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252: The Technology of Fandom · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 6: To your stations, we have a movie meltdown.
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  Speaker 7: You don't have the technology or the steady hands to
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  Speaker 7: pull off a procedure like that, so ha!
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  Speaker 8: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 9: I'm Dave.
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  Speaker 8: I'm Lucy.
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  Speaker 7: I'm Marlena.
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  Speaker 5: I'm also Dave.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not a Dave, I'm Ben. And I am Greg.
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  Speaker 10: Once again, we've broken it down with two Daves for
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  Speaker 10: some reason, just to confuse you guys.
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  Speaker 7: Well, you need a critical mass of Dave before you
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  Speaker 7: can get going, you know?
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  Speaker 9: Or, you know, you need a spare in case one
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  Speaker 9: blows up.
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  Speaker 5: It's true.
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  Speaker 8: This is our main Dave.
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  Speaker 3: This is the emergency backup Dave.
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  Speaker 8: Again, we have posh Dave from previous episodes. I believe
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  Speaker 8: that's auxiliary Dave.
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  Speaker 9: Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 10: And our conduit Dave, as you were, was, again, from
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  Speaker 10: Tower of Tectobabble, so.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 8: Well, as this week, you know, for.
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  Speaker 10: Our geek activity, we're getting into a very technological based
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  Speaker 10: discussion later. So, you know, seeing as how we're going
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  Speaker 10: to get to that, I wanted to ask about a
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  Speaker 10: new innovative kind of movie and see how many of
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  Speaker 10: you have seen it. I know one of you hasn't
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  Speaker 10: because they wanted to go sneak into it earlier.
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  Speaker 8: Who has seen Gravity?
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  Speaker 11: I have.
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  Speaker 1: I have.
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  Speaker 3: I have. Can I leave the room?
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  Speaker 8: Well, that's the thing. We're not going to spoil anything.
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to go down.
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  Speaker 3: Can't you give Greg and I a couple hours? We'll
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  Speaker 3: come back.
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  Speaker 12: I don't really think you can spoil Gravity, though.
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  Speaker 3: You can.
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  Speaker 10: No more so than the filmmakers already did.
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  Speaker 13: What?
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  Speaker 3: Oh!
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  Speaker 8: Okay, that's what I wanted to get basic feelings.
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  Speaker 3: You're saving me ten bucks? Is that what you're doing?
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  Speaker 8: I was willing to bet money you were not going
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  Speaker 8: to be happy.
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  Speaker 5: With it, Lucy.
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  Speaker 8: So I kind of want to hear your take on it.
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  Speaker 14: Well, okay, here's my take. Actually, I both loved and
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  Speaker 14: hated this film. I thought it was, they spent so
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  Speaker 14: much time making it look Amazing.
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  Speaker 15: I mean, it looks amazing.
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  Speaker 8: It's like you're in space. It really is.
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  Speaker 14: And it seems like they could have used maybe one
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  Speaker 14: one-thousandth of that time to write a script.
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  Speaker 8: Just a script.
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  Speaker 10: I've heard that a few times. Mostly everybody's like, oh
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  Speaker 10: my god, it was amazing. And then there's one out of,
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  Speaker 10: you know, however many that's just kind of like.
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  Speaker 8: What is that dialogue? Well, but those are just terrible.
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  Speaker 10: There's no amazing to them except it's amazing people keep
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  Speaker 10: giving him money. But no, these, I mean, technically it
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  Speaker 10: is just phenomenal.
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  Speaker 8: You are immersed in space.
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  Speaker 10: And some of even like just the filmmaking stuff that
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  Speaker 10: he does. Like as a director, he has found new
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  Speaker 10: ways to do stuff and is making use of them
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  Speaker 10: within the first movie. You know, it's like nobody has
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  Speaker 10: ever been able to do a shot like this. And
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  Speaker 10: I'm going to do it, and it's going to be
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  Speaker 10: spectacularly done. So everything from that aspect is done.
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  Speaker 8: I will give you... I mean, there's times when it's
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  Speaker 8: just sort of.
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  Speaker 10: As I described it, that became the fill-in-the-blank part. It's like, okay,
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  Speaker 10: we're going to get these really cool effects.
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  Speaker 8: We're going to do all this cool camera movement.
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  Speaker 10: We're going to get all this other stuff.
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  Speaker 8: And then people got to say stuff.
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  Speaker 7: You are describing Star Trek the motion picture.
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  Speaker 5: Avatar.
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  Speaker 12: I feel like the... I mean, like... It definitely did
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  Speaker 12: get kind of boring at times because you're just watching
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  Speaker 12: stuff and not listening to stuff. But if you notice,
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  Speaker 12: there wasn't a whole lot of background music. There wasn't
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  Speaker 12: a lot of anything. It was silent, and there was
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  Speaker 12: very sparse speaking. I mean, she talked to herself a lot.
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  Speaker 12: But you almost feel her isolation. It felt almost intentional,
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  Speaker 12: but it was kind of like, there's.
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  Speaker 8: Something cool going on.
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  Speaker 5: I haven't seen it, but do you think the casting
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  Speaker 5: has anything to do with that?
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  Speaker 15: I don't hate Sandy Bullock.
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  Speaker 8: I think she does a good job.
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  Speaker 15: As good as she can do with the material.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I just, I get the feeling just, you know,
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  Speaker 5: reading up on it, like this is, yeah, it's a
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  Speaker 5: revolutionary movie, but then the producer steps in and says,
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  Speaker 5: but it's got to have to have Sandra Bullock and
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  Speaker 5: George Clooney in it if you.
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  Speaker 3: Want the money.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 10: And I really didn't even have as big a problem.
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  Speaker 10: I think I was more in your camp, Marlene. I
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  Speaker 10: felt like it was supposed to be that way, and
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  Speaker 10: some of the things that are said are kind of silly,
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  Speaker 10: but It's almost silly on purpose as like we're in
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  Speaker 10: an extreme situation now and these are the things we're
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  Speaker 10: going to have to say to kind of keep ourselves going.
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  Speaker 10: Even if it's ridiculous stuff, it's us trying to keep
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  Speaker 10: ourselves distracted from this or.
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  Speaker 8: Keep ourselves focused on what's going on over here.
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  Speaker 10: You know, it's like I think some of it felt
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  Speaker 10: like it really was put in there on purpose and
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  Speaker 10: sometimes it may have just been lazy.
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  Speaker 8: But, you know, overall I still think it's an amazing movie.
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  Speaker 14: Well, I was actually offended by the way that they
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  Speaker 14: wrote her character because she just wasn't a smart character.
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  Speaker 15: A little.
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  Speaker 14: And the only way you knew she was supposed to
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  Speaker 14: be a smart character was because at the beginning, the man,
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  Speaker 14: George Clooney, says, you're a smart woman.
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  Speaker 12: And we're like, oh, okay.
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  Speaker 8: Wait, she's supposed to be smart. He's a space cowboy.
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  Speaker 8: You've got to listen to anything he says.
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  Speaker 14: But, yeah, when I walked out, I gave it a
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  Speaker 14: new tagline, which was, in space, no one can hear
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  Speaker 14: you yawn. And that was basically my synopsis of the film.
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  Speaker 9: Technically, it shouldn't even be gravity. It's orbital momentum.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, eventually some gravity comes in.
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  Speaker 3: Well, sure.
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  Speaker 10: But yeah, for the most part, it's not much of that.
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  Speaker 5: It's inertia.
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  Speaker 2: It's inertia.
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  Speaker 14: I mean, it was just so beautifully done. It's just
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  Speaker 14: her backstory, and it just, all of it felt silly.
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  Speaker 14: There was a moment, and I'm not going to spoil anything,
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  Speaker 14: but there was a moment where I think the movie
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  Speaker 14: could have gotten really weird.
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  Speaker 10: There's sort of a disorienting.
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  Speaker 8: Moment where you're like, what is happening now?
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  Speaker 14: And I feel like that could have taken a turn
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  Speaker 14: where it could have gone someplace really interesting, and then
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  Speaker 14: it just didn't.
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  Speaker 10: Later you'll have to tell me which way you're taking it,
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  Speaker 10: because I'm taking it in a really weird.
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  Speaker 3: Place right now.
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  Speaker 7: Question from someone who hasn't seen this. How did they
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  Speaker 7: get into space? Were there American rockets?
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  Speaker 8: They're astronauts.
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  Speaker 9: Well, they actually have to bend the chronology because they're
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  Speaker 9: on a space shuttle.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to see it.
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  Speaker 9: And we don't have any of those anymore. It's funny
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  Speaker 9: because they're in a space shuttle and the Chinese space station,
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  Speaker 9: which is under construction now, comes into effect and it's
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  Speaker 9: done then, so there's this weird dichotomy of.
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  Speaker 8: It exists in its own universe.
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  Speaker 6: Exactly.
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  Speaker 9: I don't know what the year is because none of
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  Speaker 9: this stuff happened in the first place. Maybe they're saying
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  Speaker 9: we need to have the space shuttle.
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  Speaker 11: Exactly.
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  Speaker 5: At the rate we're going, maybe so, yeah. It could
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  Speaker 5: be a used space shuttle. She bought it off herself.
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  Speaker 12: Like at the beginning of the movie, it came out.
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  Speaker 8: There you go.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 9: Plot hole solved.
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  Speaker 3: What year is it supposed to be?
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  Speaker 9: It doesn't say.
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  Speaker 8: It's just when they went in space. I feel like
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  Speaker 8: he was.
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  Speaker 12: In the 60s. No, wasn't he? I think they intentionally
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  Speaker 12: made it vague.
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  Speaker 10: It's got to be pretty recent because there's so many
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  Speaker 10: other people up in space.
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  Speaker 8: It's got to be in somewhat recent years.
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  Speaker 10: But still, it doesn't have to be pinpointed because if
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  Speaker 10: you try to pinpoint it, it doesn't fit a timeline
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  Speaker 10: of any sort.
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  Speaker 3: How many stars were on the flag?
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  Speaker 5: 67.
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  Speaker 9: It was weird.
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  Speaker 10: It was the Circle Stars.
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  Speaker 8: Is that a... Seems kind of dated, but.
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  Speaker 3: The president was taffed.
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  Speaker 8: They were wearing them serenity uniforms. They look kind of cool.
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  Speaker 9: It was kind of steampunky.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, it was pretty cool.
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  Speaker 16: They're ruining what I wanted to see. They're saving me money.
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  Speaker 14: You should go see it. And when you see it,
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  Speaker 14: you should definitely see it in 3D. Do not bother not.
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  Speaker 10: Seeing it in 3D.
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  Speaker 9: It does have the benefit of being basically the only
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  Speaker 9: movie I've seen in 3D that deserved it, I think.
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  Speaker 8: It's worthwhile to see.
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  Speaker 3: Even Avatar, because I thought that did a good job.
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  Speaker 9: Avatar in this was probably the... This especially. This actually
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  Speaker 9: adds to the.
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  Speaker 5: Story, I think, in 3D.
