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Credlin | 21 August · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peedo Krandlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the show. Here is what's coming
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Speaker 2: up tonight on Kredline. First IVY fluid now vital, end
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Speaker 2: of life pain relief supplies cut due to government mismanagement
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Speaker 2: to drug supply chains, with medical experts now gravely concerned.
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Speaker 2: Older Australians are set to pay more for their age care,
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Speaker 2: with labor set to radically upend the system, while those
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Speaker 2: raught in the NDIS will be allowed to avoid repaying
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Speaker 2: their debts. Now, how's any of that fair? We'll get
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Speaker 2: the latest on day two from the Democratic National Convention.
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Speaker 2: As Michelle and Barack Obama take the stage in Canberra.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister faces more questions over his Gaza visa
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Speaker 2: scheme as it's revealed the cost to support these new
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Speaker 2: arrivals could be as much as three hundred million dollars
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Speaker 2: and not contend to name call and slur Peter Dutton
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Speaker 2: as a racist, Zali's steggle and a fellow teals now
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Speaker 2: accuse the Coalition of.
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Speaker 3: Misogyny overwhelmingly the conduct.
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Speaker 4: The conduct is by mail and peace.
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Speaker 2: One of the colleagues across the chamber called out rip
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Speaker 2: him another one, and I'm.
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Speaker 5: Like, how is this behavior that is acceptable in the
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Speaker 5: real world.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to call it out, mister Dutton recently, name calling, labeling,
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Speaker 2: denigrating words in the media is unacceptable. For first, more
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Speaker 2: travel for the Albanezer government over Gaza visas today the
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Speaker 2: opposition claiming that bringing in three thousand people from the
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Speaker 2: terrorist controlled warzone could cost taxpayers upwards of three hundred
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Speaker 2: million over four years.
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Speaker 6: This is the government that's handed out three thousand tourist
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Speaker 6: visas to people who are clearly not tourists. They don't
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Speaker 6: intend to return to Gaza, they can't return to Gaza,
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Speaker 6: and so right now the government is contemplating offering these
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Speaker 6: people permanent visas. When they do so, I'll be able
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Speaker 6: to access Medicare, welfare and other benefits. And that's not free.
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Speaker 6: In fact, it costs about twenty five thousand dollars per
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Speaker 6: year per visa holder. So if all three thousand are
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Speaker 6: converted to permanent visa holders and access those benefits, we've
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Speaker 6: calculated it'll cost Australian taxpayers three hundred million dollars over
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Speaker 6: four years.
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Speaker 2: Now, let's face it, almost none of them will volunteer
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Speaker 2: to go back, and the government says it won't force
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Speaker 2: anyone to return, so welfare payments, housing assistance, medicare, legal
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Speaker 2: aid and all the other resettlement services Australia provides will
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Speaker 2: be granted to them. It all costs money. Given the
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Speaker 2: ongoing financial costs plus the potential national security risks are
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Speaker 2: bringing people from a terrorist controlled war zone, the question
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Speaker 2: haunting this government is why why are we letting at
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Speaker 2: least three thousand people, scarcely security checked, many of them
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Speaker 2: schooled from infancy and due hatred and the evils of
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Speaker 2: the West come to Australia when none of our allies
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Speaker 2: are taking in anything like these numbers. Now the countries
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Speaker 2: at no gas are best than Muslim neighbors Egypt, Jordan, Qwait, Iraq,
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Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia, or they're taking none.
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Speaker 3: None at all.
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Speaker 2: As far as we know, there's been no cabinet decision,
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Speaker 2: no leadership group discussion, no caucus debate on any of this.
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Speaker 2: Certainly no formal announcement, no proper press conference or anything
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Speaker 2: like it. This all leaked out last November, and it
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Speaker 2: was only then that Pennywong sheepishly admitted seven hundred visas
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Speaker 2: had already been granted with hundreds more to come. Now,
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Speaker 2: what's worse, it would appear that ASIO weren't consulted at
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Speaker 2: all about this decision to let people in from a
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Speaker 2: terror zone with minimal no security vetting. We know at
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Speaker 2: the time the Prime Minister had booted Asio out of
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Speaker 2: his National Security Committee.
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Speaker 3: Maybe this was why.
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Speaker 2: Maybe he feared Asio would argue against it. Certainly the
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Speaker 2: AZO I knew in the past would have done that
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Speaker 2: expressing genuine concern for the security and safety of all Australians.
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Speaker 2: Any wonder our terrorism threat level was recently increased when
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Speaker 2: this scheme to bring Palestinians from Gaza to Australia under
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Speaker 2: a cover of secrecy that's now been blown, looks like
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Speaker 2: it was something cooked up between the PM and former
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Speaker 2: Immigration Minister Andrew Giles not to advance Australia's national interest,
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Speaker 2: but to trade visas for votes in Western Sydney. All
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Speaker 2: at a time when anti Semitism is rampant. What an
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Speaker 2: appalling thing to do to our country. Now, this isn't
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Speaker 2: an easy issue to discuss. It could actually be confronting
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Speaker 2: for some people. But we can't just pretend it away
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Speaker 2: because it's difficult here I'm talking about the fact that
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Speaker 2: babies who survive late term abortions are refused life saving
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Speaker 2: medical care and left to die in some but not all.
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Speaker 3: States in this country.
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Speaker 2: Now, as I woke up this morning, I still couldn't
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Speaker 2: get over the decision in the Senate last night but
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Speaker 2: refuse to even allow debate on a resolution that all
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Speaker 2: newborn babies born alive after late term abortions be allowed
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Speaker 2: to receive medical treatment rather than being left to die.
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Speaker 2: Here is a midwife speaking out about what is happening
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Speaker 2: in Queensland.
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Speaker 7: We've had babies born alive after terminations from fifteen to
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Speaker 7: twenty two weeks, born alive, gasping for air, moving and
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Speaker 7: having a palpable heart rate, fighting for their lives as
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Speaker 7: we are humans designed to do. Parents of these babies
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Speaker 7: who are born alive after abortion do not want to
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Speaker 7: see or hold them. This means the only person left
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Speaker 7: who could possibly hold them.
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Speaker 3: As a midwife or a nurse. If there's where a.
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Speaker 7: Pregnancy life someone wanted baby, the mother and father would
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Speaker 7: usually comfort that baby while the baby was alive until
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Speaker 7: they pass.
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Speaker 2: So in one room you've got doctors doing everything they
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Speaker 2: can to save a premature baby, and in another room
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Speaker 2: they're forced to leave a baby to die because they've
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Speaker 2: unexpectedly emerged alive from a late term abortion. Now, why
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Speaker 2: should the treatment of one human person depend upon a
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Speaker 2: veto from someone else. In this case of the woman,
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Speaker 2: she might have intended the child dead.
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Speaker 3: But if the.
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Speaker 2: Baby is born alive, surely it's right to live trumps
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Speaker 2: everything else elsewhere. At law in Australia we would call
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Speaker 2: this infanticide. Now, our records in this area are hard
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Speaker 2: to get because it's rightly embarrassing for a medical system that.
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Speaker 3: Would prefer to draw a veil over all all of.
