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SYSK Selects: How Ghosts Work · Stuff You Should Know

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's your old pal Josh Ghoulish Clark. And
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  Speaker 1: for this week's special Halloween edition of s Y s
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  Speaker 1: K Selects, I've chosen our classic episode How Ghosts Work,
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  Speaker 1: which it turns out we recorded in July weirdly enough,
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  Speaker 1: but it seems appropriate to release this Saturday. So I
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  Speaker 1: hope you endured and boo. Welcome to Stuff you Should Know,
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  Speaker 1: a production of My Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles
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  Speaker 1: debe Chuck Bryant, and this is Stuff you should Know.
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  Speaker 1: Jerry's over there twiddling and fuxing around Halloween and Julie right,
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  Speaker 1: remember when we had the Horror fiction contest last year,
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  Speaker 1: Actually this may be July. Um yeah, yeah, yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: we I think that the deadline for submissions was in July.
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  Speaker 1: Was weird to be in that kind of Halloween mindset
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  Speaker 1: while it was hot out, but yeah, and I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: it was weird to ask the authors, or not to ask,
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  Speaker 1: but to have them get in that mindset to write
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  Speaker 1: something creepy. We definitely didn't command. You talked me out
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  Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, that was a good contest, also known
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  Speaker 1: as the contest that shall never happen again. Well, we
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  Speaker 1: also ended up with the one that we're going to
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  Speaker 1: read this year, right, I think, yeah, yeah, it's a
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  Speaker 1: good one. It is a good one. Uh, you guys
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  Speaker 1: will have to see in a few months what we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about is right, so chuck. Um, I myself have
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  Speaker 1: never officially seen a ghost, but I understand you have
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  Speaker 1: a ghost story. I do. I remarked about it and
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  Speaker 1: I said, oh, I'm gonna wait till we do our
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  Speaker 1: ghost podcast. Well here we are, pal is this it?
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  Speaker 1: Should I go? Now? Yeah? Okay, I'm not saying this
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  Speaker 1: was a ghost. What I'm saying is one night I
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  Speaker 1: saw something very very very strange that I cannot explain. Okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: are you ready? Yeah? I feel like she could have
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  Speaker 1: music or something. Year that could probably be done. Um
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  Speaker 1: so Athens Georgia College, I would say, I don't remember
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  Speaker 1: the exact year, but it was probably is. Um my
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  Speaker 1: best friend and I, Brett, had had gone out and um,
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  Speaker 1: we're going back home, uh and driving through five points
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  Speaker 1: you know the area. So we're coming from like let's
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  Speaker 1: say the direction of campus, and you know there's a
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  Speaker 1: cut through if you take a certain road and five
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  Speaker 1: points that cuts you over to Alps Road, and people
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  Speaker 1: are gonna be like, what is he talking about? I know,
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  Speaker 1: I just I'm talking to you here. Uh. And so
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  Speaker 1: there's this one area where you go around a road
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  Speaker 1: curves ninety degrees and then about i'd say two hundred
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  Speaker 1: feet after that there's a four way stop sign. It's
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  Speaker 1: very NEIGHBORHOODI area. I think that's like where Ray Golf
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  Speaker 1: used to live. He Vince Duley lives over there. That
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  Speaker 1: might be what you're thinking. So we go around this
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  Speaker 1: ninety degree curve and I'm looking, you know, I'm filling
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  Speaker 1: with the radio or something, and my buddy Brett starts,
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  Speaker 1: uh like kind of joke, screaming like, oh what is that?
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  Speaker 1: But getting around and I look up and in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of the intersection and I swear, people, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: making this up and I did not hallucinate it. This
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  Speaker 1: is God's honest truth. There was a what looked like
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  Speaker 1: a hundred year old woman wearing a black robe with
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  Speaker 1: a purple sash dagonal across her chest, and she was
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  Speaker 1: standing in the middle of the intersection holding a bible
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  Speaker 1: like this kind of on her placed on her fingertips
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  Speaker 1: as you would hold like like a waiter would hold
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  Speaker 1: a platter about chess level, and she was sort of
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  Speaker 1: looking in the other direction with kind of a vacant
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  Speaker 1: look on her face like you have now or is
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  Speaker 1: it just she was completely vacant, completely still didn't move
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  Speaker 1: an inch and wasn't like an hazy apparition, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: was solid and looked real, real, real, dude. It was
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  Speaker 1: so freaky. We pull right up on her to you know,
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  Speaker 1: take that left, and we're both kind of jokes screaming,
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  Speaker 1: but then as we get closer, we're like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: what's going on here? But it all happened in like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: fifteen seconds, so it wasn't a lot of time to register,
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  Speaker 1: you know what is this. We were just sort of
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  Speaker 1: getting around and we pull right by her and take
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  Speaker 1: a left, like you know, if this is her. We
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  Speaker 1: pull within feet of her, and she's on my side
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  Speaker 1: at this point because we're turning right by her. She
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  Speaker 1: doesn't blink, doesn't move a muscle, and we were going
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  Speaker 1: probably fifteen minur in this curve. He starts like he
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  Speaker 1: can't drive his stick shift anymore because he's freaking out.