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  Speaker 10: As much as I hate the stupid glasses and it's
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  Speaker 10: why I don't want to watch most 3D anymore, other
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  Speaker 10: than the fact that it's not worth it, but even then,
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  Speaker 10: the glasses are just kind of annoying. Like, within this,
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  Speaker 10: it almost works because... they're wearing the helmets and so
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  Speaker 10: much of this you're kind of in their pov and
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  Speaker 10: it's like it kind of feels like that like it
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  Speaker 10: works on so many levels because you're wearing these dumb
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  Speaker 10: glasses you're so uncomfortable because it's yeah it's like it's
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  Speaker 10: here's a little taste you don't have to eat toothpaste
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  Speaker 10: for dinner.
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  Speaker 8: But this is what it's sort.
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  Speaker 10: Of like but that it i think that sort of
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  Speaker 10: plays into the the whole effect they.
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  Speaker 12: Should have done that they should have given you.
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  Speaker 10: Like Space helmets.
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  Speaker 12: No, just candy out of pouches.
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  Speaker 10: Frozen ice cream.
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  Speaker 12: Are you going to see gravity? Okay, you have to
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  Speaker 12: eat this popcorn, this liquefied popcorn out of a baggie.
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  Speaker 8: Astronaut ice cream. That's what they need.
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  Speaker 2: And Tang.
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  Speaker 9: Here's a packet of Tang.
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  Speaker 10: Man, the concession stands should have been loaded with this shit.
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  Speaker 14: The movie is more successful at creating tension than maybe
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  Speaker 14: any film I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, it's really, it's really impressive.
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  Speaker 9: It really doesn't let up.
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  Speaker 10: And it has a genius setup to it that becomes cycle-like,
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  Speaker 10: and that, like, adds so much to it.
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  Speaker 8: So it's worth seeing.
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  Speaker 10: Like, it really is really well done on so many levels.
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  Speaker 10: Maybe not all for some people, but.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I've realized?
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  Speaker 7: This is how I see movies now. I don't actually
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  Speaker 7: see movies. I just kind of hear people talking about it,
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  Speaker 7: and I'm like, I'm good.
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  Speaker 8: I blame podcasts. Yeah, I.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't seen a movie since 1996. That's why I.
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  Speaker 14: See everything opening weekend. I don't want to hear anybody
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  Speaker 14: say anything about anything.
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  Speaker 8: I want to be the first to bash it, damn it.
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  Speaker 15: I know he's listening.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 7: So you always go to an opening weekend. So there's
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  Speaker 7: always people dressed. Were there people dressed up as astronauts
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  Speaker 7: for opening weekend?
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  Speaker 12: Sadly, no.
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  Speaker 8: They were dressed just as stars.
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  Speaker 3: Because I want to breathe. They're making this 50 Shades
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  Speaker 3: of Grey movie. Are there going to be people dressed
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  Speaker 3: up as characters for that?
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  Speaker 8: I hope so. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Just a lot of bored housewives.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, some of them will just be stumbling in in
• 10:38
  Speaker 10: their normal weekend attire anyway.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, the only people that read that are people
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  Speaker 12: who actually are not into fetish things. So it's going
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  Speaker 12: to be people's gross misinterpretation of what that.
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  Speaker 8: Culture actually was.
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  Speaker 10: It's the slutty outfit they bought at Halloween.
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  Speaker 8: They're like, this is what it's like, right?
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  Speaker 12: It's going to be made with like... really uncomfortable handcuffs
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  Speaker 12: or something.
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  Speaker 3: Is that the costume? The slutty housewife? The slutty bored housewife?
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  Speaker 3: Can you get that at, you know, at the costume shop?
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  Speaker 8: I'm sure it's out there.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, they've made slutty sriracha bottle costumes. I'm pretty
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  Speaker 12: sure they probably made that.
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  Speaker 5: That's a sticker?
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 12: They've made it slutty bag of peanuts.
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  Speaker 3: What's the slutty bag of peanuts look like? A slutty
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  Speaker 3: bag of peanuts.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, you should see her peanuts.
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  Speaker 3: A slutty bag of nuts? Is she wearing like a monocle?
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  Speaker 9: A slutty monocle.
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  Speaker 12: It's not that clever. It's just a little, it's like
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  Speaker 12: a tiny little low cut, very short dress that looks
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  Speaker 12: like a box of peanuts on the front.
• 11:38
  Speaker 3: Is she handed out on an airplane? A sexy airplane?
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  Speaker 12: They don't think that deeply about these slutty costumes. They're
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  Speaker 12: just like, it's an object. It exists in our world.
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  Speaker 12: Let's make it into.
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  Speaker 15: A slutty costume.
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  Speaker 8: Can we make it slutty? Do we have the technology?
• 11:54
  Speaker 12: Slutty what?
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  Speaker 3: Slutty Paul McGann.
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  Speaker 12: There's very, very many slutty TARDIS costumes.
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  Speaker 3: They've got slutty Daleks.
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  Speaker 8: Slutty dollars oh yeah.
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  Speaker 12: Saw lots of pictures of those on the internet yeah
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  Speaker 12: right after.
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  Speaker 7: Halloween see fans ruin everything.
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  Speaker 3: No it's i i hate people that is.
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  Speaker 10: My that's my words to live by well.
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  Speaker 5: I have a newsletter you may be interested in i
• 12:21
  Speaker 5: mean did you all see the the thing that fred
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  Speaker 5: posted right before halloween about costume it was like slutty
• 12:25
  Speaker 5: first edition version of old man in the.
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  Speaker 8: Sea dude that was hot come on now No, what
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  Speaker 8: was my favorite?
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  Speaker 10: What was the one that was like utter depression or.
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  Speaker 8: Whatever that one was?
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  Speaker 3: Slutty depression. That's a great costume.
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  Speaker 10: It was like hot slutty melancholy or something.
• 12:46
  Speaker 9: Slutty on weed.
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  Speaker 3: Slutty, aren't we?
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  Speaker 10: All right, on that slutty technology note, let's take our break,
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  Speaker 10: and we'll get back and get into our not-so-slutty technology.
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  Speaker 8: Sluts are fun.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not a slut.
• 13:03
  Speaker 16: I just love love.
• 13:03
  Speaker 4: What's it called?
• 13:12
  Speaker 15: You'll be my little friend.
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  Speaker 17: You'll be my little friend.
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  Speaker 15: You'll be my little friend.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just like me Way up there, thank you,
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  Speaker 1: man I'm a slut like you You say you're looking
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  Speaker 1: for me And I'm just like me too I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: let you know the truth I'm a slut like.
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  Speaker 4: You Okay, look, you want a videocassette recorder, right?
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  Speaker 14: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And you know that RCA sells SelectaVision, their four-hour videocassette recorder.
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  Speaker 5: That's the one I want. What are you waiting for?
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  Speaker 4: What if we threw in a free cassette? Okay, two.
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  Speaker 6: Two?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, double it.
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  Speaker 5: Four cassettes?
• 14:31
  Speaker 4: 14 hours of blank tape worth almost $ 100 free if
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: you buy now. What do you say?
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  Speaker 5: I would have bought it at two.
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: SelectaVision's almost $ 100 tape giveaway. We don't know when to quit.
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  Speaker 5: I would have bought it at one.
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  Speaker 4: What are you doing?
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  Speaker 5: Making a long distance phone call. Beijing Hotel.
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: The year is 2021. Reloading or not?
• 15:08
  Speaker 5: The world is wired.
• 15:09
  Speaker 6: Your storage capacity?
• 15:11
  Speaker 8: I can carry nearly 80 gigs of data in my head.
• 15:15
  Speaker 11: Information is power. And secrets are a thing of the past.
• 15:23
  Speaker 11: Unless you hire a courier, Like Johnny Mnemonic.
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  Speaker 5: Hit me.
• 15:30
  Speaker 15: How do you feel about letting.
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  Speaker 9: Your head anyway?
• 15:35
  Speaker 8: I had to dump a chunk of long-term memory.
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  Speaker 5: You had to dump a chunk of what? My childhood.
• 15:43
  Speaker 11: For Johnny, inputting the data was easy.
• 15:46
  Speaker 8: Let's just start with what you got in there and
• 15:48
  Speaker 8: what it's worth to the world.
• 15:50
  Speaker 11: The hard part is making the delivery.
• 15:54
  Speaker 9: Double cheese anchovies?
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: You weren't on the menu. Charlie!
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: They were waiting for me, Ralphie.
• 16:04
  Speaker 7: Johnny.
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: I'm loosening.
• 16:06
  Speaker 15: The information you carry.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: You must protect it with your life.
• 16:13
  Speaker 11: Keanu Reeves.
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: You can't shoot me.
• 16:16
  Speaker 11: Not in the head.
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: Johnny Mnemonic.
• 16:51
  Speaker 8: Hey, Lucy, is there anything else we should watch?
• 16:53
  Speaker 14: It's funny you should ask me that, Brian. I was
• 16:55
  Speaker 14: just thinking that people should go see The Counselor because
• 16:58
  Speaker 14: it has been, I don't know if there has been
• 17:01
  Speaker 14: as much negative press about a film maybe in the
• 17:04
  Speaker 14: history of cinema, and it is so unfair.
• 17:06
  Speaker 15: It is categorically unfair.
• 17:08
  Speaker 10: I thought it was great.
• 17:10
  Speaker 15: That's all I'm going to say.
• 17:11
  Speaker 14: I'm just going to give it a ringing endorsement and
• 17:13
  Speaker 14: walk away.
• 17:14
  Speaker 8: I've not even.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: Heard of this, so I'll go and check it out.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: You go watch 2005 Doctor Who. I'll go watch Castle.
• 17:20
  Speaker 15: It's a trade.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: You're on.
• 17:23
  Speaker 14: I think it just wasn't sold the way that it
• 17:26
  Speaker 14: was supposed to be sold. And everybody's really upset about
• 17:29
  Speaker 14: the Cormac McCarthy script. And I don't know why they
• 17:32
  Speaker 14: were expecting anything other than exactly what they got. I
• 17:35
  Speaker 14: thought it was fascinating. So it's very talky. It's very literary.
• 17:40
  Speaker 15: There are explosions in it.
• 17:43
  Speaker 7: That's good, because I have CGI fatigue like you would believe,
• 17:45
  Speaker 7: so I'm all for some talkies right now.
• 17:47
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I thought it was great.
• 17:49
  Speaker 14: I mean, it's weird as hell. I think a lot
• 17:52
  Speaker 14: of people have said that their problem with it was
• 17:54
  Speaker 14: that Cormac McCarthy doesn't know how to write a script,
• 17:56
  Speaker 14: and that's what I loved about it. I mean, it's
• 17:58
  Speaker 14: like nobody gave him a copy of the story and said,
• 18:01
  Speaker 14: this is how you do it.
• 18:02
  Speaker 10: He just kind of did what he does.
• 18:04
  Speaker 7: Totally didn't know how to write a novel, didn't stop
• 18:07
  Speaker 7: doing it.
• 18:08
  Speaker 8: And they made three movies out of that first one.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: He didn't know how to end a novel. No, that's
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Peter Jackson. Neither is Peter Jackson. He doesn't know how
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: to cut. Shoot the film, let God sort it out.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: He's like, let's just throw it all in there. Kenneth Toronto,
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: just throw him in there. A transforming robot.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Whatever.
