that last year. Last No, I believe that I thought
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 7: he's I thought he ended the year on I R
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 7: and was out calf and he's been participating in O
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 7: T A. I believe he set out the last four games,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 7: five games with a strange I.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 6: Think I thought he had a significant injury, half injury
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 6: that leads to the Achilles, like pemptive capin injury.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 7: Maybe that's maybe that's why I thought he had a
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 7: big injury. But I mean Daniel Jones Rupture's Achilles. He's
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 7: taking part in O T S two, remarkably without the
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 7: the accompanying documentary series.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 20: Okay, shot five the shots fired at the soccer at
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 20: the Celtics for just today.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 5: He might not see those, U, Alex Pierce, What what
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 5: market could you hurt?
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 5: An ankle injury? Injury?
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 11: What?
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 5: What serious?
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I have a very No, he has a serious injury.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 6: Nice off season surgery for it and they're.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 5: Still rehaving from off season surgery. Oh like an old injury?
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 5: Oh okay, never mind.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: Well, what sports market could you live in that you
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: would actually like? The home teams oh Boston, But you don't,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: I do you hate them all.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 7: I get frustrated with my teams because I'm a good fan.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 7: I don't just blindly, you know, let them like the
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 7: Red Sox right now are not doing everything that they
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 7: can to put a winning product on the field. That
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 7: frustrates me as a fan. I could go live in
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 7: Polukaville and just say yay.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: But everything was good. But even in years that they
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: were good.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 7: Two thousand and four was one of the greatest sports
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 7: moments in my life, coming back from three to zero down.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that's back when you still had some innocence.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 20: Ron, I don't know we were talking about Everyone asked, man,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 20: we are talking about this or out at practice.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 6: Unfortunately, the game went the way it went because we
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 6: had Paul at the super Bowl. Paul was in at
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 6: the super Bowl, like we a great story. That was
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 6: easily the happiest I've seen Paul in the four years
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 6: that we've worked together, and he was he We had
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 6: him pregame, he was ready to go.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 5: Do we ever tell that we all we got all
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 5: we need sweatshirts story here on.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 16: That?
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, in fairness to me, I would wrote,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 7: I don't know, but I would. I think Evan's nailing it. Like,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 7: first of all, last year was a great story, Like
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 7: I'm sorry, Like just go four and thirteen back to
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 7: back years and all of a sudden you're in the
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 7: super Bowl.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 5: That's a terrific story. It's hard to not get caught
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 5: up and something like that. But I would separate.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 7: I know you're being snarky and making fun of me,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 7: which is fine because that's what we do. I would
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 7: separate the Patriots, like there's probably no Boston sports team
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 7: that is more like just like visceral rooting for than
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 7: the Patriots out of the full Boston sports and men,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 7: I was a season ticket holder's the only local team
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 7: I've ever been a season ticket holder of is the Patriots,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 7: So that's it. But when you work for a team,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 7: it does become a little different. In Fred's right, like
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 7: I don't have the same sort of on a bashed
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 7: joy that I wanted it like in two thousand one
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 7: will never happen again for me, Like just that reaction
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 7: that we had when Adam kicked a field goal against Oakland,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 7: When me, Brian and Fred are like kind of celebrating
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 7: in the end zone like that will probably never happen again,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 7: because it's just a little different when you work for
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 7: the teams. But the other three, I get frustrated, you know,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 7: with the Red Sox for sure, because of ownership. Evan
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 7: says the same thing in his situation about the Celtics
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 7: because Billy Banners did the same thing. Prove it is
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 7: he not doing everything he can to put a winning team,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 7: So that's frustrating. The Bruins are the one team that
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 7: still gets me every year. They're certainly rebuilding. It's not
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 7: a great team, but I love hockey and I still
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 7: get swept up in the playoffs and very now that
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 7: very yeah, but I mean it's it's not the same
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 7: when you're fifty eight as it is when you're eighteen.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 6: Sure, it's not even the same for me anymore, like
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 6: maybe with the Celtics.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: But with the other teams, it's not Mike my teams,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: Mike writes in A lot has been made about the
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: Patriots schedule last year and it being harder this upcoming season.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: This is partly due to them having a last play
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: schedule last year and moving to a first place schedule
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: this year. Yes, we know that.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: This got me wondering how often teams have gone worse
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: to first in their division and how they've done the
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: following season. Since six there have been seventeen teams who
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: went from worse to first in their division. Here's some
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: stats on how those seventeen teams fared the following season.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: Only two improved their record the following year, twenty the
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: twenty twelve Broncos in the twenty twenty two Bengals. Eleven
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: of seventeen teams had winning records. Six teams won ten
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: plus games. On average, teams won two less games than
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: their prior season. Twenty four percent won their division again,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: seventeen percent finished in last. Of the four teams who
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: won twelve plus games, they averaged three less wins the
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: next year. The most comparable team in terms of strength
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: of schedule to w our Patriots last year was the
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: eleven Chiefs, who went ten and six. The following year,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: they finished seven to nine and last in their division again.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 7: So do you have any stats about the worst schedules
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 7: or you're just talking about last place teams the following year?
