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Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan: Smelly Dirt, Maggots, Shallow Grave - The Death of Kada Scott · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Body balance, but the Joseph's gotten more. I think probably
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Speaker 1: being a college professor, one of the most difficult things
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Speaker 1: for a incoming student to determine what kind of goes
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Speaker 1: without saying, is what am I going to major in.
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Speaker 1: It's kind of interesting in since that many kids that
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Speaker 1: arrive are eighteen years old, there are very very few
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Speaker 1: of them, in my experience over twenty years now in
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Speaker 1: academia that know what they want to do when they
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Speaker 1: show up. Those that do know are the exception and
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Speaker 1: not the norm. They come to a university because because
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Speaker 1: there's something that is attractive to them, perhaps about the
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Speaker 1: campus or the people they initially meet and engage with.
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Speaker 1: There might be some things that they're interested in. Then
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Speaker 1: others show up because mom and dad said they had
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Speaker 1: to and that they're going to this university. Well, for
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Speaker 1: those that make it through the academic course, which are
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Speaker 1: fewer than I think many people believe, the next big
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Speaker 1: decision is what do I want to do with my life?
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Speaker 1: You know, you've been prepared for four years. Now you're
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Speaker 1: pushed out onto the stage. Do I try to go
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Speaker 1: to graduate school or do I dip my toes into
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Speaker 1: the water of the real world? Not a protected, ivy
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Speaker 1: covered environment. Today, on body Bags, we're going to talk
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Speaker 1: about a young woman, a young woman who had made
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Speaker 1: it through the rigor of an academic experience at Penn
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Speaker 1: State University and was now starting her journey. She had
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Speaker 1: been a beauty queen, she had been a cheerleader. She
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Speaker 1: had been present on Saturday nights in Happy Valley for whiteouts,
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Speaker 1: one of the loudest places in the country. But nothing,
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Speaker 1: and I mean nothing could have prepared her for what
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Speaker 1: weighted just around the corner. And it was pure, unadulterated evil.
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Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is bodybags. I can't
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Speaker 1: help myself, Dave. Every time one of these kind of
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Speaker 1: cases pops up involving a college kid, I always think
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Speaker 1: of my own kids, and I mean my biological kids
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Speaker 1: who have all attended college, and of course the kids
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Speaker 1: that are not my biological children, but the kids that
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Speaker 1: are or under my tutelage, if you will, that you
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Speaker 1: know or out there. I still think about my kids
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Speaker 1: that I educated. They're no longer kids that I started
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Speaker 1: educating twenty one years ago. I see them now with
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Speaker 1: families and they're all to the winds, all over the world,
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Speaker 1: and they still send me messages, you know, calling me
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Speaker 1: Professor Morgan. You know, in these messages, just checking in
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Speaker 1: whether you I saw you on television or I wanted
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Speaker 1: to tell you about my job. I want some advice,
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Speaker 1: and I'm willing to give those bits of advice.
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Speaker 2: But Kaita Scott twenty three years old. You mentioned this
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Speaker 2: is a woman who got through college. She's a beauty queen.
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Speaker 2: And you know what, she's not waiting on somebody to
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Speaker 2: roll out the yellow car or red carpet, you know,
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Speaker 2: and hop down the yellow brick road. She's getting after it.
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Speaker 2: She takes a job working in a sister living home.
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Speaker 2: She's working ten PM, two six am.
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Speaker 1: But you know, it takes a certain kind of person
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Speaker 1: to work in that environment and to get introduced to it.
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Speaker 1: You know, when you're twenty three and there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of people out there that will identify with this. I
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Speaker 1: know you do. Dave the idea of stepping out on
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Speaker 1: your own and the upside with working at night. And
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Speaker 1: this is what I loved is that the suits weren't around.
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Speaker 1: I love that they were asleep at home in bed.
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Speaker 1: You didn't have to deal with administrators in my case,
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Speaker 1: you didn't have to deal with political shenanigans that went
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Speaker 1: on in the office, both of the body politic within
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Speaker 1: the structure of the office, nor any of the politicians
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Speaker 1: that might come down, you know, from the county level
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Speaker 1: to visit. I don't want to see those people. And
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Speaker 1: you know, so you could really really do good work
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Speaker 1: at night. However, the price that you pay is that
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Speaker 1: your world is completely different than everybody else's world. If
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Speaker 1: you've got kids, you're not going to see them do
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Speaker 1: You're going to show up and you're not going to
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Speaker 1: remember what you saw because you do have to plan.
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Speaker 1: And it's a tough existence.
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Speaker 2: Working at an assisted living facility from ten pm to
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Speaker 2: six am. I think, ok to being in that environment.
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Speaker 2: Joe at twenty three and a beautiful young woman and
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Speaker 2: you know, former cheerleader and all that, and she's doing
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Speaker 2: this to get a start on her career, and yeah,
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Speaker 2: that's what I'm guessing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and as as well as I and you
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Speaker 1: think about it, and you think about the relationships that
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Speaker 1: you develop with the infirm or those that are in
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Speaker 1: need of your care, you know that are in this environment,
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Speaker 1: it tells you a lot about the person that would
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Speaker 1: be willing, particularly a young person. You know, those those
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Speaker 1: are unique young people, I think. I mean, you can
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Speaker 1: be jaded about it and say, well, they're in it
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Speaker 1: for a check. But the thing about it is when
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Speaker 1: you come face to face with someone who needs your
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Speaker 1: assistance just to go the bathroom, or maybe they need
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Speaker 1: your help with medications because they have to be given
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Speaker 1: medications at certain prescribed times. And also there's that, I
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Speaker 1: don't know, that deeper human connection where like you had mentioned,
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Speaker 1: they're all alone, that life that they had previously had
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Speaker 1: is kind of vaporized. They live at a distance from family,
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Speaker 1: and suddenly the person that is either working as a nurse,
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Speaker 1: an LPN are in or a CNA that's in there,
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Speaker 1: they become familiar with them. And it might not be
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Speaker 1: the worker that views them that way, but that person
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Speaker 1: that's in this environment, they see this individual is their
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Speaker 1: only connection and it's within that connection, Dave. That and
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Speaker 1: in this environment you had mentioned her talking to people
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Speaker 1: or talking to someone, and David, the really chilly thing
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Speaker 1: about it is she shows up for work and it's
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Speaker 1: within a very very short period of time after she
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Speaker 1: has arrived at this facility, brother Dave, she just Ooo,
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Speaker 1: she is gone. Man, she's in the wind. No one
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Speaker 1: sees or leave. And I think they're really terrifying part
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Speaker 1: to this. When you're trying to work a case like
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Speaker 1: a missing young woman, you're missing a big part, a
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Speaker 1: big piece, because they didn't have functioning CCTV at this place.