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  Speaker 1: The cars like jerking and sputtering. He pulls over probably
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  Speaker 1: fifty ft later. We both turned around out the back
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  Speaker 1: window and there's nothing there. I'm getting looked chill bumps. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: And to this day, I have no idea what the
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  Speaker 1: heck it was. And it was either a crazy, crazy
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  Speaker 1: old woman who is really fast, which is really creepy
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  Speaker 1: and really fast, or the most believable Madam Tusso's wax
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  Speaker 1: dummy I've ever seen. It was also really fast that
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  Speaker 1: someone ran and set out there and we didn't see it,
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  Speaker 1: and then ran and took it away. I'm not offering
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  Speaker 1: any explanation, not saying it was a ghost, but I
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  Speaker 1: have no recollect or explanation for what it could have been.
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  Speaker 1: And it was the creepiest, weirdest thing I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 1: And we both described it to each other immediately, like
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  Speaker 1: what did you see? What did you see? Had gold leafing?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I can't say it was a Bible because
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  Speaker 1: I didn't see the cover, but it, you know, had
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  Speaker 1: that gold leafing around it looked like a bible. So
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  Speaker 1: you both saw the same thing, exact same thing. Purple sash,
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  Speaker 1: black robe, silver hair. That is one of the pernicious
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  Speaker 1: qualities of a ghost sighting is that frequently people will
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  Speaker 1: see the same thing. Two different people will see the
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  Speaker 1: same thing, which lends a tremendous amount of credence to
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  Speaker 1: something because if one person just sees it, well it's
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  Speaker 1: a hallucination. Exactly. You were clearly on something, we were not.
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  Speaker 1: But that's what somebody could say. Both of you saw it.
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  Speaker 1: Even if you both were on something, right, that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: mean you're gonna see the exact same thing. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't like some big ghost guy. I'd never have
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  Speaker 1: had looked for them or say, oh I believe in ghosts.
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  Speaker 1: It would just out of nowhere of boom, there it
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  Speaker 1: happened right exactly. Um. You can also go a little
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  Speaker 1: further if you're a skeptic and say, well, I mean
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  Speaker 1: Chuck and Brett Brett just kind of we're playing off
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  Speaker 1: one another description and they came to some unconsciously came
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  Speaker 1: to an agreement of this. You guys compiled the story
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  Speaker 1: and you saw the same thing that. However you approach
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  Speaker 1: that probably depends on whether you're part of the or
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  Speaker 1: the forty percent of Americans who don't believe in ghosts
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  Speaker 1: or who do believe in ghosts. According to a two
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  Speaker 1: thousand nine CBS News poll. I had never given it
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  Speaker 1: much thought, but after that I was I was definitely like, well,
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  Speaker 1: if that was a ghost and I just saw one, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And I researched a little bit, but this was long
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  Speaker 1: ago before the internets was born, and so I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: find anything. And even looked yesterday just to see if
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  Speaker 1: I could find out anything, if there was some sightings
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  Speaker 1: or some old lady have been killed or anything, and nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Now I couldn't find anything. So that was just your
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  Speaker 1: own personal ghost. Maybe we're just some creepy old woman
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  Speaker 1: who was still in not blinking as a car barrel
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  Speaker 1: towards her. Either way, that is very unsettling either way. Um,
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  Speaker 1: And that's a pretty good ghost story. It was a
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  Speaker 1: good one. It was not a mask, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: can say that for sure. Like we pulled up within
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  Speaker 1: feet of her, Like I looked in her face and
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  Speaker 1: she and she didn't move a mustle, didn't move a muscle. Man.
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  Speaker 1: That's scary. It was the scariest thing that's ever happened
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  Speaker 1: to me. And we told that story many many times
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  Speaker 1: over the years, and everyone's always like, really, and I
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  Speaker 1: always say, I swear, why would I make this up?
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  Speaker 1: So that's my ghost story. That's a good ghost story.
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  Speaker 1: You can reach us on Facebook, right, Yeah, it's time
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  Speaker 1: for message break. All right. Wait, wait, Jerry, it's not
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  Speaker 1: really time for message break. But she left pretty quick.
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  Speaker 1: So we're talking ghosts. And like I said, forty percent
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  Speaker 1: of Americans believe in ghosts, don't. Yeah, And I think
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people, especially after reading this, there's the
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  Speaker 1: whole you know, I really miss my deceased relative, and
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  Speaker 1: I go to seances and I think those things the
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  Speaker 1: mind can play tricks on you. But in my case,
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  Speaker 1: it was just like those are the ones where I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: what's going on here? You know, well, it's pretty much
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  Speaker 1: impossible to disprove something or to prove something doesn't exist,
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  Speaker 1: which is one reason why belief in ghosts continues on.
