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Super Tuesdays - Trump’s Admission Of Corruption + Will Trump Break NATO? + Platner Mired In Scandal · The Chuck ToddCast

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: So since Chuck and I recorded our pod our new
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Pod super Tuesdays on Monday afternoon, there's been a lot
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: of news on the sports and the political front, and
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: we talked about both of these things in the podcast
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: to come, so I wanted to do quick updates. The
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  Speaker 1: US men's national team delivered an absolute stinker of her performance,
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: losing four to one to Belgium, and I'll be honest
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: the final score it was probably not as close as
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  Speaker 1: the final score suggested. Flora and Balligan being relieved of
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  Speaker 1: the red card. Donald Trump getting involved on up not
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  Speaker 1: mattering at all because Balligan didn't really impact the game
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  Speaker 1: in any meaningful way. I will note Chuck Chuck, who
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  Speaker 1: is en route to Upstate New York or Western New
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  Speaker 1: York right now. So I made an executive decision that
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  Speaker 1: I would just quickly update. Chuck sends this in from
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  Speaker 1: the Midas Touch, noting that when Trump touches some sports stuff,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't work out well. So obviously Trump gets involved
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  Speaker 1: for Flow Balligan to have FIFA res in the red
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  Speaker 1: card or postpone the red card. Balligan plays US loses
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  Speaker 1: for to one. Here are a bunch of other This
• 1:17
  Speaker 1: is Va Mitas touch. Trump attended the Super Bowl and
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  Speaker 1: predicted the Kansas City Chiefs win, but the Eagles blew
• 1:22
  Speaker 1: them out. Trump was there when the Commanders toasted the
• 1:25
  Speaker 1: Lions and lost at home. He watched from a suite
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  Speaker 1: as Miami fell in the College Football National Championship Game.
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  Speaker 1: He sat in the owner suite when the Knicks step
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  Speaker 1: snapped their huge playoff streak and end the NBA Finals
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  Speaker 1: Game three. And he attended the Ryder Cup where Europe
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  Speaker 1: top the US team. So the curse of Trump, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think that's probably a little overblown. But yeah, not
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  Speaker 1: a good performance by the US. Disappointing, but Balligan and
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  Speaker 1: him playing while they'm not making a difference. Now, I said,
• 1:55
  Speaker 1: there's big news on the sports in politics Runt, I'm
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  Speaker 1: the politics front. Chuck and I you'll here, talked a
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  Speaker 1: little bit about this, these rumors that were swirling around
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  Speaker 1: Graham Platner. This was Monday afternoon and that Platner had
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  Speaker 1: canceled some campaign events and there was a rumor of
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  Speaker 1: a big story dropping. Well that big story dropped a
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  Speaker 1: couple hours four five o'clock on the East Coast on Monday.
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  Speaker 1: And what it was is that a woman named Jenny Rascom,
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  Speaker 1: who had dated Plattner, told Politico that he had sexually
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  Speaker 1: assaulted her, having sex with her against her will five
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  Speaker 1: years ago. This was Rassico was quoted in a New
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  Speaker 1: York Times story that came out a few weeks ago
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  Speaker 1: where they talked to a bunch of women who had
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  Speaker 1: dated Platner and said that they he had made them
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  Speaker 1: feel not great, not safe all the time, but it
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  Speaker 1: had never risen to the level of a sexual assault claim. Well,
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  Speaker 1: Roscoe said, I want to go on the record and
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to say that this is what happened. She
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  Speaker 1: is a Democrat. She says in the political story that
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  Speaker 1: she it was hard for her because her politics are
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  Speaker 1: in agreement with Platner, but she wanted the public to know,
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  Speaker 1: the voting public to know who Platner is and how
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  Speaker 1: he behaves. Platner, as of ten thirty pm on Monday night,
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  Speaker 1: which is when I'm taping this, had not yet dropped
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  Speaker 1: out of the race. Virtually everyone in the Democratic Party
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  Speaker 1: has called on Platner to drop out. Ruben Diego, the
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  Speaker 1: senator from Arizona who had endorsed him, rescinded his endorsement. Rocana,
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  Speaker 1: the congressman from California who had endorsed Platner, rescinded his endorsement.
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  Speaker 1: The main Democratic Party has called on Platner to drop out.
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  Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer and the head of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee,
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  Speaker 1: Kirsten Jilbrand, have called on Platner to drop out. Platner
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  Speaker 1: is only released a video where he says these allegations
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  Speaker 1: are false, but I'm considering what to do in my
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  Speaker 1: next steps. I don't really think he has a lot
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  Speaker 1: of options. There's a New York Times item from Shane
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  Speaker 1: Goldmacher that moved across the transmit at about eight o'clock
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  Speaker 1: that says Grant Platner has not made a decision on
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  Speaker 1: whether to drop out, who added there was no guarantee
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  Speaker 1: he would drop out even as Democrats abandoned his campaign
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  Speaker 1: on Monday. Quote. If he was to step down, it
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  Speaker 1: would only be with a guarantee of being replaced by
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  Speaker 1: a candidate who he believes is true to the values
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  Speaker 1: and vision and policy agenda of the campaign that Maine
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  Speaker 1: voted for. Said the person who was granted am ananimity
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  Speaker 1: because they're not authorized to speak about the discussions publicly.
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  Speaker 1: I think grand Plantner misunderstands his leverage right now, he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't have any leverage, like you were, being driven out
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  Speaker 1: of this race. If Grand Platner is not out of
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  Speaker 1: this race by the end of Tuesday, I would be stunned.
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  Speaker 1: Here's how it would work. He has until July thirteenth
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  Speaker 1: to leave the race and be replaced on the ballot
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  Speaker 1: by the Main Democratic Party. If he leaves the race,
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  Speaker 1: the Main Democratic Party is until July twenty seventh, two
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  Speaker 1: weeks after that thirteenth deadline, so three weeks from today
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  Speaker 1: to announce who their pick is to replace Platner on
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  Speaker 1: the ballot to take on Susan Collins Graham. Platner's trying
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  Speaker 1: to trying to say he'll only get out if if
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  Speaker 1: there's someone who's replacing him on the ballot who he
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  Speaker 1: approves of and who shares his values. Dude, you're not
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  Speaker 1: in a position to be making demands, right. I think
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  Speaker 1: the race is over for Platner. I think Democrats should
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  Speaker 1: have known, and I think Chuck very much agrees with
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  Speaker 1: me here. Democrats should have known. They should have seen
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  Speaker 1: the writing on the wall. Chuck and I talked many
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  Speaker 1: times about how this was a giant gamble by Democrats
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  Speaker 1: to go forward nominating Platner after the Reddit pots and
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  Speaker 1: the Nazi line tattoo and the New York Times story
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  Speaker 1: about how he treated women in his past, Like, there
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  Speaker 1: are so many red flags here that you know, Democrats
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  Speaker 1: should count themselves lucky that they at least have a
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  Speaker 1: way to replace Platner on the ballot, a legal way
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  Speaker 1: to replace Platner on the ballot by July twenty seventh.
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  Speaker 1: But I would assume he does not his campaign does
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  Speaker 1: not last another twenty four hours, and then the question
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  Speaker 1: will be who steps in a lot of people. I think,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the governor's race on the Democrats side was
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  Speaker 1: very crowded, a lot of Democrats who did not win
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  Speaker 1: that race. Hannah Pingre he wound up winning that race
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  Speaker 1: the Democratic comedy who, also, by the way, is called
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  Speaker 1: for Platner to get out of the race. She wins,
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  Speaker 1: but a bunch of other quality candidates didn't win. There
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  Speaker 1: is there someone there who winds up being the pick
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  Speaker 1: of the state Democratic Party. Is Shelley Pingree, the member
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  Speaker 1: of Congress whose daughter is the Democratic nominee for governor?
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  Speaker 1: Might she be the pick? She's actually probably hurt by
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  Speaker 1: the fact that her daughter is the Democratic nominee for governor.
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  Speaker 1: But man, really a ton of action happening. After Chuck
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• 7:00
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  Speaker 1: Can we I want to go back before we go
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  Speaker 1: forward briefly? Yeah? Oh, actually, don't go as long as
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• 9:27
  Speaker 1: why this may speak to the lameness of my life,
• 9:30
  Speaker 1: but I wound up watching ninety percent of Trump's speech
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: on July fourth, and then I watched the fire meditation.
• 9:37
  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, what is the fun read?
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: What did you make of not just the speech but
• 9:43
  Speaker 1: the whole thing? Right? The fireworks and the rain and
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  Speaker 2: You know, look, the whole thing.
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• 9:54
  Speaker 2: got to. But I was at I was in New
• 9:57
  Speaker 2: York for the one hundredth uh anniversary of the Statue
• 10:01
  Speaker 2: of Liberty.
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  Speaker 1: Oh cool.
