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Ep. 265: Making Your Own Luck with Cody D’Acquisto · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm
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Speaker 1: your host Mark Kenyan in this episode number two and
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Speaker 1: sixty five, and today in the show, I'm joined by
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Speaker 1: Codydquisto of Lone Wolf Custom Gear to dissect his uniquely
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Speaker 1: aggressive and purposeful approach to making his own luck in
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Speaker 1: the White Tail Woods. Hello, and welcome to the Wired
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Speaker 1: to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Onyx and today,
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Speaker 1: as I just mentioned him, joined by Cody de Quisto.
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Speaker 1: Now Cody, he's the son of Andre Dequisto, who you
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Speaker 1: might know if he's the founder of Lone Wolf tree
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Speaker 1: Stands and a very well known, accomplished deer hunter. UM,
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Speaker 1: a little bit of a legend within many circles of
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Speaker 1: the d I Y deer hunting community. But Cody stands
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Speaker 1: on his own as a tremendously successful hunter too. He's
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Speaker 1: taken scores of big mature bucks. Many many doesn't this
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Speaker 1: very aggressive mobile way, and it's it's a style that's
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Speaker 1: becoming increasingly of interest to folks hunting public land or
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Speaker 1: private by permission spots where hunting pressure can make things tough.
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Speaker 1: You've heard me talk about ways I've done You've heard
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Speaker 1: my buddy Dan talk about ways that he does it,
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Speaker 1: and a number of other guests we've had over the years.
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Speaker 1: But I feel like Cody takes things maybe next level
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Speaker 1: in certain in certain ways, very interesting style, and I
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Speaker 1: wanted to pick Cody's brain for a while about this,
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Speaker 1: kind of get the first hand scoop on how he's
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Speaker 1: doing what he's doing. Um So that's been on my radar,
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Speaker 1: But earlier this month, earlier in January, Cody pop back
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Speaker 1: up for me because Lone Wolf Custom Gear became the
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Speaker 1: talk of the two thousand nineteen a t a show
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Speaker 1: with a reviving of this brand and a whole bunch
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Speaker 1: of new products that Cody and his dad have been
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Speaker 1: working on. So this is kind of all the buzz
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Speaker 1: over the last couple of weeks, and it made me
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Speaker 1: realize I really got to get Cody back on here.
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Speaker 1: Now is a great time to chat with him. And
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Speaker 1: finally that's what we've been able to do. We got
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Speaker 1: it scheduled, we made it happen, and what we're gonna
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Speaker 1: do here today is talk a little bit about the
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Speaker 1: new company, you're kind of this new revitalization of the
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Speaker 1: company and some of the new products coming up. And
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Speaker 1: then we spend the majority of the episode then diving
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Speaker 1: into a bunch of very specific examples of how Cody
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Speaker 1: hunts and successfully tags so many different mature bucks. Um,
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Speaker 1: it's very interesting. I really enjoyed his perspective and his strategies,
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Speaker 1: and a few of the points he makes along away
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Speaker 1: are just man, they're they're things to live by, some
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Speaker 1: really great things to keep in mind as we head
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Speaker 1: into this next season. So I'm excited for you to
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Speaker 1: hear this, but I do want to give you two
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Speaker 1: quick heads ups before we move on. Number One, there
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Speaker 1: is a little bit more adult language in this one
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Speaker 1: and some others, so just fair warning on that. Uh,
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Speaker 1: if that's not your cup of tea, you might just
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Speaker 1: want to skip ahead to the next one, or skip
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Speaker 1: back to another one, or maybe just don't listen to
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Speaker 1: this one with the little ones present. And Secondly, about
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Speaker 1: two thirds of the way you're so through our chat,
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Speaker 1: we started having a little bit of a sound quality disruption.
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Speaker 1: I apologize in advance for that, which it didn't happen,
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Speaker 1: but there are a few sections where things get a
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Speaker 1: little fuzzy on his end. Um. I decided though that
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Speaker 1: we're gonna keep that content in here because I just
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Speaker 1: think it's it's really interesting, the full interview intact. I
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Speaker 1: feel it should be there for those who want to listen.
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Speaker 1: But I do apologize for a little bit of that
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Speaker 1: sound issue that you will catch again eventually. So with
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Speaker 1: all of that out of the way, I think we
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Speaker 1: should just jump right into it. Let's take a quick
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Speaker 1: hot second to thank our partners at Morton Buildings, and
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Speaker 1: then we'll get on with the show. So, as I've mentioned,
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Speaker 1: I'm excited for this new partnership with Morton Buildings because
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Speaker 1: I've for a long time looked at Morton Buildings out
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Speaker 1: there on folks properties and been very very jealous Morton.
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Speaker 1: They're the builders of very high quality steel pole barns
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Speaker 1: and steel buildings. Um you know, they can be used
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Speaker 1: just as storage for your tractor and your hunting gear.
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Speaker 1: I've seen others where they're full born Paul barn houses
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Speaker 1: where you have a large storage area for your truck
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Speaker 1: and your tractor in your forward, but then also maybe
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Speaker 1: half of it is a living area. Um Man. I've
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Speaker 1: kind of dreamed of having my own little hunting properties
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Speaker 1: someday and a Paul Barn house on it. That is
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Speaker 1: is what I'm hoping to someday have, And it's kind
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Speaker 1: of neat to be able to talk about on the
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Speaker 1: podcast here, and it can't tell you about my dreams.
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Speaker 1: I mentioned, you can have a Paul Barn house, you
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Speaker 1: barn or Paul barn house or a little living space
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Speaker 1: on your property, you can head over to Morton Buildings
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Speaker 1: dot com to learn more. All right with me now
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Speaker 1: on the line is Cody de Quisto. Cody, thanks for
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Speaker 1: joining me here. Yeah, thanks Mark, thanks for having me on.
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Speaker 1: I looked I've been kind of looking forward to the
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Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. Yeah, me too, it was. It's
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Speaker 1: actually been something I've wanted to do for a while. Um.
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Speaker 1: I think I maybe reached out once a long time ago,
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Speaker 1: or we might have met very briefly at some trade
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Speaker 1: show a couple of years ago, but now it's finally happening,
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Speaker 1: and um, A man of the timing is good. I
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Speaker 1: think because you and your company, Lone Wolf Custom Gear
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Speaker 1: has been all over social media rate lately, a lot
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Speaker 1: of people asking questions about what's going on, new products
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Speaker 1: coming out, a lot of excitement I feel coming around
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Speaker 1: it because because your dad started Lone Wolf a long
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Speaker 1: time ago, many of us have used Lone Wolf tree
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Speaker 1: stands in the subsequent years, um, and they've been you know, amazing,
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Speaker 1: amazing products. And now you guys have got some new
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Speaker 1: stuff happening, which is which is exciting. So I think
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Speaker 1: maybe the kickings off, Cody, I just I feel like
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Speaker 1: there's there's just like some questions around what this company is,
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Speaker 1: how it's different than it used to be, what your
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Speaker 1: involvement is a Lone Wolf Custom Gear versus what you
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Speaker 1: used to do with XLP, or maybe you're still doing XLP.
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Speaker 1: Can you kind of just walk us through what you're
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Speaker 1: doing now, what's up with a new brand or the
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Speaker 1: old brand that's now revitalized the new products. Um, I
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Speaker 1: just just walk us through that. Yeah, yeah, no problem.
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Speaker 1: So UM. I mean essentially what you're seeing now, you
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Speaker 1: know is Lone Wolf custom gear um, pretty much the
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Speaker 1: same as the original Lone Wolf brand. UM. You know,
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Speaker 1: we added the custom gear because we we branched out
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Speaker 1: into a couple of different avenues. So uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: it's always been obviously known for tree stands, climbing sticks
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Speaker 1: and and that sort of thing. Um, but now we
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Speaker 1: have some some cameras and some other products so um.
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Speaker 1: But essentially what it is is it's a family based
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Speaker 1: company or own company that that uh you know, my
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Speaker 1: dad started back in my teen eight four out of
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Speaker 1: the garage in the backyard, UM innovative and design these
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Speaker 1: tree stands, and you know, spent a long time building
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Speaker 1: that brand. UM, and it's kind of been dormant for
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Speaker 1: a while. There has been a loan of tree stands
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Speaker 1: present for the last tenor sold years or actually might
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Speaker 1: even be a little longer than that. TUTA. Yeah it's
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Speaker 1: just teen years actually, so um. But that what you
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Speaker 1: see is is a licensing agreement. So UM he built
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Speaker 1: up his UM his line of tree stands, climenades and
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Speaker 1: stuff like that, UM and licensed those patented items as
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Speaker 1: well as the name brand UM to a company and
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Speaker 1: sort of got out of the business for a while. UM.
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Speaker 1: And it was, you know, we always had the intent
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Speaker 1: to relaunch the brand UM and I think we were
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Speaker 1: just kind of waiting for that right time. UM. And
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Speaker 1: this year marked the thirty thirty five year anniversary of
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Speaker 1: of the brand, so we figured it was it was
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Speaker 1: the perfect time to launch that. And so with with
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Speaker 1: the relaunch of the brand, like you mentioned, there's a
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Speaker 1: few new products coming out you guys, I don't know
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Speaker 1: how much you want to dive into it, but a
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Speaker 1: new revitalized take on your tree stands, UM, updates on
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Speaker 1: your climbing sticks. Can you walk us through some of
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Speaker 1: that stuff, and then maybe a little bit on the
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Speaker 1: other products you guys have to Yeah, yeah, So that's
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Speaker 1: that's definitely UM A big thing UM uh that I'm
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Speaker 1: proud of for this year. So so what I wanted
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Speaker 1: to do UM, you know when one day and I
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Speaker 1: started talking about the you know, the relaunch of the
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Speaker 1: brand and kind of getting back into it is UM
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Speaker 1: is really make a product again that cater to you know,
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Speaker 1: our needs and guys like us, you know, sort of
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Speaker 1: like what happened back in the nineties when Dad you know,
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Speaker 1: came up with that cast luminum in patent that technology. So, uh,
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Speaker 1: it's a little bit of different, um, different track you
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Speaker 1: would say, than what I've been doing with xop um.
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Speaker 1: You know, trying to appeal to the masses, get a
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Speaker 1: stand that that is good for everybody. UM, bring that
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Speaker 1: cast luinium technology, you know, at a more affordable price,
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Speaker 1: and just you know kind of as an industry all around. UM.
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Speaker 1: So this is definitely dedicated to more of a mobile
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Speaker 1: style hunter. So what we did is, you know, we
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Speaker 1: have hang on an extet of climbing sticks. But it's
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Speaker 1: more than a hang on climbing sticks. It's a it's
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Speaker 1: a complete system. So UM, it is a hang on
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Speaker 1: that completely eliminates all the little things that we were
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Speaker 1: upset with or didn't work properly or function smoothly on
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Speaker 1: the old models. And it integrates with the climbing sticks
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Speaker 1: everything from you know, transporting your gear too, you know,
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Speaker 1: inefficient up the tree one time to get set up. UM, lightweight,
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Speaker 1: innovative features, so UM, I like to definitely look at
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Speaker 1: it as a system. One of the biggest things on
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Speaker 1: this system is the uh you know, we're calling it
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Speaker 1: like a framepack feature. So what it is is the
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Speaker 1: seat actually locks into the casting and it essentially turns
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Speaker 1: your stand into a framepack. So, UM, it's really cool.
10:19
Speaker 1: You have a nice shelf that can support whatever weight
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Speaker 1: you want to put on it. You can pack game
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Speaker 1: out with it, you can put your extra clothes on it.
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Speaker 1: You can if you're filming, you're a camera guy and
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Speaker 1: you got all that equipment. UM. It gives you a
10:30
Speaker 1: nice dirty shelf to rest your gear on. UM. And
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Speaker 1: when you couple that with the new sticks that actually
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Speaker 1: um plugging together like no other sticks on the market.
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Speaker 1: They actually flush and they mount right to the stand,
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Speaker 1: So you have a nice even, you know, even shelf there, UM,
10:48
Speaker 1: and you're not loading one side of your stand he
10:51
Speaker 1: ord and the other UM. So it makes for just
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Speaker 1: just awesome, awesome transport um and just ultimate like function. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I see that it's seven and a half pounds for
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Speaker 1: the stand, now, is that right? Yep? Yep, The stand
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Speaker 1: total weight to seven a half pounds UM. We got
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Speaker 1: two sets of sticks. We have a full length like
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Speaker 1: a three step um and that is that's right around
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Speaker 1: two pounds at sticks, and then our compact size it's
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Speaker 1: it's a double step that one fits right into the
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Speaker 1: profile to stand and it's like you're, um, you're m'd say,
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe you're more more mobile friendly stick, you
11:29
Speaker 1: know with those guys who really want to get as
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Speaker 1: compact and low profile. And that one was just a
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Speaker 1: pound and a half. Yeah, that's uh, that's really really
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Speaker 1: nice to see. I remember even with gosh, the old
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Speaker 1: assaults that I used to have, those are pretty darn lightweight,
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Speaker 1: and I think those are still like twelve pounds or
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Speaker 1: somewhere around that. So this is quite a quite a
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Speaker 1: chunk of weight and act off that too. So for
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Speaker 1: folks going going really mobile, that seems to be a
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Speaker 1: great option. Now. I've actually kind of added a little
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Speaker 1: bit of a tweak to my mobile set up because
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Speaker 1: I do I do a lot of this to hunt
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Speaker 1: a lot of public land new spots, even on my
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Speaker 1: private private properties. And I started using a saddle this
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Speaker 1: past year and I saw you guys have got a
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Speaker 1: saddle platform to what's the deal of that? Yeah. So,
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Speaker 1: and that's another thing that's kind of been um, you know,
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Speaker 1: the whole I feel like the industry as a whole
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Speaker 1: has been has been climbing and edging back towards this
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Speaker 1: this like um, it almost seems like it's getting more
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Speaker 1: in a mobile type um style than it even was
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Speaker 1: to begin with. You know, I think back then it
12:34
Speaker 1: was like there wasn't mobile hunting. So the introduction of
12:37
Speaker 1: those stands made mobile hunting this thing, or at least
12:41
Speaker 1: more of a thing from semi permanent models. And now
12:44
Speaker 1: it's like a you know that that that circle back
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Speaker 1: to the old way of doing things are a little
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Speaker 1: bit older way. Um. I feel like a lot of
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Speaker 1: things getting stagnant. So along with that, you know, a
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Speaker 1: popular model that Dad had um designed in the Lone
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Speaker 1: Wolf line before he uh licensed all let out to
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Speaker 1: the new company was the Assassin and that was sort
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Speaker 1: of the first of you know, the first of its kind,
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Speaker 1: like it was it was just a new thing, you know,
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Speaker 1: it was there was guys using tree settles a lot,
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Speaker 1: and guys are on footpegs or on light stands and stuff,
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Speaker 1: but there really wasn't a platform designed for those guys.
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Speaker 1: And that's what they did, and it went It went
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Speaker 1: over pretty well, but it was it was I think
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Speaker 1: it was still missed. It was overlooked at that time,
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Speaker 1: and not many people got into it too much. UM
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Speaker 1: And now in the last couple of years we've seen
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Speaker 1: a big influx of just guys going nuts for the
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Speaker 1: saddle type hunting and you know, getting more mobile, trying
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Speaker 1: to get lighter weight. So we found it. You know,
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Speaker 1: we knew that, you know, one of the first stands
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Speaker 1: that we would do and developed along with this lightweight
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Speaker 1: hang on was a saddle platform. And what we have
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Speaker 1: now is essentially designed in the image of the original Assassin,
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Speaker 1: a little lighter weight. It's got the cool, you know,
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Speaker 1: kind of techie look that we got with the new
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Speaker 1: UM you know, water jetting material, all solid, solid aluminum,
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Speaker 1: and it just it's mean, it looks really me and
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Speaker 1: it's got a lot of extra extra function than the
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Speaker 1: old one did as far as you know, perimitive grips
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Speaker 1: and you know, more leveling, just as solid. It's just
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Speaker 1: uh so that was definitely something we knew we wanted
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Speaker 1: in the line UM just to kind of um not
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Speaker 1: only accommodate the guys hunting like we are like me
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Speaker 1: personal and I don't use saddles. I just I'm so
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Speaker 1: I got my stand set up so dialed in that
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Speaker 1: it's it's just what I love to do. But there's
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Speaker 1: nobody out there that's really designing the highest most you know,
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Speaker 1: the highest quality, you know, best products for those those
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Speaker 1: mobile guys. So we wanted to get that every angle. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and I'm excited to see that. I know, um more
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Speaker 1: and more people are trying to find different platform options
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Speaker 1: for those saddles, and I know some guys are actually
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Speaker 1: taking low wolf tree stands seats and modding those to
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Speaker 1: become like d I y platforms. And I guess some
15:06
Speaker 1: folks that that works. Although I don't know how safe
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Speaker 1: it is. I'm not saying I would recommend it, but
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Speaker 1: it seems like a real platform designed to be a platform,
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Speaker 1: like you guys are doing. That's probably the safer, uh,
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Speaker 1: safer options. So it's it's good to see you guys
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Speaker 1: are putting something like that out there. Yeah, yeah, I
15:21
Speaker 1: agree to. You know, it's it's you know, not that
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Speaker 1: the not that the seat the tree stand seats aren't strong,
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Speaker 1: but you know, they're just they're just not designed for
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Speaker 1: that you know, they're they're designed to be a seat,
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Speaker 1: They're not designed to have you know, all that weight
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Speaker 1: being pivoted off the side. So, um, I think this
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Speaker 1: is gonna give you know, and to aout the same time,
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Speaker 1: I feel people like kind of tinkering with stuff and
15:42
Speaker 1: doing their own custom designs. I think this stand is
15:44
Speaker 1: going to give a guy, you know, just a really
15:47
Speaker 1: awesome advantage being able to buy a stand that designed
15:50
Speaker 1: for that purpose, that will work in the scenarios that
15:53
Speaker 1: they're using it. Um and also to you know, we've
15:56
Speaker 1: we've made this stand now integrate with our new Compact
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Speaker 1: climbing stick, so it may sure like the ultimate little
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Speaker 1: little set up. You know, you've got to You've got
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Speaker 1: your your Compact sticks on your saddle platform and you
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Speaker 1: just kind of you know, you're all set up at
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Speaker 1: that point. Yeah, I think those new sticks are something
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna try out here soon because as I've been
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Speaker 1: tweaking my mobile set up, trying to get more and
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Speaker 1: more lightweight, I've still been using the old sticks. I've
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Speaker 1: got a couple of different pairs from maybe eight nine
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Speaker 1: years ago now, and it seems like there's there's definitely
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Speaker 1: some options that are significantly improved, this being this being
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Speaker 1: one of those. So I'm excited what you guys are
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Speaker 1: up to, Cody. Um, it looks like some really cool things.