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  Speaker 1: But there's also a lot of um. There's also a
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  Speaker 1: lot of factors in ghosts that accumulated create this body
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  Speaker 1: of you know, ghost belief. What our ghost ghostly sightings, hauntings, appversions,
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  Speaker 1: all that stuff. Sure that um kind of over time
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  Speaker 1: have taken on a life of their own, or I
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  Speaker 1: should say, have been around for thousands and thousands of
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  Speaker 1: years um, and have not been dispelled by science. Um.
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  Speaker 1: So we're going to kind of approach this from like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, here's what people believe ghosts are, and here's
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  Speaker 1: some scientific explanations for it. But throughout this you'll notice
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  Speaker 1: that at no point are we ever going to say
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  Speaker 1: conclusively science has proven that ghost don't exist, because it
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  Speaker 1: kind of can't. That's not to say that people aren't
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  Speaker 1: using the scientific method to study ghosts, because some are,
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  Speaker 1: and my hat is off to these people most of all. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so let's hug cohosts man. All right, well I just
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  Speaker 1: described my encounter, which, like I said, wasn't hazy or weird. Um, well,
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  Speaker 1: it was weird. It wasn't like a hazy apparition. But
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  Speaker 1: many times as an apparition, um, sometimes it's lights, it
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  Speaker 1: seems to hit every sense. Sometimes it's a smell um,
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  Speaker 1: like Tracy pointed out in this article, like the smell
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  Speaker 1: of deceased relative's favorite meal being cooked in the other room,
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  Speaker 1: stuff like that. Or the smell of the deceased relative
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  Speaker 1: just smelled something like rotting. But it was just a
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  Speaker 1: roll in the wall, right exactly. It can be a song,
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  Speaker 1: can be flickering lights, can be uh, orbs in a picture.
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  Speaker 1: We'll talk about that, or a ghost in a picture.
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  Speaker 1: Like there's plenty of those. Hey, I got you got
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  Speaker 1: a Google. It's pretty fun to look at those. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and there's some that are like this one's not quite
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  Speaker 1: explained to my full satisfaction. Yeah, some of the If
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  Speaker 1: you look up famous ghost pictures, there's a handful that
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  Speaker 1: have made the rounds over the years that are pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: Like the Lady of Brown Hall, I believe is that
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  Speaker 1: the girl with a fire? No, that's a good one.
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  Speaker 1: That's a real good one. Um, there's a woman descending
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  Speaker 1: a staircase like a ghostly woman. Um. Freddie Jackson the
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  Speaker 1: World War two, World War One pilot killed or mechanic.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry he was killed, and then he showed up
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  Speaker 1: in a group photo two days later. Um. That one
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  Speaker 1: was explained as a double exposure, which I mean, just
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  Speaker 1: the coincidence behind it is in and of itself staggering
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  Speaker 1: if that is the explanation, and for of course it
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  Speaker 1: also could be a hoax. But it's a pretty good on.
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  Speaker 1: Freddy Jackson is my favorite one. I think my favorite
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  Speaker 1: is the Old West. Did you see that one? It's
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  Speaker 1: like boothill or something it was in I think, and
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  Speaker 1: this guy dressed up like a cowboy and you know,
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  Speaker 1: had his picture made but with his friend. And then
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  Speaker 1: in the back ground you see this guy. Yeah I
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  Speaker 1: did like kind of peeking up maybe behind a tombstone. Um,
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  Speaker 1: just in the brush. Yeah, And supposedly these things were
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  Speaker 1: verified by photo experts and stuff is having been untouched.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, because photoshop is making it way easier to
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  Speaker 1: screw with photography, but it's also fairly easy to detect too.
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  Speaker 1: If you really dig into the individual pixels, you can say, well,
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  Speaker 1: this is obviously, and especially these old photos when they're
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  Speaker 1: examining negatives, it's not that those weren't photoshops, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it could be light playing tricks. But when you see
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  Speaker 1: a girl standing by the rail of you know, with
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  Speaker 1: a fire behind her, that one is explained as the
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  Speaker 1: girl in the fire. Yeah, that was explained as a
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  Speaker 1: just a sheer chance mixture of smoke and light. And
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  Speaker 1: then our um programming, like us being hardwired to pick
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  Speaker 1: faces out of anything. I don't know, man, that looked
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  Speaker 1: pretty much like a girl to me. It definitely doesn't it. Yeah. Um,
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  Speaker 1: And then of course there's the funny things like the
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  Speaker 1: three minute a Baby Ghost, which was a cut out
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  Speaker 1: of Dead Dancing, or The Wizard of Oz, like Hanging Munchkin,
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  Speaker 1: which was although I have to say, since you bring
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  Speaker 1: it up, one of the greatest short you know, I
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  Speaker 1: love short horror fiction. Of course they're one of the
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  Speaker 1: greatest um ones I've ever read. Was called The Hanging
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  Speaker 1: Man of Oz. It's like, um it was. It's only
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  Speaker 1: just a few years old, but it's a good little
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  Speaker 1: short story. Yeah. Yeah, this guy who like gets kind
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  Speaker 1: of caught up in like looking for it. It's good,
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  Speaker 1: good horror fiction. Um. This doesn't have to do with
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  Speaker 1: go But supposedly there's a murder captured on Google Earth.
