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Who Shouldn't Own A Gun? · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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Speaker 1: If I passed the hour, it's third hour, turning the page.
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Speaker 1: It's the Morning Show with Preston Scott Wednesday, March the
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Speaker 1: fifth Show, fifty three, twenty nine. That is Jose. I'm
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Speaker 1: Preston and this is JD. Johnson of the Talent Training
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Speaker 1: Group and the co host of Talent Outdoors, which you
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Speaker 1: can hear on the weekends on these fine radio stations. Hello, friend,
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Speaker 1: how are you.
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Speaker 2: I'm great?
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Speaker 1: How about you? I'm doing well. I want to get
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Speaker 1: right to this because I got a list, all right,
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Speaker 1: But before we get to the list and I explain
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Speaker 1: all of that, you know, we talk about personal defense,
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Speaker 1: and we talk about the need that sadly exists in
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Speaker 1: our culture today to live in a state of awareness
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Speaker 1: and to be thinking about things as you're going about
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Speaker 1: your day of what could possibly happen, of situational awareness
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Speaker 1: and all that. Who shouldn't own a firearm besides the obvious,
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Speaker 1: which is the bad guys? Well, for what purpose? I
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Speaker 1: guess for self defense? Correct?
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Speaker 2: Somebody that's at peace with the fact that they may
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Speaker 2: have to take someone's life. If you're not, if you're
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Speaker 2: not at peace with that possibility, then you probably don't
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Speaker 2: need a firearm that you that you have for the
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Speaker 2: purpose of self defense.
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Speaker 1: How many times over the years, because I know that
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Speaker 1: now you're not as involved in maybe the teaching of
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Speaker 1: the classes out there at Talent and so forth, but
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Speaker 1: in the course of your life as an instructor just
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Speaker 1: dealing with people that when you were an officer or
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Speaker 1: a deputy that you know, you might say, hey, you
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Speaker 1: really might think about getting something to protect yourself, and
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Speaker 1: they say something to you like, oh, I'm not. What
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Speaker 1: are the signs that you see in people that tell
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Speaker 1: you now you really shouldn't be carrying.
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Speaker 2: It's kind of hard to define that. You just kind
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Speaker 2: of know. I mean, it's one of those things where
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Speaker 2: a lot of times people will actually verbalize it, I
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Speaker 2: don't think I could hurt anybody, or I don't think
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Speaker 2: I could, And you get deeper into that discussion with them,
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Speaker 2: and I use my mom for example. She's a kind,
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Speaker 2: kind hearted, gentle soul. Sure, if they're ever one that
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Speaker 2: was one that walked on the earth, that's her. She
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Speaker 2: was a nurse by profession. You know, she's just a
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Speaker 2: characterivere and all of those things and personifize that. And
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Speaker 2: I don't know that my mom could necessarily defend herself
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Speaker 2: in a situation, but I guarantee if she could defend
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Speaker 2: her grandchildren, you know, and and we've had that discussion
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Speaker 2: in a long time before, you know, and she's she's
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Speaker 2: she's she's at peace with it. As long as she's
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Speaker 2: protecting somebody else. I'm not sure she could. She would
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Speaker 2: try to talk somebody out of hurting her, but I
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Speaker 2: think the standing in the shoes of another are protecting another,
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Speaker 2: I think her instincts would kick in, and you know,
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Speaker 2: she'd be okay in that situation.
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Speaker 1: So have you ever had someone show up at the
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Speaker 1: range and maybe it's a spouse saying, you know, we
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Speaker 1: need to get her, we need to get him that
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Speaker 1: oua out of That happens regular and you start talking
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Speaker 1: to the person that's the focus and you realize they're
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Speaker 1: not comfortable.
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Speaker 2: It happens a lot. It happens a lot, and you
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Speaker 2: just have to kind of take them up. Sometimes you'll
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Speaker 2: have to take them off to the side and just say,
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Speaker 2: you know what, what what's going on here?