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Speaker 1: And I guess before we move on the main thing, Um,
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Speaker 1: I do want to spend a lot of time you're
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Speaker 1: talking about is is why you and your dad are
16:43
Speaker 1: so well equipped to put products with this together, because
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Speaker 1: of your hunting success. But if people do want to
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Speaker 1: learn some more about the new gear you guys are out,
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Speaker 1: where can they find that online? Uh, you can go
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Speaker 1: to www. Dot lone Wolf custom Gear dot com. Um
16:59
Speaker 1: that has you know, a lot of info on all
17:01
Speaker 1: the new products, products to come. Um, we are still
17:04
Speaker 1: populating that website. You know, it's kind of a it's
17:06
Speaker 1: a process and we're still you know, working on all
17:08
Speaker 1: the final models. We're going to open up you know,
17:11
Speaker 1: a lot more information here in the next couple of weeks. Um,
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Speaker 1: But you can get some good infro there. You can
17:15
Speaker 1: sign up for the newsletter and figure out you know,
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Speaker 1: get any inside in scoop um and all the new products. Awesome.
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Speaker 1: All right, So your dad started lone Wolf. He I
17:27
Speaker 1: think that it was basically him who started whitetail addiction
17:30
Speaker 1: TV two and had a lot of folks that kind
17:33
Speaker 1: of learned from him as far as you know how
17:36
Speaker 1: to hunt, like Adam Hayes people like that that. I
17:38
Speaker 1: think a lot of us know about today. See, I
17:40
Speaker 1: feel like there's a lot of history that you probably
17:44
Speaker 1: grew up around. Um, with the things that your dad
17:48
Speaker 1: was doing. How did that impact How did that impact
17:54
Speaker 1: why you hunt? I'm sure there's a lot of ways
17:56
Speaker 1: that impacted how you hunt, But growing up in that,
17:59
Speaker 1: how do you feel like that effects like your y
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Speaker 1: still now? Um? I it's a good question. Um, I
18:08
Speaker 1: guess going back to the beginning, I mean, you know,
18:10
Speaker 1: coming coming up in that sort of circumstance, I think
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Speaker 1: you know, into that to that point, like you mentioned,
18:15
Speaker 1: I I got into hunting right when you know, kind
18:19
Speaker 1: of the cuss or the white tail addictions. Um, you
18:23
Speaker 1: know started being being a thing, you know, right when
18:26
Speaker 1: filming your Hunt's got was getting more popular and all that.
18:28
Speaker 1: So you know when I had a bowl in my hand,
18:30
Speaker 1: I uh, um, you know from the start, there was
18:33
Speaker 1: always a camera on me and it was kind of
18:35
Speaker 1: it's kind of weird at first, um, But honestly, to
18:40
Speaker 1: tell you the truth, I think at first it sort
18:42
Speaker 1: of turned me off, you know, being uh, I guess
18:48
Speaker 1: you know in a in a in a sense having
18:50
Speaker 1: such a big shoes. Um, it was maybe you know
18:54
Speaker 1: a little bit here and there. I didn't really didn't
18:56
Speaker 1: really get bit by the ball at first, and it
18:58
Speaker 1: wasn't pressured into it. So um, once I did become
19:04
Speaker 1: just obsessed with the sport. And I I've seen that,
19:07
Speaker 1: you know, I developed that passion that I've seen all
19:10
Speaker 1: these other guys that I was always surrounded by coming
19:14
Speaker 1: up and not people that I came up with, but
19:16
Speaker 1: you know, just Dad, the guys he hunted with, like
19:18
Speaker 1: you mentioned, and and um, I think that's when I
19:21
Speaker 1: really just kind of went, you know, went full bore
19:26
Speaker 1: and you know, being being competitive. My you know, I
19:30
Speaker 1: always had that urge like you know, I gotta well,
19:33
Speaker 1: I gotta get it done, you know, So it was, um,
19:37
Speaker 1: sort of just a I don't know, I don't know
19:41
Speaker 1: if I'm even asked answer the question. I think it's
19:45
Speaker 1: a tough one because I feel like it's one of
19:47
Speaker 1: those questions that a lot of us don't really have
19:50
Speaker 1: to think about very often, because why do you hunt
19:53
Speaker 1: what we just hunt? Because it's what we do, it's
19:54
Speaker 1: what we love. Um, So it's it is kind of
19:58
Speaker 1: surprising sometimes to sit back and try to think of
20:00
Speaker 1: but I thought it might be interesting just giving kind
20:03
Speaker 1: of the context that you came up in, I mean
20:06
Speaker 1: to what you know. Oh sorry, yeah, you know, I
20:10
Speaker 1: was even gonna say. You know, I think I really
20:13
Speaker 1: think too that like the guys who are really into it,
20:15
Speaker 1: I think there's something inside you man, like it's it's
20:17
Speaker 1: one of those it's one of those primal things I think,
20:20
Speaker 1: just to you know, to when you start doing it
20:23
Speaker 1: and like we were just talking, you know before we're
20:24
Speaker 1: on the phone, and you know, those those close encounters
20:27
Speaker 1: and you know, um, you know kind of just giving
20:31
Speaker 1: it to your all and and figuring out the pieces
20:33
Speaker 1: of the puzzle and making it happen, and uh, you know,
20:37
Speaker 1: especially with a with a bow, you know. And I
20:40
Speaker 1: think it's there's a certain type of person, certain type
20:43
Speaker 1: of mind that maybe like clicks with that more or
20:46
Speaker 1: or loves it more and gets gets more kind of
20:49
Speaker 1: infatuated and obsessed with that that experience and that sport.
20:54
Speaker 1: So I think a lot of it's got to do
20:55
Speaker 1: it just uh, I think it's in you too. You
20:58
Speaker 1: know that that chess match, it just can can just
21:03
Speaker 1: get you going down the down the pipe and you
21:06
Speaker 1: can't stop. I can definitely relate to that, um So. So,
21:11
Speaker 1: I've been kind of keeping tabs on what you've been
21:13
Speaker 1: up to lately and how you hunt, because, you know,
21:18
Speaker 1: without needing to refer back to you guy too much,
21:20
Speaker 1: he's someone I was paying attention to you for a
21:21
Speaker 1: long time. And then when I saw that you were
21:24
Speaker 1: doing some of the same things but doing him in
21:26
Speaker 1: your own way and having a ton of success, that
21:28
Speaker 1: was that was really intriguing to me. Um So, I
21:31
Speaker 1: guess I think I've got an idea of this in
21:34
Speaker 1: my own head, but I want to hear it from you.
21:36
Speaker 1: Let's imagine you were like on an elevator and you're
21:39
Speaker 1: going from the fourth first floor to the tenth floor,
21:42
Speaker 1: and someone on the elevator asks you to describe how
21:46
Speaker 1: you hunt, like your hunting style, and you just have
21:49
Speaker 1: like the one minute it's gonna take to go from
21:51
Speaker 1: the first floor to the tenth floor. How would you
21:54
Speaker 1: narrow down and describe your basic hunting style in that
21:57
Speaker 1: one minute? If you had to kind of get it
22:00
Speaker 1: down to the most essential I would definitely say, um,
22:06
Speaker 1: aggressive or you know, I'm trying to think of words
22:10
Speaker 1: like aggressive, consistent, you know, um, uh you know, UM,
22:16
Speaker 1: I guess it's the biggest thing I would say that
22:20
Speaker 1: I've learned, you know, throughout the years and and stuff
22:23
Speaker 1: that I've taken from Dad, stuff that I've learned on
22:25
Speaker 1: my own, is that make your own luck. Luck is not.
22:30
Speaker 1: I mean, you can get lucky, but if you if
22:33
Speaker 1: you go out in the woods and you think yourself, Okay,
22:35
Speaker 1: I need to make this happen like that, don't let
22:38
Speaker 1: anything come to you, you know, bring yourself to that situation.
22:41
Speaker 1: That would be like, how that's how I look at
22:43
Speaker 1: it every time, you know, Okay, hey, I could sit
22:45
Speaker 1: on this field as you wait, but I'm not gonna
22:48
Speaker 1: do that. It's not I'm not I'm an impatient person,
22:50
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like, Okay, I need to find this.
22:52
Speaker 1: I need to find what's going on. I need to
22:54
Speaker 1: get myself in the right spot so I can get
22:56
Speaker 1: so I can get the job done. So, UM, I
22:59
Speaker 1: would definitely think, uh, you know, more of aggressive kind
23:03
Speaker 1: of go go go style and just the opposite of
23:08
Speaker 1: the opposite of lazy. Yeah, yeah, I heard you. I
23:11
Speaker 1: heard you want to another interview say that you don't
23:15
Speaker 1: get out just to get out, like you're never ever
23:17
Speaker 1: gonna sit somewhere just well it's a it's a Saturday,
23:19
Speaker 1: I can hunt. Someone's gonna sit in this tree and
23:21
Speaker 1: hunt and see what happens. It sounds like that is
23:22
Speaker 1: never what you're doing. You are always hunting somewhere for
23:26
Speaker 1: a very specific reason at a very specific time because
23:29
Speaker 1: you think you're gonna kill right then and there is that?
23:31
Speaker 1: Is that an accurate summary? Yeah? Now, I mean I
23:35
Speaker 1: that right there, that is the goal, you know, going
23:37
Speaker 1: into the season, I tell myself, Okay, you know you
23:39
Speaker 1: need to be on it, you know. And I'm not
23:41
Speaker 1: going to say that I've never sat somewhere that I
23:43
Speaker 1: didn't you know. You know, there's there's definitely times that
23:47
Speaker 1: that I have gotten into a tree for no reason
23:50
Speaker 1: and just sat there to be out and I was like, well,
23:52
Speaker 1: you know, you're not gonna kill and if you're not
23:53
Speaker 1: out here, you know, And then I sort of smack
23:55
Speaker 1: myself in the face and it's like, you could be
23:57
Speaker 1: doing way more than this to to you know, be successful,
24:00
Speaker 1: to just you know, get down and go go look
24:02
Speaker 1: around or or you know, start some eyes in the
24:04
Speaker 1: game plan. So um, it's just like the whole thing
24:08
Speaker 1: with what kind of you know, when we talk about mobile.
24:12
Speaker 1: It happens to me all the time. I'm not gonna
24:14
Speaker 1: say it doesn't. Sometimes I do get I get caught
24:17
Speaker 1: up in old stuff, or I get caught up in
24:19
Speaker 1: and waiting, and then as soon as I I'm just
24:22
Speaker 1: really good at checking myself out of it, you know,
24:24
Speaker 1: and noticing when I'm doing those things, and I immediately changed.
24:28
Speaker 1: So um, to to your point, Yes, I want to
24:31
Speaker 1: be in every time. I understand. I want to know
24:34
Speaker 1: that that you know, either the deer I'm after or
24:37
Speaker 1: a good deal that I think is you know, in
24:39
Speaker 1: that area, could die, you know. And if I'm not
24:42
Speaker 1: in that spot, I just you know, because I think
24:44
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it's it's like a lot
24:46
Speaker 1: of it's mine too. And if you're not in that spot,
24:51
Speaker 1: and it may sound sound wacky, but you're sitting there
24:53
Speaker 1: and you're you know, it's just if you're all negative
24:55
Speaker 1: in that stand, like, I just don't think anything is
24:57
Speaker 1: good that's gonna come from that, you know. I mean,
24:59
Speaker 1: you know some people, you know, I mean, it does
25:02
Speaker 1: happen sometimes, But I think those guys who are getting
25:05
Speaker 1: you know, that luck and just by a chance killing
25:07
Speaker 1: a good one are just it's a completely different, you know,
25:11
Speaker 1: different story. Yeah. Now, I gotta I gotta imagine that
25:15
Speaker 1: in order to be able to put yourself in those
25:16
Speaker 1: kinds of positions during hunting season where you're that confident
25:19
Speaker 1: about being in the right spot for a specific deer
25:22
Speaker 1: for a specific reason, I imagine there's got to be
25:25
Speaker 1: a lot of work that leads up to that moment
25:27
Speaker 1: that makes it possible. A lot of scouting and stuff. Um,
25:30
Speaker 1: we're you know, we're right now talking in late January.
25:34
Speaker 1: Postseason scouting is obviously a hot thing as we get
25:38
Speaker 1: here into February, March, April is snow starts melting, different
25:42
Speaker 1: things like that. Can you kind of walk me through
25:44
Speaker 1: what kinds of things you're gonna be doing in the
25:46
Speaker 1: coming months to start laying that foundation? What like specifically
25:50
Speaker 1: are you doing? Um? I definitely, I definitely do a
25:53
Speaker 1: lot of shed hunting. You don't. And but to be honest,
25:56
Speaker 1: even like shedheim, you know, I'll look around, I take
25:59
Speaker 1: no um A lot of times I shed hunt pieces
26:02
Speaker 1: that I already hunt, so I already kind of know
26:04
Speaker 1: what was going on late season, I know what was
26:05
Speaker 1: going on early season. Um, and I honestly hardly ever
26:09
Speaker 1: hunt shed hunt like new pieces. Um. I think that
26:13
Speaker 1: would that would definitely help me, and I'd definitely be
26:15
Speaker 1: looking at, you know, all the sign that happened during
26:17
Speaker 1: season on those shed hunts where the horns are. I've
26:22
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of good things of you know,
26:24
Speaker 1: killing deer where you find their sheds. I've never really
26:28
Speaker 1: personally correlated anything specific to that, like, I mean, you know,
26:32
Speaker 1: I find I know a lot of guys who they
26:34
Speaker 1: use that as a big piece of the puzzle. Um,
26:36
Speaker 1: when I'm looking for sheds, I'm more so looking at
26:39
Speaker 1: trying to get okay this year. You know he's gonna
26:43
Speaker 1: probably be a shooter next year. You know the area
26:46
Speaker 1: he's in late season, I'll probably surmize that much. But I, um,
26:50
Speaker 1: you know, I've as far as late season and this time,
26:54
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean picking up horns, I guess, uh,
26:57
Speaker 1: you know, I always take note of where or do
27:00
Speaker 1: your feeding and fields where I see them when it's
27:02
Speaker 1: really extremely cold out where you know, all that kind
27:04
Speaker 1: of stuff. I mean, you know, trails pop up. You've
27:06
Speaker 1: got highways that start when you've got deek snows and
27:08
Speaker 1: and and those sort of things. But as the snow melts, um,
27:13
Speaker 1: I think it's a really good picture before it greens
27:15
Speaker 1: up and everything becomes just you know, covered up to
27:18
Speaker 1: see what happened that late last season. If that's if
27:20
Speaker 1: that's the stuff you're looking for? Yes, so so is
27:23
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff you're looking for? Or maybe what
27:27
Speaker 1: I should say is when is the most important sign
27:29
Speaker 1: for you? Like when do you really try to scout?
27:31
Speaker 1: Is it just as soon as as soon as i
27:34
Speaker 1: get the bowl my hand and I'm ready to kill
27:35
Speaker 1: something that's like my um, I've and and it it
27:40
Speaker 1: might be different than a lot of other people and
27:42
Speaker 1: how they go about things, but I I've went through
27:47
Speaker 1: in the in the years of of like i'd say,
27:50
Speaker 1: come coming into my own as like as a hunter
27:52
Speaker 1: and really figuring out my own style and how I
27:55
Speaker 1: do things. I tried to do a lot of summer scouting.
27:59
Speaker 1: I tried to do, you know, and I've you know,
28:03
Speaker 1: all those things like you know, I was out there,
28:05
Speaker 1: you know, setting up stands after the season or you
28:09
Speaker 1: know to where I've seen you know, good bucks in
28:11
Speaker 1: that area, um, late season, and they're like, oh, this
28:15
Speaker 1: this is a really good spot late season. You know,
28:17
Speaker 1: let me just have to stand there. I'll go find
28:19
Speaker 1: where they're you know, a nice hot creek crossing in
28:22
Speaker 1: the middle of summer, and I set up the stands
28:23
Speaker 1: on there and into whereas I killed good deer you know,
28:27
Speaker 1: the following year. And it definitely helped. I think it.
28:31
Speaker 1: I honestly think it. It hurts just it helped to
28:34
Speaker 1: know general patterns and stuff up the land, but it
28:39
Speaker 1: never really paid off like it does for me walking
28:44
Speaker 1: into the woods. As soon as I know that I
28:47
Speaker 1: can go figure something out, as soon as I know
28:49
Speaker 1: I can really go after something, finding out what is
28:53
Speaker 1: going on at that exact second. You know, I've I've
28:56
Speaker 1: I've I've hung stands late season on deer before and
28:59
Speaker 1: those deer now remain it next year. And you know,
29:01
Speaker 1: so a stand that I was banking on thinking about
29:04
Speaker 1: last year, Oh that you know that Big eight was
29:06
Speaker 1: split in two was coming out here last year, He's
29:08
Speaker 1: probably gonna be around here. You know. I'd make all
29:10
Speaker 1: these you know, I'd surmise all these uh you know
29:14
Speaker 1: things that I was thinking. I was like Okay, he's
29:15
Speaker 1: probably gonna be right here, and I I'd be figuring
29:18
Speaker 1: it out. And I just think that I was getting
29:19
Speaker 1: ahead of my I think I was helping myself for
29:22
Speaker 1: next season. And then next season would come and you
29:24
Speaker 1: know that deer might have you know, not not made.