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  Speaker 2: So this was in eighty six, nineteen eighty six, and
• 10:06
  Speaker 2: so it's it's uh. And I remember then talking to
• 10:09
  Speaker 2: people who were around then, who were who were at
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: the We were in Battery Park, my aunt and I
• 10:16
  Speaker 2: and we experienced the whole thing, and you had the
• 10:18
  Speaker 2: ship parade and all this stuff. And yeah, I mean,
• 10:20
  Speaker 2: New York does awesome. You know, the visual side of
• 10:23
  Speaker 2: New York were amazing.
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: The tall ships thing is so cool.
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  Speaker 2: It's so cool. And look it was the greatest fireworks
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: display I'd ever seen at the time. And so but
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: I think about it. You know what I don't remember
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: about the Statue of Liberty in nineteen eighty six was
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan deciding it was all about him. I don't
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: remember Ronald Reagan going to the you know, it was like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, deciding that the one hundredth anniversary of this
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  Speaker 2: was somehow the hunt, you know was somehow it was
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: going to be all about him. And by the way,
• 10:54
  Speaker 2: he was in the sixth year of his of his
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: time as president. This is the sixth year of.
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  Speaker 1: His time made second term.
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  Speaker 2: I was reading some accounts of Jerald Ford and how
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  Speaker 2: he you know what he did on July fifth, by
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  Speaker 2: the way, in nineteen seventy six.
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  Speaker 1: No, he went to a.
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: Naturalization ceremony and it was like, and you know, you
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  Speaker 2: know what he when he brought up November. He brought
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: up November. And by the way, that was a presidential
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: election here in something yes, right, imagine what Trump would
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: have done if this would have.
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  Speaker 1: Been a president right, and his name was on the ballot.
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  Speaker 2: Gerald Ford basically simply the only time he referenced the
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  Speaker 2: November election was to say, this is what we do
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: in our country, yeah, which.
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: Is totally like democracy. It's not far.
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: I lay all that out there in that I did
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: have a high bar. I know Trump can't ever meet
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: low bars, let alone high bars. No, but two point
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  Speaker 2: fifty is something that we've spent six seven years planning for.
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: Right that that committee's been around a lot of time.
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  Speaker 2: We have some of the most amazing storytellers in history
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  Speaker 2: that all work for the US government. We call it
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: the Smithsonian. So the ability of us to do something
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  Speaker 2: amazing and big is right here. And the fact that
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  Speaker 2: this president just threw all of that in the garbage
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  Speaker 2: and just walked away from all of that. I mean, look,
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: we can sit here and go through. You know, he
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  Speaker 2: doesn't understand the story of America.
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  Speaker 1: And we've talked about that many times. Yep.
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  Speaker 2: And the thing is is none of this is new.
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  Speaker 2: But I will tell you and I know and I
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: did this today in my pod, which I probably went
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: a little long on this because I found.
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: The hashtag the Chuck podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I found the financial disclosure, which is the biggest insult
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  Speaker 2: to the image we have.
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: Talked about this eighties. Just for people, very quickly, for
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: people unfamiliar, Donald Trump made six hundred and twenty two
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  Speaker 1: million dollars in twenty twenty four when he was running
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  Speaker 1: for president. He made two point two billion dollars his
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: first year's president, including one point four billion of that
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  Speaker 1: from crypto. Go ahead, Chuck. No, but he also you know,
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  Speaker 1: made a couple of hundred grand on bibles and yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the Trump Bible. It's just junk, just choch key, not
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  Speaker 1: not a thing before somebody cuts us up. No, we
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: are not. I am not saying the Bible is junk.
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying the stuff he's selling chocks greenwood Bibles, right,
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  Speaker 1: apparently they're which. By the way, wasn't it the Oklahoma
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  Speaker 1: someone some elected official in Oklahoma was trying to make
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  Speaker 1: that the mandated Bible that all. Yes, Ryan Walters states
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  Speaker 1: fortnd of Education.
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: Who who is too controversial for the Oklahoma Republican Party about?
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe. Well anyway, yes, Chochkey's he's selling cho chokey.
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  Speaker 2: I don't I think Trump really underestimates how much this
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  Speaker 2: is gonna. I just think the combined and maybe you
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: could say I'm I'm wishful thinking about this, but I
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  Speaker 2: think the combination of him essentially peeing on American history
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  Speaker 2: and this confession. I mean, I look the fact that
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  Speaker 2: he filled out the financial disclosure we should be thankful for.
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  Speaker 2: It's the one Watergate reform that hasn't been thrown away
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  Speaker 2: by courts or the or or or the president. So
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  Speaker 2: it's by the way, imagine what he didn't put on there.
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  Speaker 1: It never reminds me of the spinal tap cover. You
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  Speaker 1: got a woman on all fours with a leather, glombing,
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  Speaker 1: shoven her face, and then you should round her neck
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  Speaker 1: smelling a man's hand. You should have seen what they
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  Speaker 1: wanted to put interface so good brad dresser line, a
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  Speaker 1: talk calla around the neck smelling.
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  Speaker 2: A man's hand. Canel.
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  Speaker 1: But yes, I do love the You should have seen
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  Speaker 1: what we could have put in that financial disclosure, right,
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  Speaker 1: and and so the point is is that I just.
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  Speaker 2: Think the combinat the combo platter here, right, financial disclosure
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  Speaker 2: gets you know, basically it's one of those holiday weekend
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  Speaker 2: stories where do I think most of it penetrated? No,
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  Speaker 2: I think too, you know, But it's the.
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  Speaker 1: Type of headline that you're like because it confirms what you.
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  Speaker 2: Already kind of knew about him, right, And that's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: He behaved in the most extreme versions of himself. We
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  Speaker 2: always knew he's out for himself. We always he wants
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  Speaker 2: to make everything about himself. But he went to like
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  Speaker 2: extreme versions of that of him, both in the financial
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  Speaker 2: and in the second term. And how he like, I
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: don't think first term Trump would have been this narcissistic
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  Speaker 2: about he'd have been a little bit more deferential to
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  Speaker 2: the system in his first term.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he was.
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  Speaker 2: I mean he was the people surrounding him, right, that
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't have allowed him to You know, there's there, there's
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  Speaker 2: nothing but enablers around him.
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  Speaker 1: And here's the tell and how you know this is.
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  Speaker 2: Not good politics for Republicans right now? Or him? Can
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: tell me the number of elected officials that decided to
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  Speaker 2: spend the vulta July with them.
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  Speaker 1: I mean there was not. I thought the exact same thing.
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  Speaker 1: You You could have had a thing on stage with
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  Speaker 1: senators and members of Congress standing up on them. I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to be there. Did they No, No, nor did
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  Speaker 1: any of them really talk. It's not like they were like,
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  Speaker 1: thank you President Trump. I mean right. I mean, by
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: the way, who all went to the UFC match wasn't
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  Speaker 1: exactly a who's who was? The cabinet, the cabinet and
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: then and then the like ted cruises of the world,
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: who are there because they for obvious transparent political reasons.
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  Speaker 2: But people that need to win votes this year? Are
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: they showing up to these things? Are they wanting to
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  Speaker 2: show up next second? No?
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  Speaker 1: I think it's yeah, you know, I think that speaks.
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  Speaker 1: I think that absence speaks volumes. I think it's so
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  Speaker 1: on points since you really wasn't patriot he was.
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  Speaker 2: He was celebrating his version of patriotism pretty much by himself.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. And I feel like that's in some ways the
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: story of Trump is like he's grown, he has grown
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  Speaker 1: increasingly isolated. Yet you know, I mean, yes, he's still
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: like that's the thing. It's like he has his hangers
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: on or whatever. But the.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, so we talk about this case
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: shaped economy a lot, right, yeah, which is, you know,
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: if you've got money, this economy is not has been
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: going pretty well, and you keep making more money, and
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: if you don't, it's it's a real challenge. I think
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Trump is so insulated from the eighty percent of America
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: struggles with this economy that he doesn't have any idea.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: It's why he doesn't believe. Notice the thing, if you,
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: if you start to, if you if you accept the
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: premise that he actually doesn't he lives in a literally
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: a gilded cage.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Yes, then it's understandable.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Then he goes out there and says, I think this
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: affordability line totally is made up, or I think that
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: if it's the only explanation really right, and nobody around
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: him experiences the word the.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Because he surrounded himself with a lot of wealthy people.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: And the second twealthy people and it's only the rich
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: and it's only those that So I do think he's
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: more out of touch than he's ever been. And obviously,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: the older he gets, the less mobile he's going to be,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: the less he's going to travel, the less he's going
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: to do all those things, it's only going to be
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: more self isolating all the time. I mean, it's uh,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, I just think this weekend
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: was a I don't I think it was bad politics
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: for the Republican Party, and it certainly was bad politics
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: for Trump's legacy. But I you know, but that's been that,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: that's been true. It's so predictable of many things over
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: the last eighteen months in the second term. But you know,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: there's this, here's the here's the sort of rabbit hole
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: I went down this morning, which was is this finally
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: it is this not the beginning?
