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Remembering Charlie · David Pollack Primetime

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Speaker 1: On this day, one year ago, Charlie Kirk was assassinated,
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Speaker 1: fatally struck in the neck by a single bullet fired
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Speaker 1: by a radicalized young man who had been fed a
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Speaker 1: lie that Charlie Kirk was some kind of Nazi who
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Speaker 1: had to be stopped. Charlie was 31 years old. He
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Speaker 1: left behind a wife who adored him, two small children,
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Speaker 1: a little girl and a little boy, waiting for their
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Speaker 1: dad to come home. And a legacy of faith and
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Speaker 1: a movement that couldn't be silenced no matter how hard
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Speaker 1: they tried. Tonight, we remember Charlie. Charlie Kirk was a
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Speaker 1: kid from Arlington Heights, Illinois, a suburb of Chicago, the
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Speaker 1: son of an architect and a counselor and Eagle Scout.
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Speaker 1: A boy who at 16, 16 years old, started listening
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Speaker 1: to talk radio and felt something wake up inside of him,
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Speaker 1: a love for this country and a conviction that the
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Speaker 1: young people of his generation HE WAS TAKEN INTO CUSTODY.
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Speaker 2: HE WAS TAKEN INTO CUSTODY.
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Speaker 1: HE WAS TAKEN INTO CUSTODY. HE WAS TAKEN INTO CUSTODY.
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Speaker 1: HE WAS TAKEN INTO CUSTODY.
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Speaker 2: HE WAS TAKEN INTO CUSTODY. HE WAS TAKEN INTO CUSTODY.
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Speaker 2: HE WAS TAKEN INTO CUSTODY. HE WAS TAKEN INTO CUSTODY.
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Speaker 2: HE WAS TAKEN INTO CUSTODY. HE WAS TAKEN INTO CUSTODY.
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Speaker 2: HE SAID HE WANTED A SAFE SPACE. HE SAID HE
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Speaker 2: WANTED A SAFE SPACE.
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Speaker 1: HANDING OUT FLYERS TO KIDS WHO IGNORED HIM, SETTING UP
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Speaker 1: A TABLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MOST HOSTILE TERRITORY
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Speaker 1: IN AMERICA, THE AMERICAN UNIVERSITY, AND SAYING THREE SIMPLE WORDS
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Speaker 1: THAT TERRIFIED THE LEFT.
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Speaker 2: PROVE ME WRONG. HE DIDN'T WANT A SAFE SPACE. HE
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Speaker 2: WANTED AN ARGUMENT.
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Speaker 1: HE BELIEVED DOWN TO HIS BONES THAT CONSERVATIVE IDEAS WOULD
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Speaker 1: WIN ANY FAIR FIGHT IF SOMEONE JUST HAD THE.
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Speaker 3: KID AT A.
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Speaker 2: FOLDING TABLE, BUILT THE LARGEST YOUTH MOVEMENT THIS COUNTRY HAS
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Speaker 2: EVER SEEN. HE REGISTERED VOTERS. HE FILLED ARENAS.
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Speaker 1: HE'S A MAJOR REASON, MAYBE THE SINGLE BIGGEST REASON, THAT
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Speaker 1: YOUNG AMERICANS ALL SWUNG TOWARDS DONALD TRUMP AND TOWARD COMMON
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Speaker 1: SENSE IN 2024.
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Speaker 2: PRESIDENTS TOOK HIS CALLS AND.
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Speaker 1: THROUGHOUT ALL OF IT, HE NEVER STOPPED SAYING THAT THE
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Speaker 1: MOST IMPORTANT THING ABOUT HIM was not the politics, it
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Speaker 1: was his faith, his wife Erica, his children, our God.
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Speaker 2: And that is the man they murdered on a Wednesday for.
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Speaker 1: The crime of standing at a microphone and challenging college-educated
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Speaker 1: liberals to defend their indoctrination.
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Speaker 2: He wasn't a racist or a fascist or any sort
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Speaker 2: of phobic person.
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Speaker 1: That was just the left's deflection from an unwinnable position,
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Speaker 1: afraid of the logic that you're not supposed to be
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Speaker 1: allowed to have on college campuses in America. It was
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Speaker 1: simply a man with a voice and a different opinion,
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Speaker 1: God forbid. He was murdered for having a voice.
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Speaker 2: And a different opinion. That's the lesson here, if there
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Speaker 2: is one.
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Speaker 1: To honor Charlie Kirk, we must honor the people's right
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Speaker 1: to have different opinions. BECAUSE IN THE YEAR SINCE CHARLIE
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Speaker 1: WAS KILLED, THE MAGA MOVEMENT, WELL, IT'S FRACTURED BECAUSE OF
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Speaker 1: AN INTOLERANCE OVER A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION. YOU SAW IT
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Speaker 1: AT LAST AMFEST, THE INFIGHTING, ACCUSATIONS, THE UGLINESS, CONSERVATIVES WHO
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Speaker 1: SHOULD BE SHOULDER TO SHOULDER INSTEAD OF TURNING THEIR FIRE
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Speaker 1: ON EACH OTHER.
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Speaker 4: LOOK.
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Speaker 2: WHY DOES THAT MATTER?
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Speaker 5: It is in danger, not just from a left that
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Speaker 5: all too frequently excuses everything up to and including murder.
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Speaker 5: The conservative movement is also in danger from charlatans who
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Speaker 5: claim to speak in the name of principle, but actually
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Speaker 5: traffic in conspiracism and dishonesty.
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Speaker 6: But Ben Shapiro is like a cancer and that cancer spreads.
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Speaker 7: I don't think we are friends anymore. I've been a
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Speaker 7: very good friend to Ben. Nobody knew who the heck
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Speaker 7: Ben Shapiro was when I started putting him on my
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Speaker 7: shows on the Fox News channel, and I helped make
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Speaker 7: him a star.
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Speaker 1: Charlie could sit across from anyone. He could disagree without hating.
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Speaker 1: He could hold a room full of people who agreed
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Speaker 1: on 80% of the issues and reminded them that the 80%.
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Speaker 2: Was what mattered. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER TODAY.
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Speaker 1: ON THE ANNIVERSARY OF HIS DEATH, WE MUST HEAL THE DIVISION,
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Speaker 1: THE INFIGHTING, AND STOP THE WEAKENING OF OUR MOVEMENT. TO
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Speaker 1: FRACTURE NOW WOULD GIVE AMERICA'S ENEMIES EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANTED.
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Speaker 1: THEY DIDN'T JUST WANT TO SILENCE ONE MAN. THEY WANTED
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Speaker 1: THE WHOLE THING TO It looks like they're succeeding. We
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Speaker 1: cannot let them succeed. Right now in Dallas, Texas, the
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Speaker 1: Republican Party is closing out a historic event, the first
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Speaker 1: ever midterm convention in the party's history, with Charlie Kirk's
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Speaker 1: memory hanging over every minute of it.
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Speaker 2: His widow, Erica, has picked up the.
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Speaker 1: Banner and carried it forward, asking the movement to do
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Speaker 1: one thing, honor Charlie by finishing the fight, by building
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Speaker 1: what she calls the Red Wall, by winning.
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Speaker 2: The midterms are weeks away. The party is gathered.
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Speaker 1: And the best way, the only way to honor a
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Speaker 1: man who gave his life so that young Americans could
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Speaker 1: hear the truth is not to turn on each other
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Speaker 1: over the last 20%. It's to remember the 80% we
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Speaker 1: have in common.
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Speaker 2: Every single day, Charlie showed up.
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Speaker 1: Made the case for America's greatness, fought back against the
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Speaker 1: radical left's evil indoctrination of our youth, and above all else,
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Speaker 1: fought for the glory of God.
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Speaker 2: Charlie can't do it anymore, so it falls on all
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Speaker 2: of us. It's time to.
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Speaker 1: Come together as a movement once again to put our
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Speaker 1: differences aside and to go win this next one for Charlie.
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Speaker 2: Still ahead.
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Speaker 1: The case against Charlie's accused killer is moving to trial, and.
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Speaker 2: Prosecutors say they have his confession.
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Speaker 1: Attorney Viva Fry is here on what happens next. Then
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Speaker 1: the conspiracy theories about Charlie's death that refuse to go away.
