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Hulk Hogan's "Legacy" Ranking Steph Curry, Kobe Bryant & Kevin Durant | 7.28 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, A Wave Original.
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  Speaker 1: the top 25 athletes of the last 25 years for
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  Speaker 1: the year 2025, a little later on in the show.
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  Speaker 1: I want to lead off, you know, I think I've
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  Speaker 1: been pretty transparent with you guys. I like to be
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  Speaker 1: honest with you. I don't ever want to give you guys.
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  Speaker 1: I think this is the respect that I have for
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  Speaker 1: my audience and always have. And you may have heard
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  Speaker 1: me say this before, but it is important. I will
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  Speaker 1: never say something to you that I myself would not believe. Therefore,
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  Speaker 1: I am going to wind up being honest with you.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Right. you know I'm doing this list because it ain't
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  Speaker 1: really shit popping, right? Like you understand that I'm doing
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  Speaker 1: this because we have to, but also we are trying
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  Speaker 1: to make interesting content for you. We're not half-assing it.
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  Speaker 1: We're giving it a lot of thought, right? But the
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  Speaker 1: bottom line is there really ain't that much that is
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  Speaker 1: going on right now. So this is what we're giving you.
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  Speaker 1: With that in mind, I also realized that I was
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  Speaker 1: trying to come up with something to talk about before
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  Speaker 1: we got into the list today. And it was like, damn,
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  Speaker 1: nothing has really happened. Like a whole entire weekend happened.
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  Speaker 1: It was Hall of Fame weekend. That was cool. Shout
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  Speaker 1: out to Ichiro. Y'all ain't know he spoke that much English,
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  Speaker 1: but there he was. You know what I'm saying? I
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  Speaker 1: can only imagine how many people came in front of
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  Speaker 1: him and embarrassed themselves talking to him like it was
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  Speaker 1: a rush hour. You know what I mean? Do you
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  Speaker 1: understand the words that are coming out of my mouth?
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  Speaker 1: And you know, he speak English better than half of y'all.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, with that in mind, I'm going to talk
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  Speaker 1: to you about something that I have literally been thinking
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  Speaker 1: about all weekend. I've been thinking about it since Thursday. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Hulk Hogan died on Thursday. I think it was Thursday.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Hulk Hogan died. A lot of people did a little
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  Speaker 1: grave dancing when Hulk Hogan died. I don't think I
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  Speaker 1: danced on his grave. I may have sent a couple
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  Speaker 1: of texts that said prayers down. However, there was definite
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  Speaker 1: grave dancing. And a big part of why there was
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  Speaker 1: grave dancing was, quite honestly, people have been getting these
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  Speaker 1: Hulkamania jokes off now for a really, really, really long time.
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  Speaker 1: Like the folks in the Tweetosphere have been preparing for
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  Speaker 1: Hulk Hogan to die for a very long time. And
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  Speaker 1: all the jokes they had been getting off already, they
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  Speaker 1: were set to get off. This was just what it was, right?
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  Speaker 1: It's a whole lot of memes around it. Ryan, you
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  Speaker 1: ever seen the meme of him in the NWO get
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  Speaker 1: up and he spray-painted the N on the wall? i've
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  Speaker 1: not seen that one yeah yeah presumably in real time
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  Speaker 1: he was uh doing nwo but you know given all
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  Speaker 1: the other stuff given the things we've learned yeah yeah
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  Speaker 1: yeah you know what i'm saying right it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: like that uh that south park uh which yes people
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  Speaker 1: who annoy you yeah yes yes yes yes yes there
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  Speaker 1: we go like that's kind of what we had so
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  Speaker 1: you know we we've we've been ready for this to
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  Speaker 1: happen uh the hulkster was 71 Three score ten, baby.
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  Speaker 1: Long life. You know what I'm saying? It's not like
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  Speaker 1: he died a little earlier than he was supposed to necessarily.
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  Speaker 1: You rassling. You lived to 70. Shit, man. That's like
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  Speaker 1: being 150 years old when you think about it. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned the grave dancing because my good buddy Ethan
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  Speaker 1: Strauss wrote a column that was chastising those who chose
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  Speaker 1: to dance on Hulk Hogan's grave and to say that
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  Speaker 1: that made them look small and, you know, Ethan's my guy.
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  Speaker 1: I guess I've known Ethan now for, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: 15 years, but a very, very, very long time. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, since, you know, he started writing the stuff
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  Speaker 1: he's been writing lately, you know, I still rock with
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  Speaker 1: him because I think a lot of the stuff he
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  Speaker 1: says actually makes sense, right? The job of the columnist
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  Speaker 1: is not to make me like him, it's to make
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  Speaker 1: me think. And generally speaking, he makes me think, man,
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  Speaker 1: I hated that Hulk Hogan column so much, man. And
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  Speaker 1: I'd be trying not to do this because I know
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  Speaker 1: how patronizing it can seem. And I started texting him
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  Speaker 1: about it. And I didn't want to seem like I
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  Speaker 1: was wagging my finger at him, but I was wagging
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  Speaker 1: my finger. I don't know if it was at him,
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  Speaker 1: but there was definitely some, it was, it was, it was,
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  Speaker 1: it was all, it was, you know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: The wagon had taken place. And the reason I wagged
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  Speaker 1: my finger about it was, I understand that everybody needs
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  Speaker 1: an angle, but under those circumstances, I think that I
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  Speaker 1: would have raised the question as to why it is
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  Speaker 1: that people feel so compelled to dance on this particular
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  Speaker 1: person's grave rather than it makes you look bad to
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  Speaker 1: dance on his grave. People know that, and I also
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  Speaker 1: do think that with the breakdown of our civility that
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  Speaker 1: is a result of having the internet in our pockets
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  Speaker 1: all of the time, that we are more inclined to
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  Speaker 1: do that. So like there's levels at which I see
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  Speaker 1: why you would choose to do that, but nah, nah, nah, nah, nah,
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  Speaker 1: not this time. And I think that there's a number
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  Speaker 1: of reasons that the Hulkster guys grave danced on, but
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  Speaker 1: Ethan and I were going back and forth about it.
