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The Kenny Report | 23 July · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the sky New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 3: Tonight, Labor Party and union heavyweights gather in Adelaide for
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  Speaker 3: the ALP national Conference and surprise surprise from Anthony Alberzi,
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  Speaker 3: we get more lies and more government spending. Deputy Liberal
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  Speaker 3: Leader Jane Hume will join me to talk about the
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  Speaker 3: coalition's plan for the country. I'll catch up with the
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  Speaker 3: Australian Jewish leader alex Rivchen who was abused while at
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  Speaker 3: the site of the Bondai massacre YEP at that site yesterday,
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  Speaker 3: anti Jewish abuse, Alexander Downer on the Middle East and
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  Speaker 3: Australian terrorists in Sport. With Robbo will take in the
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  Speaker 3: Commonwealth Games and the Olympics, and with Tim and Mark
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  Speaker 3: will have plenty of Barnaby, Bowen and Trump.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it for the Labor Party.
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  Speaker 3: The center of the universe today and for the weekend
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  Speaker 3: is Adelaide, where the ALP is holding its three years
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  Speaker 3: national conference. And as they gathered there with one Australian
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  Speaker 3: flag along with an Indigenous flag and a Torres Strait
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  Speaker 3: Island flag, they of course did not sing the national anthem,
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  Speaker 3: but they did get a very South Australian version of
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  Speaker 3: the Welcome to Country.
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  Speaker 4: Dad laid itself is a free colony. It was a
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  Speaker 4: place that is known as the Festival State, the Gathering State,
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  Speaker 4: the Space and Defense State, the Wine State, and the
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  Speaker 4: city of Churches. But we're all say this free colony,
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  Speaker 4: and many of you in this room from penal colonies.
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  Speaker 4: We will be checking you on your way out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, checking their pockets is one thing. You might
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  Speaker 3: be better off checking their plans and their promises. Remember
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  Speaker 3: this is a Union affair. The ALP is the political
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  Speaker 3: wing of the Union movement, and with fifty percent of
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  Speaker 3: all the delegates on the conference floor held directly by unions,
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  Speaker 3: they control the show. We talked yesterday about how one
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  Speaker 3: of the largest left faction unions, the AMWU, wants to
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  Speaker 3: get rid of the Union jack from our flag and
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  Speaker 3: remove colonial statues in substance. Their claims are far worse
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  Speaker 3: than that. The AMW released a blueprint of all its aims,
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  Speaker 3: and in the Australian Financial Review today James Matthias costed
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  Speaker 3: their policies at one hundred and sixty billion dollars a year.
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  Speaker 3: They include nationalizing energy and aged care, and another state
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  Speaker 3: owned bank, a public sector job guarantee for every citizen
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  Speaker 3: willing to work, free health care and dental and medicines,
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  Speaker 3: free UNI and TAFE, of course, But with all those
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  Speaker 3: debts wiped out, the abolition of what's left of negative gearing,
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  Speaker 3: higher pensions with full access at sixty years of age
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  Speaker 3: for manual workers, an unrestricted right to strike.
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  Speaker 1: Industry wide, as well as the new flag, of.
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  Speaker 3: Course, and a compulsory bargaining service fee for workers who
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  Speaker 3: don't join a union. Far out there you go either
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  Speaker 3: join a union or pay not to join.
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  Speaker 1: What an agenda.
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  Speaker 3: Solida Nush The Soviets would be proud.
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  Speaker 1: But don't worry, say the labor politicians.
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  Speaker 3: We promised not to go down this road, just like
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  Speaker 3: they promised not to change negative gearing or increase capital
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  Speaker 3: gains tax, and just like they promised to.
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  Speaker 1: Reduce our power prices.
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  Speaker 3: But as more than two thousand delegates gathered in Adelaide,
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  Speaker 3: along with journalists, lobbyists, diplomats and business people, all eager
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  Speaker 3: to push their cause, you have to wonder why Adelaide.
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  Speaker 3: Adelaide went to the polls in March. In South Australia,
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  Speaker 3: they had the election in March and there are plenty
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  Speaker 3: of other labor states around.
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  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't they hold the conference.
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  Speaker 3: In Melbourne so they could drum up some excitement in
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  Speaker 3: Victoria just four months.
