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Proposal Switcheroo · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 1: with IR Radio. Hey everyone, welcome to the Almost Famous podcast.
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Speaker 1: It is me. This week, Ben is still out on
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Speaker 1: his honeymoon. I think he might be like in transit
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Speaker 1: back to home from St Barth St Barth St Barth,
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Speaker 1: follow me or whatever you call it. UM, So he'll
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Speaker 1: be back next week to regale us with all of
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Speaker 1: his honeymoon tales or at least the details that he'll
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Speaker 1: let us in on. Very excited about that. But today
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Speaker 1: we have Jacqueline Trumbull. You may remember her as the psychologist.
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Speaker 1: She was studying psychology UM when she was on RI
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Speaker 1: season and she's just about to wrap up her current
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Speaker 1: PhD program at Duke University UM. So we're gonna have
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Speaker 1: her to come on and talk about this episode, which
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Speaker 1: guys like, what is going on? I cannot believe Clayton
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Speaker 1: is the Bachelor. That is my biggest takeaway. Still can't
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Speaker 1: believe it. But before we get her on the line,
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Speaker 1: I do want to give out our batch bracket rule
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Speaker 1: of the week. Are you ready for it? Batch Bracket
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Speaker 1: rule the week four, Week seven is minus five points
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Speaker 1: if a contestant says they are quote jealous of another
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Speaker 1: contestant or another contestants relationship or time with Michelle. So
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Speaker 1: this will be for the I believe, the Hometown Day episode,
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Speaker 1: so look out for the word jealous. All right, let's
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Speaker 1: get Jacqueline and catch up with her for a second
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Speaker 1: before we dive into the episode, and man like, I
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Speaker 1: think her her background in psychology might help us break
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Speaker 1: it down a bit. Alright, guys, we got Jacqueline Trumbull
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Speaker 1: on the line. Do I say guys too much? I'm
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Speaker 1: always like, okay, guys, hey, guys, I'm sorry that must
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Speaker 1: be very annoying for y'all out there. But Jacqueline is here,
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Speaker 1: and Jacqueline, what's what are you up to? We knew
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Speaker 1: that you were studying psychology back on our season, but
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Speaker 1: you're still You're going for your PhD now at Duke.
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Speaker 1: I am, yeah, I'll be doing that for approximately forever.
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Speaker 1: How much longer do we have until you're a practicing psychologists? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's a six year program, so I am in the
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Speaker 1: third year right now, and then after that I'm still
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Speaker 1: wanta be a licensed for like another two years. So
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Speaker 1: maybe when I'm thirty seven, I'll make money. But oh
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Speaker 1: my gosh, well, I'd love to hear how you watch
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Speaker 1: how you think you watch the Bachelor franchise differently because
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Speaker 1: of your studies. Oh gosh, um, I think I mean
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Speaker 1: more than anything. I think I just watch how like
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Speaker 1: produced and manipulated it is. And then I see you know,
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Speaker 1: the contestants reactions to like what's happening to them. Do
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Speaker 1: you think that's from your experience on the show or
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Speaker 1: do you think that's I didn't. I didn't feel overtly
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Speaker 1: manipulated at the time, but I can see how the
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Speaker 1: same like storylines keep happening and just you know, just
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Speaker 1: like some tinkering. But I what I found really interesting
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Speaker 1: about the show on my time and now is that
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Speaker 1: it felt like it created its own little culture. And um,
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Speaker 1: certain things that wouldn't necessarily be cool or normal out
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Speaker 1: in the real world were suddenly totally acceptable. You're the
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Speaker 1: you know crier from your season. I also felt like
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Speaker 1: I was crying every four and a half seconds. So
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Speaker 1: I felt like this like culture of strong emotions was
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Speaker 1: really pushed there, and it felt good to be like
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Speaker 1: really open and vulnerable and have really different kinds of
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Speaker 1: conversations than in normal life. Um, and so one thing
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Speaker 1: I think is interesting is like when people criticize contestants
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Speaker 1: who were watching from the outside, not understanding that the
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Speaker 1: way you're kind of encouraged to be is totally different
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Speaker 1: and the rules are just different. I don't know, it
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Speaker 1: was just really interesting. Yes, totally. There was a conversation
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Speaker 1: in this week's episode, which will break down in a second,
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Speaker 1: that felt super edited, and I wonder if you picked
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Speaker 1: up on it. Oh, maybe which one? Yes, gosh, okay,
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Speaker 1: what felt super I don't know. I don't know Martin Okay,
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Speaker 1: well non figured not his conversation with Michelle, but his
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Speaker 1: conversation that he had with the guys. Oh, because I
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Speaker 1: was like not understanding where um oh Lou was getting
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Speaker 1: his info for Like, I was like, okay, how was he?
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Speaker 1: I definitely, I definitely felt like something was missing, something
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Speaker 1: is missing, right, So I had to go back, And
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Speaker 1: then when I did rewind and I watched it again,
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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, there's a lot of Martin talking
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Speaker 1: without him his face showing. Okay, so those are like
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Speaker 1: one of those moments. The one thing I know is
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Speaker 1: always like it seems like he's telling her something different
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Speaker 1: than what he's telling us. But I felt like always
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Speaker 1: saw him tell them was what happened. I mean, he
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Speaker 1: was he kept insisting that she made an incorrect interpretation,
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Speaker 1: which I don't think was true, but I don't know,
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Speaker 1: it didn't feel like he was saying anything all that different,
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Speaker 1: so I was a little confused by that. Yeah, he's
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Speaker 1: clearly kind of a dick in general. I mean just
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Speaker 1: bad vibes, right, I don't know, like Martin just has
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Speaker 1: given bad vibes for a while. So it's like, even
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Speaker 1: though it felt like something was missing, I was still like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to trust this, and I think that, like,
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Speaker 1: between you and I, we can probably say that even
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Speaker 1: though like there is always a lot missing from the
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Speaker 1: show's contexts, because we are being filmed twenty four or
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Speaker 1: seven and they crunch it down to an hour and
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Speaker 1: twenty minutes, we can say that generally it's you get
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Speaker 1: the you get what actually happened in the airing version. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean when I watched back, I definitely felt like
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Speaker 1: my storyline had been manipulated, but it wasn't in a
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Speaker 1: way that bothered me too much. And I felt like
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Speaker 1: in general, the kind of essences of the people were
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Speaker 1: like pretty accurate like I don't remember thinking, oh that guy,
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Speaker 1: that person got really shafted the essence soul like that. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's funny. Okay, Well have you been dating? Do you
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Speaker 1: have a boyfriend? Is there any like updates since you
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Speaker 1: were dating Ari? Oh yeah, no, I'm getting married in July.