29:27
Speaker 1: It might have got a racking faction, or he just
29:28
Speaker 1: wasn't there for some reason. I got poached or you know,
29:30
Speaker 1: into where uh, and then you know, the summer signed.
29:34
Speaker 1: You know, all these deer are frequent in this well.
29:36
Speaker 1: As soon as they come in a heart antler, I mean, boom,
29:38
Speaker 1: the pattern changes. They're eating something different there. You know,
29:41
Speaker 1: they got more testas when running through them. They're just
29:44
Speaker 1: not as lax of there in summer months. So I
29:46
Speaker 1: just really started focusing on you know, I take that
29:50
Speaker 1: stuff into account and I and I do it here
29:52
Speaker 1: and there. But like to me, it's like, you know,
29:55
Speaker 1: it's like sitting at that race, you know, and when
29:57
Speaker 1: that freaking gun gets fired, that's when I'm like, boom,
30:00
Speaker 1: what is going on? Where's it happening? Now? How do
30:03
Speaker 1: I kill something? You know? I try not to think
30:06
Speaker 1: about that stuff. Well, yeah, they were there late season,
30:08
Speaker 1: but who gives a ship. You know that deer was
30:10
Speaker 1: here in the you know, in the summer, I was
30:12
Speaker 1: getting I got pictures on the velvet at all, you know,
30:14
Speaker 1: I hear that from a lot of guys. I gotta
30:17
Speaker 1: have pictures, pictures of them all the summer. I velt
30:19
Speaker 1: right here and they're hunting right there when the season opens.
30:22
Speaker 1: Instead of going to look for a sign, figuring out
30:24
Speaker 1: exactly where that there is now, well I stopp getting
30:26
Speaker 1: picture them three weeks ago. Well white you hunting there?
30:29
Speaker 1: You know. I mean so a lot of people just
30:31
Speaker 1: get caught up. And I might sound like a broken record,
30:34
Speaker 1: but on the past, um, I think it's very important
30:39
Speaker 1: to to take things in here, take things in the
30:41
Speaker 1: now and just figure them out. And if you find
30:43
Speaker 1: out what's going on now is what was going on
30:47
Speaker 1: in the past, well whatever that you know, then then
30:50
Speaker 1: you're right. You know. Then you've you've checked your work.
30:53
Speaker 1: You know, you're not you're not just banking on past sign.
30:57
Speaker 1: You know, if if you go check it and it says, oh,
31:00
Speaker 1: yet this deer is still doing what he was doing
31:01
Speaker 1: in the summer, well then so be it. Go kill him,
31:03
Speaker 1: you know, But but what if he's not you know
31:05
Speaker 1: why you know why I commit to that. So, um,
31:09
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like I might what we
31:11
Speaker 1: even went off on a tangent. But but that's sort
31:13
Speaker 1: of sort of how I feel about the um a
31:16
Speaker 1: lot of the summer stuff. And another thing too, I
31:18
Speaker 1: I really do think that these deer um, well no,
31:24
Speaker 1: I don't think. I know, these deer make bigger gains, um,
31:29
Speaker 1: And they're more susceptible to be killed if you leave
31:31
Speaker 1: him alone and you're not trumping through the piece that
31:35
Speaker 1: you're planning on hunting and you're not doing a lot
31:37
Speaker 1: of that. Although I think they might take a little
31:40
Speaker 1: bit more of that at that point in time because
31:42
Speaker 1: it's not so you know, I think the summer there,
31:45
Speaker 1: everything is more relaxed. Nothing's really like you know, being
31:48
Speaker 1: hunted or whatever. But um, I do think that's a
31:51
Speaker 1: big thing as well. And it's a big advantage too,
31:54
Speaker 1: like if you know, if you know you've got some
31:55
Speaker 1: good deer on the fort of your hunting, stayed hell
31:58
Speaker 1: out of it. I mean you let them let them
32:01
Speaker 1: have that, let them let them hang out, let them
32:03
Speaker 1: let them grow their racks and the stress for the environment,
32:06
Speaker 1: you know, and then boom, I just I jump in
32:07
Speaker 1: there right as soon as I can kill them, I
32:09
Speaker 1: figure out where they're going, where they're betting, you know,
32:11
Speaker 1: I try at least, and then you know, you have
32:13
Speaker 1: that element of surprise instead of you know, throughout the
32:17
Speaker 1: summer you're in there trimming stuff, you're leaving cent, You're
32:20
Speaker 1: you're walking around, You're bumping the deer. You know, you're
32:22
Speaker 1: you're putting unnecessary stress on those deer um, you know,
32:27
Speaker 1: before it's time. It's it's it's almost like kind of
32:30
Speaker 1: showing your cards a little bit, uh in a in
32:32
Speaker 1: a poker game, you know, I mean, like, why why
32:35
Speaker 1: do it? That's the kind of that's that's the that's
32:37
Speaker 1: the mentality I take into it personally. And I and
32:40
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, I know guys that that scout
32:44
Speaker 1: the piss out of their property and summer they kill
32:45
Speaker 1: good bucks every year. So I'm not saying it's not
32:48
Speaker 1: the it's just the way I you know, the way
32:50
Speaker 1: I kind of look at it. But so so that
32:52
Speaker 1: makes sense. But then my immediate next question, though, is
32:57
Speaker 1: how do you do that kind of scouting to figure
33:02
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff out during the season without
33:05
Speaker 1: having the same negative impact that you talked about in
33:07
Speaker 1: the summer. So how do you get in there learn
33:10
Speaker 1: this stuff without spooking those deer out right then and
33:12
Speaker 1: there when you actually can hunt them. Um, I feel
33:15
Speaker 1: like that's the big like balancing act I imagine you
33:18
Speaker 1: have to handle. So in the answer to that is,
33:21
Speaker 1: I don't care. I know that right when I go
33:24
Speaker 1: in there, I will be setting up a stand that
33:27
Speaker 1: time and I will be waiting for that dear. So
33:29
Speaker 1: I don't that completely. That doesn't even enter my mind.
33:33
Speaker 1: You know that that thought processes. You know a lot
33:35
Speaker 1: of guys, Oh, I don't want to go in there
33:36
Speaker 1: because because I'm gonna ruin it. Well, I don't think
33:39
Speaker 1: like that. I go in there, Well, I have to
33:40
Speaker 1: go in there because I want to kill him. Because
33:42
Speaker 1: I want to kill that deer. Now to that to
33:44
Speaker 1: that point, you know, if I know there's a if
33:47
Speaker 1: I'll look at arials, I'll surmise where I think if
33:50
Speaker 1: a deer was in that area where you come out
33:52
Speaker 1: speed you know or whatnot, And I you know, I'm
33:56
Speaker 1: not going to go trump right in there the first day.
33:58
Speaker 1: I mean, you can find out a lot by you know,
34:01
Speaker 1: scouting an edge where you know, you know deer aren't
34:03
Speaker 1: betting or edge of a food source and hanging a stand, um,
34:06
Speaker 1: and you know, damn well, you can be in a
34:08
Speaker 1: spot where you can kill him. But my mentality on
34:11
Speaker 1: that is simply, well, as soon as he finds me out,
34:14
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in a position to kill him. So
34:15
Speaker 1: I don't care, right because when he's when he's having
34:19
Speaker 1: that aha moment, you're slipping an arrow of if there
34:21
Speaker 1: was that's that's kind of the you know that that's
34:25
Speaker 1: definitely the uh, the game plan, you know, I mean,
34:29
Speaker 1: if if if you can sneak in there, um and uh,
34:33
Speaker 1: you know, I mean think about it. That dear has
34:37
Speaker 1: never been tipped off of you. You you haven't been
34:40
Speaker 1: scouting that place, you haven't been leaving any he's been.
34:42
Speaker 1: He's been there, you know, doing his thing the whole time.
34:46
Speaker 1: You come in, you find him and you're immediately hunting
34:49
Speaker 1: him instead of coming in finding the spot. You scout around,
34:52
Speaker 1: Oh man, this would be a good spot, and then
34:53
Speaker 1: you hang a stand. You know, you leave it. That
34:56
Speaker 1: deer might even start to kind of straightler from that area,
35:00
Speaker 1: or at least I think that, you know, if you're
35:02
Speaker 1: doing that stuff months before the season, and you're you're
35:04
Speaker 1: going in there, and then a lot of guys will
35:06
Speaker 1: hang camera. It's like right on there there standing thing
35:08
Speaker 1: that they hung and then they'd be checking those even
35:10
Speaker 1: though they only check them like once a month. But
35:12
Speaker 1: any any messing around in there, I just think, you know, if, if,
35:16
Speaker 1: and even if you know he's there, if I know
35:17
Speaker 1: he's there, I'll get the hell out. I won't trim
35:19
Speaker 1: a damn thing, I won't hang a stand, I won't
35:21
Speaker 1: set a camera there if I know, what do I
35:24
Speaker 1: need five pictures of him for? If I know he's there,
35:26
Speaker 1: and I plan on killing the opening with the season.
35:28
Speaker 1: So that's that's just the kind of way I look
35:30
Speaker 1: at things. I don't, you know, it's I don't know.
35:34
Speaker 1: I also I don't know if that makes sense, but
35:38
Speaker 1: but it does, I hope so so so I know
35:41
Speaker 1: you kill the buck this past season on I think
35:43
Speaker 1: it was October twelve, maybe um was that hunt the
35:49
Speaker 1: way that things led up to it. Was that a
35:51
Speaker 1: good example of what you're describing here, And if so,
35:54
Speaker 1: could you actually walk us through, like from October one
35:56
Speaker 1: through October twelve, what you did each hunt leading up
36:00
Speaker 1: to that kill. Finally, I'm kind of curious to hear
36:02
Speaker 1: if you, like you knew about him, you made a
36:04
Speaker 1: move on. I tell her first it wasn't quite right.
36:06
Speaker 1: You tweaked it again. I made another move? Is that
36:08
Speaker 1: is that kind of what happened that this year? This year? Um,
36:12
Speaker 1: definitely is in the typical fashion of how I normally hunt.
36:15
Speaker 1: I killed him in the in the timber, you know,
36:17
Speaker 1: on the way back to his bed, after figuring out
36:19
Speaker 1: where he betted. But as far as a clear, clean
36:22
Speaker 1: example of what was going on and in like an
36:25
Speaker 1: early season and not messing up the property, um, it
36:29
Speaker 1: might not be the best example. I have other deers
36:31
Speaker 1: that are like perfect. You know, you can you can
36:33
Speaker 1: uh line up the story, you know, um, day by day.
36:37
Speaker 1: This one was more so I had no idea where
36:40
Speaker 1: he was. I was more so focused on a different
36:43
Speaker 1: side of property. Um. You know it. It actually showcases
36:48
Speaker 1: maybe another lesson to be learned, you know. I I
36:51
Speaker 1: knew there was a good buck on a different different area.
36:54
Speaker 1: I was hunting a different area of the majority of
36:57
Speaker 1: the beginning of season, you know, and I was hunting
37:00
Speaker 1: this deer and hunting this deer, and you know, it's
37:03
Speaker 1: one of those things where sometimes you can't, you know,
37:07
Speaker 1: you can't allow yourself to be that pinned out. So I,
37:10
Speaker 1: you know, started started branching out and started looking in
37:12
Speaker 1: different areas instead of just hammering home on the same
37:15
Speaker 1: exact area. You know, if if you have that opportunity. Now,
37:19
Speaker 1: I didn't know this buck per se, you know, It's
37:21
Speaker 1: just it was more so like, hey, this is this
37:23
Speaker 1: is a good buck that I would kill, you know,
37:26
Speaker 1: not like, hey this is the buck that I want
37:27
Speaker 1: to kill. So you knew that based stuff of what
37:30
Speaker 1: off of like big rubs you saw or like in
37:32
Speaker 1: past years you saw you know, this one, this one
37:36
Speaker 1: I had a I actually had a trail camera um
37:39
Speaker 1: out on a on a field edge, UM in a
37:41
Speaker 1: position to where I like it was a it was
37:44
Speaker 1: a spot on the field edge that it's it's a
37:46
Speaker 1: primary scrape every year. You know. It wasn't it obviously
37:49
Speaker 1: wasn't scraped when I hung in the camera. But I
37:51
Speaker 1: knew that as soon as that season will start rolling around,
37:54
Speaker 1: I would have you know, that thing would be starting
37:56
Speaker 1: to get shredded up. They shred their velvet in this area.
37:58
Speaker 1: I've seen it, you know years before ars and they
38:00
Speaker 1: started just raking the seacre tree. It's a it's a big,
38:02
Speaker 1: overhanging seedar tree on the edge of the crop field.
38:04
Speaker 1: So I just had that camera out there, knowing that
38:07
Speaker 1: you know, hey, I'll probably get it, you know, at
38:09
Speaker 1: least a bit of inventory, you know, come when the
38:13
Speaker 1: season opens and see if there's anything that that's you know,
38:15
Speaker 1: we're shooting here. So I ended up getting one picture
38:19
Speaker 1: of this deer, which immediately gave me some information, even
38:23
Speaker 1: on that fact that there was only one picture of him.
38:25
Speaker 1: But there was a picture of him, and it wasn't
38:27
Speaker 1: the best picture, but I was looking at it, I'm like, okay,
38:29
Speaker 1: you know that that that deer will probably do. Let me,
38:31
Speaker 1: let me, let me try and find them, you know.
38:33
Speaker 1: Then I um, but to that point, that was a
38:36
Speaker 1: couple of days before season, and I checked that camera,
38:38
Speaker 1: and then I started to surmising my game plan. Um,
38:41
Speaker 1: you know, I started hunting for that deer before I
38:46
Speaker 1: even knew about this other this this book that I
38:48
Speaker 1: ended up killing. Um. But as soon as I found
38:51
Speaker 1: out about that book, you know, then I just or
38:54
Speaker 1: even before I found out about that book, this deer
38:57
Speaker 1: was was proven, you know, I mean, he was definitely
39:00
Speaker 1: had a long he was traveling a long ways, and
39:02
Speaker 1: I was, I was, you know, trying to get at that,
39:05
Speaker 1: and then I just decided, Hey, you know, I'm gonna
39:08
Speaker 1: I'm gonna actually gonna increase my odds here. And I
39:10
Speaker 1: started looking at other places as well, because you know,
39:13
Speaker 1: I didn't know, I didn't know where that buck was at,
39:15
Speaker 1: I didn't know how often he was freaking that area. Um,
39:17
Speaker 1: I had to dive in right away and started trying
39:19
Speaker 1: to figure out those things. But at the same time,
39:22
Speaker 1: I knew I wasn't gonna pin myself down and spend
39:25
Speaker 1: the entire season right on that spot where I got
39:27
Speaker 1: the camera picture, just because you know, I am trying
39:30
Speaker 1: not to take that for um two specific either, just
39:34
Speaker 1: like a single picture on a camera. So so okay,
39:38
Speaker 1: so you how many times did you actually hunt in
39:42
Speaker 1: the area where he ended up killing that buck? Actually
39:44
Speaker 1: like thinking, okay, I'm gonna try to kill the good
39:46
Speaker 1: buck that's in this area. How many hunts did it
39:48
Speaker 1: take till you actually had to happen? So can you
39:55
Speaker 1: tell me about the first and why? So? So this one,
40:00
Speaker 1: this one, like I said, this one is a little
40:02
Speaker 1: bit it's not I wouldn't say, uh, it's a little
40:05
Speaker 1: bit simpler than some of the other ones, and we
40:07
Speaker 1: can dive into something like that, like you said that
40:09
Speaker 1: maybe really rings home on that Nose County. But this
40:12
Speaker 1: this all comes about of like, okay, you know this
40:16
Speaker 1: is a this is the home farm. You know when
40:19
Speaker 1: I do you know, I just know from years that
40:21
Speaker 1: like okay, when when signs popping up here and you know,
40:25
Speaker 1: a deer's you know, I might see it deer feeding
40:27
Speaker 1: in in this area, I immediately start to you know,
40:30
Speaker 1: ring in my head. Okay, well I think he's you know,
40:32
Speaker 1: I make those. It's not like being on a new
40:35
Speaker 1: property and and thinking and having to really go, uh look,
40:39
Speaker 1: so this was just a simple, um, you know, scouting
40:42
Speaker 1: session where you know, I mean I noticed an ice trail,
40:46
Speaker 1: some big tracks I you know, paired debt with you know,
40:49
Speaker 1: seeing a buck out in the field. Um, and I
40:52
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, immediately it was just like, okay, well,
40:55
Speaker 1: I think he's he's either betting, you know, on the
40:57
Speaker 1: backside of this ridge or the one over. So it
40:59
Speaker 1: was like slip up there, check it out. You know.