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Speaker 1: We won't repeat them here, but we're going to tell
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Speaker 1: you exactly why they spread, and we're going to take
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Speaker 1: a look at what TPUSA has become one year later.
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Speaker 2: All that's coming up. Stay with us.
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Speaker 1: Before the break, I told you about the radicalized young
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Speaker 1: man accused of pulling.
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Speaker 2: The trigger in the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Tonight, one
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Speaker 2: year to.
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Speaker 1: The day since that terrible morning, his case, well, it's
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Speaker 1: finally moving towards trial. Just last week, in a Utah courtroom,
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Speaker 1: District Judge Tony Graff looked at what prosecutors are calling
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Speaker 1: a mountain of evidence, and he ruled that Tyler Robinson
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Speaker 1: will stand trial on all seven counts, including aggravated murder. Robinson,
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Speaker 1: who is 23 years old, pleaded not guilty to all
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Speaker 1: of the counts, and the state has made its intentions
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Speaker 1: crystal clear. If he's convicted of that top charge, prosecutors
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Speaker 1: will seek the death penalty. The charges go well beyond
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Speaker 1: the shooting itself. Robinson is accused of aggravated murder. and
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Speaker 1: a felony discharge of a firearm, but he's also charged
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Speaker 1: with trying to cover his tracks afterward, obstruction of justice
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Speaker 1: for allegedly hiding the rifle and getting rid of his clothing,
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Speaker 1: and witness tampering for allegedly telling his roommate to delete
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Speaker 1: text messages and stay quiet. There's even a count for
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Speaker 1: committing a violent crime in front of children because when
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Speaker 1: Charlie was shot, there were families there with young people
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Speaker 1: in that crowd at Utah Valley University. When the single
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Speaker 1: most powerful piece of the state's evidence came out this
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Speaker 1: summer at the preliminary hearing, prosecutors played a recorded police
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Speaker 1: interview with Robinson's own roommate and partner, a person named
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Speaker 1: Lance Twiggs, and read aloud the text messages the two
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Speaker 1: exchanged in the hours after Charlie was shot. Listen to
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Speaker 1: what the state says Robinson wrote back when he asked
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Speaker 1: Point Blank if he had done it.
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Speaker 7: Look.
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Speaker 8: And then Lance replies, you weren't the one who did it, right?
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Speaker 8: And Tyler says, I am, I'm sorry. Lance says, I
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Speaker 8: thought they caught the person. And then Tyler says, no,
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Speaker 8: they grabbed some crazy old dude and interrogated someone in
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Speaker 8: similar clothing.
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Speaker 2: I am, I'm sorry.
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Speaker 1: That, according to prosecutors, is the accused assassin admitting to
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Speaker 1: it to the person closest to him the very day
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Speaker 1: it happened. Now, here's what the fight ahead is actually
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Speaker 1: going to be about, because the defense has not offered
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Speaker 1: any real alternative story of what happened that day, no
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Speaker 1: claim that someone else did it. Instead, their battle is
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Speaker 1: over the death penalty itself. Robinson's attorneys are arguing that
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Speaker 1: the state is trying to force this case through Utah's
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Speaker 1: aggravated murder statute, the one that makes execution possible, a
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Speaker 1: statute that requires proving other lies beyond Charlie's were put
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Speaker 1: in high danger. Their argument, in the defense's own words,
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Speaker 1: there's one shot, there's one bullet, there's one victim. Legal
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Speaker 1: analysts say the whole game for that defense team IT'S
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Speaker 1: NOT JUST THE DEMOCRATS. THE DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT
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Speaker 1: THIS FOR A LONG TIME. IT'S NOW A SIMPLE ONE,
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Speaker 1: KEEP THEIR CLIENT OFF OF DEATH ROW. SO WHERE DOES
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Speaker 1: IT GO FROM HERE? THE NEXT COURT DATE IS IN
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Speaker 1: OCTOBER ON THE 23RD. AND TO WALK US THROUGH ALL
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Speaker 1: OF IT, WHAT HAPPENS NEXT, WHAT WE LEARN, WHAT THE
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Speaker 1: DEFENSE IS GOING TO TRY TO DO, I WANTED TO
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Speaker 1: BRING BACK MY FRIEND, LAWYER AND LEGAL COMMENTATOR, VIVA FRIE. VIVA,
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Speaker 1: WELCOME BACK TO THE PRIME TIME. LOOK, CONSPIRACIES ASIDE OF
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Speaker 1: WHAT THEY THINK HAPPENED OR WHO DID Tyler says, yes,
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Speaker 1: it was me. I did it if we were to
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Speaker 1: believe that those are authentic. The case is going to trial.
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Speaker 1: It seems that with the physical evidence, with the text messages,
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Speaker 1: if we watch the evidentiary hearing, it seems like the
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Speaker 1: case is pretty.
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Speaker 2: Strong against Tyler Robinson. What's next now? And where do
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Speaker 2: you think this thing goes from here?
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Speaker 9: Well, I mean, to back it up to the seven charges,
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Speaker 9: the preliminary hearing, the judge clearly had thought out his
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Speaker 9: ruling over the last couple of months and had come
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Speaker 9: to his conclusion for right or for wrong. Some people
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Speaker 9: will say the judge had a foregone conclusion, was going
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Speaker 9: to bind over on all seven charges. I did think
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Speaker 9: for a second that maybe there would not have been
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Speaker 9: a bind over on the seventh charge, which was a
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Speaker 9: commission of a violent act in front of children. And
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Speaker 9: maybe the judge would say the expectation is that this
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Speaker 9: is a university. There wouldn't be minors under 14 there.
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Speaker 9: But nonetheless, he found a probable cause on that bind
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Speaker 9: over for the seventh charge. It's the sixth charge where
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Speaker 9: not the witness tampering of delete this text, but Tyler
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Speaker 9: Robinson telling Lance Triggs to stay quiet and get a lawyer.
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Speaker 9: I was kind of surprised that the judge would even
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Speaker 9: come to the conclusion in the context of everything that
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Speaker 9: could be witness tampering. I mean, it's immaterial at the
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Speaker 9: end of the day. The main charge is the aggravated
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Speaker 9: murder with the... reckless discharge of a firearm.
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Speaker 2: In a crowd. But the main charge is the aggravated murder.
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Speaker 2: That's the one that carries the death penalty.
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Speaker 9: And he's going to go to trial over that. People
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Speaker 9: were making hay over the fact that he pleaded not
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Speaker 9: guilty after being arraigned right after probable cause was found
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Speaker 9: on all seven charges, as though that somehow is evidence
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Speaker 9: of Tyler Robinson's innocence, as though we didn't learn anything
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Speaker 9: from the Lindsay Clancy trial. He might plead not guilty
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Speaker 9: by reason of insanity. And I raised that argument later
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Speaker 9: on the bottom line, The evidence was there. I won't
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Speaker 9: use the term overwhelming evidence of guilt because that's what
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Speaker 9: the trial is for, but it was clearly sufficient evidence
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Speaker 9: for probable cause on all of the most meaningful charges,
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Speaker 9: and now what probably is going to happen, most people
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Speaker 9: are anticipating it, they'll strike a deal, and he'll plead
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Speaker 9: guilty if they take the death penalty off the table,
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Speaker 9: and we'll see when that happens.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't even know if the state wants to
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Speaker 1: offer him a deal. I mean, I think they want
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Speaker 1: to go full bore on him at this point.
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Speaker 2: I mean, considering.
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Speaker 1: The gravity of the situation, I think anything less than
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Speaker 1: a conviction and maybe even seeking the death penalty might
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Speaker 1: make people feel like they took it easy on him.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: This is a very tough case, but it should be
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Speaker 1: easy to prove. I mean, a jury, a lot of
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Speaker 1: people are asking about a jury. How can you find
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Speaker 1: a jury that's not familiar with this case that doesn't
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Speaker 1: feel one way or the other about Charlie Kirk? But,
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Speaker 1: you know, of course, in voir dire, that's the part
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Speaker 1: where you ask the jury for the audience, ask the
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Speaker 1: jury whether or not, you know, they can be objective,
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Speaker 1: whether they know Charlie or whether they had any certain
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Speaker 1: feelings towards him. I think this is going to be
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Speaker 1: a pretty easy case to prove for the prosecution, right?