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Speaker 1: That's amazing, congrats me. So he's actually a um he's
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Speaker 1: actually a psych professor at Duke. So that's you know,
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Speaker 1: candaalous he came into so scandalous, but also me now
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Speaker 1: he's in a different kind of psych so we have
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Speaker 1: no overlap, Like he doesn't teach any classes that I take,
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Speaker 1: and we have a whole management plan. Basically, he gave
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Speaker 1: a guest lecture um in one of my classes, and
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Speaker 1: I just thought he was super cute and we had
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Speaker 1: he like talked a little bit about his life. I
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Speaker 1: was like, I mean, he's like an artist. That's one
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Speaker 1: of his paintings back there, and um, I like to
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Speaker 1: paint all these overlaps and so I basically just made
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Speaker 1: it my mission to go seduce this person. So I
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Speaker 1: got him to meet up with I like slim his
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Speaker 1: d m s on Twitter, and then we started talking
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Speaker 1: a lot. Met up with him and then as soon
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Speaker 1: as we basically acknowledged there was something going on, we
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Speaker 1: like went to HR and they made a management plan
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Speaker 1: for us. So just I know people have feelings about
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Speaker 1: me dating professor, but um, yeah, that's how we met,
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Speaker 1: and um I'm waiting. So I proposed to him a
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Speaker 1: couple of weekends ago and he is proposing to me
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Speaker 1: within the month proposed to him. Tell us how you
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Speaker 1: decided to do that non traditional move. Yeah, So it
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Speaker 1: wasn't even I wasn't like aiming to be nontradition and
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Speaker 1: will or anything like that. But I have horrible commitment issues,
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Speaker 1: and in the first year of our relationship, I just
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Speaker 1: made him crazy because I was noncommittal, and then he
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Speaker 1: made me crazy because he was reacting to that. And
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Speaker 1: so I got into my head that maybe I proposed
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Speaker 1: to him because that would be like a show of
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Speaker 1: real commitment and security. And then by the time we
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Speaker 1: actually were really talking about getting married, I was like,
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Speaker 1: screw that. I want the ring and the proposed and everything.
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Speaker 1: So I knew he was planning something and I just
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Speaker 1: said that to him. I was like, you know, I
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Speaker 1: kind of had this idea, and he was like, do
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Speaker 1: you have it? Not. I'm a lot of proposal too.
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Speaker 1: So then he like, I was like, okay, seriously, He's like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I want you to propose to me. So then I
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Speaker 1: came up with this whole proposal and did you do
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Speaker 1: it with a ring? I did? Yeah, I got a
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Speaker 1: little I got a gold signat ring with a letter J.
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Speaker 1: So you know who always have me with him? Did
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Speaker 1: you get down on one knee? Uh no, I put
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Speaker 1: it I So this isn't supposed to be the serious proposal.
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Speaker 1: But when I asked what he wanted for his proposal,
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Speaker 1: he pointed at his penis. So I got a pair
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Speaker 1: of underwear like monogram to stay, like will you marry me?
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Speaker 1: And then he had to look at my ASTs. Oh
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Speaker 1: my gosh, that's hilarious. I have another girlfriend who she
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Speaker 1: proposed to her boyfriend too, and it was like started
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Speaker 1: out as a joke like two years earlier, and then
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Speaker 1: he was like, no, you said it, You're gonna do
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Speaker 1: it one day, like this is how we're gonna do it.
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Speaker 1: So like she really did it whatever, and now yeah,
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Speaker 1: the wedding is also this coming summer. Oh nice, everything
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Speaker 1: everyone is getting married this summer everyone. Yeah, have you
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Speaker 1: started planning. Have you you have a date and all
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Speaker 1: that at a date and the venue as long as
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Speaker 1: all I have, as long as you secured that venue.
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Speaker 1: Because supposedly the most popular wedding year ever because of
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Speaker 1: so many people who have had to push it back
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Speaker 1: to that year. I know. Alright, well, let's dive into
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Speaker 1: this episode, but first we have to take a break.
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Speaker 1: We'll be right back, okay. Part one, we see Michelle's
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Speaker 1: men talking to some of Michelle's students. We don't know
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Speaker 1: their current students. They seem very young, and I thought
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Speaker 1: that she teaches like fifth grade, but they are all
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Speaker 1: very adorable and they're kind of like quizzing them and
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Speaker 1: they're figuring out who they like. They're asking silly questions
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Speaker 1: about like farts and stuff. Um. I think it was
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Speaker 1: actually very adorable until they really pretend, until production made
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Speaker 1: it seem like the kids really planned these dates, and
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Speaker 1: then they took it so seriously. I'm like, Okay, the
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Speaker 1: audience isn't dumb. These kids didn't book the planetarium. The
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Speaker 1: book the planetarium and ask really probing questions, you know,
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Speaker 1: and write my little slips. She ends up going on
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Speaker 1: the date with Clayton, So what What have your feelings
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Speaker 1: on Clayton been so far? Because going into this date,
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Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, knowing that he's the Bachelor, we're
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Speaker 1: gonna like grow to love him, we are going to
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Speaker 1: get so much out of him during this one day,
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Speaker 1: and he's going to be a shoe in for Top
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Speaker 1: four and he'll be kind of the dark horse. Yeah. Well,
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Speaker 1: I was definitely expecting to see more given what we
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Speaker 1: know what happens with him. He seems like he just
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Speaker 1: seems like the Bachelor from two thousand fift Like he
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Speaker 1: just seems totally that type. He's really sweet. He says
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Speaker 1: the lines, you know, with like total sincerity, tears in
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Speaker 1: his eyes. I just want to find love, you know,
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Speaker 1: so I can see why they chose him. But other
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Speaker 1: than that, it's like it was just such a normal,
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Speaker 1: like not particularly exciting date or episode. He just did
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Speaker 1: nothing for me on this day, and he obviously did
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Speaker 1: nothing Michell, so I was like I had to like
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Speaker 1: pose it, and I was left just mind boggle and
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Speaker 1: I was like, wait a second, this is the end
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Speaker 1: of his story and he has become the Bachelor. This
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Speaker 1: is wild. He doesn't even make Top four and then
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Speaker 1: they like kind of take a quick break and they
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Speaker 1: go into this the scene where he's reading letters from
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Speaker 1: the quote children. Do you believe that these letters are
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Speaker 1: from the children or did the children write them in
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Speaker 1: their child handwriting and they were maybe like fed some lines.
