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157. [Alabama] Frank Hilley · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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Speaker 1: here's to says to hey, all right, this week we're
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Speaker 2: Alabama.
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Speaker 1: Haven't been there in a while. This one's a crazy one.
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Speaker 1: do we have anything else? We just did We just
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Speaker 2: Everything was that on there.
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Speaker 1: No, we're completely tapped out on chat chit chat is
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Speaker 1: the problem.
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Speaker 2: The problem is that we have become one person where
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Speaker 2: we kind of say the same thing, what.
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Speaker 1: Are you talking about? I definitely, most definitely do not
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Speaker 1: see the same things as you.
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Speaker 2: There are we told we told our son today at
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Speaker 2: the same time, the same exact thing that he couldn't
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Speaker 2: because he was whenever he hit his sister. We said,
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Speaker 2: you can't do that because and we both said the
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Speaker 2: same thing phrase the exact same way at the same time.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well, we see the same thing to the children
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Speaker 1: all day long. I saw this like meme or whatever.
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Speaker 1: They said. Uh, my children are so impressive. They already
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Speaker 1: know everything I'm about to tell them today because it's
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Speaker 1: the same ship that stopped. Stop hitting your sister, don't
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Speaker 1: pull it, hurt his hair, give care, I don't care.
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Speaker 1: Go away from me. You're supposed to be outside right now. Anyways.
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Speaker 1: No more snacks anyway, So.
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Speaker 2: Eat, you eat, your taking your plate.
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Speaker 1: I'm taking your plate. I'm taking your plate so many
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Speaker 1: times because the two bigger ones well feed, Yes, it's
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Speaker 1: like a and I've been trying really hard to make
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Speaker 1: them feed themselves because I'm tired of doing it. But
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Speaker 1: the they don't care about food. It's like and they
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Speaker 1: don't even eat. I know, I just said that. They
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Speaker 1: asked for snacks. They mainly ask for fruit snacks later
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Speaker 1: in the day, but they really don't eat any food,
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Speaker 1: like they don't care about it. The baby, she cares
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Speaker 1: deeply about the food.
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Speaker 2: She she throws her snacks on the floor because she wants.
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Speaker 1: Yes, She's like, I don't want any more of this ship.
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Speaker 1: Stop trying to give me a grain bar, so.
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Speaker 2: That stop trying to give me ultra processed foods.
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Speaker 1: I want my real stuff. I Well, we gave him
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Speaker 1: eggo stew. I'm pretty sure that's ultra process.
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Speaker 2: It might be.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we probably shouldn't give him those. The rest of
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Speaker 1: the stuff is good.
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Speaker 2: Though, I mean, how ultra process can a damn waff
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Speaker 2: will be though the.
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Speaker 1: Trust trust me to do give them a could they
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Speaker 1: took simple things and made them ultra process.
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Speaker 2: Well, probably look at the ingredients and be like, oh
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Speaker 2: wow they did.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we probably need to stop feeding them anyway. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: so that's the one we do. We're like, we're gonna
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Speaker 1: take your plate.
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Speaker 2: No, so then they're taking that bullling.
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Speaker 1: Run off, Yes, and they taking them. Well, we've been
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Speaker 1: getting them better at staying at the table. Now, I'm like,
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Speaker 1: get at the table and eat.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, if it was one, it would be fine, But
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Speaker 2: one's always.
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Speaker 1: The problem is the three year old. Yeah, the four
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Speaker 1: year old, she's better at staying.
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Speaker 2: At the table, but if she leaves the table, he follows.
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Speaker 1: Yes, But and then if she he leaves the table,
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Speaker 1: she usually doesn't follow. But she's more distracted because he's
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Speaker 1: out doing something stupid run around being ridiculous. All right,
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Speaker 1: well that's enough. That's some boring shit.
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Speaker 2: So all of our multiple children are brood.
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Speaker 1: Yes, so all right, well let's go ahead and get
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Speaker 1: into this week's episode out of Alabama, and this one's
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Speaker 1: this is a crazy one. Let me tell you this
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Speaker 1: is crazy.
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Speaker 2: I was like like being married to Kara.
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Speaker 1: Shut up, Stu. So Frank Alfred Hilly born on July seventeenth,
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Speaker 1: nineteen twenty nine, told you it's it's old, what okay?
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Speaker 1: In Tuscaloosa, Alabama, Tuscaloosa. I knew you were going to
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Speaker 1: say Tuscaloosa whenever I said Tescalusa, because you always say
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Speaker 1: it would meet Audrey Marie Fraser.
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Speaker 2: It's just a fun town to say Tuscaloosa.
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Speaker 1: Who would go by Marie Fraser? I wonder if they're
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Speaker 1: related to Jamie Frazy in Scotland.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, these real people are related to a fictional character.
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Speaker 1: But there's got there's Frasiers in Scotland. I'm sure.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure they might be of Scottish descent.
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Speaker 1: Yes, in high school and was taken by her beauty
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Speaker 1: and grace doo. She was the quintessential Southern bell with
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Speaker 1: a great smile, very personable, and very put together, just
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Speaker 1: like you, baby.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 1: They would end up marrying on May eighth, nineteen fifty one,
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Speaker 1: and would settle in Aniston, Alabama, where Marie grew up.
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Speaker 2: Aniston. That's how by Talladea even got an Aniston towers
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Speaker 2: in the Talladega's Super Speedway. Okay, in case you were wondering.
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Speaker 1: I'm not. In November of nineteen fifty two, they had
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Speaker 1: their first child, a son named Michael. Now. During this time,
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Speaker 1: the Hillies continued to both work and do well at
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Speaker 1: their jobs. Marie was working as a secretary and Frank
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Speaker 1: was working as a shipping clerk. They moved to a
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Speaker 1: nicer neighborhood in Aniston and then would welcome a daughter
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Speaker 1: named Carol in nineteen sixty. The family seemed happy, and
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Speaker 1: they presented themselves really well. Marie liked the finer things
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Speaker 1: in life and would spend money quite frequently to keep
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Speaker 1: up with appearances. She was a keep up with the Joneses.
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Speaker 1: Do better than the Joneses, or at least look like
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Speaker 1: we're doing better than.
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Speaker 2: The good thing. They didn't have Amazon back in the day.
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Speaker 1: I know she would have, she she they would have
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Speaker 1: never survived her, Like, what's that klarna and after pay
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Speaker 1: would it be?
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Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, they got all those delayed payment programs.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, if you guys are doing those, stop okay
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Speaker 1: if you have to.
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Speaker 2: Do that, if you're doing it with your door dash,
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Speaker 2: oh yeah.
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Speaker 1: I've seen people be like, yeah, I had to klarna
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Speaker 1: the door dash. It's like, no, then you don't need
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Speaker 1: to go get it, okay.
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Speaker 2: Makes it go on a diet, eat some rice.
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Speaker 1: No, it's not a diet. It's like make something from
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Speaker 1: your house. Door dash has nothing to do with the
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Speaker 1: diets do They could be ordering like tofu and broccoli.
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Speaker 2: Or they could be ordering Snickers bar and ice cream.
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Speaker 1: Well, you can get those at your house like us
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Speaker 1: US fatties like.
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Speaker 2: That have ice cream Snickers bars at our house.
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Speaker 1: Yes, okay. So she had also been very interested in
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Speaker 1: material things and wanted to be seen as having it
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Speaker 1: all together now. During this time, Marie was doing well
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Speaker 1: at work, and unbeknownst to her husband, this was because
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Speaker 1: she was sleeping with her bosses for better performance reviews,
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Speaker 1: as well as sometimes taking money from them.
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Speaker 2: Mountain. How did they know this happened? I didn't catch that.
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Speaker 2: How it was known that she was actually, well, this
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Speaker 2: wasn't in the episode.
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Speaker 1: This was what I looked up further online. Okay, yes,
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Speaker 1: they just found out later on. He found out later on.
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, at this time, the reason they were
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Speaker 1: doing she was doing so well at work is because
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Speaker 1: she's been sleeping with her husband. I mean, he's sleeping
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Speaker 1: with her boss. Her husband didn't know this at the time.
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Speaker 1: Her husband is later going to find out that Marie
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Speaker 1: is a poe bag anyway, So the money issues were
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Speaker 1: causing tensions in the marriage, and no matter how hard
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Speaker 1: Frank worked, Marie would outspend his income and whatever she
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Speaker 1: was pulling in on the side.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so evidently in the break that you didn't know
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Speaker 2: that happened. Kara told me that Frank walked in.
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Speaker 1: Stuart, you're about to tell them this. It's in this paper,
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Speaker 1: So just stop. Do your part. Jesus Christ.
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Speaker 2: I swear, you swear what you swear a lot.
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Speaker 1: I swear. Dealing with you is like, I'm sitting there
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Speaker 1: telling me. He's like, how did they add And I'm like,
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Speaker 1: because he watched an episode about this, but I did
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Speaker 1: additional research online to write this episode, and so he's like, well,
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Speaker 1: how did they know that? I'm like, because I look,
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Speaker 1: you're it's it's a thing down. Why would I not
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Speaker 1: tell them that, Stewart, that's a pretty big thing. Why
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Speaker 1: would I not tell the audience that you.