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Speaker 9: For sure. First of all, when it comes to the jury,
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Speaker 9: we live in our online silo where we assume everybody
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Speaker 9: knows everything about this and is following it. I've met
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Speaker 9: people in real life who barely know who Charlie Kirk is,
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Speaker 9: and they don't know about the incident until you describe it,
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Speaker 9: and then they only know about it tangentially.
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Speaker 2: They don't live.
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Speaker 9: Online like we do. So they'll easily find a jury
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Speaker 9: that will not be tainted in advance despite some of
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Speaker 9: the massive... campaigns being waged by some. But I'm not
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Speaker 9: convinced that this is a case that they want to
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Speaker 9: actually go to trial for if they can get a
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Speaker 9: guilty plea with a statement from Tyler Robinson that would
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Speaker 9: all the people out there who believe that Tyler Robinson
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Speaker 9: is a total patsy, had nothing to do with it.
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Speaker 9: That would be more of a completion of this than
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Speaker 9: going to trial, putting everyone through the trauma of a
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Speaker 9: trial of this horrible, violent crime that so many of
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Speaker 9: us saw in real time. If they can get Tyler
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Speaker 9: Robinson to plead guilty, provide a statement that would confirm
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Speaker 9: that he has knowledge that nobody else would of his
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Speaker 9: involvement so that people would stop with some of these
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Speaker 9: conspiracy theories. I still wholeheartedly believe that other people were
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Speaker 9: involved and who knows, maybe Tyler Robinson pleads guilty, gets
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Speaker 9: the death penalty off the table if he provides a
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Speaker 9: statement that actually implicates others who had advanced knowledge of.
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Speaker 10: This We'll see.
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Speaker 9: But I'm not convinced that the prosecution would want to
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Speaker 9: go full bore if they could get a guilty plea
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Speaker 9: with a statement that would quell a lot of the
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Speaker 9: more nefarious conspiracy theories that have been running rampant.
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Speaker 2: I don't even know, though, if he pled guilty.
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Speaker 1: I think the conspiracy theorists would just pivot to they
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Speaker 1: forced him to plead guilty so we wouldn't learn the truth.
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Speaker 1: I don't think a single thing can come out of
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Speaker 1: this trial that's going to convince some of these, you know, certain.
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Speaker 2: Conspiracy theorists to accept.
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Speaker 1: Any other narrative than the one they keep manufacturing, because
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Speaker 1: it matters so much to their bottom line, if you
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I think they're going to
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Speaker 1: continue the conspiracy theories. The trial will end. They'll say
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Speaker 1: they only got one of the perpetrators. No matter what,
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Speaker 1: it'll still be said. Now, to honor Charlie today, I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's a solemn day. The family has said, let the
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Speaker 1: trial speak for itself. I think I think We just
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Speaker 1: addressed the fact that after the trial is over, the
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Speaker 1: conspiracy theories probably won't go away. But do you think
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Speaker 1: it'll give at least a lot of the people mourning
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Speaker 1: Charlie today a sense of closure when there is a
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Speaker 1: conviction in this case or a plea? For the non-conspiracy theorists,
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Speaker 1: do you think the country will feel some sense of closure?
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Speaker 9: I think we should say if there's a conviction. There's
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Speaker 9: an outside chance that maybe it comes out that Tyler.
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Speaker 2: Robinson wasn't the one who pulled the trigger.
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Speaker 9: It was Bill in the blank, but that he was
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Speaker 9: working in cahoots with people.
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Speaker 2: Crazier things have happened.
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Speaker 9: What would be the closure is if people heard a
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Speaker 9: statement saying, from Tyler Robinson that contained information that only
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Speaker 9: he could have so that they couldn't say, as goes
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Speaker 9: the trope, that the feds overcharged so they could coerce
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Speaker 9: a plea deal because, alas, in the Brian Cole Jr.
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Speaker 9: pipe bomber case, they got him to confess, and now
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Speaker 9: they tack on massive charges so they can coerce a
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Speaker 9: plea deal. That's how they do it. Everybody knows that's
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Speaker 9: how they do it. So you will expect people to
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Speaker 9: have that reflex. Oh, they added the aggravated murder to
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Speaker 9: coerce a plea deal, and it's a faulty or fraudulent claim.
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Speaker 9: He's still innocent, but he's being coerced to say this.
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Speaker 9: If there were a trial and people.
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Speaker 2: Could actually see the evidence, because people say.
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Speaker 9: We haven't seen X, Y, and Z by way of evidence.
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Speaker 9: There's a lot of evidence that we haven't seen yet.
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Speaker 9: There's a lot of evidence that's in possession of the
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Speaker 9: defendants that we haven't seen yet. If it goes to
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Speaker 9: trial and you actually see the forensic analysis of the
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Speaker 9: cell phone, you get confirmation that these text messages, which
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Speaker 9: the defense hasn't even denied even to this day, are authentic.
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Speaker 9: You'll get the middle ground people who might have been
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Speaker 9: entertaining certain ideas to say, okay, fine, this is what
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Speaker 9: the evidence ultimately showed after an adversarial process.
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Speaker 2: It's true, though.
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Speaker 9: There's going to be 5% who are going to say,
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Speaker 9: it's all falsified. We can't have the evidence because the
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Speaker 9: absence of the evidence is the evidence, and they'll never
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Speaker 9: give it to us if a foreign state was involved.
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Speaker 9: We have to be a government actor. So yeah, there'll
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Speaker 9: be some people that you'll never be able to convince.
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Speaker 9: But a trial that goes on for five, however long
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Speaker 9: it goes on for, where you see the evidence, typically
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Speaker 9: it leads to some form of closure. But I do
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Speaker 9: think in this case, If they can get a plea
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Speaker 9: deal that would assuage the conspiracy theorists and spare re-traumatizing
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Speaker 9: everyone with what would be a brutal, brutal prosecution, I
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Speaker 9: think they would look for that out, which would spare
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Speaker 9: the guy's life if indeed he faces a death penalty,
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Speaker 9: would stay true to Erica Kirk's forgiveness of him, would
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Speaker 9: stay true to Christian values, which is forgiveness. We won't
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Speaker 9: kill him, but he'll spend the rest of his life
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Speaker 9: in jail thinking about what he's done and maybe... you know,
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Speaker 9: in as much as people can be saved on a deathbed,
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Speaker 9: maybe that happens. But no, I mean, I think a
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Speaker 9: trial would help, especially when the evidence is a juice, um,
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Speaker 9: maybe even more so than, uh, some sort of guilty plea.
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Speaker 1: Well, look, I think, uh, if the trial does happen,
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Speaker 1: when it happens, it'll certainly be a lot of big
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Speaker 1: news and make Lindsay Clancy look like, uh, like a
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Speaker 2: But look, the important part to come out of this.
18:38
Speaker 1: Is justice, justice for Charlie, justice for all the people
18:42
Speaker 1: whose lives were affected by this.
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Speaker 2: Man's accused killer's actions. And we'll see where it goes.
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Speaker 1: The important thing is that nobody does what this man
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Speaker 1: ever did to anybody else. Viva, thank you so much
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Speaker 1: for being here. And thank you for offering your insights
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Speaker 11: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: While the trial against Charlie's alleged killer proceeds in a
21:01
Speaker 1: Utah courtroom, an entire universe of alternate theories has been
21:07
Speaker 1: developed on social media and throughout the rest of the
21:09
Speaker 1: podcast world. Theories not even conceived by Robinson's own defense team. Now,
21:15
Speaker 1: I'm not going to repeat all the conspiracy theories tonight,
21:18
Speaker 1: certainly not on the anniversary of Charlie's murder, especially with
21:21
Speaker 1: his wife and children in America grieving. But I wouldn't
21:25
Speaker 1: be bringing you the whole story if I just stood
21:27
Speaker 1: here and pretended they weren't out there, spreading and fast
21:31
Speaker 1: in some instances, including among people who genuinely love Charlie.
21:35
Speaker 1: So let's leave the what alone and let's talk about
21:39
Speaker 1: the why. Because here is what history teaches us every
21:43
Speaker 1: single time this country loses someone as big and influential
21:47
Speaker 1: like Charlie Kirk, someone like JFK or Robert Kennedy or
21:50
Speaker 1: even Martin Luther King. The theories, the conspiracy theories, they
21:53
Speaker 1: come every single time.
21:55
Speaker 2: And it's not.
21:56
Speaker 1: Because people are just gullible or desperate for an imagination.