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  Speaker 1: And he made a point that I thought was fairly
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  Speaker 1: interesting was one, he said he wasn't really into wrestling
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  Speaker 1: growing up, which I could totally see. And he said
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  Speaker 1: he didn't realize how many people were into Rasslin, which
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  Speaker 1: on one level I think was interesting. The other is,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how old Ethan is. I think
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  Speaker 1: I'm probably four or five years older than him. But
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  Speaker 1: that's enough of a difference in age that the significance
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  Speaker 1: of what Rasslin was was different in his childhood than
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  Speaker 1: it was in mine.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a larger age gap, me and you.
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  Speaker 2: And I understood Hulk Hogan as a Mount Rushmore wrestler.
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  Speaker 2: I did not understand how famous Hulk Hogan was.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so that is interesting for you to say. Because
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  Speaker 1: here's what I did not realize until fairly recently. And
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  Speaker 1: like reading different books and watching the Mr. McMahon doc
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  Speaker 1: that Netflix did. Because I stopped watching wrestling sometime in
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  Speaker 1: the 90s because, duh, I turned 12. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying? You motherfuckers is really still out here watching wrestling.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about you, Lance. I love you. The
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  Speaker 1: rest of you guys, like, I'm just kind of like,
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  Speaker 1: you know how I feel about y'all watching wrestling, especially
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  Speaker 1: those of y'all who get sensitive when I call it wrestling.
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  Speaker 1: How dare you? You watching wrestling and you're mad I
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  Speaker 1: call it wrestling? Anyway, I didn't quite realize that the
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  Speaker 1: wrestling of my very small age childhood, was the beginning
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  Speaker 1: of the rise of wrestling, right? So I don't remember
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  Speaker 1: WrestleMania one or two. I do remember WrestleMania three.
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  Speaker 2: Well, did you see the number of how many people
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  Speaker 2: watch that?
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  Speaker 1: Uh, the WrestleMania three, I know it's like 80,000 people
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  Speaker 1: in the joint.
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  Speaker 2: They aired a replay on NBC and 33 million people
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  Speaker 2: watched it. Wow. Okay. That's how big Hulk Hogan was.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they realized that. It's partly him. It's partly Rasslin.
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  Speaker 1: It's all of this. But Ethan raised this question to
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  Speaker 1: somebody who was not really into Rasslin. And he was asking,
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  Speaker 1: why was Hulk Hogan such a big deal? Why did
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  Speaker 1: people love Hulk Hogan so much? And I have spent
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  Speaker 1: the last 96 hours and change trying to come up
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  Speaker 1: with an answer to that question. And I do not
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  Speaker 1: have it. We all in everything I read stipulated that
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  Speaker 1: he was a giant, enormous pop culture figure, that he
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  Speaker 1: was the most famous of all the wrestlers. I did
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  Speaker 1: not see anything that I thought gave a real explanation
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  Speaker 1: as to why it was that this guy was that
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  Speaker 1: popular and that famous, right? Because the thing is, you
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  Speaker 1: got to win over your block before you can win
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  Speaker 1: over your region, before you can win over your country,
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  Speaker 1: before you can win over the world, right? In this case...
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  Speaker 1: I'm using the block as being Rasslin'. Like he had
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  Speaker 1: to win over Rasslin' to move into this bigger world
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  Speaker 1: of pop culture fame, right? How exactly he won over Rasslin',
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  Speaker 1: and I mean the Rasslin' fans, not the machinations of
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  Speaker 1: the Rasslin' business, right? Just winning over and becoming such
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  Speaker 1: a popular Rasslin' fan. Vince can't make you like who
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  Speaker 1: you like or not like who you want to like. Like,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't work that way, right? Those crowds who loved
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  Speaker 1: the Hulkster were real. We all acknowledge that he was
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  Speaker 1: a bad wrestler. Okay, right? We all generally stipulate that
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  Speaker 1: he was a bad wrestler. And the majority of the
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  Speaker 1: really popular wrestlers are good wrestlers. He wasn't exactly the
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  Speaker 1: coolest wrestler. I mean, he ain't no Ric Flair, right?
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  Speaker 1: We also wind up with that part. He's not really
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  Speaker 1: that guy. And low-key, his character was a little bit corny. Right?
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  Speaker 1: The training, the prayers, and the vitamins, even though we
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  Speaker 1: found out that the vitamins, you couldn't buy them in stores.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Like, he out here telling you,
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  Speaker 1: take vitamins to get as big as me. Meanwhile, he
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  Speaker 1: putting his pants down and putting his booty out.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Neither here nor there. So why exactly is it that
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  Speaker 1: we had so much affection for the Hulkster? Right? And look,
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  Speaker 1: that's the question that gets us to the grave dancing
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  Speaker 1: because the grave dancing came around because people found it,
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  Speaker 1: this is my belief, that people found it to be
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  Speaker 1: so disappointing when you found out like the depths of
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  Speaker 1: Hulkamania's racism. Like that was tough for a lot of people.
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  Speaker 1: Like I can't, I can't begin to explain to the
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  Speaker 1: majority of you what the heel turn of 1996, where
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  Speaker 1: Hulkamania got down with the NWO was. It was grown
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  Speaker 1: men crying. It was like finding out that Santa Claus
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  Speaker 1: was a pimp. Like the L's wasn't really doing it
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  Speaker 1: because they wanted to. The L's was out here on
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  Speaker 1: the stroll, right? It was jarring for people. And this
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  Speaker 1: is with the understanding that wrestling is not real. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: This is with the understanding that wrestling is scripted.
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
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  Speaker 1: Even with that understanding, people were heartbroken because somehow, some way,
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  Speaker 1: even after we found out that the vitamins wasn't vitamins, right?
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  Speaker 1: There was a level of trust and care that people
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  Speaker 1: had for this character to the place where they did
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  Speaker 1: not believe it was a character. And again, I don't
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  Speaker 1: really understand why we cared so much about this dude
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  Speaker 1: in the first place, right? Now, there was very solid
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  Speaker 1: positioning of him given the times of the 80s and
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  Speaker 1: going into the 90s, right? Like Hulk- Hogan was a
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  Speaker 1: Captain American sort of figure, right? You got to fight
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  Speaker 1: in the Irish Sheik when we don't rock with Iran, right?