41:01
Speaker 1: I seemed a good sign on that ridge. I've seen
41:04
Speaker 1: what I you know what I anticipated that nears track
41:06
Speaker 1: was because I went out in the field, you know,
41:07
Speaker 1: looked at it. Um, there were some there were some
41:10
Speaker 1: light rubs popping up, you know, coming in from the
41:13
Speaker 1: corner of this wood lot that I figured he was
41:15
Speaker 1: probably you know, scraping on as he was coming in
41:17
Speaker 1: and out from his from his betting areas. So I
41:19
Speaker 1: just I slipped up on a ridge that, um, you
41:22
Speaker 1: know I've hunted in the past, Um, that I knew
41:25
Speaker 1: would be the perfect ambush point if he was coming
41:27
Speaker 1: in with the wind I had, you know, I mean
41:29
Speaker 1: to to bet in that corner. And I knew in
41:32
Speaker 1: my head that, well, ship, if he's not, if this
41:34
Speaker 1: is another book and this is not him, and I
41:35
Speaker 1: don't kill him this morning, I'll kill him the mile,
41:38
Speaker 1: because I'll go on the next ridge over. And I was,
41:40
Speaker 1: you know, I was just sure in my head that
41:43
Speaker 1: he had to be better in one of those spots.
41:44
Speaker 1: And then if I didn't, if I didn't run into
41:46
Speaker 1: him on that other ridge, well then I had really
41:48
Speaker 1: just started to dissect it and and kind of you know,
41:51
Speaker 1: looking between and see what I was missing, and but
41:54
Speaker 1: end up happening on the first one on the first time,
41:56
Speaker 1: so it was actually the second sit um. But with
42:00
Speaker 1: that being said, you know, I've been I've had properties
42:03
Speaker 1: that have you know, never been on and it's like, okay,
42:07
Speaker 1: you know or haven't been in two to three years,
42:10
Speaker 1: and it's just day one. You get in there, Okay,
42:13
Speaker 1: you've got no no previous information, nothing, and you gotta
42:18
Speaker 1: just figure it out. You gotta you gotta go look
42:21
Speaker 1: for something you know and and then you you know,
42:24
Speaker 1: you move from there. But this one, uh, you know,
42:28
Speaker 1: I feel like the more you hunt, the more you
42:29
Speaker 1: hunt certain farms. Uh. You definitely kind of not only
42:35
Speaker 1: just in general, but you should. You should have an
42:39
Speaker 1: idea of where you're you know, where your dear typically
42:42
Speaker 1: better where you um what previous history coming back to
42:47
Speaker 1: help you for sure? Um, you mentioned the fact that
42:50
Speaker 1: you looked at those tracks. How big I don't know
42:52
Speaker 1: if you actually ever measure or put your hands up
42:54
Speaker 1: to or anything like that, but how big of a
42:56
Speaker 1: track do you need to see to like interest to
42:59
Speaker 1: you to say, oh, yeah, that's that's a big mature buck.
43:02
Speaker 1: I mean, you know I've seen it. It. Uh, it's
43:06
Speaker 1: weird because you know, tracks don't lie. You're gonna have
43:09
Speaker 1: a you know, I've hunted. I've killed good deer on
43:12
Speaker 1: just a single track, on a single trail and really
43:14
Speaker 1: thick stuff and shot him at five yards just sitting
43:17
Speaker 1: on that track, like, well, what the hell was it?
43:19
Speaker 1: This is a big deer. I mean, if it's a
43:21
Speaker 1: you know, if it's a deer, I don't want to
43:23
Speaker 1: shoot well whatever, but it's a big track. Um, so
43:26
Speaker 1: I do like the track thing. Um a four finger track,
43:29
Speaker 1: I think is is a is a tank. Um, there's
43:33
Speaker 1: there's definitely um, you know deer that I've shot that
43:38
Speaker 1: are some of my biggest deer over one seventy that
43:40
Speaker 1: didn't have a big track though, you know. So I
43:42
Speaker 1: mean they're just they're just a younger deer. So you
43:45
Speaker 1: can't but you can't go wrong with with with hunting
43:47
Speaker 1: big tracks if you got if you got big tracks,
43:50
Speaker 1: you got big gear, you got old deer. So I
43:52
Speaker 1: mean it's not nothing wrong. Just here had a pretty
43:54
Speaker 1: good track. I didn't measure it, you know, I just
43:56
Speaker 1: I see it. I'm like, okay, that's a good box.
43:57
Speaker 1: You know it was you know, it was national, um
44:00
Speaker 1: nice and wet. You know. I was thinking real deep
44:02
Speaker 1: into them love. Um it was good side, good size,
44:05
Speaker 1: you know, displayed quite a bit and um, you know,
44:08
Speaker 1: and that leaves me even the rubs I phone. You know,
44:10
Speaker 1: it's not like I phone. You know, trees of this
44:13
Speaker 1: bucks that were you know, twenty inches wide that were
44:16
Speaker 1: just shredded the ship. I mean these are little, um
44:19
Speaker 1: it's a little sapling type trees. Um that I think
44:22
Speaker 1: it was just casual you know, um, you know, regulars
44:25
Speaker 1: bass and stuff like that. So I mean I've hunted, uh,
44:30
Speaker 1: I found areas and and see you the thinks that
44:32
Speaker 1: were just shredded. I mean you'd think the trees and
44:34
Speaker 1: there were freaking huge and then high and all that stuff.
44:38
Speaker 1: And you know, some you know, you gotta figure it out.
44:41
Speaker 1: You know. I've had you know, a hundred thirty five
44:45
Speaker 1: deer and walking like, oh man, you know, you're you're
44:47
Speaker 1: thinking this thing's gotta be hulock like the way this
44:50
Speaker 1: place looks. So I mean a lot of that could
44:52
Speaker 1: be deceiving, but that's where you got to stay on it.
44:54
Speaker 1: And um, I mean when I seen that tra I
44:57
Speaker 1: knew I knew a d percent you know, just we're
45:00
Speaker 1: he was in the field where the track was, you know,
45:02
Speaker 1: where your typically bed, where I thought he'd be bet
45:04
Speaker 1: and it was just you know, it was all there. Um.
45:08
Speaker 1: I feel like that is the secret sauce kind of
45:11
Speaker 1: that a lot of people struggle with. Is you know
45:15
Speaker 1: that maybe they figured out, Okay, I need to be mobile,
45:17
Speaker 1: I need to move in, try to find this hot
45:19
Speaker 1: sign or whatever that's gonna help me know where to
45:21
Speaker 1: hunt right now. UM. But actually saying that is a
45:24
Speaker 1: lot easier than doing it, like knowing this sign that's
45:27
Speaker 1: worth setting up on. UM. So I'm kind of curious
45:30
Speaker 1: you alluded to some other examples of past years where
45:33
Speaker 1: you have kind of done this from the get go,
45:35
Speaker 1: started out early season and worked your way into one. Um.
45:39
Speaker 1: Is there another example you could walk us through where
45:41
Speaker 1: you did that? Um? I'm kind of particularly interested in,
45:44
Speaker 1: like what specific sign led you to do X, which
45:47
Speaker 1: led you to do why which led you to kill
45:49
Speaker 1: that deer? Um? I know you killed an opening day
45:52
Speaker 1: booner back in two thousand and fifteen. Is that a
45:54
Speaker 1: good example of that? Um? Yeah, I mean that's a
45:58
Speaker 1: pretty that was that was a place that I hadn't
46:01
Speaker 1: um hunted in a couple of years. UM, And I
46:04
Speaker 1: was actually, uh, I was on the road, and um,
46:09
Speaker 1: I think it was it was Kansas, and I was
46:11
Speaker 1: talking in Kansas, and I was just and I had
46:13
Speaker 1: never hunted in cancer before, so I was just you know,
46:15
Speaker 1: turning and burning, you know, hunting as much find out
46:18
Speaker 1: as much afore as I could happen and all that stuff.
46:20
Speaker 1: It was real early, it was real hot. Um, there's
46:23
Speaker 1: a lot less sign out there. It was just it
46:25
Speaker 1: was different. It was a whole different ball again when
46:27
Speaker 1: I was used to like thicker more, you know, stuff
46:30
Speaker 1: like that, and I and you know, so opening day
46:33
Speaker 1: I came, you know, so I had already been you
46:36
Speaker 1: know kind of you know in that in that mindset,
46:39
Speaker 1: and then opening day came and I uh literally just
46:43
Speaker 1: went and walked the property. You know, I got the
46:45
Speaker 1: I got the wind of my nose and I just
46:46
Speaker 1: started looking for looking for good sign. So I started,
46:49
Speaker 1: uh you know walking. Um. I actually had to hook
46:53
Speaker 1: her on the back side of the property just so
46:54
Speaker 1: I could you know, have an idea. Um. And I
46:57
Speaker 1: walked through the whole the whole west end of the property. UM.
47:01
Speaker 1: And my goal right when I got there was two Okay,
47:04
Speaker 1: you know I'm gonna I'm gonna go set up a
47:07
Speaker 1: spot that I think I can kill one in the morning,
47:09
Speaker 1: and I'm going to then you know, go hop up
47:13
Speaker 1: hopping a spot for the evening, just to just to
47:15
Speaker 1: see what's going on. So UM, I ended up, you know,
47:18
Speaker 1: coming up, coming up a crick and um, you know,
47:22
Speaker 1: finding a a little rub line, you know, go out
47:26
Speaker 1: the side of the hill. You know, definitely you know,
47:28
Speaker 1: was was picking some interest, but UM, I went more
47:32
Speaker 1: so UM I was trying to I was more so
47:37
Speaker 1: trying to find where I was really trying to kick
47:41
Speaker 1: very here honestly what I was trying to do. Um,
47:43
Speaker 1: And this was normally I think I I think I
47:46
Speaker 1: had about four days. So if I typically would have
47:50
Speaker 1: went there and I was there for as long as
47:52
Speaker 1: it takes there, if I had a couple of weeks,
47:54
Speaker 1: I don't think I would have been this. I would
47:56
Speaker 1: have probably started off and a more of a you know,
48:00
Speaker 1: outside the timber approach. But um, it was one of
48:03
Speaker 1: those things that I didn't have a lot of time,
48:04
Speaker 1: and I knew I only had a few days, so
48:06
Speaker 1: I went with the soul intent you know in my
48:08
Speaker 1: mind to check out a book. So you know, I
48:11
Speaker 1: got the UM, I got to win like I said it,
48:15
Speaker 1: uh you know, in my fever, and started scouting these
48:18
Speaker 1: these uh these ridges and uh now there's a really
48:22
Speaker 1: stick on the map and I've killed deer around it
48:26
Speaker 1: in the past. So it was one of those things where,
48:27
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't know that some stuff was going
48:29
Speaker 1: on here, but I literally ended up able to um
48:33
Speaker 1: sneak up on this buck and I seen him betted.
48:37
Speaker 1: You know, I could see a rack in the you know,
48:39
Speaker 1: he was really sick brier patch. You know, I'm talking
48:42
Speaker 1: like just supernarly, and I've seen him and I'm thinking, okay,
48:46
Speaker 1: all right, well, you know, immediately in my mind, I'm
48:48
Speaker 1: thinking this books dead. So I then purposely, like kind
48:55
Speaker 1: of was even loud about it. I I sort of
48:58
Speaker 1: jog toward him, like just just know, got a sort
49:00
Speaker 1: a jog toward him. Not I didn't sneak up on him.
49:03
Speaker 1: I just you know, I wanted him to know I
49:05
Speaker 1: was there on his own accord and get away safely.
49:07
Speaker 1: So I just I kind of just you know, dragging
49:10
Speaker 1: his direction. Got let me get out of there. I
49:12
Speaker 1: looked around. I found a couple of beds in the
49:15
Speaker 1: spot that he was betted, you know, and I did
49:17
Speaker 1: not think deeper into it. I literally set a stand.
49:19
Speaker 1: I pulled up my phone. I've seen what the wind
49:21
Speaker 1: was going to be the next day, um, and I said, okay,
49:25
Speaker 1: you know it's gonna be a north wind. So I
49:27
Speaker 1: looked at that area where he was at. You know,
49:29
Speaker 1: I found some I found some tracks around there. I've
49:31
Speaker 1: seen kind of some trails that were coming into that.
49:33
Speaker 1: I surmised where I thought he was coming from. And
49:35
Speaker 1: I set a stand up four north wind, and I
49:39
Speaker 1: literally walked out of there. In my mind, okay, well
49:41
Speaker 1: that he is dead tomorrow, let me see if I
49:43
Speaker 1: can find a better one. So I went down, walked
49:46
Speaker 1: across the entire other side of the property. UM. I
49:50
Speaker 1: went to my truck, grabbed another tree stand, and then
49:53
Speaker 1: I went out and I actually hung a stand on
49:56
Speaker 1: the south end of the farm, completely opposite end. I
49:59
Speaker 1: didn't want to mess with anything that Buck I thought
50:01
Speaker 1: was gonna be doing tonight. I said, okay, he's gonna
50:03
Speaker 1: probably go about whatever he's doing in the evening, which
50:05
Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell he's doing in the evening,
50:07
Speaker 1: but I want to be away from him. So I
50:08
Speaker 1: was like, let me go see, let me check the
50:10
Speaker 1: other side of this property and see what I can't
50:12
Speaker 1: get into it. So, um, I found a little good
50:15
Speaker 1: trail through some six CRP betting, and I hung up
50:18
Speaker 1: in a sapling like four ft high and literally and
50:21
Speaker 1: I actually passed up a hundred that night. First sit
50:25
Speaker 1: of just getting out there, walking, getting out a good trail.
50:27
Speaker 1: It was as simple as that good trail, beating the CRP,
50:31
Speaker 1: good tracking it all right, Well this this seems as
50:33
Speaker 1: good as play as any. I'm gonna feel my tech
50:34
Speaker 1: in my morning anyway. So you know that was kind
50:36
Speaker 1: of the thought I had in my mind. Hunted there. Um.
50:40
Speaker 1: You know that one night UM backed out next morning,
50:45
Speaker 1: you know, I came in from the opposite direction due
50:47
Speaker 1: to what the win was doing. I just wanted to
50:49
Speaker 1: have a little bit of a better own access from
50:51
Speaker 1: where I've seen that trail where he was coming through.
50:53
Speaker 1: I didn't want to bump him if he was still
50:55
Speaker 1: on his way there. I got to put in that
50:56
Speaker 1: stand and killed in my seven ten at ten yards.
51:00
Speaker 1: I literally was, you know, ten yards down wind of
51:03
Speaker 1: the bed that I just kicked him up out of.
51:05
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was going to bed in
51:06
Speaker 1: that same spot or he might have betted, you know
51:08
Speaker 1: a little bit down or it was a giant thicket
51:10
Speaker 1: in there, and there were kids everywhere. But I knew that,
51:13
Speaker 1: you know, I just called myself, well if I manipulate
51:16
Speaker 1: you know this area is because as I can, you know,
51:19
Speaker 1: I I'm gonna kill him so and he died. So
51:22
Speaker 1: it's just kind of one of those uh um, those
51:27
Speaker 1: those situations of constantly moving, you know, even even the
51:32
Speaker 1: fact of like I remember talking to Buddy mine He's like,
51:34
Speaker 1: why don't you just jump? And I know, my old man,
51:37
Speaker 1: you should do this a lot like he would have
51:38
Speaker 1: jumped right in that stand when he said it, and
51:41
Speaker 1: you know, just in case that buck with came back, um,
51:45
Speaker 1: and he would have killed him at evening, you know,
51:47
Speaker 1: if he would have came back, I personally, I like, uh,
51:50
Speaker 1: I've had more luck, you know. Um, depending on the
51:54
Speaker 1: temperament of the deer. Like if you bump a deer
51:57
Speaker 1: off his um, his uh his bed and and sometimes
52:01
Speaker 1: you see him and they'll they'll almost like scamper off
52:04
Speaker 1: maybe like fifty yards and stop and look back. That
52:07
Speaker 1: might be a deer You want to be in that
52:09
Speaker 1: stand right away. I mean, if you know he you
52:12
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like he might or I think
52:14
Speaker 1: he might have a little bit more of a easy
52:17
Speaker 1: temperament and be more prone to coming right back and
52:22
Speaker 1: you know, you might kill him. He might come back
52:23
Speaker 1: to bed right in that spot when he when he
52:25
Speaker 1: thinks you's gone. Um, if the deer completely leaves, I'll
52:28
Speaker 1: usually give it, you know, I'll let him sort of.
52:32
Speaker 1: I think there's almost like a like, uh I call
52:37
Speaker 1: it like a beat pattern, you know, like a deer
52:40
Speaker 1: might have a pattern, and a beat pattern. You know
52:43
Speaker 1: if he if he runs into danger, he might resort
52:45
Speaker 1: to a bat pattern. And then you know, when he
52:47
Speaker 1: feels like it's all legit and copsthetic, he might circle
52:50
Speaker 1: back to his normal activities. So I in my head,
52:54
Speaker 1: I'm categories and you know, this deer, I mean, this
52:56
Speaker 1: deer took off. He was gone, I mean, you know,
52:58
Speaker 1: like a bat out of hell. He's in me and ran,
53:02
Speaker 1: you know. So um, I'm thinking, Okay, well I'm gonna
53:05
Speaker 1: let him. He's probably in the bed, bet up somewhere else,
53:08
Speaker 1: you know, God knows where, maybe go about a different
53:11
Speaker 1: evening pattern. But I think he'll probably cycle back through
53:14
Speaker 1: and and come back here. So I gave that one
53:16
Speaker 1: an extra day and it proved h it proved to
53:20
Speaker 1: be the right choice. Man. So this is the infamous
53:23
Speaker 1: bump and dump strategy that um, that I've heard a
53:26
Speaker 1: number of people talk about, but in particular your dad. UM,
53:29
Speaker 1: I think has kind of gained a little notoriety around that. UM.
53:32
Speaker 1: I feel like the kind of the crux of pulling
53:36
Speaker 1: that off seems to be setting up properly for that
53:41
Speaker 1: hunt that next Like, how do you actually set up
53:43
Speaker 1: on the bed. So I'm kind of curious what's going
53:46
Speaker 1: through your mind when you you bump a deer, you
53:49
Speaker 1: know it's a buck you want to shoot, when you
53:51
Speaker 1: make that decision of which tree to set up for.