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Speaker 2: This to pretend it isn't happening, and hope you never
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Speaker 2: hear about it. But it seems that over the past
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Speaker 2: decade in Queensland and Victoria alone, more than seven hundred
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Speaker 2: babies have been born alive after late term abortions and
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Speaker 2: then left to die untreated on a medical dish like
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Speaker 2: discarded waste. In other states, thankfully, their laws say the
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Speaker 2: baby must be given treatment. Hence the need for one
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Speaker 2: national law to protect all newborns. And that's what UAP
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Speaker 2: Senator Ralph Babbott was trying to do when he moved
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Speaker 2: to urgently debate this issue last night, only his bid
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Speaker 2: was stymied by Labor and the Greens that fanatically are
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Speaker 2: committed to abortion rights right up until birth and now
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Speaker 2: it would see even after delivery and voting with the
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Speaker 2: hard left were for liberals who I bet would rather
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Speaker 2: know one knew about this cruelty. They are Senate Leader
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Speaker 2: and South Australian Liberal Simon Birmingham, Victorian Liberal Jane Hume
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Speaker 2: and New South Wales's Liberals Andrew Bragg and Maria Coverchick.
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Speaker 2: This motion was not about restricting abortion. That wasn't even
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Speaker 2: on the table, and in any event, abortion under law
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Speaker 2: in Australia is a matter for the States, not the Commonwealth.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't about changing a woman's right to choose. This
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Speaker 2: was a motion about protecting children. Baby is born that
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Speaker 2: should have the right to treatment, regardless of the woman's
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Speaker 2: intention when she walked into the hospital, because how we
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Speaker 2: treat the most vulnerable in society says everything about our
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Speaker 2: values and our humanity. To reject the right of doctors
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Speaker 2: and nurses who want to save these babies from doing so,
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Speaker 2: it's inhuman, it's against their hippocratic oath to preserve life
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Speaker 2: wherever they can, and I have to say it's just
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Speaker 2: as inhumane for the rest of us just to let
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Speaker 2: this go.
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Speaker 7: Right.
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Speaker 2: We'll go to Camber now for the headlines sky News
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Speaker 2: political reporter Cam Reddin.
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Speaker 8: MPs behaving badly could soon be fined, suspended or dumped
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Speaker 8: from parliamentary committees under a proposed new disciplinary board.
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Speaker 2: Bullying, harassment, other complaints were common in this workplace and
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Speaker 2: we're trying to change that.
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Speaker 8: The Independent Standards Commission would be sent up to investigate
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Speaker 8: claims of misconduct against politicians or their staff.
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Speaker 9: We want to make sure that this is a safe
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Speaker 9: and respectful workplace at all times.
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Speaker 8: The Commission would have limited power to impose direct sanctions
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Speaker 8: against politicians, but could recommend Parliament fine MPs up to
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Speaker 8: five percent of their salary, sack them from committee es,
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Speaker 8: suspend them from Parliament, or that a member of staff
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Speaker 8: be terminated. Parliament should set the standard of behavior instead
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Speaker 8: of being a national shame. State and territory leaders have
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Speaker 8: agreed to fast track rule changes that would help curb
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Speaker 8: the rising cost of the Ndis it all works better
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Speaker 8: when you don't have the FEDS and the States arguing
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Speaker 8: The deal puts premiers and the Federal government on the
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Speaker 8: same page around rules that aim to cap funding growth
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Speaker 8: of the NDIS at eight percent a year. It will
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Speaker 8: make life more difficult and it will lead to the
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Speaker 8: deaths of disabled people. The Coalition has continued its pursuit
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Speaker 8: of the Government over the handling of visas given to
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Speaker 8: Palestinians fleeing Gaza.
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Speaker 10: Of the reported forty three tourist visas your government granted
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Speaker 10: and then canceled, twenty have been reinstated on appeal. Did
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Speaker 10: ministerial intervention occur to support any of these twenty cases?
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Speaker 11: Remember is asking me question about ministerial invention. There certainly
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Speaker 11: has not been prime ministerial invention.
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Speaker 3: Well more on all of that.
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Speaker 2: I'm joining ow Myskyniest, senior reporter Carolyn Marcus and our
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Speaker 2: political reporter from camera, cam Reddan.
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Speaker 3: Will welcome to you both again.
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Speaker 2: A feature in the House today the issue of visas
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Speaker 2: out of Palestine, dogging labor. The Coalition today confirming that
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Speaker 2: if all the current gazas were to stay in Australia permanently,
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Speaker 2: and I suspect many will, the cost of taxpayers would
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Speaker 2: be around three hundred million dollars. Well, that's a big figure, Caroline,
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Speaker 2: But that's just for the first four years. But let's
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Speaker 2: put the cost to one side. I think the focus
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Speaker 2: has got to be on the lack of security checks
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Speaker 2: and the attempts by the government again today to avoid
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Speaker 2: answering just basic simple questions.
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Speaker 3: That's what's hurting them.
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Speaker 2: And I'm pretty confident, as an example, that they took
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Speaker 2: this decision without formal advice from ASIO, and that's why
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Speaker 2: they keep dodging the question.
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Speaker 3: And that speaks volumes to me.
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Speaker 9: Well, it's difficult to imagine any security agency advising a
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Speaker 9: government was that it's a good idea to take up
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Speaker 9: to three thousand people it's up to at the moment
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Speaker 9: from a terrorist enclave where there is still majority support
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Speaker 9: for hamas a terrorist organization, and majority support for those
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Speaker 9: horrific October seven attacks on Israel. You know, the most
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Speaker 9: minimal of security checks appears to have been done, on
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Speaker 9: average twenty four hours to check these people, and in
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Speaker 9: some cases as little as one hour. How can we
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Speaker 9: be how can we rest easy as a public that
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Speaker 9: this is the level of security checks that the government
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Speaker 9: thinks is all right when it's people who are coming
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Speaker 9: from these areas, When in the past, when we had
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Speaker 9: under the Coalition government people coming from Syria from Afghanistan
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Speaker 9: escaping similar Islamist regimes, we had an average of twelve
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Speaker 9: months for those sorts of security checks to be done.
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Speaker 9: How can you possibly compare the two? But I have
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Speaker 9: to say, Peter, I'm not quite as confident when it
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Speaker 9: comes to ASIO anymore, now that we've heard the ASIO boss,
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Speaker 9: Mike Burgess say that it's that people who express support
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Speaker 9: for hermass that's not a deal breaker. When it's in
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Speaker 9: terms of giving them a visa to come here, that's
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Speaker 9: quite a right apparently. So it doesn't fill me with
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Speaker 9: a lot of confidence when I hear things like that.
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Speaker 9: But in terms of what happened today in Parliament, you know,
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Speaker 9: it was more of the same from the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 9: not answering questions properly, flinging around personal accusations against Peter
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Speaker 9: Dutton and the Coalition, saying that Peter Dutton is nasty
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Speaker 9: and that he's punching down.
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Speaker 3: I always think if someone.
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Speaker 9: Resorts to personal attacks like that, it means that they
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Speaker 9: don't have a very good defense to the argument in
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Speaker 9: the first place.
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Speaker 2: Well, we'll stay with the personal attacks because the cam
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Speaker 2: the Teals Can. They had a press conference today. They
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Speaker 2: say that they're not a party, but they're always front
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Speaker 2: together looking very much like a party. They're accusing the
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Speaker 2: Coalition of misogyny. I'm going to speak to the Liberal
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Speaker 2: Deputy leader on this point in a moment. But Labor
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Speaker 2: is close to introducing the Independent Parliamentary Standards Commission. I
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Speaker 2: did note in the package we played just before, the
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Speaker 2: person pushing this new commission, Katie Gallagher, talked about bullying
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Speaker 2: and name calling and poor treatment, but she was of
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Speaker 2: course accused by her own colleague, the late Kimberly Kitching,
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Speaker 2: of being a bully, being one of the mean girls.