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  Speaker 1: Have you seen that making the rounds? No, it's an
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  Speaker 1: aerial shot obviously of a dock somewhere in Europe, I think,
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  Speaker 1: by the water, and it looks like a guy's like
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  Speaker 1: dragging a dead body in a big pool of blood
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  Speaker 1: toward the water. But they I think they've debunked that
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  Speaker 1: it was a dog who had shaken off and gotten
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  Speaker 1: the ground wet, and people verified later like, yeah, that
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  Speaker 1: was me and my dog, and yeah, I stop asking
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  Speaker 1: questions because my dog soone posted in on our Facebook wall.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean you bring up a that's that's a
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  Speaker 1: really good like you see what you want exactly. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But again we say, you can't really prove that ghost
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  Speaker 1: stone exists. So people are like, prove it doesn't prove anything,
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  Speaker 1: you know. Um, if you can prove that a photograph
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  Speaker 1: has been faked, then you've proven it's been faked. But
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  Speaker 1: you can't just look in and be like, oh, I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure it's a fake that doesn't muster. Yeah, so they
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  Speaker 1: we we've covered photos. They show up in photos. Well
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  Speaker 1: why are they here? I mean there's a lot of explanations,
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  Speaker 1: like they're delivering bad news or good news, right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of ghost stories where, um, the dead
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  Speaker 1: have suddenly appeared to a relative on the other side
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  Speaker 1: of the planet at the moment they died. Like the
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  Speaker 1: relative wakes up the next day to find out that
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  Speaker 1: the person died at nine a m. When they just
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  Speaker 1: saw them sitting in their room at that same time.
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  Speaker 1: So sometimes they're they're coming to say, hey, I love you,
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  Speaker 1: see you in fifteen years, um, or they're coming to
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  Speaker 1: say you're about to die. That's another that's the worst
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  Speaker 1: long standing legend. Yeah, or they're about to say like, um,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's a should sell your Yahoo stock now, that'd
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  Speaker 1: be a good ghost, right. Um. You know, there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of stuff you can you can say that people
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  Speaker 1: have attributed to ghosts and why they're here. Um, there's
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  Speaker 1: also that horrible um experience as their last moments. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they they are at the point where they died too
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  Speaker 1: young or uh, maybe have just gone back to their
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  Speaker 1: favorite place in life. Um, earthbound spirits, I think is
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  Speaker 1: what paranormal investigators call those situations, like they're stuck here
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  Speaker 1: or it's like, you know, get off my train type
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  Speaker 1: of situation. They're guarding a place. Maybe there's not one,
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  Speaker 1: but two um ghost women at the Hotel del del
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  Speaker 1: Coronado in San Diego, very famous late night eighteenth century
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  Speaker 1: built hotel resort um and both of them took their
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  Speaker 1: own lives at the hotel when they found out they
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  Speaker 1: were pregnant at a wedlock or one was married but
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  Speaker 1: her husband and left her and so they're in two
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  Speaker 1: different rooms still. But that's an example of a ghost
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  Speaker 1: being tied to a place. Yeah. And um, we have
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  Speaker 1: an article on the site about haunted hotels that a
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  Speaker 1: lot of hotels and all around the world, but especially
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  Speaker 1: in places like New Orleans and um like old spooky Spanish.
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  Speaker 1: I guess the Cornetto is probably one of those. There's one,
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  Speaker 1: and I believe Colorado or the one they used for
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  Speaker 1: the Overlooking No. Um, it's it's just like a plain
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  Speaker 1: o like regular cool hotel, but it has like a
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  Speaker 1: stream running through the lobby. Yeah, which is cool in
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  Speaker 1: and of itself. And I don't remember where I saw this,
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  Speaker 1: but um, it was like on some TV show or
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  Speaker 1: this it's like a super haunted hotel supposedly, see like
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  Speaker 1: the ghost Waiter, is it? I don't I don't remember.
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  Speaker 1: I don't wait through the the river, Yeah, he had
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  Speaker 1: his pants rolled up and yeah, flipp the caviary pop
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  Speaker 1: is awesome. Uh that is the best of must right then,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Um. And you know there are mediums out
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  Speaker 1: there who uh you know, if you saw the movie
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  Speaker 1: Ghost Whoopy Goldberg. Obviously there's many times hucksters trying to
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  Speaker 1: take advantage of people, saying they can contact people, put
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  Speaker 1: you in touch with your relatives that have passed. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm sure they're very There are a lot of
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  Speaker 1: mediums who really believe what they're doing is for real,
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  Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. And what's what's kind of ironic is um.