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  Speaker 1: We don't rock with Soviet Union. He was out here
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  Speaker 1: fighting Nikolai Volkov. Man, they had to make Sergeant Slaughter
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  Speaker 1: an Iraqi. You know what I'm saying? I know that's
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  Speaker 1: not how you say them words, man, but we talking
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  Speaker 1: about wrestling. They don't say shit right over there. So anyway,
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  Speaker 1: Sergeant Slaughter, he pledged Iraqi and then Hulk Hogan was
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  Speaker 1: going against him and various fake Iraqis they put on
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  Speaker 1: his side. Apparently, somehow, this is amazing, the Iron Sheik
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  Speaker 1: was with Iran and then he switched teams to play
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  Speaker 1: for Iraq. They had just been in a war like
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  Speaker 1: the year before. Wrestling, different shit. But anyway, Yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: put Hulk Hogan on the sides of these people and
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  Speaker 1: everything else. But the magnitude of the star in a
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  Speaker 1: wrestling and out of wrestling. When I was a kid,
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  Speaker 1: and maybe this was part of it, right? Like, this
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  Speaker 1: is what I've stopped and thought about. One thing that
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  Speaker 1: I thought they did a great job of with the
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  Speaker 1: Hulkster when I was younger, it felt like he never
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  Speaker 1: wrestled unless you paid $ 20 to watch him. Like, he
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  Speaker 1: wasn't on All-American Wrestling on USA. He wasn't on WWF
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  Speaker 1: Superstars on the weekend. He might come out there. He
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  Speaker 1: might do some talking. But you ain't never really get
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  Speaker 1: to see the Hulkster wrestling. It felt like the Macho
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  Speaker 1: Man was wrestling four times a week on TV. You
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  Speaker 1: never saw the Hulkster. The Hulkster held the title down
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  Speaker 1: for four years in a row. It was like he
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  Speaker 1: was FDR. He was like wrestling dictator or whatever. He
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  Speaker 1: was like the king. He was never going anywhere. And
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  Speaker 1: then when he finally lost his championship, it was because
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  Speaker 1: they cheated and then they had a whole tournament where
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  Speaker 1: it was a chance that he could get the whole
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  Speaker 1: thing back. Every time the Hulkster came to the ring,
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  Speaker 1: it took him five minutes to even wrestle. If he
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  Speaker 1: was going to wrestle, they played that whole real American
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  Speaker 1: song because it took him all that time to get
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  Speaker 1: out there. He'd be in the ring doing that and
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  Speaker 1: that to everybody and he'd rip off his shirt. He
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  Speaker 1: did the whole night.
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  Speaker 2: It was amazing.
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  Speaker 1: And again, what exactly was it that we were here for?
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  Speaker 2: It was.
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  Speaker 1: It was... Stunning how high the Q rating for Hulkamania was.
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  Speaker 1: Stunning how high the Q rating was. And I still
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  Speaker 1: don't have a great answer, right? Like when I used
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  Speaker 1: to do radio in Raleigh, you know, it was the
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  Speaker 1: year 2008 when I started doing it. Divided times in
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  Speaker 1: America or whatever. A lot of white people didn't really
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  Speaker 1: like the idea of me doing that show. I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: there was some black people who didn't either, but they
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  Speaker 1: didn't feel like calling me and telling me about it
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  Speaker 1: every day. You know what I'm saying? And so they
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  Speaker 1: called me, tell me I was racist, tell me I
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  Speaker 1: was this, tell me I was that. And then one
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  Speaker 1: day I had Ric Flair on as a guest and
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  Speaker 1: the guy told me that if I had Ric Flair on,
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't have been so bad. You know what I'm saying?
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: Wrestling is like sandwich shops, right? You go to the
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  Speaker 1: sandwich shop, it's a little bit of everybody in there, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like there is no one particular demographic really when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to that. Rasslin, very similar, especially since most of
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  Speaker 1: us watched it as kids. But anyway, Rasslin I figured
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  Speaker 1: out as the device was a bit unified. Every now
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  Speaker 1: and then, when I just wanted to give everybody a
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  Speaker 1: pick-me-up and us all feel good, I knew a few
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  Speaker 1: things that could work, right? And one of them invariably
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  Speaker 1: was that real American song that the Hulkster would come
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  Speaker 1: to the ring to. And to this day, even after
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  Speaker 1: we found out everything about the Hulkster, you played a
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  Speaker 1: real American song, I'm about to be jamming up in here.
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  Speaker 1: Like it goes to a place inside me. And look,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have been paying much
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  Speaker 1: attention to me when I talk about my upbringing, but
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  Speaker 1: I did not grow up in a house raised by
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  Speaker 1: a man that was really out here putting off for
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  Speaker 1: the real American. And what the hell is a real
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  Speaker 1: American anyway? He said that he was fighting for the
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  Speaker 1: rights of every man. We know goddamn well Hulk Hogan
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  Speaker 1: wasn't doing that.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: But you play that song, man. I'm right here. The
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  Speaker 1: dude that made that song, his other song is called
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  Speaker 1: Rock and Roll Hoochie Cootie. Does that sound like what
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  Speaker 1: I'm about? Does that sound like what I came from?
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  Speaker 1: Hell no. But you start playing that and we all
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  Speaker 1: start jamming. Like he was that unifying sort of figure.
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  Speaker 1: Was he just that good on the mic? Because anybody...
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  Speaker 1: You do a hunk of mania impression in writing. All
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  Speaker 1: you got to do is put the word brother at
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  Speaker 1: the end of something. I know exactly how it sounds.
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  Speaker 1: All of us do. All of us do. It is
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  Speaker 1: across the board. I don't know how many people that
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  Speaker 1: we can truly say this about. Right. Like I can't
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  Speaker 1: think of a song that as many people know the
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  Speaker 1: words to as people know if you go, what you're
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  Speaker 1: going to do, brother.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how. for somebody that people
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  Speaker 1: in his real life didn't seem to like that much.
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  Speaker 1: What we found out later, people didn't seem to like
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  Speaker 1: that much. And even at the time, he wasn't the rock.
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  Speaker 1: The rock was hilarious, right? The rock is like every...
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  Speaker 1: So how did we get here? I don't have an
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  Speaker 1: answer to that. I'm not here to give you an answer.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, I thought it was fascinating that
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  Speaker 1: I still could not come up with why it is
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  Speaker 1: because I wanted to come up better with why it
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  Speaker 1: was to explain to Ethan that to give him an
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  Speaker 1: explanation for why it hurts so bad for a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people when you found out what the Hulkster was about.