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Speaker 1: There was nothing. There was no videography you know, that
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Speaker 1: can kind of track this down anyone that's looking to
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Speaker 1: perpetrate a crime nowadays, as you and I well know,
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Speaker 1: because we cover this over and over and over again,
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Speaker 1: it's amazing that the potential perpetrators will stick their chin
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Speaker 1: this far out because you're always at risk of being videotaped.
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Speaker 1: At some point, I say videotaped listen to me, that's
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Speaker 1: aging me, but are dating me. You think about that,
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Speaker 1: and there is always a potential. So you begin to
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Speaker 1: suddenly develop this idea that whoever was involved perhaps was
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Speaker 1: a very very embolden individual that was set on doing
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Speaker 1: great harm.
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Speaker 2: Dave Well, Kaita was saying to family and friends that
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Speaker 2: she had been getting what she deemed harassing phone calls
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Speaker 2: and they were kind of like drop phone out of
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Speaker 2: state phones. That there are programs that people use now
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Speaker 2: to disguise the number they're calling from, or not even
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Speaker 2: using the cell phone, using a Wi Fi connection to
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Speaker 2: disguise your phone and whatnot. And she was getting calls
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Speaker 2: where she couldn't determine who it was that was calling her,
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Speaker 2: and she deemed them as harassing. However, there was also
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Speaker 2: mixed in there other calls, you know, in text messages
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Speaker 2: that she was communicating with. And in one, as you mentioned,
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Speaker 2: she gets to work at ten o'clock at night, and
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Speaker 2: we're talking ten fifteen, she's out in the parking lot
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Speaker 2: and she is meeting somebody out there. Somebody did not
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Speaker 2: come into the assisted living home and grab her, chloroform
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Speaker 2: her and take her off, right. She willingly left to
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Speaker 2: meet someone in the parking lot. And you mentioned no
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Speaker 2: surveillance cameras, and that really is scary in this day
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Speaker 2: and age, as cheap as they are, please, for the love,
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Speaker 2: if you have a business that has people on the inside,
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Speaker 2: you're supposed to protect, have cameras. You know, they're fifty
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Speaker 2: bucks and you can do your whole building. But they
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Speaker 2: didn't have any of that. So all we know is
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Speaker 2: that she left and met somebody outside. We do know
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Speaker 2: that she was communicating with some body and let me
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Speaker 2: know when you're here, let me know when you're on
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Speaker 2: the way. And she went out and left. Now we
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Speaker 2: don't know if she got in the parking lot and
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Speaker 2: this person snatched her. We don't know that. I have
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Speaker 2: a feeling that might have happened. But she was talking
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Speaker 2: with someone she thought she knew. She willingly walked out
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Speaker 2: of the building. We do not know what happened after
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Speaker 2: that as to how she was taken or left that facility.
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Speaker 2: But her car was in the parking lot. And because
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Speaker 2: the employees are kind of working their own, you have
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Speaker 2: a hall or an area that you're working, you don't
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Speaker 2: necessarily see people all the time. You know you're working,
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Speaker 2: and you can pass by and not know where they are.
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Speaker 1: No, can I add one more thing to this about
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Speaker 1: the nature of an assisted living center or a nursing home.
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Speaker 1: You know, Dave, when she got there, that approximates what's
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Speaker 1: referred to as And I know you've heard this because
10:45
Speaker 1: Lord knows, and God bless you. I know you've had
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Speaker 1: to spend more time in hospitals and you wish, but
10:51
Speaker 1: have you ever been in a facility where you hear
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Speaker 1: the horrible words? It's shift change and at shift change,
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Speaker 1: and all of our nursing friends that are that are
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Speaker 1: in the audience right now, all of our friends out there,
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Speaker 1: God bless you by the way that if you're a
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Speaker 1: nurse or a CNA or an LPN, that moment and
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Speaker 1: in that period is so frenetic because you're literally handing
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Speaker 1: off patients. Now I don't know the necessarily the nature,
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Speaker 1: but you have to take report and if there's a
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Speaker 1: problem with somebody, and generally there's more than one problem.
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Speaker 1: Somebody didn't get this, or somebody didn't get that, or
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Speaker 1: somebody's looking for them, or they have asked for something
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Speaker 1: special that needs to be attended to. You have to
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Speaker 1: attend to it at that moment. And if you have
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Speaker 1: contact with a resident, you have to chart it as well.
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Speaker 1: So this time period is crucial. I think that this
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Speaker 1: is really key in this particular investigation because the individuals
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Speaker 1: that are working there with Kada, their eyes are not
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Speaker 1: on the ball at that point in time. Their eyes
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Speaker 1: are well, they're focused on their job. Right, They're focused
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Speaker 1: on their job what they have to do. No one
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Speaker 1: would be watching Kada. And I can tell you this.
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Speaker 1: That night when she went to work, she thought that
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Speaker 1: she would leave the next morning after her shift was over,
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Speaker 1: as the sun is creeping up into the sky, and
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Speaker 1: maybe going to go home and get some well deserved rest.
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Speaker 1: But Kada would never sleep in her bed again. Most
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Speaker 1: of us cannot even begin to fathom what is like
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Speaker 1: or what it would be like. I know, I can't
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Speaker 1: to have a child that goes missing. And I don't
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Speaker 1: care how old the child is, it's still your baby.
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Speaker 1: And if I'm not mistaken, Dave, Kada was still living
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Speaker 1: with her mother, correct and pay close.
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Speaker 2: With both her parents Andrew Younger's sister.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so she's got this family connection. And if
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Speaker 1: she's not rolling back in the door at a prescribe, Tom,
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Speaker 1: I don't know about you. Let me put it to
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Speaker 1: you this way. For all of those years, which was
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Speaker 1: probably I wouldn't say, I'd say probably close to a
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Speaker 1: third of my time working in the field as an investigator,
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Speaker 1: I was on overnights. I didn't hang around the office.
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Speaker 1: I didn't go out to get breakfast in the morning.
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Speaker 1: You know what I did. I went heated up my vehicle,
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Speaker 1: got it between the ditches, and I headed home and
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Speaker 1: I tried to crawl in sack as soon as I could.
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Speaker 1: I'm not lingering anywhere. So when you begin, particularly if
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Speaker 1: you're if you're domiciled with somebody, you know their habits.
