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The Shocking Nerf That Will Change Altered TCG Forever · Archons Corner

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  Speaker 1: Dude, miss god oh ry oh maybe all right? What's
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  Speaker 1: going on? Everybody? I am the one, the only, the
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  Speaker 1: w oh okay, I eat joined here with the new Castle,
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  Speaker 1: my new family.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that what they say when you get divorced? It's
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  Speaker 1: my new family, I.
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  Speaker 2: Mean divorced or like, ignored, abused, neglected, punish like for sure.
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  Speaker 1: So many adjectives there. But we got things.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, that's me.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, big here, we got Zach.
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  Speaker 3: How's it going, guys?
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  Speaker 1: We got ogre Heny.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks for having me back only this time after this
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, you're cut off, your cut off no more?
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  Speaker 1: And we got this sure and all right, tons of
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  Speaker 1: stuff to go over. There was a thing that happened
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  Speaker 1: this week, right or last week now right? Yep, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so it's a big thing. It happened a lot. Do
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  Speaker 1: you want to go over that first, or do you
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  Speaker 1: want to go Are we going down the list?
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  Speaker 2: I think we're going down the list, So going.
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  Speaker 1: Down the list. So we're gonna start out with the
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  Speaker 1: unique of the week.
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  Speaker 2: All right, ogre is taking a break to start our
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  Speaker 2: segment for our still missing other casts. Mate, so he
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  Speaker 2: overn give him more time? If once about that. So
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  Speaker 2: our Unique of the week was actually kind of a
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  Speaker 2: throwout to like you just find really cool stuff in
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  Speaker 2: the wild. Last week, Zach and we were playing at
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  Speaker 2: a local what was it sealed of it and at
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  Speaker 2: the end of it we all got the little ope packs,
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  Speaker 2: reopened the three and between the two of us we
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  Speaker 2: opened six total cards and we popped the unique and
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  Speaker 2: it was Sandman Unique. Sandman in the lier of faction.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty fun car, just having learning in general, But this
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  Speaker 2: one is a poor hand cost for reserve costs a
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  Speaker 2: little higher than on most leaders are want of running.
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  Speaker 2: But the stats on it are four to three zero.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so pretty much in line with what you'd expect
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  Speaker 2: for that can cost and the reserve cost, because that's
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  Speaker 2: generally how the Sandman works. But here's the cool part.
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  Speaker 2: This is why it's our unique of the week, just
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  Speaker 2: the fact that people are opening these things every day
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  Speaker 2: and these they have fun stuff. So it has an
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  Speaker 2: arrow effect. So all the time that you play it
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  Speaker 2: up to one target creature gains asleep, you may have
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  Speaker 2: it gained two boosts. The really significant thing is here
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  Speaker 2: is that is the basic sand Man effect, but normal
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  Speaker 2: sand Man effect only has it from the hand play,
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  Speaker 2: so you're getting this effect times too, so whether you're
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  Speaker 2: running a Liri deck that is going for festival or
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  Speaker 2: you're just pushing someone that has a static effect like
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  Speaker 2: an aloe alo vera, just to get that extra stuff
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  Speaker 2: the next turn. But it has another effect. It has
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  Speaker 2: another hero effect, which is resupply, which is absolutely gold,
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  Speaker 2: especially if you're running a Fen deck. I will never
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  Speaker 2: play Venka, but if you're playing a Venka, just having
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  Speaker 2: more cards available to you as solid and this even
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  Speaker 2: has a zero stat if you are somehow insane enough
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  Speaker 2: to go play kibbles and bose games.
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to mention that actually, just before we go
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  Speaker 4: too much further on it, the thing that immediately jumped
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  Speaker 4: out to me about this card is that often we're
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  Speaker 4: going to find ourselves talking about Fenn when we're talking
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  Speaker 4: about Lira, because that's the competitive hero in pink, right.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, this is a card with a zero stat
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  Speaker 4: which is how you stack AREC triggers. And also the
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  Speaker 4: way that our exibility works is he pulls the top
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  Speaker 4: card off the deck and sends it into play directly. Right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: so any hand abilities aren't evaluated because you didn't play
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  Speaker 4: it from your hand, but arrow abilities still trigger all
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  Speaker 4: all the arrow means is comes into play from anywhere,
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  Speaker 4: right yep. So this card maybe uniquely good amongst some
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  Speaker 4: of the other things that we've seen. If you're wanting
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  Speaker 4: to run the like the Gamble arc build, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that is what most impressed me with
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  Speaker 2: this card is it is literally good for every single hero.
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  Speaker 2: And we've we're going to be talking about this a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Most of the way the decks are being built. There
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  Speaker 2: are when you see a good unique it's actually only
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  Speaker 2: good for like one hero And I don't think you're
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  Speaker 2: ever going to use this, but heck for why not
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  Speaker 2: this This card actually has a quick quick action as well.
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  Speaker 2: You can discard it from your reserve. You may have
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  Speaker 2: a target character other than it lose fleeting. So if
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  Speaker 2: you have something you really want to get fleeting off
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  Speaker 2: the board, you could do that too with it if
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  Speaker 2: you just don't have the mana in and you're going
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  Speaker 2: for some kind of need. But in general, this card
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  Speaker 2: is its value on value. Let's just thrown out there
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  Speaker 2: like this is one of the really cool things about
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  Speaker 2: Altered Look. You get to see these things that don't
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  Speaker 2: exist and this is the only one I looked for
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  Speaker 2: others s and man, I literally can't find anything like
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  Speaker 2: this out there. So that's it's pretty pretty cool.
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  Speaker 4: And and last week we kind of we ranted a
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  Speaker 4: little bit about some of the Blue uniques. Obviously, you know,
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  Speaker 4: we have feelings about how the algorithm treats Blue versus
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  Speaker 4: how some of the other factions get treated in it.
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  Speaker 4: But I think this is a great example of a
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  Speaker 4: card where like if we were going to just say
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  Speaker 4: a good unique rite, a card that does something that
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  Speaker 4: you're not going to find elsewhere, that has a little
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  Speaker 4: bit more value maybe than it's rare counterpart in the
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  Speaker 4: right circumstances, and something that's just going to generally like
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  Speaker 4: round a deck out and you're always gonna like, you
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  Speaker 4: will never feel bad including this card over a common
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  Speaker 4: and that is not true of all uniques, especially yeah,
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  Speaker 4: because it's you know, it's not just the common slot,
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  Speaker 4: it's also you're taking up a hero slot, like you
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  Speaker 4: can't have that third sin men now that you're not
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  Speaker 4: going to run into that. So this is just this
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  Speaker 4: is a great baseline for if we were going to
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  Speaker 4: look for what is sort of across the board, good
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  Speaker 4: not ortist good, right, and that's not not is mere
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  Speaker 4: good but just good?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it is mere good? Is is it at
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  Speaker 2: least as good as the rare? So to get a
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  Speaker 2: lot of that's is the mere good?
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  Speaker 1: So here's a question for you guys. Yeah see, I
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  Speaker 1: know you weren't big into other card games, but maybe
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the cast was why is blue Whenever
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  Speaker 1: there seems to be colors in a game, why is
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  Speaker 1: blue always the one causing trouble? Magic? It's literally blue?
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  Speaker 1: In key Forge it was logos, which is blue. It
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  Speaker 1: always seems to be blue, seems to be the best.
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  Speaker 1: And I can't imagine that this is pure and utter coincidence.
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  Speaker 4: At this point, you've stumbled upon a conspiracy that I
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  Speaker 4: don't think we're allowed to talk about on it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry part of the illuminati with that though. Ogre's
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  Speaker 2: segment for today is up.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, So obviously I'm I'm not Dexter, right, I well,
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  Speaker 4: I'm significantly I was told significantly older, I'm not as
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  Speaker 4: good at card games. But I'm gonna just pretend to
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  Speaker 4: be him for a week because I have been thinking
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  Speaker 4: a lot about some of what we're going to talk
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  Speaker 4: about here. In a bit some of the tournament footage
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  Speaker 4: that I watched, some of the tournaments that I participated in,
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  Speaker 4: and I've had a lot of opportunity, as you may
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  Speaker 4: have guessed from how much we talk about watching like
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  Speaker 4: Waru plays and just kind of general grumblings about the
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  Speaker 4: high tier play that we've been spectating. But stepping away
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  Speaker 4: from grumbling about it and like looking at what I
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  Speaker 4: can take from it, there's something that I really wanted
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  Speaker 4: to put forward. For the audience members who listen, This
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  Speaker 4: is not for your disease, This is not for your
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  Speaker 4: PLU because you guys already know you can just tune
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  Speaker 4: me out for a second. But for everybody else, I
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  Speaker 4: want to talk about. Expedition planning is kind of what
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  Speaker 4: I'm calling it, and the sort of a big departure
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  Speaker 4: in Altered from other card games is the concept of permanence, right,
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  Speaker 4: and how that ties into your expedition planning day to day.
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  Speaker 4: So almost every card game on the market, you're going
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  Speaker 4: to find exceptions, but almost all of them. When you
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  Speaker 4: play a card to your board, it's there until your
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  Speaker 4: opponent interacts with right, it's you're gonna spend resources, and
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  Speaker 4: then you're gonna You're gonna play it, and it's gonna
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  Speaker 4: contribute to your board state, and it's gonna continue to
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  Speaker 4: do so until they remove it or until you do
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  Speaker 4: something to remove it. It's not just gonna go away
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  Speaker 4: on its own. Altered is fundamentally different outside of Waru
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  Speaker 4: and and the green decks and some of the pink decks,
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  Speaker 4: when when you play a thing each each turn, you're
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  Speaker 4: going to benefit from what that thing does for that turn.