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  Speaker 1: And I know for black people, hey, man, we don't
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  Speaker 1: necessarily want to be, you know, admit this and understand
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  Speaker 1: how it sounds. But it's the truth, man. It's a
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  Speaker 1: special kind of pain when you feel like you got
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  Speaker 1: a white homie and then you find out he kicking
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  Speaker 1: it like your granddaddy told you. You know what I'm saying? Like,
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  Speaker 1: it's rough when you find that out. It's a unique
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: sort of sting and betrayal that you get in those moments, right? However,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: we know things about Ric Flair that aren't so great.
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  Speaker 1: When Ric Flair dies, we're not going to break them
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  Speaker 1: out like that. It doesn't land the same. Like, as
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: much as people like me loved Ric Flair, There's something
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: different about Hulk Hogan. It just landed completely different. It
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: just went there. It's an interesting thought, something worth considering. Now,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: I want to say one last thing about the Hulkster
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: before we move on. My buddy David Dennis wrote a
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: column for Anscaped that I thought was interesting, and it
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: was kind of sort of. in the same vein as
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: the grave dancing topic, which was his argument about Hulk
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Hogan was, because the question was, what was Hulk Hogan's legacy?
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: And I just want to take a moment to say,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: we've really gone too far when we start talking about legacy.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: The man was a play fighter for a living and
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: you talking about what his legacy is. He's not Muhammad Ali,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: all right? But the question came up as to what
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: his legacy was and David made the argument that if
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: you are a racist, that is your legacy. Right. And
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: I understood what I felt like the larger point of
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: that was. But I also think that that is absolutely
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: not true. It's true if you want it to be.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: But a legacy is not a personal idea to me.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Like a legacy is something that is really a consensus argument. Right.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: There are lots of people who have demonstrated themselves to
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: be racist, to be misogynist, to be all kinds of
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: terrible people. And that doesn't necessarily become what their legacy is, right?
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: If we were to put this into musical terms, R.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Kelly's legacy is going to be the way he treated
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: women and everything that came around it. And I said women.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: I have to say females because we're not just talking
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: about women. We're talking about girls too, right? That is
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: going to be his legacy. James Brown's legacy is not
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: beating women. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, but
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: if you were to ask somebody what the legacy of
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: James Brown is, it's not that, right? This doesn't map women.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: one-to-one in that way. But if you do exhibit those characteristics,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: if you do do things like traffic women, beat women,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: you know, do untowards, they into them, whatever, it is
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: on the board that that will be your legacy. Like
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: that is an option. With Hulk Hogan, again, it is
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: hard to have a legacy. When what we know you
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: for is play fighting. There's no substance there. OK, like
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: what is the Rock's legacy? Does the Rock have a legacy?
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: He's a very entertaining play fighter like that is not.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: That does not mean that you have a legacy. Right. But.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: When Bobby Bowden died, I did a couple of shows
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: and I did reach Rich Eisen show. And we were
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: talking about Bobby Bowden. You know, Bobby Bowden died, I
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: want to say, in 2021 and or somewhere around there.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: But anyway, Bobby apparently had been sick right around the
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: 2020 election. And he put out a statement or he
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: had a statement, it was a statement put out on
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: his behalf that said that he was doing fine and
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: he didn't have much longer to go, but that he
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: wanted to live long enough so that he could vote
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: for President Trump. With 2021, okay. Say he wanted to
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: live long enough so that he could vote for President Trump.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: He chose that as his legacy. That man said that's
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: what he wanted. In his dying days or dying weeks,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: dying months, whatever it was, that was what he wanted.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: That is how he wanted to be remembered. And I
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: have no choice but to do it. And that was
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: whack too, because people my age, I like Bobby Bowden, right?
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: But that was what we had to do. That was
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: his call. He decided that's what he wanted, right? Hogan
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: showed up at that wild rally at Madison Square Garden.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: He was implying that Kamala Harris, who he refused to
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: pronounce her name properly, right? He talked about, used her
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: name like he was one of them cats that he
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: used to wrestle against. He had opportunities to atone with
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: what he got caught saying. He didn't do that. He
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: wanted to be remembered in this way. He didn't even
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: have the wherewithal because if you look up what he
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: said about his daughter and he said his daughter was
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: dating some N-word and that he hoped that at least
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: if she was dating the N-word, it could be a
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: rich N-word like a rapper or a basketball player. And
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: all I'm saying is Kanye West had not one, but
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: two hits along that premise. And that was before he
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: went crazy, at least publicly. He wasn't the first person
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: to say something like that. Just throwing it out there.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: That being said, the example of the person that I
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: made out there bears a resemblance to a Nazi. Anyway,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: the Hulkster put that out there. He had chances to
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: be like, hey, my bad. And he was, no, no,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: that wasn't it. That wasn't it. He didn't even have
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: it in him to be like, I didn't mean it.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: And this from a man known for telling amazing lies. Ryan,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: did you know that Hulk Hogan once said that he
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: was almost made the bass player for Metallica after Cliff
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Burton died?
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: No, I never heard that one before. Yes.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Hulk Hogan. Hulk Hogan. You know that friend that be
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: saying anything.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, some people are really masters of their own delusion.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man. He'll tell any lie. He couldn't even cook
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: up a lie in this case. He couldn't even cook
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: up it wasn't me. Couldn't even do it. Couldn't even
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Didn't think he had to.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Didn't think he had to. He wanted us to think
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: this about him. And if he wanted us to think
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: this about him, then he must not have minded that
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: some people danced on his grave. That was his call.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to take a little bit more time
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: to try to figure out why I care about this
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: at all. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are back
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: to resume our list of the top 25 athletes of
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: the last 25 years and are in this year, 2025.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Now to give you guys a recap on where we
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: have gone so far. Number, let's go. Number 25 was
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Randy Moss. Number 24, Cam Newton. Number 23, Albert Pujols.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Number 22, Ray Lewis. Number 21, Tim Duncan. Number 20,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: your wild card selection. So I ain't got to hear
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: about that one person. Number 19, Katie Ledecky. Number 18,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Mike Trout. Number 17, Lamar Jackson. Number 16, Aaron Rodgers.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Just your reminder, everyone on this list was under the
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: age of 25 in the year of our Lord. 2000,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: January 1st, 2000. You were under 25 at that point.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: We are only going with North Americans here just to
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: make this an easier list for us to put together.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: We will give you five more today, and then we
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: will give you the last 10 over the course of
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks. All right. Number 15. Aaron Donald. Now,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: I recognize that this may be a surprise selection for
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: some of you on this list. And I get where
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: you're coming from. That being said, the reason that I
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: am going with Aaron Donald at number 15 is this.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Aaron Donald put himself into a position to have an
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: argument for being the greatest defensive player of his era.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: I struggle with greatest defensive player of all time in
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: a world with Lawrence Taylor and Reggie White.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Are you comfortable saying since Lawrence Taylor, or does Reggie
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: White kind of get in the way of that for you?