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Speaker 1: You know that, Okay, we know how long it takes
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Speaker 1: for her to leave work get home. And maybe when
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Speaker 1: she walks in in the morning, family's having coffee, Mama
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Speaker 1: might be making breakfast, I don't know, and she's going
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Speaker 1: to get some child and then turn in. But just
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Speaker 1: sitting there, you know, and you're thinking, wait, she's supposed
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Speaker 1: to be here, now, where in the heck is she?
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Speaker 1: Why isn't she? You know? And that's when the phone
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Speaker 1: calls perhaps start. That's when you know, you start to
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Speaker 1: get into panic mode. Because she's good about talking to you,
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Speaker 1: she's good about staying in contact. She's good about coming
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Speaker 1: home because she her parents wouldn't allow her to be there
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Speaker 1: if she's disrespecting the home, can't imagine. And who wants
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Speaker 1: to run the streets at seven in the morning, right,
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Speaker 1: And you're just dog tired. For no one that has
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Speaker 1: ever worked overnight. It's one of these things that it's
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Speaker 1: soul sucking. It just sucks the life out of you.
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Speaker 1: So you want to try to get some some quality
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Speaker 1: rest as best you can. But yeah, I would think
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Speaker 1: that from jump straight her family would have been really concerned.
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Speaker 1: You don't hear about the families out there, Dave, that
15:28
Speaker 1: really put their shoulder to the stone in spite are
15:33
Speaker 1: despite rather being just overwhelmed with grief and worry and anxiety,
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Speaker 1: they just keep pressing forward. So when you get a
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Speaker 1: family that buys in, and not just buys in, but
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Speaker 1: they are leading the charge, it's it's I hate to say,
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Speaker 1: refreshing because you know where jaded, you and I particularly me,
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Speaker 1: you see this and you think, well, they're really wanting
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Speaker 1: to do the right thing here. We just hope that
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Speaker 1: everybody else that is going to be involved in an
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Speaker 1: investigation is willing to get on at the same level.
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Speaker 1: You know, And there have been cases out there where
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Speaker 1: families are quickly frustrated. But brother Dave, she she wouldn't
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Speaker 1: turn up nowhere.
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Speaker 2: And they started to think that. You know, they didn't
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Speaker 2: have surveillance video you pointed that out, no cameras, But
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Speaker 2: what they did have is something better. Almost in this
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Speaker 2: day and age, with most everybody having a cell phone,
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Speaker 2: they have a means of tracking us. Even when we
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Speaker 2: don't think they can. I want to back out right now.
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Speaker 2: At ten fifteen, a coworker said they saw her. They
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Speaker 2: saw Kada going towards the parking lot. Cell Phone records
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Speaker 2: showed that Kato Scott received twelve phone calls from the
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Speaker 2: same phone number between nine to twenty five and ten
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Speaker 2: twelve pm, and a forty three second phone call that
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Speaker 2: night that she went missing at ten. On nine pm,
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Speaker 2: she made plans to meet up with somebody in a
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Speaker 2: final text message between the two with the letters CM
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Speaker 2: meaning call me when you're here ten fifteen, investigators say boom,
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Speaker 2: the two of them are together near Kata Scott's place
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Speaker 2: of employment. Based on cell phone data, ten twenty eight pm,
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Speaker 2: a dark colored vehicle is seen pulling into the Aubury
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Speaker 2: Recreation Center parking lot, across the street from the abandoned
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Speaker 2: Ada Lewis Middle School. I do want to add one thing, Joe,
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Speaker 2: that was at ten twenty eight. Four minutes earlier at
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Speaker 2: ten twenty four pm, police say Kata's cell phone stopped
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Speaker 2: all network contact. At ten twenty four pm. Twenty three
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Speaker 2: year old college graduate working on her phone twenty four
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Speaker 2: to seven and it stopped all network contact ten twenty
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Speaker 2: four PM. We're talking. Twelve minutes after she's seen in
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Speaker 2: the parking lot, it's done. She doesn't and it does
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Speaker 2: not reconnect. It's done. So twelve minutes after she is
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Speaker 2: seen in the parking lot, that phone is done.
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Speaker 1: Well, I got what does that tell you? Yeah, well
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Speaker 1: I got to tell you. You know, one of the things
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Speaker 1: that we've learned, what case was it that was this
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Speaker 1: was such a well, it may have been the recent
18:24
Speaker 1: unpleasantness out in Idaho, but I think there was other
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Speaker 1: cases too where individuals deactivate their phone or turn it off.
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Speaker 1: But you know, we've heard over and over again how
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Speaker 1: they can still track the phone. You know, we've heard
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Speaker 1: this before, Dave. This this almost sounds and we don't
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Speaker 1: have proof of this, at least I don't, and please
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Speaker 1: feel free to, you know, to correct me. Dave. Do
18:46
Speaker 1: you think this phone was destroyed? Do you think that
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Speaker 1: it could be snapped in two, it could be crushed,
18:54
Speaker 1: it could be you know, to the point where it's
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Speaker 1: it's unserviceable at this point in time because suddenly goes dead. Now,
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Speaker 1: maybe there's more to this than the police are actually
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Speaker 1: letting on.
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Speaker 2: I was going to say that, Joe, because I don't
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Speaker 2: know if it was broken, but they said it stopped
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Speaker 2: making contact, and so you're right, they might have info
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Speaker 2: they're just not letting out because they're going to need it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, Listen, look in defense of the investigators,
19:23
Speaker 1: I don't want it. I don't because if this is
19:28
Speaker 1: going to be part of the investigation, I wish everybody
19:32
Speaker 1: would heed my words here relative to this, because I
19:34
Speaker 1: know people scream for information all the time. I understand
19:38
Speaker 1: that you get caught up in cases, but sometimes sometimes
19:44
Speaker 1: the police are not going to give us every last
19:47
Speaker 1: jot and tittle, if you will, relative to everything that
19:51
Speaker 1: we want to hear. They're going to release what they
19:55
Speaker 1: need or what they can get by with. Because if
19:58
Speaker 1: you're talking about a case, any cases out there that
20:01
Speaker 1: might wind up, you know, being an actual homicide trial,
20:06
Speaker 1: you do, you're not going to show your hand. I
20:08
Speaker 1: don't think any any prosecutor or police department worth their
20:12
Speaker 1: salt is going to show their hand. And your need
20:17
Speaker 1: to feed yourself on more information does not supersede the
20:21
Speaker 1: needs of the state. You know, when you're working a
20:23
Speaker 1: case and certainly eventually maybe prosecuting a case.