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  Speaker 4: Each each I say should shouldn't say turn, I should
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  Speaker 4: say round, each round and Altered is like a is
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  Speaker 4: a mini game. Right in Magic the Gathering, you're slowly
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  Speaker 4: chipping away at the opponent's hit points right like It's
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  Speaker 4: It's a drawn out fight over the course of many
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  Speaker 4: rounds where you're always taking what steps you can to
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  Speaker 4: minimize their board and eat away at their life, so
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  Speaker 4: eventually you get it to zero and you win. And
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  Speaker 4: Altered every single round you're competing in a new tug
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  Speaker 4: of war game to try to get your expedition to
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  Speaker 4: move forward.
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  Speaker 2: One Oh, I like the tug part of that. That's
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  Speaker 2: so good.
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  Speaker 4: So what I've seen and what I've started to notice
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  Speaker 4: as I play into sort of I live on the
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  Speaker 4: lower end of the yellow spectrum compared to some of
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  Speaker 4: the folks that are with us tonight, So I spend
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  Speaker 4: my time playing down there, and then I in tournaments
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  Speaker 4: wind up playing too much higher ELO and watching footage
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  Speaker 4: of much higher ELO players. And a key sort of
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  Speaker 4: difference between those players that stuck out to me this
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  Speaker 4: week is how they approach that aspect of altered what
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  Speaker 4: I find. And I'm gonna I'm gonna use Pluca and
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  Speaker 4: Sylvain and like our our big time Waru players as
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  Speaker 4: my example of what the what the high level people
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  Speaker 4: are doing. I think because they play Waru, they're sort
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  Speaker 4: of they get the edge on being trained to behave
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  Speaker 4: a certain way because war Wu lets them bring in
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  Speaker 4: some of that other card game experience, right like you
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  Speaker 4: can't actually build a board, and you can lean into
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  Speaker 4: playing things that they're going to affect your next turn,
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  Speaker 4: not just this turn, which means their formula is slightly different,
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  Speaker 4: but even them if you watch, if you watch some
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  Speaker 4: Pluca replays or some Sylvane replays, I've seen z do
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  Speaker 4: it Zach. I haven't gotten to watch play as much recently,
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  Speaker 4: but I'll I'd be willing to bet if you go
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  Speaker 4: and find his replays. He's doing it too. They're watching
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  Speaker 4: what their opponent is doing from the start of the round,
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  Speaker 4: and you can see the moment when they realize, no
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  Speaker 4: matter how many cards they have in hand, no matter
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  Speaker 4: what they haven't reserve that if they continue to contribute
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  Speaker 4: to this rounds tug of war, they're not going to
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  Speaker 4: move the ribbon right. They can't bring it back. What
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  Speaker 4: a player at my level will do is they will
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  Speaker 4: continue to play cards. They will just continue to play
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  Speaker 4: cards well past the moment where they should have been
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  Speaker 4: able to read the board state and say, okay, I can't,
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  Speaker 4: I can't pull this back my direction. They'll a high
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  Speaker 4: level ELO player will bait out, splitting your energy across
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  Speaker 4: both sides of the tuggle war instead of focusing on
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  Speaker 4: one expedition or the other. And then as soon as
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  Speaker 4: you fall for it, they'll spring the trap right and
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  Speaker 4: they will make you waste those resources. They'll bait out
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  Speaker 4: more than you should have played, and then they'll just
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  Speaker 4: back off because they know you don't throw good money
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  Speaker 4: after bad players like me and the people that are
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  Speaker 4: playing down in my end of the pool. It takes
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  Speaker 4: us longer to see that and So for today's why
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  Speaker 4: I suck it altered? What I want to like really
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  Speaker 4: drive home and get people to start thinking about is
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  Speaker 4: each and every noon. Right when you're making your decisions
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  Speaker 4: about where you're gonna put your tokens, when you're looking
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  Speaker 4: at what's in the other guy's reserve, when you're looking
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  Speaker 4: at your hand and you're making your man of decisions
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  Speaker 4: and everything else, take a minute, right, bj is gonna
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  Speaker 4: give you plenty of time that your feeling is going
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  Speaker 4: to be to rush through this right because everybody plays
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  Speaker 4: really fast on BGA, you're gonna feel pressure to like
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  Speaker 4: to click that button and get on the move. But
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  Speaker 4: just take a minute. Look at the numbers right, look
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  Speaker 4: at the expedition spacing. See if there's a place where
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  Speaker 4: you feel confident with what you have in your hand
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  Speaker 4: and on the board and knowing what your opponent can
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  Speaker 4: do even if you don't have like one hundred percent
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  Speaker 4: knowledge on their hand. Decide then if it's a turn
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  Speaker 4: that you're like tooth and nail fighting for, if you
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  Speaker 4: feel like you need to be the player that's going
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  Speaker 4: to bail out extra resources from your opponent, and then
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  Speaker 4: just take a turn off, take a setup turn, play
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  Speaker 4: your meadow, play your carrier, play your haven, do whatever
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  Speaker 4: you need to do. But don't give it to them
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  Speaker 4: for free either, right, because that's equally bad. If you
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  Speaker 4: just slam whatever it is that you're going to do
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  Speaker 4: for your build up right away, then your opponent now
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  Speaker 4: gets free rein to save their resources.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I was gonna say they could react to that, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So it's it's I'm not saying it's easy, right, that's
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  Speaker 4: we're all here to learn and get better, and it's
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  Speaker 4: it's I'm right there with you people, like it's gonna
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  Speaker 4: take a time, but please, please, please, when you look
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  Speaker 4: and you see in the reserve that they've got two
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  Speaker 4: cards over there, and then you look in your hand
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  Speaker 4: and all of their numbers are bigger than all of
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  Speaker 4: your numbers, yep, don't play the card. Wait until your
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  Speaker 4: next turn, wait until your circumstances change, give yourself the
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  Speaker 4: out right. Because resources are huge, they're huge.
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  Speaker 2: You, they are valuable.
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  Speaker 3: You have to learn like.
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  Speaker 4: When to commit and when not to commit, because even
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  Speaker 4: though it sometimes doesn't feel like it, because as you
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  Speaker 4: watch your expeditions get further and further away from theirs,
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  Speaker 4: you can absolutely still pull it back if you get
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  Speaker 4: ahead on the resource game, right, they may be three
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  Speaker 4: spaces away and you may be five spaces away. But
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  Speaker 4: if you're killing them on hand advantage, you've got plenty
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  Speaker 4: in your reserve. You've got the tools that you need
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  Speaker 4: in the late game. If they were burning hot to
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  Speaker 4: get to that point where they are ahead of you,
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  Speaker 4: now's your chance, right. But if you're just wasting your
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  Speaker 4: resources in a fight that you were never going to
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  Speaker 4: win in the first place, you don't get the opportunity
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  Speaker 4: to make that comeback. So just take a minute, plan
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  Speaker 4: out your day, plan your day, look at your numbers.
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  Speaker 4: If you're playing Into Warrior, don't count your all your
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  Speaker 4: cards right because he's going to play the robin hood
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  Speaker 4: every time and you're not going to get to play everything.
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  Speaker 4: So add the one to the cost, look at what
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  Speaker 4: you can commit, and then start clicking buttons. I guarantee
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  Speaker 4: you if you take that extra time up front, you
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  Speaker 4: will start winning more games.
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  Speaker 5: Then you'll get yeah, very very good advice. But there
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  Speaker 5: is one addendum to that, and that's sometimes I just
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  Speaker 5: don't want to do math.
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  Speaker 4: And you know I am don't play in arena on
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  Speaker 4: those days.
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  Speaker 5: I am fine tanking my elo a little bit. It's
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  Speaker 5: all just internet points right now. If I don't want
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  Speaker 5: to do math for a game.
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  Speaker 2: But Oul is going to take care of her next
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  Speaker 2: week's why I suck it altered? It is for the
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  Speaker 2: math episode if the youngest young one. OK.
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  Speaker 3: I found that interesting that you said, like taking another
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  Speaker 3: card experience, because like with certain factions with certainly here
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  Speaker 3: is like Waru, like Tasia or some of the Mooda
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  Speaker 3: ones where they get anchored or asleep right like you
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  Speaker 3: are building a board for next turn. And that was
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  Speaker 3: kind of interesting that you said that, Like that was
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  Speaker 3: a those well put, well put.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you. I've been thinking about it a
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  Speaker 4: lot because I, like all of us, I'm trying to
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  Speaker 4: figure out how do I play this game and and
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  Speaker 4: how do I It became like glaringly obvious of the
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  Speaker 4: course of the last Uh uh, why did I just
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  Speaker 4: forget the name of our tournament? What's our tournament called?
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  Speaker 3: Eight?
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  Speaker 4: The last Ace? Watching other people play and playing myself,
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  Speaker 4: like when I say I got decimated, it's not a
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  Speaker 4: strong enough phrase, and uh it really like I spent
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  Speaker 4: a lot of time just thinking about my play and
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  Speaker 4: what I did and what I should have done, could
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  Speaker 4: have done. And then I spent the rest of that
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  Speaker 4: tournament and some time after watching other footage just to
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  Speaker 4: see like okay, where, yeah they're playing war whatever, Right,
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  Speaker 4: they're still doing things that I wasn't doing that could
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  Speaker 4: have given me that little extra I needed. Right, Maybe
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  Speaker 4: maybe I still don't take it at the end of
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  Speaker 4: the day, but it doesn't matter, because I still need
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  Speaker 4: to try to get better wherever I can, to close
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  Speaker 4: that gap a little bit so that when there are
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  Speaker 4: those openings to exploit, I can see them, recognize them,
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  Speaker 4: and take advantage of them.