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Speaker 2: Well she's got carriage of this issue. Take us through
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Speaker 2: the code and what it'll mean for politicians.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, there's a big question about how this will look
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Speaker 8: in practice, Peter, because the body won't be able to
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Speaker 8: do a lot on its own. What it can do
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Speaker 8: is make a series of recommendations for action that the
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Speaker 8: parliaments can then take if somebody is found to have
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Speaker 8: behaved badly, particularly for MPs. So it can say, for
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Speaker 8: example that if XMP has behaved badly to exactly what threshold,
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Speaker 8: what would meet that standard? We don't yet know for sure,
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Speaker 8: but they could have things like, for example, part of
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Speaker 8: their pay. They could be docked, They could be suspended
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Speaker 8: from Parliament for a period of time, booted off a committee.
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Speaker 8: If a staffer has acted inappropriately, they could essentially be
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Speaker 8: ordered to sack that member of staff. So much of
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Speaker 8: this remains a question mark until any of it is
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Speaker 8: tested practically, Peter, Arguably the most important point about this
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Speaker 8: whole thing though, it doesn't cover conduct in the chamber,
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Speaker 8: So all the to and fro, the rough and tumble
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Speaker 8: in question time, in debates, the certain words that might
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Speaker 8: be used to describe people during the rough and tumble
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Speaker 8: of political debate, that's not covered. All of this covers
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Speaker 8: outside activities, so you know, conversations in the corridor, behavior
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Speaker 8: in offices, all of that counts. What happens in the
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Speaker 8: chamber doesn't. So how much of what we see for
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Speaker 8: day to day politics actually gets held up to this standard,
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Speaker 8: that's a bit of an unknown so far.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the shocking report in the Australian today.
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Speaker 2: This is about palliative care patients, so dying Australians being
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Speaker 2: forced to pay more than four thousand dollars for painkilling
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Speaker 2: drugs that we now have to import from overseas after
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Speaker 2: the existing product, which used to cost around seven dollars,
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Speaker 2: was removed from the market. Now the minister here, Mark Butler,
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Speaker 2: was worn nine months ago with looming shortages. We know
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Speaker 2: there's that issue with ivy fluids. He was also warned
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Speaker 2: about that we've got die shortages in Australia. But this one,
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Speaker 2: Caroline's pretty horrific because those dying patients and their families
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Speaker 2: now have to pay these multi thousand dollars cost to
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Speaker 2: give them relief at end of life. I mean, what
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Speaker 2: are these ministers doing if they're not doing their day job.
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Speaker 9: I don't know what they're doing. They clearly had months
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Speaker 9: and months and months to prepare for this. They were
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Speaker 9: warned about it in this case nine months ago. In
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Speaker 9: terms of these drugs, and when we're talking about people
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Speaker 9: in palliative care, it's not just elderly people who are
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Speaker 9: at the end of long lives. We're talking about children too,
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Speaker 9: who are struggling to get access to things like oral
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Speaker 9: morphine liquid oral morphine.
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Speaker 3: It is just horrific.
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Speaker 9: I mean, these are people who are just in these
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Speaker 9: such awful circumstances.
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Speaker 3: And their families being.
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Speaker 9: Given these difficult choices thousands of dollars for these medications
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Speaker 9: when they're not listed on the PBS like these alternatives aren't.
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Speaker 9: And who can afford that these days with the cost
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Speaker 9: of living crisis only the really wealthy. So it is
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Speaker 9: just a horrible situation. And it comes off the back,
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Speaker 9: of course of this ivy shortage that we're experiencing too,
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Speaker 9: where the government also had since last May it was
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Speaker 9: warned about this looming crisis, and yet somehow Australia seems
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Speaker 9: to be the only country in the world affected by
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Speaker 9: this shortage. We haven't managed to prepare like everyone else has,
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Speaker 9: it would seem this one I.
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Speaker 2: Think worries me a lot to cam this is a
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Speaker 2: sweeping overhaul of age care, because the devil will be
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Speaker 2: in the details. What we know is that there'll be
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Speaker 2: big cost increases for baby boomers. Now, if you're on
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Speaker 2: a pension, you'll be better off than others. But if
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Speaker 2: you're a self funder retiree, if you've made sacrifices to
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Speaker 2: save for your retirement.
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Speaker 3: You're going to be hit hard here.
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Speaker 2: There'll be additional costs in an age care facility, but
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Speaker 2: also to home care packages and more. I'm told the
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Speaker 2: deals close to being announced. What can you tell us.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, the Prime Minister Todd caucus this week, Peter that
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Speaker 8: it'll be announced very soon, so maybe even as soon
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Speaker 8: as tomorrow, by the end of the parliamentary sitting week.
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Speaker 8: But the bottom line, as you indicate there, is that
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Speaker 8: many individuals are going to be paying more for their
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Speaker 8: age care that they receive. That's the bottom line of
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Speaker 8: where we're going to land. The government ruled out a
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Speaker 8: number of ways that it looked at for potentially essentially
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Speaker 8: paying for age care into the future. The rough ballpark
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Speaker 8: figure is it'll double over the course of the next
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Speaker 8: decade from around thirty billion dollars a year to sixty
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Speaker 8: billion dollars a year. They didn't want to go for
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Speaker 8: an age care levy. They didn't really want to slap
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Speaker 8: higher taxes on. So as a result, what we're going
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Speaker 8: to look at is a shifting of some of the
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Speaker 8: cost from the taxpayer at large to the individual And
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Speaker 8: without going to the nitty gritty of all the boring
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Speaker 8: details of it, essentially what that means is a lifting
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Speaker 8: of the lifetime cap. So at the moment, seventy five
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Speaker 8: thousand dollars a bit over that roughly is the most
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Speaker 8: anyone will ever pay for their residential age care. That
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Speaker 8: cap is going to rise, so as a result, the
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Speaker 8: ballpark figure that's being speculated is around one hundred and
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Speaker 8: ninety thousand dollars the new cap, so that'd be a
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Speaker 8: more than doubling of the current cap. Where it lands
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Speaker 8: we'll see tomorrow, still a topic of negotiation, but as
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Speaker 8: you say, Peter, the bottom line is we're living longer,
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Speaker 8: more people need money for care services, and they're going
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Speaker 8: to end up paying more for it as a result.
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Speaker 2: I think the perverse disincentive here there can go will
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Speaker 2: be to force people to restructure their affairs before they retire,
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Speaker 2: to spend everything they can in order to get the pension,
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Speaker 2: because the pension will mean they can afford or.
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Speaker 3: Age care services. We'll have a look at the detail tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: As I said, all right, Caroln, I think you've got
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Speaker 2: some exclusive news for us on a likely lawsuit set
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Speaker 2: to rock the New South Wales Liberals.
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Speaker 3: Is that right, yeah, Peter.