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah. See, I look at Reggie White and Lawrence
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Taylor as very contemporaneously overlapping, though Reggie White's career was longer.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's an argument that Reggie White was a
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: better player than Lawrence Taylor. That if you put Reggie
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: White in New York and put Lawrence Taylor in Philadelphia
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: and Green Bay, that the way that we talk about
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: them might flip-flop.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Especially with, you know, Lawrence Taylor– Being attached to Bill Belichick.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Yes. Well, to be fair, Bill Belichick.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Being attached to Lawrence Taylor.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: That's a good point. You've heard the story that Belichick
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: tells he was holding some meeting early on when he
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: had the job. And he tells Parcells that he's like, well,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Taylor was late this morning. And Belichick said, well, did
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: you wait?
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: I'm not. That's terrible. Yeah, yeah.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Like, this is what it was going to be. The
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: thing with Aaron Donald is... if the description of you
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: as a football player is that you are a rich
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: man's John Randall, you are doing a lot, right? Like
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: the undersized defensive tackle who's just operating on a Tasmanian
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: devil sort of way. Hey man, that's a, to be
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: a better version of John Randall is crazy. To be
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: a defensive player that we saw, I feel like when
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: the Rams won that Super Bowl over the Bengals and
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: that last drive, Aaron Donald won the game like a
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: quarterback wins a game on a game winning drive. Like
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: it was a game winning drive for a defensive player.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Like we would talk about Joe Montana or Tom Brady
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: having a game winning drive. And I just can't think
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: of too many people that I would speak of in
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: that same context or in that same way like he's
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: that guy did you see the the jared burst dude
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: talking about working out with aaron donald and he said
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: that he tried to find and this is after aaron
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: donald has retired and he tried to find any way
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: to get out of it because he wanted to call
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: the police it was so bad he tried to tell
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: aaron donald he had to leave to open the door
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: for his mama at his house and aaron donald wasn't
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: trying to hear.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: It i mean you that's incredible but we look at
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: aaron donald Ten years, eight first-team All-Pros, one defensive rookie
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: of the year, and in that one year, he only
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: played 11 games.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, and then he did like a Jim Brown.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Dipped.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I have nothing. What else is there for me to
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: do here, right?
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: I'm out.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I'm out. He earned his place here. Number 15 is
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, which takes us into number 14. Peyton Manning. Now, guys.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I need to start telling you some things. Okay. The
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: thing about a top 25 list is that it can
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: only have 25 people. The thing about a top 15
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: is it can only have 15 people and somebody has
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: to be number 14. That's the place where we're getting
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: to where this is really, really tough. And Peyton Manning
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: is probably the greatest regular season quarterback who has ever lived.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: You know, Aaron, Aaron Rogers is in a very similar
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: place in this competition. Um, Peyton Manning, that coach on
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: the field thing was like realer than it has ever
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: been for anybody with Peyton Manning, right? That is exactly
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: what he was in the way that he went about this.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: And I don't think that anybody's game has been more
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: about manipulating what was going on in order to get
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: the result that he was going for. One small quirky
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: thing about Peyton Manning that I don't think is talked about,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: and I think just throw it out there, I don't
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: think that there's any quarterback physically bigger than Peyton Manning
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: who is better than Peyton Manning. He's in that 6'5, 6'6,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: range where the quarterbacks don't necessarily... it gets a little
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: wonky for those guys at that point. Peyton Manning was
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: that dude. Peyton Manning, I can't explain to you guys
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: who are young what the Colts meant before he got there.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: They had a lucky year a couple years before with
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh, got them to the AFC Championship game. But
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: for my life, the Colts were booty butt cheeks. It's horrible. Horrible.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: They were terrible with Marshall Falk. You know what I'm saying?