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Speaker 2: Didn't tell the people about the guy burning himself with
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Speaker 2: cigarettes lat one time?
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Speaker 1: That was an accident and I forgot to uh, maybe
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Speaker 1: maybe you forgot I forgot to write it down. I
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Speaker 1: wrote it down here, just you didn't tell me. Okay,
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Speaker 1: well they're wondering what it's about to just come on.
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Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy five, Frank and Mike began.
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Speaker 1: Mike's the Sun Stewart Mike's the Sun. This was again
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Speaker 1: additional research online. I found out about the son suffering
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Speaker 1: as well.
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Speaker 2: I did not realize that because he didn't say that.
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Speaker 1: No, because they didn't cover it in the episode you watched.
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Speaker 1: But additional research online showed other ideas.
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Speaker 2: Oh, well you didn't put Michael.
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Speaker 1: That's how come I didn't know because this he went
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Speaker 1: by Mike.
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Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy five, Frive, Frank and Michael began suffering
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Speaker 2: from unknown illnesses. They could not figure out what was
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Speaker 2: going on and believed it must just be the stomach
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Speaker 2: flu or some such thing. During this time, Mike moved
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Speaker 2: away for seminary school and assistant his symptoms suddenly stopped.
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Speaker 2: Frank continued to stay sick, and doctors really did not
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Speaker 2: have an explanation for it. One morning, Frank ended up
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Speaker 2: having to go home early from work due to being ill.
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Speaker 2: When he arrived at his home, he found Marie in
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Speaker 2: bed with his boss.
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Speaker 1: This is the thing means to argued about in the break,
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Speaker 1: I said. He said, how did they know? How did
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Speaker 1: they know that? How did they know that she was
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Speaker 1: sleeping with her boss and people for money and to
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Speaker 1: get ahead? And I said, well, he later found out
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Speaker 1: she'd been cheating on him. And I said she was
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Speaker 1: sleeping with actually his boss, and then all this other stuff,
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Speaker 1: you know, begins to unravel from that, and that's when
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Speaker 1: he was about to tell you guys, and I said, well,
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Speaker 1: it's written if you just continue on. So that's what
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Speaker 1: we're continuing on. They heard all that, Okay, well this
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Speaker 1: I'm just telling him, this is what we're talking about.
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Speaker 2: Frank, not knowing what to do, confided in his son,
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Speaker 2: but he would remain in the marriage for something.
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Speaker 1: His son. At this time, I believe had graduated seminary school,
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Speaker 1: so he was a pastor, so that's why he confided him.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I understand your son's a pastor now,
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Speaker 1: but I'm not sure if I would have confided in
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Speaker 1: my own child about the mom sleeping with my boss.
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Speaker 1: So it's a weird thing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not going to call my son up and
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Speaker 2: be like, care, is this.
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Speaker 1: Oh your regular pastor, like your pastor at your church.
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Speaker 2: Yes, maybe I'll give you better, better guidance he would
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Speaker 2: have talked to into leaving her.
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Speaker 1: Well, he was also sick this whole time, so he's
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Speaker 1: down and out like he's sick.
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Speaker 2: I guess he didn't think about it. I guess if
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Speaker 2: you're you're ailing, you don't think clearly.
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Speaker 1: And you're sick, you're like, I don't give a fuck,
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Speaker 1: just go. If I don't care, leave me, I don't care.
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Speaker 1: Just whatever. He was really sick, and so he was.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it was not It sucked for him, but
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Speaker 1: it was not on the forefront of his mind because
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Speaker 1: he's physically in pain and miserable.
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Speaker 2: Shortly after he confided in the sun, he continued to
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Speaker 2: get worse and worse with his illness. Finally, doctors diagnosed
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Speaker 2: him with hepatitis. Soon after the hepatitis diagnosis, Frank would
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Speaker 2: die in the on the morning of May twenty fifth,
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Speaker 2: nineteen seventy five.
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Speaker 1: Because I do not believe there's a cure for hepatitis,
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Speaker 1: or if there wasn't, it wasn't back then. I don't
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Speaker 1: think there is.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I believe they said there was.
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Speaker 2: No cure for Well, there's A, B and C, So
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Speaker 2: I think there's cures for A and B, but maybe
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Speaker 2: not C.
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Speaker 1: B often clears upon its own. C is treated with
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Speaker 1: anti viralmedic medications.
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Speaker 2: Oh well, then I was wrong about C.
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Speaker 1: Hepatitis D. There are a few, very few treatments specifically
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Speaker 1: for heis hepatitis D, although different regimens may trot be tried.
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Speaker 1: Hepatitis A clears up on its own in one to
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Speaker 1: two months. Hepatitis E usually resolves on its own within
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Speaker 1: four to six weeks.
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Speaker 2: I did not even know why are we getting.
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Speaker 1: Vaccinations for these if they're not really that.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what can they cause? Can that cause
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Speaker 2: permanent damage? Well, the cause permanent liver damage. No.
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Speaker 1: Autoimmune hepatitis When treated early, it often can be controlled
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Speaker 1: with drugs that suppress the immune system. In rare cases,
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Speaker 1: a liver transplant may be needed, but who knows. This
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Speaker 1: was nineteen seventy five. They probably they probably didn't even
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Speaker 1: know there was different hepatitises back then.
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Speaker 2: Maybe just had hepatitis.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they probably didn't know how to treat it.
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Speaker 1: I think you're well, we're all going to find out
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Speaker 1: it wasn't fucking hepatitis. Okay, what STU?
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Speaker 2: Nothing doctor Google. I don't know. I hope this turns
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Speaker 2: out to where people think you're dumb for hepatitis stuff
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Speaker 2: like I had to suffer suffer the Valdosta Valdosta.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you mentioned it every time. It's like you want
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Speaker 1: them to keep bothering you about it.
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Speaker 2: No, I don't.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's go on.
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Speaker 2: I think it played out.
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Speaker 1: They say he has hepatitis, they say he does.
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Speaker 2: Marie agreed to an autopsy, and they found out that
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Speaker 2: his kidneys and his lungs were swollen. He also had
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Speaker 2: pneumonia and stomach inflammation. All of these symptoms pointed to
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Speaker 2: his hepatitis diagnosis, so the cause of his death was
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Speaker 2: listed as hepatitis. Knew Further testing was performed at this
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Speaker 2: point Mike had married and moved to Florida. Now see
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Speaker 2: that's the benefits of being a pastor over a priest.
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Speaker 2: You can get married, yes, Stu, in case you were
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Speaker 2: wondering in which route you wanted to go.
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Speaker 1: But the priest. They still can't drink alcohol, though, can they?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Because whenever I worked at that pizza place, we always
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Speaker 1: had them come in in their little like black robes
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Speaker 1: and that white thing on their collar, and they could
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Speaker 1: drink beer. They would drink beer.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Southern Baptists cannot drink beer.
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Speaker 1: No, So do you want to get a pastor in
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Speaker 1: a like an Assemblies of God or something? Oh?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they can listen to We're like crazy beat on
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Speaker 2: their wys drink whiskey beat on their way, I said, cheat.
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Speaker 1: Southern Baptists can drink too, but they don't recognize each
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Speaker 1: other in the liquor store.
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Speaker 2: Yes, Carol, what I.
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Speaker 1: Was just I was just going to say, you know
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Speaker 1: who's really crazy is the Pentecostals. Anyways, what I was
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Speaker 1: going to say is the reason I'm we're joking about
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Speaker 1: this specifically means because I grew up in a very
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Speaker 1: religious situation.
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Speaker 2: I don't know for symbol as a god is really religious.
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Speaker 2: We're just like, you're like religious adjacent.
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Speaker 1: We're no, we're Pentecostal adjacent. We're the Pentecostals that can wear,
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Speaker 1: can cut their hair and wear makeup.
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Speaker 2: You don't wear long skirt and buns.
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Speaker 1: Yes, we adopted a lot of the the traditions, the
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Speaker 1: loud music, all this stuff, but we were like, no,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna where we won. But anyways, that was a
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Speaker 1: long time ago. That was when I was growing up,
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Speaker 1: a different time for me, which I.
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Speaker 2: Am still suffering the repercussions to this day. Anyway, Carol
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Speaker 2: was at home with her mom still and while they
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Speaker 2: had issues in the past, they were able to become closer.
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Speaker 2: After Frank's death, they were able to make ends meet
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Speaker 2: due to Frank's thirty one thousand dollars life insurance policy.
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Speaker 2: Back then, this would have been enough money to buy
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Speaker 2: a home and make it quite some time after the death.
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Speaker 1: Yes, they said a nice home home in a nice
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Speaker 1: for that size of family, because it would have just
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Speaker 1: been the two of them in a nice neighborhood. Would
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Speaker 1: have been about eighteen thousand dollars in Anniston, all of them.
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Speaker 1: So imagine now that'd be like going and buy a
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Speaker 1: four hundred thousand dollars house probably today because it's freaking expensive.
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Speaker 1: And still have four hundred thousand dollars left over too,
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Speaker 1: And that's like you don't have a home like a
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Speaker 1: house payment. And the mom was still working, you know,
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Speaker 1: and sleeping around, so she still't got money coming I
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Speaker 1: still got money coming in. Well. The years passed, and
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Speaker 1: Marie blew through the life insurance policy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were saying that she blew through it so quick.