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Speaker 1: Well that just makes me want because I think I
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Speaker 1: think I either could happen. I mean, I wonder how
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Speaker 1: much effort the producers put it, Like if they were
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Speaker 1: assigned a producer and the producer sat down with them
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Speaker 1: and was basically planting ideas about how to write, and
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Speaker 1: they wrote it together. But it's certainly not like the
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Speaker 1: children took it upon themselves to write these letters for
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Speaker 1: dear Clayton, and he acts as if they truly did.
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Speaker 1: But I also feel like there was like a hint.
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Speaker 1: There had to be a hint of acting, because we
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Speaker 1: felt nothing between them. I just feel like he was
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Speaker 1: kind of told like, hey, we don't have a bachelor
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Speaker 1: for next season. UM, just wanted to put that in
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Speaker 1: your head before you make your final um camera appearance. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's really just bizarre. I mean, I can't. It really
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Speaker 1: seems like they were just that desperate ticket back to
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Speaker 1: a white bachelor, like that they were willing to do this.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it just makes no sense to me that
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Speaker 1: they would take somebody who's top eight and had no
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Speaker 1: connection with the lead. I mean you could see like
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Speaker 1: at dinner she had art gone and deciding she doesn't
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Speaker 1: want to date this person. Like her face was shut off,
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Speaker 1: she was totally locked down. I mean it was just
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Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what he could have possibly
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Speaker 1: be thinking. Like if I were him, I would be
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Speaker 1: completely floored if somebody said you have bachelor potential or
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Speaker 1: like you're a guy. Same. So then like when he's
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Speaker 1: so he reads these letters and then he starts like
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Speaker 1: going into this you know, emotional release about how he
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Speaker 1: just all he really wants a wife and kids, like
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Speaker 1: now he just really wants a waving kids when he
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Speaker 1: was just telling Michelle the day before that like it
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Speaker 1: was something that he hadn't thought about for a while,
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Speaker 1: but like apparently being with her like he had this
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Speaker 1: big revelation that now he's ready for it. And it
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Speaker 1: was just it was really like they were like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: we don't have a bachelor, so let's throw this little
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Speaker 1: scene together and hopefully people buy it. And I didn't
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Speaker 1: buy it, well I didn't buy it, but the thing
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Speaker 1: is like I could have thought it if they had
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Speaker 1: showed more of him earlier on. I mean, there's got
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Speaker 1: to be some reason they're going for this guy. But
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Speaker 1: at the same time, isn't it alarming that, like we
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Speaker 1: apparently saw the highlight reel of this guy, right, there's
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Speaker 1: nothing else to show? Yeah, like, if they've been they've
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Speaker 1: had so much opportunity to show his shining moments, and
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Speaker 1: apparently we saw shining moments and there was nothing shiny
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Speaker 1: about it. Poor guy. I mean, I guess maybe they're
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Speaker 1: just thinking, like, yeah, we have like this cookie cutter
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Speaker 1: Bachelor of like Brad Walmack past, and we'll let the
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Speaker 1: ladies take the lead and make the season. But I
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Speaker 1: think it's gonna be really, really hard to get Bachelor
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Speaker 1: Nation on board with this guy because there's just we
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Speaker 1: have no connection, no reason to really root for him.
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Speaker 1: If it weren't for this podcast, I can't imagine me
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Speaker 1: being like, oh yeah, I can't wait to tune in
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Speaker 1: to see this guy fall in love. Am I being
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Speaker 1: too honest? There's no such thing? Uh, yeah, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I mean, do you have a hypothesis the sister why
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Speaker 1: they chose him? I mean, there was two seasons of
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Speaker 1: men to pick from, right, Peter Webber and I came
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Speaker 1: up with the only thing I could think of as
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Speaker 1: far as just selecting from this season, it was maybe
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Speaker 1: if they picked one of the top four guys, they
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Speaker 1: would think that they were like spoiling this season too much,
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Speaker 1: because then we wouldn't have a guy that we just
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Speaker 1: because you know, we saw that Clayton became the Bachelor,
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Speaker 1: like what two months ago, We've known this, So like
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Speaker 1: maybe they didn't want it to be one of the
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Speaker 1: top four guys because then it would just kind of
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Speaker 1: ruin all the speculation as to who she ends up
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Speaker 1: with once it got down to the nitty grittia her season. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I guess, but they do they keep doing that with
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Speaker 1: Rachel Lindsay. Yeah, I'm saying it's not a good enough excuse,
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Speaker 1: certainly not good enough. If anything, they could have done
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Speaker 1: like a just a stunt casting, like let's just get
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Speaker 1: a celebrity on there. There's a lot of celebrities that,
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Speaker 1: you know, like even like a Dancing with the Stars
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Speaker 1: roll over, somebody who's like one have been prominent on
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Speaker 1: that that we could like steal over from the Bachelor.
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Speaker 1: I don't know even someone from Paradise. I don't know
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Speaker 1: just any right. I mean, I thought they're gonna go
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Speaker 1: with Greg for a while, That's what Steve was saying.