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: They were just not it. He changed everything about the
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: way that we look at them, the way that whole
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: region looked at football. That's a basketball state that became
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: a football thing in the face of Peyton Manning. The
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: thing is, and when we start doing something at this level,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: when we start having to explain some of the margins,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: it's very simple why Peyton Manning stops here at 14,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: and that is Peyton Manning was a playoff underperformer. And
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: there's no way around it. And to me, the blessing
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: of curse and Peyton Manning was that coach on the
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: field thing. Peyton was notorious for not making any adjustments
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: to what he or the team did in the postseason
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: from the regular season. So when everybody else is cooking
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: up something new, they just out there still running that
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: same small handful of plays with the receivers lined up.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: in the same places every single time. And once you
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: got to the postseason, it's not terrible. We don't talk
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: about postseason football like we talk about postseason basketball, where
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: we think of it as just being an entirely different
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: game in basketball. But what does happen in postseason football
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: is those windows get just a little bit tighter and
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: the not excellent arm strength comes into play. And you
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: can't okey-doke them with your brain in the same way.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: So why Peyton Manning would be below the people who
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: are above him It's really the tightness of that margin.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: But he was that dude, right? He was that dude.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: The thing is that Scott Casmar, I don't know if
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: I'm pronouncing his name right. He does a lot of
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: stats stuff. And I see him on Twitter a lot.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: And his thing is, I think he's a Colts guy,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: is his big thing is that Tom Brady is the
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: luckiest quarterback of all time. And he has a point,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: not using that as shade here, but he does have
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: a point. And that we have a tendency to underrate
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: the accomplishments of Peyton Manning. And he is probably correct.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: You go look at the statistical performance and what he gave,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: especially after the neck injury. It's really, really, really, really,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: really incredible. But there's a little bit of the other stuff.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: And that's why he's at 14. All right. Coming up next,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: we have 13, 12 and 11. All right. Our next
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: three are basketball players. Number 13, Kevin Durant. Now, I'm
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: going to be honest with you. This was maybe the
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: trickiest guy for me to figure out where to put
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: him because if we lined up all the basketball players
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: in a line, right? And let's take the centers out
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: of the equation because they are, they require some different
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: things to think about and consider, right? So we getting Shaq,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: we getting Wilt, right? We getting all of those dudes
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: out of here. We are getting the centers out of here.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: And you say, okay, now pick guys. And you get
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: any player in NBA history. Number one is Michael Jordan. Okay.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I think number two is LeBron James. Ryan, I don't
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: have anybody I'm taking before Kevin Durant.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, just the logic of he's probably the
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: tallest guy out there, and he can make a shot
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: from every single place on the court.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Make a shot and more accurately get a bucket. Yeah.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Like, it's not just he's taking these shots. Oh, you
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: need me to go get a bucket? I'm going to
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: go get this bucket. And it's never looked easier than
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: it's looked when I go get a bucket. It never has.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: He is... He is the creative player in so many ways.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: And he is a two-time finals MVP. He is an
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: NBA MVP. He has an argument that from the year 2014,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: if you take away injuries, from 2014 through 2017, or
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: maybe even 2018, that he was the best player in
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: the NBA, right? And we don't think about him that
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: way at all.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's a stretch in his career where you
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: look at just, you know, shares of him where he
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: comes up an MVP. Two, five, two, two, one. And
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: that is before the Golden State run. Right.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Like this is. In 2014, when he won the MVP,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: and I talk about this on this show a lot.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: the statistic that maps almost one-to-one to winning MVP is
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: win shares per 48 minutes. And in 2014, Kevin Durant
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: won the MVP and had the win shares per 48 minutes.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: He also led the league in win shares per 48 minutes.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: In 2017, that first year with the Warriors, when there
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: was no way in the world we were ever going
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: to give him the MVP, there was no way after
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: he left Oklahoma City for Golden State, the same way
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: they wasn't going to give it to LeBron, in 2011
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: right like there was no chance even though I think
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: both players in each case deserve that MVP they weren't
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: going to give it to those guys but where are
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: the basketball players outside the ones I gave you that
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: are that much better than Kevin Durant now Durant winds
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: up with how we view the last I guess it's
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: six years of his career now right there's the year
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: with the Achilles injury then Where he's out with the
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Achilles injury and then the years with the net. And hey,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: how much differently do we talk about Kevin Durant if
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: his foot's not on the line in that game against Milwaukee?
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Are we then talking about a three time champion with
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: three finals MVPs who did it with two franchises? Right.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: How much differently are we talking about Kevin Durant if
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving just went and got the shot? Right. It
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: is as though we blame Kevin Durant for a lot
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: of these exterior factors because we can't appreciate the idea
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: that the man wanted to go work somewhere else. We
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: we chastise him for going to Golden State and then
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: we chastise him for leaving. Right. I don't know if
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: there's ever been a player in his position that we
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: have treated what I would deem to be more unfairly
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: than we had treated Durant. It wound up in an
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: entirely unique situation where quite possibly the best player in
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: the NBA had a chance to go to quite possibly
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: the greatest NBA team ever. It just worked out that way.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: The rules are supposed to make it impossible. They figured
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: it out. He went, he did that. Hey man, they
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: was too good. Like, so what, what, what would have
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: been okay? You know, like what would have been fine?
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: So I can go on and on, on and on
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: about the greatness of Durant. I can go on and
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: on about how we don't give him enough credit. And
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: by the way, how I don't think we give him
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: enough credit for the early portion of of his career, okay?
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: That first year, 07, 08, he was playing two guard
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: at 19 years old at seven feet tall, or he's
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: probably 6'11 then or whatever, in Seattle. That next year,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: that team started off terribly. They fired the coach at
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: the beginning of the year, it was Russell Westbrook's rookie year,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: and then they picked it up. The year after that,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: they got James Harden. Year four, with a team full
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: of children, they went to the Western Conference Finals. Year four,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: year five, they went to the NBA finals. Year six,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: they may have been the best team in the NBA,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: and then Russell Westbrook hurt his knee when Patrick Beverly
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: ran into him. The next year, they went to the
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Western Conference finals and lost to one of the great
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: teams of all time, but also had some injury issues.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: I think Ibaka was the one that was hurt that year.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: The year after that, he breaks his foot. 2016, they
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: blew the 3-1 lead. His is a story of this close,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: this close. And we don't think about him in the
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: way that we think about a lot of the other
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: players that we think about as being cursed or we
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: think about as having terrible luck. He had awful luck.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: And the one time he took his luck into his
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: own hands, we act like he did something wrong. He
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: is here at number 13 and I don't know, maybe
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: I'm doing him wrong. Let's see who else is above
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: him on the list. Number 12. All right, Ryan. I
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: understand if you don't want to be in the next
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: part of this video. I don't even really want to
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: be in the next part of the video, okay? Like,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: if you want to leave, you can.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: This is me calling the ISO for this player.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: I'm going to get out of the way.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Number 12. It's Kobe Bryant. Okay, okay, guys.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Guys.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Everybody from this point on the list on is a
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: super duper beast.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Everybody from here on is a super duper beast. Kobe
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Bryant was a super duper beast. Young Kobe is amazing. Actually,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: and this is Afro Kobe, really uncut. I spent many
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: years believing that Shaq carried Kobe through those runs. And
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: I do think in the year 2000, Shaq was that guy.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: I think anybody would have been number two. You go
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: look at that 2001 season, particularly the 2001 postseason, No,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: they were they was right here. They were this and
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: they were they were this and this. They were that
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: that good together. And in 2002, I think Kobe was
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: still in the same space as Shaq. And in 2003,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: that may have been the place at which he got
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: better than him. That is where I think we need
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: to give Kobe more. That is where we need to
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: treat Kobe differently. in a different way in terms of
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: evaluating the greatness of what he provided and considering the
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: fact that when we're talking about 2001, he's 22 years
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: old when he's doing this. 22. The other thing to
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: consider that I think is important and I think is
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: somewhat underrated is that up until that point, all the
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: guys that were coming straight from high school into the league,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: all of them were big men. Kobe was a guard.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: That was a little different. It's one thing when these
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: guys are coming in and they're walking in with some
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: form of an NBA body. Kobe, yes, to a degree,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: but especially in an era with the physicality of the mid-90s,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: it is wild that he came in. And yeah, it
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: took him some time to get there. And the thing
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: that I value and respect about Kobe more than anything else,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: and I've come to value and respect it more and
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: more as I've become older, is the outright fearlessness and
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: his outright fear, lack of a fear of failure, right?