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: I said, yeah, you know, are we at the you know?
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: And I believe we're we're now finally at late stage
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: trump trump Ism, and we just it'll be easier once it,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: once it's over for us to see when late stage
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: of course, yeah, right, yes, so look and I went
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: through all of the times that we thought, well, he'll
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: never say that.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: If we have been through this since basically a the
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: month after, a month after, I know we'll get it
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: right right about one of these things. It's like predicting
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: the Red Sex Wi win the World Series. No, but
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, going all the way back to July twenty
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: fifteen when he says I prefer my war heroes not captured.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: At least some of us have been saying, wow, that's it.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: So I think there's I think there's a natural resistance
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: to it. But explain why you give me a quick
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: rundown of why you think late stage trump Ism is here,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: because I do think that's an interesting I mean part
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: of its natural timing, right, I think almost the second
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: half of the second.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: I's got to say this to me is just the
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: rhythm of the politics. Yeah, he's you know, and he's
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: no longer self correcting, right, and aft ability of self
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: correct He's always struggled with self correction, yes, but every
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: once in a while he you know, obviously he was
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: good enough at it to win the presidency twice. Yea
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: so and he's not been able to self so he's
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: limited and in his ability to self correct, he's got
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: limited influence now over his own party.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Who Now, I think that's so important.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: So when you put all of those things together, yes,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't think we're at the you know,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: the question is, you know, like, can you imagine him
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: ever being over forty five percent job approval for the
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: rest of his term? At what?
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Would be really hard?
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: I just right, even if there was some kind of
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: national knock on wood national tragedy, it doesn't he Number One,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I think he's too far gone in how people perceive him.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Number Two, he isn't an empathetic rally around figure. The
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: speech on July fourth is a perfect example of that, right,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: I mean I went through it, But there he's clearly
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: reading from the prompter and hell, this this this attempt
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: to be big, big, this America from the the hills,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: By the way, he's got speech writers that like clearly
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: are using AI to write these.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like this big peroration at the ends, like, but
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: even in that, he can't stick to it, Chuck, He'll
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: be like an American.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: And he doesn't finish the line right.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Americans never quit just like I never quit fighting, and
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: I should have been elected to a third term. Do
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? You're like, oh my god,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: like he just he can't. I think that this so
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: and I self correction thing is important, and this and
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: you and I have talked about this before. You've made
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: this point. The self discipline might not be the right
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: word as it relates to Trump, but the ability to
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: course correct, but also to be like as disciplined as
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: he can be. His filter, his the thing that keeps
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: it under one hundred and eighty miles an hour is off.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all. It's all worse. And then if you
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: go through you know what's gonna happen is that whoever was,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: whoever is capable around him, is looking for an exit.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so just wait, if you think, if if you
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: if you're if you think that there are a few
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: guardrails in this current staff, wait on next year.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, wait until post election, postmit terms,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: when there will be an exitus.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Especially if it's democratic control of Congress.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Look, I always tell people it's it'll get better, but
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: it's probably gonna get worse first. I mean, that's my
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: belief is that it will get uglier.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: He he he will never capitulate, and so that means
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: he will go he will corner himself more and more
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: and more and lash out more and more and more.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's just what he does. It's what he's
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: always done. It's not like he's going to be like,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: you know, like remember Obama, what word do you say?
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Like they delivered a spanking or a smacking wind Republicans
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: in the midter sheillacking was the word, and it was
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: an s and you know it was like, well, in theory,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to work with these people and we're
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: going to figure out what went wrong. Trump will never
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: do that, right, Like, can you envision November fourth elections over,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: let's just say Republicans lose the House and Senate. What
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: will he say. He won't say this was a rejection
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: of you know, we need to course correct, blah blah blah.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: He will say it was all rigged and we didn't
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: really lose. And if they if only Republicans had listened
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: to me and align themselves closer to me instead of
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: running for me, we would have want Like there's no
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: world by which he delivers a shellacking speech or anything
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: close to it.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Right, No, no, yeah, no, it's going to be all
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: about socialists or he won't say socialists anymore.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: They're using communists, communists.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: They have to change their language because they used to
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: just call liberal socialists and that was enough.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Now now you's got to go further. Now they're self
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: identifying as socialist of the name.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Right. It's just like what the left calling nationalist fascists. Right,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: it's like, you know, nationalism used to be in itself
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: an attack line, and then you're like, oh no, they
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: embraced this, so now you know, now you get to
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't know how much more extreme our
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: rhetoric can get, but it's a more extreme I was.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Gonna say, We're gonna find out. All right, So let's
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: look forward through this week. So Trump is either on
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: his way or about to be on his way to Turkey.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Don't break NATO NATO summit. So this is what I
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: want to raise. He has been consistent about almost nothing
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: in his political career except tariffs, and he hates NATO
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: and thinks it does a disservice to the US. Do
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: you do you believe to your point, what's the goal
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: here for Trump. Can Trump break NATO? It seems as
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: though he does. He clearly does not believe in post
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: the post World War two alliance structure. He he wants
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: kind of one offs that are negotiated with the US
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: that are more advantageous rather than these big group projects
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: for lack of a better word, where he feels like
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: the US gets screwed. The US does all the work
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: in the group project and doesn't get in there for right,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: what do you like? What the problem?
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Here's the problem with answering that question, Chris, is none
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: of this make why he wants to break NATO makes
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: no sense to me. Okay, unless you're the bidding of
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: somebody else. And I know that sounds complain paranoid and
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: all this stuff, but every other rationale makes no sense.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: It makes America less safe, makes our allies less reliant
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: on US, I mean, you know it. Look. The part
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: of Trump that people keep trying to tell me I
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: should embrace more is the fact that he's a transactionalist.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Well I think that was true. Now he's not much
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: of a transit, but there's still a He wants to
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: be a transaction, right, It's his nature is transaction.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: So you can you know.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, if you deal with if you need somebody
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: to deal with a corrupt enterprise like FIFA, the best
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: person to.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Hire somebody with corrupt enterprises. Wait, wait, the organization that
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: put the World Cup in Qatar in the summer when
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: the average temperatures one hundred and twenty degrees may be
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: potentially corrupt.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Up anyway, So the reason, it's like, there is no
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: good strategic.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Reason for America to pull back from NATO. What is
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: his stated reason, Chuck, what is his stated reason? I
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: don't know it. I'm asking you.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: The stated reason has always been we give more to
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: them than they get back.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: To us, Right, it's this advantageous to us broadly. Yeah.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: But the problem for Trump on this is his affection
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: for Russia and Putin when the fact of the matter
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: is he shares the same goal as Putin and.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Which is weakening Europe.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, why yeah, why does he want to do that?
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: I know why Pip wants to do it.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Why does it serve the United States to weaken and
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: fracture Europe?