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Speaker 1: But I mean that would have been risky. But I
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Speaker 1: still would have been a fan of that decision. But
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Speaker 1: at least it's more gripping than than this one. Exactly.
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Speaker 1: I was trying to make up on there. All right,
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Speaker 1: Well enough crapping on Clayton. Let's move into this week's
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Speaker 1: group date. Alright, So the remaining guys are on this one.
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Speaker 1: We find out that Brandon is going to get his
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Speaker 1: one on one, So we have Rick, Rodney, Joe, Nate, Martin,
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Speaker 1: and Oh Lou on this one. Cute that they have
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Speaker 1: to go to a go to a farm and milk
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Speaker 1: the cows. It's fun to see the guys like getting
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Speaker 1: their hands dirty and stuff like that. Any thoughts on
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Speaker 1: that portion of the date just very very very standard
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Speaker 1: wrestler um. The nighttime portion is when it gets it
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Speaker 1: gets interesting, mostly because of this Martin thing. So she
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Speaker 1: first she sits down with Martin and well, actually I
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Speaker 1: don't know what happened. First she either sits down with
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Speaker 1: Martin and it goes just swimmingly, which is and then
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Speaker 1: absolutely yeah, And then oh Lou comes in afterwards and says, like,
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Speaker 1: this is what Martin has been saying behind your back.
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Speaker 1: Um oh Lou says he's been calling her immature, says
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Speaker 1: that she hasn't like faced issues from her past based
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Speaker 1: on her poem that she read, you know, a couple
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Speaker 1: of weeks ago. And then he also just kind of
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Speaker 1: said he kind of alludes to the fact that there
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Speaker 1: was like a missing communication last week and maybe there's
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Speaker 1: even a miscommunication the week before last as well between
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Speaker 1: the two of them, and he says something about her
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Speaker 1: just not listening. So like that was what I really
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Speaker 1: gathered from that conversation amongst them, was that she wasn't
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Speaker 1: listening um to him. But that is that's not the
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Speaker 1: issue that Ohlu brought brought to Michelle. He said he
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Speaker 1: could focus more on the immature thing and the fact
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Speaker 1: that she hasn't um faced issues of her past. Um
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Speaker 1: Ohlu obviously has been somebody who has proven to be trustworthy.
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Speaker 1: And once she hears this from him, she brings Martin
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Speaker 1: back In and and how did you feel about how
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Speaker 1: this went down? I mean, the problem is is that
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Speaker 1: he's so abrasive and uh, just doesn't I mean, the
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Speaker 1: way he reacted in a limo was so immature that
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Speaker 1: was like kind of cast a shadow back on what
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Speaker 1: was going on in the conversation. I can this happens
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Speaker 1: all the time. Like I can totally see how he
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Speaker 1: could have actually said she has insecurities from her past
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Speaker 1: and that was like a normal thing to say because
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Speaker 1: everyone does, and maybe he was commenting on that in
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Speaker 1: some way, and then all of a sudden he's confronted
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Speaker 1: with this like misinterpretation of that, if it indeed was,
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Speaker 1: and I can see how like he would feel cornered
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Speaker 1: and frustrated and want to get his point out and
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Speaker 1: not feel like he can. But he was just such
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Speaker 1: an asshole that it's like, I don't even kind of
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Speaker 1: care what his perspective is here. His overall vibe is
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Speaker 1: just it just hasn't been good for me, and he
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Speaker 1: is about he is not the finest communicator. And then yes,
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Speaker 1: to top it off, what he says in the car
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Speaker 1: about him never wanting to have been with her after
20:57
Speaker 1: something like that, that was just kind of like gross.
21:00
Speaker 1: I didn't mind him the first like one on one
21:02
Speaker 1: date they had. I thought he was again kind of
21:04
Speaker 1: harsh and abrasive, but like, I didn't think he was
21:07
Speaker 1: making bad points. I enjoyed that they talked about like
21:10
Speaker 1: their perspectives for ones and like they're different ways of communicating.
21:15
Speaker 1: Like I thought that was a cool change for the Bachelor,
21:17
Speaker 1: which usually is just about like, here's my trauma story.
21:20
Speaker 1: Do you accept it? Yes, okay, move on? But yeah,
21:24
Speaker 1: he's not. He would he would he lived up to
21:27
Speaker 1: his stuci hairdube. I think, there we go, and that's
21:31
Speaker 1: how will end speaking about Martin. One on one day
21:35
Speaker 1: between Michelle and Brandon and Brandon, um, it's just like
21:41
Speaker 1: a hometown spot date. So they go to her favorite
21:44
Speaker 1: ice cream place. Then she keeps saying that she can
21:47
Speaker 1: see him being her best friend. They go to the
21:50
Speaker 1: parents house and like this is another super stagy moment
21:56
Speaker 1: where it's like, yeah, my parents are at home, do
21:58
Speaker 1: you want to see you around? And then they're in
22:00
Speaker 1: the hot tub making out. When her parents come home,
22:03
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, dude, you've got to know that Michelle
22:06
Speaker 1: knew her parents were going to come home. I would think, so.
22:10
Speaker 1: I did still think it was I thought it was
22:11
Speaker 1: like cheeky enough that I didn't mind the like clear
22:14
Speaker 1: production interference. Okay, okay, it was Yeah. So he ends
22:19
Speaker 1: up sitting down with her parents and there's just like
22:25
Speaker 1: something about Brendan that feels like the high school boyfriend
22:29
Speaker 1: to me, like that she's giddy over and he just
22:33
Speaker 1: feels young. He's very sweet, but there is just something
22:39
Speaker 1: missing for me. But I don't think it's actually missing
22:43
Speaker 1: for Michelle. So I need to speak on behalf of
22:45
Speaker 1: Michelle who seems to be like absolutely swooned, totally smitten
22:50
Speaker 1: with him. Um. When they sit down at dinner and
22:53
Speaker 1: he says that I feel like I'm falling in love
22:55
Speaker 1: with you, like she says, my heart is beating so rapidly,
22:59
Speaker 1: like you canmost feel like she wants to say it
23:01
Speaker 1: back to him. There's the whole best friend thing again,
23:04
Speaker 1: and that's how what she really really wants in a relationship.