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Speaker 2: Dave, well, you know, Joe, as this story was being
20:30
Speaker 2: played in the media. Again, I'm glad you pointed out
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Speaker 2: how some people, how some people really do get into it.
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Speaker 2: They know that they have to keep the story alive
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Speaker 2: in the media because there's another one coming up. And
20:43
Speaker 2: in this particular case, they did a good job of
20:46
Speaker 2: keeping it in the forefront. But the police did a
20:48
Speaker 2: great job at They started working this hard, using every
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Speaker 2: electronic thing possible, and they had at least a physical
20:55
Speaker 2: place to start at the ass living center. They had
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Speaker 2: self phone communication and so they knew there were numbers
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Speaker 2: tied together. There were even though they might have been
21:03
Speaker 2: using apps they thought were covered, you know, where you
21:06
Speaker 2: couldn't tell who they were and where they were. Well,
21:08
Speaker 2: believe me, they know. They don't be an idiot, man,
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Speaker 2: They know. Oh yeah, just like if you think for
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Speaker 2: a minute that you're not being listened to every time
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Speaker 2: your phone is on, Yeah it's got a microphone in it. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: you're being recorded, friends, I promise you that.
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Speaker 1: And you know, the benefit that they have here is
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Speaker 1: the old you know, the old fallback position relative to
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Speaker 1: digital data. You've got triangulation that's going on too, just
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Speaker 1: just the GIS data that they can kind of plug
21:39
Speaker 1: in here and track the movement. You know, you had
21:42
Speaker 1: actually mentioned earlier that there was you know, going to
21:47
Speaker 1: this abandoned site. God, that's really creepy, isn't it, going
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Speaker 1: to this abandoned site that phone can be tracked to
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Speaker 1: that location. The the really terrifying part to this is
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Speaker 1: that she kind of vanishes off of the face of
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Speaker 1: the planet and she's nowhere to be seen. Days go by.
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Speaker 1: We've got a week that goes by and no one
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Speaker 1: knows anything, and then suddenly there's a break in a
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Speaker 1: case and someone anonymously drops a dime. It's often been
22:42
Speaker 1: said about any investigation that time is in fact the
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Speaker 1: coin of the realm. It is that thing, that element
22:53
Speaker 1: that we value the most in any investigation because with
22:58
Speaker 1: time we can set markers, markers moving down that linear
23:04
Speaker 1: that linear track that leads us from the point of
23:07
Speaker 1: origin to the point of conclusion. And Dave, in this case,
23:13
Speaker 1: we've got certain markers early on that we're very aware
23:16
Speaker 1: of relative to the I don't know, digital redcrumbs, if
23:20
Speaker 1: you don't mind me saying, And I think that it's
23:25
Speaker 1: key that we understand where these actually lead to. You
23:30
Speaker 1: made mention of her earlier, and yes, and you know, everybody,
23:36
Speaker 1: everybody has value. But when when you have a young
23:41
Speaker 1: woman who is has a profile, she's profiled out as
23:48
Speaker 1: being beautiful, she's young, she's a college graduate. We know
23:54
Speaker 1: that she was, of you know, of all things, an
23:56
Speaker 1: NCAA Division one cheerleader at arguably one of the one
24:02
Speaker 1: of the most high profile universities in the nation. She's
24:07
Speaker 1: going to catch the eye of a few people. And
24:10
Speaker 1: you know that's that's the double edged sword here, isn't it.
24:14
Speaker 1: You never know who's lurking out there, who's watching, And
24:17
Speaker 1: you think about her and you think, wow, if someone
24:21
Speaker 1: was going to target somebody and maybe kidnap them, she
24:26
Speaker 1: might be she might be a primary target.
24:28
Speaker 2: Dave, we know Joe from the very beginning, even though
24:32
Speaker 2: you know, we mentioned that at ten twenty four her
24:34
Speaker 2: phone stopped contacting with all networks, but you realize, up
24:38
Speaker 2: until ten twenty four, they knew exactly where it was,
24:41
Speaker 2: and they were able to find out who else was
24:44
Speaker 2: in that area, you know, because every phone connects to
24:48
Speaker 2: a tower somewhere yep, and they do have a record
24:50
Speaker 2: of every phone connecting to that tower, so they could
24:53
Speaker 2: find out if Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack were there.
24:56
Speaker 2: We didn't you know, we driving through our phone connected
24:59
Speaker 2: to that boom at that particular time, and so they
25:02
Speaker 2: start looking and they're going, you know, that's that is
25:05
Speaker 2: a really big get when you think about it, and
25:08
Speaker 2: then you realize, wait a minute, this phone number contacted
25:13
Speaker 2: Cada several other times in the last few days. Okay,
25:17
Speaker 2: now we got our suspect number one. Somebody that's been
25:20
Speaker 2: in contact with her is in contact with her at
25:22
Speaker 2: ten twenty four pm, and her phone stops connecting, and
25:25
Speaker 2: this person's phone is still connecting. So at ten twenty
25:28
Speaker 2: eight pm, they're able to get video camerick angles from
25:32
Speaker 2: different residents and businesses to find a dark colored vehicle
25:37
Speaker 2: is seen pulling into the Aubury Recreation Center parking lot
25:42
Speaker 2: across the street from the abandoned Ada Lewis Middle School, which,
25:45
Speaker 2: by the way, it's been abandoned for since two thousand
25:48
Speaker 2: and eight. So we're talking about a school that has
25:52
Speaker 2: just been sitting there, falling into disrepair, but it actually
25:56
Speaker 2: butts up to a school, a high school that is
25:58
Speaker 2: currently active. So you've got this. You got a lot
26:02
Speaker 2: of activity around an abandoned building. But they at least
26:06
Speaker 2: know where to start looking for people and things, and
26:09
Speaker 2: sure enough officials find they start finding things in the
26:14
Speaker 2: parking lot, They find another car, they find toyda camera
26:17
Speaker 2: they start looking for. Then they find this Hyundai that
26:20
Speaker 2: was reported stolen. Now it's three days later from her disappearance,
26:23
Speaker 2: and it's on fire by the time police get there.
26:27
Speaker 2: Not only is the car that burned up now it's
26:29
Speaker 2: already been trash compacted before they even get to it.