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Speaker 9: So, as you will be aware, the New South Wales
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Speaker 9: Liberals have abandoned their own plans to take an illegal
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Speaker 9: action against the Electoral Commission. But it seems that a
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Speaker 9: potential lawsuit, a class action against the Liberal Party head office,
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Speaker 9: may still go ahead and maybe quite likely. The one
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Speaker 9: hundred and forty candidates who missed out on nominating for
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Speaker 9: the local government elections next month here in New South Wales,
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Speaker 9: they're being canvassed by a prominent citing lawyer, George Newhouse,
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Speaker 9: who sent an email today telling them that after consulting
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Speaker 9: with two senior barristers, it would appear that this lawsuit
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Speaker 9: would have reasonable prospects of success. Now apparently those prospects
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Speaker 9: are particularly high, he tells me, in terms of briefa
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Speaker 9: of contract and possibly in negligence as well.
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Speaker 3: He says he's been in.
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Speaker 9: Contact with a number of younger candidates, but is really
21:07
Speaker 9: looking for an elder statesman from the party to join
21:10
Speaker 9: and be the lead plaintiff in this lawsuit. Now, what
21:14
Speaker 9: might make it difficult and getting this lawsuit actually off
21:17
Speaker 9: the ground is that this would be a career ending
21:19
Speaker 9: move for anyone who really would like to stay within
21:23
Speaker 9: the Liberal Party even after everything that's happened to them.
21:27
Speaker 9: But certainly there is a lot of anger and grief
21:29
Speaker 9: from these candidates after this just ginormous stuff up, so
21:35
Speaker 9: it could well go ahead and apparently it has some
21:38
Speaker 9: pretty good chances.
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Speaker 3: If it does call then Camp thank you.
21:43
Speaker 2: But I want to return out of that extraordinary press
21:46
Speaker 2: conference today from the tials, which followed on from comments
21:49
Speaker 2: in the Guardian accusing the Coalition of misogyny.
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Speaker 4: Professional behavior involves being respectful of the person that you
21:58
Speaker 4: stand next to. It involves listening, not to shut that
22:03
Speaker 4: person down, but listening in a way that is actually
22:06
Speaker 4: geared towards understanding what that person is trying to share
22:10
Speaker 4: with you. And professional behavior involves being prepared to work
22:14
Speaker 4: with your colleagues, regardless of what point of view they
22:17
Speaker 4: may be taking on.
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Speaker 3: An issue, to be able to come to a point
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Speaker 3: of consensus.
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Speaker 2: Sanctominy and hypocrisy, I have to say, because it was
22:27
Speaker 2: only last week Zari Stagger, one of the teals, was
22:30
Speaker 2: happy to name called others labeling Peter Dudden a racist.
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Speaker 1: Stop being leader of the opposition. Yes or no? Do
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Speaker 1: you think Peter Duttan's a racist?
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Speaker 12: I think he is condining racist politics.
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Speaker 13: So do you think he's a racist?
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Speaker 3: By association?
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Speaker 7: Yes?
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Speaker 2: Right to respond to all of this, I'm joining out
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Speaker 2: by the Deputy Leader of the Liberal Party, Susan Lee.
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Speaker 3: Susan, thank you.
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Speaker 2: I wanted to speak to you tonight because you are
22:54
Speaker 2: the most senior woman in politics in the House of
22:57
Speaker 2: Reps on the Labour side their leader and the deputy
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Speaker 2: leader of men, the Greens leader at the bottom of
23:02
Speaker 2: the horse shoe.
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Speaker 3: Well, he's a bloke as well.
23:04
Speaker 2: Your best place to give us your view on these
23:06
Speaker 2: allegations from the tears. I mean, how is it okay
23:09
Speaker 2: to call a bloke a racist but a robust.
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Speaker 3: Chamber is somehow an attack on women.
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Speaker 5: Well, Peter, thank you, and standards cut both ways. Just
23:21
Speaker 5: because you're a teal doesn't mean you can say what
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Speaker 5: you want and what you've illustrated. There is Zalie Steggle
23:28
Speaker 5: unleashing horrible personal invective, unacceptable personal attacks on Peter Dutton
23:35
Speaker 5: and refusing to withdraw them, probably not even being asked to,
23:39
Speaker 5: but then repeating them several times outside the chamber. I mean,
23:43
Speaker 5: just imagine if somebody came into your workplace and shouted
23:48
Speaker 5: at the top of their voice that somebody was a
23:50
Speaker 5: racist and then repeated it over and over again, And
23:54
Speaker 5: you know, is that in any way professional or acceptable
23:57
Speaker 5: it's not. Peter Dutton is a decent man who cares
24:01
Speaker 5: deeply for our country and its diversity, and I just,
24:06
Speaker 5: you know, I shake my head in bewilderment when I
24:09
Speaker 5: saw that press conference, and as you correctly identified, the
24:13
Speaker 5: Teals do seem to come together and speak as one
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Speaker 5: rather often.
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Speaker 2: Does this feel like an attempt to sort of reheat
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Speaker 2: all that Scott Morrison controversy heading into another federal election.
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Speaker 5: It just feels like this group of individuals wants to
24:32
Speaker 5: turn the attack, for whatever reason, on us and not
24:36
Speaker 5: where it needs to be, which is across the Parliament
24:39
Speaker 5: as genuinely independent representatives for their community without fear or favor.
24:45
Speaker 5: That's not what I see. And the point is that
24:48
Speaker 5: none of the other Teals has called out Zarly Staggle
24:51
Speaker 5: for her remarks. You've just shown a clip from Kylie
24:55
Speaker 5: Tink and everybody stood there. Everybody backed this in and
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Speaker 5: it totally unacceptable to call somebody this sort of slander
25:04
Speaker 5: within the Parliament and then pretend that it's all okay
25:08
Speaker 5: and that you seek.
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Speaker 3: A higher standard.
25:11
Speaker 5: Because we know it's a robust chamber and as I
25:14
Speaker 5: said earlier today, we do get passionate.
25:16
Speaker 3: We do get worked up.
25:17
Speaker 5: But when that happens, we're bringing the care and the
25:20
Speaker 5: concerns of the people that we meet every day on
25:22
Speaker 5: the street. And sometimes it's the sheer frustration at a
25:25
Speaker 5: Prime minister who just is so slippery with the truth,
25:28
Speaker 5: can't answer basic questions and fobs off any attempt to
25:32
Speaker 5: actually be accountable.
25:35
Speaker 2: Okay, wasn't that long ago that you copped this spray
25:38
Speaker 2: from Anthony Albanezi.
25:39
Speaker 3: Let's have a listen, sing you.
25:44
Speaker 2: This is the only way to get a member of
25:47
Speaker 2: the balarav Snash on a point of order.
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Speaker 8: Slash on a point of order, Slash on a.
25:52
Speaker 3: Point of order.
25:55
Speaker 2: Smasher, He said, I mean, did others leap to your defense?
25:59
Speaker 3: Then? Did you get an apology from miss alboin easy?
26:03
Speaker 3: I didn't get a public one.
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Speaker 5: There was quite a lot of pressure on him, and
26:08
Speaker 5: I think that was appropriate at the time. But as
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Speaker 5: we often say in here, Peter, we don't really mind
26:14
Speaker 5: what happens to us. We're here for the Australian people.
26:15
Speaker 5: We're here to fight for them. We're here to fight
26:18
Speaker 5: for the women in workplaces who don't have a loud voice,
26:21
Speaker 5: don't have agency, the people in the real world the people.