22:02
Speaker 2: It's something deeper.
22:03
Speaker 1: It's human, really, because the mind rebels at the idea
22:07
Speaker 1: that one small, hateful, radicalized youth could erase a man
22:12
Speaker 1: who mattered so much as Charlie. The size of the
22:15
Speaker 1: loss seems to demand an explanation just as big. Tyler
22:19
Speaker 1: Robinson with a rifle, it just doesn't feel like enough.
22:22
Speaker 1: So people obviously look for something more. And in 2026,
22:26
Speaker 1: in an age with an Internet that pays people, actually
22:30
Speaker 1: pays them in clicks and in dollars, it's certainly easy
22:33
Speaker 1: for people with the wildest imaginations to come up with
22:36
Speaker 1: the wildest stories to satisfy the need for a bigger conspiracy.
22:41
Speaker 1: We also have to consider the fact that we live
22:43
Speaker 1: in a country whose people have been given every reason
22:46
Speaker 1: under the sun to distrust the institutions that are supposed
22:49
Speaker 1: to tell them the truth. Media that's lied to them,
22:52
Speaker 1: a government that has spied on them, experts who are
22:54
Speaker 1: wrong about nearly everything. And here's the hard truth in
22:58
Speaker 1: that when people have been taught to trust nothing, sometimes
23:02
Speaker 1: it's easy to believe anything. Charlie's family, his closest friends,
23:06
Speaker 1: They've pleaded with people to simply look at the evidence
23:08
Speaker 1: that's being laid out in that courtroom in Utah, holding
23:11
Speaker 1: firm that there is something where the answers lie in
23:16
Speaker 1: the official narrative, not in the comments section. Now, to
23:19
Speaker 1: dig into the conspiracies and what it says about the
23:22
Speaker 1: state of this country, honored to welcome back comedian, commentator,
23:25
Speaker 1: personal friend of Charlie Kirk, friend of mine, Mr. Primetime,
23:28
Speaker 1: Alex Stein. Welcome, David Pollak, Primetime. Sorry, I didn't steal
23:31
Speaker 1: your name. It's just the time in which this show airs.
23:35
Speaker 4: Um, you stole it, David, but it's okay. But listen, listen, uh,
23:39
Speaker 4: you know, you had a great monologue and I think
23:41
Speaker 4: everything you said was right on the money, but I
23:43
Speaker 4: will say this though, after the COVID pandemic, People have
23:48
Speaker 4: lost faith in the government. So what is called cognitive dissonance,
23:52
Speaker 4: the definition of that is the fact that you know
23:54
Speaker 4: the government is lying to you, but the people still
23:57
Speaker 4: believe the COVID narrative. They still took the vaccine. So
24:00
Speaker 4: a lot of people realize that the government is going
24:02
Speaker 4: to continue to tinkle on us and tell us it's raining.
24:06
Speaker 4: So I think it is actually a little healthy to
24:07
Speaker 4: ask questions. I know Charlie asked questions about the Butler
24:10
Speaker 4: assassination attempt and I think that's actually healthy to have
24:13
Speaker 4: these conversations, but when it comes to the controversies and
24:16
Speaker 4: the conspiracies surrounding Charlie Kirk's assassination, they're asking the wrong questions.
24:21
Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's very obvious that Tyler Robinson
24:24
Speaker 4: was the killer, but they should be asking, what does
24:26
Speaker 4: Lance Twiggs have to do with this? What are the
24:28
Speaker 4: Discord messages? Like, there are questions that we should be asking,
24:32
Speaker 4: but blaming Erica Kirk, an innocent woman, that there's zero
24:36
Speaker 4: evidence that she had anything to do with her husband's death, or...
24:39
Speaker 4: former employees or current employees of Turning Point USA that
24:42
Speaker 4: worship the ground that Charlie walked on, the idea that
24:45
Speaker 4: they would assassinate their leader, the guy that basically was
24:49
Speaker 4: the reason for any success that they had, no disrespect
24:51
Speaker 4: to them, but I mean, let's be real, he created
24:53
Speaker 4: the biggest political organization in the world and they were
24:55
Speaker 4: a part of that because of Charlie's hard work. They
24:58
Speaker 4: would have no incentive to kill Charlie Kirk. So I
25:01
Speaker 4: think it's okay to ask questions. I just think they're
25:03
Speaker 4: asking the wrong questions.
25:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I agree with you.
25:06
Speaker 1: It is okay to ask questions, and it makes sense
25:08
Speaker 1: that we don't have all of the answers. I mean,
25:11
Speaker 1: there's still a trial that has to go on. I'm
25:14
Speaker 1: sure the people investigating the murder aren't rushing to give
25:18
Speaker 1: Candace Owens all of the evidence that they're holding for trial.
25:21
Speaker 1: So there is, I can understand where the speculation comes from,
25:24
Speaker 1: but you make an excellent point. After COVID, people are
25:27
Speaker 1: not just going to accept the narrative. They're going to
25:29
Speaker 1: ask questions, and it is healthy. The unfortunate part, Alex,
25:32
Speaker 1: is that In this heightened need for information, this heightened
25:39
Speaker 1: distrust for the official narrative, exactly like you said, people
25:42
Speaker 1: took an opportunity to take cheap shots at people. There's
25:45
Speaker 1: no conspiracy theory that allows them to kind of take
25:49
Speaker 1: those leaps. And Erica Kirk is a perfect example in
25:51
Speaker 1: the attacks on her. the suggestions that she had something
25:54
Speaker 1: to do with. And again, I didn't want to get
25:55
Speaker 1: into the conspiracies because they're not even worth repeating in
25:57
Speaker 1: some instances. But the fact that some people have taken
26:00
Speaker 1: the opportunity in that vacuum and in that distrust to
26:03
Speaker 1: kind of exploit this, and I think that's really the
26:05
Speaker 1: shameful part of this, right?
26:08
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, it's the internet. I wear a
26:10
Speaker 4: tug-friendly bathing suit to city council. I don't have that
26:12
Speaker 4: much shame. A lot of these people out there, they
26:14
Speaker 4: wouldn't have a job. They couldn't work a normal nine-to-five job.
26:18
Speaker 4: So they go on the internet and they act shameless.
26:20
Speaker 4: So It's like I'm not surprised because when it comes
26:23
Speaker 4: to Charlie Kirk, he was constantly attacked while he was alive.
26:26
Speaker 4: You know, the South Park episode that went after him,
26:28
Speaker 4: Charlie took that with a grain of salt and turned
26:30
Speaker 4: his profile picture into the South Park version of himself.
26:34
Speaker 4: So Charlie was attacked literally while he was still alive.
26:37
Speaker 4: So I'm not surprised that he's getting attacked after his death.
26:40
Speaker 4: But sadly, those attacks are coming from people that he
26:42
Speaker 4: considered his good friends. So I think that's where it's
26:44
Speaker 4: really so disheartening. is the fact that people like Candace, who, listen,
26:48
Speaker 4: she was close to Charlie. She's allowed to ask questions,
26:50
Speaker 4: but for her to attack Erica Kirk, for her to
26:52
Speaker 4: come up with airplanes and this and that, there's no
26:57
Speaker 4: concrete evidence to really prove any of her claims correct.
27:00
Speaker 4: So it just comes with the hard line to walk.
27:04
Speaker 4: What is a healthy amount of questions to ask? And
27:07
Speaker 4: what are personal attacks because of jealousy or because of
27:11
Speaker 4: personal vendettas? So it's just It's a very complicated situation
27:14
Speaker 4: when it really shouldn't be because we are about to
27:17
Speaker 4: have this trial, and a lot of those answers that
27:19
Speaker 4: we don't have will be answered. So, you know, we
27:22
Speaker 4: just kind of have to let it all play out.
27:24
Speaker 4: But once again, I don't think it's, like, unhealthy to
27:28
Speaker 4: start asking questions surrounding this, but I don't think we're
27:31
Speaker 4: asking the right questions. We've lost a lot of distrust
27:34
Speaker 4: in the government. Governor Whitmer was kidnapped basically by a
27:37
Speaker 4: bunch of FBI agents, and there's all kinds of, you
27:40
Speaker 4: know— There's all kinds of funny business that the government
27:43
Speaker 4: has done. So I think it's OK that the government,
27:45
Speaker 4: you know, that we have distrust in the government. But
27:48
Speaker 4: Erica Kirk does not deserve that. You know, the McCoys,
27:52
Speaker 4: Andrew Colvette, like they didn't have anything to do with
27:55
Speaker 4: Charlie's death. So I don't like the personal attacks on them.