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: Teams that went worse the first how do they do then?
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 5: So you're not telling me about the schedule is what
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 5: you're talent, is my point.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 7: The Patriots schedule last year wasn't weak because it was
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 7: a last place schedule. Those are only three games. It
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 7: was weak because of the two divisions they also had
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 7: to play in addition to the last place teams from
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 7: the other three divisions yep, which is why it was
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 7: statistically the weakest schedule in the history of the sixteen game,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 7: Like the sixteen game is expanded schedule in nineteen seventy eight,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 7: going back at least that far. So not every last
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 7: play schedule is created equal, Like right now, the Patriots
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 7: have the first place schedule. Buffalo's three other games are
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 7: actually harder than the Patriots on paper, Like you don't
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 7: know how those are going to play out, But Buffalo
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 7: plays Baltimore. The Patriots played Pittsburgh. Baltimore is the hotter team,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 7: like they're the more talented team. But that's why I'm saying, like,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 7: not all last place schedules are created equal.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think the obviously the most
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 6: important thing when you're building the schedule is your own
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 6: division and and how good the teams are in your
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 6: own division. But then also the the division. Rotation of
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 6: the NFC division I think is way more important than
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 6: the last.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 7: That's why Buffalo had an easy schedule last year. Yeah,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 7: just like the Patriots, right right.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 6: So now that with the Patriots playing the North, the
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 6: NFC North, that that's a tough division. You know, it's
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 6: all good teams pretty.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: Much Gary from Harvard, the town, not the university.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 5: Clarification.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: Paul showed one of his little appreciated talents a few
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: shows ago with a thorough analysis of the targets various
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: reivers had last year. In the implications I wasn't able
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: to watch in real time, I want to point out
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: that the total number of targets per game will be
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: greater as Drake and Josh use a shorter, quicker pass
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: plays when battling better teams. If every scoring possession takes
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: sixteen plays instead of eight, that's twice the targets per score.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 7: So I agree with your premise, not the way you
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 7: got there. I think they will throw more passes because
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 7: I don't think they're going to have, you know, three
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 7: score leads every game in the second half, and they
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 7: won't be able to throw the ball twenty two times
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 7: every game like they did. Last year, not because like
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 7: you have to throw sixteen play scoring drives together instead
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 7: of eight play scoring drives. I think they'll have to
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 7: throw the ball more often this year because they won't
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 7: always be ahead in the second half of every game, right,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 7: Like it just stands to reason.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 5: You know, you played every game last year on your.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: Turn, and it was like hard like half the games,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: half their wins, were games in which he threw the
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: ball like low twe.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 5: Twenty five or fewer times, like an insane amount of time.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: Go back to one of the callers we had earlier
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: in the show, said, like you know that, I said, oh,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: he could be better this year, make strides. I mean,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 4: this is what we're talking about. Like it was very
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: favorable for him last year. It's going to be harder
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 4: this year. It doesn't mean that I don't think that
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: he can still perform at you know, at a high level,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: but it's it's gonna be tough.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 7: But I agree with him his premise, And this is
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 7: why I wouldn't necessarily I'm not attacking the email because
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 7: I agree one hundred percent with the pre There will
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 7: be more targets this year because I think they'll attempt
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 7: more passes than they did last year.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Matt in Wichita, I mean emailed in after the
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: Saints game in awe at how fast Drake may improve
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: his ability to step up and move around in the pocket. Unfortunately,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: from a casual viewer's perspective, it seemed that Drake fell
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: back into his bad habits during the tougher games. Some
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: games you could tell in the first quarter that he
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: was not going to have a good feel for the rush.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: Why did it seem like some games Drake had eyes
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: in the back of his head, and then during the
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: tougher games he was loose with the.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: Ball and didn't see the rushers.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: Is that purely on Drake improving on ball security and