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Speaker 2: They don't even understand how she blew through this money.
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Speaker 1: They said it was very difficult to blow through that
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Speaker 1: kind of money because imagine you don't have Amazon and
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Speaker 1: you don't have the Internet. You have to physically go
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Speaker 1: spend this money. Yes, there ain't no order on my line.
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Speaker 2: There, says Catalog, But I mean, come on, how much?
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Speaker 1: So Carol, Carol and Marie were still getting a long
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Speaker 1: but money was getting tied again. Now on top of
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Speaker 1: money issues, Carol began exhibiting similar symptoms that her father
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Speaker 1: had before he passed away.
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Speaker 2: You know what she's she's not named after Carol Anne
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Speaker 2: from Poulterguys, but she has the same name.
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Speaker 1: She doesn't have the name Carol Anne, Carol Anne. No,
18:12
Speaker 1: I said that was supposed to be Anne. Auto accidentally
18:16
Speaker 1: said Anne, you.
18:17
Speaker 2: Don't think her middle name was Anne, No, I don't.
18:21
Speaker 2: You can look it up, but I am not going
18:22
Speaker 2: to do that.
18:24
Speaker 1: No, I understand it was supposed to be Carol and Marie,
18:27
Speaker 1: but it actually I actually put Carol Anne Marie. All right,
18:32
Speaker 1: So now that we've confused everybody. Over the summer of
18:34
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine, Carol's health continued to decline to the
18:37
Speaker 1: point where she couldn't walk. With Carol having similar issues
18:41
Speaker 1: as her father, family members began to become suspicious of Marie,
18:45
Speaker 1: specifically Frank's sister. So this sort of been Carol's aunt
18:49
Speaker 1: and Marie's sister in law. So someone remembered Marie giving
18:54
Speaker 1: Frank like injections while he was sick. So they called
18:58
Speaker 1: Mike and asked him, Michael, Sorry, yes, we're friends. So
19:03
Speaker 1: I call him Mike Mike and asked him to check
19:06
Speaker 1: with Carol and see if Marie was giving her any injections. Now,
19:10
Speaker 1: Marie was in the room with Carol whenever Mike called her,
19:13
Speaker 1: so she did tell him no. But somehow they knew
19:17
Speaker 1: she knew he knew she was lying or she was.
19:22
Speaker 2: Mike knew that this was that was yeah, he thought
19:25
Speaker 2: seemed like he thought it was fishy. So he asked
19:28
Speaker 2: her a follow up question, which is, you wouldn't lie
19:32
Speaker 2: to me about this or something like that, and she
19:34
Speaker 2: said yes, Well, no, she said no because because that
19:40
Speaker 2: was the wrong question that he asked her that I'm remembering, okay.
19:43
Speaker 1: Somehow he knew she was lying on the phone about it,
19:46
Speaker 1: and so he calls the hospital and ask about any
19:48
Speaker 1: medication that Carol was receiving by injection, and the hospital
19:52
Speaker 1: said that they had never approved any medication to be
19:54
Speaker 1: delivered the injection and there's no way that they would
19:57
Speaker 1: have ever let Marie give the give the medication to Carol.
20:02
Speaker 1: And so Carol would later tell the hospital staff and
20:05
Speaker 1: family that Marie said that the shots would help her
20:07
Speaker 1: walk again, and so that's why she was okay with it.
20:10
Speaker 1: This was just because it's her mother. Why would she
20:12
Speaker 1: and they had been getting along because whenever she was younger,
20:15
Speaker 1: Carol and Marie did not get along at all.
20:17
Speaker 2: Well. Carol wanted to go do tom Boys stuff and
20:20
Speaker 2: Marie was the do girly.
20:22
Speaker 1: Stuff and wanted to be prissed up and everything like
20:25
Speaker 1: that dress and stuff. And then Carol had kind of
20:27
Speaker 1: started giving in and letting her mom do that kind
20:30
Speaker 1: of stuff with her, like get ready for dances and
20:32
Speaker 1: a stuff, and so that's when they had started getting.
20:34
Speaker 2: He actually got sick at her prom or whatever too.
20:37
Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyway, so with this information, Mike contacted authorities to
20:40
Speaker 1: let them know that he believed his mother was actually
20:42
Speaker 1: poisoning his sister because he knew, I'm guessing he had
20:46
Speaker 1: questions about his dad's death.
20:48
Speaker 2: Yes, and everything started getting more suspicious to him. During well,
20:53
Speaker 2: he was sick too, and then when he left home
20:54
Speaker 2: he got better. So yes, he was like, hmm, what's
20:58
Speaker 2: going on? All three people family getting.
21:00
Speaker 1: Sick like this except for a mom?
21:02
Speaker 2: Except for mom. During this time, police were actually investigating
21:06
Speaker 2: Marie for a bunch of bad checks that she had
21:08
Speaker 2: been writing. Because you got to remember, back in the day,
21:11
Speaker 2: you could write a bad check and you could be
21:12
Speaker 2: gone three or four days before they knew that shit
21:14
Speaker 2: wasn't going to clear the bank.
21:15
Speaker 1: Well, even back whenever I was grown up, you write
21:17
Speaker 1: a bad check and they just hang it there for everybody,
21:20
Speaker 1: like public shaming, you know, because.
21:22
Speaker 2: I wonder if they can still do that after there's lawsuits.
21:24
Speaker 1: I'm sure. Well, nowadays nobody writes a check, but also
21:27
Speaker 1: nowadays they run the Then they started, we were really screwed. Okay,
21:30
Speaker 1: we grew up. My parents bounced some checks. Okay, so
21:34
Speaker 1: this was a comment occurrence.
21:35
Speaker 2: Oh you write that hot check a couple of days
21:37
Speaker 2: before pay day, so but you know it's going to clear, Yeah,
21:40
Speaker 2: as long as they don't get it in the bank.
21:42
Speaker 2: So you do it on a Friday at five o'clock,
21:44
Speaker 2: go to the grocery store. By Monday, your paycheck should
21:47
Speaker 2: be in the bank. Because yes, I've done this before myself.
21:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we had we had a check or too
21:53
Speaker 1: hung at a store around town anyways. But nowadays, though,
21:58
Speaker 1: if you do write a check, they run it through
21:59
Speaker 1: that machine and it pulls the bank account number and
22:01
Speaker 1: checks to see if you have money right away. But
22:03
Speaker 1: you know what I used to do whenever I was
22:05
Speaker 1: this was back maybe ten or twelve years ago or so,
22:09
Speaker 1: or maybe weren't. When Target has their little red card
22:12
Speaker 1: or whatever. Whenever I was broke, you could get it.
22:17
Speaker 1: Target would like run it like the debit card or
22:19
Speaker 1: whatever and approve it. But it actually wouldn't come out
22:22
Speaker 1: for another day. So then if you didn't have any money,
22:24
Speaker 1: you could put money in. You could actually pay at
22:27
Speaker 1: the target with your Target Red card and then the
22:29
Speaker 1: next cause it's a Target red card debit card, so
22:31
Speaker 1: it wasn't the credit card. And then by the next day,
22:33
Speaker 1: as long as you got money in there, it would
22:35
Speaker 1: go through. That was something that I did. Uh, you know,
22:42
Speaker 1: not long ago. No, I wouldn't say not long ago. Uh,
22:45
Speaker 1: what's long ago? Twelve years ago? Thirteen years ago?
22:49
Speaker 2: Wow? What were you buying? Something?
22:54
Speaker 1: Just like normal stuff? But I was going to college
22:56
Speaker 1: and paying my tuition. I worked at the pizza place
23:00
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. You know, times were tough too, Okay,
23:04
Speaker 1: I wasn't to ask you for money anyways, probably getting
23:09
Speaker 1: a Starbucks.
23:09
Speaker 2: Probably anyway, authorities head to the hospital. They arrest Marie
23:15
Speaker 2: for the bad checks. During this time that she's in lockup,
23:19
Speaker 2: they move Carol to a different hospital and she has
23:22
Speaker 2: assigned a new doctor to look over her. Now that
23:25
Speaker 2: they know she's been receiving unauthorized injections, they start looking
23:30
Speaker 2: at it in a different way. The doctor examines her
23:33
Speaker 2: and finds that she has all the signs of arsenic poisoning.
23:36
Speaker 2: So basically the other doctors, if they're not looking for
23:40
Speaker 2: a poisoning in the case, these symptoms can mimic other diseases,
23:43
Speaker 2: which is why the doctors at the previous hospital might
23:46
Speaker 2: not have thought that Mom was poisoning.
23:48
Speaker 1: Well, that even happens today, Yeah, because if they don't
23:51
Speaker 1: know that there's poison if they don't suspect poisoning, they don't.
23:54
Speaker 1: It's not something they naturally were like, Okay, let's go
23:56
Speaker 1: off the list of things that could be wrong, and
23:59
Speaker 1: poisonings usually not on that list unless they have reason
24:02
Speaker 1: to believe someone's being poisoned.
24:04
Speaker 2: Yes, because I can't even imagine that people being poisoned
24:07
Speaker 2: as that high of a thing, that it's that common
24:10
Speaker 2: of an occurrence.