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  Speaker 1: There's this really great article, it's just a little quick
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  Speaker 1: editorial actually from Los Angeles Times in two thousand and six,
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  Speaker 1: is called The Science Afraid of Ghosts is written by
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  Speaker 1: Deborah bloom Right, and she basically points out that like
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  Speaker 1: we we used to have psychical research societies, like William James,
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  Speaker 1: effectively the founder of psychology, like investigated the paranormal as
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  Speaker 1: well and conducted like extensive real scientific experiments and along
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  Speaker 1: the way debunked a lot of mediums, like the nineteenth century,
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  Speaker 1: the Victorian era, um. And so part of this investigation
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  Speaker 1: into the paranormal um was not just it wasn't just
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: to prove that ghosts existed. It was just to understand
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: the paranormal on its own terms. And along the way, say,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: this person is a fraud, this person is a huckster.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: This ectoplasm is cheesecloth that they had like stuffed in
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: their cheek, you know. Um, And and that was part
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: of it. And over time I think science has just
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: kind of thrown out the whole thing, the baby with
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: the bath water, and now it's just up to uh
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: kind of the more mean spirited section of the skeptical
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: world to just go after and debunk. There's nobody looking
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: for There are very few people looking to prove or
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: disprove the existence of ghosts. It's more just like this
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: photograph was faked, right, you know what I mean? Yeah? Um,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: And on photographs, I guess we should talk about orbs
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: um very famously. Orbs show up in pictures, and uh,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: some people, you know, say that that is a very
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: um specific part of the journey of the ghost is
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: when they are an ORB. I have an ORB picture
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: which I'll post on Facebook. Emily believes it is our grandfather.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: We he had just passed away, and the photograph he
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: was the biggest dog lover I've ever known. And Uh,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: we had just finished our fencing in our backyard and
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: our house that we bought. So it had been like
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: six or eight months that our dogs couldn't go back there.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: So we finally let them back there, and I had
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: a camera. It was like, I gotta take pictures to this,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: and they start playing around like crazy, and in one
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: of the pictures there's an ORB boom right there above
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: the dogs playing, and Emily was like, that's Charlie, that's
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: my grandfather. He's coming to visit. So I didn't debunk that.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: But supposedly skeptics will say that could be a camera
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: flash reflecting off with thus particles I use, no flash,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: water spots on the camera lens, bone dry uh defects,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: and digital camera sensors. I guess it could be that
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: although it was a new camera and it's never done
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: that sense or printing errors. It was not printed or developed,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: so who knows. I'm just saying I've got a great
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: ORB photo that I'll post my dog's playing. You raise
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: a really good question then, like, I mean, what's the
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: what's the value of debunking that I don't know photo?
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: It made him only feel nice? It still does, so
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: why I mean, what is the value? I mean, I
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: guess we'll cover it later. Yeah, but there's this, uh
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: that that question keeps coming up to me throughout the
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: researching this. It's like it's not hurting anybody, right, Um,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: so chuck uh. I guess a really good question. If
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about how ghost work is, what would
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: ghosts be made of? Like we said, the Victorians believe
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: that they were made of ectoplasm. Today, if you talk
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: to a someone who believes in ghosts and like researchers
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: ghosts and like that's part of their world. They prevailing
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: idea is that they're made of energy of somehow okay
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I can't remember which, a lot of thermodynamic state. That
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: energy cannot be created or destroyed, just transferred states. That
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: would be a pretty good understanding of what ghosts are
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: if they are real. So a life force that had
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: passed from a live person is now a different kind
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: of energy exactly, Um, medic Chlorians, what is that? This
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: is the Star Wars? Okay, is how they explained the force?