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Speaker 1: And and do you really want to do this?
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Speaker 2: And it's something you have to want to do and
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Speaker 2: it's something that you have to be at peace with
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Speaker 2: and internally, and you've had that discussion with yourself, you know,
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Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with it. Most most people don't.
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Speaker 1: When you say don't have a problem with it, I.
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Speaker 2: Don't have a problem with hurting somebody if it's necessary.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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Speaker 2: I think there is such a thing. I strongly believe
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Speaker 2: in righteous violence, and I think that I don't think
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Speaker 2: there's anything, you know, biblically wrong with with that violence.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, there's there's a lot of scripture
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Speaker 2: on both sides of it, but I don't don't have
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Speaker 2: a religious belief that that would say that it's, you know,
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Speaker 2: absolutely never okay to take a life or to to
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Speaker 2: do violence with somebody. I think I think we have that.
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Speaker 2: I think we have that grant from God that says,
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Speaker 2: you know, that we can we can defend ourselves.
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Speaker 1: So I wanted to bring this up because there are
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Speaker 1: some of you that, as we hear these discussions, you
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Speaker 1: might be saying to yourself, that's just that's just not me.
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Speaker 1: Well that's okay if it's not you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not we don't judge.
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tude you for that. It's quite all right.
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Speaker 1: I also, though, want to leave room for the fact
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Speaker 1: that maybe, like we've talked about, you got introduced to
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Speaker 1: firearms the wrong way and maybe you just need to
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Speaker 1: be introduced the right way to them.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And there's people that may not be willing to
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Speaker 2: defend themselves with a gun, but that may I enjoy
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Speaker 2: the sport.
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Speaker 1: Levin passed the hour J. D. Johnson with me our
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Speaker 1: personal defense segment. There's another, at least another group of
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Speaker 1: people that should not have a gun.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the more importantly than the than the first. The
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Speaker 2: latter would be somebody that wants to hurt somebody that
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Speaker 2: wants to go out into public, that carries a gun
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Speaker 2: every day with the desire to get in the conflict
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Speaker 2: and be able to hurt somebody. And those people exist.
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Speaker 1: Is it too broad to say the people that can't
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Speaker 1: control their temper.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, No, that's not too broad.
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Speaker 1: I mean they're not a psychopath, but they they tend
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Speaker 1: to react to things in a really strong, over emotional way.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that that loses control of loses self control very easily. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: they probably shouldn't have a gun either. Most most likely
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Speaker 2: they shouldn't have a gun readily available either. You know,
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Speaker 2: that's a that's a huge one. I think that's probably
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Speaker 2: that's the more dangerous element. You know, somebody that's not
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Speaker 2: willing to hurt somebody that that has a gun probably
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Speaker 2: will never hurt anybody with it. Somebody that has a
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Speaker 2: gun that has no self control, no control of their temper,
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Speaker 2: no control of their emotions, is the least as the person.
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Speaker 2: I don't want to have a gun.
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Speaker 1: We talked about the story and I mentioned it last week,
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Speaker 1: the shooting in Panama City on two thirty one. Someone
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Speaker 1: didn't like the way someone was driving and there was
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Speaker 1: a little physical altercation at a stoplight. It should have
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Speaker 1: ended right there with everybody driving on their own separate way,
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Speaker 1: but in this case, it didn't happen, and someone ended
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Speaker 1: up dead and another one seriously injured.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's just those people that commit crimes like
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Speaker 2: that and do things like that should be taken out
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Speaker 2: of our society.
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Speaker 1: And those are the people you're talking about.
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Speaker 2: That's exactly what I'm talking about. That's precisely what I'm
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Speaker 2: talking about. So yeah, I mean that's more significant than
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Speaker 2: the other we had.