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  Speaker 1: Ahead of that state's election.
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  Speaker 3: Well we all know the answer, I guess, because that
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  Speaker 3: state is in a mess and labor and Premieer Justin
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  Speaker 3: to Allen are on the nose and with teachers marching
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  Speaker 3: in the streets today, everyone can see the unions are
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  Speaker 3: running rampant and the economic slide continues, with Victoria's unemployment
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  Speaker 3: today going past five percent, a four percentage point above
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  Speaker 3: the national average. In fact, almost one in every three
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  Speaker 3: unemployed person in this country is in Victoria. So that's
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  Speaker 3: why labor is gathering in Adelaide instead, where true to form,
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  Speaker 3: Anthony Albanezi was throwing out more money to please the unions.
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  Speaker 5: Today I announced we will expand paid prak to physio
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  Speaker 5: and occupational therapy, clinical psychology, pharmacy and pedietary speech pathology, audiology, radiography,
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  Speaker 5: rehab therapies and our future paramedics.
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  Speaker 1: Real help with the.
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  Speaker 5: Cost of living for tens of thousands of Australians.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, And just another one hundred and fifty million dollars
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  Speaker 3: or so, all paid for with more debt that we'll
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  Speaker 3: all have to repay somehow. But those considerations don't really
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  Speaker 3: bother this crowd in Adelaide at the moment, and neither
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  Speaker 3: does the truth. There was plenty of spin in their
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  Speaker 3: video presentation. No, this is what they say they'll do
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  Speaker 3: because Labour's home building is way behind schedule and it
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  Speaker 3: won't meet its renewable energy targets either. The Albaneezy government
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  Speaker 3: is always behind on delivery but ahead on promises and costs,
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  Speaker 3: and Albanizi has no respect at all for the facts
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  Speaker 3: and honesty. Does he listen to him as he claims.
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  Speaker 3: The Liberals and Nationals are already in coalition with one nation.
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  Speaker 5: They agree with each other about what they want to
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  Speaker 5: do in government. They all want to cut wages, they
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  Speaker 5: all want to scrap paid parental leave, they all want
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  Speaker 5: to make it harder for young Australians to buy a home,
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  Speaker 5: and they all want to slash the jobs and industries
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  Speaker 5: powered by renewables.
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  Speaker 3: All simply untrue, all lies. But I guess we shouldn't
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  Speaker 3: feign surprise. I was a little surprised though, to hear
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  Speaker 3: the Prime Minister claimed to be a leader who takes responsibility.
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  Speaker 5: You can kick the can down the road and leave
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  Speaker 5: the problem for someone else to solve, or you can
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  Speaker 5: take respect reponsibility, you can take action.
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  Speaker 3: I thought we'd already made out the opposite case.
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  Speaker 6: We're hearing that an asylum secret vote has arrived off
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  Speaker 6: to the Western Australian coastline. Do you know anything about that.
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  Speaker 5: I've been traveling in the car, so I haven't been
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  Speaker 5: advised about that. Of course, the state bail schemes are
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  Speaker 5: run by the State is the big Australia and independent body,
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  Speaker 5: and the government doesn't direct them on what to do.
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  Speaker 5: This is not my proposal. This is the Australian People's proposal.
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  Speaker 5: State and territary governments are responsible primarily for those issues.
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  Speaker 4: You have to contact with.
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  Speaker 6: The Iranian embassada following those stripes overnight.
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  Speaker 5: No, hopefully, Well, I've been here in Melbourne, so.
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  Speaker 1: No, I have not. This stuff happens so often.
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  Speaker 3: He ducks responsibility on so many issues that we even
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  Speaker 3: came up with a theme song. Yeah, that's the video
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  Speaker 3: clip they should have played at the ALP conference. Anyway,
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  Speaker 3: I guess this leads us to another reason that labor
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  Speaker 3: is gathering in Adelaide rather than Melbourne. The Labor premiere
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  Speaker 3: in South Australia in style and substance, actually helps to
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  Speaker 3: give the party a decent image. I mean, Peter Malinowskus
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  Speaker 3: is not only a winner, he can work a crowd.
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  Speaker 3: He even found a new twist on Barnaby's dog.
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  Speaker 6: In an erratic world.