23:07
Speaker 1: And he even goes as far as you ask the
23:10
Speaker 1: parents for permission if it is him in the end,
23:14
Speaker 1: permission for you know, to get down on one day. Um,
23:18
Speaker 1: And the mom is like, yeah, he's very sweet, I
23:21
Speaker 1: like him, and then the dad like do the Dad's
23:23
Speaker 1: like it doesn't have anything to say, and I feel
23:27
Speaker 1: like that's how I would have nothing, because I felt
23:30
Speaker 1: like the dad in that moment where it was like
23:32
Speaker 1: I just sorry, I don't have enough to go on
23:35
Speaker 1: right now. What are you? What's your take on this? No,
23:38
Speaker 1: I totally agree. I thought it was a really sweet day.
23:40
Speaker 1: I really liked him, and I'm like, he has ten
23:42
Speaker 1: years out from being married. Yeah, I don't know what
23:47
Speaker 1: it is about him that makes me feel this because
23:50
Speaker 1: he is like such a nice guy. He's really done
23:52
Speaker 1: nothing wrong. But like, just be totally in awe of her,
23:56
Speaker 1: right I honestly I'm kind of worried about her because
23:58
Speaker 1: I get the same vibs from eight kind of similar,
24:01
Speaker 1: you know, right on hither one on one day, she
24:04
Speaker 1: was like, you know, she asked me about his previous
24:06
Speaker 1: relationships and he was like, well, I had one relationship
24:10
Speaker 1: where I couldn't be a big kid anymore. And I
24:11
Speaker 1: was like, oh no, So it just kind of reminds
24:14
Speaker 1: me a little bit of this. Oh and then this
24:17
Speaker 1: this episode we find out that Nate just he has
24:20
Speaker 1: never brought a girl home, which you know, I don't
24:23
Speaker 1: want to fault them for that, Like I wasn't and
24:26
Speaker 1: I had never brought in a guy, brought a guy home. Um,
24:30
Speaker 1: when I ended up being with Jared, who I met
24:34
Speaker 1: on the show, So I can't really fault them for that,
24:37
Speaker 1: but there is a lot of inexperience when it comes
24:40
Speaker 1: to these guys. I feel, Yeah, and she's already at
24:43
Speaker 1: risk for that because she's already said she's somebody who
24:45
Speaker 1: just gives everything to the point of almost needing a
24:47
Speaker 1: feeding tube. By the way, she said in a episode,
24:51
Speaker 1: I'm like, I kind of need this woman to marry
24:53
Speaker 1: an adult male. You know, it's actually gonna like pour
24:56
Speaker 1: himself into the relationship. So, yeah, he seems Brandon seems
25:01
Speaker 1: like really young. He looks really young. He says kind
25:04
Speaker 1: of cliche things about love. Um, he's doe eyed. I mean,
25:09
Speaker 1: is he's super sweet but totally totally okay good because
25:13
Speaker 1: it's like, no hate Brandon Brandon. But like, but I
25:17
Speaker 1: don't I don't see this being the longest term thing, Okay. Um,
25:24
Speaker 1: then we get to the the Rose ceremony. There's no
25:27
Speaker 1: cocktail party. She knows what she's doing. I think we
25:29
Speaker 1: all kind of know what she's doing. Um, Ronnie is,
25:34
Speaker 1: to me, in my head, the obvious guy who will
25:36
Speaker 1: not be making the top three. He is the guy
25:39
Speaker 1: who was definitely making who was going to make the
25:42
Speaker 1: top four, but definitely the weak link there. And then
25:46
Speaker 1: Rick and Ohlu just to me, we're the obvious sent homes.
25:50
Speaker 1: What about you? Yeah, well, I don't know. I was
25:53
Speaker 1: between Rick and Ronnie about that's respectable. But I mean
25:57
Speaker 1: who used his his time with her speak to talk
26:00
Speaker 1: about Martin? So it's almost like he knew he was
26:03
Speaker 1: heading out. I don't know. Yeah, no, I agree that
26:09
Speaker 1: all right. Well, in the sneak peek, we see a
26:11
Speaker 1: lot of dads, but the one dad is still the
26:15
Speaker 1: standout from last week, which is the dad who says no,
26:18
Speaker 1: he's not ready to get caged. And now that I
26:22
Speaker 1: analyze this man's face a little bit more, I okay,
26:26
Speaker 1: I'm going to first ask you whose dad you think
26:28
Speaker 1: that is. Oh I thought you were going to be like,
26:31
Speaker 1: maybe he was saying he's not ready for dinner or something,
26:33
Speaker 1: because they could reconnect that, Um, Nate, I think it's Joe's.
26:42
Speaker 1: So now I feel like, so, now I feel like
26:45
Speaker 1: you and I have both established that Nate, Nate and
26:49
Speaker 1: Brandon not ready for marriage. But now we have a
26:53
Speaker 1: third and it's the other third guy that she likes
26:56
Speaker 1: the most. Of course, Rodney is probably the one that's
26:58
Speaker 1: actually ready for marriage. Yeah, I'm worried about Michelle. She's
27:02
Speaker 1: so she's one of my favorite leads so far. She's
27:04
Speaker 1: doing wonderful. Like she just kind of like thirty enough,
27:10
Speaker 1: that would be a good start, Like I hopefully like
27:12
Speaker 1: thirty two, thirty three years old, en up for the
27:15
Speaker 1: then randoms only twenty six. Okay, so he actually is young.