• 18:31
  Speaker 8: There's extra footage. Just throw it in there.
• 18:34
  Speaker 10: People should go see the counselor.
• 18:37
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• 18:39
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• 19:25
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• 19:27
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• 19:30
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  Speaker 13: of Technobabble at www.toweroftechnobabble.com Then this started. Well, it's up
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• 20:08
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  Speaker 18: The Found Footage Festival.
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  Speaker 9: You're listening to Movie Meltdown, the meltingest podcast around.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, wouldn't you be in.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: Good shape if your life was on videotape?
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: That's part of your problem, you know.
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: You haven't seen enough movies.
• 20:33
  Speaker 19: All of life's riddles are.
• 20:34
  Speaker 20: Answered in the movies. Now, on with the show.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Where did we get all these wonderful foods?
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: These gadgets and gizmos we desperately need.
• 20:58
  Speaker 14: The World Wide Web in the palm of your hand.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: All of technology starts with demand.
• 21:06
  Speaker 21: Like someone who walked around barefoot all day Decided he
• 21:11
  Speaker 21: can't go on living this way With blisters and boils
• 21:16
  Speaker 21: all over his feet There must be a better way
• 21:20
  Speaker 21: to walk down the street He gets an idea and
• 21:24
  Speaker 21: then starts to draw A brilliant solution to protect his past.
• 21:30
  Speaker 21: The first prototype of something so new. He saw it
• 21:35
  Speaker 21: was good and he called it a shot.
• 21:37
  Speaker 10: All right, we are back and it is time for
• 21:39
  Speaker 10: the grind. In this segment, we discuss a specific topic
• 21:55
  Speaker 10: or question related to movies or general geekiness, and this
• 21:58
  Speaker 10: one certainly is. This week's topic comes more or less
• 22:02
  Speaker 10: from Ben, but I've sort of honed it. Ben was
• 22:05
  Speaker 10: throwing out a question more like, hey, remember when you
• 22:09
  Speaker 10: could be a fan of TV?
• 22:10
  Speaker 8: I'm paraphrasing.
• 22:11
  Speaker 10: Be a fan of TV and movies before there were
• 22:13
  Speaker 10: VCRs and DVDs and all that stuff that we have now,
• 22:16
  Speaker 10: and back when it was a challenge to be a
• 22:18
  Speaker 10: fan of that kind of stuff. But I'm assuming not
• 22:21
  Speaker 10: everyone listening or seated here remembers those times exactly. So
• 22:25
  Speaker 10: I thought we would broaden it a little and we
• 22:27
  Speaker 10: would do more of an overall discussion of technology and
• 22:30
  Speaker 10: the way that it's changing in the last century or
• 22:33
  Speaker 10: so and how it makes it a bigger topic. So
• 22:35
  Speaker 10: then we have to look at how each time the
• 22:37
  Speaker 10: technology updates, how it changes your being a fan. So
• 22:42
  Speaker 10: the technology of fandom and I mean, the invention of
• 22:47
  Speaker 10: the movie camera itself is It's pretty recent in the
• 22:49
  Speaker 10: grand scheme of things.
• 22:50
  Speaker 8: So, I don't know.
• 22:52
  Speaker 10: Each year, things change.
• 22:54
  Speaker 8: It updates stuff.
• 22:56
  Speaker 10: It changes the way we look at it. And does
• 22:58
  Speaker 10: it change you as a viewer is what we want
• 23:01
  Speaker 10: to throw out there.
• 23:02
  Speaker 8: So, where would you.
• 23:04
  Speaker 10: Do you want to go start with the old school stuff, Ben?
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: The reason I wanted to bring this up is... The
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Doctor Who again.
• 23:11
  Speaker 8: Imagine that.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Imagine that.
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: Well, when that show started in 1963... About the first
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: six years were in black and white. And as of 1978,
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: every copy that the BBC held had been either wiped
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: or burnt or trashed or thrown out.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: And it's an interesting story.
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: Why, actually?
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: It's because in the 50s, whenever TV recording first started,
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: or not even recording, whenever TV first really started, all
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: of the TV shows on BBC were pretty much plays.
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: They were like televised plays. And they weren't recording it.
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: So if they ever wanted to do a rerun of
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: said play, they would hire the same actors to come
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: back in and basically shoot the show again.
• 23:56
  Speaker 10: Man, they should do that all the time.
• 24:00
  Speaker 8: Bring back Happy Days.
• 24:02
  Speaker 9: The Happy Days game just gets older and older.
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: Come on, Henry Winkler, get up here. Hit that jukebox.
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: So for actors in Britain, it was seen as just another,
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: you know, they do theater, they go do TV, and...
• 24:16
  Speaker 7: problem was this thing television recording started and the agents
• 24:23
  Speaker 7: of these actors started to get worried because they thought
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: well you're just going to be able to film one
• 24:29
  Speaker 7: of these plays and then just keep playing it over
• 24:31
  Speaker 7: and over and over and our actors will never get
• 24:33
  Speaker 7: work again this was an actual fear so they started
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: writing into the contracts whenever an actor would agree to
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: do a TV show that if the show was to
• 24:46
  Speaker 7: be played a second time, they would have to pay
• 24:50
  Speaker 7: a fee. And if it was to be played again
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: after that, the fee would be so astronomical that it
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: would actually be cheaper to just make a whole new show.
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: So the idea was they were protecting their actors' livelihood.
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: Nice.
• 25:04
  Speaker 10: I mean, you could see this being a legitimate fear,
• 25:07
  Speaker 10: especially at that time when people really didn't understand the
• 25:10
  Speaker 10: technology yet or how they could get ripped off.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: From the BBC's point of view.
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: It was too expensive to ever show a rerun. So
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: they had, and not just Doctor Who, pretty much every
• 25:22
  Speaker 7: show they had was just sitting on the shelves. And
• 25:27
  Speaker 7: they were all taped on videotape, and videotape was really
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: expensive then. So it got to the point where they
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: were looking at all these old shows, and they were like,
• 25:36
  Speaker 7: we can't show them again.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: We need the videotape. So they started to tape over them.
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: Something else that was going on was they were... selling
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: the show to other countries that had been British colonies,
• 25:49
  Speaker 7: where there was still a big English-speaking population, like Australia
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: or Hong Kong, a bunch of countries in Africa, Canada.
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: And what they would do is, they would actually put
• 26:02
  Speaker 7: the shows that they had recorded on videotape onto film.
• 26:05
  Speaker 7: And the way that they would do it, I think
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: it's called cine-recording.
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: Kinescope.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: They would actually show.
• 26:13
  Speaker 7: They would actually play the show on a screen, have
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: a movie camera.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: In front of it in film.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: They'd film the monitor.
• 26:21
  Speaker 7: And then that way, because film is a more universal
• 26:25
  Speaker 7: media than videotape, they could send it out to all
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: these different countries. So all these different countries were getting
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: these versions on video. I'm sorry, on film. And then,
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: in theory, they were supposed to watch it, send it
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: to the next country, and then the country was supposed
• 26:41
  Speaker 7: to send it back. Where, again, they would have the
• 26:43
  Speaker 7: same problem where, because they couldn't show it over again
• 26:46
  Speaker 7: in Britain, they would have to burn it. So, basically,
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: by 1978, they had a whole bunch of them missing.
• 26:55
  Speaker 7: And a lot of it is because these films that
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: would come back, The company that was in charge of
• 27:02
  Speaker 7: the videotapes, they thought that they were films, and they
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: didn't want them, or they didn't think it was their responsibility.
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: The part of the BBC that was in charge of films,
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: they were like, well, these technically aren't films. They're film
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: recordings of videotapes, so we don't really need to take
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: care of them. And they just assumed that everyone else
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: had copies. So stuff was just being burnt, thrown out.
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: And crazy fans of Doctor Who got wind of this.
• 27:25
  Speaker 7: And one fan actually went down to the studio, somehow
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: got in, And there was this big pile of.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Them that were being slated to be thrown out.
• 27:33
  Speaker 7: And he basically almost tied himself to it like a
• 27:36
  Speaker 7: guy up in.
• 27:38
  Speaker 8: Chained himself to a tree. Chained himself to a tree.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: And so eventually all this was stopped.
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: And about when all was said and done, because a
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: lot of the films had not been returned from overseas,
• 27:54
  Speaker 7: so some of them were sent back. But when all
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: was said and done, about three years' worth of six years...
• 27:58
  Speaker 7: of Doctor Who was gone. And for other shows, it
• 28:01
  Speaker 7: was like none of them existed.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: But Doctor Who was a bit more popular, so there
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: were more copies.
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: And so the thing is, though, for a British fan,
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: from day one, there were British superfans of this show.
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: And because it would never be rerun, the only way
• 28:19
  Speaker 7: that a British superfan could kind of document the show
• 28:22
  Speaker 7: and keep it they would take their tape recorder, put
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: it up to the TV speaker, get everyone in the
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: house to be really quiet for 20 minutes, and they
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: would audio record that show. Because it was the only
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: way that they had of hanging on to it. And
• 28:35
  Speaker 7: a bunch of people did this. And so, in the 80s,
• 28:40
  Speaker 7: when they realized how much stuff was missing, these fans
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: realized that they had the only actual.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Version of it on audio.
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: So these audios started being tossed around and circulated, and
• 28:53
  Speaker 7: In the 90s, the BBC decided to get the best
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: versions of them, clean them up, put on narration. Long
• 29:00
  Speaker 7: story short, the only way I have of actually experiencing
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: a bunch of old Doctor Who episodes is through these
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: fan-made recordings. And on my iPod now are a bunch
• 29:11
  Speaker 7: of recordings that some guy in 1960 did with putting
• 29:15
  Speaker 7: his microphone up to a TV thing.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: And I think for kids.
• 29:20
  Speaker 7: Today, that's unheard of to think that You can't just
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: go to iTunes and look at anything ever. And it's
• 29:27
  Speaker 7: so precious in a way that all these things are missing.
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: And it was just announced a couple weeks ago.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: You probably all saw on the internet this hoopla about.
• 29:34
  Speaker 8: I forwarded you the link.
• 29:35
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 29:36
  Speaker 10: That's the first thing I thought of.
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: And I had already you know but i was glad
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: to see yeah you're a geek you already knew but
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: basically so in in africa they found at a tv
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: station two almost complete stories that should have been sent
• 29:50
  Speaker 7: back in 68 but they but they or they remain
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: in six in 68 but they were from the 70s
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: when they were sent there but Long story short, these
• 30:00
  Speaker 7: things were found. They were released on iTunes overnight. And
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: these were stories that I had been listening to the
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: audio of for years. And I knew word for word
• 30:10
  Speaker 7: the audio. And I was seeing the pictures actually for
• 30:13
  Speaker 7: the first time.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: And it was like... You can ask my wife about this.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: I was laughing for an entire week. I would just
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: be sitting there and suddenly I would go, I can't
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: believe I just watched a web of fear.
• 30:25
  Speaker 10: It was unbelievable.
• 30:28
  Speaker 9: She's a good woman.
• 30:30
  Speaker 8: She's a strong woman.