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Speaker 1: We've covered a lot of ground over the years with
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Speaker 1: with you, Charlie and myself and one of the things
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Speaker 1: that I thought about yesterday is there's terminology. There are
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Speaker 1: words inside like any other thing that we toss around
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Speaker 1: and use and come across, and people just don't know
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Speaker 1: what they mean. So I'm gonna throw you some words
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Speaker 1: and phrases, all right, and let's help people understand some
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Speaker 1: of this terminology a little bit a little better.
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Speaker 2: ACP ACP stands for automatic cult Pistol, So COLT was
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Speaker 2: a very innovative firearms company from from the beginning. So
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Speaker 2: ACP is a is an American expression. There are the
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Speaker 2: calibers that have ACP attached to it were most likely
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Speaker 2: first chamber, first used in a cult pistol, and therefore
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Speaker 2: it got the name ACP. One that comes to mind
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Speaker 2: is the three eighty ACP with small caliber. In Europe
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Speaker 2: it's called a nine millimeter KERTS for nine millimeters short,
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Speaker 2: so it's the same exact cartridge nine millimeter kerts and
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Speaker 2: three eighty ac is the same cartridge. The Europeans that
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Speaker 2: on the metric system they have different designations for several
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Speaker 2: COLT ACP cartridges that we call it one thing here
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Speaker 2: and they call it something else over there.
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Speaker 1: So ACP refers to a cartridge not necessarily a gun, correct,
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Speaker 1: and that cartridge can work outside of a cult pistol.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. The forty five is the most prevalent forty five ACP.
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Speaker 2: There is a forty five COLT as well, or forty
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Speaker 2: five long colt. It's called it's the same caliber, one
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Speaker 2: says colt that's typically used in a revolver. And then
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Speaker 2: the ACP was a forty five automatic cult pistol.
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Speaker 1: They are not interchangeable.
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Speaker 2: They are not interchangeable unless well they can be. They
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Speaker 2: can be in some revolvers that will some revolvers that
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Speaker 2: are capable of shooting the forty five colt. You can
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Speaker 2: use a device called a moon clip put the forty
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Speaker 2: five ACP cartridges is the moon clip to give them
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Speaker 2: a rim, and they can be used in a revolt.
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Speaker 2: There are some convertibles.
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Speaker 1: Out there, and so we've talked about ACP nineteen eleven.
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Speaker 2: Nineteen eleven is the model of nineteen eleven. It is
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Speaker 2: a cult pistol. It was actually designed in about nineteen
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Speaker 2: oh five. It was adopted by the US military in
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Speaker 2: nineteen eleven. Semi automatic steel frame.
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Speaker 1: What makes it different from a different something that's not
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Speaker 1: a nineteen eleven.
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Speaker 2: Well, the design. I mean, there's a lot of nineteen
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Speaker 2: elevens out there on the market now and everybody recognize them.
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Speaker 2: A lot of times. The parts are even interchangeable with
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Speaker 2: the original cults. It's a system. It's an operating system
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Speaker 2: designed by John Browning that's been around for a long time,
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Speaker 2: and the patent is up on it. So everybody, you know,
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Speaker 2: most most manufacturers are a lot of manufacturers in the
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Speaker 2: industry make nineteen eleven pistols and it's very recognizable. It's
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Speaker 2: the service pistol for World War One and World War
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Speaker 2: Two and Korea and Vietnam.
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Speaker 1: I had always been told by others, not you guys,
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Speaker 1: that nineteen eleven's are not the best firearm for someone
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Speaker 1: that's new to firearms.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely correct, because well they operate air a single action pistol.
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Speaker 2: So that means that the hammer has to be manually cocked,
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Speaker 2: either by working the slide or taking your thumb and
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Speaker 2: cocking the pistol before you pull the trigger the first time.
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Speaker 2: It has to be manually operated. The only way to
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Speaker 2: carry it where it is absolutely ready to fight, where
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Speaker 2: you draw it out of the holster and pull the trigger,
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Speaker 2: is if the hammer is cocked and a safety is on.
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Speaker 2: It has a grip safety, it has a thumb safety
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Speaker 2: on the side. That takes a lot of training to
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Speaker 2: simply remove that safety when you're in a stressful situation.