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: timing or will having better wide receivers help him be
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: in a better rhythm. I know he was MVP runner up,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: so I may be overplaying this a bit, but the
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: bad games were very bad.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: Last year for Drake.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: I would love to see Drake cut down on the
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: fumbles during his bad games next year.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 6: I mean playing better pass rushers. Like it's one thing
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 6: to move around the pocket and get away from guys
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 6: on the Jets and the Titans, It's another thing to
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 6: get away from Will Anderson and Daniel Hunter in the
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 6: playoffs to that point, what.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 7: Was one of the games that he didn't look like
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 7: he scrambled around very well in against a bad team
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 7: Cleveland who sacked him five times. Because there's different no,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 7: I mean, Miles Garrett, it's a difference between just running
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 7: away from guys that you're better than. As Evan said earlier,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 7: sometimes you're just better than the opponent. Yeah, sometimes you're not.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: So I think, you know, I think wide receivers will help,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: and I think better defensive line.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: Will improvement, and Will Campbell and Jared Wilson, which Mike
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: Verbele highlighted today. But I just, you know, it just
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 4: needs to be the sense of calm and you know,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: a sense of experience and know that maturity of the position.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: I think some of the times last year when he
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 4: got caught up, it's because I think he gets out
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: over his skis a little bit, you know, and he's
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: there going fast and he you know, doesn't have the
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 4: experience to slow down hit the reset button. That's something
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: I would have loved to see him be able to
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 4: do in the Super Bowl. You know, we just we
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 4: saw it so many times with Brady, and I hate
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 4: comparing Brady, but you know, no matter how the game
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 4: was going, you knew at some point he was going
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: to start to probably play with right, you know, and
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: that I'd love to feel that way about Drake because
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 4: right now we've said it a couple of times when
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 4: he's off. You can kind of tell he's off, when
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 4: he's feeling it. You can see it right away. Remember
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: one of the before one of the the might have
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: been before the Texans. It's either Chargers of the Texans
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: playoff game. Remember one of their defenders thing like he's
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: almost too comfortable in the pocket, And like I understood
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 4: what he was saying, because there were times last year
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 4: when Drake was like guys all around and I'm like, man,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: he's just staying locked in.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 5: It was great. Got to get him there and help
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 5: him stay there, you know, more consistently.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I just keep coming. Like I feel
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 6: like people are searching for like some mechanical thing or
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 6: some like football nuanced thing, and I just think it's experience.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 6: Like I think we have to remind ourselves that that
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 6: was his first playoff run. Those were his first playoff games,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 6: you know, against really good defenses. You know, not to
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 6: make it about basketball, but you know, watching the NBA Finals,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 6: and I feel the same thing about watching the Spurs,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 6: Like the Spurs look like a better team than the
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 6: Knicks a lot of the time. But for Wenby and
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 6: all those guys, it's the first time and sometimes you
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 6: gotta like taste your own blood first before you you know,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 6: really start to learn and you know, grow from those experiences.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 6: It's it's the Brady's and the mahomes Is that come
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 6: in and are automatically in the winning Super Bowls. It's
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 6: it's not usually the way that these things go in sports.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 6: So with a lot of these things, I think he
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 6: just needs to play more like it. Just it's not
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 6: going to be something like, you know, fancy that he
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 6: does to fix it or something like that. He just
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 6: needs to experience that speed more often, like playoff speed,
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 6: especially against good defenses. There's a different speed to it
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 6: than the regular season.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: No doubt. Darius and Louisville wondering what did you get.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: I think about the snap count last year and he's
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: talking about like the actual cadence. I thought it was
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: a little predictable at times. I don't grind the tape
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: or nothing, but like that, but maybe one thing that
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: could help Drake is changing cadences or going on too
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: just my thought.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: Did you notice quite a bit?