27:57
Speaker 4: But distrusting the government, I'll say that's healthy. But it's
28:01
Speaker 4: just a sad situation because Charlie's legacy was so monumental
28:06
Speaker 4: and it's really tarnished it. And even when I, you know,
28:09
Speaker 4: I still get to represent Turning Point USA. And when
28:11
Speaker 4: I post that I'm going to a school, I read
28:13
Speaker 4: all these comments.
28:14
Speaker 2: Oh, you're a shill.
28:15
Speaker 4: You're responsible for his death. And I just get some
28:17
Speaker 4: of the most disgusting, you know, allegations. And I had
28:20
Speaker 4: nothing to do with his death. So I can't imagine
28:23
Speaker 4: what the people that were closest to Charlie feel, because
28:25
Speaker 4: I don't like the way that it feels when people
28:27
Speaker 4: accuse me and, you know, throw baseless accusations at me.
28:30
Speaker 4: I just can't imagine the pain that they're going through.
28:33
Speaker 4: So I'm ready to get some closure and to see
28:36
Speaker 4: Tyler Robinson get found guilty. And but sadly, I don't
28:40
Speaker 4: think that that's going to shut these people up. They're
28:42
Speaker 4: going to continue to, I guess, question the narrative.
28:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, unfortunately.
28:47
Speaker 1: And look, like you said, it's OK to question whatever
28:49
Speaker 1: you want. I think it's our duty at this point.
28:51
Speaker 1: But man, the baseless attacks and dishonoring Charlie's legacy. And then,
28:55
Speaker 1: of course, the division within our own movement. If there's
28:57
Speaker 1: not you know, there's no bigger dishonor to Charlie than not.
29:01
Speaker 2: It's not. It's OK. We disagree.
29:03
Speaker 1: But to man, to tear apart the movement that he
29:06
Speaker 1: literally died building, that is the most disrespectful way, I think,
29:10
Speaker 1: to carry on this conversation.
29:11
Speaker 2: We could disagree.
29:12
Speaker 1: I think Charlie's legacy demands that we do. But there's
29:15
Speaker 1: a difference between disagreeing and then blaming people and then
29:17
Speaker 1: using that blame to divide the movement. And I think
29:20
Speaker 1: that's where this thing went wrong. But Alex, thank you
29:23
Speaker 1: so much for being here. And thank you for sharing
29:25
Speaker 1: your insights on this. This is definitely a tough day
29:28
Speaker 1: for a lot of people.
29:30
Speaker 4: It's tough for me, and it's tough for a lot
29:32
Speaker 4: of people. You know, seeing Charlie die, we were all affected,
29:35
Speaker 4: whether we knew him or not, whether we were personal
29:37
Speaker 4: friends or whether we worked at Turning Point. So I
29:40
Speaker 4: know a lot of people are going through pain, and
29:42
Speaker 4: with time, that pain gets a lot easier, but it
29:44
Speaker 4: seems like we're just continually opening that wound. So thank
29:49
Speaker 4: you for having me, David, and I appreciate you honoring
29:51
Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk's legacy. So keep up the good work, and
29:54
Speaker 4: thank you to everybody at OAN. Love you guys. Thank you, Alex.
29:57
Speaker 2: Appreciate you being here.
29:59
Speaker 1: When we come back, they wanted to stop him. What
30:02
Speaker 1: they got was a revival instead. The story of what
30:05
Speaker 1: Turning Point USA has become in the year since they
30:08
Speaker 1: took Charlie from us.
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Speaker 1: We've spent this hour with Charlie Kirk, who he was
30:55
Speaker 1: and what was taken from all of us a year
30:56
Speaker 1: ago today.
30:57
Speaker 2: But if you want to understand.
30:59
Speaker 1: Why the people behind this failed, why they were always
31:03
Speaker 1: going to fail, you don't have to look how the
31:07
Speaker 1: story ended because it didn't. You have to look at
31:10
Speaker 1: what Charlie Kirk built and where this story goes and
31:15
Speaker 1: what that moment is doing right now all across this country.
31:19
Speaker 1: Because turning point, was never just a one-man gig. It
31:23
Speaker 1: was never just Charlie and his microphone. Sure, that's how
31:26
Speaker 1: it started. But it's become one of the most powerful
31:30
Speaker 1: movements in America. And in the years since we lost Charlie,
31:34
Speaker 1: it hasn't slowed down not even a bit. It has exploded,
31:39
Speaker 1: in fact, and there are now more than 1,100 college
31:42
Speaker 1: chapters and over 3,000 high school chapters. The 54,000 requests
31:47
Speaker 1: to start new ones in the days after his death
31:50
Speaker 1: have since swelled past 135,000. The tour he was on
31:55
Speaker 1: the day he died, the one they believed they had silence, well,
31:59
Speaker 1: it rolls on too. Now it's called Turning Point Tour,
32:02
Speaker 1: packing arenas and marching straight onto the most hostile campuses
32:06
Speaker 1: in the country. But it reaches so far beyond the
32:10
Speaker 1: Quad now. There is Turning Point USA Faith. Waking up
32:14
Speaker 1: pastors and churches from coast to coast. There's Turning Point
32:17
Speaker 1: USA Rise, the largest minority conservative movement in the nation.
32:21
Speaker 1: There's TPUSA Communities, organizing not just students, but adults, families,
32:25
Speaker 1: and young professionals in their own hometowns. There's Turning Point Action,
32:30
Speaker 1: the political muscle that helped turn out the young vote
32:33
Speaker 1: that put Donald Trump back in the White House. There's
32:36
Speaker 1: an entire education wing building pro-America curriculum. for families walking
32:41
Speaker 1: away from a broken school system. And just this month,
32:44
Speaker 1: the Trump administration named Turning Point a lead partner in
32:48
Speaker 1: a national coalition to teach the next generation what it
32:52
Speaker 1: actually means to be American, right in time for this
32:57
Speaker 1: nation's 250th birthday. Whole states, Texas, Oklahoma, are now racing
33:02
Speaker 1: to put a chapter on every single campus within their borders.
33:05
Speaker 1: And that is the answer to the evil of one
33:08
Speaker 1: year ago.
33:09
Speaker 2: They wanted a funeral. What they got, well, it was
33:12
Speaker 2: a revival.
33:13
Speaker 1: And underneath all of it, every chapter, every tour, every
33:17
Speaker 1: rally runs the one thing Charlie always said mattered more
33:22
Speaker 1: than politics ever could. Faith is love for Jesus Christ.
33:27
Speaker 1: That is the rock this whole movement is built on.
33:30
Speaker 1: And that is why it will outlast every enemy that
33:34
Speaker 1: ever comes its way. My next guest lives this mission
33:38
Speaker 1: every single day, an Olympian who travels the country, campus
33:41
Speaker 1: to campus, meeting the young Americans now carrying Charlie's torch.
33:46
Speaker 1: Let's talk about where this movement goes. I'm honored to
33:49
Speaker 1: welcome Anthony Watson. Welcome back to David Pollak Prime Time.
33:54
Speaker 1: Tough day, but an important one because we're remembering Charlie
33:58
Speaker 1: and not just are we remembering Charlie, but now we're
34:01
Speaker 1: looking at where his legacy goes and it's turning into
34:04
Speaker 1: real action, right, Anthony?
34:06
Speaker 11: Oh, I would say so. I mean, you look at
34:08
Speaker 11: everything that happened the moment when he was taken away
34:11
Speaker 11: from us, you know, movements. I keep telling everybody. I
34:14
Speaker 11: don't really like it when people consider us a conservative movement.
34:17
Speaker 11: Woodstock was a movement. Woodstock is dead. BLM was a movement.
34:20
Speaker 11: BLM is dead. Conservatism has never been a movement because
34:23
Speaker 11: it's your lifestyle choice. And we believe that on this side,
34:26
Speaker 11: this is the choice that leads to longevity. And Charlie
34:29
Speaker 11: was somebody that was just conveying to the public common sense.