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Speaker 1: So for someone that's new to firearms, not the best
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Speaker 1: first choice would not.
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Speaker 2: Be my recommendation unless you have somebody that is absolutely
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Speaker 2: willing to put in the work. They're also, unfortunately the
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Speaker 2: modern ones because they've tightened, tolerance is up. The original
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Speaker 2: ones were not very accurate. They had really poor, little, thin,
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Speaker 2: skinny sights on them. They were more of a point
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Speaker 2: and shoot kind of gun as opposed to a gun
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Speaker 2: that you use the sights on the aim. And the
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Speaker 2: original ones, the military ones were not superbly accurate. Everybody
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Speaker 2: has the quest has been to make those guns accurate.
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Speaker 2: The more accurate you make them, the tighter the tolerance is,
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Speaker 2: the less reliable they become. And the caution that I
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Speaker 2: give to people that want a nineteen eleven is, if
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Speaker 2: you want to carry a nineteen eleven and depend on
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Speaker 2: you better it's kind of like riding an old Harley
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Speaker 2: Davidson motorcycle, you better learn how to work on it
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Speaker 2: because it's gonna there's things that are gonna wear and
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Speaker 2: things that are gonna change with the gun. So you
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Speaker 2: need to be able to diagnose a problem and fix
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Speaker 2: it yourself, or you're gonna be spending a ton of
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Speaker 2: money at a gunsmith.
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Speaker 1: Automatic versus semi automatic.
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Speaker 2: Automatic legally legal definition of automatic is one trigger pull
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Speaker 2: can equal multiple rounds, multiple rounds fired on one single
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Speaker 2: trigger pull, so or you essentially can pull the trigger
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Speaker 2: once and hold it down and the gun will continue
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Speaker 2: to cycle and fire. The weapon that's a full auto
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Speaker 2: machine gun. There's a lot of terminology for it out there.
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Speaker 2: A semi automatic requires a trigger pull for one trigger
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Speaker 2: pool for one shot.
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Speaker 1: Bolt action.
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Speaker 2: Bolt action is another design of firem's been around since
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Speaker 2: pre nineteen hundred. It has a bolt, a device that
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Speaker 2: chambers the round houses the firing pin. It's got a
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Speaker 2: handle sticking out to the side, and you either push
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Speaker 2: that handle up and pull it back and push it
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Speaker 2: back forward to eject an empty cartridge and load a
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Speaker 2: new cartridge. Some of them are straight pull back, so
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Speaker 2: you just and those have been around since pre nineteen hundred,
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Speaker 2: where you just grab a hold of the bolt that's
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Speaker 2: sticking out of the gun and pull it straight back.
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Speaker 1: Are all hunting rifle bolt action?
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Speaker 2: Nope. You can have semi automatic, you can have bolt action,
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Speaker 2: you can have breakopen, you can have lever action. There's
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Speaker 2: all different kinds of hunting calibersney. Hunting rifles are more
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Speaker 2: defined by caliber than they are design of the fire.
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Speaker 1: A bolt action rifle is best for.
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Speaker 2: They tend to be more accurate and for the for
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Speaker 2: the most part, okay, and they're best for you know,
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Speaker 2: you can shoot bigger calibers in bolt action rifles than
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Speaker 2: you can in most semi autos. But then again you
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Speaker 2: throw around, then you've got a Browning Moduce the fifty
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Speaker 2: caliber machine guns. So you know, there's all kind of
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Speaker 2: contradictory statements there. Bolt actions are usually inherently very accurate
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Speaker 2: because you've got fewer moving parts than you do in
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Speaker 2: a semi auto.
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Speaker 1: If you answer this one with my name, you'll hurt
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Speaker 1: my heart.
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Speaker 2: Bore it's the diameter of the hole that goes down
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Speaker 2: the middle of the barrel. The hole in the barrel
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Speaker 2: is the considered the.