24:11
Speaker 1: Going on, unless they're putting on horse liniment.
24:16
Speaker 2: That's doing it to themselves. Now, they order blood work
24:18
Speaker 2: for Carol to confirm that she was being poisoned with
24:21
Speaker 2: arsenic and they find significant levels in her blood system.
24:24
Speaker 2: Authorities and family members were completely in shock that Mary
24:28
Speaker 2: would poison Marie. Marie.
24:30
Speaker 1: Whenever I sometimes I do text or voice to text,
24:33
Speaker 1: and for some reason at pages on this every single time,
24:36
Speaker 1: I would say, Marie, they would spell it m A
24:38
Speaker 1: R RI I and I kept and I didn't go
24:40
Speaker 1: back and fix them.
24:41
Speaker 2: Marie would poison her own child. With this new information,
24:44
Speaker 2: Michael writes a long letter to investigators laying out what
24:48
Speaker 2: happened to his father. He believed that the symptoms that
24:51
Speaker 2: Carol was displaying were also what happened to his father,
24:55
Speaker 2: so he now believes that his mother was also poisoning
24:59
Speaker 2: the father.
25:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't even think later on, I think
25:03
Speaker 1: they'll put together that Mike was, you know, being poisoned
25:07
Speaker 1: as well. But he's just at this point, he's.
25:09
Speaker 2: Just like or did he be Like, Yeah, I was
25:11
Speaker 2: getting sick too, and I need to be a part
25:12
Speaker 2: of the story more than I am.
25:14
Speaker 1: Yeah.
25:15
Speaker 2: No, did he ever go to the hospital for maansick?
25:18
Speaker 1: No? Or yeah? They said he went to the doctor
25:20
Speaker 1: like the dad, and they didn't. They thought he had
25:21
Speaker 1: the stomach flu. He's still a part of the stories
25:24
Speaker 1: to he helped get his mom in jail, all right,
25:27
Speaker 1: still in shock that a mother would do this to
25:29
Speaker 1: her child. They begin looking, why do you acting like
25:31
Speaker 1: Mike's just trying to get some attention, some extra attention,
25:34
Speaker 1: looking and what her child, They begin looking at what
25:37
Speaker 1: the motive could possibly be, well, knowing how much financial
25:40
Speaker 1: trouble Marie was in due to all the bad checks
25:43
Speaker 1: she wrote, and everyone around town knew she liked to
25:45
Speaker 1: keep up appearances. She also would have like the nicest
25:51
Speaker 1: clothes and things like that, her hair done, always made up,
25:54
Speaker 1: so they know everyone knows Marie likes to spend money,
25:57
Speaker 1: so it's probably financial. So they start digging and they
26:01
Speaker 1: find that a twenty five thousand dollars life insurance policy
26:04
Speaker 1: had been taken out on Carol. Now, this is definitely odd,
26:08
Speaker 1: very odd, especially back then, for you to have a
26:10
Speaker 1: life insurance policy on your child, now with all this information,
26:15
Speaker 1: because I mean normally, like you get it on your
26:17
Speaker 1: spouse something like that, but normally children are not.
26:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I got I always had it on the children.
26:24
Speaker 1: You had it on the children because it was offered
26:25
Speaker 1: through work at a low price. Yes, I had it
26:29
Speaker 1: as well, because it was offered for like it was
26:31
Speaker 1: offered for like ten thousand dollars or something per child.
26:34
Speaker 1: Is basically to cover a funeral costs, but you're not
26:36
Speaker 1: usually insuring them.
26:37
Speaker 2: To make a pile of money or like to make enough.
26:39
Speaker 1: Money to like, like, if if spouse dies, you usually
26:43
Speaker 1: need enough insurance, Like you'd want enough to pay off
26:45
Speaker 1: your house and be able to replace their income for
26:48
Speaker 1: a period of time while you recover from this. But anyways,
26:53
Speaker 1: back then, it was definitely weird to pull out a
26:55
Speaker 1: private insurance. They yeah, like, we don't have insurance on
26:59
Speaker 1: our children right now? Well, I do maybe through work,
27:02
Speaker 1: but again it's a policy offered through work, and I
27:04
Speaker 1: don't pay for it. I just sign up and I
27:06
Speaker 1: have it. So anyway, So with all this information aside
27:10
Speaker 1: to exuom Frank's body in October of nineteen seventy nine.
27:14
Speaker 1: Now the body was preserved well enough that they were
27:16
Speaker 1: able to test his hair and nails for arsenic and
27:20
Speaker 1: he did have significant levels in his system. Now that
27:24
Speaker 1: authorities know that she has been poisoning both her husband
27:26
Speaker 1: and her daughter, they need more evidence to link her
27:29
Speaker 1: to the poisoning. This is where Freda, Frank's sister comes in,
27:33
Speaker 1: who was already very suspicious of Marie. So she's pretty
27:39
Speaker 1: much hell been on proving that Marie killed her brother
27:41
Speaker 1: and tried to kill her niece. So she searches the
27:43
Speaker 1: entire home and is able to find a liquid substance
27:46
Speaker 1: that looks like water, which she takes to police and
27:49
Speaker 1: they test and confirm that is arsenic. They believe she
27:52
Speaker 1: got it from it's rat poisoning, But why would you
27:54
Speaker 1: have rat poisoning in a fluid like that because she's
28:00
Speaker 1: injecting it.
28:01
Speaker 2: Well, Frank's sister is also biased, so they could think that,
28:05
Speaker 2: how's this evidence going to hold up in court? She
28:07
Speaker 2: could have gotten it, said she found it in the house.
28:11
Speaker 1: Okay, well it doesn't matter. She was definitely poisoning everybody.
28:15
Speaker 2: Yes, I feel like today they are proven it in court, though.
28:19
Speaker 1: Was I know. I feel like today the police should
28:21
Speaker 1: have found the arsenic, not the sister. The sister who
28:25
Speaker 1: But they did think back the different back in the day.
28:28
Speaker 2: That they did. On October ninth, nineteen seventy nine, Marie
28:31
Speaker 2: is arrested for poisoning her daughter, and a short time
28:34
Speaker 2: after that, she has charges brought against her for killing
28:37
Speaker 2: her husband. As they're looking into Marie and the people
28:41
Speaker 2: around her, they found that she would basically poison people
28:44
Speaker 2: just for pleasure through food. So a lot of people
28:47
Speaker 2: that went to their home and ate her food would
28:49
Speaker 2: get sick afterwards, and it wasn't until they pulled all
28:52
Speaker 2: these stories together that they realize that one thing was
28:56
Speaker 2: central to all of them getting sick, and that was Marie.
29:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, she just did it for shits and gigs.
29:01
Speaker 2: You know, just like made everybody ship themselves for shits
29:04
Speaker 2: and gigs. Marie went before the judge with her lawyer
29:08
Speaker 2: and they were somehow able to get her out on pond.
29:11
Speaker 1: Right, because she's presenting as this petite, like well put
29:14
Speaker 1: together Southern lady. You know, back then, they didn't make them.
29:17
Speaker 1: I don't believe they made them come into you could
29:19
Speaker 1: like look nice coming into you. Weren't coming in in
29:21
Speaker 1: your your prison, yes.
29:24
Speaker 2: Your prison jumper for your arraignment. Now, her lawyers were
29:29
Speaker 2: also able to get it to prove that she would
29:31
Speaker 2: stay in a hotel room in another city called Homewood, Alabama.
29:35
Speaker 2: On November eighteenth, nineteen seventy nine, Marie's lawyer heads over
29:39
Speaker 2: to the hotel to speak with Marie. He arrives, the
29:43
Speaker 2: door's open to her hotel room. There's a note stating
29:46
Speaker 2: that she had been kidnapped, but do not come and
29:48
Speaker 2: look for her because they will harm her if police
29:52
Speaker 2: are involved. Now, as one might imagine this seems a
29:55
Speaker 2: little suspicious. So police compare the handwriting on the note
29:59
Speaker 2: to Marie's handwrite and it's identical, Caara identical. Marie has obviously.
30:06
Speaker 1: Escaped, and they're so ridiculous. This is back then whenever
30:09
Speaker 1: they underestimated women. Okay, because we all would have known
30:12
Speaker 1: she was going to try to make a run for it.
30:15
Speaker 1: She cannot be trusted. Now. What's crazy is months and
30:19
Speaker 1: years go by and they cannot find Marie. They have,
30:23
Speaker 1: you know, put out bowlos in all fifty states. They
30:26
Speaker 1: got her picture out at different police stations. But as
30:29
Speaker 1: you can imagine, it's probably pretty hard to locate people
30:31
Speaker 1: back then. It's not like you can post it on
30:32
Speaker 1: Facebook and TikTok and their faces everywhere and they're like, oh,
30:36
Speaker 1: we can find them.
30:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. You can't even go to the airport. These days,
30:39
Speaker 2: you don't even need a passport hardly anymore, because they
30:41
Speaker 2: take that picture of your face and they're like, yeah,
30:43
Speaker 2: that's you.
30:43
Speaker 1: We got all this technology now they can find people.
30:46
Speaker 1: So they want to try to locate Worry because they
30:49
Speaker 1: do believe she is a dangerous person. Obviously she's tried.