26:25
Speaker 5: I sometimes wonder if the Teals actually understand what their
26:28
Speaker 5: lives are like at all, Because what we want to
26:32
Speaker 5: see is better public policy come out of this place.
26:36
Speaker 5: Holding the government to account is our job. We make
26:38
Speaker 5: no apology for doing that, and doing it ferociously when
26:41
Speaker 5: we need to. I just don't see that coming from
26:43
Speaker 5: any of the Teals any of the time.
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Speaker 2: Susan Lee, thank you for your time. All right after
26:50
Speaker 2: the break, Why labors Palestine visas debarcle points to a
26:53
Speaker 2: much deeper problem when it comes to national security. Plus
26:57
Speaker 2: all the latest from day two the Democratic National can
27:00
Speaker 2: mention as they actually try to put the device in
27:02
Speaker 2: anti Israel protests on Donald Trump.
27:09
Speaker 3: Welcome Back, still the car.
27:10
Speaker 2: More questions emerge about the Aboriginal Corporation the triggered Tanya
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Speaker 2: Plevers's decision to block a billion dollar gold mine project.
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Speaker 2: But first as the government ties itself in k nots
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Speaker 2: trying to justify dolling out thousands of visas to people
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Speaker 2: coming from Gaza yesterday. Greg Sheridan put this into context,
27:29
Speaker 2: says it catalogued Labour's national security ineptitude on a broader scale,
27:34
Speaker 2: like the litany of defense reviews we've now had with
27:37
Speaker 2: no tangible outcomes. This is a government, said Sheridan, the
27:41
Speaker 2: likes to quote hide behind bureaucracy to avoid hard political decisions,
27:47
Speaker 2: joined me out to discuss this. Foreign editor at The
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Speaker 2: Australian Greg Sheridan, Greg as always, I mean, you hit
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Speaker 2: the nail on the head. They say this is all
27:56
Speaker 2: standard process, that it's been done before, but we've never
27:58
Speaker 2: given visas out life this type of visa in this number,
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Speaker 2: with one or two hours worth of checking for people
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Speaker 2: coming out of a terror controlled zone.
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Speaker 3: What's worse, I.
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Speaker 2: Have to say, is the lack of candor in all
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Speaker 2: of this when we only know about it because pennywe
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Speaker 2: was pressed on it last year in a press conference
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Speaker 2: and I wonder if the journalist from the ABSC hadn't
28:22
Speaker 2: picked it up, would we even know this was happening.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, Peter, I think you're absolutely right. I mean, this
28:29
Speaker 12: has turned out to be a shocking government on national security,
28:32
Speaker 12: both in substance and in process. It's given us nothing
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Speaker 12: on defense. The defense force is much weaker than it
28:38
Speaker 12: was when they took office. We lost our last two
28:42
Speaker 12: commercial international cargo ships, so we've got no supply chain
28:47
Speaker 12: security whatsoever. And this whole visa in broglio is just
28:51
Speaker 12: indecipherable and bizarre. So we've given out many more visas
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Speaker 12: than any other Five eyes country. Now one caveat, I'd
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Speaker 12: like to make any Palestinian who has come here under
29:02
Speaker 12: rules set by the Australian government is welcome. They're our friend.
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Speaker 12: They're here now. They didn't do anything wrong, they came
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Speaker 12: under the rules. God bless them. But we're entitled to
29:12
Speaker 12: have a discussion about the future. Now, if the government
29:15
Speaker 12: decided that it was going to take a disproportionately large
29:19
Speaker 12: number of people from Gaza compared to any other country
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Speaker 12: that we like to compare ourselves to, and we were
29:27
Speaker 12: going to bizarrely take them under visitor visas sometimes issued
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Speaker 12: in one hour, which cannot possibly mean proper checks, it
29:36
Speaker 12: should have made this decision public, taken the nation into
29:40
Speaker 12: its confidence, and explained what it was doing, instead of
29:44
Speaker 12: which all of the information has had to be drawn
29:47
Speaker 12: out of it, like extracting teeth from a reluctant kid
29:50
Speaker 12: at a patient at a dentist surgery, and then it's
29:53
Speaker 12: complained about us making any inquiries or having any concerns
29:56
Speaker 12: about it.
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Speaker 2: And allowing the accusations to fly that somehow you're a
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Speaker 2: racist for raising what I think are legitimate security concerns.
30:07
Speaker 2: I have to go to those comments, and you raise
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Speaker 2: them in your article from Mike Burgess where he says
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Speaker 2: it basically, if you're a supporter of Hummas, so not
30:16
Speaker 2: necessarily a terror actor. But if you're a supporter of Hummas,
30:21
Speaker 2: as far as he's concerned, that's not necessarily a deal breaker. Now,
30:25
Speaker 2: come on, we would have tried to deport someone in
30:28
Speaker 2: the past if they said they support al Qaeder, if
30:30
Speaker 2: they said they supported Islamic state. How the heck are
30:35
Speaker 2: we changing our view on this?
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Speaker 12: Yeah, Peter, this is an indecipherable comment and the government
30:44
Speaker 12: has to explain it. The government has to explain it.
30:47
Speaker 12: The responsible minister for RASIO is the Attorney General, so
30:49
Speaker 12: Mark Drafus has to tell us what level of support
30:52
Speaker 12: for Hamas is acceptable for the government. I've got Mike
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Speaker 12: Burgess's transcript here. Now I've often said on this program
31:00
Speaker 12: I have the greatest admiration for Mike Burgess. He's led
31:02
Speaker 12: ASIO effectively. He's a tireless public servant, He's a dedicated
31:05
Speaker 12: upholder of national security. I can only think that he misspoke. However,
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Speaker 12: this misspeaking can't be allowed to stand, so Spears asks
31:14
Speaker 12: him if people have expressed any support or sympathy for Hammas,
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Speaker 12: is that a problem? It doesn't give us straightforward answer.
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Speaker 12: Spears a follow up question. But if it's just rhetorical support,
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Speaker 12: According to the transcript, Burgess says, it's just rhetorical support,
31:28
Speaker 12: and they don't have an ideology or support for a
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Speaker 12: violent extremism as an ideology, then that's not a problem.
31:35
Speaker 12: Rhetorical support for Hummas is not a problem at the
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Speaker 12: core of Hummas's identity. It's rhetoric, it's global vision. Its
31:44
Speaker 12: outlook is profound, vicious, hateful anti Semitism. Burgess's comments have
31:51
Speaker 12: distressed the Jewish community. They are utterly confusing. People right
31:55
Speaker 12: across the political spectrum have no idea what he means.
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Speaker 12: Former senior a Cabinet minister like Stephen Conroy calls it
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Speaker 12: out as a clear mistake, and now the government is
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Speaker 12: running and hiding. Now Burgess, as Asier Director General, is
32:10
Speaker 12: not really in a position to issue a clarification of
32:12
Speaker 12: his own profoundly confusing statement. But the Attorney General or
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Speaker 12: the Prime ministers simply.
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Speaker 4: Have to do this.
32:21
Speaker 12: They have to say either the DG of Asia misspoke
32:24
Speaker 12: or when we said rhetorical support, we meant nothing more
32:27
Speaker 12: than calling for a Palestinian homeland or something like that.
32:31
Speaker 12: But they've got to give us some guidance on it now.
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Speaker 3: There is no state regrant in our history.