53:54
Speaker 1: I know you mentioned in this case he looked at
53:56
Speaker 1: the wind direction. UM, but can you pride any more
53:58
Speaker 1: detail as far as you did you try to set
54:00
Speaker 1: up within range of the trail or a specific bed,
54:03
Speaker 1: or did you think about how the buck might approach
54:05
Speaker 1: when he came back the next morning or anything like that.
54:08
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that UM. You know, you know
54:11
Speaker 1: you mentioned the bumping dump, and that's something that you know,
54:14
Speaker 1: I the old Man coined and I think people years
54:17
Speaker 1: ago I thought that was like, you know, something completely crazy,
54:21
Speaker 1: and um, you know that goes along to where some
54:24
Speaker 1: guys like to be in there right away. Um, some
54:27
Speaker 1: guys you know, wait, I've I took what he always
54:30
Speaker 1: did and I you know, not followed it verbatim. But okay,
54:35
Speaker 1: I sort of found on the way and started killing
54:37
Speaker 1: deer where I you know, it almost weren't better for
54:39
Speaker 1: me the other the other way. So with that being said,
54:43
Speaker 1: I didn't start really killing deer with this said for
54:47
Speaker 1: for a while. I mean I I screwed up a
54:49
Speaker 1: more big deer, try and to pull this off. Then,
54:53
Speaker 1: you know, it took a while. And to that point,
54:55
Speaker 1: like you said, you have to where a lot of
54:58
Speaker 1: guys mess up, and I hear it a lot is
55:00
Speaker 1: they'll find these spots, they'll find the deer, they'll kick
55:03
Speaker 1: them off, They'll they'll be in a perfect situation to
55:05
Speaker 1: kind of bring the whole thing home, and they'll they
55:08
Speaker 1: just won't. They won't manipulate the spot. Right. So what
55:12
Speaker 1: I think that comes down to mostly is is really
55:17
Speaker 1: pay attention, look around, don't get um. I think I
55:22
Speaker 1: think the biggest thing is, you know a lot of
55:24
Speaker 1: guys don't really concept the wind direction um, or they
55:28
Speaker 1: think maybe like, well, if I put my centlock soon on,
55:30
Speaker 1: I I should be able to get on, get anywhere
55:33
Speaker 1: in here and kill this deer. And that's it's, you know,
55:36
Speaker 1: probably not the best best attitude to have. Um. Every
55:41
Speaker 1: time is different, but you have to take I think
55:46
Speaker 1: you have to take everything in account. So, UM, if
55:48
Speaker 1: there's one thing my old man told me back in
55:51
Speaker 1: the day, um that I sort of remembered, uh, and
55:56
Speaker 1: then I've definitely adopted in setting up tree stands in
56:02
Speaker 1: any situation is like, um, you know, don't I don't
56:07
Speaker 1: know what exactly said, but in the lines that don't
56:09
Speaker 1: be greedy like so, you know, so I tell people
56:13
Speaker 1: a lot this you know nowadays that I talked to
56:15
Speaker 1: like you know, something that I you know, learned from
56:17
Speaker 1: him back in the day. But you're never gonna get everything.
56:20
Speaker 1: So so many guys and especially guys like us like
56:23
Speaker 1: we're we don't kill there at fifty yards like we
56:26
Speaker 1: we can't or I mean I can't speak for that.
56:28
Speaker 1: I can't kill there at fifty yards. My you know,
56:31
Speaker 1: I like them close. I like a super close shot.
56:34
Speaker 1: You know. I don't want to worry about having a
56:36
Speaker 1: because I don't shoot that much, probably, but but I
56:38
Speaker 1: just so back to what you you know, it's you're
56:42
Speaker 1: never gonna get at all. So so many guys go
56:44
Speaker 1: in there and they start looking like, okay, there's bed
56:46
Speaker 1: right here, there's a rub there, there's a trailer there,
56:48
Speaker 1: there's you know, um, you know just over here this
56:51
Speaker 1: and they start like trying to they start trying to
56:54
Speaker 1: become infatuated with covering uh, you know, a football field
56:59
Speaker 1: size area when like, realistically, if you just if you
57:03
Speaker 1: if you prioritize and you think, you think about it,
57:06
Speaker 1: you know, so win direction is number one. You know,
57:09
Speaker 1: you can't let's say, let's say you got his trail right,
57:12
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta beat trail coming into that to
57:14
Speaker 1: that his bed or or this little betting area right. Um,
57:19
Speaker 1: and you know in your body that okay, you know
57:24
Speaker 1: your mind or whatever your mind, your body, what you're
57:26
Speaker 1: thinking about it. You're like, this deer is coming up
57:28
Speaker 1: this ridge on this trail. The you know, the sign
57:32
Speaker 1: tells me this, and he's betting in this, um, he's
57:35
Speaker 1: bedding in this you know this bed right here, and
57:37
Speaker 1: you got it all figured out. But if you if
57:40
Speaker 1: you don't have a wind hunt that trail, well, you're
57:43
Speaker 1: you know, you can't hunt it. So so many guys
57:46
Speaker 1: like I said, well no, I think i'm and then
57:48
Speaker 1: they try and they try and tell themselves why I
57:51
Speaker 1: think I'll get away with it. I'll bring my those
57:53
Speaker 1: eyes in here or else. That's where guys start messing up,
57:56
Speaker 1: like so, first and foremost, I look at the wind.
57:59
Speaker 1: If I you know, even if that near was two
58:02
Speaker 1: right right, I bumped them out of there, and I
58:05
Speaker 1: looked at the wind. The next morning they would have
58:06
Speaker 1: been at east wind. I wouldn't hunt it because I
58:08
Speaker 1: couldn't have. There was that spot. There was just it
58:11
Speaker 1: wasn't plausible. I just so happened to be having a
58:13
Speaker 1: good wind of what was going on. So I think,
58:17
Speaker 1: and I used to try and do that. I used
58:18
Speaker 1: to try and fight it and force it and think like, okay,
58:21
Speaker 1: well yeah, I know he's on this, you know. But
58:24
Speaker 1: to that point, you know, so first and foremon as
58:27
Speaker 1: a wind, you know, I mean, you gotta get a
58:29
Speaker 1: wind that's gonna um let you hunt that area. I think,
58:33
Speaker 1: all I know, um, you know, Then I started looking
58:36
Speaker 1: at like, okay, would'd rather shoot a bedlar rather sho trail.
58:38
Speaker 1: What I'd rather shoot. I'd rather shoot them all. But
58:41
Speaker 1: I let the wind dictate what I can cover and
58:45
Speaker 1: where I where I understand um in that area, that's
58:48
Speaker 1: that's that's it. Yeah. So one of the questions I
58:53
Speaker 1: have then, regarding the wind you hunted on is if
58:56
Speaker 1: hear some people talk about how they tend to see
58:58
Speaker 1: mature bucks coming to their beds. I've heard people talk
59:01
Speaker 1: about like a j hook where they might circle in
59:04
Speaker 1: and come down wind of the bed that they want
59:06
Speaker 1: to get to and check it before walking into it.
59:08
Speaker 1: Have you seen anything like that or do you think
59:10
Speaker 1: about anything different as far as how you anticipate a
59:13
Speaker 1: buck moving in. I've seen that, Um, but I don't.
59:19
Speaker 1: I don't even think about that like I I have
59:22
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I always keep that knowledge in
59:26
Speaker 1: my head about like okay, well, dear, typically do this
59:28
Speaker 1: or you know there are big bucks in the past
59:30
Speaker 1: have done this, or you know, um, but I very
59:35
Speaker 1: rarely try and some all bucks up into into um
59:39
Speaker 1: into like a you know, all the same thing. Um
59:43
Speaker 1: this dear trying to think of how that exactly exactly
59:46
Speaker 1: laid out? Um. I knew that the only place that
59:52
Speaker 1: I could shoot this year with the north wind was um,
59:57
Speaker 1: it was actually I think I was probably twenty yards
1:00:01
Speaker 1: from where he was vetted, um, you know, ten yards
1:00:05
Speaker 1: from the trail, and there was a lot of other
1:00:08
Speaker 1: sign that was that was farther over. Like you know,
1:00:10
Speaker 1: I could see he was. He was, you know, browsing around,
1:00:13
Speaker 1: rubbing some stuff up and like he was doing a
1:00:14
Speaker 1: lot of stuff in that area. But I knew that's
1:00:16
Speaker 1: the only ride could beat. So you know, to that point,
1:00:19
Speaker 1: if he would have came in in in jay Hook.
1:00:21
Speaker 1: But if he would have came and you know, um,
1:00:24
Speaker 1: you know with the wind in the wrong direction, you know,
1:00:26
Speaker 1: like the like the popular or whatever that may have been,
1:00:29
Speaker 1: it didn't matter because that was the only place I
1:00:31
Speaker 1: could beat. So that's not gonna you know, affect um,
1:00:36
Speaker 1: you know, be being in there now. I also looked though,
1:00:39
Speaker 1: and I'm I mean, I pretty much I dial it
1:00:42
Speaker 1: down to where Okay, like you know this, I've seen
1:00:48
Speaker 1: the trail, you know, I've seen his tracks on the
1:00:50
Speaker 1: trail coming up that ridge, So I knew he was
1:00:52
Speaker 1: looking around that ridge regardless, you know. So it was
1:00:54
Speaker 1: just one of those things that um, you know, in
1:00:57
Speaker 1: that scenario, I I took that. I took all I
1:01:01
Speaker 1: to get, you know, that was it? Yeah, I love
1:01:04
Speaker 1: that point you make about the fact that you can't
1:01:06
Speaker 1: be greedy, like you can't have it all. I I
1:01:08
Speaker 1: definitely used to fall into that same trap where I
1:01:11
Speaker 1: was thinking, I need to cover this and this and
1:01:13
Speaker 1: this and or or I do the what IF's game,
1:01:16
Speaker 1: so I would like to think about where to hunt,
1:01:17
Speaker 1: and I think, well, he might do this, so I
1:01:19
Speaker 1: should be trying to take advantage of that. But what
1:01:21
Speaker 1: if he did this, Well, then I may want to
1:01:23
Speaker 1: move my trees to inten yards further this way, because
1:01:25
Speaker 1: then I can maybe cover that lane. And then maybe
1:01:28
Speaker 1: if you hit this scrape and then you have like
1:01:30
Speaker 1: six different what if scenarios and you try to maybe
1:01:33
Speaker 1: set up for all of them. But then what inevitably happens,
1:01:37
Speaker 1: at least from my experience, is that if you try
1:01:39
Speaker 1: to set up for six what if scenarios, that so
1:01:41
Speaker 1: you maybe have a decent chance at each different scenario,
1:01:44
Speaker 1: You're not set up perfectly for any one of those.
1:01:48
Speaker 1: So it's it's kind of a shitty situation if he
1:01:50
Speaker 1: does any one of them. But what I've started to
1:01:52
Speaker 1: do more and more and I'm curious to hear if
1:01:53
Speaker 1: you think this is if this makes sense or not.
1:01:56
Speaker 1: But I've kind of started to do this. I'm I'm
1:01:58
Speaker 1: in my head. I'm kind of calling it like my
1:02:01
Speaker 1: truth and assumption, like a methodology or something. I'm I'm
1:02:05
Speaker 1: coining this thing in my own head as I'm saying it.
1:02:07
Speaker 1: But but I look at the situation and I say, Okay,
1:02:10
Speaker 1: what do I think this buck's gonna do? Like, what
1:02:13
Speaker 1: do I think is the most likely thing is gonna do?
1:02:15
Speaker 1: And so let's say I think the most likely thing
1:02:17
Speaker 1: is that he's betted in Spot A and he's gonna
1:02:20
Speaker 1: walk from Spot A down this trail to feed in
1:02:23
Speaker 1: Spot B. If I had if you put a gun
1:02:25
Speaker 1: in my head, that would be my number one guest,
1:02:27
Speaker 1: based off of the sign, or based off of past experience,
1:02:30
Speaker 1: or based off trail cameras, whatever dad I have. And
1:02:33
Speaker 1: so instead of looking at that as one of like
1:02:36
Speaker 1: six possibilities and trying to set up for all six,
1:02:38
Speaker 1: I'm now saying, Okay, I'm going to assume that my
1:02:41
Speaker 1: number one guess. I'm gonna assume that's truth, like that
1:02:44
Speaker 1: is what's going to happen. And then I make all
1:02:46
Speaker 1: my decisions, assuming that's a truth. So I'm going to
1:02:50
Speaker 1: set up perfectly for that one thing. I'm gonna access
1:02:53
Speaker 1: perfectly for that one assumption. I'm going to you know,
1:02:56
Speaker 1: everything is going to be for that one scenario. And
1:02:59
Speaker 1: I'm kind of fine. That's working better because most of
1:03:02
Speaker 1: the time you're gonna get it wrong anyways. But if
1:03:04
Speaker 1: you set up perfectly for one scenario, every once in
1:03:09
Speaker 1: a while that scenario does happen, and then you end
1:03:11
Speaker 1: up having the perfect situation to get a shot, versus
1:03:14
Speaker 1: you know, never ending up getting the perfect situation because
1:03:16
Speaker 1: you're always setting up for six What ifs um? Does
1:03:19
Speaker 1: that make sense at all? No? Yeah, I understand um.
1:03:23
Speaker 1: And And it's it's sort of like, you know, I
1:03:26
Speaker 1: kind of have the same philosophy and stuff, like for
1:03:28
Speaker 1: how my my standard set up, Like if you know,
1:03:31
Speaker 1: I might be covering you know, a trail and US
1:03:35
Speaker 1: grape or whatever. But and there there's the opportunity to
1:03:38
Speaker 1: get more. But I have to like set my stand
1:03:41
Speaker 1: just a little farther over and I know, I, okay,
1:03:43
Speaker 1: well that that shot will be a standing shot. This
1:03:46
Speaker 1: want to I don't even do it because like I
1:03:49
Speaker 1: killed the majority of my dear with I always put
1:03:53
Speaker 1: I'm sort of a definitely a I wouldn't say O
1:03:57
Speaker 1: C D per se, but like there's a there's a
1:04:00
Speaker 1: thing though, there's a there's a way I like to
1:04:02
Speaker 1: do things. And it's always the same. And the majority
1:04:06
Speaker 1: of time when I kill a deer, I'm I'm sitting
1:04:09
Speaker 1: down and I know exactly where he's gonna be, so
1:04:11
Speaker 1: I'll I'll cut out a lot of access stuff that
1:04:16
Speaker 1: I could cover just to have my stand at perfect
1:04:18
Speaker 1: direction towards there's minimal movement, and I'm ready to kill
1:04:22
Speaker 1: like like in that position, Like I love shooting sitting
1:04:25
Speaker 1: down and all my stands, you know, I take that account.
1:04:27
Speaker 1: So I I start to like you said, you know,
1:04:31
Speaker 1: you got your you know your a route or whatever
1:04:34
Speaker 1: whatever you're saying it is. But that's what I'm picking.
1:04:37
Speaker 1: That's what I'm setting up on them. You know if
1:04:39
Speaker 1: it if I hunt her, you know, you know on
1:04:41
Speaker 1: my winds, good he does something else, well I'll kill
1:04:44
Speaker 1: him the next day. I'll move on to the next day.
1:04:46
Speaker 1: You know. It's it's I'm ready rocked in that scenario.
1:04:51
Speaker 1: You know, there's it's just one of those things where okay,
1:04:53
Speaker 1: but if that if that deer comes in, he doesn't
1:04:56
Speaker 1: think he's gonna do It's not like one of those
1:04:59
Speaker 1: deals were like, oh, well, you could coming behind me,
1:05:02
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you don't realize it
1:05:03
Speaker 1: and then he's behind you a fifteen yards and there's
1:05:06
Speaker 1: no way you can stand up turn around. Like I
1:05:08
Speaker 1: never I never want to have that happen, Like that's
1:05:11
Speaker 1: the worst um, that's the worst feeling in the world.
1:05:16
Speaker 1: Or even just never want to get handcuffed. Now I've
1:05:19
Speaker 1: been handcuffed in the past, and that one, No, it's
1:05:21
Speaker 1: not happening anymore. Like it's just I'd rather miss one,
1:05:24
Speaker 1: and I have missed a lot. I'd rather miss one,
1:05:27
Speaker 1: you know, just clean, you know, and and being right
1:05:29
Speaker 1: on the money. Then something something stupid like that where
1:05:32
Speaker 1: you can't even get a shot, you know, and you
1:05:34
Speaker 1: never even knew you know, he could be dead, but
1:05:36
Speaker 1: you didn't. You didn't you tried to, You tried to
1:05:39
Speaker 1: be a hog and tried to cover too much area,
1:05:42
Speaker 1: you ain't set up right, and you didn't think it out,
1:05:44
Speaker 1: you know. I think it's very important for these guys
1:05:46
Speaker 1: even too, like when they're setting up stands or anybody.
1:05:49
Speaker 1: Think it out man, like, think okay, think about your
1:05:52
Speaker 1: thought about this, Think about where I hear is gonna
1:05:54
Speaker 1: come from. Think about what shot you're gonna take when
1:05:56
Speaker 1: you're gonna draw about like a lot of that. You know,
1:06:00
Speaker 1: there's there's all this scouting process and finding spots and
1:06:05
Speaker 1: and setting up stands, you know, and then there's even
1:06:07
Speaker 1: more to it. It's like, you know, some people do
1:06:09
Speaker 1: all that and they do it great and then all
1:06:11
Speaker 1: of a sudden they just crumble when the beer shows up.