30:51
Speaker 1: I mean, she's killing family members in her own trying
30:53
Speaker 1: to kill her own daughter. Yes, it wasn't until January
30:56
Speaker 1: of nineteen eighty three that police finally received possibly a
30:59
Speaker 1: tip about where Marie could be. Now all the way
31:02
Speaker 1: up in Keen, New Hampshire, police were trying to deal
31:05
Speaker 1: with an odd situation. A man had come in telling
31:08
Speaker 1: police that he believes someone is impersonating someone else. So
31:12
Speaker 1: he tells a story of a woman named Robbie Homan.
31:16
Speaker 1: Now Robbie moved from Texas in nineteen eighty and said
31:19
Speaker 1: that she was married to This is the story she
31:22
Speaker 1: told when she met this person, So that she came
31:24
Speaker 1: from Texas in nineteen eighty and she's married to a
31:26
Speaker 1: man named John Homan. Well, she started working at this
31:29
Speaker 1: company with I believe it was the boss that came
31:32
Speaker 1: in that was questioning, you know, someone's trying.
31:36
Speaker 2: To impersonate the man that was reporting it.
31:38
Speaker 1: Yes, So he said that whenever she worked there, she
31:41
Speaker 1: was very personable, smiled a lot, everybody liked her again,
31:45
Speaker 1: got that Southern charm. But something strange happened. After a
31:50
Speaker 1: few years after she began working there, she tells her
31:52
Speaker 1: coworkers that this is the Robbie Homan tells her co
31:55
Speaker 1: workers that she has a rare blood disease and has
31:59
Speaker 1: to go to Dallas to beach treated well. Of course
32:01
Speaker 1: they believe Robbie, because why would they not. They wish
32:05
Speaker 1: her well and she heads off to receive treatment down
32:10
Speaker 1: in Dallas. Well, a couple of months go by and
32:13
Speaker 1: a woman shows up at the office saying that her
32:16
Speaker 1: name is Terry Martin well Tay. Terry tells Robbie's former
32:20
Speaker 1: co workers that she is Robbie's twin sister and that
32:23
Speaker 1: Robbie passed away while she was in Texas getting her
32:26
Speaker 1: treatment for her rare blood disease.
32:29
Speaker 2: Well, losing your twin sister.
32:32
Speaker 1: Like that, yeah, And they traveling all the way to
32:33
Speaker 1: New Hampshire to tell her coworkers in person.
32:36
Speaker 2: So if they know she wasn't coming back.
32:39
Speaker 1: Well not everybody was buying this story because they're looking
32:43
Speaker 1: at Terry and they're like, this is fucking Robbie in
32:49
Speaker 1: a wig, like.
32:52
Speaker 2: Like, this is not Why did you keep putting that
32:55
Speaker 2: mall back on her cheek? Why does that mall keep
32:58
Speaker 2: falling off her cheek?
32:59
Speaker 1: I'm sure if your mom there she would have bought
33:01
Speaker 1: this story. But everybody else, no, this is not. This
33:06
Speaker 1: is something's not right. So that's when that boss of
33:09
Speaker 1: that company decided to go and tell the police because
33:11
Speaker 1: he's like, this is something fishy going on. Now investigators
33:14
Speaker 1: looking to this whole situation, they're able to obtain a
33:18
Speaker 1: copy of the death certificate for Robbie Homan. Well, in
33:21
Speaker 1: that death certificate, they find a lot of discrepancies, including
33:25
Speaker 1: where her body was donated to science. The fact is
33:28
Speaker 1: that location she said it was the Sacred Heart Hospital
33:30
Speaker 1: in Tyler, Texas. And I knew that was a lie
33:33
Speaker 1: from being in from East Takers. There ain't no Sacred Heart,
33:35
Speaker 1: nothing over there.
33:36
Speaker 2: No, No, it's the Catholic Mission in Tyler. Texts.
33:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not happening. So anyway, so then they're like, Okay,
33:47
Speaker 1: this is strange. So they contact the FBI for assistance
33:49
Speaker 1: because they're like, why is this person faking a death
33:53
Speaker 1: in person somebody else? There's got to be more to this,
33:55
Speaker 1: so they need more resources. Well, they bring in Terry
33:58
Speaker 1: for questioning. An under pressure, Mary admits that she made
34:01
Speaker 1: up the identity because she is wanted for bad checks
34:03
Speaker 1: back in Alabama. Well, they are able to get her
34:06
Speaker 1: true identity and ran those records and found that she
34:09
Speaker 1: was actually wanted for murder. Now, yes, so they now
34:12
Speaker 1: know it's Marie Hilly and not Terry Martin or Robbie Homan.
34:17
Speaker 2: Well, now the police have Marie Hilly in custody, they
34:21
Speaker 2: begin trying to unravel all of her lives. She was
34:24
Speaker 2: married to a man named John Holman, so.
34:27
Speaker 1: That part was true. She was married to John Holman,
34:30
Speaker 1: so her.
34:30
Speaker 2: Home and surname was legitimate. Legit. They bring him in
34:35
Speaker 2: for questioning and he states that when he first met Marie,
34:38
Speaker 2: she said her name was Robbie Hannon. John met Robbie
34:42
Speaker 2: down in Florida and they married in nineteen eighty one.
34:45
Speaker 2: Then they relocated up to New Hampshire.
34:48
Speaker 1: Yes, I hundred percent on board with that, though, I
34:51
Speaker 1: get you, while you moved to New Hampshire.
34:54
Speaker 2: You're just getting too old to be able to deal
34:56
Speaker 2: with him.
34:56
Speaker 1: Well, she said she wanted to She wanted someplace that
34:59
Speaker 1: got real winters and things like that. So probably the heat,
35:03
Speaker 1: I mean Alabama and Florida's hot.
35:05
Speaker 2: That's because Marie ain't shoveling the goddamn snow in the driveway.
35:08
Speaker 1: She also like, I got to get the fuck out
35:10
Speaker 1: of these Southern States where someone catches me. So let's
35:12
Speaker 1: go to New Hampshire. You know, nothing bad nobody bads
35:15
Speaker 1: in New Hampshire.
35:16
Speaker 2: No, none at all, not that we're aware of. Shortly
35:18
Speaker 2: after they were married and moved to New Hampshire, they
35:21
Speaker 2: started having issues, as one white imagine, with Marie.
35:25
Speaker 1: Being a psychopath.
35:26
Speaker 2: Yes, in nineteen eighty two, Robbie tells John that she
35:31
Speaker 2: needs to go to Dallas to be treated for a
35:33
Speaker 2: rare blood disease.
35:34
Speaker 1: So she's keeping the story straight.
35:37
Speaker 2: That she's gonna be staying with her twin sister while
35:39
Speaker 2: she's down there in Dallas.
35:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, she did introduce him to the twin sister prior
35:43
Speaker 1: to just someone. She never mentioned the twin sister to
35:47
Speaker 1: the work coworkers. That's why they're like, what are you
35:49
Speaker 1: talking about?
35:52
Speaker 2: Why are you looking at me like that she actually
35:54
Speaker 2: had a twin sister.
35:54
Speaker 1: No, I'm saying she started the story. She did tell
35:57
Speaker 1: him about the twin sister, meaning made up that aheaded time.
36:00
Speaker 2: Oh introduced, she introduced the idea theory of the twin
36:04
Speaker 2: I met, she actually brought.
36:07
Speaker 1: She does not have a twin sister. I'm saying she
36:08
Speaker 1: started that lie with him beforehand. The coworker she did not,
36:13
Speaker 1: So that's why they were pretty surprised.
36:16
Speaker 2: So here we are. Several months later, John receives a
36:19
Speaker 2: phone call from Terry, this is the twin sister, saying
36:22
Speaker 2: that Robbie had passed away, and.
36:24
Speaker 1: I guess he just is okay with her. They did,
36:26
Speaker 1: he just was fine with her. I think she ran.
36:30
Speaker 1: I think she ran the root, the ran the roost.
36:33
Speaker 1: Is that the same ran the roost, rolled the roost,
36:40
Speaker 1: ruled the roost. I think so. She just told him. Plus,
36:42
Speaker 1: he wouldn't have been able to find her because I
36:43
Speaker 1: don't know where she was during that time. But she
36:46
Speaker 1: probably wasn't in Dallas. I don't know where she went
36:49
Speaker 1: all that time. They never said to what she did
36:52
Speaker 1: those months she was gone.
36:53
Speaker 2: Unless she was getting her fake birth certific get ready
36:55
Speaker 2: for in Dallas, I don't know.
36:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, but where did she stay?
36:59
Speaker 2: She could have gone, had a party, we don't know.
37:03
Speaker 2: After he finds out that Robbie has passed away, he
37:06
Speaker 2: is surprised to see Robbie's twin sister, Terry, show up
37:09
Speaker 2: at his door.
37:11
Speaker 1: This bitch is crazy, I know, why would she even
37:14
Speaker 1: come back? I guess she needed someplace to live, But
37:16
Speaker 1: why would you go to the Her mistake was going
37:19
Speaker 1: What's funny enough is her mistake was not going back
37:21
Speaker 1: to her husband and pretend to be the twin sister.