27:19
Speaker 1: He's actually young. Its fault. I mean I was twenty
27:25
Speaker 1: six at the beginning of this journey, but I and
27:29
Speaker 1: you were young too, were you. We're both twenty six? Okay, yeah,
27:33
Speaker 1: but then look like I didn't get married until thirty one,
27:36
Speaker 1: and you're not getting married until you're thirty three. No,
27:39
Speaker 1: I'm thirty. Okay, I'm not doing the math right because
27:43
Speaker 1: our season was like three years after mine. Well, now
27:46
Speaker 1: there's so many it just feels like it feels like
27:48
Speaker 1: our season it's like ten years ago. There's like a
27:51
Speaker 1: million season a year. Yeah. I don't think I was
27:53
Speaker 1: reading until this year, and men need an extra five
27:56
Speaker 1: years to bake. Usually I could say, probably, all right, well,
28:01
Speaker 1: do you have any more thoughts, who do you see
28:03
Speaker 1: ending up with her ending up with at the end
28:05
Speaker 1: of this an, I'm spoiled, so you are, okay, don't
28:09
Speaker 1: spoil me? Okay, Well, thank you so much Jacqueline for
28:14
Speaker 1: joining us, and if you guys want more of Jacqueline's
28:17
Speaker 1: um thoughts on like really life. Right, you have a
28:20
Speaker 1: podcast and it's not just about Bachelor You've had a
28:22
Speaker 1: Bachelor podcast before, but now what are you talking about
28:25
Speaker 1: on your podcast? A Little Help for Our Friends? Yeah,
28:29
Speaker 1: so A Little Help for Our Friends is a mental
28:30
Speaker 1: health podcast. So we've had a couple of Bachelor Nation
28:33
Speaker 1: people on, but it's to talk about mental health related topics.
28:36
Speaker 1: So like we had that Clark talk about addiction. Um.
28:40
Speaker 1: We had Ben Higgins come on actually and talk about
28:43
Speaker 1: his book and loneliness. Um. But really our focus is
28:47
Speaker 1: on how mental health is like a system wide problem.
28:49
Speaker 1: So it's not just the person experiencing um A disorder,
28:53
Speaker 1: it's their friends and family and what they go through
28:55
Speaker 1: and how they try to help and that can be
28:57
Speaker 1: really frustrating and lonely experience. So um, that's why it's
29:01
Speaker 1: caulled A Little Help for Our Friends. It's how can
29:02
Speaker 1: you help your friends? Who are struggling. And before we
29:06
Speaker 1: let you go, what is one bit of like huge advice,
29:12
Speaker 1: like just the advice that you would give to the
29:16
Speaker 1: general public. If your friends, UM are going through a
29:20
Speaker 1: bad time, UM, definitely to validate. And that doesn't mean
29:24
Speaker 1: that you agree with them. It can be you can
29:26
Speaker 1: totally disagree with somebody and still validate how they're feeling
29:29
Speaker 1: because you're not validating the facts of the situation. You know,
29:32
Speaker 1: if they say my life is terrible, I hate everything,
29:34
Speaker 1: you're not saying, yeah, your life is terrible. It's it
29:38
Speaker 1: must be so hard to to go through your life
29:40
Speaker 1: feeling that way. You must be going through so much
29:43
Speaker 1: to feel that way, because a lot of the times
29:45
Speaker 1: when we try to go in and fix or problem
29:47
Speaker 1: solve and usually what people want to feel is heard
29:51
Speaker 1: and like they're met um. And so just starting with
29:54
Speaker 1: that and really listening can take you very far. All Right,
29:58
Speaker 1: that's fantastic advice. Thank you so much, and thank you
30:01
Speaker 1: for being here today. It was very fun to bring
30:04
Speaker 1: it down with you. Absolutely. Thanks all right, Jacqueline, bye bye. Alright,
30:11
Speaker 1: we had to let Jacqueline go, but we have bachelor
30:16
Speaker 1: headlines for you guys, and oh MG, are they juicy?
30:20
Speaker 1: Let's start with this one US Weekly headline Michelle Young.
30:24
Speaker 1: She says I ended up in a situation I didn't
30:27
Speaker 1: expect on The Bachelor at all. Right, so here's the quote.
30:31
Speaker 1: She said, I had no idea I would be in
30:34
Speaker 1: the position that I was in at the end of
30:37
Speaker 1: the season. The ending is something that I didn't necessarily expect,
30:43
Speaker 1: something that I didn't think was possible for me. I'm
30:46
Speaker 1: excited for everyone to kind of see what it entails,
30:49
Speaker 1: because I think a lot of assumptions are being made,
30:53
Speaker 1: you know, of either who I end up with or
30:57
Speaker 1: if I end up with anyone, And when it comes
30:59
Speaker 1: down to it, I came into this knowing that I
31:03
Speaker 1: was going to stay true to who I was, and
31:05
Speaker 1: that means staying true to what your feelings are and
31:09
Speaker 1: talking about where you're at with your feelings. I'm a
31:13
Speaker 1: person who typically embraces opportunities as they come, and I
31:19
Speaker 1: can't pinpoint whether or not I'm going to be in Minnesota,
31:25
Speaker 1: you know, next year or the year after that. I
31:28
Speaker 1: fully plan to finish out the school year, but I
31:31
Speaker 1: don't know what opportunities are going to come my way,
31:34
Speaker 1: whether there's somebody I'm involved, whether there's somebody involved in
31:40
Speaker 1: my life, whether there's not, that always would be a
31:44
Speaker 1: team decision. So I can't say that, yes, I'm going
31:49
Speaker 1: to stay in Minnesota for the rest of my life.
31:51
Speaker 1: I can say that I'm open to all opportunities. I'll
31:55
Speaker 1: take them in, I'll make decisions as I go, and
31:59
Speaker 1: I'll make sure that I'm happy with the work I'm doing.
32:04
Speaker 1: All right, m hm. To analyze this on my own,
32:12
Speaker 1: it sounds as if Michelle is not necessarily staying in Minnesota,
32:17
Speaker 1: which I feel in my bones would eliminate Joe as
32:21
Speaker 1: being the guy that she ends up with, right because
32:23
Speaker 1: if she were to end up with Joe, they would
32:26
Speaker 1: definitely be settling in Minnesota. And I wonder what opportunity
32:31
Speaker 1: she's speaking of, because I thought I always kind of
32:33
Speaker 1: thought that she would want to stick with teaching, But
32:35
Speaker 1: maybe she'll want to do other things and then come
32:39
Speaker 1: back to teaching down the road. All right, Well, a
32:41
Speaker 1: lot to analyze there, because she says, when whether I'm
32:44
Speaker 1: with somebody or whether I'm not with somebody, I guess
32:47
Speaker 1: that's kind of standard to like keep it open ended
32:52
Speaker 1: like that, but she says it's so many times. Now
32:56
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like, does she not end up with anybody?