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: It's the most admirable thing about Michael Jordan, and it
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: is the thing that Kobe Bryant adopted above anything else is,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: if I make it, I make it. If I miss it,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: I miss it, but I'm willing to take it. Now,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: I think he took that way too far at various points,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: but you can't teach that. And that is the thing
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: that I think that most of us wish we had
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: more of within us.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's two interesting parts of Kobe that
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: kind of grow in legacy as, you know, we get
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: further and further away from it. One is how much
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: everyone in that time was trying to do a Michael
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Jordan impression and he was the only one who could.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: And two, you talk about, you know, the fearlessness to
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: take the shot. I think there is an additional like
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: the amount of respect from his peers and And the
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: amount of the kind of cult of personality he has
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: created about himself. Yes. Is that he has done that
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: better than other of his peers by a wide margin.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: So the thing about Kobe and the opinion of his
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: peers is very important. Because let's say that I had
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: no access to what his peers had to say about him.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I have certain opinions of him as a basketball player.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: both in terms of what he actually did and in
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: terms of the way that he went about doing, right? However,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: I believe that people in my position have to humble
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: themselves to a degree and say that even if you
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: do not believe or agree, even if you do not
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: agree with the way that his peers and contemporaries talk
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: about Kobe or the terms or the tone or the
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: rarefied air that they put him in, you have to
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: acknowledge the fact that they do it. The guys that
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: know way more about this stuff than I do and
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: know about it in an experiential way have their ways
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: that they discuss him and the ways that they talk
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: about him. And they put him there as the closest
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: thing to Michael Jordan. I got stats that say other things, right?
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: We got team records, by the way, that often say
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: other things. We have all of that, but those cats
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: were there, right? Like I talk about with Jordan and
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: that with the youngsters need to understand about it is
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: no matter what you think you getting out of looking
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: up on YouTube, man, We were there. And people have
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: gotten on me for being like, oh, you looked on
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: YouTube and saw that George was that dude. No, I
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: went back on YouTube and got reminded of what I
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: had already seen because it had been so long. And
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: it was just like, oh, yeah, that's right. Because in
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: the end, I was there when that happened. And it
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: was easy to forget what it looked like. And then
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: you looked at it and were like, oh, yeah, my bad.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: But I was there. OK. They were there with Kobe
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: in a much different way. in a much different capacity.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: There is a legend that has been built up. Like,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: I think it's dishonest the way these guys now get
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: out here and talk about how, man, y'all saying Kobe
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: wasn't the greatest. Wasn't nobody talking like that when he
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: was alive. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Wasn't nobody really talking the way y'all talk about him
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: now when he was alive, because that's what happens when
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: people die, right? Like the hagiography takes place and we
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: tend to go a little bit too far. Like, I
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: think that we are actually far more complimentary of Kobe
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: in death than we were in life. I think in
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: life we approach it differently, but nobody wants to feel
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: like they're bagging on the dead guy. Right. Like even
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm being very careful with the way that
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: I choose my words here in talking about him. No, no.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Like we we were critical of him when he was
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: alive as a basketball player. And we were for a
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: number of reasons. But that we is largely people on
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: the outside, like people who were not actually playing basketball.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Those who play basketball talk about him in terms that
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: I have to give credence to and offer a certain
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: measure of respect to. And I think it's important that
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I and anybody else who operates in this position to
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: remember those things. All right. Number 11. Number 11 is
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Waddell Stephen Curry. Ryan, I'm going to be honest with you.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: A big part of why I'm putting Steph Curry where
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: I have him. And maybe I should have put him higher.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: It's because every time I have ever dared to underestimate
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Stephen Curry in any sort of way.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: And this is going back nearly to the Bush administration.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: It does. It does. Or at the very least, the
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: daughter of Obama.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Anytime that I have underestimated him, he has taken my underestimation.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: He has taken it and wiped his keister and then
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: asked me to smell. Every single time, every single time
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: it has happened, he has asked me to do it. Now, look.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: He has redefined the way NBA basketball is played, for
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: better or worse, by the way. I always love when
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: this happens. Something happens, and you've only seen one person
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: do it ever, and now everybody thinks that they can
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: do it. Right? That is where we go with Steph Curry.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: The truth is, he is a bigger guy than Isaiah Thomas,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: but I would say they are in similar classes in
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: terms of size.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Under 6'4.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, those are the guys. Right. Those are the guys
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: that have really been that dude for champions that could
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: carry you home at the sizes that at the sizes
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: that they played at. It was more impressive for Isaiah
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: because the game was much more physical and there was
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: not there was a three point shot. But the paradigm
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: had not adapted. There was still a lag in place
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: with how that was dealt with. Steph Curry has won
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: four championships. Steph. I see people make this point. That
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: the 2024 Olympics, where you have LeBron James, Kevin Durant,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: and Steph Curry, and we're bringing this thing home with
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: those four guys, and it was Steph Curry that was
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: the guy that took the shot, right? But here's what
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: I love about that. None of those guys were deferring
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: to each other. That isn't really what I think happened there.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: What happened was Steph was like, I'm the dude that's
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: supposed to be taking this shot. So I'm gonna take
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: this shot. And of course he should. Do you realize
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: how unfair it is to let Steph Curry play on
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: a short three point line? That's like letting Shaq play
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: on a nine and a half foot goal. Like I
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: can't even believe they even let him in the tournament.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Letting Steph Curry get three points for them shots that
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: he was taking. Are you kidding me? That's just like
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: colossally and wholly unfair. But I remember, and I don't know,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: I think those of you who are younger may not
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: remember this. And I even think that those of us
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: who were around because now it's been so long may
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: not remember this. When they fired Mark Jackson in 2014,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: which seemed to be as much just because Joe Lacob
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: hated his guts, right? When they fired him, our question was, well,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: how much better do you think this team is supposed
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: to get? The Warriors had been terrible for my entire
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: adult life at that point. How much better did you
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: think that they were supposed to be when their best
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: player was Steph Curry and their second best player was,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: what's it, Clay Thompson? Like, how good did you think?