34:32
Speaker 11: And so now we get to continue all of that
34:34
Speaker 11: because he said it himself. He wanted Turning to Point
34:37
Speaker 11: to continue long after he was gone, but we didn't
34:39
Speaker 11: expect him to be gone so soon. But now the
34:42
Speaker 11: work continues. And, you know, as scripture puts it, it
34:44
Speaker 11: says the work is plenty, but the laborers are few.
34:47
Speaker 11: So in the wise words of myself that I tell
34:49
Speaker 11: everybody everywhere I go, it's not about what's next because
34:52
Speaker 11: we already know what's coming next. It's all about who's
34:54
Speaker 11: next and who's ready to take up the mantle and
34:56
Speaker 11: get busy and get doing the work.
34:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, it did start with a microphone
35:01
Speaker 1: and a man over the table, but it became so
35:04
Speaker 1: much more than that because Charlie tapped into so many
35:06
Speaker 1: students that were frustrated that they didn't have a voice.
35:09
Speaker 2: Charlie gave them a voice.
35:10
Speaker 1: He gave them a place to feel welcome on their
35:12
Speaker 1: own college campuses, and he did it by basically putting
35:16
Speaker 1: himself out front. Donald Trump famously said, you know, they're
35:19
Speaker 1: trying to get to you. I'm in the way. He
35:21
Speaker 1: did the exact same thing from a different perspective. He
35:25
Speaker 1: gave them a voice through him. And they tried to
35:28
Speaker 1: take Charlie away, but that didn't change a thing. Look
35:30
Speaker 1: at all the campuses. Now you go from high school
35:33
Speaker 1: to high school, colleges to colleges. You go and talk
35:35
Speaker 1: to young people everywhere. Young people now have a voice
35:38
Speaker 1: and they've never been more motivated, right?
35:41
Speaker 8: Oh, absolutely.
35:42
Speaker 11: You know, because this is the time that we're in
35:43
Speaker 11: right now. It's sad to say that the things that
35:48
Speaker 11: mean the most to people are never going to actually
35:50
Speaker 11: truly be seen for what they are. unless it costs
35:53
Speaker 11: you something.
35:54
Speaker 3: I think C.S.
35:54
Speaker 11: Lewis said it best. He said that you never know
35:57
Speaker 11: how true something is to you until it becomes a
35:59
Speaker 11: matter of life and death. Our whole country and our
36:02
Speaker 11: whole story as a nation has been the sacrifice of
36:05
Speaker 11: other people. Our forefathers died in warfare for a country
36:07
Speaker 11: that they just envisioned free from tyranny. And most of
36:10
Speaker 11: them didn't even get to live in it when the
36:12
Speaker 11: war was over. And Charlie Kirk fought for a free
36:15
Speaker 11: America where expression and freedom of thought and freedom of
36:18
Speaker 11: conversation That was a dying art and being heavily suppressed
36:22
Speaker 11: was something that he fought for. And it's something that
36:24
Speaker 11: inevitably led to his end. But the rest of us here,
36:28
Speaker 11: you know, with everything that we have and the things
36:30
Speaker 11: that he's built and put together for us, we refuse
36:32
Speaker 11: to let that be the end of the story for us.
36:34
Speaker 11: You know, it may have been the end of his chapter,
36:36
Speaker 11: but it's not the end of the story for us
36:38
Speaker 11: by any means.
36:39
Speaker 1: And what Turning Point has turned into, I think, is
36:42
Speaker 1: pretty impressive because, you know, you have the RNC and
36:45
Speaker 1: you have they're supposed to be getting out the vote.
36:47
Speaker 1: You have these other grassroots, national grassroots organizations.
36:51
Speaker 8: But.
36:51
Speaker 2: Turning Point, in my mind, has.
36:53
Speaker 1: Now become the most effective, I don't even want to
36:56
Speaker 1: call it a Republican grassroots organization, but it is certainly
36:59
Speaker 1: a conservative grassroots organization. And it's united people, young people,
37:04
Speaker 1: people of all ages together under really simple principles that
37:08
Speaker 1: have always lived under the banner of the Republican Party,
37:11
Speaker 1: but those conservative principles changed. the faith-based principles, the action-based principles,
37:15
Speaker 1: those people who really want to have a voice in
37:18
Speaker 1: their community and really know what's right. I mean, it's
37:22
Speaker 1: really inherently what's included in this MAGA umbrella. And that
37:26
Speaker 1: is what's moving forward. The political action wing of Turning Point,
37:31
Speaker 1: I think, is going to be an effective operation for
37:35
Speaker 1: elections to come, right?
37:38
Speaker 11: Well, of course, you know, at the end of the day,
37:40
Speaker 11: you know, we all want political allies to help us
37:42
Speaker 11: have a country that runs for the betterment of everybody else.
37:45
Speaker 11: That's what makes us different. We're not perfect by any means,
37:47
Speaker 11: and we still have our skeletons in the closet of
37:49
Speaker 11: things that we got wrong in the past. But for
37:52
Speaker 11: as bad as we are on paper, we're still the
37:54
Speaker 11: finish line for the rest of the world. And I
37:56
Speaker 11: tell everybody, I said, it still deserves to be fought for.
37:59
Speaker 11: Reagan said that freedom is one generation away from extinction.
38:03
Speaker 11: And we got really close to seeing that until the
38:05
Speaker 11: people finally got tired of being pushed aside. And for
38:08
Speaker 11: the longest time, it was the bigs telling the littles
38:10
Speaker 11: that this is what's happening and this is all we
38:12
Speaker 11: can do and this is how you have to take it.
38:14
Speaker 11: And for the first time in a long time, through Charlie,
38:16
Speaker 11: through the administration that we have, through all the work
38:18
Speaker 11: that we've been doing here at Turning Point, you finally
38:21
Speaker 11: had people feel emboldened to speak. And when you finally
38:24
Speaker 11: saw the majority turn out, we came out in numbers
38:26
Speaker 11: that crushed the opposition. So that should never give anybody
38:29
Speaker 11: any cause to be afraid of anything else. You know,
38:32
Speaker 11: but I tell everybody this. If we lose the United
38:34
Speaker 11: States of America, where do we go? We've got no
38:37
Speaker 11: other place to go. And Charlie said it himself the best.
38:39
Speaker 11: He said that America is the greatest country ever because
38:42
Speaker 11: this is a place where you can hate it, talk
38:43
Speaker 11: mad about it, and have every kind of issue with it,
38:46
Speaker 11: but still you'll never leave. And so I'm a firm
38:50
Speaker 11: believer that we still have a lot of work to do.
38:53
Speaker 11: And it's not something that's an overnight fix, but we've
38:55
Speaker 11: come a long way from where we've come before. But
38:57
Speaker 11: outside of just having political allies, I'm a Christian. And
39:00
Speaker 11: I want more people to come and know the Savior
39:02
Speaker 11: that I love and know and serve every single day.
39:04
Speaker 11: Because without having a moral compass that guides you to
39:07
Speaker 11: go to all of these places, to actually speak life
39:09
Speaker 11: into places where there's nothing but death and hopelessness, then
39:13
Speaker 11: what are we doing this for? At the end of
39:14
Speaker 11: the day, Charlie is in heaven right now, and he's
39:16
Speaker 11: living his best life eternally. And your eternity is something
39:19
Speaker 11: that you are 100% in control of where you spend it.
39:22
Speaker 11: And the message of the hour isn't just who you
39:24
Speaker 11: vote for. It's how you live. Because at the end
39:26
Speaker 11: of the day, the person that you need to take
39:28
Speaker 11: account for is yourself. Because death is coming to every
39:31
Speaker 11: single one of us. And if you're not mission-minded to
39:33
Speaker 11: be doing this for a greater good, for a bigger
39:35
Speaker 11: purpose that's bigger than yourself, then you're going to be
39:37
Speaker 11: like everybody else that started out really good but finished poorly.
39:41
Speaker 4: Oh, Anthony.
39:42
Speaker 1: Well said, my friend. I could tell you a lot
39:46
Speaker 1: of people agree with you completely. I agree with you completely.
39:48
Speaker 1: And You know, sometimes it seems like there's a lot
39:50
Speaker 1: of division, especially heading towards these midterms. And, you know,
39:53
Speaker 1: a lot of times you're looking around saying, can we survive?