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: It is correct, It doesn't serve the good of the
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: United States. Unless it's hard to imagine the only the
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: only the only way you can make a positive case
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: for it is if you're trying to weaken the rest
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: of the world so that we look stronger by comparison.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: The thing that you and I have talked about and
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I keep coming back to is that. And I'm the
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: foreign policy expert, but as I look at Trump, it
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: seems as though he his worldview in a break with
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: sort of how presidents post World War two have looked
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: at it, is that there are three superpowers US, China, Russia.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Now we can debate Russia. The first two I think
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: are non debatable, and that effectively it's the spheres of influence, Like, Okay,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: we're going to get a bunch, China's going to get
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: a bunch of Russia's going to get a bunch. Everybody
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: else is going to have to like it or lump
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: it. It doesn't matter. They don't really have the ability to
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: do anything to us. I guess that's his theory of
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: the case is foreign policy from the five families of
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: New York.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, And that's how we've used foreign policy. It's basically
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: no different than you know, the Coppo, the captain of
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: that enterprise over there.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Look, it may be a joke of a country.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: It may be a gas station with nuclear weapons, but
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: you know what it is, it's a gas station with
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: nuclear weapons. Correct, So they do get to they do
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: get to punch above their weight. Right, That's that's sort
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: of the mindset I think of Trump on this, and
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: that's been that's the most generous version of it, right.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: That is, yes, it is not the nefarious aspects. But
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: you know the problem. The problem is that every time,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: like take the current moment we're in right now, Putin
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: hasn't been this week ever.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Putin has not been this vulnerable.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Ever. The Russian leadership is hanging on by a Ukraine
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: has them on the run. They're literally hiding in bunkers
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: in Moscow. The leadership is hiding. They're petrified that these
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Ukrainian drones are going to find them and kill them.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: They have reached inside and created fear in Moscow, They
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: created fear in Saint Petersburg. Right, So it is all
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: it would take would be for the Western Alliance is
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: to collectively turn the screws a little bit more on
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: the economic and you know, you clearly have a domestic
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: population that is exhausted from this time is going on right,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Putin has been Does you know he drafts his soldiers
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: from the poorest people.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: He is very careful to keep his elites from this
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: war from touching his elite. So and Ukraine has decided
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: we're going to make sure they're feeling this too, which
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: is why Moscow and Saint Petersburger been in the crossairs.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: And the fact that we're not taking advantage of this
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: moment to permanently potentially weakened Putin to that hobble Putin right, Yeah,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: he won't do it. Instead, he's trying. He literally is
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: the lifeline for Putin. He's still trying to resuscitate this
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: idea of a piece plan when Ukraine has no reason
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: to negotiate at the moment, z Row reason. They're about
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: to get it all back. They're about to get Crimea back.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: They have made crimea of vulnerability for the Russians. Now
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: he won't pull back even though he should. And what
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: are we doing nothing? We're doing everything we can to
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: resuscitate Putin to keep him more viable. It is so
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: this is one of those things that sometimes the news
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: that's being made.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Is what isn't happening totally in a moment where Putin
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: is obviously vulnerable, Ukraine has them on the run. There's
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: never been a better time to isolate Putin and we're
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: not doing it, or we're not taking part in an
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: effort to do it. And by the way, I'm not
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: sure give in everything all the water under the bridge,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: that the US could lead a coalition to do that
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: at them, led by Donald Trump at the moment. I mean,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: I think that's a real a real possibility, is that,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Chuck is it could have just be the I'm just
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think through I guess I'm not
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: a believer in the like Russia has secret tapes of
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump sleeping with prostitutes. But could it just be
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: he's attracted to a thing that we know to be true,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: which is he is attracted to strong men like.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Form I will tell you know, like there's a there's
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: a simpler way of looking at it. He usually is
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: attracted to the rogues. Yeah, because I think that's how
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: he views himself, right, He's sort of so if if
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: all the elites who don't like him also you know,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: he finds common you know, if you're asking me for
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: a a a less paranoid explanation.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Of yeah, I mean.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Putin, it would be the enemy of my enemies, is
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: my ally, right, which is the elites don't like me.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: The elites don't like Putin. There's something good with this.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Guy, you know.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: And I do think he wishes he were putin.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, I think he.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: I think way he'd rather be a dictator. I think
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: he'd rather rule by fear. I think when you when
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: you've been this unlikable for as long as he's been unlikable, right, Like,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: I think this is possible. This goes back to grade school, right,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: and you look like I said that. I'll tell you
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: words you never hear. Donald Trump spent time with his
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: high school friends.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Donald Donald Trump had went to a college reunion.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Right. He didn't have any If they existed, they would
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: show up, none of them. He alienates everybody that ever
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: gets close to him. Somewhere between a six and eight
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: year period. He had done it to his own family
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: until he became president. I mean, you know, the kids
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: were starting to find distance, right, but then they realized
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: this is a real moneymaker.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: It was a well, this is going to be a
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: gravy trained So that's it's true though, even I mean
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: I think I think Obama is rightly criticized as being aloof.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: At the same time, I always gave Obama credit in
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: that he did keep a core group of people who
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: was who were friends with them even even before the
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: state legislature. He'd like go golf with them once a year,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: you know they and obviously when he became president they
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: are around more. But like there, that does not exist
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: with Donald Trump. It just doesn't.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: He just you know, there are they are no longtime friends, no,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: you know, these are all transactional friends.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, to the extent there's anyone,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: it's these, It's the like Howard Lutnix of the world
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: where it was clearly like a parisiting Right.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Howard Luttnik is a guy who in five years is
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: going to claim he wasn't ever that close to Donald
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Trump and he never really knew him very well. He
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: just he todt to get close because he wanted to
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: be Commerce secretary.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: You watch, There'll be a whole slew of these people,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: which is which is appalling in its own right. Yeah,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: we're all going to deaths.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: You know, I didn't know him that well, but I
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: didn't want to pass up an opportunity to totally.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Helped the country. You know, I just I felt like
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: I was called to serve. Blah blah blah. Yes, totally.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: It's you can see those pr statements being written now.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: It's a remarkable thing. All right. I want to shift
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: gears because I do want to talk. I want to
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: talk some about the Senate. And I've got two stories
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: you mentioned with your the son will come out McMorrow,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: which I do love. So MALOI McMorrow drops out of
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: the race.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: You and I have been telegraphed for two yes, yes,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: but originally the rumor was about Haley Stephens dropping.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: One of the two, either Stevens or McMorrow. Is they
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: thought has to drop out to stop Abdul Alcia. This
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: has been it's been on the horizon for a.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: While, clearly in the head of Gary Peters for a while,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: because yes, an Chuck Schumer, Yeah, they you know, and
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: you know, look, McMorrow looked like, you know, there's a
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: brief period she looked like she was going to be
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: the better bat for the quote un quote non.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I think she could raise the money and then her
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: and then and then her numbers didn't move. Stevens has
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: money anyway, she drops out of the race. She doesn't
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: endorse anyone. This is Sunday, she drops out of the race.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: I am We've talked on this, and I am fascinated
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: by this. The primary is on August the fourth, so
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: a little less than a month. You now have a
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: one on one Abdul Elside, who I don't think is
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: running as a Democratic Socialist, but certainly he's been endorsed
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: by Bernie Sanders. He advocates for many of the positions
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: that the DSA advocates were. And then Hilly Stephens, who
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: is a member of Congress, who has all the establishment support.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: It's a very interesting choice. What do you make of
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: that primary truck. I kind of still think Sayeed is favored.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Look, I mean when you say you're talking about democratic primary,
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: the enthusiasms with the left, the enthusiams not with the establishment.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: We have seen this, you know. I look at the
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: phil Wiser. This is not about left versus right. This
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: is yes, outsider versus insider. Yes, Stephen's first name is congresswoman.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, she's got.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: All all the trade of somebody who loses a primary.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: And by the way, in that l Sied is a
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: much more charismatic, natural candidate than her too.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: I think you've interviewed him. I've interviewed.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a very talented Communica, very comfortable in his
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: own skin.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: He's very comfortable me, you know, having someone like me, like, look,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: you lose me when you use the word genocide. And
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: he's like, well, let me explain why I use it.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: And I'm not asking you that, I'm not telling you
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: you have to use it in order to support me
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: and all this stuff.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, very good. After he ran, after he ran
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: against Gretor Whitburer and by the way, did far better
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: than many people thought in that twenty eighteen primary. He
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: became a CNN contributor. I would run into him in
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: green rooms and stuff. He's a very affable, able guy.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Like he's like, I remember when he got in this race.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I said to people, do not assume that it's between mccarrow.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: And Ron forty eight a year ago, said I'm telling
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: you that guy might end up the nominee. He works
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: at all harder he learned he and Ron had gotten
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: to know him when he ran for governor in eighteen
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: and sort of you know, was just impressed, right, you
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: just sort of as a as a wire report.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like somebody who and somebody who covers politics.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: You're like, oh, this guy's good. Whether you agree with
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: not about his policies, he's just a good candidate.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Right I look, so, I you know, I know what
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: the numbers say that mcmarrow's supporters are two to one
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: more likely to pick Stevens over Abdua. That's not what
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: the primary season is telling me, Right, you know so,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: And I'll just tell you the history of Michigan. You know,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: I remember one of my first sort of near adult
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: political memories, and I was paying a close attention because
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: I had a cousin working in political journalism at the time.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty eight. I was following that. I was
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: obsessed with that primary season. Great primary totally and Jackson
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: won the Michigan I think they were technically wasn't it
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: a caucus fire out? I think it was more firehouse
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: primary than cos Okay, yeah, I don't want to imply
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: it was like Iowa. Was it like a for a
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: second choice thing? I think it was more quote unquote
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: fire house primary and Jesse won. Now, Jesse had had
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: the combo platter of being both the liberal candidate and
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: the African American candidate, and that was he got a majority,