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  Speaker 3: Well.
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  Speaker 2: And the fact that you can watch people's replays the
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  Speaker 2: way you can. Yes, it's annoying to click through that,
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  Speaker 2: but like that is literally gold as far as the
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  Speaker 2: amount you can improve, especially if you go back and
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: watch your own games, like just watching the games that
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: you lost over close there's something in that game that
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: probably you did wrong, and just being able to learn
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: from your mistakes, like that's actually like a really really
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: cool thing.
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: The only learning auto play as well, like how lessons
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: after class because I got you, I got I haven't
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: figured that out, yep.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: I'm good say. The only thing that I don't like
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: about the replays is that you can't see what the
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: hands are and so you can't see exactly all the
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: thought processes that are going through, like in why is
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: this player playing this card as opposed to what else
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: did they have in their hand? Right, So, like, yes,
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: it is a very good learning experience, like you said,
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: especially your own match di Z, But there is still
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: that missing aspect I think as far as the replays
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: are concerned to see the full picture. But granted, yeah
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: you can. You can see what you can.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: You can go through each player's perspective and that way
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: you can see both hands. But I mean, obviously it'd
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: be better if you could just from a from a
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: studying the game perspective, if I could just say, hey,
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: I want a full view, I want a full table view.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: I want to know what each of these players was
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: thinking when they committed these resources. Yeah, that'd be that'd
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: be incredible.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: Another great thing you said was just kind of how
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: people play on BGA, and you know, it's a lot
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: quicker and I think there is a different mentality on
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: BGA right now. So I'm kind of interested when we
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: get to go to more in person tournaments how we
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: see the play being a little different. I will I
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: get my ass kicked repeatedly an arena, but I do
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: find in person.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's some of that too. People perform differently when
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: they're in front of other people, just period, like any
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: game I've ever played. Ever, there's a difference between how
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: people do in a digital environment where they're not like
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: face to face looking at somebody and interacting with them,
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: which sounds silly, right, like the cards don't change, the
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: decks don't change, But there is that element of I
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: don't want to say, reading a person right because like
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: in these kinds of games, they're going to make the
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: decision they're going to make, but a little bit right,
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: like when they're sitting on that big hand and you
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: can kind of see him over there like okay, he
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: he definitely has the charge and he's waiting to play it.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna let him have this one. I'm gonna come
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: in next turn. Like there's there's a little bit of
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: that to contend with. I will say, Uh, playing Into
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: the Disease live and in person, the speed of play
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: not much different versus on on BGA. They they're moving.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: I yeah, well, i I'm gonna get there I'm eventually right,
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: that's what they say.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does take. I mean it takes lots of gameplay.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a little bit of not advice,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: but a little a little light at the end of
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: the tunnel. There's a player that I've played with for many, many,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: many years, about five of them now, talking about a
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: guy who is at the bottom end of every bracket,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: couldn't figure out why things weren't quite going his way
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: a lot of the time. And he's the reason Arkhan's
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: corner exists. He's gonna flat out and say it, Hi Jr.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: He's not one of your top players, Like it took
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: five years, but he's there, right like, consistently finishing in
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: the top in top brackets, consistently getting to top eight.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: It's consistently getting there. This is not a magic game.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: This is a very different game from a lot of
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: games out a lot of card games out there, right Like,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: it's it's more of a race as opposed to a fight.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people who want to do
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: the opposite because that's where magic has trained us to do.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: That.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Keep you at it, you'll get in there, kid.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: I like to hear ye, but what are we going
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: me feel?
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Young?
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Hey? You know, if I can give the pep talk,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: you know, I'll give the pep talk. I'm a good
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: pep talker. That's about it. After this, and it's all
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: downhill from there on.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Usually I get pretty depressed when you talk, but that's
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: so usually.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: This is a new age man.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: This is the new Wookie.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: This is the new.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: The hip and the up and coming Wookie because not hip. Well,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm hipper than most. I'm gonna say that
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: right off the bat.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: There you go.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: I know, hopefully on this show when I make my
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: pop culture references, someone will get it. I'm not holding
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: my breath, but there's the hope, you know.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: See, this is what happens when you're in a loving
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: family and a loving relationship, right, Like I get appreciated
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: by the people.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and the chuckles they're real, I swear.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: Anyway, I'm immediately remind I did of of the moment
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: that we had with Dexter two or three weeks ago
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: or whatever, with the whole Napoleon Dynamite conversation, when I
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: was I had to come face to face with my
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: mortality yet again, Like.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: What the fact that he looks exactly like Napoleon Dynamite had.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: He had no idea.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: It was like, why do I look like this person?
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: It?
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: Listen, I'm not even like I'm not the guy that's
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: watched Napoleon Dynamite a hundred times. Right, I didn't know
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: what it is. I've seen it. I laughed a little bit,
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: but it's not like my movie. But I know what
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: it is, right, Yeah, having somebody say what is that? It?
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: It was, This is going to happen a lot. I
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: realized that, Like, it's part of getting older is you
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: have to get used to kids thinking that you're ridiculous.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: You don't know anything, but like man.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Education and there are kids that don't know what the
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: matrix is? How does that feel?
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Well? When you when you get to two Dexter's right
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: like and old, So like, I'm not letting it go.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: Dex to Dexter will be a unit of measurement in
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: this channel period, Like.
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: All right, is more Dexters than freaking the other movie.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that is kind of true. It depends on
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: which matrix you're going from. However, we need to get
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: to deck construction and here, what are we doing on
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: our top bottom heroes.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: He so we're a little well, we had a lot
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: to talk about this really some cool stuff that happened
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: last week, So I was gonna do top and bottom
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: hero and each house. From my perspective, again, the game
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: is super new, so there are some things that can change.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying like I'm an throwy in this.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: But first of all, this is one of the segments
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: we talked about we have each week. So for the future,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be talking about some stuff like picking your
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: hero initially when you're making you're making your deck, identifying
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: like their goals of that hero when you're making it.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about the importance of just having removal in
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: your decks. I'll have a whole whole thing about commons
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: and rare choices, because a lot of what is going
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: to be in the deck building, like unique or uniques
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: if you find them great, if you don't have them,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: you can still make a good deck without them, So
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: common and rare choice is basically the whole nuts of
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: deck construction. And then at some point I'm gonna get
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: into unique hunting and like what that means. After I
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: talked about the rest of that. But for today because
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: it's quick and easy, and it's kind of like a
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: like a out there information because we've seen a lot
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: of stuff happen in the in the Elo and the Arena.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna talk about what I view as the top
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: hero for each house right now. The first off, I'm
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: just going to now with a Axiom Brown. I've got
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: traced as their top hero in my opinion, my view,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: by quite a bit, and I just really like.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: How it's just really quick. For those people who don't
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: know how many heroes are in each faction.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: There are three heroes right now and each faction, it
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: looks like we're just gonna have those three heroes for
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: quite a while. In the A M A. I think
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: they talked about that well, but we'll cover that in
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: a little bit. But right now they're eighteen totals heroes
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: three Perfection in Bravos Red Faction, I have my top hero.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: It was actually pretty close for this one, but I
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: do have my top hero as Kojo. I just really
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: like the having the little fire dog every other turn,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: especially if you.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Is it a We discussed that last week, and you
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: still a dog.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Is a fire dog. It's forever going to be a
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: fire dog.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: It's it's a cat.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: How do you mistake this.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: For a dog? Again? Remember he talked last week about
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: the art from that sorry going to be a dog.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: I'm actually watching the game with one in it right now,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: watching belts Our play, But uh yeah, sure whatever whatever.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: The fire dog on every other turn and and just
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: having that extra body on the board is actually way
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: more important to me than the boost effect that the
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: other hero that's actually pretty close too, so I've I've
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: leaned heavily into him being the top hero for Bravos.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Then we have Lyra Orlero, depending on how y'all want
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: to say that. From the Pink House, I have Finn
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: as their top hero by like a large ass gap.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: It's like Fin's way up here. And then there's the
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: other two and one of those is actually the basement
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: hero of the whole set, which we'll talk about some
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: more the time. From Muna, I kind of the same thing,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: but not with the same reward. I have Tasia as
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: the top hero, Like it's pretty much a guaranteed plus
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: every round, especially with the whole anchor thing there that's
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: just really really good in theory. Ortis I have the
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: top heroes. Who do you think I have a.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: Top hero as a surely it'schol ring and toxic.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Good gil rang is the only way to No, it's
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: it's obviously or top Here for Blue is mares where
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: we can talk guys. So like, I'm torn because like
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: I personally have a Faunas as the top, but Lindue
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: has done pretty well, but I have no experience playing it.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: What are your thoughts here? Because I have a Faunas
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: there that's the spell slinger. Lots of fun things you
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: can do with that.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: But I'm gonna say plane with my reward deck. A
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: couple weeks ago, I ran into one or two really
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: good to Finance and Arina, and it like it smoked.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: It beat the brakes off me. It beat me so bad,
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: like I was stunned, and its like I would put
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: that by if it's a good deck, right and obviously,
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: like we're talking just about like a good decks at
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: this point. I haven't seen too many Lindawe's or Lindue
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: or whatever, but like the finest I would definitely put that.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the sacrifice, So so I think it's something
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: that we should probably mention here. Somebody's gonna step on
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: me as soon as I say this, but I feel
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: like of the ISMIR heroes, because of their cardpool and
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: because of sort of how the tournament environment has been going,
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: they're the only faction in the game right now where
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: I think it might be a toss up between the
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: three of them.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: That was going to be my final concrudle. I also
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: do top to bottom and like their differences, but I
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: don't want to spend all that time. But I do
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: think ISMIR has by far the best as far as
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: if you want to talk about card game design. Their
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: three heroes are all very uniquely different. They have very
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: different roles, and I think they are by far the
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: most competitively balanced among the three.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think easily I can see a good player
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: on any of these giving people a hard time, like
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: the cardpool might not be yet to give them the
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: tools they really need to to cut through some of
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: what we're seeing like at the very tippy top, but
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: they're getting right up there next to it right like
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: there's not that much sacrifice support. And we had at
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: at the large French tournament. Yeah, we had a Lindo
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: Way make it all the way up there through a
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: field of killers, so like there's there's some sauce there
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: that that still needs explored.