1:06:13
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, having it in your mind,
1:06:16
Speaker 1: no one, what's going to happen, no one, you're gonna kill,
1:06:18
Speaker 1: no one when you're gonna kill, like all that really
1:06:20
Speaker 1: makes a big difference. Yeah. Yeah, those little details they matter,
1:06:26
Speaker 1: Oh yeah for sure. So speaking a little details, um,
1:06:30
Speaker 1: drilling in just a little bit more on this specific
1:06:32
Speaker 1: kind of bumping dump type scenario. When you get in there,
1:06:36
Speaker 1: you've figured out based off the wind and a little
1:06:39
Speaker 1: bit of the area you can see, you figure out
1:06:41
Speaker 1: the right tree set up, and um, do you worry
1:06:44
Speaker 1: about doing any kind of trimming once you get up
1:06:48
Speaker 1: to the tree or or anything like that, or do
1:06:50
Speaker 1: you say, okay, I'm just gonna hang the stand right
1:06:52
Speaker 1: here now and not touch another thing because I don't
1:06:54
Speaker 1: want to leave my scent anywhere or mess with that anymore.
1:06:57
Speaker 1: What's your balance? So just goes staying before I got
1:07:01
Speaker 1: my shirtain way that I do it. So I'm gonna
1:07:03
Speaker 1: pick that tree where I can get in my position
1:07:06
Speaker 1: and I can be ready to rock, you know in
1:07:08
Speaker 1: that seated shot you know across the left shoulder like
1:07:11
Speaker 1: it's it's that's just what you know, or my my shoulder.
1:07:14
Speaker 1: It's just that's the way I do it. So if
1:07:16
Speaker 1: I gotta trend, if I gotta freaking cut down a um,
1:07:20
Speaker 1: if I gotta cut down the tree slized my leg
1:07:22
Speaker 1: to make that happen, I'll do it like if if
1:07:24
Speaker 1: if obviously, if I can, if I'm not, if I'm
1:07:27
Speaker 1: a you know, a piece store, um, just because I
1:07:30
Speaker 1: know I'm gonna be there waiting and I don't carebably
1:07:35
Speaker 1: I'll senter that freaking area up crazy as long and
1:07:37
Speaker 1: I'm so bad. If I know I can't get in there,
1:07:40
Speaker 1: well then i'll keep I'll get out and I won't
1:07:42
Speaker 1: I won't toun with it. But your first shot by shot,
1:07:46
Speaker 1: and you know, odds are by the time they realize,
1:07:48
Speaker 1: oh ship, you know something. You know this this is
1:07:50
Speaker 1: not the same place. You know, unless you know how
1:07:52
Speaker 1: they are. You can have dad if you do it right. So,
1:07:55
Speaker 1: so taking this tree stand setting up question a little
1:07:59
Speaker 1: bit further than can you just walk us through in general,
1:08:02
Speaker 1: how you actually go about setting up your mobile stand,
1:08:04
Speaker 1: whether it be uh, you know, whether it's a bumping
1:08:07
Speaker 1: dump or just a regular hunt you're sneaking in to
1:08:09
Speaker 1: set up your standing hunting that day. Um, like the
1:08:12
Speaker 1: exact specific scenario, like you set your backpack on the ground,
1:08:16
Speaker 1: you hook up a row, Like what exactly do you
1:08:18
Speaker 1: do from the moment you pick your tree to the time?
1:08:20
Speaker 1: Year up in it? Okay, so this is, um, yes,
1:08:24
Speaker 1: this is how I go about it. Now I'm gonna
1:08:27
Speaker 1: go through it. How um, I'm gonna use like even
1:08:32
Speaker 1: our new setup which makes this this this completely and
1:08:39
Speaker 1: a game changer, completely different story now with how this works. So, um,
1:08:43
Speaker 1: you know, typically I have I have my stand in
1:08:46
Speaker 1: my backs um sticks understand, packs it up, you know,
1:08:51
Speaker 1: strapped to that bone hand. You know, I always always
1:08:54
Speaker 1: pretty much have my bone hand. So, UM, what I
1:08:56
Speaker 1: will do when I find that spot? I will you know,
1:09:00
Speaker 1: take the stand off my back, and you know, with
1:09:02
Speaker 1: the intention of that being the only time that stand
1:09:04
Speaker 1: cooped up my back is the first time take the
1:09:06
Speaker 1: stand off my back and taken the bag, put it
1:09:09
Speaker 1: on the ground, and I hook my co rope up
1:09:12
Speaker 1: to my bag and my bowl, so my bag in
1:09:14
Speaker 1: my bowl are sitting on the ground. You know. I
1:09:17
Speaker 1: take the sticks off my stand and I put the
1:09:19
Speaker 1: stand back in my back. So now I got my
1:09:21
Speaker 1: stand on my back, UM bowl and the UM bags
1:09:27
Speaker 1: looked up at my tie rope. So then I just
1:09:29
Speaker 1: I start. I started at the tree. You know, I
1:09:32
Speaker 1: usually put about UM depending on how I need to
1:09:35
Speaker 1: get I might start out with a couple of screwings
1:09:37
Speaker 1: or whatever, or just my sticks. But I put the
1:09:39
Speaker 1: first one to two sticks on the tree when I'm
1:09:42
Speaker 1: on the ground, you know, one at at that stepping
1:09:44
Speaker 1: level and one as high as I can reach. UM.
1:09:47
Speaker 1: And then I have the the last two sticks UM
1:09:51
Speaker 1: or three or four you know on my stand, so
1:09:54
Speaker 1: I can reach right back and grab him as I'm
1:09:56
Speaker 1: going up. So UM, I just my my goal is
1:09:59
Speaker 1: to get up in one shot. UM. I don't want
1:10:01
Speaker 1: to come back, and you know, don't now if if
1:10:03
Speaker 1: I'm setting up something I'm not gonna hunt for you know,
1:10:06
Speaker 1: a couple of days, I won't even or I'm not
1:10:08
Speaker 1: going out until later. I won't even drop my door,
1:10:10
Speaker 1: or I'll just leave it there. You know. I'm not
1:10:12
Speaker 1: I'm too worried about getting up there in one shot.
1:10:15
Speaker 1: But I'm going on like a hanging hunt. I definitely
1:10:17
Speaker 1: want to get up there once. I don't want to
1:10:18
Speaker 1: be sweating. I don't want to you know, have any
1:10:20
Speaker 1: you don't have it be uh um, you know, kind
1:10:24
Speaker 1: of more difficult than it needs to be. So um.
1:10:27
Speaker 1: You know, go up with the sticks hanging to stand down,
1:10:29
Speaker 1: you know, then I get my stand said it, and
1:10:32
Speaker 1: then then I can pull on me here, you know.
1:10:33
Speaker 1: So it's it's that one, that one one shut up cover.
1:10:38
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll definitely look for cover over anything. I
1:10:42
Speaker 1: don't hunt high. Um. I'd say ninety percent of the
1:10:45
Speaker 1: times I'm I'm between eight and fifty feet um, you know,
1:10:49
Speaker 1: and more so even I said, if I had to
1:10:52
Speaker 1: pick a height that I was at, like if I
1:10:54
Speaker 1: had to pick one, height would probably be you know,
1:10:57
Speaker 1: majority of the time maybe ten ft twelve feet, you know,
1:11:01
Speaker 1: if I'm in the bottom and I need to, you know,
1:11:03
Speaker 1: get away with some some you know, the thermals or whatnot.
1:11:06
Speaker 1: Or if it's something that I need to get real high,
1:11:08
Speaker 1: I'll get I'll get as high as I need to.
1:11:09
Speaker 1: I'll get twenty sometimes. But UM, I would rather be
1:11:13
Speaker 1: low and high any day. So is that for Is
1:11:16
Speaker 1: that simply because it allows you to get up faster
1:11:20
Speaker 1: and with fewer sticks, or is that because you know,
1:11:23
Speaker 1: you just don't want to be high, or is it
1:11:24
Speaker 1: because the better shot angles or you know, why are
1:11:26
Speaker 1: you doing that? I think it's everything. So I like,
1:11:30
Speaker 1: less equipment on my back at all times is definitely
1:11:33
Speaker 1: a plus. Get up quickly. Um, there's tends to be
1:11:36
Speaker 1: more cover down low. Um, you know shot angles. You know,
1:11:40
Speaker 1: nothing's cutter than a you know, ten yard shot, and
1:11:43
Speaker 1: you're just a couple of feet higher and deer. I
1:11:45
Speaker 1: mean it's sometimes you get real high and you throw
1:11:48
Speaker 1: some creased angles and it's and it's a pain. Um.
1:11:51
Speaker 1: But I truly believe that there's a there's a there's
1:11:55
Speaker 1: a spot in there. Um sounds weird, you you might
1:12:00
Speaker 1: think it's um kind of the opposite, but I feel
1:12:05
Speaker 1: like there's a spot in there where you're not like
1:12:07
Speaker 1: eye level, you're not opposite street, and it's almost like
1:12:11
Speaker 1: this little money zone that I feel. It's like it's
1:12:15
Speaker 1: like a miss. Now, don't get me wrong, when you
1:12:17
Speaker 1: hunt is high, you have to be you gonta have
1:12:20
Speaker 1: your wits about you. You gotta be s healthy. You
1:12:21
Speaker 1: can't be swinging your for head left and right. You
1:12:23
Speaker 1: can't be you know, uh, playing pac Man on a
1:12:27
Speaker 1: percent of time. I mean, you know, you've got to
1:12:29
Speaker 1: be ready to rod and you gotta know what you're
1:12:31
Speaker 1: gonna do. But like when you're in that, when you're
1:12:34
Speaker 1: at that height, I almost feel like they look for you.
1:12:38
Speaker 1: They're not even you know, people talk about about they're
1:12:41
Speaker 1: looked up all the time, you know, and and which
1:12:43
Speaker 1: they very well might do. And then might be because
1:12:46
Speaker 1: you're sitting that they've seen in the same stand every day,
1:12:48
Speaker 1: or you're you know, and they used to looking for
1:12:50
Speaker 1: those street stands or whatever. But I do feel that
1:12:53
Speaker 1: there's a there's a mid heighting there that people are
1:12:56
Speaker 1: scared than that because they think it's too low. But
1:12:59
Speaker 1: I do it, like think like that's a better height
1:13:03
Speaker 1: to be at. I feel like there's less association from
1:13:05
Speaker 1: with danger at that height and you know, it's it's
1:13:09
Speaker 1: so I feel like it's kind of a in every
1:13:11
Speaker 1: aspect i'd just like to be you know, especially if
1:13:14
Speaker 1: you get some covered. Man, if you get some like
1:13:16
Speaker 1: real not really cover that low. I mean, I think
1:13:18
Speaker 1: that's the most invincible, like seniors like those you know,
1:13:22
Speaker 1: not real mature seniors, but man pan street off the
1:13:24
Speaker 1: ground and a senior tree. Um, I didn't talk. That's
1:13:27
Speaker 1: like that's like what death should look like in the
1:13:31
Speaker 1: in the dictionary. I mean it's it's, yeah, that's hard
1:13:35
Speaker 1: to it's hard to beat that. So. Um So then
1:13:38
Speaker 1: that brings me to trimming a little a little bit
1:13:40
Speaker 1: more on the trimming aspect. Are you Are you then
1:13:43
Speaker 1: in a situation like that, leaving as much cover as
1:13:46
Speaker 1: possible and just trim me out a lane to your
1:13:48
Speaker 1: to your one best spot you're like a location or
1:13:52
Speaker 1: do you try to have multiple shot opportunities available to
1:13:55
Speaker 1: like how do you balance that? Um? I definitely go
1:13:59
Speaker 1: so normally, mean, especially like a sediar situation, if it's
1:14:03
Speaker 1: really thick, I'll definitely focus on the couple of main
1:14:06
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's some stuff that's so thick that
1:14:08
Speaker 1: I hunt that you couldn't possibly trem lane every every trail,
1:14:11
Speaker 1: So that's where you gotta be more focused in on
1:14:13
Speaker 1: and a lot of times when it's real thick, I'll
1:14:15
Speaker 1: just I might even just set up on one trail.
1:14:17
Speaker 1: I say, Okay, I know he's gonna come down here.
1:14:19
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be seated ready to shoot him, you know,
1:14:21
Speaker 1: and this is my only shot, you know. I mean,
1:14:23
Speaker 1: I gotta by the time I see him, at the
1:14:24
Speaker 1: time he's dead, it'll probably be two seconds, you know.
1:14:26
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of that that I would like
1:14:28
Speaker 1: to to go on you know, um where you can't
1:14:31
Speaker 1: really see a whole lot. But to that being said,
1:14:34
Speaker 1: if I can trim a little bit extra and cover
1:14:36
Speaker 1: a couple of lanes, I will, Um. I'm pretty uh,
1:14:42
Speaker 1: I'm pretty critical on myself of of how like I
1:14:46
Speaker 1: don't know what you'd call it, like my my actions
1:14:48
Speaker 1: in the stand, Like you know, I know that I'm
1:14:52
Speaker 1: not getting busted. I'm not moving around a lot like
1:14:54
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I I sit like percent a time,
1:14:58
Speaker 1: like just waiting for so I'll sacrifice a little cover
1:15:03
Speaker 1: Like if it's if there's a bunch of stuff that
1:15:04
Speaker 1: I think, you know, let's say let's say I can't
1:15:08
Speaker 1: you know, let's say there's so many hot trails in
1:15:10
Speaker 1: this little spot, which is which is hardly ever, but
1:15:13
Speaker 1: that where I need to cover cut electra stuff. I'll
1:15:15
Speaker 1: cut of the electrac stuff like I need to. I'm
1:15:17
Speaker 1: I've never been like a you know, a trimming nazi,
1:15:20
Speaker 1: like I need all this stuff. I need to be
1:15:21
Speaker 1: covered here, I need to be covered there. I'm definitely
1:15:23
Speaker 1: not like that. But I also don't drop every day
1:15:25
Speaker 1: and live down on the tree. So I just I
1:15:27
Speaker 1: guess I find a happy medium to where, um, I
1:15:30
Speaker 1: get enough shots and I got enough cover. Yeah that
1:15:33
Speaker 1: makes sense. So so this whole way of hunting, you know,
1:15:37
Speaker 1: sneaking in with a stand on your back and sticks
1:15:40
Speaker 1: like you alluded to earlier in our chat, Like that's
1:15:43
Speaker 1: become a whole lot more popular over the last i
1:15:45
Speaker 1: don't know, five years or so, give or take um.
1:15:48
Speaker 1: More and more people are realizing the benefits of hunting
1:15:51
Speaker 1: new areas. You know that those first time sits can
1:15:54
Speaker 1: be so great moving around a lot. So with so
1:15:57
Speaker 1: many more people kind of taking this approach and you
1:16:01
Speaker 1: having you know, a ton of experience doing it, also
1:16:04
Speaker 1: having learned from your dad, who was one of kind
1:16:06
Speaker 1: of the pioneers in this kind of hunting. When you
1:16:10
Speaker 1: see or hear all these other people trying this kind
1:16:12
Speaker 1: of hunt, what do you see as being the most
1:16:15
Speaker 1: common mistake that you see people making or hear about
1:16:19
Speaker 1: people making. Is there anything out there that just makes
1:16:22
Speaker 1: you cringe when you hear about other people trying to
1:16:25
Speaker 1: do mobile hunting in certain ways? Yeah? I think I
1:16:29
Speaker 1: I think what makes me cringe is is when people
1:16:33
Speaker 1: they people failed to notice the obvious. So with all
1:16:38
Speaker 1: the my biggest and the whole reason why I never
1:16:41
Speaker 1: really even talked to anybody about hunting. And you know,
1:16:43
Speaker 1: I don't always get questions from people. I've always been
1:16:45
Speaker 1: trade show and killed so many good deal like why
1:16:48
Speaker 1: don't you why don't you talk to I've never wanted
1:16:50
Speaker 1: to give somebody information and have them take it wrong
1:16:53
Speaker 1: and mess up or something and be you know, touched
1:16:56
Speaker 1: or anything. But when people avoid to realize the obvious,
1:17:00
Speaker 1: Like so, my biggest fear is like even this podcast,
1:17:02
Speaker 1: people listen to this, and everybody will go out and
1:17:06
Speaker 1: look for that deer on that bed, and like that
1:17:08
Speaker 1: that's the only thing they think of in their mind,
1:17:10
Speaker 1: Like that's you know. And I've had even buddies like
1:17:14
Speaker 1: this too, you know. So it's like, you know, they
1:17:17
Speaker 1: go out there and they they hear about this this.
1:17:21
Speaker 1: You know, they've heard about the bumping up. They hear
1:17:23
Speaker 1: about oh, man, you know he's been he's been doing
1:17:25
Speaker 1: like you know, a revise bumping up. It's a little
1:17:27
Speaker 1: different he's got you know, like they take what we said, Oh,
1:17:30
Speaker 1: he's got to be the b pattern and that's what
1:17:32
Speaker 1: I want to do. I'm doing that. And they go
1:17:34
Speaker 1: out into the timber with that only thing in their minds,
1:17:38
Speaker 1: and they they avoid the obvious like I've I've seen
1:17:41
Speaker 1: it happen. I've seen guys so so infatuated with signing
1:17:45
Speaker 1: a bed or killing a deer over its bed that
1:17:48
Speaker 1: they overlook like just like low hanging fruit. And that
1:17:52
Speaker 1: right there is what is what really drives me next
1:17:54
Speaker 1: because and and here's the perfect example. I was hunting
1:17:58
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, um with a guy never
1:18:01
Speaker 1: hunted before, and you know, I was seeing a buck
1:18:04
Speaker 1: that I knew was coming out to a certain certain
1:18:07
Speaker 1: egg field and feeding, and you know, it was just
1:18:09
Speaker 1: like one of those and he kept saying, why don't
1:18:11
Speaker 1: you going to kill that buck. Why why aren't you
1:18:13
Speaker 1: going in there? Or I'm like, I'm not gonna go
1:18:14
Speaker 1: in there, or why an't you gonna find his bed?