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Speaker 1: Bore, okay, And that is relevant to caliber.
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Speaker 2: Yes or gauge. If you're talking about shotguns.
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Speaker 1: How does choke factor into that?
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Speaker 2: Chokes are for shotguns. They constrict the bore, usually at
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Speaker 2: the end of the barrel, right about the time where
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Speaker 2: the pellets come out. It's a constriction of the boar
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Speaker 2: that causes the gun to pattern smaller or larger, depending
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Speaker 2: on what you're trying to do.
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Speaker 1: This is a fun game we're playing here this morning.
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Speaker 1: Know your terms, Jad Johnson with me of the Talent
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Speaker 1: Training Group, and we're talking about terms, phrases, things that
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Speaker 1: are commonplace that if you know, if you are one
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Speaker 1: of those gun people, you know this stuff. I get it,
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Speaker 1: but most people don't. And I don't think that most
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Speaker 1: have a real comfortable understanding of some of this stuff.
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Speaker 1: So we're talking over some terms and things with somebody
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Speaker 1: that does know and understand this stuff. And we talked
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Speaker 1: about bore. What is breach.
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Speaker 2: That's the end of the barrel, that the that the
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Speaker 2: cartridge goes in. Essentially, chamber breach that's the the end
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Speaker 2: you load the cartridge in.
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Speaker 1: Are Are the words breach and chamber interchangeable? More or less? Yeah? Yeah? Okay,
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Speaker 1: all right.
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Speaker 2: Cylinder uh term used for a revolver. Primarily it's the
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Speaker 2: the round part of the revolver that sits inside the
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Speaker 2: frame where the cartridges go into that turns around.
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Speaker 1: That turns around and spins a little bit. Yeah, double
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Speaker 1: versus single action.
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Speaker 2: Double action is a firearm that when you pull the trigger,
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Speaker 2: you're you're doing two things. You're cocking the firearm and
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Speaker 2: then at the end of the double action trigger pool,
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Speaker 2: you release the hammer. So you're cocking the hammer and
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Speaker 2: releasing the hammer. With the trigger pool single action, you
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Speaker 2: have to manually cock it. Or when the semi auto
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Speaker 2: semi auto pistol that when it operates and ejects the
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Speaker 2: cartridge and loads a new one, the hammer stays back.
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Speaker 2: And this single action of pulling the trigger the one act,
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Speaker 2: or when you pull the trigger, it does one thing.
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Speaker 2: It releases the hammer.
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Speaker 1: When a revolver is hammerless. Other than the obvious that
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Speaker 1: you don't see the hammer outside the gun, what does
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Speaker 1: that mean?
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Speaker 2: Exactly what you just said, You can't see the hammer.
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Speaker 2: You can't see the hammer outside the gun. That hammer
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Speaker 2: is not exposed.
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Speaker 1: Is that a double action gun always always a double
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Speaker 1: action gun.
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Speaker 2: Firing pin firing pin is the part of a firearm
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Speaker 2: that strikes the primer. It's shaped like a pin or
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Speaker 2: a needle, looks bigger than that obviously, But it's the
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Speaker 2: part that strikes the primer to ignite the cartridge.
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Speaker 1: Fouled or fouling, it's.
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Speaker 2: The carbon lead or other material left behind in the
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Speaker 2: boar or the chamber or after firing the gun you have.
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Speaker 2: When gas or anything burns, there is a carbon emission, uh,
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Speaker 2: and that carbon sticks to things and gets left behind it.
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Speaker 2: Fouling can also be caused by lead coming off of
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Speaker 2: the bullet, plastic coming off of a residue.
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Speaker 1: Residue, yeah, okay, and that and trash, and that's and
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Speaker 1: that's what we have to clean. Yep, that's what you
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Speaker 1: can out of our firearms. Okay, we talked about a hammer.
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Speaker 1: A magazine.