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: It just got me thinking how there was a time
• 30:38
  Speaker 7: in our lives, I think we're all old enough to
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: think back to this, where Before there was VCR or whatever,
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: and if you missed something on TV, you missed it.
• 30:49
  Speaker 7: You didn't know if it was ever going to come back.
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: And I was just wondering, back in those days, when
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: you don't have a way of going to your shelf
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: or going to iTunes, how do you become a fan
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: of a movie? How do you get to know it
• 31:02
  Speaker 7: frame by frame if you have no way of actually
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: owning it and watching it frame by frame?
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: That's... It's like.
• 31:10
  Speaker 10: It gets harder the further back you go, too. At
• 31:13
  Speaker 10: that stage, I guess you would wait around and maybe
• 31:15
  Speaker 10: sometime on the late show they would play it again.
• 31:18
  Speaker 10: But think before TV. Those people in that era where
• 31:21
  Speaker 10: there was movies, and they loved movies, but they had
• 31:25
  Speaker 10: to just keep going to the theater week after week.
• 31:27
  Speaker 10: And if you loved a specific movie, at that point
• 31:30
  Speaker 10: they weren't doing revivals.
• 31:31
  Speaker 8: You just never saw it again.
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: It was just material to be consumed. And films got destroyed.
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: That they used any means possible, like with TV, like
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: the kids in Britain who were taping Doctor Who on
• 31:42
  Speaker 7: their audio records.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: I used to do that before I had a VCR.
• 31:47
  Speaker 9: Well, the question is, was there rampant fanship like that
• 31:50
  Speaker 9: if you couldn't do that? I mean, were there any
• 31:52
  Speaker 9: movies from the 1940s that people just had to see?
• 31:56
  Speaker 9: Or did they just say, oh, it's a movie.
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: Hey, that was good.
• 31:58
  Speaker 9: Next movie.
• 32:00
  Speaker 10: I think it depends. I think there's always somebody like that.
• 32:03
  Speaker 10: There weren't as many, I guess, because technology makes it
• 32:06
  Speaker 10: easier to do that way. But, I mean, there were
• 32:09
  Speaker 10: huge movies then, and think how something like Gone with
• 32:11
  Speaker 10: the Wind, how huge that was. And then everybody had
• 32:13
  Speaker 10: to buy the book. Even if they hadn't written the
• 32:15
  Speaker 10: book beforehand, then it became that crossover. So you're holding
• 32:19
  Speaker 10: on to this as a version of that movie that
• 32:21
  Speaker 10: you saw, if you did it in that direction anyway.
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: You know, something else, back to the Doctor Who in
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: the 60s with BBC was... whenever they were throwing it
• 32:30
  Speaker 7: out because they knew that they couldn't play it over
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: again as a rerun without paying all these fees, at
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: the time, they couldn't conceive of a home video market.
• 32:41
  Speaker 7: So they didn't see the potential where these could be
• 32:44
  Speaker 7: sold and beyond every Uber fan's shelf. And so when
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: you talk about a movie from the 40s and all that,
• 32:51
  Speaker 7: I sometimes wonder why they didn't remake more movies back then.
• 32:59
  Speaker 10: I mean, they could show the movies again. I guess
• 33:01
  Speaker 10: that situation hadn't happened, but they just didn't have reason to.
• 33:05
  Speaker 10: I mean, there wasn't the revival thing, so there were
• 33:08
  Speaker 10: so many new movies, I.
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: Guess, that you.
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: Studios would re-release films.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: They would.
• 33:16
  Speaker 14: From the 60s, because every few years they would just
• 33:18
  Speaker 14: send something back.
• 33:19
  Speaker 8: But even then, that was like 60s.
• 33:20
  Speaker 10: It took a while before people started getting to that,
• 33:24
  Speaker 10: let's look at this old one.
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: But since they already owned the property a lot of
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: the times, there were rampant remakes in the 20s and 30s,
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: and even into the early 40s, because these things would
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: run in the theater for a week or two max.
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: It wasn't like the era we grew up for. Star
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: Wars ran for a year and a half. This was programming.
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: There was no television. There was no competition. So films
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: would be churned out, and films would be remade pretty constantly,
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: especially between the silent and the talk era.
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: Did audiences get mad if a movie was in a
• 33:51
  Speaker 7: theater longer.
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: Than a week? A lot of the time, films would
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: change midweek. You'd see films that were only through Wednesday.
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: You'd see films that only played Saturday, Sunday. It was
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: just how they lived. Now in bigger cities with more theaters,
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: you'd have longer runs on pictures.
• 34:08
  Speaker 8: I brought that up recently.
• 34:10
  Speaker 10: People always complain about remakes now, but I'm like, when
• 34:12
  Speaker 10: I was looking back, pulling music for State Fair, I'm like,
• 34:15
  Speaker 10: there were three versions to State Fair in a 40-year period.
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: The problem now is that it drives the industry.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: Everything is a remake or a reboot.
• 34:24
  Speaker 8: It's gotten worse, obviously.
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: I think something I'm wondering, like with State Fair being
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: remade over and over and over, if no one had seen,
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: or if people couldn't really remember what that first State
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: Fair was like, would they know to be upset that
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: it was being made over again?
• 34:40
  Speaker 10: Probably not, because it wasn't precious to them. Like, we've
• 34:43
  Speaker 10: watched Star Wars a million times, they can't remake that.
• 34:46
  Speaker 7: So when did the aspect of a precious fan geek
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: begin like how does that.
• 34:53
  Speaker 10: Happen you know i mean i don't remember anything even
• 34:58
  Speaker 10: like stories of people like having that kind of attachment
• 35:01
  Speaker 10: until and again i think it's a generational thing i
• 35:04
  Speaker 10: think it took almost that maybe right before but but
• 35:09
  Speaker 10: it definitely set in by that gen x thing because
• 35:12
  Speaker 10: you know everybody before that had a life and they
• 35:14
  Speaker 10: had stuff to do and you hit that generation that
• 35:17
  Speaker 10: was just like Kind of spoiled and hung out at
• 35:20
  Speaker 10: home and watched reruns all day.
• 35:23
  Speaker 8: It was a different world.
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: Starting in the mid-70s with Star Trek. Yeah. Where they
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: had the first Star Trek convention around 1973. This was
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: years after the show went off the air. Now it
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: was still in syndication. And it was generating a bigger
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: audience in syndication. And here it was on Wave TV
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: at 11 a.m. on Sunday. Yes, it was. It was
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: the alternate religion.
• 35:48
  Speaker 10: I subscribe to that religion.
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: People would congregate at conventions to watch 16-millimeter prints of
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: Star Trek or to watch the blooper reels, which were
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: kind of the holy grail. And it kind of grew
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: out of that with general science fiction fandom, which was
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: mostly literary or like old movies. And it grew, I
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: think Star Trek planted that seed in, like I said,
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: the early to mid-70s. And on its heels, pretty quickly
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: became Star Wars. And that's when science fiction impacted pop
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: culture so much. But, you know, I'm as old as
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: Doctor Who. I was born in 63. And I'm on
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: my 12th life. You're almost out. I remember that era
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: where I recorded stuff off the television constantly. You mean
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: with the tape recorder? I even had a reel-to-reel. That's
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: how old I am. I had a small reel-to-reel that
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: my uncle gave me, and then I had cassettes, and
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: I would record shows and movies that I liked. I
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: knew a hardcore collector here in town who recorded movies
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: off Fright Night, the old WDRB show, and then he
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: would dub them down without commercials, and he would listen
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: to them in his car as he delivered newspapers. He
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: was a fanatic. But the same fate befell that because
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: that show was on videotape on WDRB. Well, that tape
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: was too precious, so they'd tape an episode... Show the
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: movie tape over it. All the movies were still on
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: 16 millimeter. Most programming, because television was so movie-based when
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: I was a kid.
• 37:14
  Speaker 8: Yeah, which is totally changed now.
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: 60s and 70s was constant movies. Every network had movies
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: every night. Local television was tons of rerun movies and shows,
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: all without film. If you were in a network, you
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: might be showing something like All in the Family on
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: tape or a big movie on tape. But usually you're
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: showing film, which is why they had so many technical difficulties.
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: The film would snag and burn.
• 37:34
  Speaker 8: Please stand by.
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: That was going on still. It surprised me when I
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: looked into it. In the mid-' 80s, they were still showing
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: 16mm prints on local television. The last go-round with Universal
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: Classic Horror locally was Memories of Monsters on WHAS at
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: midnight on Friday. They were still showing film.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: This is a really stupid question. How did they show
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: the film on TV? Did they literally project it?
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: It was a reverse kinescope. Literally, they would film the screen.
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: And they had a sync videotape camera that could get
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: rid of the flicker. It would be synced to the
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: film rate, so there was no flicker.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: And was it too expensive to put it on the videotape?
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: Back then, yeah, they didn't even consider it. Because, you know,
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: I guess the first VCR, home consumption VCRs were in 1975.
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: But who could afford that? Very few people. These things
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: were like $ 1, 200, $ 1, 500.
• 38:26
  Speaker 9: And the tapes were like $ 80 a piece.
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, very expensive. And if you wanted to buy a
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: pre-recorded movie, it cost about as much. And it was
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: a very exclusive market. My friend Bob, who works at
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: the theater, was the first guy I knew with a VCR,
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: and he had a beta, and that was around 1980.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: What did he record with his first VCR?
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: Everything.
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: Since he was a genre fan, he recorded tons of sci-fi.
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: And then there were guys who were trading... There was
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: a whole network of guys who would trade tapes. And
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: they would try to cram as much. Everything was on EP.
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: Because they'd try to cram.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: As much as they could onto that tape.
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: And it would be like, is that a man? Is
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: that a man?
• 39:01
  Speaker 9: It's a colorful blob.
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: And that's how I saw a lot of films for
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: the first time. Like, you know, Phantom of the Paradise.
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: I first saw it at Bob's house one afternoon. It
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: was like, some guys in makeup. I don't know.
• 39:11
  Speaker 7: I just remember when I would record TV shows with
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: my tape recorder and have everyone be real quiet in
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: the house.
• 39:17
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: I used to dream, wouldn't it be great if there
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: was a way to keep the pictures, too? It just
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: seems so impossible.
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: It was hard to wrap my head around how they
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: were doing it. They're recording images. on a tape. How
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: do they do that?
• 39:32
  Speaker 10: I'm just trying to figure out how it's like a
• 39:34
  Speaker 10: pre-programmed thing into kids to just want to do that.
• 39:38
  Speaker 10: It's just that ingenious thing, I guess. Because that's the thing.
• 39:42
  Speaker 8: I was doing the same thing.
• 39:43
  Speaker 10: I didn't talk about it with any other kid, but
• 39:46
  Speaker 10: long before I had recorded Star Wars on VHS, I
• 39:50
  Speaker 10: had it on a cassette tape.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, I did too.
• 39:51
  Speaker 9: I remember mine was almost feral when that came out.
• 39:54
  Speaker 9: It was like, I'm just keeping my family shut.
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: Small-gauge film. You could buy 8mm. Or 16 occasionally. And
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: you could get movies that way, but you had to
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: be a pretty hardcore collector to get that stuff.