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: He got over fifty percent. He wiped out new Cocks.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Bernie Sanders pummeled Hillary in the Michigan primary.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: If I'd not mistaken, let me double check that score, right,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: it passed his prologue. Those Jesse and Bernie look are
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: a lot more support wise, closer to Abdulla si ed. Yeah,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: all right.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: It wasn't a blowout. Bernie won it forty nine point
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: seven to forty eight point three.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, so but still one it was.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: It was an outset because all the polling because people
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: had her ahead, had her ahead by do I remember
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: that piece for sure. So that's why I had in
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: my memory that Bernie is big. But it turned out
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: what he did is he it was bad polling, which
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Michigan has a lot of the tradition on that.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: But that when that upset sustained him for an extended
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: period of time because then it was like, well, I
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: think if she had if memory serves, if she had
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: won Michigan, I think there would have been at the
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: where it fell in the premier season, there would have
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: been a bunch of pressure for him to get out.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Not that he would have come to it necessarily. Oh
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: yeah no, but that did not happen, and that gave
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: him life well beyond the rest.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Correct. Look, Michigan has provided near upsets before, even on
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: the Republican side. You know, with Rick saying torum and
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: when when Robney hid the scare of his life and
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: is ye is the state of his birth? I think, yeah, at.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Least the state where his dad was governor, and we
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: know that. Yeah.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: So, but look the swing votes, the black vote, pure
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: and simple right progressives and socialists have had a hard
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: time winning over black voters. Yep, there's a consistent pattern. Yes,
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: young voters of col are are voting more progressive. But
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: when you isolated African Americans, it's not been nearly that
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: if you group sort of you know, Southeast Asians and
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: other and mixed race and all of this stuff. So
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: I think that it is. Here's what we've learned in
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: more sort of historically large African American voting precincts, we've
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: seen these progressive candidates not do well. Nope, they've not
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: done well. Whether it's in Atlanta, whether it's in Detroit,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: whether it's in Chicago, and even you know, we've had
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: they've gone back and forth with progressive mayors, right, and
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: we could see a you know, we're going to find
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: out where the black vote goes in LA. It's one
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: of the reasons why so many people assume Karen bass
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: is going to survive or socialist challenge because black voters
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: in general have not been as open to the DSA
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: or to progressivism. And so that's the that's it, that's
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: the game, right and and well it's.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Your Jesse point. That's why Jesse was so powerful in
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Michigan because he has the liberal candidate and the black VP,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: that's right, and we don't have that in this It's
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: what made Obama.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: You know, Obama had the black vote, which is not
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: as left, you know, it's more of a totally as
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: we now learned, the black vote is slightly to the
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: right of the average Democrat, certainly social day yes on
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: the ideological scale. And Obama had both progressives in African Americans,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: which made is you know, and that is why that
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: is why I'm a little bit of an AOC skeptic, right,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: That is why I am probably a bit higher on
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Wes Moore than others, are You know, so it is
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: it is, this is right.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: If you can combine those two things, it's very powerful
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: in a Democratic win.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: In the to win as a Democrat in Michigan, you've
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: got it goes through detroiting and suburbs. And I will
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: say that, look, we I think we know the look
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: the Republicans are going to target Michigan no matter what
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: m h They will spend a hell of a lot
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: more money if I'll do all sight.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: So that's what I was going to ask you, is
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: we you know, we spend a lot of time talking
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: about all the Republican seats in Texas, Iowa, North Carolina, right, Maine.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: We don't spend as much time talking about the Democratic seat.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Some of that is because us off in Georgia is running,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: it's been put away and New Hampshire is New Hampshire
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: feels like a different cycle. Maybe it's competitive, but not
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: this cycle.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: I I feel like the right cycle for it.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: But Michigan not one.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Two former Republican senators in that prom.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Michigan is one that I think Democrats might overlook at
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: their peril. Uh, what do you make of a mic
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Rogers abdul l Sia general Now to your outsider insider
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: point Al saied would definitely be the outside of the right.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Rogers is a former member of Congress. He's serving the
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Trump administration.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Right, Like, it's not lost on me that the last
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: time a Republican has won a Senate seat in Michigan,
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: I want to.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: See sus Spence Abraham nineteen ninety four. Yeah, that's what
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: I was going to get. I think so because then
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Stavnow beats him in two thousand, right, and right, and
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: then and then because Carl Levin had the other seat.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Right, one of the best Republican years ever, and you know,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: and Spence I think narrowly.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: I mean he won by a look, but he didn't
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: win by a lot. So look, I think that.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: I was never Look, Michigan was a state that I
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: was not as high on as a battleground state until
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Trump carried it in sixteen. Like Michigan always felt of
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: the blue wall states. The way Ohio was starting to
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: flirt with the right, it felt like Michigan was starting
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: to become more light blue than totally purple. Yes, and
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: then of course we saw you know, look the blue
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: collar trades, right, and this is what's made Michigan in Wisconsin.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: What has kept them right? These were basically light blue
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: states during the Obama era because Obama was still getting
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: the union, the blue the blue collar trades. We're still
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: supporting Democrats over Republicans. That's been the big shift, which
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: is what's made both of those states a bit more.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Move back towards the competitive That the problem.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: From Mike Rogers, He's been a conventional Republican. Are not
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: very pro union right now, more pro union than the
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: average Republican in Congress back in teans, but not super
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: not not not not super so. So you know, I
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: I think I'm dol Saied can win in this political
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: environment too.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: But you're right, it will be more money order, it
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: is harder and it's more expensive, and it's Ken Paxton.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Then maybe it's interesting here.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: I mean the Graham Platner and abdul sa Yet if
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: they're both nominees, there is right of course, one will
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: win and one will lose, so we won't have a
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: clean no trends have it right, We want to have
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: the clean there. But if both win and both lose,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: they they're both are those are both have seismic impacts, right,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: both scenarios the scenario that totally paralysis. Is that one
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: one wins and one yeah, because if you can draw
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: your own conclusion, they both lose generals or they both
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: win generals. Yes, it's going to have a dramatic impact
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: on donors, okay, and the donors have it right, and
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: it's going to you know, you will see if they
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: both win, you will see a lot of mainstream Democrats
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: and donors suddenly deciding to go and potentially for down
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: the You go find the most pro business progressive they
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: can find to support.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: You know, it used to be the same.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Group of donors was always looking for the most electable
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: conservative who was always the code word, right, who is
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: the most elections?
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Produced George W. Bush? Right, I mean that was the
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: that was the process that produced George W. Bush.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: And so whether that is a a a whether that's
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: where primary voters are going to want to have a debate.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: I don't, right, is that wes Moore or is that AOC?
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: I think that's a very well looks more and wes
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Moore is not a wes Moore. It is not a liberal. Right,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: wes Moore is to the right of Barack Obama. And
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: when is he Okay, quick sideball. Is Wes Is Wes
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: more more just un issues? Is Wes more and more
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: conservative than Gavin Newsome? Is wesre more conservative than Josh Shapiro.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: That's a good question.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: It's close. That's fine. I think Shapiro and more and
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Basher I was gonna say that was the other one
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: I was going to ask.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: I think, is he more of them are ninety? I
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: think if if Wes Moore were white, you would say
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: there was very little distinction.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Between Andy Basheer, Josh Shapiro and Wes.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Moore, right. And I think if you talk to progressives
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: in Maryland, they'll say, yeah, Wes Moore is no progressive,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: you know sort of thing.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, I will remind people he was he vetoed
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: the he vetoed the Reparations Act that had passed the
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: past the Maryland State House and Senates like it's what
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: he really is.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Is a constitutionalist, okay, which is what why I think
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: that it's possible that the line, the dividing line between
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: the progressive left and the sort of mainstream liberal whatever
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: you want to call it, ye will be do these
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: institutions need to exist? Or do we need to blow
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: them up?
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Do we need to tear everything down or is there
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: something to be.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: As not a blow him up person? Gavin Newsom is
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: going to probably morph into whatever he thinks can work.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Correct. What if he thinks it's just a reality?
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: I just think that that's his comfort zone.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Are Westmore's politics different than Hillary Clinton's politics in
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: any meaningful way? See?
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: I don't think they are.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: I don't either, which is fascinating because the way in
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: which they are positioned is not the same.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, he's he's he's pretty grounded in his faith.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: He reminds me of her politics. I'm not saying he broach.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: You know, she was always what i'd call small sea conservative.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: That's so she was raised, correct, I mean so is
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: and Wes Moore in his own way, he's military, military school, military,
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: So there's a discipline of about him that he believes it,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: and he believes in discipline. He believes in these institutions.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: So that's why I don't think he'll ever be a
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: comfortable progressive rabble wauser. That's not who he is. And
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Wes Moore is the guy, and Josh Shapiro and Andy Basheer,
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: these are guys that are not rabble rousers. They're here
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: to clean up messes.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: M Yeah, it's the whole get shit done thing, right,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: That's the.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Shapiro and I think we're going to watch Gavin Newsom JB.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Pritzker both probably drift more into the let's blow it up.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: We need to rebuild these things.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: And you know, Pritzker is the guy that I the
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: guy that I think is.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: A bit overlooked. I think he's going to be I look,
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: like I said, he is taking control of his own
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: state party, which that's a big deal.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Juliana Stratton thing I thought was a you know, and
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: not insignificant feather in his cap.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: You know, he's got his own wealth, so he can
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: go as own direction. Yep, he's got a He's probably
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: going to be the most you know, Gavin vetoed bills
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: that JB. Pritzker would have signed.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: That's right, you mean record. He'll probably have the most
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: progressive record.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Rasper's record will be to the left of news Yes, because.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: I think it is to the left of Newsong, and.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: I think he will push himself as the progressive of
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: the record. There's you know, the AFC talks a big game,
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Bernie talks a big game. Look what I've but I've
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: done and I'm also not a part of the establishment.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: And in fact, you know, the most interesting thing about
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: him that I wonder he was the Illinois Democrat who
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: was for Clinton in twenty oh eight. Did you know that?