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: And also that's a testament to the player that play
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: well and uniques.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Like that's one of the things. That's why I kind
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: of have unique hunting in the deck construction area that
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: we'll talk about eventually. The uniques made lind a way there,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: so there are some decks by design that you are
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: going to need, like to actually hunting for the uniques
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: if you wanted to fire at the highest level. And
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: I think I think that's where I have Lindy right now.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: But I still I personally lean toward a fauness. If
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: if Robin Hood wasn't a bureaucrat, I think a funness
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: would be a regular discussed top option. But you can't
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: spell slang when your stuff costs double because you're trying
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: to spend one.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he gets hurt pretty hard in the current environment.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: But I think I'm with you. I think if if
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: you forced me to choose one, it would be him today.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is interesting, like not to steal later, We're
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: gonna discuss this more. But like from that big large
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: French tournament, the Afanas and Senka was the more favored
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: is mere hero, with Lindaway and Ma being at least
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: favored by like almost you know, third, So it kind
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: of goes with what we're thinking too as far as
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: like how many players play that.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: So I think Lindy is also like when you talk
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: about a hard hero to play well, the resource decisions
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: to do yea hero justice are crazy.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Because it's super weird and like what you're doing you
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: have to really think about like what is on the
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: board and not on the board at different times. It's
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: it's an interesting hero to navigate.
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: I think Misha is underrated or undervalued by new players.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: A lot of them when they first get into the
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: game don't really understand why you would want the after
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: you ability. But watching someone understand that when they get
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: to know their game more and use it often it
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: is it is very useful, especially because you don't have
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: to do it right away.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Yep is another thing. One of my favorite Yeah, one
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: of my favorite things is the spycraft of their reserve.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Then next turn after you it's a heck, yeah, it's
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: such a prick move. It's like, Okay, then you're gonna
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: have no mana that I'm gonna take whatever lane I
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: want lakesha Is is pretty viable. Yeah, it's real close
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: to the other.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: We fell all the way off down the thesmir rabbit
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: hole there.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's fun to talk about. And that's the main
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: reason why I would decid just to the top house.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: So and then right now, I do have my with
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: our eighteen heroes. I do have a clear number one
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: hero at the moment in the curtain environment, which may change,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: which we'll talk about shortly. I have that Ashuaru hands down.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Zach and me track every game we play as far
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: as our little tracking sheet. When we were playing against people.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: Hold on, I have to I have to interrupt you
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: for just a second. I can't believe that you just
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: completely left Axiom off the.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: List I started with He started with Axiom. No, I
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: think you just like blanked out there for about thirty seconds.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: I even said brown like apologies for everything.
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: Then I'm cries glossed over when we heard fire Dog again.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I thought we started this conversation in red.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: I'm the crazy one.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: But yeah, Zach and meet track all of our games
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: in our little thing. It's super manual club style. We
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: type you plitter one, two, three, whatever, and at the
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: moment the only deck and I play all kinds of decks,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: so I play all kinds of heroes, most of the
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: ones we named in the top I've played every single
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: one of those heroes. And the only only match up
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: we have where we have a like a losing win
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: percentage against is Warrow. We've only won thirty three percent
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: of our games against opposing Warrows. And that's me playing
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: all all of these decks. Everyone else we have a
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: positive win record, and there are many heroes that have
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: never beat us. That's a shout out to you, Gibbles
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: and probably whatever argin Venka.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: There's a bunch.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: Has beat the Orion.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Well that just Worrow traces least one game somewhere.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that's fair.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: But yes, yes, Warrow we have is the number one
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: hero in the current meadow, which is why our metal
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: laner is playing Warrow at the moment. So that wraps
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: up my decastract talk this week. I might put a
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: pull at some point as far as what we would
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: go into next week, but I think I'm leaning towards
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: like breaking down the commons and rares and like how
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: to go first building the deck and then just choosing
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: of action and looking at those.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Or you could do what I'm doing and net deck
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: people like this are a menace to decent society.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: Are you ready for something new and high?
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: You're in that corner.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: Here we go, So he phrased it, and he said,
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: you know the design team, and I believe he reiterated
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: that he felt that way as well. They called Robin
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: Hood a little bit of a design mistake. Specifically, didn't
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: say a complete and total failure of design, didn't say
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: any of the like lots of hyperbole he's been slung
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: around lately, But I'd say it was a little bit
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: of a failure in design. And I think specifically said
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: that they had been watching. They wanted to see what
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: was gonna happen in the big tournament so that they
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: could get some more sort of impressions as to what
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: was going on. But as you can imagine at an AMA,
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: immediately everybody asked, you know, what are you gonna do
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: about it?
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: What's to do this?
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: You can remove your crat or you can whatever. And
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: all that he would say is that he felt fairly
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: sure sure that the designers already had an idea of
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: what they might like to do, but that they still
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: weren't committed to anything, but that that wasn't a thing
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: that he could comment on because frankly, it just wasn't
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: in his.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Wheelhouse when they mentioned that they were to pay closer
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: to the big event that was about to come, which
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: is now the time of hearing this has already happened.
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: So no, yeah, And I think a good note about
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: what he said specifically is that robin Hood makes it
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: no fun or other players and and that is a
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: big issue. So I mean you, the AMA is still
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: on the altered YouTube if you want to go watch.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: Please please do.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: Don't take anything that we say is gospel question for yourself.
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: I'm in the camp that I think is going to
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: be changed, And that was as close to a confirmation
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: of changes coming to Robinhood as as you're going to
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: get they decide.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: I am in the camp that they are going to
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: drop bureaucraft from ramin Hood. It's a digital it's a
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: digital game, so you can order new copies that won't
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: say that word, they can say some other word. I
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: think that is the cleanest change and would immediately make
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: it so they are much more evenly competitive fields out there,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: and WAAW would still be a top deck. It would
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: still be in that number of top decks.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: It just wouldn't feel a little bit.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: It just wouldn't be auto beating traced.
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: Like I.
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: Don't I don't think, I feel I'm not even willing
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: to venture a guess as to what they are going
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: to do because, frankly, like we're in uncharted territory in
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: terms of what their what their powers are here, there's
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: just a lot of flexibility with how they could approach
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: a change here. One thing that we've seen a lot
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: is people speculating like, oh, well, we know, you know,
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: the next set's coming in January, maybe there's something in there,
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: And I just I want to say it again, that
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: set was already designed, complete and like going through final
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: checklist items so that it could be printed and do
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: everything that it needs to do well before. I think
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: they were fully aware of how yeah large the issue.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: There's nothing in it that's going to solve this prop
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: I think the.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Whole figital part actually makes it much easier to change
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: and address a errata more than any other game that's
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: ever existed, because like bga's cards, the cards in your
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: deck manager and everything that you order the print off
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: to demand, which we all hope out to be soon
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: ish can immediately have the changes there, right, like.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and yeah, So it's something big. I haven't seen
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: anybody talk about it, and it obviously it's it's it
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: can be. How do I phrase this? There is a
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: card game that exists, and I don't want to go
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: like people feel strongly about it, So I don't want
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: to go like too off the deep end on it
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: or anything. But one of the really cool things that
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: I think that they did that I had never seen
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: in a card game before is that when they hit
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: a couple of unhealthy metas an experiment that they decided
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: to do to try to fix it to like basically
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: just increase representation, right yeah, they released a digital only
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: card that all of their players could print and proxy
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: in legal tournament decklists that directly addressed whatever the meta
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: issue was. So they gave themselves the ability to insert
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: single like yeah, one to five cards whatever that they
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: could give access to all their players that they then
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: allowed them to proxy and bring two events to try
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: to like increase health and it worked. To the extent
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: of it worked can be debated, I guess, but it
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: worked representation increased altered, in my opinion, is an environment
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: where they could nail that right as soon as print
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: and play exists. I don't think they're ever going to
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: allow proxies at tournaments because there's a slippery slope with
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: how the rest of the game works. But whatever, the
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: ability to create a single card here or there and
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: inject it into live play is so much easier for
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: them than for anybody else that's on the market. Well
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: they do it. I don't know. There's only one card
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: game in existence that I've ever heard about doing it,
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: so probably not. But it's a thing they could do
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: that other people can't, and I think that's awesome.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: They have a lot of options that no one else
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: has ever had.