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Who are the medic Chlorians? I don't remember. It was
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: very disappointing, though it sounds really familiar. Was it from
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: the newer three? Yeah? Yeah, it was how they explained. Basically,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: they explained what the force was, and everyone was like,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: why don't you go and do that? I got you.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I remember that now. Um. Other theories are that um,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: if they are some sort of energy, they could also
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: be some form of matter, right, so maybe they're made
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: of some sort of quantum particles or an arrangement of
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: quantum particles, which I find kind of an interesting explanation
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: because think about it, ghosts can are They're frequently said
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: to be able to travel through solid matter. Right. Well,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: if you go down to the quantum level and you
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: start looking at transistors, there's a big problem in early
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: transistor um development and that individual electrons can pass right
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: through the wall of a transistor. It's called quantum tunneling,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: and um they had to figure out how to use
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: crystals to kind of block trans electrons in to make
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: them flow the way you wanted rather than just be like, oh,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I'm over here now. So some people say, well, maybe
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: these are some sort of quantum particles or an arrangement
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: of quantum particles that were able to perceive somehow, right,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: And then the question I would have is is there
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: a consistent uh explanation on why some people might become
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: a ghost and some others not? And the answer is no,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Or are they everywhere and some you just have a
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: stronger energy force or something? Who knows? Yeah? Because I
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: mean if if people tend to perceive ghosts more than others,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: and that typically from studies has been shown to be
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: people who believe in ghosts tend to see them more often,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: report hauntings. Um, why wouldn't they see them all the time? Yeah,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Like why wouldn't so? Yeah, that would indicate that there
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: is something about an individual person that would make them
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: become a ghost. So many questions. Well, the whole unfinished business,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: like it died too young. Things I can wrap my
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: head around that, Like an energy force that was so
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: strong that has now gone still could be around. Um,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to decide what part I'd lie in. Do
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I believe in ghosts? I think so? Okay. So there's
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: a dude named Richard Wiseman of a University of Hertfordshire,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: and he's done a lot of research in gb Great Britain,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: and he has found some pretty consistent results that people
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: have generally reported the same things in the same places,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: even if they didn't know there was any ghost activity there,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: even if they did or didn't believe. Actually, if they
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: did believe, they were more, like you said, more apt
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: to see a ghost. But he had consistent results of
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: specific places. Yeah, I mean like he applied the scientific
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: method to researching ghosts, and he he documented what what parts,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: what areas in a reportedly haunted place. Sightings were most
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: frequently reported basically found that, like you could, you could
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: map out areas where sightings were. Okay, so that's step one,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: and then step two. We had people who who encountered
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: ghosts described their experiences, and he kind of compiled the data.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Then he went back to see what other commonalities there
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: were for an area. Yeah, like physical conditions there, Yes,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: like how cold is it? Is it humid? Um? Let
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: me measure the light, let me measure the magnetic field? Right.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: What he found, though, interestingly, was that um, there were
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: specific areas where people who had no understanding of the
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: history of the place they were seeing where it heard
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: that the area was haunted, had reported seeing something. So
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: there was something to a specific area being quote haunted,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: And people who didn't necessarily believe in ghosts or didn't
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: know that the place was supposed to be haunted had
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: reported not only that they'd seen a sighting or something
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: in this building, but in the specific area of this building. Yeah,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: what does that mean? It's a consistent study, right, So,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: and Wiseman is a part of this kind of long
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: but very um small, smally sparsely populated um tradition of
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: like paranormal researchers, like legitimate ones I could get into that. Man.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: When I was a kid, I used to want to
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: go to Duke and study paranormal or para psychology there. Yeah,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: they had a para of psychology department. It was led
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: by a guy named Joseph Ryan, who was another like
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: legitimate para psychological researcher. Um, you could have gotten a
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: TV show on Science Chip, Yeah, totally. U c l
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: A used to have one from I think now they
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: shut it down and I think the mid eighties, but
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: it was around from like the fifties or sixties up
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: to the eighties and it was well respected. Um. William
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: James was another researcher. Uh. As of the nineties, James,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Huron and Renny Lange are still doing research and writing books. Um.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Harry Price was a very famous one. Yeah. He was
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: famous for investigating Borderley Rectory, which was supposed to be
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: like the most haunted place in England. And then now,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: if you want to get a degree in paras psychology,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: you can go to the American University or you can
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: go to University of Edinburgh. Those are the two places
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: as far as I know, in the Western world where
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: you can get a paras psychology degree. I could see
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: that the Great Britain's has a lot of um ghostly
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: activity and paranormal investigators, and they're into it over there,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: and Edinburgh is supposed to be the most haunted city
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: in all of Europe. Really a bunch of dissatisfied scotsman
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: roaming the bog. Right. Um, so we've kind of laid
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: it out right, Yeah, I feel like we've laid it out,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: like we've got them. We all understand what ghosts. I
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: don't think we really said anything that people are like,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, sure, I didn't realize that's what a ghost is. Um.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: What I found interesting is that there's some really good