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  Speaker 1: Filled with ill, discipline and division.
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  Speaker 6: We've been reminded this week of that time honored political truth.
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  Speaker 6: If you can't govern your dog, you can't govern the country.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: It reminds me of the old Hillary Clinton line about
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  Speaker 3: Bill being a hard dog to keep on the porch.
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  Speaker 3: And as a leader from the right faction, Melanowskus is
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  Speaker 3: a pretty sensible operator, one who will help push back
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  Speaker 3: against the crazy policies I highlighted earlier. So he's got
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  Speaker 3: a pretty realistic view of the carry on we're likely
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  Speaker 3: to see at the rest of the conference.
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  Speaker 6: And the Libs who now live in the desperate fear
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  Speaker 6: of being accused of labor light are now embracing being
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  Speaker 6: handsome heavy.
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  Speaker 1: Which leaves us the Labor Party.
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  Speaker 6: We know what a professional political party looks like.
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  Speaker 1: You can see that here today.
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  Speaker 6: There are people with placards, chants and a list of
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  Speaker 6: unrealistic demands, and we've given them all delicate passes.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, bring it all on.
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  Speaker 3: They could do with Melanauskis in Canberra, that's for sure,
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  Speaker 3: But then again the less factions would probably block him.
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  Speaker 1: But they will manage this.
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  Speaker 3: Event pretty tightly because there are plenty of monkeys in
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  Speaker 3: Adelaide this weekend who would like to take over the
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  Speaker 3: zoo as it is. We all know the conference is
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  Speaker 3: only going to make it worse for the rest of us.
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  Speaker 3: There's going to be more union power, more government spending,
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  Speaker 3: and more economic pain to come.
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  Speaker 1: But at least it.
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  Speaker 3: Helps to demonstrate to us who's running the country and
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  Speaker 3: who they're running it for. Let's go to Melbourne now
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  Speaker 3: and catch up with the Deputy Liberal leader, Jane Hume. Jane,
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  Speaker 3: thanks for joining us. With the election state election only
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  Speaker 3: a few months away. You would have thought the ALB
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  Speaker 3: conference would be in Melbourne, but you can see why
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  Speaker 3: they want to stay away from your lovely city.
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  Speaker 7: Well, Chris, maybe they did plan to have it in Melbourne,
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  Speaker 7: but it would have clashed with the Commonwealth Games.
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  Speaker 8: Oh wait, we haven't got the Commonwealth Games.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 7: Unfortunately they were supposed to start this weekend.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think late. No, we have a billion not
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  Speaker 3: to have them. I think the people of Glasgow are
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  Speaker 3: pretty appreciative.
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  Speaker 7: Well I don't know whether they are, but you know, hey,
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  Speaker 7: I'm very proud of our Australian athletes. I hope they
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  Speaker 7: do exceptionally well in Glasgow. I'll be wearing my green
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  Speaker 7: and gold. Unfortunately I won't be attending the opening seramony
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  Speaker 7: here at the MCG. It wouldn't be fantastic if I was.
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  Speaker 7: But no, I'm afraid Victoria has run out of money.
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  Speaker 7: We're actually going to change the license plate in Victoria.
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  Speaker 7: We used to be the garden state. Then we were
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  Speaker 7: the education state. Now we are the failed estate. So yeah,
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  Speaker 7: there's no way that Victoria would ever be able to
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  Speaker 7: afford those Commonwealth Games. It was a promise made in
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  Speaker 7: the heat of an election cycle or an election campaign.
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  Speaker 7: Clearly they had no intention of ever going through with it.
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  Speaker 7: But I'm pretty glad that they didn't because if the
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  Speaker 7: CFMAU had have been allowed to run rampant on all
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  Speaker 7: of those construction sites, building stadiums, building swimming pools, where
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  Speaker 7: we all would have paid an even heftier price than
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  Speaker 7: we already have.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let's get back to the unions and the Federal
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  Speaker 3: ALP conference, because this plan, this policy agenda that has
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  Speaker 3: been put forward by the AMWU costed at one hundred
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  Speaker 3: and sixty billion dollars a year.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, not all of that's going to.
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  Speaker 3: Be implemented, but it's a clear demonstration of what the
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  Speaker 3: unions are pushing labor to do and where all the
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  Speaker 3: pressure comes from for ever more government spending and ever
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  Speaker 3: more government intervention.