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: No, that's fascinating. I mean I would assume, excuse me,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: because of his family. They have been donors to Bill
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: and they but still, so that's fascinating, Baba.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Now that tells me because I you know, his toughest
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: critic on the Democratic side, or all the ex Chicago
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Obama yep.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, as you know Axel and the the crooked guys
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: who are all Obama people. Its a while and so
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: there's no doubt that interesting they'll being different. So I
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: think I wonder if that's an asset to him or
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: I know, I don't know.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: We're gonna find out, and then you know, and then
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: you've got Pete, who I thinks I think the baggage,
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: the Biden baggage, is heavier than he thinks it is.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: I totally agree. Yeah, we'll find out. You mentioned Platner.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: So I'm like looking around the internet today and I
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: will say this as of when we are taping this
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: which is early afternoon Monday. All of the things that
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: I have seen are kind of like from these accounts
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: where I'm like, hmm, this person is definitely not a reporter.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: This person is may not be in a position no,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: but they're like another big potential grand Platner story is
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: dropping in Maine. He's canceled his events for today Monday.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: We do not have enough information to talk about that,
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: at least verified information to talk about that right now,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: but I will I will ask you this Chuck basically
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: looks like a toss up right now. When you look
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: at the polling Collins has gained. You know, it's now
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: basically forty nine forty seven one way or the other?
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: Is my.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Are we gonna look back? What are the chances we're
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: going to look back? Certainly Democrats will look back and say,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: holy shit, we we we snatched defeat from the jaws
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: of victory here with Platner. I'll remind people one more week, yeah,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: that Platner can drop out of the race and be
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: replaced by the state Party committee. July thirteenth is the deadline.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: What do you make of him?
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I was just reading our update on Donald Trump's
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: ability to manipulate FIFA, and it looks.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: We can talk about that. Yes, he took credit for
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: it today. Yeah.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: No, And.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: And they basically upheld the ruining after Belgium officially.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Surprisingly enough, they went with Donald Trump in the US
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: over Belgium. Who could have thought that that would happen?
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Look, it's interesting there's the woman who I
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: guess is there's a lot more people supposedly talking somebody
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: who had endorsed him and then pulled her endorsement, and
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: she's now decided to be actively pretty tough on him.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: And you're right, it's literally a week as you said,
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: July sixth, it's July thirteenth, I think is the deadline now, Yes,
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: and it's pretty.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: He would have to remove his name, by the way,
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: for people, he can't be kicked off here, but he
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: can remove.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: His name if it's just about a Senate seat. It's
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: a total no brainer, because yeah, you got to get
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: rid of air right, generic democrat. I promise you probably
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: leads her by ten right, Okay, maybe even more, there's
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: no doubt in my mind. So literally you just get
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: John Baldotci whatever I mean, you.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Get this post it note and run the Democrat a
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: year like this.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't do Jenna Bills right, not what do
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: you get.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: Whoever finished, or you get you get whoever finished like
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: a second third or fourth in the governor's race or whatever.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean, there are plenty of Democrats. Looks
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: like the person who's got the best shot at losing
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: the Senate seat is good fire, okay, And and the
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Democrat yes right, yep.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: So if you're just looking at it as a pure
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: take a motion out of it. Now, you know there
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: is a lot.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: There is.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: You know, you've you've got to if you're gonna, well
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: put it this way. If he voluntarily agrees to get out,
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: then that then the information has got to.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Be just oh hell, yeah, it must be really bad
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: because look.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: At what he's been willing to not just not him
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: his wife right, put his wife through right, Like yeah,
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: I mean you know look, and that's the thing, you know,
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: it's funny. If Platner wins, it'll be like, yeah, that's
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: how badly Maine wanted to get rid of Susan Collins.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: And if Platner loses, it'll be like, yeah, the Democrats
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: got the wrong candidate. You know it won't be given
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: credit that Susan.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: Susan Collins is a good candidate. Yeah I would. I
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: just I did a thing with Alex Siteswald, who's now
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: up there the edits the editor of the Mid Coast Villager.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Used to be at NBC, you obviously know, but for
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: people who don't used to work in NBC, And he
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: made that exact point. He's like, look like this idea
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: that everyone in Maine hates Susan Collins and that Susan
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Collins is this old lady. He's like, it's just not
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: born out, like if you live up here, Like, it's
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: just's he's not making the argument it's not gonna be
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: a close race, but he's like, people give Susan Collins
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: has basically been underrated in every single election she's running.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Everyone is predicted she's going to lose. And what is
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: she done when, over and over and over again, if
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: you win every election since nineteen ninety six for the Senate,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: you're doing something. There's something inherently about you.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: People like, look, her biggest problem is Donald Trump, right yep.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: And you know she's got a pretty anti Trump record
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: for a Republican. I mean, how many other Republicans running
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: for reelection have voted to convict him twice? She voted
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: twice to conviction.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: She certainly was in the second one for sure. I
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: don't know about the Ukraine one, but certainly in the
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't remember the vote on that. She
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: was definitely one of the seven who voted to convict
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: him after January six, no question about that. And I
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: believe she voted against I know she's obviously everyone knows
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: she voted for Britt Kavnaugh. But I believe, weirdly she
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: voted against Damy Cody Barrett.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: She I think she stood on Sarah. She made a
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: pledge that she wasn't going to confirm anybody that was
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: nominated within Oh it.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Was a time window thing.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, I think so she acquitted him on the first two.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, but she was one of the seven who voted. Yeah,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: you're right. In a year where Trump is not so
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: unpopular and the wind is blowing so strongly in Republicans' face,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: she probably wins again. Yeah, but I love that line.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: The person who is the best chance of losing the
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: Senate seeds grand Platter. That's exactly right. I mean, that's
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: the how could you debate that at this point.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: By the way, I want to give a little consumer
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: tip oh to reading some of the polls that are
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: out m h and why is there You may ask yourself,
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: why does Fox News show polling in one place and
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: the New York Times show it? Yep, right, The Times
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: polls show Republicans doing better than much better for Republicans
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: in the Senate, and is.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: What people need to understand what the Times is doing.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: The Times is not doing the snapshot in time type
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: of polling that we're all used to. They're forecasting. That
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're not serving in the moment, but they're
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: forecasting towards what they believe the electorate's going to look
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: like in November. So this is why you've seen the
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: first poll in two months to show John Houston.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say the Republican ahead in versus what
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: Fox is doing because they're not spending The Times is
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: spending enormous amounts of money.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: Huge sums of money trying to get this right.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: I mean that price is not Look, Sienna is a
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: wonderful partner and vehicle for them, but this really is
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: the work of Nate cone and how much money they're
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: investing in this, and no news organization has ever put
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: this kind of money. No, I applug them for it
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: and trying I do too. Yep, but people are you
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: want to talk about taking poles and literally comparing apples
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: to oranges, Comparing the Times poll to other poles is
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: apples and oranges. It is why here's my you know,
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: consistent warning why averaging poles is usually more of a
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: of a mistake than it is a help. Because literally
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: you've got The Times, which is forecasting, okay, and you've
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: got Fox which is snapshot and time polling, and both
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: are both polls can be correct and show.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: Both meet a scientific level of credicality. It's not garbage,
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: they're just different. Both can be accurate.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: But the Times is trying to limit the sort of
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: because right now Democrats are more enthusiastic. So if you do,
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: you know, if you don't match to the voter file perfectly,
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: you're going to get a Democratic It's going to be.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: This is why you know all the.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: PPP polls and the Change Research polls all show good
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: news for the Democrats when they put those numbers out,
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: because they're doing snapshot and Time polling, which right now,
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: Democrats are the ones more attention, Democrats are the ones
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: more enthusiastic.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: You.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: So there's about a two to four point almost de
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: bias that you see pop up in some of these polling.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: And now I think the Times might be over correcting
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: on how good the Republican turnout is going to be
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: correct but they're But that's the point is that you're
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: The point is these Times polls really do tell you
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: just how close the these elections are going.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: That's exactly that was my takeaway. These Senate seats, it's
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: going to be in Iowa and Ohio and Alaska. They're
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: not going to win by ten. It's going to be
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: about what I remind people outside of North Carolina, which
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: Trump won by three, I don't. I'm trying to think
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: if there's any other Senate seat we're talking about where
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: Trump won by single digits in twenty twenty four, Right,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: he won Texas by double digits, Alasta by double digits,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: Iowa by double jee's Ohio I think he might have won.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: I will say it.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: The Michigan development, the fact that Michigan could could could
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: really be now fully in play for the Republicans. It
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: puts a pre Democrats need to go find another seat
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: into the into the into the top ten for them, Right,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: they've got.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: I think Kansas is the one that jumps out to
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: me so one people mention to me the most because