32:39
Speaker 2: I just want to jump in there though. The other
32:41
Speaker 2: option in all of these could be that he was
32:44
Speaker 2: reflecting government policy. I mean, has he been in the
32:47
Speaker 2: room with the Prime Minister or ministers who say, look,
32:52
Speaker 2: you know, Mike, we don't expect if there's just rhetorical
32:54
Speaker 2: support for Hamas that that should knock someone out. I mean,
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Speaker 2: is he expressing there with David Spears what he believes
33:02
Speaker 2: government policies. Is that why they're not addressing this head on?
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Speaker 12: Well, that's possible. But if that's the case, they've got
33:09
Speaker 12: to tell us that too. If they have that as
33:11
Speaker 12: a government policy, they've got to tell us. As far
33:13
Speaker 12: as I'm aware, and I'd love anybody to show me
33:17
Speaker 12: that this is wrong, in the entire history of Australia,
33:21
Speaker 12: there has never been a statement from a government minister
33:25
Speaker 12: or a senior government official saying rhetorical support for a
33:30
Speaker 12: terrorist outfit, so long as you don't have the ideology
33:33
Speaker 12: of violent extremism is okay. For someone seeking to come
33:37
Speaker 12: to Australia on a visa, which will mean permanent residency,
33:41
Speaker 12: that doesn't mean they're a terrorist, of course, but it
33:43
Speaker 12: means they support the worldview of that terrorist organization. That's
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Speaker 12: what it means. Definitionally, rhetorical support for Hummas must mean
33:53
Speaker 12: rhetorical support for the Hummas view of the world. Now,
33:58
Speaker 12: you know, if that is the government's policy, I don't
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Speaker 12: believe it would be, and I don't think if that
34:04
Speaker 12: was a government's policy. I think a smart public servant
34:06
Speaker 12: would simply avoid answering the question because you'd leave it
34:10
Speaker 12: up to the government to answer it. One lesson out
34:12
Speaker 12: of all this is it's stupid to get a political
34:15
Speaker 12: officials to do political interviews on chat shows. They have
34:20
Speaker 12: to be very precise with their language. They can't make
34:24
Speaker 12: mistakes like this. By believing that this is a mistake
34:28
Speaker 12: by Burgess, I'm giving the charitable interpretation because I just
34:33
Speaker 12: cannot believe that Australia has a policy which is that
34:37
Speaker 12: rhetorical support for a terrorist organization. So rhetorical support for
34:41
Speaker 12: Al Qaeda or rhetorical support for Islamic state, or even
34:44
Speaker 12: rhetorical support for the Ku Klux Klan shouldn't be a
34:48
Speaker 12: deal breaker if you're seeking a visa to come to Australia.
34:51
Speaker 12: I just can't believe that that is the case. And
34:54
Speaker 12: the government is leaving Asio out to dry, damaging Asio's
34:58
Speaker 12: reputation every sea day, and also causing concern amongst Australian citizens,
35:04
Speaker 12: and also leading to a most unfortunate and no doubt
35:08
Speaker 12: baseless inference that perhaps some people who've come here are
35:12
Speaker 12: Humas supporters. Because it won't clarify this and the government
35:16
Speaker 12: has to own this decision and tell us what its
35:20
Speaker 12: policy is.
35:23
Speaker 2: All right, just quickly, we'll go to Chicago Democratic Convention,
35:27
Speaker 2: Day two. Michelle Obama, a former president at Barack Obama.
35:31
Speaker 3: Both took the stage.
35:33
Speaker 2: Give us your sense, I mean, the former president went
35:36
Speaker 2: very hard on Donald Trump. His wife sort of sold
35:40
Speaker 2: us in Kamala Harris and her backstory. Give us your
35:43
Speaker 2: sense of how this is panning out for the Democrats.
35:48
Speaker 12: I think it's pretty good conference for the Democrats. They're
35:51
Speaker 12: running it very professionally. They're very united. You know, all
35:54
Speaker 12: their former presidents are there. The Republicans can't get George W.
35:57
Speaker 12: Bush in the same room with Donald Trump or Mike
35:59
Speaker 12: Penzi vice presidential. He's vice president when he was in office.
36:05
Speaker 12: It's quite a dishonest conference because they're pretending that Joe
36:09
Speaker 12: Biden's record doesn't exist. Kamala Harris is going to run
36:12
Speaker 12: against inflation, whereas Joe Biden caused the inflation. She's going
36:15
Speaker 12: to fix the border, whereas Joe Biden caused the border
36:18
Speaker 12: problem and she was part of that administration. Obama is
36:23
Speaker 12: so infinitely superior a performer to Kamala Harris or Joe Biden.
36:29
Speaker 12: That was a masterful performance by him today. Somewhat dishonest because,
36:33
Speaker 12: for example, the crowd went to boo Trump and he said,
36:36
Speaker 12: don't boo. Now, that's a good thing. He's a very
36:38
Speaker 12: courtly gentleman, and that's a good thing. But of course
36:41
Speaker 12: the Democrats are not playing by the rules. They've weaponized
36:44
Speaker 12: political prosecutions against Trump. They've really subverted the American political
36:49
Speaker 12: system for the American legal system for political ends. They
36:53
Speaker 12: play just as hard ball as Trump, but they're presenting
36:57
Speaker 12: themselves as more civil and I think it's been reasonably effective.
37:03
Speaker 12: Probably too many liberals. But on the other hand, they
37:07
Speaker 12: dialed Hollywood down a bit. They had a little bit
37:10
Speaker 12: more mention of God and a few denunciations of anti Semitism.
37:14
Speaker 12: I think actually it helps them to have a few
37:16
Speaker 12: anti Israel demonstrators outside. You know, it used to help
37:20
Speaker 12: Bob Hawk to have left wing demonstrators that he was against.
37:24
Speaker 12: I think Kamala Harras is going to be a terrible
37:26
Speaker 12: president if she is elected, she'll be the most left
37:28
Speaker 12: wing president probably in American history. But I think this
37:31
Speaker 12: convention has been well managed, and Obama is just so
37:35
Speaker 12: much better at this sort of rhetoric than anyone else
37:38
Speaker 12: on the American stage today. The Republicans are lucky they're
37:42
Speaker 12: not running against Obama. And if they can't beat the
37:44
Speaker 12: likes of Kamala Harris, that says a lot about them.
37:49
Speaker 2: Two days ago, Greg, we'll see what happens before then,
37:52
Speaker 2: anythink ituld happen wild and crazy over there.
37:54
Speaker 3: At the moment. Thank you for your time, all right,
37:56
Speaker 3: after break?
37:57
Speaker 2: Why nothing about Tanya ple The Sex's decision to block
38:00
Speaker 2: a billion dollar gold mine stacks up with the disturbing
38:04
Speaker 2: information coming to light about the Aboriginal Corporation that influenced
38:08
Speaker 2: her move, plus the council putting out pamphlets with every
38:12
Speaker 2: flag under the sun except our national one.
38:15
Speaker 3: More in that suit.
38:19
Speaker 2: Welcome back, Kel Richard's coming up as we always But
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Speaker 2: first my panel Shadow Environment Minister Jonathan Dunham, Senior Fellow
38:26
Speaker 2: at the Menzies Research Center, Nick Cata Gens, I want
38:30
Speaker 2: to start with an update on time your plever sex
38:32
Speaker 2: decision to block the one billion dollar Regius gold mine,
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Speaker 2: with revelations today that a dissident Aboriginal corporation just eighteen
38:40
Speaker 2: registered members, played a key role in the minister's decision.