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: explanations for ghostly activity. Yeah. Sometimes Tracy points out, I
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: mean there's so many explanations. There's such a wide range
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: from this person just hallucinated something, right, And I want
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: to say with that, specifically, we're starting to understand that
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: hallucinations are way more common than anybody has admitted for
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: a very long time because we are afraid of being
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: put away or label is crazy. But people hallucinate more
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: than we generally understand they do. And specifically, grief is
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: supposed to be able to trigger hallucinations. Pretty really which
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: would explain visitation and dead relatives shortly after they die. Yeah. Um,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: we've talked about sleep paralysis before. That's an explanation that
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: you hear a lot about someone laying in bed. They
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: can't move and they are hallucinating, um, spirits and things. Right,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: they think they're awake, but they're not. Yeah, and you're
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: incapable of moving. There's also the hypnogogic trance, which comes
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: at the onset of sleep and is a sort of
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: trance that supposedly you can hallucinate in. Yeah, I've had
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: that happen before, Like in my wake am I sleep
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: that I just hear something? Oh yeah, yeah, sure, you know. Um.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: And then sometimes it's just you know, the window shut
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: itself because it was loose and the wind blew it,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: or the door shut because there was a draft, or
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: it's cold in here because you know there's a draft.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: You know, a lot of times there's just literally an explanation,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: a physical explanation for what happened. So, um, you you
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: hit upon. One of the hallmarks of haunting activity is
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: a change in temperature and unexplained change in temperature in
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: a haunted room when a ghost is present and like
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: you said, it's often like a chimney or a drafty
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: window or something like that. But people who investigate this
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: kind of thing also often explain that phenomenon by um,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: a lack of humidity. Right, Lower humidity can make a
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: room feel colder. Right? And what about an area of
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: a room? Though I don't know, I mean, I don't
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: like that's that's a really good question, dude. How can
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: an area of a room be number one colder if
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: if there isn't a draft, If it's not a draft,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: it's just like a static area in a room that's cold. Um,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: if there's just a decrease in humidity, what causes the
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: decrease in humidity that makes it feel colder? And they
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: have found that um areas that are supposedly haunted, well,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I should say, Richard Wiseman found in one place that
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: was supposedly haunted, UM, it tended to be less humid
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: than other areas, So that would explain the cold chill.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: But how is one area just a part of a
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: room less humid than another. Yeah, and I'm curious about
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: what kind of temperature drop people have seen, um, Like
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: how drastic it's been. I couldn't find any like reputable
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: information on that. Like in the movies, you walk into
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: the corner and you can see your breath all of
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: a sudden and you're freezing. Yeah, like the sixth sense, right, yeah, yeah,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: that poor kid. Um. But also I wonder then if
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: it's not even necessarily a real change in temperature. Supposedly
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: ghost hunters can measure changes in temperature in a room
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: and that means the ghost is present. Or if it's
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: just the sensation of a chill running through your body
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: and it's not actually thermal, it's psychological. Yeah, your your
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: central nervous system. Yeah, I just got chill bumps earlier.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: You know, you did. What about the electrical fields? That's um,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: A very common thing is for a parent noormal investigator
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: to measure magnetic field and electrical fields in an area. Um,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: they will say that this is kind of proof that
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: there's some sort of presence there because the you know,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: the Ghostbusters E meter is going crazy? Right, exactly what
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: do they call that? I can't believe. We can't remember that.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: I can't remember it either, the one that that Egan
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: held up to Uh yeah, yeah, I don't remember what
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: it's called. We're going to get in trouble for that. Yeah, sorry, guys. UM,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: But sometimes, UM, these fields can cause wacky things happening
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: with the brain, can cause hallucinations, can cause dazziness or
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: or other neurological symptoms. And they're saying that might play
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: into it, the fact that you think you have seen
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: a ghost right there, they're saying. Investigators are saying, yeah,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: there actually is something different here with the UM. The
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: area's electrical field, electro magnetic field. There's something going on here.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: But it's possible that that's what's making you think there's
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: a ghost here, rather than there's a ghost here and
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: it's affecting the field. It's hitting your angular gyrus right,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: that's a part of the brain that UM. Evidently, if
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: it's stimulated, you can get the sense that someone's behind
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: you mimicking your movements. Yeah, which is pretty creepy. I mean,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: we're we're all familiar with the transcranial magnetic stimulation the
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: thinking cap. That's a cool episode. UM. And when you
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: apply a magnetic pulse to different parts of the brain,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: different things happen, and one of them is definitely hallucinations.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: And then another example of UM, the magnetic field messing
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: with us. I guess is that a lot of haunting
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: activity is reported at night, supposedly UM. And that's right exactly,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: that's that's number one. But number two the magnetosphere, you know,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: the the the part of the Earth's atmosphere that protects
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: us from the charged ions of solar wind, the way
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: that the Earth is arranged to the Sun, the part
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: that's in darkness. UM has a larger part of the
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: magnetosphere surrounding it, more warped toward that. So that might
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: explain it then, right, so it looks like a spider.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: It does, but there's a lot more UM magnetic field
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: activity going on in the darker side of Earth, so
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: at night that one could be a stretch. Yeah. I
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: think my favorite UM explanation that I had not heard
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: about is infrasound. I think that's pretty cool. This to