33:00
Speaker 1: I really truly don't know the ending of this, and
33:02
Speaker 1: I'm very excited that I think Ben and I are
33:04
Speaker 1: in like the third or fourth season where I don't
33:08
Speaker 1: know any spoilers. I don't even have to pretend with
33:11
Speaker 1: you guys or try to lead you astray, like I
33:14
Speaker 1: truly don't know what happens at the end of this, So,
33:18
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, gracious this the next headline is the
33:21
Speaker 1: saddest headline I think I've read on this podcast as
33:26
Speaker 1: far as relationships go. In a while, Tassia Adams and
33:31
Speaker 1: Zach Clark split. They called up their relationship nearly one
33:34
Speaker 1: year after their finale aired. US Weekly can confirm the
33:39
Speaker 1: Tasia Adams and Zach Clark are no longer a couple.
33:42
Speaker 1: The news comes three days after Life and Style reported
33:45
Speaker 1: that they were on a break, which was which was
33:47
Speaker 1: something I was really really hoping was true. It's like, oh,
33:50
Speaker 1: a break. You know, we can get over a break,
33:53
Speaker 1: but no. People Magazine and US Weekly both reported yesterday
33:57
Speaker 1: that they are officially split. I don't think that either
34:02
Speaker 1: one of them addressed it on their instagrams yet. Um
34:06
Speaker 1: so we'll see, but this comes on the heels of
34:08
Speaker 1: them running the New York City Marathon together on November seven.
34:13
Speaker 1: We don't have any quotes from the couple or anything
34:17
Speaker 1: like that, but I'm sad because I think you guys
34:22
Speaker 1: know that over the past couple of years, Zack and
34:26
Speaker 1: Zack and Tasia were like the couple that had that
34:30
Speaker 1: final moment, you know, that engagement moment that made me
34:33
Speaker 1: feel all the fields. It made me feel like it
34:37
Speaker 1: was like old school bachelor, where like this was just
34:40
Speaker 1: like intense, passionate love. And the way that Tastia said
34:45
Speaker 1: that like she had never felt a love like this before,
34:49
Speaker 1: like maybe she had never been truly in love before.
34:51
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, there's so much in that engagement moment
34:55
Speaker 1: and just all the moments leading up to their engagement.
34:57
Speaker 1: I just I really really felt that couple, And this
35:00
Speaker 1: is very sad. Um So we wish, we wish them
35:03
Speaker 1: nothing but the best going forward, and uh, you know,
35:07
Speaker 1: give them their privacy. Guys, don't be writing crazy things
35:13
Speaker 1: on their instagrams when they do end up announcing on Instagram. Alright,
35:17
Speaker 1: Hannah Brown, Wow, she also made some serious headlines this week.
35:22
Speaker 1: Uh it's unfortunate that she made these headlines just the
35:25
Speaker 1: day after we had Peter Webber on the podcast, because
35:29
Speaker 1: she came out about the fact that the two of
35:32
Speaker 1: them slept together in the midst of his season airing.
35:38
Speaker 1: As far as the details go, he had he had
35:40
Speaker 1: dumped or he had I guess, yeah, I guess he
35:43
Speaker 1: dumped um Hannah Ann. And after that he ran into
35:48
Speaker 1: Hannah at an event, and then it led to her
35:50
Speaker 1: just visiting with him and his family at you know,
35:53
Speaker 1: the family house outside l A and uh, they had
35:58
Speaker 1: sex one night and woke up and had breakfast with
36:01
Speaker 1: the family. Immediately, she felt a little off about it,
36:05
Speaker 1: but she reveals it in her book and it it's
36:09
Speaker 1: been juicy. And then there's another there there's another headline,
36:13
Speaker 1: and this is that she hasn't spoken to Tyler Cameron
36:15
Speaker 1: pretty much anymore. And it's so wild how we all
36:19
Speaker 1: interpreted her hangouts with Tyler at the what is the
36:24
Speaker 1: quarantine crew house. We were thinking, you know, oh, this
36:28
Speaker 1: is totally romantic, They're totally hooking up, blah blah blah.
36:33
Speaker 1: But that was not the way it went at all,
36:35
Speaker 1: And she details it all in her new book. God
36:38
Speaker 1: bless this Mess, in which she tells everyone that they
36:44
Speaker 1: didn't even kiss while they were there. She was, you know,
36:49
Speaker 1: kind of like recovering. She was dealing with getting over
36:52
Speaker 1: her brother's overdose, that Tyler was getting over the loss
36:57
Speaker 1: of his mother, and they she said she was stuck
37:01
Speaker 1: in a house of yucky boys when when COVID really
37:05
Speaker 1: hit and she was truly just stuck at that house
37:08
Speaker 1: until she was able to safely leave. Um. But this
37:12
Speaker 1: is also on the heels of his relate, like Tyler's
37:18
Speaker 1: relationship with Gigi. So if you remember this is the
37:21
Speaker 1: timeline of Hannah and and Tyler, she ends up with Jed,
37:26
Speaker 1: and then on after the Final Rose, when it's announced
37:28
Speaker 1: that she's no longer with Jed, she kind of asked
37:31
Speaker 1: Tyler out right, and then they go out, they're spotted.