26:32
Speaker 1: This is mind mind boggling that it happened that quickly
26:38
Speaker 1: with this automobile. I was shocked. I got it, you know,
26:42
Speaker 1: because it's like when I'm going over the story, initially,
26:45
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, oh, they found a car and it was burning,
26:47
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, first off, if I'm going to start
26:51
Speaker 1: a fire car is It's not my first choice. I'm
26:57
Speaker 1: not going to bring Weenie's to a car fire, you know,
26:59
Speaker 1: say it's not It's not like you're building a bonfire.
27:02
Speaker 1: All right. I got questions, you know, if you've got
27:05
Speaker 1: a car on fire, I want to know, well, what
27:11
Speaker 1: was the point of origin of the fire. Is this
27:14
Speaker 1: just just at a baseline? Okay? I want to know
27:18
Speaker 1: if someone first off, has stolen a vehicle. I want
27:21
Speaker 1: to know if somebody is trying to defraud based on
27:24
Speaker 1: insurance because they're trying to destroy something, or even worse
27:28
Speaker 1: and more sinister, was this vehicle used in the commission
27:34
Speaker 1: of a crime and there was physical evidence within the vehicle.
27:38
Speaker 1: How do you get from the point where, Okay, we
27:41
Speaker 1: find a vehicle on fire and we're going to take
27:45
Speaker 1: it and take it to, you know, the wrecking yard,
27:48
Speaker 1: and we're going to put it in the you know,
27:51
Speaker 1: if you ever saw the movie Goldfinger where they take
27:53
Speaker 1: the car and they put it into the compactor and
27:55
Speaker 1: they crush it down, you know, and the thing is
27:59
Speaker 1: is compact to that point? Who does that in that
28:03
Speaker 1: short period of time, Dave.
28:05
Speaker 2: Well, as we have found out evil lurks among us,
28:11
Speaker 2: and they do things that are shocking. And that's all
28:16
Speaker 2: I can think of, is that things that you and
28:18
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine happening because we're not coming at
28:21
Speaker 2: it from a criminal angle. We're coming from it at
28:23
Speaker 2: it from a totally different place they're coming to it from.
28:26
Speaker 2: Think about it. They have kidnapped and obviously we're talking
28:30
Speaker 2: about it on body bags because Kata Scott vanishes from work.
28:36
Speaker 2: They track her and then Keon King, a twenty one
28:38
Speaker 2: year old man who, by the way, has already been
28:40
Speaker 2: in trouble with the law for strangling a woman and
28:43
Speaker 2: kidnapping her. And the only reason he got away with
28:47
Speaker 2: that is because she didn't show up in court. Oh
28:49
Speaker 2: so they already have Keon King in their radar. They
28:53
Speaker 2: find they forgot him surrounded by a ninety nine toy
28:55
Speaker 2: at a camri. They've got another vehicle, and then by
28:58
Speaker 2: being able to trace him, follow him. Now you got
29:01
Speaker 2: a suspect, and boom. At four am on October sixth,
29:05
Speaker 2: they see a lighter colored vehicle moving closer to where
29:09
Speaker 2: the dark colored vehicle was parked, and a video shows
29:16
Speaker 2: two people going up to a dark colored vehicle in
29:20
Speaker 2: the parking lot and removing a heavy object consistent with
29:22
Speaker 2: the human body from the passenger side. They're seen carrying
29:26
Speaker 2: the object towards the By the way, you know I'm
29:28
Speaker 2: talking about the school, Did I say that? Yes?
29:30
Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, yeah, Because.
29:31
Speaker 2: They're at Aubury, they're at the closed school, and like
29:34
Speaker 2: I said, there's businesses around. There are cameras around this area,
29:38
Speaker 2: even though it's a school that's been abandoned.
29:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you've got a high school right there, and
29:42
Speaker 1: you've got homes that are there, and this is you know, again,
29:48
Speaker 1: let me just interject here relative to dis abandoned location.
29:52
Speaker 1: If you're going to perpetrate something so dark, you would
29:58
Speaker 1: think that you would want to location that is. And
30:02
Speaker 1: this gives you an idea about the focus of a
30:04
Speaker 1: perpetrator here. They're focused only on the abandoned building. Hey,
30:07
Speaker 1: this place is abandoned. We know that there's not going
30:10
Speaker 1: to be points of observation. Perhaps we know that there's
30:14
Speaker 1: not going to be active CCTV. That tells me that
30:17
Speaker 1: an individual would have prior knowledge of this location. It
30:22
Speaker 1: actually makes me think, is there anything else that's adjacent
30:25
Speaker 1: to this building? Is there anything inside of this abandoned
30:28
Speaker 1: building some evidence of other crimes? Wink wink, nod nod.
30:33
Speaker 1: You know, thinking about this because this is a destination
30:36
Speaker 1: for someone that wants to do something that's very malevolent.
30:40
Speaker 1: But their focus is there, it's not on the functioning
30:43
Speaker 1: CCTV at the current high school and also the other
30:47
Speaker 1: associated businesses and homes around there. I go back and
30:53
Speaker 1: I think about this compacted car that has already been
30:57
Speaker 1: subjected to heat fire. Dave, that car or what remained
31:04
Speaker 1: of it, just imagine the most hellish nightmare jigsaw puzzle
31:10
Speaker 1: that you can imagine. If there is evidence within that
31:15
Speaker 1: vehicle and they did not take time to collect it,
31:20
Speaker 1: guess what has to happen. This thing's going to have
31:23
Speaker 1: to be unspun in some way. Can you imagine the
31:27
Speaker 1: headache that that would be to go in and try
31:29
Speaker 1: to dismantle a compacted car, to go in and see
31:32
Speaker 1: if you can find some remnant of perhaps biological material
31:36
Speaker 1: in there. Because as it turns out, Dave, as it
31:40
Speaker 1: turns out, this vehicle may have well have been a
31:46
Speaker 1: conveyance that this precious girl would have been in. We
31:50
Speaker 1: don't know what the stats we do know and again
31:54
Speaker 1: this is just me just kind of throwing this out there.
31:57
Speaker 1: We do know that her phone may have been destroyed.
32:02
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but that's a signal to
32:06
Speaker 1: me that there is a willingness to do violence at
32:09
Speaker 1: that point in time, anytime you destroy and listen, you know,
32:13
Speaker 1: phones to kids nowadays are some of the most value.
32:17
Speaker 1: They are the single most valuable thing that many of
32:19
Speaker 1: them possess, right both what they mean to them and
32:23
Speaker 1: also how much they how much these things cost? Right?