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Speaker 2: Magazine is a box, for lack of a better term,
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Speaker 2: it's a box and that holds cartridges. It's different from
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Speaker 2: a clip. There is such thing as a clip, but
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Speaker 2: a magazine's most semi automatic pistols that and a lot
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Speaker 2: of the semi automatic rifles that we have in our
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Speaker 2: world today are fed. The cartridges are contained in a magazine.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to two. I'm gonna combine two into
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Speaker 1: one here because I think that a lot of people
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Speaker 1: don't understand the distinction between a take up and a
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Speaker 1: trigger reset. Okay, what's the difference.
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Speaker 2: Take up would be as you're starting a trigger pool,
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Speaker 2: you have a little bit of slop in there or
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Speaker 2: a distance of movement of the trigger before anything happens.
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Speaker 2: That take up until you start to feel tension or
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Speaker 2: you get to a point in the trigger pool that
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Speaker 2: it's about to release the hammer or whatever.
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Speaker 1: So that's your take up. You're feeling some kind of resistance, right, Okay.
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Speaker 2: So when that trigger travels all the way to its
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Speaker 2: fullest travel at the rear and you release it, usually
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Speaker 2: the reset is somewhere in between the trigger at its
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Speaker 2: full extension back to its original position and the end
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Speaker 2: of it on the other end where the gun actually fires.
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Speaker 2: So you most guns have a reset point where you
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Speaker 2: can feel a click or hear a click, or there's
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Speaker 2: a distance a partial distance all the way to the
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Speaker 2: front that the gun will the trigger will reset itself.
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Speaker 1: Is it true that if you learn the reset and
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Speaker 1: how to properly acknowledge it or recognize it, that you
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Speaker 1: can be quicker and more accurate.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, So you're not having to pull the trigger as far,
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Speaker 2: there's less movement anytime you can take movement out of
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Speaker 2: what's going on when a gun's being fired, the more
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Speaker 2: accurate you're going to be.
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Speaker 1: I think this is a mystery to a lot of people.
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people that are new to firearms,
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Speaker 1: that are not hunters, that didn't grow up learning about
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Speaker 1: this really don't understand what we're talking about when we
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Speaker 1: talk about because I don't fully understand it. JD. The
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Speaker 1: difference between I mean, I know there's a difference between
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Speaker 1: buck shot and bird shot, so let's start there. The
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Speaker 1: obvious difference is size size of the pellets. So bird
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Speaker 1: shots designed to shoot birds.
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Speaker 2: Bird shot is designed to shoot birds or clay targets
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Speaker 2: clay birds. Okay, the pellet size of shotgun shells. That's
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Speaker 2: how there are several expressions. When you look at a
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Speaker 2: box of shotgun shells, you'll see the gauge, which is
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Speaker 2: the size of the shell, the size of the bore
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Speaker 2: of gun that it goes.
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Speaker 1: At four ten, twenty twelve for the most.
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Speaker 2: Twenty eight, yeah, sixteen, Yeah, there's other ones. But so
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Speaker 2: you have the gauge, and then you have the pellet
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Speaker 2: size will be you know, about the smallest pellet I
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Speaker 2: know anything about the size twelve. You don't see them
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Speaker 2: very much. What you standard. The smallest size that you
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Speaker 2: see most often is number eights or seven and a half,
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Speaker 2: and that is the size of the actual pellets. And
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Speaker 2: there's hundreds in a twelve gauge bird shot shell. There
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Speaker 2: are hundreds, like three hundred and fifty, three hundred and sixty,
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Speaker 2: whatever the number is.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: There's somebody I'm sure out there that say, with one
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Speaker 2: ounce of number eight shot, there's that many three hundred
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Speaker 2: and however many shells in it are pellets in there.
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Speaker 2: So you've got three hundred plus little tiny pellets that
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Speaker 2: are smaller than a peppercorn. They're tiny, they come out
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Speaker 2: in a pattern, and it gives you more opportunity to
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Speaker 2: break the clay target.