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Did you notice any predictability about it?
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 6: No, not any like you know Denver twenty fifteen when
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 6: they you know, stork headbobs. Yeah, so they've actually experimented
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 6: with a couple of different silent counts. I'm sure Josh
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 6: McDaniels has learned his lesson with the head bobs. So
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 6: they have a couple of different ways, you know, to
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 6: get the offense in motion and the cadence, and then
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 6: they have a couple of different versions of the silent count.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 6: So I won't give them away, but you know, they
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  Speaker 6: do a bunch of different things with snap counts and
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 6: things like that. But I think you know, in a
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  Speaker 6: lot of those situations that he's probably talking about, when
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 6: you get into obvious passing situations with any good defense
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 6: on the other side, those guys are pinning their ears
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 6: back and they're getting off the ball. So if you're
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 6: in third and eight thirty nine against the defense like Seattle,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 6: it's you know, that's tough. That's a tough way to live.
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  Speaker 3: Well, in d C writes in we talked a lot
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: about Drake improving his pre snap reads for passing game
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: adjustments in year two. I wonder how that might also
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: help the run game, where he checks to a run
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: when there's an opportunity. Do you think Drake's experience in
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: the system can help.
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  Speaker 2: The running backs?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think. I mean, I think, well, we
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 5: talked at the.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: Top of the show about giving letting him go to
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: the line without a play.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think. I think one of the plays he
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 5: ran was a run play. So yeah, it's all you know,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 5: it's all that maturity, and that's why I love that drill.
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  Speaker 4: It speaks to what you know, Evan's talking about, of
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 4: giving him experience, putting you know, putting his brain to
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  Speaker 4: the test. The kid has all the physical talent in
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 4: the world. His arm is great, his legs are great,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: he's got good size. But it's just going to be
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 4: the mental part of the game that's going to continue
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 4: to evolve. And as they face new challenges and new
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: defenses and you keep adding to that bucket, it should
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: continue to go up.
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  Speaker 6: You don't normally change run plays too much, like you're
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 6: not gonna kill kill you're not gonna have like, no,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 6: you're not going to have like oh, we're gonna run,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 6: We're gonna run outside zone and now I see this.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 6: Now we're gonna just we're gonna go ahead and we're
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 6: gonna run power like you know, we're gonna run gap
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 6: Like that's more normally to Fred's kill kill kill over there,
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  Speaker 6: you have a can system where you have a run
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 6: play in a pass play based off the safety shell.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 6: Then you make an indication of which way you want
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 6: to go if you want to throw the ball, you
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 6: want to run it. Uh, you know, in terms of
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 6: like audibleing out of like we're gonna go from a
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 6: completely one scheme to a completely new run scheme. I
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 6: don't think a lot of teams do a whole lot
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 6: of that.
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  Speaker 3: So like, you know, it's weird though, because we just
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: you know, not to make light of it, but like
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: when a quarterback does say kill kill kill, Okay, now
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: is that indicating to the defense Okay, now we can
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: off of that.
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  Speaker 6: Well that's why, well that's why they have dummy versions. Yeah,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 6: so that they don't you know, get caught like that.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 6: You know, some teams call it kill. Some teams you
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 6: can you know, whatever the case may be. But a
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 6: lot of teams do that. They call two plays in
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 6: the huddle. Usually it's pass run, but sometimes it could
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 6: be pass pass or run run, depending on the situation.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 6: And then the quarterback comes to the line of scrimmage,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 6: he looks at the defense and decides to put the
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 6: team in the best play that they could run into
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 6: that defense. So there's a lot of that that does
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 6: go on, and a lot of teams do it. One
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 6: team that does a lot of it is the Jaguars,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 6: and it was actually a big problem for them. They
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 6: had more delay game penalties than like anybody in the league,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 6: as Trevor Lawrence couldn't get them into the right play
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 6: quick enough. So, like some it has its pros and cons.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 6: Is my point is that you know, you really do
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 6: tend to run the play clock down pretty close to
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 6: zero when you're getting into that whole minutia of having
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 6: different play calls.