32:26
Speaker 1: And so if you how menacing is this if you
32:29
Speaker 1: take a phone, throw it on the ground and stomp
32:32
Speaker 1: on it, or you crack it and have or you
32:34
Speaker 1: take a hammer to it or something like this just
32:37
Speaker 1: to try to destroy the thing, that's menacing behavior. What
32:41
Speaker 1: could have happened in that car? Was there any biological
32:45
Speaker 1: data that was lost as a result of the fire
32:47
Speaker 1: or worse, you know, it being compacted?
32:50
Speaker 2: Dave, it's so sad Jovid. Everything you just said is
32:55
Speaker 2: absolutely positively true and is what is going to have
32:58
Speaker 2: to happen. Have to find a way to find out
33:03
Speaker 2: about Well what DNA exists in that compacted car, because
33:09
Speaker 2: you've got her leaving her place of business. We've got
33:12
Speaker 2: her there, but then you have her, well we see them,
33:16
Speaker 2: they being these unknown figures. Well we know one of
33:18
Speaker 2: them's Keon King because they arrested him on kidnapping charges.
33:22
Speaker 2: They you know, because he was with her. Their phones
33:25
Speaker 2: were matched up, they were talking and texting and the
33:28
Speaker 2: last time she was seen was well she's headed that way,
33:31
Speaker 2: and there he is. And so they start tracing Keon King.
33:34
Speaker 2: They start finding well, we got him tracking back and
33:36
Speaker 2: forth towards this old school, and they go to the
33:39
Speaker 2: school and they're looking in the parking lot, and that's
33:40
Speaker 2: when we first got the headline. Hey, they found some
33:44
Speaker 2: of Kata Scott's belongings in the parking lot around the
33:48
Speaker 2: school at the closed Ada Lewis Middle School. And you
33:55
Speaker 2: mentioned a minute ago about dropping a dime. Now, they
33:59
Speaker 2: being police, a lot of the information we have now
34:01
Speaker 2: when we give you the timetable, they did not have
34:03
Speaker 2: that in real time. They have that now. They didn't
34:07
Speaker 2: have it then, because all of this is put together
34:10
Speaker 2: after the fact. Police were blind going into this. They
34:14
Speaker 2: get a call and go there and oh, we found something.
34:18
Speaker 2: Then they get another call and oh, we found something else.
34:21
Speaker 2: Then they get a very specific, anonymous tip that sends
34:26
Speaker 2: them to an area behind the school. And in this
34:31
Speaker 2: particular case, I mentioned that this old abandoned school backs
34:34
Speaker 2: into a currently populated high school. But there's a lot
34:39
Speaker 2: of area between the two that is not used. You know,
34:43
Speaker 2: it's just trashy, jungled up stuff. There's nothing going on
34:45
Speaker 2: out there. It's not a place anybody would take a
34:48
Speaker 2: short cut. But if you were going to get rid
34:51
Speaker 2: of a body there, you go and so this very
34:55
Speaker 2: specific anonymous tip. By the way, dropping a dime. It
34:59
Speaker 2: used to cost a die to make a phone call.
35:01
Speaker 2: Before we had a phone in our pocket, there were
35:03
Speaker 2: these things. If you were out driving around and needed
35:05
Speaker 2: to call somebody, there was this booth that was usually
35:09
Speaker 2: a glass box on the side of the road, and
35:12
Speaker 2: there was a phone in there and you had to
35:14
Speaker 2: put change of dime into it and you could make
35:17
Speaker 2: a phone call.
35:18
Speaker 1: Can I interject something, right? I just had a memory.
35:21
Speaker 1: I got to tell you this before the day of
35:24
Speaker 1: cell phones, and I had a police radio with me
35:28
Speaker 1: everywhere I went, but you had to make landline calls
35:32
Speaker 1: back then, Dave, I'm revealing a deep dark secret here.
35:38
Speaker 1: I used to have a Do you remember the purple
35:41
Speaker 1: and gold velvet crown royal bags? Do you remember those
35:45
Speaker 1: that the whiskey would come in. I had one of
35:48
Speaker 1: those bags, and it was packed to the top at
35:52
Speaker 1: all time with quarters, and I kept it underneath the
35:55
Speaker 1: seat of my car of the unit that I drove,
35:58
Speaker 1: so that I would have access us to go to
36:01
Speaker 1: a payphone to make a phone. People cannot identify with
36:04
Speaker 1: that now, but yeah, I use that term dropping a
36:07
Speaker 1: dime because that's an old euphemistic term relative to somebody
36:12
Speaker 1: rolled over on somebody here, And Dave, I got to
36:16
Speaker 1: tell you, I got to tell you. If we've got
36:22
Speaker 1: this guy in custody on kidnapping, who else is involved
36:27
Speaker 1: in this? Who would have knowledge of her body is there?
36:33
Speaker 1: And it was something really dark that was said. It
36:36
Speaker 1: was like she's there, or like her remains are there,
36:40
Speaker 1: or you didn't look hard enough. I'm not really sure
36:44
Speaker 1: you know how what the phraseology was, but you need
36:47
Speaker 1: to go back out and look again.
36:49
Speaker 2: And you didn't do the job. Man, get back out there,
36:52
Speaker 2: and you know, and they did. That's how they found
36:54
Speaker 2: it because they're actually walking in an area. Okay, they
36:57
Speaker 2: still don't know they're in the exact area where and
37:01
Speaker 2: the police are looking around. There's more than one and
37:04
Speaker 2: there's a piece of wood. And when you find a
37:06
Speaker 2: piece of wood just kind of amongst dirt, yeah, it
37:10
Speaker 2: feels different. And when you look around, you're going, hey,
37:13
Speaker 2: this is a softer spot than that is. And then
37:17
Speaker 2: they lift it up and go, well, here's some disturbed ground.
37:20
Speaker 1: Ye turn the earth.
37:21
Speaker 2: They they were surprised they found They started digging with
37:24
Speaker 2: their bare hands, Joe, and they said, as soon as
37:27
Speaker 2: they started clearing the dirt, they smelled. They had a smell,
37:30
Speaker 2: and there were maggots. Now, Joe, what does the dirt
37:35
Speaker 2: with maggots and smell mean to you.
37:37
Speaker 1: Well, it means that you have you have remains. Now
37:42
Speaker 1: of course that you know, you're hoping against hope, if
37:45
Speaker 1: you're an investigator, that what you're about to uncover is
37:48
Speaker 1: not human remains. You hope that somebody took Fido out there,
37:52
Speaker 1: because the other thing that they may not have made
37:57
Speaker 1: note of at the time. You're also going to have flies,
38:01
Speaker 1: and those flies will be circling that area, copious flies.