37:35
Speaker 1: She thought it was the beginning of something. But just
37:39
Speaker 1: a day or two after Tyler was spotted with Gigi
37:44
Speaker 1: hadid in New York. And she says in the new book,
37:47
Speaker 1: God Bless This Mess, that she was deeply hurt by
37:49
Speaker 1: how he handled the situation. Um, they weren't they weren't
37:56
Speaker 1: really open with each other, you know, he didn't really
37:59
Speaker 1: explain Lane that he was going to go on and
38:02
Speaker 1: data supermodel and all that. So six months after that,
38:07
Speaker 1: the two of them reconnected at the loss of his
38:11
Speaker 1: mom and the overdose of her brother, which was just
38:14
Speaker 1: around the beginning of COVID, and that's how she ended
38:17
Speaker 1: up in the quarantine house. And even then there was
38:22
Speaker 1: no real romance sparked. Okay, Hannah, I'm sure details all
38:27
Speaker 1: of this in a podcast that we are releasing today
38:31
Speaker 1: with um Wells Atoms. He has filled in for Ben
38:36
Speaker 1: and I and interviewed Hannah all about the juicy things
38:40
Speaker 1: in her book. So make sure that you look out
38:43
Speaker 1: for that special edition of the Almost Amos podcast. Oh wait,
38:48
Speaker 1: we can't move on from Hannah Brown and her book yet,
38:52
Speaker 1: because now we have a quote from Peter Weber addressing
38:55
Speaker 1: the fact that she came out about the secret hook up.
38:58
Speaker 1: He said this week, according to to fab I thought
39:03
Speaker 1: we were just going to keep it private, but I
39:06
Speaker 1: guess that wasn't the case. And I'm totally okay with it.
39:10
Speaker 1: It's all good. I don't mind any of this. We
39:12
Speaker 1: spent the night together. That was it. That was the
39:16
Speaker 1: last time that I saw her physically. All right, Well,
39:20
Speaker 1: that's very very nice. Of him to be so understanding
39:24
Speaker 1: of of what she reveals in the book. All Right
39:28
Speaker 1: and other bachelor news, asterid Lock and Kevin went welcome
39:32
Speaker 1: their first child after an IVF journey. She was actually
39:37
Speaker 1: we don't know if she or he. They have not
39:39
Speaker 1: revealed a gender yet. Um. The baby was born on
39:43
Speaker 1: November at two oh two am, and and Kevin said
39:49
Speaker 1: that Astroid made his dreams come true. She is my
39:51
Speaker 1: absolute hero over everything she went through in the last
39:53
Speaker 1: two days of the at the hospital, in the last
39:57
Speaker 1: two years of doing everything it took to get this
40:00
Speaker 1: perfect munchkin into the went gang. Um. We do not
40:05
Speaker 1: have pictures of the baby's face or or the gender,
40:10
Speaker 1: so we'll see if that comes up. But congratulations to
40:14
Speaker 1: the couple. I'm very happy for them. That is awesome.
40:18
Speaker 1: Glad that mama and baby are both very happy and healthy.
40:22
Speaker 1: And then you guys, drama in Katie Thurston's world. So
40:29
Speaker 1: she does this thing where she like, I'm a little
40:33
Speaker 1: confused by this, Okay, I have to be honest, Like
40:36
Speaker 1: I skimmed some of this stuff on Instagram. She ended
40:40
Speaker 1: up doing something to Taylor Swift's Red album where like
40:44
Speaker 1: every day she compared like a contestant or an X
40:49
Speaker 1: you know, a contestant from her season or an X
40:52
Speaker 1: two her life. She called it the twelve Days of
40:56
Speaker 1: Messy Challenge. And at the end of this shed she
41:03
Speaker 1: kind of reveals that she's with this guy John, who
41:08
Speaker 1: I believe she eliminated week three of her season. Um,
41:14
Speaker 1: she refers to her relationship with Blake Moyne's who she
41:18
Speaker 1: just you know, announced her breakup with in October. That
41:23
Speaker 1: was we are never getting back together. Supposedly that was
41:28
Speaker 1: That's the song that she's referencing him. And then begin
41:33
Speaker 1: again she assigns to this guy John, which we can
41:38
Speaker 1: only imagine means that she's beginning a romantic life again
41:44
Speaker 1: with this guy John so wild, like I mind blown.
41:49
Speaker 1: It raises a whole bunch of questions, like was her
41:53
Speaker 1: friendship with John like too intense for Blake to stick around? Um?
41:59
Speaker 1: Was her feelings for this guy John the reason that
42:02
Speaker 1: she broke up with Blake? Like? I hope all this
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Speaker 1: comes out, I mean, if she would, She's she's gonna
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Speaker 1: follow Taylor Swift's lead here. She's got to give us
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Speaker 1: some sort of hint to it, right, because Taylor may
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Speaker 1: not say everything Verbatia. But she she leads us in
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Speaker 1: a certain direction, alright, So Katie Thurston, give us more
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Speaker 1: hints at what actually went on between this Blake John
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Speaker 1: Love triangle. Okay. And lastly, Brendan Morris and Piper updated
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Speaker 1: fans on their relationship. If you guys remember, I guess
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Speaker 1: like a month or two ago, they said that they
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Speaker 1: had gone their separate ways, but in a new Instagram post,
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Speaker 1: it seems as if the two have reunited. The past
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Speaker 1: few months have been interesting, to say the least, Brendan
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Speaker 1: says on Instagram, A love forming between two people in
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Speaker 1: the midst of Mayhem is certainly a unique way to
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Speaker 1: begin a relationship. We've had our ups and downs, our
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Speaker 1: peaks and valleys, but what has prevailed is a special
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Speaker 1: bond through God's grace and love. I remain thankful, looking
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Speaker 1: forward to growing together and the lessons and love will
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Speaker 1: experience along the way. Piper also took to Instagram to
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Speaker 1: say love is patient and kind. Thankful for you Brendan.
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Speaker 1: Every day I look forward to growing and learning more
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Speaker 1: and more together. Well, you know what, guys, if this
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Speaker 1: is true love, we can't be mad at anymore? Right,
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Speaker 1: And it's happening not on TV, so again, can't be
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Speaker 1: mad at it anymore. They're not messing with anybody else anymore.
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Speaker 1: All Right, Well, that is it for this episode of
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Speaker 1: Almost Famous. I hope you guys are not, you know,
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Speaker 1: thoroughly annoyed by just listening to my voice for the
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Speaker 1: past twenty minutes, because I would be. But I love
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Speaker 1: to our podcast net this week you'll hear the voice
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