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  Speaker 7: It was a mind blowing wish list, wasn't it. I've
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  Speaker 7: got to say my eyes widened when I was reading it.
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  Speaker 7: I'm surprised though, I mean, the Australian Manufacturing Workers' Union
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  Speaker 7: seem to speak about everything other than manufacturing, And how
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  Speaker 7: do you bring back manufacturing to our country, to this
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  Speaker 7: great nation.
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  Speaker 8: Well, how about we have lower.
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  Speaker 7: Energy prices, how about we have an industrial relations system
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  Speaker 7: that works for both the employees and the employers. How
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  Speaker 7: About we lower our taxes. How about we cut red
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  Speaker 7: tape and regulation. How about we adopt new technology. Why
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  Speaker 7: isn't the AMWU talking about that rather than whether we
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  Speaker 7: should have the union jack on the flag or whether
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  Speaker 7: we should nationalize our banks.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, this is just crazy stuff.
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  Speaker 7: What worries me though, is that article by James Mathas
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  Speaker 7: was absolutely right. The scary thing is when these things
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  Speaker 7: go on the Labor Party's agenda. Even if they go
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  Speaker 7: they just sit there and do nothing, and the Labor
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  Speaker 7: parties as all, no, we're not going to implement that.
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  Speaker 7: Go back and have a look at the Labor Party's
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  Speaker 7: agenda from a decade ago. So much of it has
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  Speaker 7: been implemented, including now changes to negative gearing, changes to
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  Speaker 7: capital gains tax, taxes on trusts.
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  Speaker 8: All of this has been part of.
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  Speaker 7: These national conferences for years and year is now and
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  Speaker 7: now that the Labour Party feels that they have a
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  Speaker 7: free run, they're implementing it with their ears back.
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  Speaker 3: Well, if you want to drill into the politics of this,
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  Speaker 3: which I think is important because that's what's hurting this
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  Speaker 3: country so badly, and that is that the Labor Party
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  Speaker 3: is now controlled by the left factions. You have a
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  Speaker 3: socialist left prime Minister, a socialist left leader in the
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  Speaker 3: Senate in Penny Wong. So these left unions like the
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  Speaker 3: AMW are running this leftist agenda and dominating and gone
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  Speaker 3: are the days where the right factions and the unions
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  Speaker 3: like the Australian Workers Union, who would push for policies,
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  Speaker 3: for instance.
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  Speaker 1: That delivered cheaper electricity so.
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  Speaker 3: They could get more jobs in factories and manufacturing, they've
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  Speaker 3: been pushed to the side. And the AMW is actually
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  Speaker 3: talking about nationalizing energy. All their plans that are making
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  Speaker 3: energy more expensive. That's only going to get rid of
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  Speaker 3: more manufacturing jobs.
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  Speaker 7: I think some of the policies that the Labor Party
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  Speaker 7: have been announcing in the last year, two years, four
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  Speaker 7: years would make those great reformers roll in their grave,
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  Speaker 7: although let's face it, Paul Keating's not quite in his
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  Speaker 7: grave just yet. He still has an awful lot to say.
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  Speaker 7: But you know, Bob Hawk was one of those great
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  Speaker 7: reformers who actually drove productivity, working with the unions and
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  Speaker 7: businesses rather than against them, to make sure that we
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  Speaker 7: had an industrial relation system that worked for everybody, that
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  Speaker 7: we did introduce new technologies into our workplaces rather than
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  Speaker 7: have a union right of veto over whether we adopt
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  Speaker 7: AI who made sure that we had lower energy prices
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  Speaker 7: in a thriving industrial sector, and deregulated first of our
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  Speaker 7: financial system but then other parts of our economy as well.
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  Speaker 7: That's what we're looking for. That's the only way we're
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  Speaker 7: going to drive growth. Because without productivity, without a genuine
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  Speaker 7: productivity agenda, well we're going to have a speed limit
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  Speaker 7: on the economy.
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  Speaker 8: That's what we're seeing now.
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  Speaker 7: Every time economic growth gets above two percent, all of
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  Speaker 7: a sudden, inflation runs out of control.
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  Speaker 1: Again.