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: of Adam Hamilton. Yeah, and uh and Roger Marshall's not great. Right,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: you've got I Kansas is intriguing to me. Mississippi is
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: still one that I don't want to ignore. And I
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: have to tell you, I know once bitten twice shy,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: but the Jamie and Jamie Harrison and Andrew it's just
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: like a real candidate who raised real money, US a profile.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: The two the two women doctors Amy acted in Annie
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: Andrews running in red states in places that Democrats have
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: been underperforming. I don't know, man, they're both. It's interesting
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: to me. They're intriguing to me. I'll tell you you don't.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: Put your home state of Florida on their Chuck has
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: like a vinman's gonna haven't. So you've been in South Carolina,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Mississippi are more likely.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: I had this conversation with John.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: The giant Democratic donor for people who don't not.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: A Democratic donor anymore he will for some Democrats.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: I thought he was.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: He started a third party called the common Grounders, and all,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: let's shus you what I know now, Yes, he definitely
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: is more left leaning than right leaning. But you know,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: he said something about Vinman that struck me. He says, Look,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: he says, in theory, Vinman's competitive candidate. He goes, but
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: what do you know about his relationship to the state
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: of Florida? And I said, doesn't have any I presume
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: it's a parachute and you know, I know we're used
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: to our snowbirds in Florida and for parachuting in but
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: I have no Like Vinman feels like an alien that
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: just came there.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: And you're like, I'm going to run here, and.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: I just do I expect, Look, I expect the governor's
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: race to be awfully close. I think, Jolly, you do,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: I do. I think Jolly's running a very good old
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: school race with sort of an old school team behind him.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: I think Byron Donald's is about as overrated as they come.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: That doesn't mean he's got a lot of money, that's it.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: That's exactly right, but kind of he's never taken a
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: punch before in a competitive race.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: No, because the districts he's running are always are not
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: competitive at general elections.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: Right, It's why, it's why I was so skeptical about
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: Tim Scott when he ran for president. Yeah, I can't
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: take a pun.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: Never never been in a competitive in a real race.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: By the way, you know who else has never been
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: in a competitive race except for her twenty ten Attorney
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: general race, Kamala Harris Harris. And it's the same problem, right,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, and uh so, I I think you so.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: I think there's a there's I expect the governor's race
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: to be closer than the Senate races.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's interesting about Florida. The thing is, the
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: Vitman case is easy in that. Okay, he'll have a
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: ton of money, Ashley mood he is an appointed senator.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: Maybe DeSantis is turning of Florida. Read is the pendulum
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: will start swinging back. You just don't buy it.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: I do I buy that the pendulum is going to
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: swing back.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: I mean in this particular rights, the governor's race is
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: more acute, nobody's The senate race is just people are
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: oblivious and they're going to just vote what they we vote,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: how do we vote?
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: Honey?
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: The governor's race is going to be between two people.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: Senate race is going to be between two parties, and
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: that ye went a race between two parties and Florida.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: But they can win a race between two people, and
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: that's what I would That's kind.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: That's interesting.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: Split, that's interesting. That split that there, it's like in
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: a reverse, it's it's it's probably we'll explain why, Ken.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: Paxton, do you have I don't really, but do you
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: have a big thought on the full fuller in Balligan
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: red card rescinment. We are now six hours from the
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: US playing Belgium. Trump claiming like I don't know what
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: to do. It should be the perfect story for me.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: It's soccer and politics. It's like right my wheelhelsing. Yet
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't really know what to think.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: Look, all I will say is I think the lesson
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: is and I tried to it, and I'm gonna have
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: even more to say about this because I think.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: There are there's there's some supporters.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: Of Trump who know he's a crook and who rationalize
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: their support for him by saying, yeah, I know he's
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: a crook, but I want a crook representing me to
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: deal with the other crooks in politics. I think the
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: whole total history is crooked. So I'd rather have somebody
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: who plays by, plays dirty representing me.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: It's the vote for the crook. It's important Edwin Edwards
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: against David Duke.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: And so you're look, we're seeing what is it? What
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: is the upside of having a corrupt president. He's willing
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: to corrupt any organization, correct, that's necessary to get his way,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: and he was willing. No American president would have done
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: what Trump did. They would have thought it was inappropriate
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: for an American president to intervene.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: On a because it is inappropriate for an American incident.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, let's be honest. I know it worked out
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: in our favor, but that doesn't change the fact.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: And so the irony, I'm gonna stereotype soccer fan American
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: soccer fans, but I think most American soccer fans lean left.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: I think that's right.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty there's some data that put.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: The European mentality.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: And the irony and left fans that are just sort
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: of going to close their eyes and not totally accept
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: this corruption because it benefits them. So this is the warning.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: Just because corruption initially benefits you doesn't mean down the
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: road that corruption isn't going to punish you.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: This is the case we've been making for Republicans forever, Chuck,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: and it works for you now. Yeah, a bunch of
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: executive orders in the radical expansion of the executive branch
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: as great when the Republicans are what I mean.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: So if if if America wins this match there and
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: and Falgon scores, sure, right, you know, Belgium's never going
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: to accept the PREMI us right read one. Whatever, you know,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: I'm you know, I worry about just we're testing karma.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: You know, somehow he you know, somehow he trips over
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: a sprinkler head and he ends up not being able
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: to play because he's a or. And you're like, yeah,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: Karma's you know. I may not I may not believe
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: in and uh, I may not have the I may
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: have my own debates about about religious facts. I don't believe.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: There are many they are stories, and that is what
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: they are, and and and there there's some good moral
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: lessons to learn from these stories. Don't get me.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: Wrong, But you're a Karma believer. But the point is
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: is that like I'm not quite a karma believer, but
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: it does. All I will say is.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: It's inevitable that in politics and life, what goes around
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: comes around. Yes, And it's inevitable in politics and in
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: life that that when you when you go down a
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: corrupt road, so will your opponents, of course, and you
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: will eventually. Just because you win in a corrupt fashion
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean you figured out how to win, And it
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: does mean you've probably incentivized somebody else to be more
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: corrupt than you. And this is you know, this is unfortunate.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: So I just it's.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's like FIFA and Trump being corrupt together.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: Who could have could have waits for sale? It reminds
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: me that awesome meme of when the worst person you
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: know makes a really good point. That's how I feel
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: like the soccer community in America is responding to Trump.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: It's like they don't like Trump and yet they want
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: Balligan to play. So it's like and they thought the
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: red card.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: Was bad and the way he's a birthright citizen.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, totally true. I totally true.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: I mean I guess that's the that's the that's what
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: the liberal soccer fans are hanging their hat on. Well, look,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: we made them support earth right citizen.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: Oh god, and sometimes I really wish we could separate
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: politics and sports back out quick match talk we have.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: Sure, I went by the way I went.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: I went.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: I did some hot takes on Lebron in my pott.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: Oh you did on where he should go? Uh, or
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: just on how he's handling his Well, first of all,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: the decision part ten.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: I think Rich Paul Man that whiteboard was genius.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, man, Rich, who is an incredible content creator.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: No, and and in fact, Simmons got me paranoid. Of
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: the Simmons advice would be to pull a Roger Clements
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: and just show up in January.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: January and you want to presumably you want him to
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: go back to the heat.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: I assume that's going to happen.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm disappointed that the Wizards on the list, we're
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: not in the mix. I know, look at what you know.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: I know, I know him and A D are super tight.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: The four that I could put up before with the
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: Wizards that compete with any the four of the.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: Five totally agree the little circle. Yep.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: But my favorite part of the witch Ball whiteboard was
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: the subtle attack on Harden without saying anything about Harden,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: because on the right hand corner is this boy, no
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: Darius Garland, you know bad and you're.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: Like, no, this is not about Harden. He just really
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: loves to play with Darius Garland.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: Sure, sure, Lebron when younger than him, If I could
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: just find a way to play with Darius Garland, that
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: I'd have been at the catch. This is like the
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: last hardened team. The last person he's going to play
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: his final year in basketball with is James Harden.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 5: It would be weird for him to play with him, right, Like,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 5: I don't know, there's toil and water, right, Yeah, it's
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 5: just not going to happen. That's why I've always thought
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: the Warriors, because I think the way the Wellers play
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: fits how Lebron plays the question passing unselfishness.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: That crew.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: You know, Lebron has one problem at the NBA Afterlife table.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: If you want to believe that that exists, Okay, you
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: know what table he can't get See, he's not going
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: to get seated at the table with people with five rings.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: Kobe so is he ring chasing one more? Jordan Kareem's
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: at that table. Michael Jordan's Bill Russell, Bill Russell's at table.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: Lebron only has four? Only four, right, Len, and we
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: were talking about all time. Great, they have a nice table.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: They're just not at the head table, right, they're at
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: they're at the table. So if he's ringing, So that's
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: been the question I have. Is this about a ring?