1:18:16
Speaker 1: Why didn't he dead yet? Why? And I'm like, dude,
1:18:19
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go look up his betting routine. And
1:18:22
Speaker 1: if I don't, if I can kill him on his
1:18:24
Speaker 1: field edge, like he's literally coming out to this field
1:18:27
Speaker 1: as soon as I get that west wind, I'm slipping
1:18:29
Speaker 1: in there. Like you know, it's one of those things
1:18:31
Speaker 1: where where so many guys then they get they get
1:18:35
Speaker 1: so infatuated with the one way of doing things. You
1:18:37
Speaker 1: gotta keep your eyes open. You've gotta be open to
1:18:39
Speaker 1: all aspects of it. That if I'm looking for a
1:18:41
Speaker 1: bed and I find a hot trail, I'll stop. Oh
1:18:45
Speaker 1: you know, I was looking for a bed, but ship,
1:18:46
Speaker 1: this is a hot trail. Let me let me jump
1:18:47
Speaker 1: up here and see what happens. Like I'm not gonna
1:18:50
Speaker 1: go start just going nuts if I don't have to.
1:18:54
Speaker 1: So um, I don't know if that makes sense, but um,
1:18:58
Speaker 1: you know. And then to that point, I think that
1:19:00
Speaker 1: deer died three days later on a field edge, and
1:19:02
Speaker 1: I don't kill a whole lot of deer on the field, yes,
1:19:05
Speaker 1: and I'd rather kill him in the woods. But like what,
1:19:08
Speaker 1: you know, there's no need to make things harder than
1:19:12
Speaker 1: they you know, then they need to be same thing
1:19:14
Speaker 1: with scrapes. It's like, okay, well you know you gotta
1:19:17
Speaker 1: you gotta scrape. It's getting pounded. Let's see you walk
1:19:19
Speaker 1: by every day. That thing is getting pounded every day,
1:19:22
Speaker 1: and it's just I mean, it's just getting hammered. Put
1:19:24
Speaker 1: the damn scrape. You know, some people, like God, they
1:19:28
Speaker 1: got like this this um, this this thought. Why can't
1:19:31
Speaker 1: you know? Some they they think it's too easy. They're like, oh,
1:19:34
Speaker 1: well I can't. You're not gonna come back a scrape
1:19:35
Speaker 1: and shoot in daylight hours or you know, you hear
1:19:39
Speaker 1: you hear that the old fable tale of not fable tale,
1:19:42
Speaker 1: but you hear the tales of like guys shooting bucks
1:19:44
Speaker 1: right and next to right by the parking lots and
1:19:47
Speaker 1: puppic crowns. Sometimes people are so don't get me wrong, Yeah,
1:19:51
Speaker 1: the deeper you can get them, farther away from people,
1:19:53
Speaker 1: you can get as good. But some people overlooked at
1:19:56
Speaker 1: that completely obviously obvious sign that is right at the
1:20:00
Speaker 1: parking area you know. I mean, it's just want to
1:20:03
Speaker 1: and they see it and they sink in their head
1:20:05
Speaker 1: it can't be, it can't be it's right next to
1:20:07
Speaker 1: the parking area. Well, I promise you it is like that.
1:20:10
Speaker 1: These design ain't lying you. It's not fake, you know.
1:20:14
Speaker 1: So I guess, yeah, that maybe a long winded explanation
1:20:17
Speaker 1: of it. But what overlooking the habits, I'd say, yeah, man,
1:20:20
Speaker 1: that's such a great point, and it's it's you kind
1:20:22
Speaker 1: of brought up something that that I'm sure we're all
1:20:25
Speaker 1: guilty of just some degree, which is right. You hear,
1:20:28
Speaker 1: you hear these kind of rules sometimes in the hunting world,
1:20:30
Speaker 1: like don't hunt scrapes because of whatever. You know, lots
1:20:33
Speaker 1: of people have shown research that it's it's just nighttime
1:20:36
Speaker 1: activity now or so much of it's nightimiative versay, don't
1:20:38
Speaker 1: hunt too close to parking lots or um. Yeah, there's
1:20:41
Speaker 1: all these kind of maxims out there that many times
1:20:45
Speaker 1: maybe you're true, and so they get talked about a
1:20:47
Speaker 1: lot and then that though, becomes like a rule that
1:20:49
Speaker 1: some people have, and it's it becomes a real negative.
1:20:54
Speaker 1: If you're never willing to color outside the lines. Sometimes
1:20:57
Speaker 1: if you're not willing to see what you said like
1:21:00
Speaker 1: the obvious sometimes or try different things, or be willing
1:21:03
Speaker 1: to be flexible you know you're gonna miss out. And uh,
1:21:07
Speaker 1: you know. One example of that, and this is something
1:21:10
Speaker 1: that I, um, I fall into this myself quite a bit,
1:21:14
Speaker 1: is the the popular notion that hunting mornings in the
1:21:19
Speaker 1: early season or in the late season is something that's
1:21:22
Speaker 1: maybe not recommended in a lot of cases. And so
1:21:24
Speaker 1: I've been someone who said that often, at least in
1:21:26
Speaker 1: my scenarios. I found, like, man, it seems really risky
1:21:29
Speaker 1: a lot of times to go in there in certain situations,
1:21:32
Speaker 1: and maybe the upside isn't as high. So because of that,
1:21:36
Speaker 1: I don't hunt a ton of warnings now, I know,
1:21:39
Speaker 1: though there's certainly scenarios where it can be great. I
1:21:42
Speaker 1: know you're a guy who does really like those early
1:21:45
Speaker 1: season mornings. Um, can you kind of walk us through
1:21:49
Speaker 1: why that works for you and why that's one of
1:21:52
Speaker 1: those rules that maybe shouldn't be so set in stone always?
1:21:56
Speaker 1: You know? I don't. I don't know, and I think, um,
1:22:02
Speaker 1: I know, I've talked about this a couple of times,
1:22:04
Speaker 1: but I do not know where the know she came from?
1:22:06
Speaker 1: So I think maybe a combination of you know that
1:22:11
Speaker 1: that quote unquote lull of movement um or um you know,
1:22:17
Speaker 1: temperature or whatever it may be, that it's keeping people
1:22:21
Speaker 1: out of the you know, from hunting in the mornings.
1:22:24
Speaker 1: I think a lot of that stems with people are
1:22:27
Speaker 1: so conditioned to hunt a certain area and have a
1:22:31
Speaker 1: certain image in their head, like there's there's so much like,
1:22:35
Speaker 1: you know, everybody wants to shoot that that that buck,
1:22:38
Speaker 1: you know, coming diagonal into a freaking decoy on a
1:22:41
Speaker 1: field age like, and they they have they have all
1:22:45
Speaker 1: these visions that I think they see through mainstream hunting today,
1:22:51
Speaker 1: that that they picture in their head and they want
1:22:53
Speaker 1: that to be right, you know. So you know, guys,
1:22:56
Speaker 1: you know, this gets built up and they have an
1:22:57
Speaker 1: idea of how they'd like to kill something or at
1:22:59
Speaker 1: least what they see on TV, whether it be through
1:23:02
Speaker 1: you know, on this luscious big food plot you know, um,
1:23:05
Speaker 1: which is deer coming right in or or you know whatever,
1:23:10
Speaker 1: and they fail to realize, like you know, you have
1:23:13
Speaker 1: to um, it's a different like when these deer are
1:23:18
Speaker 1: killed in the morning, at least when I killed these
1:23:20
Speaker 1: deer in the morning in October, I'm these aren't. These
1:23:24
Speaker 1: aren't great hunts that like you you you'd go home
1:23:27
Speaker 1: and tell your buddies about. They're not like, dude, I've
1:23:29
Speaker 1: seen you know, I've seen three bucks and they were sparring.
1:23:32
Speaker 1: Or I've seen I've seen twenty deer today and you know,
1:23:35
Speaker 1: and and it's um uh you know, or or I
1:23:38
Speaker 1: was loaded, I was covered up all more. And these
1:23:40
Speaker 1: are these are specific little missions to kill a specific
1:23:45
Speaker 1: deer most of the time, or like with me, a
1:23:48
Speaker 1: lot of these times, like when I kill in the
1:23:50
Speaker 1: morning in October, like that's the only that's the only
1:23:52
Speaker 1: deer I see. And and you know, it's it comes
1:23:55
Speaker 1: down to one of those things that you know, I've
1:23:57
Speaker 1: said for a long time that I'm I'm sure I
1:23:59
Speaker 1: probably you know, um picked up from somewhere, but like, well,
1:24:03
Speaker 1: you want to stay here and have a good time,
1:24:05
Speaker 1: or do you want to kill it, dear? And if
1:24:06
Speaker 1: you really ask yourselves that, you know you're gonna see more, dear,
1:24:11
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have quote unquote better hunts in the
1:24:14
Speaker 1: evening in October on food sources or whatever the hell
1:24:17
Speaker 1: you're doing. But you know, I mean, I think they're
1:24:20
Speaker 1: gonna have more it's gonna be a shittier hunt, but
1:24:23
Speaker 1: you're gonna have more success. So I think a lot
1:24:25
Speaker 1: of that is is a is a way people envision
1:24:28
Speaker 1: themselves hunting, and not a lot of people like there's
1:24:31
Speaker 1: also that fear of getting into the woods because now
1:24:35
Speaker 1: you know, you're probably not gonna have all that much
1:24:37
Speaker 1: luck early season October on the field legs in the morning, like,
1:24:40
Speaker 1: that's probably not where you want to be, you know, Uh,
1:24:42
Speaker 1: you want to be more so where they're bed and
1:24:45
Speaker 1: you know, you know, figure out that pattern and be
1:24:47
Speaker 1: closer in on them and get them, you know, coming
1:24:50
Speaker 1: in there. So I think it's just it comes down
1:24:53
Speaker 1: to it's a different it's a completely different hunt, a
1:24:55
Speaker 1: different style. Um, you know altogether that makes sense. I
1:24:59
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm can in circles or what. No,
1:25:01
Speaker 1: it makes sense. UM. Now I want to lay out
1:25:05
Speaker 1: a scenario for you and you tell me if if Um,
1:25:08
Speaker 1: I'm guessing. I guess. What I'm trying to say here
1:25:10
Speaker 1: is I'm guessing that that morning hunt approach in October
1:25:14
Speaker 1: is situational. Right. There's certain situations where it could work
1:25:17
Speaker 1: really well. There's certain situations where maybe it's not as
1:25:20
Speaker 1: is recommended, and you tell me if this is if
1:25:22
Speaker 1: you think it's right around. But let's say you hunt
1:25:23
Speaker 1: just a small property. You only have a twenty acre
1:25:26
Speaker 1: property of which there's just one good betting area of
1:25:29
Speaker 1: timber on it, and on any given year, you'll be
1:25:32
Speaker 1: lucky if there's one mature buck, and that one mature
1:25:34
Speaker 1: buck usually like you don't get a whole lot of
1:25:36
Speaker 1: chances of that deer because you're in Michigan and there's
1:25:39
Speaker 1: hunting all around you, and if you if you bump
1:25:42
Speaker 1: that deer a few times once or twice, you're probably
1:25:44
Speaker 1: not gonna see him moving Daylyn. That's maybe what you
1:25:46
Speaker 1: know about your area. Now, if that is your scenario,
1:25:50
Speaker 1: would you agree that pushing in there for morning hunt
1:25:53
Speaker 1: into that one betting area you can hunt in early
1:25:55
Speaker 1: October that might be pretty high risk. And maybe in
1:25:58
Speaker 1: that scenario you would say, well, maybe you try something different,
1:26:02
Speaker 1: because if you go in there in the morning and
1:26:04
Speaker 1: he doesn't give you a shot, but you have to
1:26:05
Speaker 1: walk out of there and blow it out or whatever
1:26:08
Speaker 1: it might be, is that kind of scen there and
1:26:10
Speaker 1: maybe hey, it's it's too risky, you shouldn't do it,
1:26:13
Speaker 1: Versus maybe you got a big property with a bunch
1:26:15
Speaker 1: of different betting areas. You could hunt in the mornings
1:26:16
Speaker 1: and if it doesn't go good today, you could try
1:26:18
Speaker 1: again somewhere else tomorrow. Is that make sense? You know?
1:26:21
Speaker 1: So so there's yeah, there's a I would come at
1:26:24
Speaker 1: this from so many different angles. I would. I would literally,
1:26:26
Speaker 1: you know, depending on the property, depending on you know,
1:26:29
Speaker 1: I think you said you have neighbors are hunting right
1:26:31
Speaker 1: now when you're hunting, that's what you're saying. I would
1:26:35
Speaker 1: saying that example, a lot of you know, depending on
1:26:37
Speaker 1: depending on perimeter pressure. You know what this means, you know,
1:26:41
Speaker 1: I would take I would really start diving into this.
1:26:43
Speaker 1: So I mean, do I have a history with this deer? Like,
1:26:45
Speaker 1: is you know, do I know where he's feeding? Am
1:26:48
Speaker 1: I seeing him a day? Like? Do I got pictures
1:26:50
Speaker 1: of him? Is he a deer that I think he's there?
1:26:52
Speaker 1: Do I know he's there? Like? Is he like if
1:26:54
Speaker 1: I know? If I know that deer is bettered in that?
1:26:59
Speaker 1: You know, So this is your forty you should know
1:27:00
Speaker 1: this thing that's the back of your hand. I would
1:27:01
Speaker 1: think from shed hunting and all this stuff, if you
1:27:04
Speaker 1: have that idea where that deer is on that forty, Um,
1:27:08
Speaker 1: and you know he's better there, and you like maybe
1:27:11
Speaker 1: he's going out to the I don't know where he's
1:27:12
Speaker 1: coming out, but um, you know that's where I would calculate. Okay,
1:27:16
Speaker 1: well here's a chance, like you know, is this dear
1:27:19
Speaker 1: a world record? Like where I you know, like where
1:27:22
Speaker 1: like and if I bump him and he runs, like
1:27:25
Speaker 1: I know, there's a guy in a tree stand, you know,
1:27:27
Speaker 1: freaking I could see him in my com binos, you
1:27:30
Speaker 1: know that would that would definitely have a have a factor.
1:27:34
Speaker 1: I've always been the kind of guy that like, you know,
1:27:38
Speaker 1: if well, if I bump them, I'll find another deer.
1:27:41
Speaker 1: You know, I'll go, I'll go, you know, hunt a
1:27:43
Speaker 1: different deer or whatever or if or if if something
1:27:45
Speaker 1: something happens with that. So I think that would take
1:27:48
Speaker 1: a play. But where I think guys have the most
1:27:52
Speaker 1: benefits if they like, if this is your forty and
1:27:55
Speaker 1: you know this thing like the back of your hand,
1:27:56
Speaker 1: like and you know where that dear is betted, You'll
1:27:59
Speaker 1: probably have a really a good idea of like, oh
1:28:01
Speaker 1: ship I could get in this story and I could
1:28:02
Speaker 1: be invincible, you know, I mean, how is your access
1:28:04
Speaker 1: if you can't if you got to run through the
1:28:07
Speaker 1: betting area or uh, you know, access will play a
1:28:10
Speaker 1: big factor. Um, I do not think I would be
1:28:13
Speaker 1: able to resist going in and hunting that deer in
1:28:17
Speaker 1: the morning. I think I would do that immediately and
1:28:19
Speaker 1: I and I think, you know, eight times out of
1:28:22
Speaker 1: those time, I'd probably come out with that deer. You know.
1:28:24
Speaker 1: But there's also the you know, the factor, well is
1:28:28
Speaker 1: he coming? Like one of your food plots, like is
1:28:30
Speaker 1: he coming? Are you seeing him come out? Is he traveling?
1:28:34
Speaker 1: Like can Like it's one of those things like avoiding obvious,
1:28:36
Speaker 1: like yeah, you might know he's better there, but are
1:28:38
Speaker 1: you seeing him in the evening? Like is he is
1:28:40
Speaker 1: he just making it out there at last light? To
1:28:42
Speaker 1: where like you think that a couple more days or
1:28:44
Speaker 1: a week you might kill him, you know, because you
1:28:47
Speaker 1: also got to think too, my biggest concern, Like in
1:28:49
Speaker 1: that situation, I think I'd probably be on that beer.
1:28:53
Speaker 1: You know, I would probably hunt him a couple I
1:28:55
Speaker 1: would hunt him in the evenings a few times if
1:28:57
Speaker 1: I was as scared to get in there and if
1:28:58
Speaker 1: nothing was happening, I would go to the deer instantly
1:29:00
Speaker 1: because I've lost out on so many deer that when
1:29:03
Speaker 1: they start getting squarely laid out over and when the
1:29:05
Speaker 1: ruck kicks in, somebody else is gonna shoot that deer
1:29:07
Speaker 1: anyway that deer is gonna be So if you only
1:29:09
Speaker 1: got forty eight years, you better get your get the
1:29:11
Speaker 1: let out and go after that sucker because the odds
1:29:14
Speaker 1: and him making it through a freaking rut and then
1:29:17
Speaker 1: through a gun season and then like you know, I
1:29:19
Speaker 1: feel like you're being patient and holding your vices are
1:29:23
Speaker 1: they're they're completely like you know, if you if you
1:29:26
Speaker 1: want to talk to me in a gambler man, you're
1:29:28
Speaker 1: more likely to succeed going in there, and maybe you
1:29:31
Speaker 1: might bump that buck out of there, but he's better
1:29:33
Speaker 1: there for a reason, You're more likely to succeed by
1:29:35
Speaker 1: pushing the envelope then, you know, betting on that thing
1:29:39
Speaker 1: making the entire season. Yeah, yeah, that's that's something that
1:29:42
Speaker 1: I always, uh have been reminding myself of, is that
1:29:45
Speaker 1: fact that they're betting somewhere for a reason. Like these
1:29:48
Speaker 1: deer they're not they're on a whim. They found a
1:29:51
Speaker 1: safe spot and even if you muck it up once,
1:29:53
Speaker 1: like they're gonna want to go back to it. Yeah,
1:29:55
Speaker 1: if you go in there every day for ten straight days,
1:29:57
Speaker 1: that he might be screwing things exactly. You I've seen
1:30:00
Speaker 1: people just butcher betting areas, like they're literally in there
1:30:04
Speaker 1: trying and no fault to them. Stuff they're trying to learn.