38:08
Speaker 1: Flies burrow. People don't realize that they will burrow to
38:12
Speaker 1: get down to a specific area. They will lay their eggs.
38:18
Speaker 1: And you know the fact that you have maggot development.
38:24
Speaker 1: By this time, you could have gone through a couple
38:31
Speaker 1: of early generations of flies. I think you would find
38:35
Speaker 1: maggot husk, which means that you would find maggot that
38:41
Speaker 1: had actually developed or were beginning to develop, and they
38:44
Speaker 1: could shed husk. We don't really know about the timeline
38:47
Speaker 1: at this point. I'm waiting to hear more information from
38:50
Speaker 1: from a perspective, it's key relative to forensic entomology, because
38:54
Speaker 1: this is going to be key to talk about this.
38:59
Speaker 1: At the scene, one of the things that we do
39:01
Speaker 1: is that we actually collect a variety of samples of
39:06
Speaker 1: maggot at the scene and we put them into little
39:09
Speaker 1: glass jars and fill them with alcohol, and of course
39:13
Speaker 1: that puts them well, it kills them, but it puts
39:16
Speaker 1: them in a static or in stasis, so that we
39:20
Speaker 1: can hand these off to an entomologist and they can
39:23
Speaker 1: do an assessment on the development cycle of these maggots
39:27
Speaker 1: and it gives you a specific time, you know, how long,
39:30
Speaker 1: because they have a formula they can work out and
39:32
Speaker 1: they can say, this is how long it takes for
39:35
Speaker 1: a fly to lay an egg or the species of
39:38
Speaker 1: fly to lay an egg, and then this is how
39:41
Speaker 1: long you're going through the developmental cycle of these of
39:44
Speaker 1: these flows. If they're a husk lying about, which are
39:48
Speaker 1: shed that that outer heartshell it becomes a hard shell,
39:52
Speaker 1: that's also a clue you want to collect those. There
39:56
Speaker 1: may be maggot that are actually collected when you get
40:00
Speaker 1: back to back to the autopsy suite as well. And
40:06
Speaker 1: one of the interesting things we don't really know clothing
40:10
Speaker 1: status at least I don't at this point, but if
40:16
Speaker 1: there are any injuries, Dave, whatsoever. Okay, that's a big
40:23
Speaker 1: signal for the for the fly.
40:28
Speaker 2: Okay, well you know she was shot in the head.
40:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, we do, and that has just recently in the
40:34
Speaker 1: last few days they finally released or cause of death.
40:36
Speaker 1: So if you have a gunshot wound to the back
40:39
Speaker 1: of the head, that area would be It's kind of
40:45
Speaker 1: a fascinating thing. Sometimes you can look at a body, Dave,
40:49
Speaker 1: and where you will see a huge concentration of maggot activity.
40:53
Speaker 1: Many times that's an indication of an injury. Because the
40:56
Speaker 1: area is open, it's open, it's warm, it's wet. H
41:02
Speaker 1: These flies will lay their eggs in the spot because
41:05
Speaker 1: their goal, the flies goal is generationally to keep going.
41:09
Speaker 1: You know. They all they do is fly about and
41:13
Speaker 1: make baby flies and then they move on and their
41:16
Speaker 1: life cycle is very short, so they do this continuation thing.
41:20
Speaker 1: That's why. You know, if you show up on a
41:22
Speaker 1: decomposing remain and it's covered in flies, and it can
41:26
Speaker 1: be an animal remain, or it can be you know,
41:29
Speaker 1: it can be the remains of a human. It's the
41:32
Speaker 1: same process they you know, or food stuffs that are
41:35
Speaker 1: laid out, you know, so that can be a big
41:39
Speaker 1: tail there. And if there's if say, for instance, there
41:43
Speaker 1: are any orifices I'm trying to be very delicate with this,
41:46
Speaker 1: any orifices that are exposed, you will find uh, you
41:51
Speaker 1: will find eggs there as well, and also maggot activity.
41:56
Speaker 1: I've had cases day and it's a lot of it
41:59
Speaker 1: is mentally dependent upon how warm the area is. I've
42:04
Speaker 1: had people, Dave, I was just talking about this in
42:07
Speaker 1: class the other day. As a matter of fact, I've
42:10
Speaker 1: had cases where within I think two to three hours,
42:17
Speaker 1: I actually had fly eggs in the eyes of the
42:20
Speaker 1: deceased within two to three hours of death. And yet
42:25
Speaker 1: people don't always close their eyes and death that's a fallacy,
42:29
Speaker 1: and so you will. And the eyes are a particular
42:32
Speaker 1: interest to flies because it's wet and it's moist. They'll
42:34
Speaker 1: go into the nose and air eies and the mouth
42:37
Speaker 1: of the mouth is open, those sorts of things. So anyway, yeah,
42:40
Speaker 1: that's going to be a big part to this. The
42:42
Speaker 1: other part, though, is that they have now released the
42:47
Speaker 1: cause of death, and I guess the big question here
42:54
Speaker 1: is a couple of things. First off, where there was
43:00
Speaker 1: she killed in the spot? Was this area dugout? Well,
43:06
Speaker 1: obviously it was if they were having to dig down
43:09
Speaker 1: and they took a board and placed it over the top.
43:12
Speaker 1: If she was killed in that spot, was there a
43:15
Speaker 1: pre dug hole? Okay? Did they make her kneel and
43:19
Speaker 1: I'm saying they because at this time I don't know
43:22
Speaker 1: if there's only just one person involved. Did they make
43:26
Speaker 1: her kneel in the hole and shoot her execute her?
43:32
Speaker 1: Was there a spent casing that was recovered at the
43:34
Speaker 1: scene that could be tied back. That's going to be
43:37
Speaker 1: a big tail about the weapon. Do they recover a
43:39
Speaker 1: weapon and then also relationally from a physical standpoint of
43:47
Speaker 1: firing a weapon. Was the individual standing to her rear
43:54
Speaker 1: with her in a fully erect position and walked up
43:57
Speaker 1: behind her and shot or was she in an kneeling
44:00
Speaker 1: posture where they're firing down into the back of the head.
44:05
Speaker 1: Was the injury even to the back of the head
44:07
Speaker 1: or was it to the side of the head? Was
44:09
Speaker 1: it in the front of the head. I've had I've
44:11
Speaker 1: had execution stave that all planes of the head are used.