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: They just won 50 games.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, some people are not going to believe this,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: but this is where people were asking the question, could
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: you win games, win the playoffs in jump shooting?
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Right, right. Like, how good could you be with those guys?
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: And they went from winning 50 games to winning 67.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Do you know how hard it is to be a
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: 50-win team? and become a 67-win team with basically the
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: same players. But see, the thing is, it's largely about
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: jump shooting. And we just never seen anybody that made
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: as many jump shots as they did. Like the rate
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: at which they were making shots with Steph also being
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: a legitimate, incredible threat to go to the basket with
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: a two year period where he may have been within
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: that time where I say Kevin Durant might have been
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: the best player in the NBA. Steph Curry at his
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: size playing the type of game he played also had
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: that same argument. He became full-on superstar. And the question was,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: and I had this question, it was fair, are we
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: dealing with the system player? And the answer was yes,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: but the system is Stephen Curry. Like, he is it.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: Andre Iguodala, who actually I recall, said I was being
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: a ho for raising that question. And I'm like, damn, buddy,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: we just talking and we ain't even cool, me and you.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: But I was just raising the question, but he's right.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: The system was Steph. The system was it. And I
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: remember I said it in front of JJ Redick one
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: time and he looked at me like I was so crazy.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: And that is another example. Dudes who play basketball in
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: the way they what they are like, hey, homie, you
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: need to fall back on this one. This guy is
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: that guy. This guy is it. And he is the
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: if truly the defining basketball player of the last 10 years.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: You could say that LeBron has been the face of
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: the league, but for the last 10 years, has it
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: been LeBron or has it been Steph Curry? Like these
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: are fair questions to ask. I don't have the definitive
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: answer for it, but they became that TV draw on
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: the back of Steph Curry. Remember when LeBron went to
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: Cleveland and they had Kyrie and they got Kevin Love,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: they were supposed to be the story of the league.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: And Steph just went up there and took it. On
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: a team where, and look, this is the big one,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: and y'all can get as mad at me about this
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: one as you want, okay? Steph Curry is getting Klay
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Thompson and Draymond Green into the Hall of Fame. And
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that those are not excellent players. I'm
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: saying I don't think either of those guys make it
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame if they don't play for
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: the Warriors. And I will give you an example of
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: this on Draymond Green. What makes Draymond Green a better
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: player than Sean Marion? Right? Sean Marion was basically giving
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: you all the things that Draymond Green was giving you
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: as a defender while giving you more athleticism and was
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: a better offensive player.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: I think Sean Marion should be in the Hall of Fame.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: I think he probably ultimately will make it into the
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. You don't think of Sean Marion as
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: a lights-out Hall of Fame. If Sean Marion played with
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Steph Curry, he's going in the Hall of Fame. Right? Right?
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: It's the same thing with Klay Thompson. I don't have
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: the easy. He's such a good shooter that I don't
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: really have an easy comp for like who's the other
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: guy that's not going to make the Hall of Fame
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: that goes there with Klay Thompson. But Steph's getting those
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: guys in. We have a tendency to look at it
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: and say, well, OK, if a team wins championships and
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: that means they must have X number of Hall of Famers,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: you start adding it up. You start backfilling the qualifications.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: And that, I think, is the part where Steph Curry
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: becomes underrated. If you stop looking at it like the
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Warriors were not a super team, at least before Kevin Durant.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: Let's put it like that. That wasn't a super team.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: They were a team that had superb results and the
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: superb results were a byproduct of Steph Curry. Right. But
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: those weren't guys that are going to be superstars playing
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: for other teams. That was not Dwayne Wade and Chris
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: Bosh that was out there with him. That wasn't it.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: But his teams were better than the teams that Miami
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: had with Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh. That tells you
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: what time it was with Steph Curry. And that is
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: why I've got him above Kobe. I've got him above Durant.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Even if you ask me to pick teams, I'm picking Durant.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Even when, if you ask me who the best player
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: on those Warriors teams were when Kevin Durant was there,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: I would still tell you Kevin Durant. But if you
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: ask me to put together this list, I put Steph
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Curry above him. I know it doesn't all the way
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: make sense, but you can't tell me it don't feel right.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: But let me tell you what don't necessarily feel right.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Those last three guys, Kevin Durant, Kobe Bryant, Steph Curry, Ryan.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Are we sure those guys are better than Tim Duncan?
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Certainly more interesting.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Definitely more interesting.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Better.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Five-time champion, three-times finals MVP. His teams were championship contenders
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: last Every year of his career except for two. And
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: those two years when they weren't was when they were
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: reconfiguring the offense to get more in line with the
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: seven seconds or less Suns and to move into the
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: new era.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: So the Spurs lost in the first round of the
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: playoffs after winning 60 games to the Grizzlies. And we
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: were like, damn, I guess they're done. And then 2013
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: and 2014 happened where they were the Ray Allen shot
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: away from back to back championships with 2014 team. One
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: of the greatest of all time. And we look at
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: it as a team that did not really have a
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: star player, except it had what they've always had. Tim
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Duncan guaranteeing that you had a top three defense in
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: the NBA just by his mere presence.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think you didn't win 50 games
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: every year was there except 2011 season when there was
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: only 66.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: And the 99 season where there were only 50. Yeah. Yes,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: that is that is basically it.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: It's tough because, again, back to how we started this
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: with Kevin Durant. If you're picking players, Tim Duncan might
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: go fourth, but he's also accomplished almost as much of
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: all of them.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, nobody really wants to pick the guy
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: with no haircut. That is not. Not at his size,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: you don't assume. Yeah, you don't assume that he's a
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: really good basketball player. under those circumstances. Like, Tim Duncan
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: looking like he do the dirty work as opposed to
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: being the dude that holds it all down.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: And he might be the greatest dirty work player of
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: all time.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: Might be. So, Steph Curry is number 11. Tim Duncan
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: is clocking in at number 21. But, maybe he should
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: be number 11. I don't know. I don't know. But,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: That is up to number 11. We have got 10
• 55:18
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• 55:22
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• 55:26
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• 55:31
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