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: Like with the kids in the 60s watching Doctor Who
• 40:06
  Speaker 7: in Britain, it was a serial show. It's like each
• 40:11
  Speaker 7: week ended on a cliffhanger and it went to the
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: next one. So there was this built-in continuity. And I
• 40:19
  Speaker 7: think for fans, it was like they wanted to have
• 40:22
  Speaker 7: the whole story to be able to go back. And
• 40:24
  Speaker 7: there was no other way. Like there weren't any. books
• 40:26
  Speaker 7: on it. It was just the show and every week.
• 40:29
  Speaker 7: And they knew that it would never be shown again.
• 40:32
  Speaker 7: And they kind of felt like it was precious and
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: they had to keep it for somehow. And you know, actually,
• 40:39
  Speaker 7: all of the Monty Python episodes, those were scheduled to
• 40:43
  Speaker 7: be tossed out. And I've heard it was Terry Jones
• 40:46
  Speaker 7: actually went down, stopped it, got him in. He kept
• 40:49
  Speaker 7: all the videotapes in his, I think, in his attic
• 40:53
  Speaker 7: for years until people started wanting to show them.
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: PBS started running them, you know, and all the affiliates.
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: I remember Monty Python was being run in the mid
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: to late 70s here. And I had seen, you know,
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: Holy Grail cut up on the CBS late movie where
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: they cut the good stuff out. And then I was
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: watching it one afternoon on PBS and they didn't cut
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: it at all. So I got to hear, you know,
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: how do you know he's a king? Because he's got
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: shit all over him. For the first time on regular television.
• 41:20
  Speaker 15: Like, wow.
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: This was an event.
• 41:22
  Speaker 12: Really like, oh, they're British.
• 41:24
  Speaker 9: It doesn't matter.
• 41:25
  Speaker 7: I think as kids, you know, it's like you see
• 41:30
  Speaker 7: this thing and you just innately know that this is
• 41:35
  Speaker 7: really neat and they're not going to show it again.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: I need to hang on to it. I don't know
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: why I feel that way.
• 41:40
  Speaker 12: Kids just like repetition, I think. Like, I mean, if
• 41:44
  Speaker 12: you ever... Like, my niece will want to watch the
• 41:47
  Speaker 12: same movie over and over. I mean, when I was
• 41:49
  Speaker 12: a kid, I watched Beauty and the Beast every morning
• 41:51
  Speaker 12: and every night.
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 41:52
  Speaker 7: Every day.
• 41:53
  Speaker 12: I mean, I couldn't do that as an adult.
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: You had accessibility to do that.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: That's the weird part. I couldn't imagine that as a kid.
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: My daughter used to watch Destroy All Monsters every morning
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: for breakfast, you know. It was the sense of event. Yeah.
• 42:09
  Speaker 12: But, I mean, like, I think all kids just want
• 42:12
  Speaker 12: to watch things over and over and over, so they're, like,
• 42:14
  Speaker 12: they're ingenious in a way they're just like we're gonna
• 42:17
  Speaker 12: find a way to make this.
• 42:18
  Speaker 10: Happen that's the thing nobody ever talked about it like
• 42:22
  Speaker 10: it's not like the kids had a meeting in the kids.
• 42:23
  Speaker 14: Club it's not like I had friends who told me.
• 42:27
  Speaker 22: Things I didn't by the way on my sister's tape
• 42:29
  Speaker 22: recorder which which the funny thing was is we recorded
• 42:32
  Speaker 22: the audio to Wizard of Oz it was like oh
• 42:34
  Speaker 22: there's so much music and everything we were right up
• 42:36
  Speaker 22: next to it pushing play and record at the same
• 42:39
  Speaker 22: time and It's on every year, so it's not like.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: I don't think.
• 42:44
  Speaker 16: We ever listened to it. We just wanted to make
• 42:46
  Speaker 16: sure we had it, and then we watched.
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: The next year anyway.
• 42:49
  Speaker 10: On the Wizard of Oz thing, we had an 8-track of.
• 42:53
  Speaker 8: It, which also had all the dialogue.
• 42:55
  Speaker 10: It was almost the entire movie, because they went back
• 42:58
  Speaker 10: and forth, but I remember my parents had that, and
• 43:01
  Speaker 10: you could just kind of sit there and listen to it,
• 43:03
  Speaker 10: and they did mostly the songs, but there was a
• 43:04
  Speaker 10: lot of dialogue in there, too.
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: You know, the.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: I was a big Marx Brothers fan. I still am.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: And I loved.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: This is wacky, but.
• 43:18
  Speaker 7: I somehow got a tape of the Groucho Marx thing,
• 43:21
  Speaker 7: and it was supposed to be songs or music from
• 43:24
  Speaker 7: the movies. And what it was, it was actually Groucho
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: as an old man singing the songs from the movies.
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: And I didn't want that. I wanted the actual stuff
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: from the actual movie, which I thought was funnier and better.
• 43:36
  Speaker 7: But that wasn't out. So, actually, the next time PBS
• 43:40
  Speaker 7: played Duck Soup, I put my tape recorder up, too,
• 43:42
  Speaker 7: because that's what I wanted. And it wasn't available to me.
• 43:46
  Speaker 7: So it's sort of like I was like, well, if
• 43:49
  Speaker 7: I can't buy it, I'll just get it myself.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: I think piracy, that's how piracy starts.
• 43:54
  Speaker 8: That's what it is. It really is.
• 43:55
  Speaker 10: Fans will always find a way is the end result.
• 44:00
  Speaker 8: And now we have so much.
• 44:02
  Speaker 10: Opportunity and technology to make it so easy. Like, so
• 44:05
  Speaker 10: easy that it's destroying an industry.
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: But.
• 44:08
  Speaker 10: Again, it's like it would have, like, if it weren't
• 44:10
  Speaker 10: that easy, somebody out there would still be doing it.
• 44:13
  Speaker 10: I mean, look at, like, what you were saying in
• 44:14
  Speaker 10: the 90s. Like, well before there was an internet to
• 44:17
  Speaker 10: pass it around, people were passing tapes. They've been passing
• 44:20
  Speaker 10: audio tapes for years. They were passing videotapes around at
• 44:23
  Speaker 10: that point. Like, that basis is, you know, that network
• 44:27
  Speaker 10: of geeks is always going to be there.
• 44:29
  Speaker 12: It was.
• 44:30
  Speaker 9: In some places, it was even encouraged, like Mystery Science Theater.
• 44:33
  Speaker 9: At the very end, they'd say, keep circulating the tapes,
• 44:35
  Speaker 9: because there was a fan base that would tape them
• 44:37
  Speaker 9: and give them to people who didn't have access to cable.
• 44:41
  Speaker 16: And then in the early 90s, I remember there were
• 44:44
  Speaker 16: certain bands that I sought out that if you found
• 44:49
  Speaker 16: the right record store, CD store, whatever, they were putting
• 44:54
  Speaker 16: high-quality bootlegs onto CD, and they.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: Charged a lot of money for them, too. But, which
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: they were probably paying.
• 45:01
  Speaker 9: Sometimes they weren't that high quality.
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 45:03
  Speaker 16: Sometimes they were high quality, sometimes they weren't.
• 45:06
  Speaker 8: You don't know until after you bought it.
• 45:08
  Speaker 16: You know, I found one place that you could listen
• 45:11
  Speaker 16: to it before you bought it.
• 45:12
  Speaker 9: Oh, they liked their product.
• 45:13
  Speaker 8: And their people.
• 45:15
  Speaker 9: When I was in college, it was a similar place.
• 45:16
  Speaker 9: They would have them on, they'd press them on an album.
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: Uh-huh.
• 45:19
  Speaker 9: The album was so thinly, I mean, you could look
• 45:22
  Speaker 9: at it, you could barely see the grooves. It was
• 45:24
  Speaker 9: very thin.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: You could read newspaper.
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly.
• 45:26
  Speaker 16: But yeah, and that entire industry is gone now, too.
• 45:30
  Speaker 16: It's like all the money I spent and the time
• 45:32
  Speaker 16: I spent driving, looking for these places for something that
• 45:35
  Speaker 16: I could click.
• 45:37
  Speaker 9: Well, the thrill of the scavenger hunt's gone.
• 45:39
  Speaker 12: I get mad when I can't find something that I'm
• 45:42
  Speaker 12: looking for instantly. I'm like, why isn't this on the internet?
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: Everything should be on YouTube now.
• 45:48
  Speaker 8: Most of it is. It's a scary part.
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: To get back to the Doctor Who thing, when I
• 45:52
  Speaker 7: first became a fan, I see a theme here, Ben.
• 45:54
  Speaker 7: When I first became a fan and I was in
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: my little closet, I got the episode guide from England.
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: And I was looking at all these titles of stories like, ooh,
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: the Daleks master plan.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: That sounds amazing. And then I find out that it
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: was burnt. It doesn't exist. And I was like, but
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: everything exists.
• 46:14
  Speaker 7: What the hell, man? And it's so different to think that. Now,
• 46:20
  Speaker 7: kids have got it damn easy. Crazy old man here.
• 46:24
  Speaker 12: I had to walk 16 miles in the snow without shoes.
• 46:27
  Speaker 8: On to watch Doctor Who.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: To steal my movies.
• 46:31
  Speaker 16: Let's say Jedi for me. By the time I got
• 46:33
  Speaker 16: to Jedi, I was ready. I'd seen the two. I'd
• 46:38
  Speaker 16: gone to Empire twice, which my family, you never went
• 46:41
  Speaker 16: to see the movies twice. You just, you know. And
• 46:47
  Speaker 16: Just getting my parents to the theater once was a
• 46:49
  Speaker 16: big deal. Twice was huge. And as early as possible,
• 46:53
  Speaker 16: my mom took me to see Jedi. And immediately, as
• 46:56
  Speaker 16: soon as I go home, all the friends, you go
• 46:59
  Speaker 16: and you talk about it. You talk over the scenes.
• 47:01
  Speaker 16: And that repetition came because I wasn't going to be
• 47:04
  Speaker 16: able to see it for years. I don't know when
• 47:06
  Speaker 16: I saw it again the next time on VHS or
• 47:10
  Speaker 16: whenever it was that I saw it. But I knew
• 47:13
  Speaker 16: every part of that movie because I really... I think
• 47:16
  Speaker 16: I was more ready, this is never going to happen again,
• 47:19
  Speaker 16: I've gotta, and it's like I was a kid and
• 47:22
  Speaker 16: I absorbed it.
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: All of it.
• 47:24
  Speaker 16: And then you tell it to your friends, oh that scene,
• 47:26
  Speaker 16: oh yeah, oh that scene. had so much of the
• 47:29
  Speaker 16: dialogue right.
• 47:30
  Speaker 15: It wasn't like a game of telephone.
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 47:32
  Speaker 15: Luke, I am your brother.
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 47:35
  Speaker 8: Luke, let's totally make out.
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 47:38
  Speaker 8: You're playing with the toys.