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  Speaker 2: Jake and Melbourne, Australia.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: He says, I appreciate it's some mini camp review focus show,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: but could we get a sixty second summary of Evans's
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: thoughts of the Knicks come back last night?
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's appropriate before.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 6: Sixty seconds is unnecessary thirty funny story. So they were up.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 6: The Spurs were up seventeen with eight minutes to go.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 6: So I called it a night. I was like, all right,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 6: like they if once they didn't make a run to
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 6: start the fourth quarter, I was like, all right, I
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 6: think that the Spurs will have this. I woke up
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 6: at around like twelve twelve thirty for some reason, I
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 6: don't know, and I looked at my phone and my
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 6: whole my like I'm blowing up with notifications from either
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 6: people or Twitter or whatever. And I didn't even look
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 6: at the score. And I knew the Knicks came back
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 6: because that's the reaction that was going on. And I
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 6: was just like, you have got to be kidding me.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 6: But the one text message that I got with my
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 6: name in all capital letters was from one Bradley and
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 6: he just was rubbing the mistakes all day long, and
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 6: I just I went up him today. I shook his
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 6: hand and I said congratulations, and that was it.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: I lasted through the third quarter and it was fifteen.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: At that point, I knew they were going to come back.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: I just knew it.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: I just knew it, Like the way the Spurs just
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: tightened up as they choke. They choked.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 6: Usually when those comebacks happened though, the first couple of
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 6: minutes of the fourth quarter, they start to make the.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: Run, right, and then they got it back up right
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: twenty right, and.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 6: So they get it down from like twenty to ten,
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 6: and then they'll go and then the last five minutes
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 6: will be just be a war, right to get it
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 6: from ten to a lead. So when the Spurs held
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 6: the lead for the first three or four minutes of
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 6: the fourth quarter, I was like, all right, I feel
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 6: pretty confident in this, and then of course what happened happened.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 4: The best thing to me is they got a twenty
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 4: eight to three scoreboard from Adam Schefter putting out both
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 4: the twenty to three.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: This choke, Yeah, I think I don't know about that, Fred.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: That was a Super Bowl that was a winner goes home,
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: loser goes home.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 7: Okay, so this is the end finals, next game, you
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 7: go home, I know, but still it's not the same
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 7: as frett I would just say that the Falcons they
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 7: absolutely choked. I'm not saying that, but like mentally they
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 7: did some dumb like you get that. Pastor Julio Jones.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 7: Just run the ball three times, kick a field goal,
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 7: but they didn't, and they got sacked, They got pushed
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 7: out a field goal range.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 5: The equivalent of what the Spurs did would have.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 7: Been at the Falcons missed like a twenty five yard
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 7: field goal that would have iced the game. Wemby going
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 7: to the line and missing two free throws in the
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 7: last minute of the game is unlike anything the Falcons
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 7: did that night. I darn Fox, like missing.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: Allowing that layer.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think you should have absolutely just gone right
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 7: to the basket and taken the layup. You cannot let
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 7: that get blocked. That's an unbelievable choke. I mean, in fairness,
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 7: it wasn't as big as this Josh Hart choke on
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 7: the previous possession that he missed that layup that would
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 7: have given the Knicks the lead originally.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 5: But I just thought.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 7: It's very similar. The stakes are very similar. I'm sorry,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 7: Like it's a championship series. It's you put you down
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 7: three to one. Now you've got to pull a miracle.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 5: Off to come back.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 7: I can't believe how bad the Spurs choked, how they
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 7: couldn't even like execute simple inbound passes like the just
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 7: passing it around. They're like kicking it around and the
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 7: balls at guy's feet. Even the last play they had
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 7: one point seven seconds left or whatever it was on
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 7: the clock.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 5: Then they couldn't even really get the ball in bounds,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 5: like to get a shot off actually done.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 6: Well, it's one, but they they had to play. They
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 6: had an ally up to Castle and Cat tip the