37:23
Speaker 1: Her mistake was going to the coworkers. Unless she was
37:25
Speaker 1: trying to think about getting that job and taking her
37:28
Speaker 1: old job back or something.
37:29
Speaker 2: I would have just she could have just gone back
37:31
Speaker 2: and been Robbie there and Terry at the house and
37:34
Speaker 2: nobody would have ever known, as long as they didn't
37:36
Speaker 2: talk to each other. Of course, she would have had
37:38
Speaker 2: to keep all that shit straight though. Anyway. He actually
37:43
Speaker 2: let Terry Terry bunny Ers move into the home where
37:47
Speaker 2: she lived there with him during this time, and he
37:50
Speaker 2: believed the whole story.
37:51
Speaker 1: Yes, he believed that Robbie died. We's got the twin
37:54
Speaker 1: now and he's letting her live there now.
37:57
Speaker 2: Even when being confronted by police about Terry slash Robbie's
38:01
Speaker 2: real identity, which is actually Marie, he could just not
38:05
Speaker 2: believe that she would do such a thing.
38:07
Speaker 1: Yes, he's an idiot. Now Marie is brought down to
38:10
Speaker 1: Alabama to go to trial for the murder of her
38:13
Speaker 1: husband and attempted murder of her daughter. Now, her husband,
38:16
Speaker 1: John did relocate to Alabama to support her, and he
38:19
Speaker 1: did plan on staying with her until she got out
38:21
Speaker 1: of prison. So on May thirtieth, nineteen eighty three, her
38:24
Speaker 1: trial began for both crimes. Now, in July of nineteen
38:28
Speaker 1: eighty three, the jury came back with the guilty verdict
38:32
Speaker 1: and she was sentenced to life in prison for the
38:34
Speaker 1: murder of Frank and twenty years in prison for attempted
38:37
Speaker 1: murder of Carol. Now, her story does not in here though, folks, Okay,
38:41
Speaker 1: it does not. She's got one more.
38:44
Speaker 2: Or Roy there.
38:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're here for the encore. Now, while in prison,
38:49
Speaker 1: Marie befriends the assistant warden because remember she's very charming,
38:53
Speaker 1: like that's her thing. Like she's been charming to everybody.
38:57
Speaker 1: That's why John is in Alabama right now waiting on
39:00
Speaker 1: her and stuff. That's probably why Frank didn't leave her
39:03
Speaker 1: even though she caught him in bed with her boss. Like,
39:06
Speaker 1: she's just a charming, nice, pretty lady that can work
39:11
Speaker 1: people over. Now, she is able to convince a lot
39:16
Speaker 1: of people to do things for and that includes the
39:19
Speaker 1: assistant warden. So after four years in prison, she sweet
39:22
Speaker 1: talks him into allowing her to have a three day
39:25
Speaker 1: pass to go spend time with her husband. I can't
39:28
Speaker 1: remember what they called it. What's the word? After this happened,
39:32
Speaker 1: they had to rethink the whole what's it? Whenever they
39:36
Speaker 1: are allowed to get out of prison for a couple
39:38
Speaker 1: of days furlough? Yeah, okay, yeah, they relooked at all
39:42
Speaker 1: this because it's not a good idea. So during this
39:47
Speaker 1: three day past, she would be allowed to leave the prison,
39:49
Speaker 1: but she has to go with a certain person and
39:51
Speaker 1: they're responsible for bringing her back, you know. And so
39:54
Speaker 1: her husband, of course, John is the one that does this.
39:57
Speaker 2: Well.
39:58
Speaker 1: On the last day that she's post or the last
40:01
Speaker 1: day when she's supposed to return to the prison, she
40:03
Speaker 1: tells John that she would like to go to the
40:05
Speaker 1: cemetery to visit her mother's grave, but she would like
40:08
Speaker 1: to go by herself because she needs some you.
40:11
Speaker 2: Know, some alone time to pay respects. I get it.
40:14
Speaker 1: So John, you know, he's had these great couple of
40:15
Speaker 1: days with her and everything like that, and he's still
40:17
Speaker 1: smitten with her. Stu's making the laid noise. John got
40:22
Speaker 1: laid probably probably, so John agrees and he goes and
40:25
Speaker 1: eats at a waffle house, and she this was back
40:29
Speaker 1: probably when waffle house was a little fancier. I'm guessing
40:31
Speaker 1: in the eighties. Has it never been fancy? No, okay,
40:35
Speaker 1: it's got to be better than what they are now.
40:36
Speaker 1: The one we went to, wash Monkey was disgusted by
40:40
Speaker 1: There was flies everywhere.
40:41
Speaker 2: Oh that one was disgusting. I mean they're all the
40:44
Speaker 2: same layout and everything. I mean, just the independent staff
40:48
Speaker 2: can it was disgusted there.
40:49
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not going back here, all right. So,
40:52
Speaker 1: like I said, John's eating at the waffle house. She's
40:54
Speaker 1: supposed to walk over and meet him there after she's done. Well,
40:58
Speaker 1: she never shows up, So John goes is cemetery to
41:00
Speaker 1: find her, and he finds a note saying that I
41:02
Speaker 1: love you, but I can't go back to prison.
41:06
Speaker 2: John's like, well, I can't know. I'm responsible for your ass.
41:09
Speaker 1: So John goes straight to the Sheriff's department and tells
41:11
Speaker 1: them what happened, and they begin searching for Marie. Now,
41:15
Speaker 1: at the time that she escaped, it was winter, it
41:18
Speaker 1: was snowy, and she's not dressed for the elements because
41:21
Speaker 1: it is in Alabama. But I believe they're on the
41:23
Speaker 1: Blue Mountain area, so it does get Yeah.
41:25
Speaker 2: I'm not sure where the prison was that she went to.
41:28
Speaker 1: She went to the Tutweiler Museum. Like it was snowy
41:34
Speaker 1: and cold, like I don't know, it was snow in
41:36
Speaker 1: the whole time, but it was dipping below freezing. It
41:38
Speaker 1: was very cold. There was some precipitation, so you I
41:41
Speaker 1: think you can if certain parts of Alabama you could
41:43
Speaker 1: get snow.
41:44
Speaker 2: Last year, you could approached death in Louisiana.
41:46
Speaker 1: So anyway, so she's just not dressed for the elements
41:49
Speaker 1: out there. So four days after she vanished, Marie was
41:52
Speaker 1: found delirious on the back porch of a house in Aniston,
41:56
Speaker 1: because oh yeah, they were in Aniston, because she left
41:58
Speaker 1: the prison and went that was what it is. And
42:00
Speaker 1: it was next to the Blue Mountain area, So it
42:03
Speaker 1: does get cold. So the woman who found Marie described
42:05
Speaker 1: her appearance as scary, stating she was dirty with mud
42:09
Speaker 1: on her face and long fingernails. I don't know, long fingernails.
42:12
Speaker 1: How could her fingerals grow that fast or whatever. She
42:15
Speaker 1: alerted the police, who then summoned paramedics. Well, Marie was
42:19
Speaker 1: conscious at the scene, but lost consciousness while being transported
42:22
Speaker 1: to a nearby hospital for treatment. Now, upon arrival, she
42:26
Speaker 1: suffered a heart attack. Doctors attempt to revive her, but
42:30
Speaker 1: they were unsuccessful and she was pronounced dead. Now, the
42:33
Speaker 1: coroner believed that she had been crawling around the woods,
42:36
Speaker 1: drenched by four days of frequent rain and exposed to
42:39
Speaker 1: temperatures that dropped to around freezing. Now, her final cause
42:43
Speaker 1: of death was attributed to hypothermia and exposure. And that's
42:48
Speaker 1: how Marie Hilly.
42:49
Speaker 2: So she suffered somewhat.
42:51
Speaker 1: She did suffer quite old. I can imagine not as.
42:54
Speaker 2: Much of the suffering as she caused for poor Frank
42:56
Speaker 2: and Carol.
42:57
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean that was because yeah, Carol couldn't
43:00
Speaker 1: walk like it was. They said, arsenic poisoning slowly like
43:03
Speaker 1: makes all your limbs numb as it's like working its
43:06
Speaker 1: way to like attack your organs. So your body's just
43:09
Speaker 1: going numb on your extremity.
43:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, you're in constant pain, like inflammation in
43:14
Speaker 2: your body too from it.
43:15
Speaker 1: So she had a pretty bad death though it was
43:19
Speaker 1: not good things. She had lost her shoes because she
43:22
Speaker 1: probably was getting.
43:23
Speaker 2: Delirious from probably got stuck in the mud or something.
43:25
Speaker 1: Yeah. So anyway, so that was. You know, she made
43:28
Speaker 1: a mark on the on You know, she made us
43:30
Speaker 1: mark on the stories of the true crime world. You
43:32
Speaker 1: know that's quite the quite the story.
43:35
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, if you're gonna do it, she did
43:37
Speaker 2: the If you're gonna go big or go home, she
43:39
Speaker 2: went big.
43:40
Speaker 1: You can't do that shit these days, where you just
43:42
Speaker 1: disappear and fake in identity. It just doesn't it doesn't work.
43:47
Speaker 1: What's crazy is she would have gotten away with it
43:48
Speaker 1: if she'd just not tried to die and come back
43:51
Speaker 1: as her twins.