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so wait for the announcement. Something will be coming.
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: I'm sure the AMA. I guess there was more to
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: the AMA than just the Robin hood. I'll try to
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: just quickly come off the top with what I remember.
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: They will be a unpack so unplugged. I tried to
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: get some in fought of Loki about what the events
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: would be, and he's very good at being like his namesake,
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: just confirmed that it'll be a lot of fun. No
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: word on what kind of events, but the Altar team
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: usually does something really unique and awesome. At the Angers
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: or Angers they were doing or Ludo Trotter wherever it was,
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: they were doing Boss Battle. I know they're doing that
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: tomorrow at the GG tournament. They're doing the Boss Battle
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: and then some other stuff. Loki's favorite card from the
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: new set was the Ice Queen, which isn't a card
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: that's revealed, but that's all the information they would give me.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: And I knew Elsa was going to be in this set.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: I gotta have Elsa Ogre. Was there anything else? I
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: mean a lot of it was just stuff that I
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: kind of already knew and is kind of already out there,
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: So I'm not sure.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of the conversation was dominated
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: by war and Robin Hood talk, big tournament talk, talking
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: about it's sort of actually, I'm about to say this,
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: I can't remember the new set was already announced before them, right,
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: like they specifically discussed Yeah, because milk kept being discussed,
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: so some of that was talked about I And that's
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: kind of it.
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: Like there were some technical issues, so it kind of
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: like it dropped out in the middle.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So if you're if you're looking for it, it's
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: broken into t on their YouTube, but you can go
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: watch it. It's super quick watch. You'll learn some good stuff.
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: As for the tournament, I was just gonna read real
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: quick the breakdown and the interesting part to me, and
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: then Opequally, Zach and Ze talk about the actual nerdy
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: stuff about that because I'm not as smart with meta
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: as then the uh graft that they put out and
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: the tournament breakdown on the alter dot gg website is amazing.
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: The really big takeaway for me as a Muna player
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: was the fact that Asia was the most played hero
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: in the entire tournament at eighteen point six percent, but
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: when you scroll down to the top one twenty eight,
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: she drops down to nine point four percent in the
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: top one twenty eight. And to give you perspective, overall,
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: Mario and Mac were seven point top one twenty eight. Uh,
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: they jump up to eighteen point eight percent, Sigismark jumps
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: up to thirty percent, and then there's some other stuff
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: in there that you can see.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: But yeah, the the main story was the final was
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: Waru versus Warriu and the top had eight waus out
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: of sixteen. Is that correct, Yes, So what what what
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: are your what are your thoughts? One thing I will
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: say that coming from a competitive like video game world, personally,
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: different countries usually play games differently, and I don't know
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: if that's the same with pcgs. I'm a little newer
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: in the competitive side of that, but I'm wondering if
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: there will be a different meta that will start to
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: shape up here in North America compared to what we
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: just saw in France.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Almost assuredly, well yeah, you guys, there'll be more wars here.
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: Oh oh no, real quick before we roll into Warutown.
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: From like our number of people, I do think we should.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: It bears discussing that, like it surprised the heck out
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: of me. Tasha had nearly twenty percent of the field
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: and had zero conversion into the top sixteen team.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: That didn't surprise me, but that was from personal experience.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: The highest Muna placed and I think it was it
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: written or was it Tasia was thirty third. That was
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: the highest unless that was Bravos, but.
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: Thirty third, so they broke into the top thirty six,
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: but like.
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: It was the lowest place.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Even the top twenty eight is low. Like there was
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: only nine percent of the h What add this together,
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: it's ten point two percent Green in the top one
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: twenty eight out of coming in in twenty percent, So
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: half of them were straight up eliminated before the dowe
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: to twenty eight. Cut.
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: Yep, that's crazy, I mean because I've obviously like it
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: is a little bit more of a inconsistent deck. But
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: I have played some scary anchor decks from French players
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: like n BGA before I like tanked my my elite
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: rating and fell way down because.
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: You don't play Ortis, so they're scary to you.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Well, like on the flip side of this, if you're
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: gonna talk to numbers of like conversion, right, like Ortis
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: as a house Blue Blue entered at twenty six point
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: three percent of the tournament. And again, this tournament had
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: a thousand players. I know some of our old game
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: folks will be listening to the one thousand players against this.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: What started as a pop up event in France grew
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: to it to be one thousand people. But so Ortis
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: has the twenty six percent entering the tournament top twenty
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: eight if I add all this stuff up, was fifty
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: percent Ortis. So I'll say, when we're just twenty six
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: percent of the total entering fifty percent of the top
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: twenty eight, that is insane conversion ratio. And then half
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: well there eight Waru was in the top eight, and
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: then there was one city I think there was no
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: gold ring. Yeah, two two Sigies, So ten out of
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: sixteen of the top sixteen were also ortis. Ortis stood
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: up in a big way the I when you're saying
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: like a difference between like North American style versus like Europe,
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: I think the exact same thing would kind of happen.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: It's just just in the US players, the constructor's more
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: more meta driven, right, So I actually going into this
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: event from a person spectator, I was expecting to see
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: way more WAU into the event initially than did because
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: if this was like like in US card gaming, it's
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: pretty much the standard for all constructed games. So like
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: there's a whole bunch of people that are chasing the
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: actual meta. Someone is chasing whatever they think beats that,
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: and then everyone else is playing for fun, and that's
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: normally like twenty most Yeah, I.
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: Think in North America, though, we're gonna see a underdog.
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: Maybe in FEN, I think we have a lot.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Of FEN players, a lot of people who love Fenn well,
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: and that's the that's the thing that that's the antimate
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: I was talking about. So like I would expect like
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: these numbers to kind of be like crazy switch, like
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: if this was a US event hitting in one thousand,
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: like I think the Waru and Mac percentage would be
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: twenty percent and the Tasia would be seven versus like
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: what it is here.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to talk again and we'll see how
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: this goes. Like my internet kind of just took a dive,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: but I got most of what we recorded or what
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: you guys recorded, so hopefully comes out. I'll do a
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: little I'll do a little magic, and we'll see what happens.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: But typically, so I've played card games a long, long,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: long and long, long, long long long time, right Like
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: I'm a card game player. I started way back when
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: with Star Wars CCG. If any of you guys remember
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: that most of you should have some behind me right now,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: that's that's where I started. I think I was like
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: seven or eight years old. Typically, what happens between so Europe,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: and don't take this the wrong way. If there's out
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: of Europeans out there. I know there's quite a number
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: of you.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: There's plenty.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: Up tends to be more fun driven, where the US
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: tends to be more meta and cutthroat.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: Driven.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: So if you're telling me Waru's at the top of
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: the top of the top, right like he's he's he's
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: at the top of the hill, you're going to see
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: a bucket of it, yep. Because people are gonna come
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: there and they're gonna come to win name They're not
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: coming to have a good time and maybe go have
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: some beers afterwards they're there.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: I disagree with part of that. I think there's just
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: more people that tie having a good time with winning
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: a bunch of games in in our culture here.
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's kind that Yeah makes sense, and
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: it does really. I was at the Star Wars PQ
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: and it was a ton of a ton of meta
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: in the in the top, So I mean those those
• 51:57
  Speaker 5: people were there to win and we're very serious.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: So that checks out. Yeah, well, and that's what we saw.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Key Ford just you can't make theory decks and keyboards,
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: but the key Ford was the same kind of thing,
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: like whatever was winning the most games, that's the type
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: of decks you saw at every event, you just didn't
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: get to make your deck.
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: One thing that I think is very interesting about that,
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: right up until now, we haven't really seen a card
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: game a lot of like the when we look at
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: like how a European meta, an Asian meta, the US
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: meta for these different card games across history. Most of
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: the time, in my experience, these card games are US
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: exports or they're Asian exports.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: I can't recall a huge European TCG ever, I'm sure
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: there is one. It's just not one. There's not something
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: that's come across my desk right in sane. I wonder
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: if we're going to see because this game is sort
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: of like their home field and so much of the
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: design team is from over there. I wonder if we're
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: going to see maybe a little bit of a different
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: a different level of interaction, like what you guys are
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: saying about how cutthroat the US meta is versus the
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: European meta. I got a quick answer for you. You ready, Yeah, no, Well, maybe.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: The unfortunate part is we're Americans. We take over everything,
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, we just do when it comes to
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: compet When it comes to competition, American number one.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: So at least we think we are.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna whatever whatever the meta this will be.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: And if it's anything the size of what it was France,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: right yeah, if it's anything of that side, but.
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: That all of like European engagement is huge, So I
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: think it started in France, but it's kind of a
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: wildfire over there. Yeah.
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So, uh, there is one American player in the
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: top ten in board game Arena, so right now America
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: is doing really bad.
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: As Wookie was saying that, in my head, I was thinking, like,
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: we need to put this man in front of Sylvain.
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: Sylvain's third. It's actually a German, but I've never seen
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: him play.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: Hold about a second, Hold, say, we do got to
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: give a shout out today. Right now, the number one
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: right in the world is maybe let's go Pluka.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's number one right now as we're talking.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: Yep, very nice.
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: Luca with nine nine points ahead of the Germans.
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: So I guess I guess he's what he's doing is
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: is he heard will be talking and he instantly cued
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: up like eight arena games so.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: That he can Yeah, he's playing on his computer on
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: three different screens. He's got three different cell phones. Like
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: he's beaten everybody with war whatever whatever it takes.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Right, he's like twenty like a secret war games going
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: I managed to queue up against someone with a very
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: similar name, just spelled differently.