39:56
Speaker 1: Can the coalition survive? And I think if we honor
40:00
Speaker 1: Charlie exactly the way you just laid out, I think
40:02
Speaker 1: the coalition can survive. But certainly I know I miss
40:06
Speaker 1: his voice right now. A lot of people miss his voice,
40:08
Speaker 1: but his legacy lives on. Anthony, thank you so much
40:11
Speaker 1: for all the work you're doing to carry on his
40:13
Speaker 1: legacy and to serve the.
40:14
Speaker 2: Mission, my friend.
40:15
Speaker 11: Thank you so much. I'll see you out in the field.
40:17
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
40:18
Speaker 2: Thanks for being here.
40:18
Speaker 1: 25 years ago tomorrow, the world changed forever. A first
40:23
Speaker 1: look at our special coverage of the 25th anniversary, a
40:26
Speaker 1: special 11th, and the day this country came together.
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42:11
Speaker 1: Tomorrow, this country will mark 25 years since the attack
42:15
Speaker 1: on 9-11. And while we spent this hour grieving a
42:18
Speaker 1: great American life stolen by evil, we also talked about
42:21
Speaker 1: coming together in the aftermath of tragedy. And tomorrow, our
42:26
Speaker 1: own Alex Camerata has put together something special for this anniversary.
42:31
Speaker 1: A half hour that takes you back through that day
42:36
Speaker 1: and through the extraordinary weeks and months that followed. when
42:39
Speaker 1: this nation remembered who it was. Because if you were
42:43
Speaker 1: alive in that September morning, you remember what came after.
42:48
Speaker 1: It wasn't just the terror or the towers or the
42:50
Speaker 1: Pentagon or that field in Pennsylvania. Nearly 3,000 souls gone
42:54
Speaker 1: in a single day. You remember what happened next. You
42:59
Speaker 1: remember the firefighters climbing the stairs while everyone else ran down,
43:02
Speaker 1: the stories of heroism, the lines around the block to
43:05
Speaker 1: give blood, the flags that went up on every porch
43:08
Speaker 1: and every overpass in America. For one moment, there were
43:12
Speaker 1: no red states or blue states. It was just America, wounded, grieving,
43:17
Speaker 1: but standing together as one. Joining me now with a
43:20
Speaker 1: special preview of tomorrow's A special show. Alex Camerata, welcome.
43:26
Speaker 1: Great job on this 9-11 special. I can't believe it's
43:30
Speaker 1: been 25 years.
43:32
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.
43:34
Speaker 1: So you went to New York, right? You spoke to survivors.
43:37
Speaker 1: You went and gathered all of this information together. What
43:40
Speaker 1: struck you 25 years later?
43:43
Speaker 3: One of the most compelling things, David, is that actually
43:45
Speaker 3: a third of the population has no recollection of 9-11.
43:47
Speaker 3: They were born post-9-11. So one of the things I
43:51
Speaker 3: learned at the memorial and the museum was that we
43:53
Speaker 3: have a whole generation that doesn't exactly know what happened
43:57
Speaker 3: because they weren't alive yet. And what they're learning about
43:59
Speaker 3: in history books and in history classes just doesn't really
44:03
Speaker 3: sum it up enough. And when you go to the museum,
44:05
Speaker 3: you really get that actual feeling of being at ground
44:08
Speaker 3: zero where the towers once stood. And it's so compelling.
44:11
Speaker 3: I mean, this is the worst terror attack on American soil.
44:14
Speaker 3: And you think 25 years later, we say never forget.
44:17
Speaker 3: But if you look at how New York is kind
44:18
Speaker 3: of unfolding right now, it seems like sometimes we do forget.
44:21
Speaker 3: So it's a stark reminder of just that day and
44:24
Speaker 3: how we can, like you said in your monologue, be Americans.
44:26
Speaker 3: No red, no blue. Just come together as patriots like
44:29
Speaker 3: we did on September 12th and thereafter.
44:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, for me, I was in college, and
44:34
Speaker 1: I remember September 11th. I remember waking up in the morning,
44:38
Speaker 1: watching the news, and I was like, what is going on?
44:40
Speaker 2: And it was about by 9 a.m.
44:42
Speaker 1: That we realized something terrible was happening when the second
44:44
Speaker 1: plane struck that other tower. And I remember what happened after.
44:48
Speaker 1: I mean, a lot of people signed up to fight.
44:51
Speaker 1: People were very patriotic. There wasn't politics for a good
44:55
Speaker 1: period of time. There was unity and tragedy. I remember
44:59
Speaker 1: the Benefit concert that came after. But What strikes me
45:02
Speaker 1: now is that 25 years later, you do ask the question,
45:04
Speaker 1: have we forgotten? And I'm going to talk about this
45:06
Speaker 1: tomorrow on my show. You wonder if we have forgotten
45:10
Speaker 1: because some people, I mean, obviously the younger people in
45:13
Speaker 1: this country, like my kids, they look at it like
45:16
Speaker 1: I look at like Pearl Harbor, right?
45:18
Speaker 2: My kids are like, that happened a long time.
45:20
Speaker 3: Ago, dad.
45:20
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, it really didn't. But the messages from it,
45:24
Speaker 1: you wonder if we're carrying those forward. And when you
45:27
Speaker 1: look at all I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO REMEMBER.
45:29
Speaker 1: I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO REMEMBER. WE'RE SUPPOSED
45:32
Speaker 1: TO REMEMBER THE feels like when we're all fighting as one, right?
45:48
Speaker 3: Absolutely. And in the piece, you'll see that there was
45:51
Speaker 3: acts of heroism. You had first responders, law enforcement. They
45:55
Speaker 3: didn't know the scale of the attack. They just at
45:57
Speaker 3: first got a call about one of the World Trade
45:59
Speaker 3: Centers being hit by a plane. First, it seemed like
46:02
Speaker 3: it was a small jet, and then they found out
46:03
Speaker 3: it was a commercial airline. And then the second plane
46:06
Speaker 3: hits the tower. But it didn't matter. The scale of
46:08
Speaker 3: the attack, they were running into those buildings with only
46:12
Speaker 3: one goal in mind, was to save as many people
46:14
Speaker 3: as possible. They had no idea what would transpire minutes
46:17
Speaker 3: later with those towers going down. Their whole idea was
46:20
Speaker 3: to try to rescue Americans. They didn't see any race, color, creed.
46:23
Speaker 3: They didn't see political sides. They just wanted to rescue people.
46:27
Speaker 3: And those are the true heroes that I wanted to
46:29
Speaker 3: highlight in the piece. And That's one of the compelling things.
46:31
Speaker 3: You talked about signing up for the military. I mean,
46:34
Speaker 3: so many Americans did that because they felt compelled to
46:36
Speaker 3: fight for our country, which it seems like now they're
46:40
Speaker 3: almost giving incentives to join the military. And you see
46:42
Speaker 3: a lot of that try to get the people to
46:44
Speaker 3: sign up in this country for our armed services. Back
46:46
Speaker 3: then it was, let's go to war. Let's fight this
46:48
Speaker 3: enemy that did this to us that killed nearly 3,000 people.
46:52
Speaker 3: And by the way, this just didn't happen in New
46:53
Speaker 3: York City. You had talked about it in the monologue
46:55
Speaker 3: as well. The Pentagon was struck. And the Shawshank, Pennsylvania plane,
46:59
Speaker 3: United 93, that went down. That had a one-way ticket
47:02
Speaker 3: to potentially the White House or the Capitol building. And
47:05
Speaker 3: if it wasn't for brave Americans on that plane who
47:07
Speaker 3: now we know years later wrestled the terrorists down and
47:10
Speaker 3: took control to basically stop that from happening, I mean,
47:13
Speaker 3: truly the acts of heroism pale in comparison to really
47:16
Speaker 3: anything else we've seen.
47:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's really the story that we should be
47:20
Speaker 2: taking forward, 9-11.
47:21
Speaker 1: We shouldn't be focusing on so much the causation, even
47:25
Speaker 1: if there's questions about it. What we should focus on
47:27
Speaker 1: is how America really showed its true colors and came
47:30
Speaker 1: together and spoke as one.
47:31
Speaker 2: Let's watch a clip from the special.
47:34
Speaker 5: This generation has exactly the courage of the generation.
47:38
Speaker 3: Before the Second World War.
47:39
Speaker 4: They inherited it.
47:40
Speaker 7: They were taught it.
47:42
Speaker 2: They have it.
47:43
Speaker 4: They're just as strong and they're just.