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Speaker 3: Now we know the nuts and bolts of that decision,
38:46
Speaker 3: she's decided to keep secret.
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Speaker 2: Setator Price has slam the move is utterly disgraceful and
38:52
Speaker 2: pointed out that the orange Land Council, so that's the
38:55
Speaker 2: local Indigenous authority, hasn't raised any concerns at all with
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Speaker 2: the project. So concerned the coalition about this decision, they're
39:04
Speaker 2: trying to move a disallowance motion in the Senate to
39:06
Speaker 2: kill it off. Well, John O, that's where you are
39:09
Speaker 2: in your day job. What do we know about this
39:11
Speaker 2: dissident group. Give us a sense of where you're up
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Speaker 2: to with this motion.
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Speaker 14: Yes, so this dissident group eighteen people of which we
39:20
Speaker 14: don't know anything on the official web page about the group.
39:24
Speaker 14: I understand that in some cases only Christian names are outlined.
39:29
Speaker 14: We don't know where the complaints have been raised about
39:31
Speaker 14: this group. We asked about that in the Senate today
39:33
Speaker 14: and guess what the Minister couldn't and didn't answer questions
39:36
Speaker 14: about it. We know that they're aided by everyone's friends
39:39
Speaker 14: at the taxpayer funded Environmental Defender's Office, and of course
39:43
Speaker 14: we also know that they have a track record of
39:46
Speaker 14: fabricating evidence and coaching witnesses. So all we do know
39:51
Speaker 14: is that the Minister A that funds the IDEO and
39:53
Speaker 14: B who ticked off on the environmental approvals, has now
39:56
Speaker 14: used this eleventh hour move to kill off this billion
39:58
Speaker 14: dollar project, has got her priorities wrong. And I'm quietly
40:02
Speaker 14: confident we might get this disallowance up because it is
40:04
Speaker 14: the right thing for Australia and anyone who votes against
40:07
Speaker 14: us doesn't have their priorities right.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is eight hundred jobs when they export
40:15
Speaker 2: the goal, that's money to the bottom line to pay
40:17
Speaker 2: for all the things like the NDIS and new defense
40:21
Speaker 2: ships that we want and need. I mean, if this
40:23
Speaker 2: goes down after it had all the approvals, all the
40:26
Speaker 2: ducks lined up, who the heck's going to want to
40:29
Speaker 2: invest in Australia anyway?
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Speaker 1: Well, exactly, Peter. I mean, there's plenty of other places
40:35
Speaker 1: around the world where you can go in gold and
40:37
Speaker 1: indeed iron or uranium for that matter. People come here
40:41
Speaker 1: because we usually have a stable political context and you know,
40:45
Speaker 1: laws don't change between governments, you don't get irrational and
40:49
Speaker 1: decisions like the one we've just had, and they come
40:52
Speaker 1: here because we do it cheaply and easily. Now we're
40:54
Speaker 1: making it really really hard. So inevitably this will mean
40:58
Speaker 1: that Australia will lose mining to other countries, lose the
41:03
Speaker 1: mining royalties most importantly, because as you know, we know
41:06
Speaker 1: once a mine is approved and it's producing royalties, it's
41:09
Speaker 1: benefiting Australians for generations to come. So it's an appalling
41:14
Speaker 1: decision and the way this has been made and the
41:15
Speaker 1: fact that there seems to be sort of Aboriginal Land
41:18
Speaker 1: Council shopping going on, that's the I I'd like to see,
41:21
Speaker 1: But I'd like to know that's not the case, which
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Speaker 1: I'd like to see that opened up because it needs
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Speaker 1: to be totally transparent and just enter Price is somebody
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Speaker 1: who obviously her suspicions are raised. We've got to get
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Speaker 1: to the bottom of this one.
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Speaker 3: John.
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Speaker 2: Yesterday and I've spoken about this at the top of
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Speaker 2: the show, there was a motion in the Senate to
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Speaker 2: ensure that baby is born alive after a fouled abortion
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Speaker 2: received medical care. It was voted down in the Senate. Now,
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Speaker 2: this was not emotion about abortion, It was not about
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Speaker 2: women's reproductive rights. It was an attempt to ensure that
41:56
Speaker 2: we have national laws. It's not the case in every
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Speaker 2: state that this happened, but it was an attempt to
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Speaker 2: ensure we would have a national law that says a
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Speaker 2: baby born alive after an attempted abortion would get the
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Speaker 2: care that every one of us get as a basic
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Speaker 2: human right. Now, Labour in the Greens oppose the motion.
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Speaker 2: They voted against it, as did four of your colleagues,
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Speaker 2: Senators Birmingham Bragg, Jane Hume and Ria Covid. Check you
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Speaker 2: voted for it, though you vote to support the motion,
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Speaker 2: explain why.
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Speaker 14: Well, Firstly, I believe life is a gift from God
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Speaker 14: and to take that away from someone else is frankly
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Speaker 14: a sin. But as you rightly point out, this was
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Speaker 14: not about reproductive health, this motion, it wasn't about denying
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Speaker 14: women the right to a medical or surgical abortion. And
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Speaker 14: to sit there and listen to the speeches from those
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Speaker 14: who contributed to it, the heartrending stories of children who
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Speaker 14: after a failed abortion are literally left in a petri
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Speaker 14: dish or a kidney dish, or on a stainless steel
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Speaker 14: table in a back room of a hospital to die alone.
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Speaker 14: No love. That is not something I could ever bring
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Speaker 14: myself to condone and allowed to continue. And to hear
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Speaker 14: Labor and Green senators shouting words like disgusting every time
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Speaker 14: someone would raise one of these concerns. Sorry to allow
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Speaker 14: this to happen in a modern world, where as you say,
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Speaker 14: if you were sick requiring medical care, you'd get it.
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Speaker 14: These babies are born alive and should be protected and
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Speaker 14: afforded care. That's what decent human beings would offer in
43:38
Speaker 14: that situation. I can't believe it is not the law
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Speaker 14: that that must happen.
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Speaker 3: I hope you keep pursuing it.
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Speaker 2: On my phone is lit up like a Christmas tree,
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Speaker 2: and now a lot of strains didn't actually know that
43:50
Speaker 2: was going on.
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Speaker 3: Nick, are you.
43:52
Speaker 2: Concerned about reports at Facebook's being censoring political content? This
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Speaker 2: is prone nuclear content. It's been removed, we're told because
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Speaker 2: it's been quote misleading supporters for Nuclear for Australia.
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Speaker 3: They've reached out of the lobby group. They said stuff
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Speaker 3: that we.
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Speaker 2: Wanted to send around a supporting nuclear power has been
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Speaker 2: taken down. Meta says all, No, you know, there's no
44:16
Speaker 2: censorship here.
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Speaker 3: It was a technical error.
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Speaker 2: Come on, we had plenty of technical errors hit the
44:22
Speaker 2: No campaign in the Voice, not many that hit the
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Speaker 2: Yes campaign.
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Speaker 3: We don't believe this, furfy.