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: It was a very good game.
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: I will just say they were not playing WARO. But
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: I still lost.
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: But it was a good game, was it?
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: P l O. Okay, I think that's still him.
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying anything. I'm just saying, Okay, I had
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: a good game with someone.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: That's the account, that's the test.
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: Account, that's his. Yeah, that's his not playing war turns
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: out that somebody that's that's really good is still gonna
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: beat you, whether they're on the top minute or not.
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: It was still horridois mind you? Yeah?
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Number one, are we ready to move into Are we
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: in the marketplace?
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gonna be real quick. So in the future
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: we do have someone that'll be doing this segment, so
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: we talk a little bit more about things you can
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: do where you can buy stuff. So this will be
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: that section of our cast. But today we're going to
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: introduce the quick search for just product costs, so people
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: know are aware, and we're going to see what an
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: altered display is. I'm literally typing this right now, are
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: so that it's just live in well live ish GCG.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: We're going to see how much they costs. I'm like
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: low end to high end. So right now, if I
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: wanted to buy a Kickstarter box, the prices ranged from
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: one fifty two to roughly two fifty. So that's what
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: we're seeing. A week ago, it was hard to get
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: them the one fifty, but there's a couple of places
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: that are selling them on sale and that's for us shipping.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: If I wanted a retail box right now, I'm seeing
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: a range of eighty five to ninety four. Eighty five, Yeah,
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: I actually don't know. The whole point of this is
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: that you can search this.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: Is that eighty five from Game Gamers.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: Guild YEP Gamers Guild, and I believe that is also
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: probably free shipping.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: Which which is crazy because ASMO day as MO days
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: beyond the gates, you know, non Kickstarter booster displays are
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: one right now, ye.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: So the retail is somewhere between eighty Oh wait a.
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: Second, I think I may be crazy, but I think
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: I remember reading somewhere that they were offering discounts at
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: the moment because they're getting they're trying to get lots
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: and lots of product out for the tournament that they've
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: got going on or heading that direction. Right This is
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: the same company product that is.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: You can buy them from Walmart for ninety four bucks.
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: Yep, I does Walmart have altered product?
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: Walmart allow this game is on fire.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: We Walmart also allows third party sellers on their website,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: Like you can't go to Walmart and pick up a
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: box altered. It's just like Amazon. I'll allow a third party.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: You know, it takes your chances, but you know, today
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: I learned a thing.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that is the market pulse of a sealed
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: product right now. So we're we're at a pretty good,
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: healthy range as far as getting things at a pretty
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: good entry price. I do think most of these prices
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: are going to go up at some point, especially for
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: the Kickstarter because the product there is going to start
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: to try up. A week ago, it was at like
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: two twenty two thirty, but now we're seeing some accessible ones.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: So if you want some Kickstarter product, I would buy
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: those one fifty two pretty fast. That's a really good price.
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: Technically, and we already know that, like our European friends
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: are suffering, like.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: They are buying if you can somehow ship it is
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: super expensive to ship to Europe, but if you can
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: somehow get it there, they are paying like two thirty
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: euro per box of Kickstarter products because they're out of everything.
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: That was one of the things they discussed in AMA
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: was that they were at least Asmodet was sold out
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: in France, Spain and another third country.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: I think so shocker asbade Under ordered on something weird.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: But we still got it here though, and that is
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: our market polls.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: All right, Moving into events. What can I play this week?
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: I got I got my I got my cart up right,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: I'm ready to hit by as soon as I talk
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: to you guys. What can I play?
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: In? So every Tuesday for the next couple of weeks
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: we have the Tuesday ACE Tournament going on. You can
• 59:59
  Speaker 5: hop in in pop out, you get points based on
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 5: just playing and for winning, and then in the fifth
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: week we're going to have a championship. We do have
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: prizing and last week I introduced the Bonus Star and
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 5: it's a riff off of you know, Mario Party, just
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 5: giving out a random prize for something stupid. The first
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: week was actually pretty cool. It was least used hero
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: that placed the highest.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: You did.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: You did work to find that information too, so good time, Bonya.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I have the next event decided. I won't
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: tell you what it is because I don't want you
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 5: to seek it out, but we will have that. And
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: then right after is a Wall which is on Wednesdays,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 5: hosted by a signmon over in the A Wall server.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: And we have a lot of life local events here
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: in Texas. The Altered Corner hosts a bunch of metro
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: areas for Texas, and if you join the discord and
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: look in the pins, we collect all of them. I
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: think we've got a good collection in just about every
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: major metro. DFW's getting up to like three or four
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: stores running events every week. I know you guys in
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 5: Houston are getting things really going than shout out Antonio. Yeah,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 5: oh yeah. Agis as well is a generous sponsor and
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: provider of prizing for the ACE tournament and also helping
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 5: with the local scene. And then in Austin and San
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: Antonio there are a couple things as well. So if
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: you want more information on that, join the discord then
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: before we talk the results real quick of ACE and
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: a Wall. I know people are looking for tournaments at
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: different times or different kinds of tournaments. If there is
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 5: a type of tournament you're interested in, just let me
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 5: know what and when and I can look at getting
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 5: set up. We tried to do a kind of wacky
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: one off with no artis and just not enough people
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: signed up. But I think in the future it would
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: be cool to do something off of the norm and
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: just kind of see how weird we can get. So
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: let me know what you want to see. And Zach
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: are you are you ready to.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: What do you think discuss the metes or well, what
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: do you what do you so?
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 5: I think, oh, we don't have enough data yet from ACE,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 5: but it is already looking interesting. So I'm really excited
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 5: on how it's going to start to look next week.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 5: But the winners for ACE this previous week, Sylvan was first,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: Luca was second, and then for a Wall Uh, Pluca
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: took the first in a Waru verse fin match against Jackman.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: I feel like we're hearing that Pluca name quite a bit.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, when you're when you're top of the leader board,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: you know, for.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: Second place. You're letting me go.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: First.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: The second and ACE, which was a match I was
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: about to say I watched that game. He played out
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: of his mind. That was just that those were two
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: titans clashing right.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: There taking second place.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: Though I had a shot, I was top four, I
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: couldn't finish.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: Wait a streak about has the streak continued over and altered?
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: Shut up?
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 5: There? There are analytics that Zach put together there and
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 5: everyone can see them if you guys want to take
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: a look at the ACE analytics. I did not paste
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 5: the aall ones in, but those exist out there if
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 5: you want to look up the all ones for anyone listening.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: Have we mentioned before we leave the event section? We
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: granted quite a bit about how awesome we all find
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: BGA last week, but I can't remember if we talked
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: about the tournament finder specifically mention it. Okay, So that's
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: if you're out there and you want to play in
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: a tournament and your stores haven't started up and everything else,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: go to BGA, scroll down and there's just a feed
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: of tournaments that are that people are running all the
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: time that you can just register for. You just hop
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: in and then you can do these things that we're
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: talking about with ace and with a wall. It's not
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: just us, right, Like, there are so many tournaments out
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: there being run that you can just hop into in
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: whatever time slot we're for you, on whatever day, and
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: if if there isn't one yet, make one people will
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: You'll have random people join, It'll be fine.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 5: There's actually one on October twenty sixth that already has
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 5: one hundred and forty five people.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: Shuah good wait.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: Time allotted to each player seven days.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: It's probably it's probably an a tournament.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: It's not real time. It's turn based.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: Yea, oh, that's weird for a tournament. I was gonna say,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 5: should we jump in.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: I'm not much of an a sync player myself, but
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: I do think it's awesome that that is a thing
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: that you can do. Yeah, that's yeah.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't really play anything any secretase. I
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: know it's on BGA and it's great and all that,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: but not.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: My not my bad. Five days later you finish one
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: match that yeah, yeah, but I think it's warm. You
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: think about like how long that would feel.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: I tried to do that in a Game of Thrones
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: board game a long time ago.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: I was like, nah, I can't.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: This is rough.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: It's not for you.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: No, no, like because by the time that your turn again,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: you're like, basically you have to dissect a board entirely
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: from new every time because it's a long time, which
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: that would be easy and altered of course, because it's
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: just just a glance at the Tug of War match,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: You're like, oh, I need to play this card, but
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: well not play this card as we discussed earlier.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: Circle. Yeah, you mentioned Tug of War two. I think
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: that's going to stick with you.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: Mm hm Oh it's good. It's good analogy, very spot off.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the stats, was there anything that jumped out to you,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 5: Zach that you wanted to mention you took You took
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 5: the time to set it all up today and make
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 5: some colorful I have not.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: Shared and those those colors came automatic with Google shades,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: so I didn't do anything with that. But uh, I
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: mean nothing, nothing overly surprising, right, like the at least
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: as far as like our thirty eight competitors that actually
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: showed up. You know, we had top players or excuse me,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: top showing Nope, there's like, yes, there's some super players though.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 7: I mean yeah, no, I mean there are, Well, No,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 7: there's something super surprising because we literally just talked about
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 7: the North American meta and there are some players in
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 7: here that weren't North American.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: There were a few that weren't most of them are though,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: and there are only four Waru players in these thirty eight.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: Like that's made top eight too.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is a yeah that's true. Top eight.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: So our top eight was two Fenn, one Kojo one,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: the Venka somehow two Sig and to Warrow. So like
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: WAA had a fifty conversion, which is still bunkers right,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: Like that's crazy, but yeah, that is pretty interesting overall
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: technically Novenka had a fifty percent conversion, right too.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah it's only two players, Yeah yeah, I.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: Mean based on this and everything we've talked about at
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: the other tournaments, I think the ones to watch that
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 5: are going to start coming up are Kojo and Fenn.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: And I mean we thought it was going to be Traced,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 5: but I I don't know this week that up.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: In the case, Trace struggles, so Trace cannot beat robin Hood,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: like sleeping Robinhood is like I beat you Trace, go
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: go pay double Manna for all your cards, Like it sucks.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: I will say one thing that did, Like you were saying,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: like the North American meta, like if you look at
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: the faction breakdown, Muna only being at five point three
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: percent and then like ard Is being at twenty six,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: Like that is kind of what works in the twenty
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: six for Bravos, right, like it it's it definitely is
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: not is.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: Still kind of.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: For sure struggling people. People really like Bravos and we've
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: we've heard like Material mentioned last week, he's got We
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: have a player in Texas that's really trying to push
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: Kojo and was able to climb pretty high up on
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: the leaderboard before, Like there was some some setbacks, but
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: I think it's a consistency problem. Like they have some
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: great tools, but they're more susceptible to disrupt everything, susceptible
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: to everything.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 5: I brought my Besierra deck and lost round one.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: So yeah, you just here right ten Bramos entered one
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: of them made top eight O progress.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 4: I made it past round one.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: That's good, right, yeah, Okay, that's three points, three points
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: for you.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: One of the big big dogs stomped me out, though, Right,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: who did I play? Did I play Sylvana? And I
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: played Pluka? I played somebody that just absolutely stomped a
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: mud hole in me.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: Well, it happens, but you got redemption Day Tuesday. And again,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: like the you just creative company is sponsoring this for us.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: We have real prizing, the whole ding of it free.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: At the end of it, somebody's going to get what
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: is this top prize for winning everything is twelve retail
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: booster packs. Had four Kickstarter booster packs, all furnament you
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: didn't pay Jack for.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 5: So yeah, I really like the tournament set up that
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 5: you came up with. Did you do You want to
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 5: explain that real quick, because I think it's super cool.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, basically, we found the single elimination that we
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: tested for season Day zero finishes at about an hour
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: a half two hours. This whole thing, every best of
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: one elimination finishes pretty quick. So what we're using that
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: is we're going to award the top two players of
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: the six pm Central time event. It caps out at
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: what do we put the cap at? Sixty four players?