47:44
Speaker 3: As capable of defending themselves and defending democracy.
47:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, remember America's mayor.
47:49
Speaker 3: I remember Rudy Giuliani.
47:51
Speaker 1: He tirelessly, just every single day there at Ground Zero,
47:57
Speaker 1: trying to bring calm to a very chaotic situation.
48:00
Speaker 3: That clip from about September 12th, though, one at ground zero,
48:03
Speaker 3: he was foreshadowing how the country would come together and
48:07
Speaker 3: basically how the generation, like he said, had the courage
48:10
Speaker 3: to fight continued going into the future and not just
48:14
Speaker 3: stopping there. And it's so easy to throw up your
48:15
Speaker 3: hands in tragedy like that. But Rudy, America's mayor, who's
48:19
Speaker 3: a guest of One America News here, he just knew
48:22
Speaker 3: in that moment when chaos was around him, literally. I mean,
48:25
Speaker 3: the city was burnt down to the ground. He knew
48:28
Speaker 3: that we had the generation, the ones that actually saw
48:31
Speaker 3: 9-11 and were there, to basically rise up in the
48:34
Speaker 3: face of terror and tragedy and go in and just
48:37
Speaker 3: fight for the country and not worry about anything else.
48:39
Speaker 3: So that clip, I felt, was very compelling just because
48:42
Speaker 3: it really speaks to the moment, September 12th at Ground Zero.
48:47
Speaker 3: What's more tragic than that? And Rudy stood in the
48:49
Speaker 3: face of that and said what he said.
48:50
Speaker 10: Yeah.
48:50
Speaker 1: And there's also stories of both, you know, the victims
48:53
Speaker 1: and the survivors. And all of them have have stories
48:58
Speaker 1: that are just so compelling. Some of the people that
49:00
Speaker 1: ran in there was the guy with the red bandana
49:03
Speaker 1: was one who was just honored by President Trump. His
49:05
Speaker 1: family was honored by President Trump. There's so many stories
49:07
Speaker 1: of the brave people that just. ran into the face
49:11
Speaker 1: of danger. But then there was also the survivors, the
49:13
Speaker 1: people that have lived with the memory of 9-11. While
49:15
Speaker 1: the young people might not know about it, and maybe
49:17
Speaker 1: some of the older folks have forgotten, these people carry
49:21
Speaker 1: those memories forward.
49:22
Speaker 2: And it's for them that we also remember 9-11, right?
49:24
Speaker 2: And you have a clip from.
49:26
Speaker 3: That as well. One survivor talks about basically, as you'll see,
49:29
Speaker 3: how he lives his life now, knowing that he's got
49:31
Speaker 3: the survivors and the victims in the back of his
49:34
Speaker 3: head and how he wants to honor them. Take a look.
49:36
Speaker 12: When I get up in the morning, I try to think,
49:39
Speaker 12: What can I do in their name to make it
49:44
Speaker 12: a better world? And I can't tell you that I'm
49:48
Speaker 12: going to always be the steward of greatness, but I
49:51
Speaker 12: try my hardest to, in their spirit, in the name
49:54
Speaker 12: of 9-11 and the people that were taken from us senselessly,
49:58
Speaker 12: to be the best person I can.
50:03
Speaker 1: Going down there and talking to these people, and again,
50:05
Speaker 1: this memory, 9-11, it's always fresh in my mind, and
50:09
Speaker 1: probably yours as well.
50:10
Speaker 2: I mean, we lived through this.
50:12
Speaker 1: But going down there and sort of reliving it through
50:15
Speaker 1: the conversations that you had, what is the big takeaway
50:18
Speaker 1: for you on this 25th anniversary of 9-11?
50:21
Speaker 3: Well, it's just that. It's the 25th anniversary. But for
50:24
Speaker 3: so many people, thousands and thousands of people across the country,
50:27
Speaker 3: it's not just 9-11, 2025. It's 9-11 every day. You
50:31
Speaker 3: can't get past it. It was such a tragic, awful
50:34
Speaker 3: moment for these families. And every day is a reminder
50:37
Speaker 3: of what happened and why this happened. And they have
50:41
Speaker 3: to just come to terms with and try to continue
50:43
Speaker 3: on and live their lives. And, you know, I've heard
50:45
Speaker 3: stories of people just doing this because they felt like
50:47
Speaker 3: they had to. They felt like, the person that they lost,
50:50
Speaker 3: a relative, a brother, sister, husband, it didn't matter. They
50:53
Speaker 3: knew they had to continue on for them. And that
50:55
Speaker 3: was one of the big takeaways, also talking to folks
50:57
Speaker 3: at the memorial and the museum, how to be honored
50:59
Speaker 3: that way, because really it does come down to not
51:02
Speaker 3: only the victims, but how do we keep moving on?
51:05
Speaker 3: And these people that share their stories, when they do
51:07
Speaker 3: tell their stories, you think it'd be hard for them
51:09
Speaker 3: to tell, and it is, but they want to get
51:10
Speaker 3: the word out there and say, listen, we deal with
51:12
Speaker 3: this every day, but this is how we're going to survive.
51:14
Speaker 3: This is how we're going to keep moving on, because
51:16
Speaker 3: never forgetting is not just 9-11, 25, and then not
51:19
Speaker 3: worry about it until, or 26, not worry about it
51:22
Speaker 3: until 27. It's every day going forward.
51:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, on the other solemn anniversary of
51:27
Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk's assassination, that message resonates here, too.
51:30
Speaker 2: It's you remember by not just.
51:33
Speaker 1: Carrying the memory forward, but also having to honor the victims,
51:37
Speaker 1: both 9-11, honoring Charlie Kirk, by remembering that moment when
51:40
Speaker 1: all Americans can come together and really just put this
51:44
Speaker 1: country first. And, you know, that's the takeaway, and that's
51:46
Speaker 1: what I hope people remember is we can come together
51:49
Speaker 1: in the face of tragedy and something good can come
51:51
Speaker 1: out of evil.
51:52
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I just think also calling it what it is, right?
51:55
Speaker 3: Why it happened. Same thing with why Charlie Kirk was assassinated.
51:59
Speaker 3: We know leftist terror, right? In the same way that
52:02
Speaker 3: 9-11 happened, it was the Islamic terror. And that's just
52:05
Speaker 3: the facts of it. That's not any sort of spin
52:08
Speaker 3: or narrative. That's why it happened. And calling it why
52:11
Speaker 3: it happened can actually help us understand, hey, this is
52:14
Speaker 3: the problem that we're facing, and it's not going anywhere.
52:16
Speaker 3: In fact, it's probably heightened now more than ever. How
52:19
Speaker 3: do we stop that? How do we make sure that
52:20
Speaker 3: people learn from it? Like I mentioned, the third of
52:23
Speaker 3: the population has no clue without just reading. So it's
52:26
Speaker 3: on us to really tell that story. And I was
52:28
Speaker 3: so happy that I got an opportunity to do this
52:31
Speaker 3: for OAN here and excited to show it.
52:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, Alex, great job.
52:35
Speaker 1: Great job honoring the victims, showing the spirit of unity
52:38
Speaker 1: in the aftermath of a terrible tragedy 25 years later.
52:41
Speaker 11: Thanks, David.
52:41
Speaker 2: Appreciate it.
52:42
Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah.
52:44
Speaker 2: That's our show for tonight. Tough night.
52:46
Speaker 1: We remember Charlie, and tomorrow, another tough day. We remember
52:50
Speaker 1: 25 years since the buildings fell on 9-11, and we're dedicating.
52:53
Speaker 2: An entire program to it.
52:55
Speaker 1: You're going to hear from the survivors who lived through
52:57
Speaker 1: that morning, from the warriors who went and fought the
53:00
Speaker 1: war on terror that followed, and from experts on a
53:03
Speaker 1: hard and honest question how a quarter century and one
53:06
Speaker 1: long war later, radical Islam is now pushing deeper into
53:10
Speaker 1: the West.
53:10
Speaker 2: It's a program you won't want to miss.
53:12
Speaker 1: And as always, stay in touch with us on social media,
53:14
Speaker 1: David Pollak USA, or send us an email, davidpollakprimetime at oann.com.
53:19
Speaker 2: We'll see you tomorrow, same time, same place. And until then,
53:23
Speaker 2: stay classy, America.
53:24
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