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: Is this about enjoying his last season?
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: Is this about you know?
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: And and then the part that I was shocked that
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: Rich Paul didn't bring up that I assume is somewhat
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: of a priority is is proximity to Bryce James And
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: that's University of Arizona and there. So this is why
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: I'm a I'm if I were to put money down,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: I kind of yes, I'd love to see him back
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: with the Heat. And I actually think the Heat is
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: the only team that is currently a title contender where Lebron.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, he would make a huge difference, right, there's only
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: a huge difference on the board where James's presence transforms
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: that team. Warriors too, right.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: No chance?
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: You think even with him, they don't they're not good enough? No? Yeah?
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: And Jannis now yeah.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: Only two yeah? And then Denver you have to go
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: through Oklahoma City and and San Antonio. Never mind the
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: Minnesota pain in the ends, I think.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: The path in the East is easy. The East is
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: still easier, rightly, absolutely, especially with Celtics breaking up. And
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: I do not believe that he wants to play with
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: Jalen Brown.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: I don't buy now. I don't think as Jalen Brown
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: likes the ball. There's too many people that want the ball.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: So I look at it is does Lebron is one
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: of these guys that can play all five positions?
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Now the question is does Lebron want to
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: play in the front court of the back court? And
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: I think you and I both know.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: Where Lebron would prefer to play where I would assume
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: I assume a god yes, right, he doesn't want to
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: get around by a bunch of young athletic guy me
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: to me, then their only two choices are Denver in
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: Miami because in both places he gets to play essentially guard,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: point guard or number Maybe that's right.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: With Jamal Murray and where in either and then with
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: whoever In mind, the Sixers.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: And Beads were rarely going to play. He has to
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: play a big man role with Minnesota, they like with
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: LaMelo and ant back there this third, I's not going
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: to wall too many people who want the ball versus
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: the heat who have noball handlers.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: At the moment, I was gonna say, you play whatever
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: position he wants other than power forward, right with ma'am
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: and Yana sitting there like it. Just when you think
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: about Lebron's skill set, he fits the best I think
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: with Miami and the second best with Denver, and Denver
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: to me, with proximity to Tucson, I think kitch and
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: that kind of I want to yes that I want you.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: I totally agree. That would be fascinating and I think
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: it keeps him close enough. Yeah, he con jet to
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: the Warriors are just not going to be contender. I
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: think it would be really hard Old Draymond Stepha At
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: the end, there's no third.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: LEBRONI isn't okay, go ahead and trade for ad And
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure that that. I was going to say,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: if you get guys that only want to play fifty.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: Games, any were you? We in the Salissa household were
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: unsatisfied that James Wood had to be voted in as
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: to James Wood should be an All Star starter. Now
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: Cee Jamie Brams is an All Star starter, first since
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: Bryce Harper. For be he beat ont Mookie Bets, who,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: by the way, is not great year. I know Mookie
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: Bets is hitting lately, but he's not having year.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: But by the way, it's a reminder. In the polling,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: they put the stats, and most people want to be
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: honest about these things. Ever since people had stats, if
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: you've noticed, fan voting has gotten at least more legitimate,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: it's gotten better.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: It's not pure homerism.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: It's not as as it used to be used to
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: be that the Yankees and Dodgers always got three correct matter.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: You know what's weird now is the Blue Jays just
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: get a million starters.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: Well, it's because they it's also that is homerism with
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: thea you have an entire country correct, that's voting for
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: the for the for the Toronto players.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: But I think Wood should have been a starter, and
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: I know, I know Andy pa has has had a
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: good year. Like the three people who are starting in
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: the outfield for the National League are fine, and Wood
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: is not a great fielder.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: All these things are true, but one of the outfielders
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: would start ahead of no By the way, Corbyn Carroll
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: belongs in the star Like Corbyn, Carroll didn't get the
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: you know, the love that he deserved to do.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: But don't you is that this is Wood just not
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: a big enough figure nationally. Yet he has so many
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: of the factors that would make me think he's huge.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: He hits long home runs, look like I would think
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: he'd be a national star. But he doesn't talk. I
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: mean he's basically silent.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: You have that a little bit. He was the phenom.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: Yes he's not Bryce Harper of Yes, when he was
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: sixteen he was out on the cover of Sports Illustrated.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: I mean Soto emits charisma, yes, with with hugely charismatic
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: at that during the at bats right, if you watch
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: him hit, you can't write. You just he's just He's.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: Like Otani in that way. Even if Otani wasn't as
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: great as Utani is.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: I was in San Diego last week. I was. I
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: literally and I was far from the only one. No
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: one got up. You know, people usually get up and
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: move around in between innings. Yeah, you don't get up.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: No one got up. Otani hit after Otani hit, he
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: made Now I went to the bathroom.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: That makes sense to me, But.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: Anybody else in the NATS who should have made the
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: All Star team that you think didn't. I was. I
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: would have loved to Keeper make it, but.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: I don't think Ruiz. I think Foster Griffin is probably
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: going to get I think he will. I think he'll
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: get a Do you think Kavali will?
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: No?
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, so we have three All Stars and Foster If
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: in James Wood over five hundred, that feels about right.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: It feels about right. I mean it does like if
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: you're over five team over five hundred. You don't know
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: how happy that makes me? Chuck it does? I mean,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: look we that those pirate that it's funny.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: The state of Pennsylvania has been a bit of an
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: ass killing us, you know, between Philly and Pittsburgh. Goddamn it.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: Screw. When is the trade deadline?
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: August third?
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm very interested on the buyer seller or stand
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: pat We have been sellers for the last five or
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: six years.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: I'll give you one and you're I'm gonna say something
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: that might be sacrilege, but I trade Luis Garcia.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: You are trading high, You're trading this is his highest values.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: He cannot feel side chance. I think he deserves an
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: invite to the home run Derby. There's no doubt Wood
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to do it again. No, Garcia is the
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: hottest hitter in June, and this is right in baseball.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: And I want to see him in Citizens Bank with
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: that short porch with I know, in right with his
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: tight swing. Oh my god, he did. I wouldn't mind.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: I'd like to see.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: I think Garcia deserves an invite one and two look
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: left handed power like that. I mean the problem with
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: Luis is that he's there's not a game.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: He can't play a position. I mean, he plays first,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: but not well. But you know, if you're telling me
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: that the Dodgers want another bat to platoon, right, they do?
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: We trade Abrams or not.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: So I wouldn't trade CJ.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: And I know where I know I don't. I wouldn't either, Chuck.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, will they They think very highly of the
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: shortstops that are in our system. Sever King is a shortstop, right,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: as is will Its right and are the number one
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: overall picker's still only eighteen or whatever. I worry that
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: me too, Yeah, and I would. I would, dude. I'm
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: a big believer in take take the the proven big
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: league hitter over the nineteen year old.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: Not only that, Abrams and w are you know, there's
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: not very many African Americans. I totally in a very
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: black city and we are a we are a majority
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: African American city. I will really be disappointed if the
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: learners don't see the opportunity.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: That, totally, that's a great point gives them. Wood is
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: a local point, done good as it is from olden totally. Yep.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: And I just you know, it's interesting. I mean you look,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, arguably, the Nationals have two of the five
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: best African American players in the game right now.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: You know. The other two that you'd immediately put on
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: that list are Aaron Judge and Mookie Betts.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: Yep, you know. And then but then like Andrew McCutcheon
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: has kind of past his prime, and there's not many no,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, you have Cedric Mullins, you have Michael Harris
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: is having a good year. But that's a great point.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: It is, you know, it's it's.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: And look, I just want they should be foundational pillar big.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: I go to a lot of baseball games when I
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: go to town.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: Just to check me too, me too, And one of
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: the most diverse fan bases in baseball is the Nationals. Absolutely.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: It is amazing how white most baseball states are outside
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: of correct San Francisco, Miami and DC, like even New
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: York is a it's a wider crowd they would see
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: for any other big gathering.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: And baseball is baseball is. There's been a lot written
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: about this, but heavily it's Hispanic and Latino in white exactly.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: It is not totally. You mean, like the guy who
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: pitched against then that's yesterday Bubba Chandler from from Georgia.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, you know, you know where there
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: are no Bubba's Connecticut, Connecticut exactly what I was gonna
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: say I growing up.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: I hope there's one, but there's I don't.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: Probably one guy who goes by a you know, and
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: it's probably somebody who like originally was from the South totally.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: His parents are Southern. They moved to Connecticut for their job.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: All right, you gotta go get a plane, I do.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: I gotta go catch episode one Super Tuesdays in the book,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: subscribe every podcasts, subscribe, like and like comment he's liking
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: some send Chuck and I send Chuck and eye money
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: whatever you want to do whatever you all right, go
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: get your plate.