1:30:06
Speaker 1: So they go in there all the time. Well, that's
1:30:08
Speaker 1: not the best. You know that, that's not what you
1:30:11
Speaker 1: want to be doing, because because by us, for sure,
1:30:13
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna you're gonna run into that situation
1:30:15
Speaker 1: where you know, if that deer is getting pressured that much,
1:30:18
Speaker 1: he's probably gonna you know, it's just it's just the
1:30:21
Speaker 1: fact of it. You know, whether that be two times
1:30:24
Speaker 1: for that deer or six times, I could you know,
1:30:27
Speaker 1: I'm sure that will depend on how long he's been there.
1:30:29
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of times there're pecking order two,
1:30:31
Speaker 1: so who are like you know, some of them you
1:30:33
Speaker 1: don't want to move because that's there, that's their zone,
1:30:35
Speaker 1: Like they've earned that zone, they've worked for it, you know. Um,
1:30:38
Speaker 1: and if they move something else, a lot of times
1:30:40
Speaker 1: come in you know. And that's so I mean, there's
1:30:42
Speaker 1: a lot of different different ways to look at that too.
1:30:45
Speaker 1: But you mentioned you mentioned a couple of times that
1:30:48
Speaker 1: you would go in there and hunt that morning. You
1:30:50
Speaker 1: know right away you get in there instantly and take
1:30:52
Speaker 1: a stab at him. Do you mean that literally or
1:30:55
Speaker 1: do you mean like the first time conditions are right?
1:30:57
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm asking is, are there any certain
1:31:00
Speaker 1: types of weather triggers or something or moon or whatever
1:31:03
Speaker 1: that makes you think, Okay, this is the best possible
1:31:06
Speaker 1: day to hunt one of these mornings set ups? You know.
1:31:09
Speaker 1: I know that a lot of guys talk about red
1:31:11
Speaker 1: moon times or hunting cold fronts, different things like that.
1:31:14
Speaker 1: Do you wait for anything like that to give you
1:31:15
Speaker 1: a little better chance or do you just go? Um?
1:31:20
Speaker 1: I pretty much just I would pretty much go and
1:31:22
Speaker 1: I would just make sure that when I went in
1:31:25
Speaker 1: there to make the uh, like, I would make sure
1:31:30
Speaker 1: my ASSISI situation was right for for that time specifically. Now,
1:31:35
Speaker 1: if you got you know to that point, you know,
1:31:37
Speaker 1: if you've got a really on moon face coming up
1:31:39
Speaker 1: and you've got a nice food plot that you think
1:31:41
Speaker 1: this there is gonna be you know, that's more so
1:31:44
Speaker 1: like where okay, I'd probably time that, like if if
1:31:47
Speaker 1: it's gonna be one of those you know, you know,
1:31:50
Speaker 1: red moon times where you think that bluff is gonna
1:31:52
Speaker 1: be feeding being your food plotter in a nearby you know,
1:31:55
Speaker 1: as point in like three days. Well, I, you know,
1:31:58
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'd go in there, and I'd
1:32:01
Speaker 1: probably give that a shot, you know, if it all
1:32:04
Speaker 1: depended it on you know, what information I had to me,
1:32:06
Speaker 1: but not that I would wait for an optimal time
1:32:10
Speaker 1: to go in there. I would just make sure that
1:32:13
Speaker 1: when I went in there, I was completely right for
1:32:16
Speaker 1: you know now like you know that comes back you
1:32:18
Speaker 1: know on the property. I look at it and know
1:32:19
Speaker 1: where he's betting. It's just completely ship with these wins.
1:32:22
Speaker 1: I obviously wouldn't go in there then when I had
1:32:25
Speaker 1: these funds coming up for if I had any start
1:32:26
Speaker 1: of east Head, maybe make sure I had a you know,
1:32:30
Speaker 1: the best win for that spot. And it really makes
1:32:33
Speaker 1: it a lot a lot better and you can really
1:32:35
Speaker 1: think about it more when you know the area, Like
1:32:37
Speaker 1: if you've literally set boots on where you think he's
1:32:40
Speaker 1: bett it, well, then you can really forming at a
1:32:42
Speaker 1: game plan, and you might if you think he's so
1:32:45
Speaker 1: you know, dead's hed in that area, you can you know,
1:32:47
Speaker 1: you can wait a couple days like okay, it says
1:32:49
Speaker 1: it's gonna be chilly this morning. I'll probably be a
1:32:51
Speaker 1: stew a little long and owning I'm gonna slip back there,
1:32:53
Speaker 1: and I wanna you know, I want to. I'll catch
1:32:54
Speaker 1: him a little later coming to come into it better.
1:32:57
Speaker 1: So yeah, I would definitely, um, you know, used to
1:33:00
Speaker 1: is like that to my advantage. But I also like
1:33:03
Speaker 1: to never let that stop me from hunting. Like what
1:33:07
Speaker 1: I know, that's when it comes back to avoiding the obvious.
1:33:10
Speaker 1: I do believe in the moon phases, right, So I
1:33:13
Speaker 1: mean I've watched the moon. I take that into account.
1:33:15
Speaker 1: In no way or shape or form do I let
1:33:18
Speaker 1: that dictate, you know, everything about my hunt. I have
1:33:22
Speaker 1: killed great care on field as just when that moon
1:33:26
Speaker 1: tastes is seeing you know, to be in any it's
1:33:28
Speaker 1: that time. So it's just you know, in vice versa,
1:33:32
Speaker 1: it's I take it into account. You know, I'm taking
1:33:35
Speaker 1: account thing. Okay, if you're gonna be more like cakes
1:33:38
Speaker 1: to be feeding at the time, you know however that
1:33:40
Speaker 1: works to take you pull out whatever it is, make him,
1:33:43
Speaker 1: you know, more like that as a whole. Nothing beats
1:33:48
Speaker 1: that time. So it's like that, you know that that
1:33:50
Speaker 1: signs there and what you know, it goes into the
1:33:53
Speaker 1: moon fays Well, don't tell yourself. Oh well the moon
1:33:56
Speaker 1: phase says this, So I can't be hunting this right now.
1:33:58
Speaker 1: That's that's just I don't. I don't. I don't get
1:34:01
Speaker 1: that for sure. Yeah, I think that that makes a
1:34:04
Speaker 1: lot of sense. It can be a helpful you could
1:34:06
Speaker 1: be a helpful tool. But if you just like anything
1:34:09
Speaker 1: kind of a lot of things we talked about, right,
1:34:10
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different kind of tips out there
1:34:13
Speaker 1: or things that usually this is the case, but if
1:34:16
Speaker 1: you ever get too deep into any one of these,
1:34:19
Speaker 1: you start missing out on the obvious things that are
1:34:21
Speaker 1: all around you that you need to be taking advantage of. Exactly.
1:34:25
Speaker 1: There's just there's so many things that like, this guy
1:34:27
Speaker 1: might kill there, and he's a freaking and he's a
1:34:29
Speaker 1: he's a moon he's a moon advocate through and through.
1:34:33
Speaker 1: This guy might kill him, you know, all these big
1:34:35
Speaker 1: gear and he's a you know, betting area Taylor and
1:34:38
Speaker 1: two and through. And then you know you got an
1:34:40
Speaker 1: other guy was there that only hunts field there, just
1:34:42
Speaker 1: only hunts about a southeast wind and only not someone
1:34:46
Speaker 1: goddamn you know, a certain rare flowers, blood, you know,
1:34:49
Speaker 1: all those things might be great, but it's like we're
1:34:54
Speaker 1: a guy. I think he has to take those things in,
1:34:57
Speaker 1: you know, and and figure out, um, you know, figure
1:35:01
Speaker 1: out for yourself. You know. I was in what its helps,
1:35:03
Speaker 1: but it's it's you know, just like to that point.
1:35:06
Speaker 1: But you know I have, um, everybody's got thrown smile.
1:35:10
Speaker 1: But to be open and to and to be able
1:35:12
Speaker 1: to adapt, um is where you're ultimately going to be
1:35:16
Speaker 1: the it's gonna be the best hunter you can be.
1:35:19
Speaker 1: And and I think experiencing those things, like you know,
1:35:22
Speaker 1: you're better for him. Like you know, you go through
1:35:24
Speaker 1: those you're constantly learning, you know, and you've got to
1:35:28
Speaker 1: keep a constant open mind. If I see something like
1:35:31
Speaker 1: it against everything that we've been talking about, like on
1:35:35
Speaker 1: this podcast next year, I will completely throw everything out
1:35:38
Speaker 1: of the window and go into what I'm seeing, what
1:35:40
Speaker 1: is true, what's real right for me? So I think
1:35:42
Speaker 1: that's a um, you know, if if there's something where
1:35:46
Speaker 1: I think because I've I've been in that situation before too,
1:35:49
Speaker 1: like i've uh, you know, a big deer that I
1:35:53
Speaker 1: killed a couple of years ago. Like I was started
1:35:56
Speaker 1: to seeing silence, right on this road and I'm like,
1:35:59
Speaker 1: and I really see it, and I'm like, you know what?
1:36:01
Speaker 1: And I was thinking like, could that be here? Could
1:36:03
Speaker 1: that be this? You know, there's this big Bucks cup
1:36:06
Speaker 1: and hunting. No, No, he wouldn't be right here. He's
1:36:08
Speaker 1: a smart for that. He wouldn't be right here, you know,
1:36:10
Speaker 1: And until I slapped myself in the face and was like,
1:36:13
Speaker 1: who says He's like, well, you know, maybe that's the
1:36:15
Speaker 1: smartest before. You know, maybe this is where he and
1:36:18
Speaker 1: I mounted it. You know, I heard it that and
1:36:19
Speaker 1: then four days later I ended up telling it here.
1:36:21
Speaker 1: It's just one of those things that you've got to
1:36:23
Speaker 1: pull yourself out of that that, you know, making assumptions
1:36:26
Speaker 1: and you know, pigeonal and everything. Yeah. Yeah. If there's
1:36:31
Speaker 1: anything I've learned from, you know, running this podcast over
1:36:34
Speaker 1: the years, it's that there are so many different ways
1:36:37
Speaker 1: to do this thing, and you gotta stay open to
1:36:41
Speaker 1: new ideas and try things out and learn as you go.
1:36:45
Speaker 1: If you get stuck in a rut, I mean, that's
1:36:47
Speaker 1: one of the worst things you can do. Yeah. Yeah,
1:36:52
Speaker 1: So we're running up on time here, I'm gonna if
1:36:56
Speaker 1: I don't catch myself here, I'll sit here talking to
1:36:57
Speaker 1: me for six hours and your day is gonna shot. Um,
1:37:01
Speaker 1: So I want to just wrap it up with with
1:37:04
Speaker 1: a couple quick final questions. If you had to do
1:37:09
Speaker 1: a really quick like self analysis and think through what
1:37:12
Speaker 1: your biggest weakness is as a hunter, because we've talked
1:37:14
Speaker 1: about a lot of things that make you successful, why
1:37:18
Speaker 1: you've done so so well in the woods. But is
1:37:20
Speaker 1: there anything that you could pick out that might be
1:37:23
Speaker 1: a weakness of yours that you maybe its hurt you
1:37:26
Speaker 1: a little bit at some point as a as a hunter.
1:37:29
Speaker 1: And yeah, as a hunter, um not I think I
1:37:34
Speaker 1: get so I get so um caught up in there's
1:37:38
Speaker 1: there's probably two things that come that come around right
1:37:40
Speaker 1: away and when one would be um falling back into that.
1:37:47
Speaker 1: I think it's natural for everybody, and it's a big
1:37:49
Speaker 1: thing I preach because I know it's one of my weaknesses.
1:37:51
Speaker 1: And that's why I try and tell anybody who's interested
1:37:54
Speaker 1: in listening to not do it. And that's dwelling on
1:37:57
Speaker 1: the past. I there's so many times where I getting
1:38:00
Speaker 1: getting situations and I have that I have that corn
1:38:04
Speaker 1: and tore I should go in there and set up
1:38:06
Speaker 1: should dick me twenty minutes. It ends up taking me
1:38:08
Speaker 1: twenty minutes. Did I start to replay all highlight reels
1:38:11
Speaker 1: in my head and think about that slimmer that I killed,
1:38:14
Speaker 1: that that tree and oh that tree I set up before,
1:38:18
Speaker 1: it's a regular rock on the trim thing like it's
1:38:20
Speaker 1: right in the area. And I, like I said, I
1:38:23
Speaker 1: keep myselfing us again and I'm like, what are you doing?
1:38:25
Speaker 1: You know, like, that's not the trade this year. The
1:38:28
Speaker 1: trade this year is X trays over, Like, don't be lazy.
1:38:32
Speaker 1: He's trying something that tree to feed over and get
1:38:35
Speaker 1: down and and that I think that is a big
1:38:38
Speaker 1: I think, um, that's probably one day thing. And like
1:38:41
Speaker 1: I said, I try and um, I considered a weakness that,
1:38:44
Speaker 1: but but it's constant in my head. So it's something
1:38:47
Speaker 1: I personally I still hell for because you know, I
1:38:50
Speaker 1: think it's natural though you know, you know, thinking about
1:38:53
Speaker 1: things like that. The other thing would be, um, um,
1:38:57
Speaker 1: probably what I'm gonna focus on now, you know, more
1:39:01
Speaker 1: so spending more time on the archery end of things
1:39:06
Speaker 1: and the honey of things. Like it's it's weird, you know,
1:39:08
Speaker 1: you talk to different people and you see like where
1:39:12
Speaker 1: you know, you can see where their time is spent,
1:39:14
Speaker 1: and like, I'm so so much into the hunting and
1:39:17
Speaker 1: the chess game and the figure out that I'll I'll
1:39:19
Speaker 1: consistently create opportunities for myself the entire year. But like,
1:39:24
Speaker 1: like you know, it's like, dang, you know, I should
1:39:26
Speaker 1: have been shooting more like I didn't. You know, I
1:39:27
Speaker 1: didn't follow with that shot. I didn't follow through with
1:39:29
Speaker 1: that shot. So I you know, so I missed him,
1:39:31
Speaker 1: you know, or you know a lot of that kind
1:39:33
Speaker 1: of stuff. So I think maybe, you know, on the
1:39:35
Speaker 1: back end of things, you know, one of my biggest
1:39:37
Speaker 1: weakness is not looking at um all the aspects of it,
1:39:41
Speaker 1: you know, like like just archery, Like dude, man, you know,
1:39:44
Speaker 1: get tech, you with your you know, get familiar with
1:39:46
Speaker 1: your boat a little bit, you know, get to know this,
1:39:48
Speaker 1: get to know that, you know, do a little bit more.
1:39:50
Speaker 1: I'm so like just hunt, hunt, hunt, scout, scout scout,
1:39:53
Speaker 1: like you know, and and it's um, you know, not
1:39:57
Speaker 1: not a place I really put a lot of my time. Well, uh,
1:40:00
Speaker 1: that was gonna be. The next question is what's one
1:40:02
Speaker 1: thing you might do differently this year? So you got
1:40:05
Speaker 1: that one covered, which is interestingly one of the things
1:40:07
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be doing too. So um yea man, Cody,
1:40:11
Speaker 1: this is uh, this has been fun, really interesting stuff.
1:40:14
Speaker 1: I've enjoyed your perspective, I think, uh, I think a
1:40:17
Speaker 1: lot of it falls in line with a lot of
1:40:19
Speaker 1: things I've been thinking about. So this is great to
1:40:21
Speaker 1: hear from you. If if folks wanna I want to
1:40:25
Speaker 1: learn more about what you guys got going on with
1:40:27
Speaker 1: the gear and everything, you want to give us that
1:40:28
Speaker 1: website address for war time, Uh, it's www dot long
1:40:33
Speaker 1: Wolf Custom Gear dot com. Um. And you know we're
1:40:36
Speaker 1: also on on Facebook and Instagram. We just we just
1:40:38
Speaker 1: started those pages as well, so I mean we're gonna
1:40:41
Speaker 1: be uh posting stuff on there. Um And yeah, I
1:40:44
Speaker 1: mean that's that's pretty much will be the main avenue
1:40:46
Speaker 1: for the products. Um and uh well also to my
1:40:50
Speaker 1: you know, my personal Instagram page. I'd like to like
1:40:53
Speaker 1: I'll be putting out some inside scoops and some of
1:40:54
Speaker 1: the products and release dates down there as well, so
1:40:57
Speaker 1: that might be good avenue for people to get would
1:41:00
Speaker 1: check as well. Perfect well, I'll definitely make sure we've
1:41:03
Speaker 1: got those links up there. And man, I just want
1:41:05
Speaker 1: to thank you for taking the time to chat This
1:41:07
Speaker 1: is a lot of fun, Cody appreciate it. Yeah, thanks
1:41:09
Speaker 1: thanks again, Mark, Man, I just you know, that's what
1:41:11
Speaker 1: that's what we do. Man. We love talking about this stuff,
1:41:13
Speaker 1: so it's always fun. It is a good time, that's
1:41:16
Speaker 1: for sure. Well, until next time, Cody, good luck with
1:41:19
Speaker 1: your offseason prep and hopefully shoot some slammers. Is here?
1:41:23
Speaker 1: Yeah you too, Mark, and that's gonna do it. So
1:41:25
Speaker 1: I'll just leave you with a few quick reminders. Um
1:41:28
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