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  Speaker 7: The RBA then has to put up interest rates and
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  Speaker 7: the Labor Party shoulders says, oh, it's international factors.
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  Speaker 8: Oh it's Vladimir Putin.
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  Speaker 7: Oh it's Donald Trump, it's the middle it's somebody else's fault.
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  Speaker 7: But we'd like to see the Labor Party take responsibility
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  Speaker 7: for driving these problems, for making these problems worse, driving
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  Speaker 7: up government spending and crowding out the private sector. All
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  Speaker 7: of us are paying a price for Labour's economic mismanagement.
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  Speaker 3: Your productivity should be the top of the national agenda.
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  Speaker 3: And if labor is really serious about creating jobs for
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  Speaker 3: the future in this Adelaide conference, they would have productivity
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  Speaker 3: at the top of the agenda. But it never gets
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  Speaker 3: a lot look in. But when it comes to the
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  Speaker 3: costs on one of the big inputs to everything in
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  Speaker 3: this country, that is energy and also the drain on
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  Speaker 3: household budgets and the like. I just want to go
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  Speaker 3: to Chris Bowe and also the budget mismanagement.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to Chris Bowen here talking about his.
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  Speaker 3: Energy, his battery renewable battery scheme.
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  Speaker 2: Have a look, cheaper home batteries are doing exactly the
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  Speaker 2: same thing, four hundred and sixty thousand now across the country.
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  Speaker 1: So they are really reducing prices.
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  Speaker 5: For the people with the batteries, but they're also reducing
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  Speaker 5: prices for everyone else because we're using let's gas at batteries.
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  Speaker 5: Good for the planet, good for your pocket.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's just wrong on all of that, But put
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  Speaker 3: aside all the arguments of how this is undermining the
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  Speaker 3: grid and actually not helping the system at all or
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  Speaker 3: as much as they say at the very least. The
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  Speaker 3: problem here is again another cost blowout. This scheme is
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  Speaker 3: going to cost him twice what he budgeted.
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  Speaker 8: That's exactly right, and it's billions of dollars.
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  Speaker 7: So it's not good for the pocket, certainly not good
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  Speaker 7: for your taxpayers pocket because as the Treasury Secretary said
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  Speaker 7: when she said the quiet part out loud, the revenue's
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  Speaker 7: got to come from somewhere to pay for this large
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  Speaker 7: spending agenda. And of course that's why we're seeing taxes increase,
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  Speaker 7: changes to negative gearing, changes to capital gains, tax taxes
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  Speaker 7: on trust and now they're talking about.
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  Speaker 8: A tax on gas as well.
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  Speaker 7: Now Jim Chalmers might say, oh, no, that's not on
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  Speaker 7: the agenda, we're not going to do that, but clearly
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  Speaker 7: the Labor Party.
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  Speaker 8: Want it on the agenda.
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  Speaker 7: Otherwise it wouldn't be so high up front and center
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  Speaker 7: of the talking points at this national and again we're
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  Speaker 7: seeing it. But of course, if we want cheaper energy,
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  Speaker 7: we need more gas in the system.
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  Speaker 1: And if you.
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  Speaker 7: Tax something, you get less of it. We want to
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  Speaker 7: see more gas, not less gas. If you tax it,
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  Speaker 7: we're going to see investors go elsewhere. We're not the
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  Speaker 7: only country that has available gas fields that could be
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  Speaker 7: used for our own domestic purposes to bring our prices
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  Speaker 7: down as well as be a really profitable export overseas.
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  Speaker 7: But unfortunately Labour seem to get in the way whether
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  Speaker 7: their ideology, rather than putting the best financial interests of
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  Speaker 7: the taxpayer at front and center of their thinking.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it would be another massive exercise in self harm.
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  Speaker 3: I know, former front Bencher ed Hughesick is pushing it
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  Speaker 3: pretty hard in Adelaide.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see what happens. Thanks for joining us, Jane, and
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: Jane Hume, the Deputy Liberal Leader, joining us live from Melbourne.
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  Speaker 3: I want to catch up on international affairs now. And
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump positioned a new threat to Tehran, warning more
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  Speaker 3: infrastructure will be destroyed if attax in the Strait of
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  Speaker 3: Home Rules continue.