• 47:39
  Speaker 16: And we did, and we had the toys, and we
• 47:41
  Speaker 16: didn't have the right toys yet, but we could, because
• 47:43
  Speaker 16: we had them from Empire or Star Wars, and so
• 47:46
  Speaker 16: you'd play the scenes, or you'd get the bubblegum cards,
• 47:49
  Speaker 16: and oh yeah, that happens.
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: Storybooks.
• 47:53
  Speaker 8: I had the storybooks.
• 47:54
  Speaker 16: And I did eventually get the Scholastic Book Club storybook
• 47:56
  Speaker 16: from Jedi, and that That helped.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: A lot, too.
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: There was, like, the album, The Story of Star Wars,
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: I remember, which my wife can quote in her sleep.
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: She listened to it so much in 1979, she's got it.
• 48:06
  Speaker 9: It's hard to remember how primed we were for Jedi,
• 48:09
  Speaker 9: because Empire ended on a cliffhanger four years earlier. I mean,
• 48:13
  Speaker 9: and this is in our formative years, it's like we
• 48:15
  Speaker 9: had four years to think, and then what happened? So
• 48:18
  Speaker 9: then it's like, we're poring over everything, every clue, it's like,
• 48:20
  Speaker 9: did Han live?
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know if Han lived or not.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: And I absorbed that.
• 48:24
  Speaker 16: I think more than any before or after movie ever,
• 48:27
  Speaker 16: and You know, I don't have to ever watch it.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: I don't watch it. I watch the others. I don't
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: watch it because I know exactly what happens.
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: We had all the supplemental media. We had comic books,
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: gum cards, records, books, story books.
• 48:41
  Speaker 8: And that's kind of where that hit.
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: Like, it had been around.
• 48:42
  Speaker 8: And now you can just get the movie.
• 48:45
  Speaker 10: But they saw it as a... That's where they latched
• 48:47
  Speaker 10: on to the money-making with Star Wars.
• 48:49
  Speaker 9: I mean, I was a comic book geek at the time,
• 48:51
  Speaker 9: and there was an ongoing series, a Star Wars series,
• 48:53
  Speaker 9: and there were certain things they couldn't touch. It's like
• 48:55
  Speaker 9: Han was missing between Empire, and they were on the
• 48:58
  Speaker 9: lookout for Han, and they'd almost get him, and they
• 49:00
  Speaker 9: missed him at the last Ward Mandel. So there was
• 49:03
  Speaker 9: a story going on, and it actually kept that universe
• 49:06
  Speaker 9: alive and vital.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: I've been noticing... that more and more it seems like
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: DVDs have fewer and fewer extras. There was a while
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: there where.
• 49:16
  Speaker 7: It's packed with documentaries, packed with commentaries, and I'm wondering
• 49:20
  Speaker 7: if it's because downloading and everything can be here in
• 49:27
  Speaker 7: an instant. The supplemental stuff doesn't have to happen anymore
• 49:31
  Speaker 7: because kids are.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: Like, oh yeah, I already got it. Well, it's that.
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: And it's also an expense the studio doesn't have to
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: incur by producing The big selling point for DVD early
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: on was that it was like laser. And you got
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: this cool stuff, and now you just go buy the DVD.
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: It's the only format there is, really.
• 49:47
  Speaker 10: Well, even now, the DVD and the Blu-ray market, even that,
• 49:51
  Speaker 10: which is pretty mainstream, is getting to the point it's
• 49:54
  Speaker 10: for collectors. It's for geeks, and they will do a
• 49:57
  Speaker 10: special edition version and put it on Blu-ray.
• 49:59
  Speaker 8: And that's all that buys it. Because the other.
• 50:01
  Speaker 10: People are just going to stream it on Netflix and.
• 50:03
  Speaker 8: Say, oh, I saw that. And they don't need all
• 50:05
  Speaker 8: the extras. They can care less about the extras.
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: To me, as an old school geek, it just diminishes
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: the experience so much. But it's a different generation.
• 50:13
  Speaker 9: First one I ever bought was The Matrix because it
• 50:15
  Speaker 9: had like eight hours of stuff on it. I think
• 50:18
  Speaker 9: it was a flipper disc.
• 50:19
  Speaker 16: It had the White Rabbit game.
• 50:25
  Speaker 9: Basically, I bought a DVD player to get this movie
• 50:27
  Speaker 9: at the time because it was just so... Amazing.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: Did we actually live through the only true movie geek period?
• 50:35
  Speaker 7: Is the next generation of stuff going to be, yeah,
• 50:38
  Speaker 7: movies are okay, whatever.
• 50:40
  Speaker 10: Again, I think it's always been around and there will
• 50:43
  Speaker 10: always be a version of it, but we hit at
• 50:45
  Speaker 10: that point where it became a thing and it became
• 50:49
  Speaker 10: widespread and it became a very unique thing. Again, no
• 50:53
  Speaker 10: generation had that before and now no generation is going
• 50:56
  Speaker 10: to have the same experience. It's going to be different.
• 50:59
  Speaker 8: But it'll never be like that.
• 51:00
  Speaker 12: There's just so much media produced nowadays. If you guys
• 51:03
  Speaker 12: waited four years for the next Star Wars movie, you'd
• 51:07
  Speaker 12: have to wait a week for the next thing that's
• 51:09
  Speaker 12: going to catch your attention now. It's like Friday to Friday,
• 51:11
  Speaker 12: new movies released.
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: There's so much material, especially genre material, being put out. Television.
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: Netflix series. These things are all new.
• 51:20
  Speaker 7: This may be the old man in me again, but
• 51:22
  Speaker 7: I find more and more I don't like new movies.
• 51:26
  Speaker 7: I I much prefer to watch an old black and
• 51:28
  Speaker 7: white thing. It feels more, I don't know, it feels
• 51:31
  Speaker 7: more honest in a weird way. This totally old man
• 51:34
  Speaker 7: here speaking, but just.
• 51:36
  Speaker 9: There's a certain rush to, when a movie's released, it
• 51:39
  Speaker 9: has from Friday to Friday to make its money because
• 51:42
  Speaker 9: the next week there's going to be another movie that's
• 51:44
  Speaker 9: going to be the big movie.
• 51:45
  Speaker 17: Knock it out.
• 51:46
  Speaker 9: It's like what last week was Ender's Game, this week
• 51:48
  Speaker 9: was Thor, and next week will be, there's like movies
• 51:50
  Speaker 9: coming out.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: I'm so far behind. I still haven't seen The Lone Ranger.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: Should I see that?
• 51:56
  Speaker 8: Yeah, definitely see that, by the way.
• 51:58
  Speaker 12: I've never really seen movies in theaters. Why am I here?
• 52:01
  Speaker 8: I've never really seen movies. Well, and that's part of it, though.
• 52:03
  Speaker 10: I think there's a good portion of the population that
• 52:06
  Speaker 10: falls into that now. And I don't think that would
• 52:08
  Speaker 10: have been the case years ago. Because everybody went to
• 52:12
  Speaker 10: the movies. That was your only way of seeing it.
• 52:14
  Speaker 10: But now that there is a constant streaming source of
• 52:16
  Speaker 10: entertainment that sits in your house waiting for you to
• 52:19
  Speaker 10: get home, why the hell would you get a babysitter
• 52:22
  Speaker 10: and go pay for parking or dinner.
• 52:24
  Speaker 8: Or whatever else?
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: Has technology ruined it?
• 52:27
  Speaker 8: It's changed it. I think that's what it is.
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: It's changed it.
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: I have to go for spectacle now. If there's not.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: Because if it's a movie.
• 52:37
  Speaker 18: That I'm going to go for the plot or the acting,
• 52:42
  Speaker 18: I'm probably not going to go to the movies. If
• 52:46
  Speaker 18: it's not like Gravity, or I'll give you the one
• 52:50
  Speaker 18: that I did pay to go see, and that was
• 52:52
  Speaker 18: Pacific Rim.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: This is big, loud, obnoxious explosions. Not Michael Bay explosions,
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: this is going to be.
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: It's robot fighting. If I don't go in the theater
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: and shake.
• 53:10
  Speaker 16: Um and and it felt you know fill my view
• 53:13
  Speaker 16: there's no reason to go right um i'm not gonna
• 53:16
  Speaker 16: even watch it i'm not interested in watching it at
• 53:18
  Speaker 16: home it's not a thinking movie that i'm gonna sit
• 53:20
  Speaker 16: down and watch again.
• 53:21
  Speaker 10: I understand that maneuver but at the same time i
• 53:25
  Speaker 10: think that's become part of the problem that's what so
• 53:27
  Speaker 10: many people do and that's what they keep making is big.
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: Young people are still going out when my.
• 53:32
  Speaker 16: Kids are raised and I can leave them at home
• 53:35
  Speaker 16: and go to the movie theater.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: I'll go every weekend.
• 53:37
  Speaker 8: Party!
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Dad's gone!
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: I can't, you know.
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: I can only, you know, point to my experience working
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: here for a dozen years.
• 53:44
  Speaker 8: We're at the theater, by the way.
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: My movie attendance dropped steadily every year.
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: Regardless of quality, because we showed all the good stuff
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: back then.
• 53:53
  Speaker 10: I mean, you were a very arthouse theater when this
• 53:56
  Speaker 10: theater began.
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: We were an arthouse and independent revival theater. That's one
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: of the reasons I eventually left. We abandoned that.
• 54:02
  Speaker 11: Um.
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: In the past year, what have I seen here? I
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: saw Pacific Rim twice in one day. It was astounding.
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: Because I'm a geek and I wanted to see Guillermo
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: on the big screen. I saw The Way Way Back,
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: which I really liked. Sweet movie. And then I didn't
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: see anything until I watched Wicker Man twice this weekend.
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: That's it. That's all I've seen here.
• 54:25
  Speaker 8: The real Wicker Man, by the way.
• 54:26
  Speaker 14: I'm all about the cinematic experience. I saw four movies
• 54:29
  Speaker 14: in the theater in the last week. And I didn't
• 54:31
  Speaker 14: need to. One of them was a documentary that I
• 54:33
  Speaker 14: just as easily could have watched at home, is probably
• 54:35
  Speaker 14: on On Demand, which is Muscle Shoals. But I really
• 54:38
  Speaker 14: like the audience interaction. I like seeing it in a
• 54:41
  Speaker 14: darkened room with strangers, and I sort of feed off
• 54:44
  Speaker 14: of other people's reactions. I saw, what was that last,
• 54:49
  Speaker 14: I'm going to conflate all my end titles, but the
• 54:53
  Speaker 14: one about the James Franco, like, This.
• 54:56
  Speaker 12: Is the end.
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: This is the end.
• 54:57
  Speaker 8: Whatever that is.
• 54:58
  Speaker 14: I went to see that in the theater. I wound
• 55:00
  Speaker 14: up being the only person in the theater by myself
• 55:02
  Speaker 14: and did not laugh.
• 55:02
  Speaker 8: I could have watched those at home.
• 55:04
  Speaker 14: Yeah, it was very disappointing to me personally that there
• 55:07
  Speaker 14: wasn't like a bunch of other people there.
• 55:08
  Speaker 8: Hi, by the way.
• 55:10
  Speaker 15: But I actually, and the.