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: me is that, Yeah, it's UM low frequency sound waves
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: that you cannot hear. You know, with your naked ear,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: you won't notice it, but it can cause your eyes
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: to vibrate, it can cause you to see things, you
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: can cause a sense of dread. UM and cracked. Actually,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: one of our favorite websites did a test at a concert,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: didn't they Well, they reported on it. There was a
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: they don't do test, that's right, they report on test.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: But yeah, there's a great correct article on it. UM.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: And they're talking about In the fifties, a guy named
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Vladismir Vladimir Gavreaux, robotics engineer, noticed that like one of
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: his lab assistants was bleeding from an ear. It's not good,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: and traced it to UM to this infrasound. I think
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: it's like seven and nineteen hurts and UM. You can't
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: hear it, like you don't realize you're hearing sound, but
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: you're reacting to it. And like you said, it causes
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: all sorts of like weird psychological effects, like a sense
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: of dread, a sense that there's somebody else near you. Um,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: all the classic telltale signs of hauntings, so much so
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: that they've traced literal like hauntings back to infrasound. Yeah,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: the Ghost in the Machine is an article UM by
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Victandy and Tony Lawrence that the same thing was going
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: on there and they traced it back to a fan
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: and then they modified the fans housing the sound went
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: away and the supposed haunting went away, right exactly. I mean,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: isn't that weird? Though? Like, surely you've been in a
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: room before that you just had to turn around and
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: run out of because you just knew that there's somebody
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: else in there with you. You have, I have plenty
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: of times sort of. But I think it's like I've
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: been in like Savannah near you know, on the ghost tour.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Like I'm highly suggestible what I'm saying. But isn't it
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: strange to think that a sound that you can't hear
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: it was responsible for producing that that? Like we're our
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: brains are that malleable that like just a sound we
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: can't even hear, but the vibrations we can still sense
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: somehow are having an effect on our brain and scaring
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: us and making us turn around and run out of yeah,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: and potentially twitching your eye and causing hallucinations. Right, So
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: this sound has been shown. NASA showed that um that
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: an infrasound at that frequency can make your eye vibrate imperceptibly.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: But then something close to your vision, like say the
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: rim of your glasses or something appear, Your brain confuses
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: and things that that's moving, So it looks like there's
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: a little dark figure moving out of the corner of
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: your eye. Infrasound can actually cause visual and audit well
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: not auditory hallucination, psychological yeah, psychological effects and visual hallucinations.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: So and the creation of a sense of dread. Yeah,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: that's yeah. I want to get an infrasound machine. It's
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: just like played around the office. You know, there may
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: already be one here. Well. I don't even think we
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: said what the guy did though at the concert? Did
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: we know he played? Did he play it? Under the
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: concert and people were freaking out? Yeah? I think like
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: a quarter of the people at the concert reported feeling
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: like horrible dread and like some nausea. Um. Maybe because
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: it was a Doctor John show. That's the first awful
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  Speaker 1: thing I could think of. Dr John's correct. I know,
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  Speaker 1: I knew you were gonna say that. It really is.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like you shoul see that guy played two
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  Speaker 1: pianos at once. Yeah, he's he's he's a legend. What
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  Speaker 1: am I talking about? You're thinking of? Um? Maybe Dr
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  Speaker 1: Hook and the Medicine Show. No Dr Demento. I was
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  Speaker 1: trying to think of the worst band I can think of,
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  Speaker 1: and that's the first thing that came to my mind,
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  Speaker 1: that's who you thought of. Nickelback is out there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was a Nickelback show. There. We can fix this
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  Speaker 1: in editing, Okay, Um, so what else? I think The
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  Speaker 1: last thing Tracy has here is that, um, the National
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  Speaker 1: Science Board is actually come out and said that if
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: you believe in paranormal it can be dangerous because that
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  Speaker 1: means you have reduced critical thinking skills and you can't
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: make great day to day decisions. It's kind of mean.
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  Speaker 1: That irked me because on the other end of the spectrum,
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  Speaker 1: you can definitely make the case that just pooh pooing
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  Speaker 1: out of hand as non existent anything that science can explain.
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  Speaker 1: It shows a distinct lack of critical thinking and even
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  Speaker 1: more dangerously, a lack of imagination, and that irks me
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  Speaker 1: to no end. Yeah, I enjoyed that you sent me
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  Speaker 1: the skepdoid. Brian Dunning is that the same his article,
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  Speaker 1: and I kind of appreciated his approach with this was
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  Speaker 1: you know, uh, maybe that means there's other cool ways
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  Speaker 1: to explain these things, right, like don't poopo it. Maybe
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: open your mind to other interesting phenomena that can be explained. Well,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: he was saying, don't just assume that if you just
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: stop at it was a ghost, then there wasn't. Right,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: then you're you're pursuing. You're just you're not pursuing any longer,
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  Speaker 1: one way or another. Yea. And yeah, you're you're kind
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  Speaker 1: of shutting down these avenues that could be really interesting
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  Speaker 1: and eye opening. I appreciated that. I appreciated his approach
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: to because he's a huge skeptic, but he's not. He
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  Speaker 1: didn't take like a James Randy esque glee or delight
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  Speaker 1: in destroying the illusions of idiots, you know. Yeah, And
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: I think that's his deal period as people. Uh, I
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: think he gets accused of that oftentimes, is you know,
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  Speaker 1: a fun killer and he's like, that's not what I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to do here. I'm trying to apply research and
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: real science, two things. I think he likes killing fun
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. Maybe a little bit. So that's ghosts. Yeah, done,
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