44:16
Speaker 1: It's not you know, people say this is interesting. People
44:20
Speaker 1: will say, well, it's a classic execution style killing. Well,
44:26
Speaker 1: what do you mean by that classic classic in what
44:29
Speaker 1: in the sense of you've been watching The Godfather, or
44:32
Speaker 1: in the sense of you've worked so many death scenes
44:36
Speaker 1: that this is all you've ever seen. Because I got
44:38
Speaker 1: to tell you, I've had people that were executed by
44:41
Speaker 1: being shot in the forehead. I've had people that have
44:44
Speaker 1: been executed shot in the temple. I've had people I've
44:47
Speaker 1: actually had one case where an individual was forced to
44:51
Speaker 1: place their mouth on the muzzle of the well and
44:52
Speaker 1: that is very rare. You see that in movies. So
44:56
Speaker 1: we don't really know. But the relationship, the physical relationship
45:00
Speaker 1: between the end of that muzzle and wherever, wherever the
45:06
Speaker 1: round wound up in this precious child's head is going
45:09
Speaker 1: to be key here because we'll know what kind of
45:12
Speaker 1: position she was in and those those you know, those
45:16
Speaker 1: last moments of her life there in that dark, dirty area,
45:21
Speaker 1: you know, and she's seemingly has exited her place of
45:27
Speaker 1: work under her own free will. We've got these messages
45:31
Speaker 1: what kind of relationship pre existed with this person who
45:35
Speaker 1: has now been charged I charged now at this point,
45:38
Speaker 1: not just with kidnapping, several other charges including they had
45:42
Speaker 1: a real interesting one on there, called causing a catastrophe,
45:46
Speaker 1: which I have never in my life heard this term before.
45:50
Speaker 1: And I guess that has to do with fire setting.
45:54
Speaker 2: They got in there too.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's arson, so yeah, they've really thrown the
45:58
Speaker 1: book at him and now he's staring down the barrel.
46:01
Speaker 1: No pun intended of homsaw charge as well.
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Speaker 2: Let me ask you something, Joe, because a concern of mine.
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Speaker 2: She was kidnapped, kidnapped the night of October the fourth,
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Speaker 2: or that's the night she left work. And they police
46:17
Speaker 2: know things they're not telling us, and they are saying
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Speaker 2: she was kidnapped. So I'm going to go with that.
46:23
Speaker 2: But she went to the parking lot. Maybe she was
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Speaker 2: being threatened, Hey, if you don't come out here, we're
46:27
Speaker 2: going to kill your parents. Yeah, I don't know, but
46:30
Speaker 2: she went to that parking lot under her own momentum, our,
46:35
Speaker 2: own wheels. And anyway, they're suggested. Her date of death
46:39
Speaker 2: is listed as October eighteenth, that's the day her body
46:42
Speaker 2: was found. Yeah, but they believed she was killed shortly
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Speaker 2: after she was kidnapped October the fourth.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for asking No, it's not thanks for asking this question.
46:53
Speaker 1: And because right now, I'm going to educate people on
46:57
Speaker 1: two terms. I'm so glad you set this up. And
47:01
Speaker 1: by the way, we did not plan this. I'm so
47:04
Speaker 1: glad you said this because data death and data pronouncement
47:07
Speaker 1: are two completely different things. If you watch any kind
47:11
Speaker 1: of like medical procedural show on television, they'll say, when
47:15
Speaker 1: did you you know where the person says, we're calling
47:18
Speaker 1: it now. You know, like that the physician or whoever
47:21
Speaker 1: it is, they're running a code in some emergency fictional
47:25
Speaker 1: emergency room. Well, yeah, that is a time of pronouncement.
47:30
Speaker 1: And in many states, depend upon the state you're in,
47:33
Speaker 1: the corner can actually pronounce, or the medical examiner can
47:36
Speaker 1: actually pronounce. You show up, you've got a decomposing body,
47:41
Speaker 1: the corner will write down a time of pronouncement. That is,
47:47
Speaker 1: that's an official designation that's to go on the death certificate. Okay,
47:53
Speaker 1: so we're going to call it today's date at this time.
47:57
Speaker 1: That's different than the time of death. Time of death
48:01
Speaker 1: is actually a diagnosis, if you will, a postmortem diagnosis,
48:06
Speaker 1: and the best you can do is kind of ballpark it,
48:09
Speaker 1: you know, So if you go back and remember when
48:13
Speaker 1: they think, when they think she actually died. Time of
48:17
Speaker 1: death is a single digit date time of death, and
48:22
Speaker 1: of course when she was pronounced is a double digit date,
48:25
Speaker 1: So you've got this time that has passed. But one
48:28
Speaker 1: is actually a biological finding that you're you know, you're
48:33
Speaker 1: kind of taking a stab at the dark in the dark,
48:35
Speaker 1: and this can be very confusing for people, and rightly
48:38
Speaker 1: it makes sense that it would be confusing, but they're
48:41
Speaker 1: completely two different things. I think what people are going
48:47
Speaker 1: to be asking is what she did, what she dead
48:55
Speaker 1: on that same night, or had she been spirited away
48:59
Speaker 1: somewhere because they've leaned into this kidnapping charge. Now, kidnapping
49:06
Speaker 1: does not mean that you kidnapped an individual and sustained
49:10
Speaker 1: them for a long period of time. However, I think
49:13
Speaker 1: that investigators, and rightly so, should entertain the thought. They're
49:17
Speaker 1: going to try to understand this and see if they
49:21
Speaker 1: can assess and forensics is going to be a big
49:24
Speaker 1: part of this. They're going to look at some forensic pathologist,
49:26
Speaker 1: they're going to look at an entomologist, and they're going
49:28
Speaker 1: to say, based on your findings, do you think that
49:31
Speaker 1: there's possibility she died relatively close to the last time
49:36
Speaker 1: she was seen alive because they'rein rest, a big change
49:41
Speaker 1: in the narrative, and also one more thing that we
49:43
Speaker 1: have to remember in her case. We have to remember
49:50
Speaker 1: that though one person has been charged with multiple offenses,
49:58
Speaker 1: there are others that are in case. Brother Dave and
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Speaker 1: I are going to keep you up to speed on
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Speaker 1: this case because, just like you, we want to know.
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Speaker 1: I want to know who else perhaps had a hand
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Speaker 1: in the destruction, the murder of this beautiful child and
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Speaker 1: robbed the world of someone that probably would have made
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Speaker 1: it a lot brighter. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this
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Speaker 1: is Bodybags.