43:52
Speaker 2: I don't even know what it was, unless she was
43:53
Speaker 2: trying to collect insurance money from her dead twin.
43:56
Speaker 1: Possibly, but I think she really just had a problem
43:59
Speaker 1: with it, Like she was like she couldn't handle just
44:01
Speaker 1: being in a normal situation. I feel like she just
44:04
Speaker 1: always needed to be lying, always needed the story, always
44:07
Speaker 1: needed some sort of drama, because if she just stayed
44:11
Speaker 1: in New Hampshire, John John was an idiot. He would
44:13
Speaker 1: have just continued on letting her do whatever she wanted, have.
44:16
Speaker 2: Sex once once a year, and he would have been happy.
44:19
Speaker 1: Yep. So, anyways, do you have a y'all need Jesus to.
44:22
Speaker 2: Of course, I have a y'all need Jesus.
44:24
Speaker 1: Okay, are you ready to go?
44:25
Speaker 2: No, I'm not ready to go. Pull it up. Coming
44:29
Speaker 2: to us from our my favorite little place to get stories,
44:32
Speaker 2: The New York Post and the Dumbest Criminal Section. Bitter
44:37
Speaker 2: woman tried poisoning newly engaged ex husband with fentanyl laced
44:44
Speaker 2: congratulatory chocolates. Florida or not Florida.
44:52
Speaker 1: Not Florida might be Alabama, where Carol Hilly lives. I
44:55
Speaker 1: don't know.
44:56
Speaker 2: You think I'm doing a theme to tie into your
44:59
Speaker 2: your case.
45:01
Speaker 1: This was a plot on a Hallmark movie I watched though,
45:07
Speaker 1: so not a sorry guys, I actually hit the stop button. Yes,
45:13
Speaker 1: Hallmark they do Hallmarks movies and mysteries, and so they
45:16
Speaker 1: do the mysteries one. This was an Aurora Tea garden
45:20
Speaker 1: mystery where the mom received poisoned chocolates where they only
45:24
Speaker 1: saw it because there was like a little needle prick
45:26
Speaker 1: where they had injected. Yes, they are cozy mystery.
45:29
Speaker 2: Stewart did she had fell? She did?
45:34
Speaker 1: That's not how. No, Aurora stopped her because she solves.
45:37
Speaker 1: She's a librarian who solves crime store. Okay, it's based
45:41
Speaker 1: on the books by Harris. No, that's the Hannah Swinson mysteries.
45:46
Speaker 1: That's a different that's joe Ane Fluke's book books. Joeanne
45:50
Speaker 1: Fluke's books books. She's Hannah Swinson. She's a baker that
45:57
Speaker 1: she runs a bakery that solves mysteries. Tea Garden is
46:00
Speaker 1: a librarian that solves mysteries.
46:02
Speaker 2: What if the baker and the and the librariyan got together,
46:05
Speaker 2: they could be.
46:05
Speaker 1: Like a super that would never happen on Hallmark. They
46:08
Speaker 1: get together and solve Oh, I thought you meant to
46:11
Speaker 1: get together and uh oh, like the Hallmark is strictly
46:17
Speaker 1: uh g rated, they would not be having them have
46:21
Speaker 1: sex to go.
46:22
Speaker 2: I thought I was just saying team. I don't know
46:25
Speaker 2: where your mind is going.
46:26
Speaker 1: No, I'm just going normally goes. I thought you meant
46:29
Speaker 1: they were going to become lesbian lovers on Hallmark Channel.
46:32
Speaker 2: No, like a dynamic.
46:36
Speaker 1: There's one thing the Hallmark Channel does not do, and
46:38
Speaker 1: that is sex scenes.
46:39
Speaker 2: From what I can no, they they don't even know
46:43
Speaker 2: what sex is. On the Home channel.
46:44
Speaker 1: We just dance around it. We don't even do any.
46:46
Speaker 2: Approprice around it. I don't even think they hold hands
46:49
Speaker 2: or kiss on there.
46:50
Speaker 1: That is, they might do a peck every once in
46:52
Speaker 1: a while, but.
46:52
Speaker 2: Peck on the cheek.
46:53
Speaker 1: Yeah you don't.
46:57
Speaker 2: I don't know where we're at.
46:57
Speaker 1: You're talking about some chocolates. And because the mad because
47:00
Speaker 1: her fiance was like our ex fiance was getting engaged with.
47:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were doing Florida, not Florida, and not Florida,
47:05
Speaker 2: not Floria.
47:06
Speaker 1: Because I was joking it was Carol Hilly because she
47:08
Speaker 1: was following her mother's footsteps.
47:10
Speaker 2: Caitlin McCormick coming to us from The New York Post
47:14
Speaker 2: July fourteenth, twenty twenty five. A bitter Texas divorcee is
47:20
Speaker 2: facing felony charges and a botch plot to kill her
47:23
Speaker 2: ex her husband, first by hiring a hitman who got
47:28
Speaker 2: cold feet, and then by trying to send him Benton
47:31
Speaker 2: a lace chocolate as a congratulatory gift for his new engagement.
47:36
Speaker 2: According to beliefs, I.
47:37
Speaker 1: Can guarantee you something if if your ex wife ever
47:41
Speaker 1: sent as anything, we would definitely not eat it. I
47:44
Speaker 1: don't know anybody who's.
47:46
Speaker 2: Who's I'm not eating anything from any ex girlfriend fiance.
47:50
Speaker 1: No, I don't trust anything. I'm I'm not eating.
47:52
Speaker 2: Nothing from Remember when that neighbor came over and brought
47:55
Speaker 2: us to open cookies.
47:56
Speaker 1: Yes, because she was trying to bitch at us about
47:58
Speaker 1: our yard.
47:59
Speaker 2: She needed a way to come up, she needed a
48:01
Speaker 2: reason to come over, and so she brought.
48:02
Speaker 1: Us some some cookies from the super War Zimber one.
48:06
Speaker 1: But she'd already eaten a couple out of there, and
48:08
Speaker 1: she brought him over to start talking because we had
48:10
Speaker 1: been on vacation. And if you're from the South, you
48:14
Speaker 1: understand that. If you're from the South, it's humid, you
48:18
Speaker 1: understand it. You can literally mow your lawn one week
48:21
Speaker 1: we went on vacation. No, we didn't have anybody mowing
48:24
Speaker 1: our lawn that week. We were only going a week,
48:26
Speaker 1: and it literally looked like a jungle. We came back
48:28
Speaker 1: because it grows so fast when it's humid and wet
48:31
Speaker 1: down there. So she was she was a her husband
48:34
Speaker 1: was a pediatrician and he had passed away, and so
48:39
Speaker 1: she's over there. All she focused on she was obsessed
48:41
Speaker 1: with her yard, like that's all she This woman.
48:43
Speaker 2: Was the maintenance people there. Every day landscape.
48:48
Speaker 1: She spent his money on was landscaping and everything like that.
48:51
Speaker 1: And so our yard it grew up like like it
48:54
Speaker 1: was bad, like we get it. We came home, We're like,
48:56
Speaker 1: oh my god, well so we're we just got back
48:59
Speaker 1: from vacation. She comes over the next day. I guess
49:01
Speaker 1: she saw we were home and she brought us these
49:02
Speaker 1: open cookies to say, do you guys need a lawn person.
49:05
Speaker 1: I have a number of somebody who can right now.
49:08
Speaker 2: Our guy said he'd be here. It was raining, it
49:10
Speaker 2: was muddy, it couldn't make it.
49:11
Speaker 1: So she was a real bitch. I hated her, Yeah
49:13
Speaker 1: she was.
49:14
Speaker 2: She never came and talked to us again after that.
49:16
Speaker 1: No, and I threw out her cookies and I went
49:17
Speaker 1: straight into garbage. Weirdo.
49:20
Speaker 2: All right, So anyway back to our story, Texas better
49:23
Speaker 2: divorce brings.
49:26
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about on shoot poo was the
49:28
Speaker 1: neighbor kids. I told you, okay, we'll talk about it
49:31
Speaker 1: next week and I'll write it down. So I remember, okay, going, I.
49:34
Speaker 2: Told I told you to get bullet points for shooting boo.
49:37
Speaker 1: I hadn't. I had been writing story. I had been
49:40
Speaker 1: why don't you do it? Why don't you do it?
49:44
Speaker 2: I do.
49:44
Speaker 1: I have a list that says STP right here STP
49:49
Speaker 1: talk topics. We already talked about.
49:50
Speaker 2: These these two things Stone Temple pilots.
49:53
Speaker 1: No, all right, you continue on. I'll write down the
49:56
Speaker 1: note for next time.
49:57
Speaker 2: Anyway, getting back to our story, this better divorce a.
50:00
Speaker 2: Her name is Pamela Jean Stanley age. You want to
50:04
Speaker 2: take a wild guess at an age range.
50:08
Speaker 1: Forty seven sixty three? Come on? Is her name Pamela?
50:13
Speaker 2: Yes?
50:14
Speaker 1: Come on, get it together girl.
50:15
Speaker 2: She was caught on tape by an undercover officer with
50:18
Speaker 2: the Parker County Sheriff Special Crimes Unit inquiring about injecting
50:22
Speaker 2: fentanyl into a box up high end chocolates.