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: I think yes, and the top two players will automatically
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: get an invite to the championship and the top player
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: gets a unique foiler for the weekly and the second
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: place gets a rare foiler and everyone else a cruise points.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: So if you show up and play at least game
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: one game, win or lose, you're gonna get two points
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: as far as your league score, and then you get
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: an additional point for every single win. You're a crew
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: no matter how far you go. So in this case,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: even the winners, we're able to get points even though
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: they're already in the championship. I'll talk about why they
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: out at NW points later. So like Sylvain won, he
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: has eight points, Pluka came in second, Cluca has seven points,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: and then I me and Evron came in third and
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: fourth or top four, we both have six points, so
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: technically we are the third and fourth players, but we
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: don't have an invite to the championship. We're gonna run
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: four of these, which means that eight people will be
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: in the tournament, which is gonna be a top sixteen event,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: and then there will obviously be eight spots, possibly less
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: if we get back to back winners. Those remaining spots
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: to fill the top sixteen will literally go in order
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: based on the top players based on their points from
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: accrewing each week. If there's some kind of tie, I
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: have some ways to break the tie breakers as far
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: as that goes. But that is how we'll fill that bracket.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: And then that Top sixteen week you'll get to play
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: for the for the top all the top eight will
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: get prizing. So as long as you win one game
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: that final Top sixteen event, you will all one match.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: You will then be in the prizing for the whole thing.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: And he just has helped us out with a whole box.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: I threw in some of the Kickstarter product that I
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: have that.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 4: Zach and me have, and I think I just had
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: an epiphany. I want in on this. So here's here's
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: the Ogre price. I want to put a bounty down
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: to the player who slays the most war, right, whoever
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: you are, whoever has the most wins against war specifically,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: can we get those numbers before I say this?
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: Okay, whoever says the.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: Not easy and Zach can Cole will be doing this,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: not me, but it is.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: Why are you answering yes?
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: Then?
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: Because he's asking if it can be done.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: It's it's live and on air, so now we're trapped,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: righty right.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 5: I will do it for you, Ogre.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: You are the best. Whoever slays the most war, I
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: am going to give you a WARU promo war promo.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: Oh nice, there you go the war, you get their bounty,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: their head that it's.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: Exactly right now, wins the most and if us base,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: I'll ship it to you if you want. I have
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: sent one card to France in a regular postmark dope.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: I'll do it for you if you win, if you
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: really want. But I'd prefer just digital, but you let
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: me know.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's with everything. Everything international I'm saying, is digital
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: unless you want to pay for the extensive amounts of
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: money that is the shipping to Europe.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 5: One good point on the tournament. As you mentioned, two
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 5: players have already been seeded into the championship. Unless I
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 5: am mistaken, they are more than welcome to keep playing
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: in Yes, yes, yes they can. I think that's good
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 5: for competitive growth and learning. If all of the top
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 5: players drop out every time, you're not gonna ever be
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 5: able to beat them.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: So yeah, well, and the final seeding will be based
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: on the score, so like if you are the if
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: you have the most points in the event and are
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: one of the top eight, you will be the number
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: one seed and you will, like any actual true tournament.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: You will be facing the number sixteen seed, which means
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: you should have some level of advantage there. That's a tournament,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: is what it is. I mean, got to beat the
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: people anyway. So if you come in at he's sixteen,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: you're probably facing at this point syl Vader Pluka. So
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: good luck bringing it. Bring a war killer if that
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: is a thing. I guess it's just another war deck.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: Bring your own war deck.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I mean.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: Like I just bring the bigger Bozuka.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: I believe the old saying is if you can't beat
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: him and join them.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: Ever, all right, is that gonna close us out for
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: the week?
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: We have? Well we have Zach? Oh? Yeah? Did you say?
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: Is that or is that Zach?
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 5: No?
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: Is that Zach?
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 5: Hi?
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: Zach?
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: How are you?
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: Oh? I'm doing well? How about you?
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: Did we miss Meta Lions this week?
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: My bad, Zach.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: Skip the well, I'll plush you had some some little
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: drop out with it.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know that was weird. I think my internet
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: just went crazy. We're having some weird windstorms here in Wisconsin,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: so that always messes with my Internet from time to time,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: But go ahead, what's the metal line?
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: So the medal line that I'm going to discuss this
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: week is, of course Waru, because that is the meta
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: and that is what I'm playing right now. One of
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: my favorite favorite opening turns, either on the play or
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: off the play, it doesn't matter, is having Bounty Pule
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: Metal and Order's Attorney. So I'll explain those couple of things,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: especially if you're new. Let's talk about some of those cards.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: So bout see it played against you. There's no way
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: guarantee this is the thing. Bountibule Metal two cost from
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: hand to costs from reserve. You're not likely going to
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: play from reserve because it's not going to go there
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: unless somebody does something to it. But it allows you
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: to line markets permanent. It is going to allow you
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: to exhaust it, and the next Bureaucrat that you played
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: during that turn costs one less. So a very good
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: thing to do is to start off with that. You're
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: likely going to be losing a lane your first tone.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: You're going to likely get to your first turn, yeah
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: with as played with Waru because of the second card
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: that you're probably gonna play, or the first depending on
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: what you're getting with your hand. In this case, we're
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: looking at the orders attorney the rare version, not the commons,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: so two costs from hand to cost, from reserve to
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: power all the way down. And the nice thing about
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: the attorney is likely you're going to sleep it for
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: a couple of reasons I'll explain in a second. But
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: if the expedition fails to move forward during dusk, you
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: draw a card. Waru's ability, as you may or may
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: not know, is when you play a bureaucrat, which the
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: order'st attorney is, you can gain make it gain a sleep,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: which doesn't count of statistics during the dusk when you
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: go to move when you compare. But that's not important
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: at this first turn. What's important is that you're going
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: to draw a card before your turn ends. Not only that,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: but you have mount of a metal online for later terms.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: And so why is that good? Well, one thing we've
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: already discussed is draw potential in this game is huge. Right,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: We've been over a few different uniques about the draw
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: power cards. But like the attorney getting getting a card
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: to draw by giving up the two lanes, you know
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: you're getting an extra you're getting one extra card that
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: your opponent likely didn't have number two. The second part
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: of war or excuse me, the first part of War's
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: ability is that noon if you control water Mere bureaucrats,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: you create an or to recruit one one one soldier
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: in a target expedition. So not only did you get
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: double move that first turn, but you now have yourself
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: set up with one a unit on the board or
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: excuse me, a card on the board. That was a
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: very different game that I was thinking about. You have
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: a card on the board two to two, and you
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: get to place a one one one without having to
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: pay anything because of the last turn that you did,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: and you have metaw online, so you can start discounting
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: all of your cards by one at least one, right,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: you're probably going to get a second card. Yeah, well yes, yes,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: a good chunk of your your all of your bureaucrats
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: that you play is so good the fact that it
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: gives you draw, it gives you presence on the board
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: for next turn, and it creates another. It basically allows
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: you to have three three three spread out either amongst
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: the two expeditions or on one starting off your turn
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: like that. It's really good and you can just go
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: from there, and that's why it is this week's Metal
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: line of the Week for sure.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: I do like all the explanation pretty solid.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: It's a good one. It ties into the why second altered.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: It's like very nicely because it highlights all those things
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: about most decks are altered, not being able to build
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: board state in the same way that WAU is. But
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: here you've given an example of a card that's going
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 4: to give you a resource advantage over the other guy,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: right and.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: Set you up to start winning immediately.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're you're doing all of the things necessary, but
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: you're also doing the thing we talked about where like
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: you just drop the rope and step away for a turn.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, like.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: Other I was going to say, do that mid game.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: There's there's entire turns of Wara will take in mid game, which,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: like you would expect to be a dangerous time to
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: get double pushed. But I have totally done it. I've
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: gone to where like I have six man available, and
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: literally everything I played, I slept and let them double
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: push and then I just crushed them because it's just crazy.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: It was definitely hard at first, like when you're thinking
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: about the game right, it's a race, as you described
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: it as a tug of war each ROUNDE and you're
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: giving up two spots that first round. It's hard to
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: kind of comprehend that at first, but when you realize