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 6: pass that the pass didn't make it to him.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: But I think.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 6: Like getting me pass tipped, I guess, but like Cat's
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 6: seven feet tall.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 7: I will say if they don't come back, and I
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 7: don't eliminate the possibility. I mean they've had like a
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 7: fifteen point lead in every game, right, Like they're clearly
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 7: a better team. They're just as Evans said, they're not right.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: I think Silver wants them to win this one so
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: the next can win it. Yeah, oh yeah, pretty cool.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 6: I just I keep like, obviously I think a lot
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 6: about the twenty twenty two Celtics when I've watched the Spurs,
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 6: But I also think a lot about the Patriots when
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 6: I watched the Spurs, where it's like, you know, you
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 6: have this young talent on your team that you have
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 6: a window, Like the Spurs are going to be a
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 6: very good basketball team for a long time. The Knicks
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 6: have a much much shorter runway here, but there, the
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 6: Spurs just aren't ready. They aren't ready for this kind
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 6: of for the finals and for this limelight and for
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 6: this attention and for this pressure. And so a lot
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 6: of times in sports, especially basketball, you have to lose
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 6: before you win. I mean, Michael Jordan didn't went until
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 6: seven eight years into the league. Same with Lebron, So
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 6: like you have to do that. And you know, for
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 6: the Patriots and Drake May, you just hope that last
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 6: year was the twenty twenty two Celtics and then maybe
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 6: it's not right away, but two years later this Celtics
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 6: won a championship.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 7: You know, I do think if the Spurs do not
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 7: come back losing like that, yeah, could cause some significant
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 7: damage moving forward. Like what's not just like all the
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 7: young they'll be like that kind of loss can stick?
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 5: Did Atlanta? What did Atlanta do after nothing?
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 13: Yeah?
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: That was it?
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 11: Right?
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the twenty twenty two Celtics didn't have a twenty
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 6: nine point lead that they choked away, but they choked
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 6: away a couple of those games against Golden State in
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 6: that finals in one game and you know, they had
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 6: a lead in the fourth quarter. They had to lead
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 6: in the fourth quarter of Game four to go up
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 6: three to one, and they lost it. But every other
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 6: game the Warriors had a double digit lead in in
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 6: that series, so they they they had similar you know,
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 6: growing paints and you're just young teams. That's what happens.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 6: And I think a lot of people just expect it,
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 6: you know, happen right away like it did for Brady,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 6: or it just doesn't work that way most of the time.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 5: All Right, that's your nixt minute, Matt Morrell.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: We're going to end the show, special edition of Patriots
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: Unfiltered post mini camp.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: I hope everyone has a good weekend. We'll be back
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: next week.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: And now before we go, yeah, we got some business
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: to do for next week's schedule, Matt Morel. Do you
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: have it in front of you, because I know I
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: will screw it up if I attend.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 5: I can't hear you if I'm not mistaken. We Wednesday
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 5: and Thursday? Correct?
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: Yes, So Tuesday is Scotland Haiti. No, No, Scotland Haiti
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: is Saturday. There's a game on Tuesday. I don't know
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 3: who it is. World Cup match so we're not going
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: to do a show. I'm not going we're not going
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: to attempt to do a show on that day because
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: this is all FIFA run next Tuesday.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: But we're gonna have a show on Wednesday and Thursday next.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 7: Week at our normal times, correct, Yes, and then catch
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 7: on Wednesday. Yes, So what's that two to four on
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 7: Wednesday for Catch right after?
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: Okay, so Patrison filtered on Wednesday at twelve, Catch twenty
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: two at two on Wednesday, and then Patriots unfiltered at
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: noon on Thursday. So we'll be on Wednesday and Thursday
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: at our normal time at noon next week.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 6: I believe that to the cadences for the next couple
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 6: of weeks after that, unless I have something because of
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 6: World Cup. Yeah, so I think we're like that for
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 6: like the next three weeks, maybe.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: Something like that.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, all right, all right, so just for your
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 3: so you can plan for next week. All right, have
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: a good weekend. We'll talk to you on Wednesday.
• 1:36:23
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