50:25
Speaker 1: I would not even mess with finnyl. I heard if
50:27
Speaker 1: you just touch it, you can get Is that true?
50:29
Speaker 2: I guess they said that a couple three grains can
50:33
Speaker 2: cause you some distress.
50:34
Speaker 1: It's almost as bad as eucalyptus.
50:36
Speaker 2: Oh what that was?
50:37
Speaker 1: Was that a different that was on shoot pooh?
50:39
Speaker 2: Never, that was on shoot tapoo. So anybody listening to
50:41
Speaker 2: Shooting the poo you get that joke? That's callback to
50:45
Speaker 2: last Friday Saturday.
50:48
Speaker 1: Because we were late. We're late.
50:50
Speaker 2: Yes. Now. She wanted to deliver them to her newly
50:54
Speaker 2: engaged ex, a sixty six year old Jeffrey couth cough.
51:00
Speaker 1: Come on, Jeffrey, dude, why are you even getting married?
51:03
Speaker 1: Shack up?
51:04
Speaker 2: What are you doing Jeffrey? Jeffrey and Pamela? I mean,
51:09
Speaker 2: how long were they married? The package would also include
51:12
Speaker 2: a faux honeymoon and sent them from a travel agency,
51:15
Speaker 2: according the shovel Sheriff's Office.
51:17
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I need a backstory because I need to know.
51:19
Speaker 1: Maybe Pamela, maybe he was justified homicide. Were they married
51:22
Speaker 1: for thirty years and he left her for some twenty
51:24
Speaker 1: two year older you're.
51:25
Speaker 2: Saying there was justified homicide, heir. Maybe the deadly delivery
51:28
Speaker 2: was apparently Stanley's fallback plan since her hitman did not
51:35
Speaker 2: do the job. According to her victim, she had first
51:38
Speaker 2: hired a hitman to assassinate her ex nearly eighteen months prior,
51:42
Speaker 2: but the paid assassin suddenly grew a conscience and warned Jeffrey.
51:48
Speaker 2: I'm just fortunate that the hitman had a conscience and
51:51
Speaker 2: reached out to me. I've spent pretty much the better
51:53
Speaker 2: part of a year and a half. God, I hate
51:56
Speaker 2: all these ads with lights off in the house, flood
51:59
Speaker 2: lights and camera in the backyard. It's been an experience,
52:02
Speaker 2: he said, and he contacted the police soon after. He
52:07
Speaker 2: alleged that his bengeful ex wanted him dead so that
52:11
Speaker 2: she could covet his son's inheritance and reclaim the home
52:15
Speaker 2: that they shared before their twenty twenty divorce and an
52:19
Speaker 2: act of hatred and revenge. Yeah, I'm gonna need some backstory.
52:22
Speaker 1: Man, I'm gonna need some backstory because we're only hearing
52:25
Speaker 1: one side.
52:25
Speaker 2: Of the And what happened to the Sun. What is
52:29
Speaker 2: this inheritance.
52:33
Speaker 1: Weatherford?
52:33
Speaker 2: His son's inheritance. I guess if he would have died,
52:37
Speaker 2: the Sun would have got the money and she could
52:39
Speaker 2: have gone on there and got it. Maybe the son
52:43
Speaker 2: didn't die. I'm lucky. I'm the lucky fellow. I'm just
52:46
Speaker 2: thankful she's behind bars, he told the outlet. Stanley was
52:50
Speaker 2: finally caught after undercover officers lured her to a fake
52:54
Speaker 2: purchase of what she believed was fentanyl in a motel
52:57
Speaker 2: parking lot in late May. She was cuffed to meet
53:00
Speaker 2: lately after the sale and booked on charges of criminal
53:03
Speaker 2: solicitation with intent to commit murder, criminal attempt to commit murder,
53:08
Speaker 2: and possession of a controlled stubstance with intent to deliver
53:11
Speaker 2: did she actually give him the fitnanyl. Cops also found
53:15
Speaker 2: a whopping nine point five grams of meth on her
53:18
Speaker 2: at the time of her arrest. Stanley has not been
53:21
Speaker 2: charged with anything relating to the alleged assassination for hire.
53:26
Speaker 2: The accused attempted killer was released in late May on
53:30
Speaker 2: four hundred and fifty thousand dollars bond. She was indicted
53:34
Speaker 2: on July tenth and set to be arranged on Tuesday.
53:38
Speaker 2: She had a previous run in with law in twenty nineteen,
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Speaker 2: when she pleaded guilty to deadly conduct for the unlawful
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Speaker 2: discharge of a firearm. She was sentenced to twelve months
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Speaker 2: probation in fifty hours of community service for many x's
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Speaker 2: Sometimes parting isn't such sweet sorrow? Instead advances homicidal tendencies.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well, this guy's an idiot, because I found another
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Speaker 1: article where he said it was a pretty ingenious plan.
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Speaker 1: I would have probably ate the chocolates. My fiance would
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Speaker 1: have ate the chocolate. But even worse, we have two
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Speaker 1: minor children here. I'm sure they would have eaten some
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Speaker 1: as well, and she has no worries. I'm telling you,
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Speaker 1: there's something children that's what I'm saying. I'm guaranteed that
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Speaker 1: he left his wife, probably for some young coach and
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Speaker 1: then and then okay, well then she brought some children along.
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Speaker 1: But why the fuck if you were if you knew
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Speaker 1: that your wife, your ex wife, was crazy, why would
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Speaker 1: you eat chocolates that she gave you. That's insane. He's
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Speaker 1: an idiot.
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Speaker 2: You don't even eat it if you're getting along with
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Speaker 2: your axe.
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Speaker 1: No, I don't even eat anything anybody makes home like
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Speaker 1: homemade and brings to work up there. No, because I
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Speaker 1: just don't know how what your cleanliness standards are in
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Speaker 1: your own home. Yeah, I don't know if you are
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Speaker 1: you licking the spoon anyways.
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Speaker 2: Licking your fingers And then back on the food.
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Speaker 1: I'm real weird about the stuff. I need you to
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Speaker 1: be clean and everything I need to Everybody out.
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Speaker 2: There thinks that they're going to find our address and
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Speaker 2: say as cookies or anything.
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Speaker 1: Don't I can, and I understand I worked in a restaurant,
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Speaker 1: but I can guarantee you if I make something from
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Speaker 1: my home, I can guarantee you that it was made
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Speaker 1: in a clean manner because I love because I make
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Speaker 1: it in the same manner that I would want someone,
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Speaker 1: but I don't know. Other people don't have as many
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Speaker 1: problems with like licking their fingers and touching food that
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Speaker 1: other people can eat, or double dipping or sharing a dip.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to do any of that. No, I
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Speaker 1: don't want it.
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Speaker 2: So we don't even like going to the buffets on
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Speaker 2: the cruise ships.
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Speaker 1: I don't like that, you know, not fair, but we
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Speaker 1: do because we do at the beginning, and then it
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Speaker 1: starts getting grocery and groceries were there and they were like,
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Speaker 1: I can't do this because.
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Speaker 2: You watch people walk away from the buffet lock on
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Speaker 2: their fingers.
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Speaker 1: I know it's the licking of the fingers, Like what
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Speaker 1: is it? Did we forget about COVID? Like what are
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Speaker 1: we doing anyway?
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Speaker 2: Even cod It's like, you.
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Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying. We were such such I remember
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Speaker 1: whenever though they came up, They're like, we should be
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Speaker 1: doing this at restaurants. So I'm like, why the fuck
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Speaker 1: weren't people in the back of the house doing that
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Speaker 1: in the first place?
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Speaker 2: Exactly blowing your nose in your slave or something?
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Speaker 1: What kind of craps? Like why would you want what
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Speaker 1: are your hands to begin with? So no, It's just
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Speaker 1: like we were on real high about like germ stuff,
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Speaker 1: and I was on board with it, and then it's
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Speaker 1: slowly we've turned into like just back where a public
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Speaker 1: that lick our fingers, and I'm just like, oh, yeah.
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Speaker 2: We got to have sneeze guards on our buffet because
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Speaker 2: people have just sneezed right on and if they didn't.
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Speaker 1: Okay, never eating a buffet again, I'm not a big
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Speaker 1: fan of them, but that's why I have a hard
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Speaker 1: time at work.
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Speaker 2: I used to love the Shonese buffets and the Grapkats
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Speaker 2: buffets at the Shayes, I.
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Speaker 1: Just love it. Chinese food buffet, let me tell you,
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Speaker 1: that's the only one. I'll make the exception for you
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Speaker 1: because it's just it. We don't ever go though. We
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Speaker 1: don't go to any of that stuff.
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Speaker 2: No, we don't. Well, we went to the Panda.
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Speaker 1: But it's not they're serving it to you.
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Speaker 2: Yes, it's not.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not people serve No, it's like at the buffet,
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Speaker 1: they're like grabbing the spoon. They like lick their fingers
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Speaker 1: and then grab the.
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Speaker 2: Then they grab another spoon as they go down.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they're just like spreading theirs. So gross.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how this goes. Oh, we don't eat
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Speaker 1: food that people anyways. All right, well that's our case
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