• 55:11
  Speaker 14: Four movies that I saw this week, all of which
• 55:13
  Speaker 14: were incredible, which was Muscle Shoals. short-term 12, 12 Years
• 55:18
  Speaker 14: a Slave, and actually I really liked About Time, which
• 55:22
  Speaker 14: I'm somewhat hesitant to say out loud.
• 55:25
  Speaker 15: But I don't know.
• 55:26
  Speaker 14: For me, if I see something at home, it's easier
• 55:30
  Speaker 14: for me to forget it, whereas if I see a
• 55:31
  Speaker 14: movie in a theater, for whatever reason, I can remember
• 55:35
  Speaker 14: that experience. I can remember what theater I was in.
• 55:37
  Speaker 14: I can remember scene by scene what my reactions were.
• 55:40
  Speaker 14: And if I see it at home, it kind of
• 55:41
  Speaker 14: all merges together for me.
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: If I had my option, I would do that. That's
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: why I didn't have children. It's largely a.
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: Matter of having the time and having the ability to
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: do it. But where did you see most of these?
• 55:55
  Speaker 14: I saw two at the Kentucky Theater, and I saw two.
• 55:59
  Speaker 5: At the mall. Okay. And the Kentucky Theater you have
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: a very strong relationship with. In my era of moviegoing
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: was the Vogue here in Louisville. That was my home.
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: I had a powerful, strong relationship with that, but it's gone.
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: So I'm bereft of that now. I don't have a
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: place that is that social center. Not even here, which
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: we built from the ground up, did I ever feel that.
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: So I have all these wonderful memories of seeing movies
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: theatrically that are just like yours where I can remember everything,
• 56:28
  Speaker 5: but it's gone. I mourn for that very much.
• 56:31
  Speaker 9: I used to love going to movies. I don't do
• 56:33
  Speaker 9: it as much now, and I caught myself not going
• 56:35
  Speaker 9: as much because I think home theater has basically ruined,
• 56:40
  Speaker 9: and I'm going to sound like Ben's old man here,
• 56:43
  Speaker 9: Fighting old men. Fighting old men. People don't know how
• 56:46
  Speaker 9: to see a movie anymore. And it's not just teenagers.
• 56:48
  Speaker 9: I mean, yes, teenagers are obnoxious, but there's a certain
• 56:52
  Speaker 9: amount of callow youth.
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: That you'll expect.
• 56:55
  Speaker 9: I went actually here at Baxter Avenue. We saw The
• 56:59
  Speaker 9: Descendants last year with that George Clooney movie and we
• 57:02
  Speaker 9: enjoyed it, but there were older ladies behind us. I mean,
• 57:07
  Speaker 9: they're in late 50s, early 60s, not incredibly.
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: Older, but Adults? Adults, yes.
• 57:12
  Speaker 9: Responsible adults. They were sitting, not right behind us, but
• 57:15
  Speaker 9: they were in the row behind us on the other side.
• 57:18
  Speaker 9: Doesn't George have a shirt like that? What kind of
• 57:22
  Speaker 9: flowers are those? At room volume, they weren't whispering to
• 57:25
  Speaker 9: each other to the point where I got up and said, ma'am,
• 57:27
  Speaker 9: could you please stop? And they just looked mortified, but
• 57:30
  Speaker 9: they didn't know they were just impending on anything.
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: They watch television a lot. We've thrown far more adults
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: out of this place than we ever threw kids out. Oh, yeah.
• 57:39
  Speaker 9: And they should know better.
• 57:40
  Speaker 12: Texting is bad at movies now. Even though it says
• 57:43
  Speaker 12: not to, it's really bad.
• 57:44
  Speaker 14: My favorite experience with an inappropriate talker was I was
• 57:47
  Speaker 14: at a movie theater in Los Angeles, and a woman's
• 57:50
  Speaker 14: phone rang, and we all had that moment where we
• 57:51
  Speaker 14: were like, seriously, your phone's ringing? And she answers it,
• 57:55
  Speaker 14: and she says... I'm in a movie right now. And
• 57:58
  Speaker 14: then there's sort of this collective sigh of relief. Like, well,
• 58:01
  Speaker 14: she answered the phone, but she's doing the right thing.
• 58:03
  Speaker 14: And then she says, but it's not that good. What's
• 58:04
  Speaker 14: going on?
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Amazing.
• 58:07
  Speaker 9: I think everybody needs a hitter with a bag of pennies.
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: At this point.
• 58:10
  Speaker 9: I think it's okay. I think as a society we
• 58:12
  Speaker 9: should allow that.
• 58:13
  Speaker 10: I think it's funny that even the theaters have just
• 58:15
  Speaker 10: gotten on board with, look, everybody's got their damn cell phone,
• 58:18
  Speaker 10: they're going to be texting. So now our stupid games
• 58:20
  Speaker 10: at the beginning, we're inviting you, get out your phone,
• 58:23
  Speaker 10: text us an answer to this stupid trivia question that
• 58:25
  Speaker 10: everybody knows the answer to.
• 58:27
  Speaker 14: But they have, there's now like the sleep mode, you
• 58:29
  Speaker 14: get coupons if you put your phone in the sleep
• 58:31
  Speaker 14: app or whatever.
• 58:32
  Speaker 8: It's so ridiculous.
• 58:33
  Speaker 14: And then they've actually gotten really aggressive at the Cinemark,
• 58:35
  Speaker 14: which I kind of love. There's now, it used to
• 58:37
  Speaker 14: be kind of like, don't do this, and if you
• 58:38
  Speaker 14: don't mind, and if it would be okay with you,
• 58:40
  Speaker 14: we'd like you to. And now there's like, I don't
• 58:42
  Speaker 14: know if you've seen it, but there's like, we will,
• 58:44
  Speaker 14: and there's like a stick figure and then a target.
• 58:47
  Speaker 15: Gets placed on them. And it's just like this angry
• 58:49
  Speaker 15: voice saying, we will throw you out. We will do this.
• 58:52
  Speaker 8: For a while.
• 58:53
  Speaker 12: We are watching you.
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: A few years ago, there was actually damping technology being
• 58:57
  Speaker 5: used where they were jamming. That's great. They had to stop.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: Because I spend way too much time going to the theater.
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: They were knocking out all signals in theaters.
• 59:04
  Speaker 10: Nice.
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: And they contemplated it here, and it's like they started saying, well,
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: that's really against the law.
• 59:09
  Speaker 8: Stupid law.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: Just put up a sign that says if you don't
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: want to don't come.
• 59:13
  Speaker 10: In yeah don't come to this theater I think that
• 59:16
  Speaker 10: would win people over. That is a complaint with a
• 59:19
  Speaker 10: lot of people. If you started advertising as, you know,
• 59:21
  Speaker 10: we're going to tell you up front, your cell phone's
• 59:24
  Speaker 10: not going to work here, so don't bother.
• 59:25
  Speaker 8: I would go there.
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: What they need is segregation. I want the theater for
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: cell phone people.
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: There are those draft house type theaters where it's adults only,
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: no kids, no phones. You use your phone, you get
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: thrown out. I read somewhere Madonna got thrown out of
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: her own film.
• 59:41
  Speaker 10: Festival or something where she picked up the phone and
• 59:43
  Speaker 10: they threw her out.
• 59:44
  Speaker 9: I would go to those theaters. I mean, that would
• 59:46
  Speaker 9: be a selling point for me.
• 59:47
  Speaker 5: They are doing it.
• 59:48
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I would pay a premium to do that.
• 59:51
  Speaker 7: There was a big controversy a couple years ago because
• 59:54
  Speaker 7: some restaurants started having signs saying children will not be.
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: Served or something.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 8: Kids, they're a lot of trouble.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 7: Well, it was something like crying children parents will be
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 7: asked to leave because the whole thing was it was
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 7: a more expensive restaurant and people... The economy is tight.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 7: They're paying to come out and have an experience, and
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 7: they didn't want to ruin it.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 10: I think the sign should be parents will be asked
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 10: to parent. Do something about it.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 8: No, no. Wouldn't want that.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 12: No, I had this conversation with my best friend today
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 12: because her kid is like, I mean, she's absolutely my
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 12: favorite person on the planet. but but they could be
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 12: brats we i mean we weren't doing anything we were
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 12: doing everything to make her happy but we both were
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 12: just at the point we're like we're gonna shake you don't.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 8: Don't shake the thing.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 12: Because like i was telling lucy earlier she's like i
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 12: want this i don't want this no i want this
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 12: no i don't want what do you want i'm gonna
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 12: choke you yeah like it has you know like That's
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 12: the thing, and I'm not a breeder, so I feel
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 12: like my opinion might not matter that much. But whenever
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 12: you don't have kids and you look at a parent
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 12: with a really annoying, bratty kid, you're just like, what
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 12: a shitty parent you are. But no, kids are shitty.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 12: Sometimes you're an awesome parent and your kid is shitty.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 5: Sometimes it happens.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 10: I love my nieces and nephews, but sometimes they're just bratty.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 15: What are you going to do?
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 12: And this, I mean... I was like, if I ever
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 12: have kids, I'm going to build a padded room. Or
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 12: I was like, no, that's probably illegal.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 8: Not if they don't see it.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 12: I was like, I'm going to soundproof the walls of
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 12: their bedroom, and when they're bad, I'm just going to
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 12: lock them in their room until they stop screaming.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 8: Have you seen Carrie? Are you going to have a closet?
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 12: I'm not going to lock them in a closet.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 5: Go to your closet.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 9: It's a nice padded room, not under the stairs. It's
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 9: their bedroom.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 12: It's just their room. They just can't come out of it.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: Some kids respond to example. Some don't. I was lucky
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: raising Allie. She's, I've got to be honest, a pretty
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: angelic child to raise. It was pretty amazing. But she's
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: had her days. And when she has those days, you know,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: she'll suffer for it. It's time to leave the zoo.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: We did.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 8: That's what people should do.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 7: Conduit Dave went so far as to build a theater
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 7: in your basement so you wouldn't have to deal with.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 9: All the play theaters.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: He has a big screen.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 8: I don't even let my wife in.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 7: I was using my cell phone there the other night.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 9: He hit me.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 8: Rightfully so.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: I had it coming, I admit.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 9: It's because I love you.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 8: I was texting you. He's trying to parent you. You
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 8: need to learn some lessons.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 9: Spare the rod, spoil the band, I always say.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 7: But it was amazing, because you actually made your own screen.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 7: You figured out a way to keep it taut and
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 7: staple it down, and it's amazing.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: I feel like when you watch a movie there, you
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: feel like, I've earned this movie.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: That's right.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 9: I control my environment. If they're screaming, it's me screaming.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 8: And I think a lot of people have gone to
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 8: that now.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 10: I think it became that once we can.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: Do it at home, it's like.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 10: I don't have to put up with anybody else. I can,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 10: you know, watch whatever I want to watch. I can
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 10: pause it when I want to. I can, you know,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 10: I don't have to deal with other people texting and
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 10: talking and being an idiot.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 16: And when you, when a DVD, by the time you
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 16: pay for you and your wife, when a DVD is
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 16: the same price.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 8: You can buy the movie.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 16: And you know, when you throw in a babysitter or whatever, it's,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 16: it's just not worth it.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 8: Just not worth it.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 23: That's a sad thought for the movie geeks out there today.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 23: But as usual, you get a bunch of geeks like
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 23: us together and invite them to talk about fandom and technology,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 23: and they're going to dive deep into that topic. And
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 23: that's what we did here.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 10: So this conversation goes on long enough to spill over
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 10: into the next episode. So we'll cap it off here
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 10: for now. But as a little bonus, we're going to
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 10: round out this episode with something extra. Since you don't
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 10: get many DVD extras these days, we'll give you a
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 10: podcast bonus feature with this last bit here.