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Speaker 1: Not necessarily the best for bird hunting because you're picking
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Speaker 1: it out of your bird, right.
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Speaker 2: Well, no, that is what you have if you want
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Speaker 2: to kill the bird. Yeah, I mean, so.
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Speaker 1: You want that many little pellets you got to deal with, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: because you're probably only going to hit the bird with
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Speaker 1: If the bird is thirty yards away or twenty five
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Speaker 1: yards away, you're probably.
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Speaker 2: Gonna only hit the bird with eight or ten of
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Speaker 2: them the most. Sometimes they'll pass all the way through,
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Speaker 2: so you're you do have to pick it out. I
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Speaker 2: mean you do have to occasionally pick your shot out.
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Speaker 2: I've probably swallowed enough of it in my life to
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Speaker 2: give me lead poisonous.
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Speaker 1: But anyway, so you sets off the detectors at the
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Speaker 1: at the walkthroughs at the airport.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so number eight is tiny, and then it goes
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Speaker 2: all the way up through number triple b BBB. Okay,
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Speaker 2: and that's all of that is considered bird shot BBB
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Speaker 2: is what you would shoot goose, goose and ducks. With
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Speaker 2: a bigger pellet. There may only be let's just say,
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Speaker 2: if there's four hundred and I'm just throwing this number
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Speaker 2: for four hundred, number eight's in a twelve gage shotgunshell,
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Speaker 2: there may only be one hundred. And as you get
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Speaker 2: bigger and then you step up the buck shot.
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Speaker 1: Now, buck shot is obviously more what you want at
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Speaker 1: home defense. Yes, now let's talk real. We got about
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Speaker 1: a minute and a half left. Give us an overview
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Speaker 1: of the differences in buck shot and what is advice
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Speaker 1: really simple.
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Speaker 2: It starts the smallest buck shot would probably be considered
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Speaker 2: number four buck They are twenty five or twenty four caliber.
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Speaker 2: Number four buck is twenty four caliber ball. So you
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Speaker 2: imagine a lead pellet that is zero point two four
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Speaker 2: inches in diameter, okay, and goes up to single aught.
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Speaker 2: But excuse me, triple at buck, which may be thirty six.
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Speaker 2: I'm guessing I don't have.
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Speaker 1: The t you say triple lot, it's going to say
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Speaker 1: on the box zero zero zero.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the biggest buck shot. You may only have
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Speaker 2: in a twelve gage show. You may only have six
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Speaker 2: of those in a in a shot shell. So you
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Speaker 2: go from having probably fifty something number four buck up
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Speaker 2: to six, and they're bigger caliber. So double lot buck
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Speaker 2: is which is the most common. Double lot buck is
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Speaker 2: thirty three caliber.
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Speaker 1: What's advisable in your opinion for someone using a shotgun
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Speaker 1: for home defense?
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Speaker 2: Any of the buck shot will work. They use different
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Speaker 2: sized buck shot sometime for different gages because they fit
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Speaker 2: better in the in the area that you have or
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Speaker 2: in the cup that you have to put them in.
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Speaker 2: So twelve gage, you'll see number four, you'll see number one,
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Speaker 2: you'll see double at. They're all good for.
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Speaker 1: Some people like the idea of a slug, but you
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Speaker 1: better be careful yeah.
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Speaker 2: Slug is a one ounce or an ounce and a
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Speaker 2: quarter maybe an ounce and a half, solid big fat
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Speaker 2: chunk a lid like a fishing weight size you know,
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Speaker 2: a half ounce or an ounce or whatever size slug.
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Speaker 2: They usually have rifling built into the bullet so it
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Speaker 2: works with a smooth board and in part spin on.
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Speaker 2: The bullet can be accurate out to one hundred yards
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Speaker 2: or more, but it makes a very large hole and
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Speaker 2: it doesn't slow down a lot, so over penetration for
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Speaker 2: home defense is a significant concern.
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Speaker 1: Great stuff today, Thank you sir, Thank you JD. Johnson.
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