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: what it's doing for your later turns, you do make
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: that decision sometimes, especially playing Waru right like and other ones.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: As you were saying, Ogre, you have to know when
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: to allow that double move, when to contend, and when
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: to push, and that will get you either winning better
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: games or still stuck that run.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: So I guess Swallow here we should actually talk about
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: like what this means when you're playing against.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: Worrow, and see that's what it means.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of choices that are made when you
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: get your clutch of six at the very beginning of
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: the game, and there's a lot of decks in this
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: game that will rely on certain setups, and then they
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: might see there's setups in their hand, and of course
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: they go for it. Playing against Worrow is a little
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: bit different, Like Warrow has to set up turn one.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: If they don't set up turn one, there's generally some
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: other reason for that. They just got a bad all whatever,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: But they're looking to do not exactly what Zach just said,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: but very similar in almost all cases. So you need
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: to take advantage of that off of your first opening hand.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: If you have two creatures, you can pay with three
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: or less a man out.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: You do need to do that.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: Every single lane counts. If you are only one lane
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: pushing against war on your first turn, you are already
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: losing that game in what seemed like and that seemed
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: like a good turn for most I start, I play
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: my what you know, Moona plays their three mana druk
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: and they feel good about that turn one because that's
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: just what they do half the time. Like, that's not good,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: Like you need to understand that against WARU, if you
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: did not double push them on turn one, you got
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: the only lane that was going to be easy for
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: You missed one of the rare opportunities that that was
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: gonna be easy for you for the rest of the
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: whole damn game.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna put it. It's gonna put you behind
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: for sure. Would you when you're like, oh, I'm already
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: ahead by one, Noah, you're already behind.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that point momentum is huge. War can they afford
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 4: to take those breaks? You can't when you're playing into
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: Waru every turn you have to be scrabbling because the
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 4: distance between Waru's expeditions is an illusion, It's true.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like turn three three, Day three, they could actually
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: be in their starting points and actually be set up
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: to absolutely crush you.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're they're the I think there. They might be
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 4: the only deck in the format that that's like placing
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 4: that is legitimately playing the old school, like I have
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: to take time to build things up, and then once
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: I've hit that, like that critical mass, you can't stop
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 4: the snowball, Like, yeah, it's it's rough.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: So when what I'm saying is hard, like what I'm
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: saying does mean there are going to be scenarios where
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: you are you should be manna You're unique or possibly
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: manna some kind of landmark that you're normally relying on
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: to make sure that you can play a one and
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: a two, because ideally, like that your day two, you
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: also want to be playing a creature that can push
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: or at least effectively push with the creatures that are
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: sliding down to reserve. Like you need to be thinking
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: really really hard about what turn one and turn two
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: look like when you're facing Waru because in most games
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: you're not facing the tax hit on turn two. That's
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: like your best window to not be getting your ass kicked.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 4: Plan those expeditions people, Yes, yes, win the taghre early.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: That way you at least have a chance to weather
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: the storm that is coming. They draw a lot. Robinhood
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: is coming. He is hunting your butt.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: It's a buocracy and paperwork man. You know it's coming
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: down the line, So just be prepared to be buried.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: Is that the death and taxes? Yep, drummer like there
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: That's exactly what they do, and it's all because of
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: Robin Hood.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, I mean still kind of outside looking
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: in for me. I sniff bands. I don't know about
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: you guys, but you know, I don't know what they've
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: said about how they feel about banning certain cards, but.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: I don't think I think what we said just that
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: earlier is going like that's that is my belief as
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: far as what's going to happen. I think that would
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: actually add a lot of parity to the current meta.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: I think Turbo would actually be traced a very viable
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: immediately because right now, like I tested around traced, it
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: is super fun to play. It's a really cool hero,
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: but it is unplayable into water.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: I think they're gonna I think they're gonna double down
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: and just put anchored on robin Hood just so it's
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: like that much more painful.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 4: So there's a whole lot of conversation about it. Who
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 4: knows what's going to happen. I will say that I
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 4: immediately become skeptical anybody says that they don't think a
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: card game should have bands ever, because I just think
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 4: that's impossible. Like people are valuable, and designers are people,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: and that means you're going to get things that make
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 4: the game unhealthy. And I think that it's probably not
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 4: going to be banns this time around, because we're very
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: early and they're going to want to stretched as far
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 4: as they can.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: I think they should do everything in their power to
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: not ban a card like I believe that strongly. I
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: think there is a solution for the specific card.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, especially in a game like this right where
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: you can very easily make a eratas right, like this
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: is so easy to erata at a card, change it
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: and then since it's print on demand, right, yep, you
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: can ship it out. Will be it will be what
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: you guys said, what December January.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think we have a date yet.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: I don't. I think they may. They mentioned they probably
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: still working on it or it should be soon, but
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: I think it's Q. Yeah, expect them by.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: End of year.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: Well Q four would be the end of the year.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: But I mean, either way, like it's this is probably
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: the easiest way to ever do anything. Ever, like other
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: card games can't do that, right, Magic can't just be like, well,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: we're right, we're rotting this card and you know we're
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: gonna ship everybody new ones. This game has the ability,
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: they have the technology, they can do it.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 5: So even as the big you know or dis faction hater,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 5: I I don't think they should ban Robin Hoood.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: I think they're just going to ban the whole faction.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: They just need to edit one word and it's and
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: it's still good. It's still playable, and I like right now,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: like I said, I play all of the factions, right,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: that's the thing I do. Like, I go through I
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: play with the one that looks the most fun, and
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: for me that means the most competitive.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: And I think they.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: Actually did a absolutely brilliant job designing this game, because currently,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: the only thing that's putting one faction significantly above the
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: other five is not not Waru. It's the one single
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: word on one single iteration of one card. Like that
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: is amazing. Like this is not an easy game to design.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: The fact that that they're that close right now is like,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: that's mad props to them.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 4: I I'm not fully behind that, but I'm close enough
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: to it that we can hang out in the same
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: room and uh, we.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: Will talk about the orders uniques in the future. That's
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: a whole different topic.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 5: Listen, I'll send you the clip of Turn Inside Out
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 5: from the newest Magic set and then and then we
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 5: can talk. I'm on I'm on Big Z's side there.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 5: I think it's it's a problem, but it is a
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 5: very little problem compared to other card games I've played, Oh,
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 5: even Star Wars Unlimited.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: That's not the part I don't agree with that.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: It's the orders over.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: I think there's there's some other dialogue that are that
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 4: are turned a bit far. But I do agree that,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: like Robinhood is agreedous for two reasons. It's super powerful
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: and it's a super negative play experience. And anytime you
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: have those two things combined. Yeah, it can make things rough.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: The NPE is a big North American like card gaming topic.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: I'm interesting that they didn't use those specific terms because
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: that is a card gaming thing. But it's France. I'm
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: not sure what their terminology is, but negative play experiences.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: And they kind of did. Like they they mentioned that
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: they felt that it was created a very unfun environment.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like I heard those words. I was actually
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: expecting to hear that that abbreviation.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: Blue because it's a play environment.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: Which is what happened in Keyford early on they addressed
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: some cards, one of them correctly, one of them incorrectly.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: But I mean magic has done it forever. There's always been.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: There's always been a little match in magic. I mean,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: no matter what you do, it like nobody wants to
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  Speaker 1: play against the blue player. F Yi, I'm the blue player,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm going pink this time round because I look pink.
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  Speaker 2: Finn's good. People tell me the Venka's fun. I they
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  Speaker 2: can have their opinion as.
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  Speaker 1: Well, can they? If I know anything about you, the
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  Speaker 1: people are not allowed. You're allowed to have an opinion.
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  Speaker 2: Allowed to be that hero. I just won't, but I
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  Speaker 2: know I will lose a game at some point to
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  Speaker 2: the Venka and not be happy about why fair enough.
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  Speaker 1: I do believe this closes us out for the night
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  Speaker 1: season our episode two in the books. Thank you everyone
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  Speaker 1: in the chat for joining us tonight greatly do appreciate it,
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  Speaker 1: and for everybody listening out there in podcast land. We'll
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  Speaker 1: see y'all next week.
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  Speaker 2: Those these days, how would be like?
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  Speaker 8: Whatsold do that? How did we say to be Gorma?
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  Speaker 8: Or maybe making good old.
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  Speaker 9: Bad over runing wad into you you got a Blood twelve,
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  Speaker 9: reading
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  Speaker 8: The goods something you