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  Speaker 8: And of course, it revolves around Star Wars. So enjoy that,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 8: and we'll be back next.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 10: Time with more on changing technology and how it affects
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 10: the geeks of the world.
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  Speaker 8: And with that, we will return next week.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 10: Same geek time, same geek feed. And now, on to
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 10: your bounty hunter bonus feature.
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  Speaker 2: Are you going to.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: Ask your Boba Fett question?
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: Oh, no.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: Brian is the one that sent it.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 10: I sent it to you, and I was like, what
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 10: the hell? This dude has way too much free time.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 9: What's the Boba Fett question?
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: I've got to know now.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 8: It's a theory.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: I'm shaking over here. Wait, wait, hold it. You need
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: to press recording in and put this out as an extra.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 15: This is a DVD extra.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: Bonus episode. Boba Fett is actually the one that murdered
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: Luke and Leia's aunt and uncle.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 8: Well, Luke's aunt and uncle.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: Luke's aunt and uncle.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 8: I guess technically Leia's, but she doesn't know him.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 16: And the reason why was Darth Vader would have been
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 16: protecting them because he would have known they were there.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 16: He's been to their home already. There's no way, and
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 16: that was his only family that he knew of that
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 16: still survived. Otherwise, he would have been there long ago.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 16: Other points were Empire wouldn't have had no reason to
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 16: murder them. In fact, all the Empire ever did was
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 16: just take people and interrogate them. Detain people. They never
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 16: went out and shot them up. He would have had
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 16: the same style, since he is a clone, to have
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 16: done it. He probably would have been competing with the
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 16: other bounty hunters that would have gone to the site
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 16: and looking for the stolen tapes. He was at the
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 16: scene because in the 97 re-release.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: He was there.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 5: Oh, he was walking around, you're right. Yeah, so I mean.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 9: He's at the scene of the crime. He has motive
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 9: and opportunity.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 5: He has far more thought than George ever put into it.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: And then they.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 7: Start to point out that in Empire Strikes Back, whenever
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 7: Vader is using the bounty hunters, he keeps making specific.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: He keeps.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 7: Giving specific directions to Boba Fett as if he knows that.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 5: In the past.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 8: Like last time, you bastard.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 7: Boba Fett did something a little bit above and beyond
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 7: and he wants to make sure that nothing bad happens again.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 7: In fact, Remember, Boba Fett's going to shoot Chewbacca in
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 7: Cloud City and Vader stops him.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 8: See, I remember having theories about that years ago.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: Vader's given Boba Fett on a short lease.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 9: Now I've got to watch all these movies again.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: Whenever they're on the start of the story, he's given
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: them the instructions. He goes up to Boba Fett and
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: he says, no disintegrations. Not like last time.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 9: Very pointedly.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 16: Yeah, so he hired him to go find the stolen
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 16: data tapes.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: Interesting.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: And to cover up his track, Boba Fett killed his
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: aunt and uncle. That makes sense.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 7: And my addendum to this is that I can totally
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 7: believe that. And the only reason we think that it
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 7: was Imperial Stormtroopers that killed Uncle Owen and Aunt Bruce
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 7: is because Obi-Wan told Luke.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: That's true.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: And I'm thinking Obi-Wan probably knew that it was Boba Fett.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 9: He's a notorious liar.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: He is. A lot.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 7: If there is anyone in the universe who has a
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 7: beef against the government, it's Obi-Wan. He's sort of like
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 7: a teabagger guy. He wants to bring down the government.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 7: And so he's thinking, you know... Luke is a potential ally.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 7: He needs a 9-11 moment to really get him going.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 9: Let's wind up Luke and point him at the Empire.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because think about it.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 7: It's been established that the Imperials, they're not going to
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 7: drag people out in the streets and kill them.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: A locked door stops them. You know, it's like, if
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: the door's locked, just move on. All Uncle Owen and
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: Andrew had to do was lock their doors, and the
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: troops would have, like, left.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 9: No wonder Vader hired Boba Fett, because the Stormtroopers would
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 9: be really, really mad about this sort of shit.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 7: I maintain that Obi-Wan, he wanted the government to be
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 7: brought down, so he was like, yeah.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 9: Luke, it was.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 19: Only there this besides and you know that we see
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 19: nothing about that the moment that he sees their charred
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 19: bodies you see on his face that is the moment
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 19: where he's like yeah i'm gonna bring down this government
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 19: and obi-wan's like.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 16: It makes it so much better and you know lucas
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 16: didn't do anything That's some rich backstory right there.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 8: The huge loophole in this theory.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he said, your dad's dead. Darth Vader killed him.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: It's true from a certain point of view.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 10: The huge loophole in this is I've seen troops.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: You killed him, son of a bitch.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 8: I've seen the footage, damn it. I know how it
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 8: went down.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 9: Obi-Wan says only stormtroopers are this precise. It's like, and
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 9: we never see them be precise.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 10: But they are that precise because.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: He is a stormtrooper.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 8: They're cloned off of him.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 16: That's why they're not good is because they're not true
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 16: on all two.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: Of copies.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 16: They're the VHS copy of Boba Fett.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 9: Jango Fett had an astigmatism but he had corrective lenses
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 9: and he never gave those lenses to the stormtroopers.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 8: That's why he had two guns.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: He was like, one of these will hit.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 8: By the way, I'm really nearsighted. Nearsighted.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 9: God, that memo never got me.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: You know, at first I was like, oh, that's me.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: Then I thought about it. That makes sense.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 11: It fits.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: I thought about it all day at work that day.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 7: I was like, Obi-Wan Kenobi is an old hermit living
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 7: in seclusion just like a guy in Montana stockpiling ammo
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 7: and writing manifestos.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 8: Hey, leave me out of this.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: Ted Kaczynski, Obi-Wan Kenobi.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the same thing.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: They all have white beards.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 9: It's the same thing.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 14: Counting?
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, Alec Guinness was an old drunk anyways. Space
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: team party.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 15: Who's the most despot in Mandalorian? War is over, I'm
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 15: a piece of Mandalorian.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 17: The story is stumped, Star Wars historians deep in debate,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 17: but they play at benefits. Rhyme renegade, show to penetrate.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 17: First and second offense, I won't hesitate. Got a job
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 17: to do in Darce, the guy that delegates. Got something
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 17: against Skywalker, someone he really hates. I don't give a fuck,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 17: I'm after solo For all I carry, could be hiding
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 17: at Yoda's dojo Gotta make the money, credit's no good
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 17: When a Jabba's run a shop in your neighborhood Think
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 17: you can cook, I got a grappling hook Let's make
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 17: this quick, cause I'm really booked I'm a devious degenerate,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 17: defender of the devil Shook on all the trash compactors
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 17: on the detention level My backpack's got chits, well I'm Boba,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 17: the vet Well I bounty hunt for Jabba Hut to
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 17: finance my vet Well I chill.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 15: In deep space Our mask is over my face. Will
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 15: I deliver the crown? But I still narrow my eyes.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 15: Cause my time, I don't like to waste.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: Get down.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 17: I'm a question, wrap inside enigma. Get inside a slave
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 17: bar and find your home and signal. From Endor to Hearth,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 17: Ripley to Spock. I'll find what you want, but.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 15: There's gotta be a cost. Say my name is Boba Fett.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 17: I know my shit is tight. Start acting right. Yo,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 17: fuck on the carbonite. Got telescopic sight. Flamethrowers on my wrist.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 17: You still don't get the jet spike.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 15: Pussy made the kick. Talk is a made a hit.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 17: You think I give a shit? Your mama is a bitch.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 17: I'll see you in the Sarlacc pit.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 15: You just flipped my switch.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: Integrity's been ditched.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 20: You scratchin' on my itch.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 15: You know I shoot to get.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 17: I got Fabina's circotina's way to lick my lusty lips.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 17: So I'll let you get back inside your little spaceship.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 17: Give you a head start, cause I'm a sportin' con.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 17: Consider the startin' line a sneaky smile. Hide inside, hope
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 17: you have hyperdrive.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 15: Pray to stay alive. Don't try to slip me five,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 15: cause I never take a bribe. Do the beat of
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 15: a different drummer. Baddest bunny heart. Let no man put
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 15: us under all else.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 17: Be put under as in six feet Got an imperial
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 17: fleet backing me up Gonna blow up any attempt to
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 17: defeat They got a dead star Got four payments on
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 17: my car Handed over to Hammerhead At most I see
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 17: bar I used to carjack And he's a bar back
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 17: Just go to show how you can get back on
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 17: the right track Guess for me that's not an option
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 17: Can't say that with more clarity Me.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 15: Going legit would be like Jar Jar with.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 17: Speech therapy My backpack's got jets Well I'm boba, the
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 17: fat Well I brownie hard for Java hard to finance
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 17: My bed, well I chill in deep space A mask
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 17: is over my face.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 15: Will I deliver the pride? But I still narrow my eyes.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 15: Cause my time, I don't like to waste.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: Get down.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 15: Face it open like a tom-tom. Faster than an automobile.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: Or a motorbike.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 15: I can try and do the deed. I'm living on gum.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 15: Jabba has to hit the fit. Contact a recipient. Overcode
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 15: the plan. I'm focused on politics.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: It's legit.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 17: Back in the day when I was a slave. Living
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 17: life in a vast lane. Lacking a pod race. Mean
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 17: street tweak. That became a basic case.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 15: So the space aid put that place postage. Took up
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 15: a number of cars.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 17: Called a Clone Wars Lifestyle all about girls and cars
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 17: Gettin' fucked up in fucked up bars See I'm not
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 17: a retard Or gay like the barge I'm large and
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 17: uncharged with a face so scarred A cold black cart
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 17: that's been torn apart The Sith wish that they had
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 17: a dick so hard Cause it's long long ago when
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 17: a pussy far far called me master Cause I'm faster
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 17: than Pryor on fire I no longer have to hot
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 17: wire I'm a hunter for hire with no plans to
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 17: retire And all the sucker MCs can't call me star
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 17: My backpack's got jets Well I'm boba I bounty hunt
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 17: for a job.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: I hate to finance my family. Bye, everyone. Bye.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 5: Bye.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 19: It's going to ramble forever.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: But I read that and I was like, son of
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: a bitch. No geek rambles like a 40-year-old geek.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 9: That's years of geekness just pent up.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 8: Oh, Grandpa, settle down.
• 1:13:09
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• 1:13:12
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• 1:13:15
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• 1:13:18
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• 1:13:21
  Speaker 16: Talk hard!