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Speaker 1: Do we I don't believe it for one. And second, Peter,
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Speaker 1: because they've got form on this. As you point out,
44:33
Speaker 1: they did exactly the same with the Voice. You know,
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Speaker 1: they decided that just Enter Price should not have a
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Speaker 1: voice on Facebook. Seemed rather contradictory. But this is alarming.
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Speaker 1: I mean, thankfully fewer and fewer Australians I believe are
44:45
Speaker 1: going to Facebook for news and any sort of comment
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Speaker 1: like that, because it's unreliable. But this from a company,
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Speaker 1: of course, which is based in Silicon Valley, which doesn't
44:53
Speaker 1: pay taxes here as far as I know, or not much,
44:56
Speaker 1: and doesn't even pay for the news. It steals basically
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Speaker 1: from companies like News Corp and Fairfax and the other ones,
45:04
Speaker 1: and they have the cheap too want to buy into
45:07
Speaker 1: our political debates. I think it's outrageous and I think
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Speaker 1: they should be shown. The best thing to do here
45:14
Speaker 1: is to point out for people what's going on so
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Speaker 1: that people will realize that they can't trust what's happening
45:18
Speaker 1: on Facebook. It's a very poor source of news. Go
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Speaker 1: somewhere reliable, but like this channel for instance.
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Speaker 2: Now no surprises here. My sister and my brother in
45:30
Speaker 2: LAWA have got a big dairy farm.
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Speaker 3: They're on the land.
45:32
Speaker 2: But farmers across the country according to a new survey
45:35
Speaker 2: from the NFF so that seventy percent of them believe
45:39
Speaker 2: labors harming the industry. Their top concerns are bio security,
45:44
Speaker 2: climate change policies, and live sheep export bands. But what
45:49
Speaker 2: about the fallout today from a really poor joke that
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister made last night at a regional women's
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Speaker 2: awards dinner in Canberra.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 11: Then we had in a beautiful Australian beef, not the
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Speaker 11: live expert we've made sure.
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Speaker 6: It was dead.
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Speaker 3: I'm told that it went down like a lead balloon. JOHNO.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, that's the feedback of us seed too. But I
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Speaker 14: mean to make a joke off the back of having
46:21
Speaker 14: ended the livelihoods of scores of farmers and businesses with
46:26
Speaker 14: the live sheep trade. To then make a joke of
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Speaker 14: that nature when there is a high degree of anxiety,
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Speaker 14: as you've already pointed out amongst the agricultural communities, it
46:37
Speaker 14: just proves how tone def this man is out of touch.
46:40
Speaker 14: He is. He gets paid every fortnight now, no matter
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Speaker 14: how much he runs this country into the ground. And
46:44
Speaker 14: to stand up there in black tie joke about the
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Speaker 14: future of this industry in that way proves he's not
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Speaker 14: fit to govern this country. And farmers know it, and
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Speaker 14: they've not got a friend in him, so you'd expect
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Speaker 14: better from him. But sadly we're proven wrong again.
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Speaker 2: Yes, seventy percent is a pretty comprehensive pole. I have
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Speaker 2: to say, thank you, gentlemen. We'll get your home one day.
47:06
Speaker 3: Nick Katie.
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Speaker 2: You seem to have been away a long time. You'll
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Speaker 2: have plenty of stuff to tell us when you get
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Speaker 2: back or after break. Kel Richards in a moment without
47:18
Speaker 2: feather Ado, let's welcome him in Kel Richards, this is
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Speaker 2: a word that's a bit topical after Zali Stegel's interjections
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Speaker 2: in the chamber the other day.
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Speaker 3: Racism.
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Speaker 2: This is from Leon, who says the meaning of the
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Speaker 2: word racism's being corrupted.
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Speaker 3: He claims.
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Speaker 2: He says it means biological determinism.
47:36
Speaker 3: It appears.
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Speaker 2: He says that many people use it wrongly instead of
47:39
Speaker 2: perhaps the word xenophobia.
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Speaker 13: Is he right, Kel, I could see what he's saying. No,
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Speaker 13: I don't think he is right racism. This is interesting
47:48
Speaker 13: if you look at the big American dictionary, the Merriam
47:51
Speaker 13: Webster Third International, which I have on my shelves, is
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Speaker 13: massive volume, which says that in fact, they say racism
47:58
Speaker 13: means believing that your psychological and cultural characteristics are determined
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Speaker 13: by your race, and that every race is different. That's
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Speaker 13: what they say. Racism is. Xenophobia, of course, is fear
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Speaker 13: of strangers from the Greek word xenos for strangers, so
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Speaker 13: fear of foreigners. And Leon is saying, look, what we
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Speaker 13: call in racism is actually xenophobia, fear of what is different.
48:19
Speaker 13: I actually think he's mistaken in that racism is what
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Speaker 13: underlies that. If that exists, the belief that races are
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Speaker 13: different is the really evil belief. That's what I'm trying
48:30
Speaker 13: to say in my own stumbling way, the belief that
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Speaker 13: races are different and unlike each other, that's the real problem.
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Speaker 13: It's the inability to see human human beings as human beings,
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Speaker 13: as humanity. So racism is deeper than xenophobia, and it
48:45
Speaker 13: is a more serious problem. And that's why that charge
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Speaker 13: in the Parliament was such a serious charge.
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Speaker 2: Now I didn't even know about this word tackatopia. I
48:57
Speaker 2: hope I'm saying it right. Helen wants to know what's
48:59
Speaker 2: the meaning of cacatopia.
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Speaker 13: Oh, it's a lovely word. It's a spin on utopia,
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Speaker 13: the word coined by Thomas Moore for his book of
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Speaker 13: that name in fifteen sixteen, which he took from a
49:10
Speaker 13: Greek source meaning you know, the best place, the perfect place.
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Speaker 13: So what's the opposite? These days we say a dystopia
49:17
Speaker 13: is the opposite to a utopia, but that's only been
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Speaker 13: around since the nineteen fifties. Cackatopia goes back to the
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Speaker 13: eighteen eighties and it comes from the Greek word kacos
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Speaker 13: meaning bad. And the viewer who wrote to me about
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Speaker 13: this said, Kel, are we living in a cacatopia? And
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Speaker 13: my answer was, you'll have to decide.
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Speaker 3: Depends what state you're in. I think I am in Victoria.
49:39
Speaker 2: Biometric testing we've talked about a lot this week. I
49:43
Speaker 2: know what it is, but Stewart wants to know exactly
49:45
Speaker 2: what do we mean by the term.
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Speaker 13: Okay, it's older than I would have thought nineteen oh two,
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Speaker 13: and it means using test like fingerprints, DNA, blood tests
49:55
Speaker 13: and so on to see if you really are who
49:57
Speaker 13: you say you are. But it's been done, as I
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Speaker 13: say Snyder O two, using physical measurements to determine if
50:03
Speaker 13: people are who they claim to be, and it comes
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Speaker 13: obviously from by your life and metric meaning measurement. So
50:09
Speaker 13: biometric testing is nothing new and it's a really good
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Speaker 13: idea when people make claims about who they are.
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Speaker 2: Now, look, if you've left Australia with a new passport
50:19
Speaker 2: and you've scanned your face as you're left through the
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Speaker 2: little glass gates, you have been biometrically.
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Speaker 3: Testing exactly exactly who you are in the passport. Kel,
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Speaker 3: thank you, see you next week. That's it for me.
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Speaker 3: Tomorrow night, at six, he's antiboult