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  Speaker 1: Here is the latest from Fox News.
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  Speaker 9: US forces carried out another wave of strikes on Iran overnight,
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  Speaker 9: and now President Trump has a new warning for the regime.
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  Speaker 9: He says, from this point forward, anytime the Islamic Republic
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  Speaker 9: of Iran shoots at a ship in the Strait of
• 19:14
  Speaker 9: Horn Mouz, the United States will bomb and destroy one
• 19:17
  Speaker 9: bridge or power plant, including those located next to or
• 19:21
  Speaker 9: in Tehran. Secretary of State Marco Rubio says the US
• 19:24
  Speaker 9: is still open it talks with Iran, but protecting commercial
• 19:28
  Speaker 9: shipping comes first.
• 19:29
  Speaker 10: We remain open to diplomacy, we remain open to working
• 19:32
  Speaker 10: it out in a negotiated way, but right now they
• 19:34
  Speaker 10: don't seem to be serious about that, and so we're
• 19:36
  Speaker 10: going to continue to protect shipping.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Well again we'll cross to Melbourne.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: This time we'll catch up with Australia's longest serving foreign minister,
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: Alexander Downa. Thanks for joining us again, Alexander. The strada
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: of all moves, all the focus on that Iran has
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: realized what a crucial.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Pinch point it is.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Of course, what we never hear from the American side
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: is is any military strategy that completely protected. It's obviously
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: a very difficult geography to get complete military oversight of.
• 20:09
  Speaker 11: Well, the problem is that President Trump, having started this
• 20:14
  Speaker 11: war with the Israelis, and I'm much in favor of that,
• 20:20
  Speaker 11: has constrained himself by saying he won't use ground troops
• 20:24
  Speaker 11: in any circumstances, and that limits the capacity they have
• 20:28
  Speaker 11: to get control of the Straight of Hormuz. But frankly,
• 20:33
  Speaker 11: if you go into a war, you need to be
• 20:36
  Speaker 11: ruthless in prosecuting that war, and he should be ruthless,
• 20:41
  Speaker 11: not half hearted about it. And I mean he's winding
• 20:45
  Speaker 11: up gradually and very slowly, but it is going to
• 20:50
  Speaker 11: require some ground troops. I suspect to seal off the
• 20:54
  Speaker 11: Strait of Hormuz and the Red Sea as well.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: Packerhaps now also with this year, where you've got the
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Hooties threatening to fire on In fact, they've already fired
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: on some ships going through the Red Sea. They've made
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: threats to Saudi Arabia. To me, there are two concerns
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: about that. One obviously is the passage of aill exports
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: from Saudi Arabia.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: But the other point is the.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Broadening of this into a Shia Sunni conflict, where Saudi
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: Arabia is now on the sites of the Shiahs of
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Iran and Yemen.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Tell us your thoughts on both those aspects.
• 21:32
  Speaker 11: Well, you have to look at the recent history of this.
• 21:36
  Speaker 11: The Saudis and the Amaratis have been at war with
• 21:40
  Speaker 11: the Hoothies in Yemen in any case for quite some time.
• 21:45
  Speaker 11: They've in recent times stopped their military activity, but they
• 21:50
  Speaker 11: have been mounting persistent attax on the Hoothies. So this
• 21:57
  Speaker 11: is a continuation of the war between in the Hothees
• 22:00
  Speaker 11: and the Saudist and the Houthees have been attacking Saudi Arabia,
• 22:06
  Speaker 11: attacking their desalination plants, attacking their energy infrastructure and so on. Well,
• 22:14
  Speaker 11: the war may spread or it may not. That's a
• 22:17
  Speaker 11: matter for the Iranians and Iran controls the Hoothes, they
• 22:23
  Speaker 11: fund them, they arm them. They are completely under the
• 22:27
  Speaker 11: control of the IRGC. So frankly, it is the responsibility
• 22:34
  Speaker 11: of Iran to bring them under control. And if they don't,
• 22:38
  Speaker 11: the Americans are just going to have to deal with
• 22:41
  Speaker 11: the IRGC, with the Iranians, and that that involves a
• 22:45
  Speaker 11: difficult war.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Will so be it?
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Now, I just want to get to bring you back
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: to domestic issues linked to the Middle East, of course,
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: and this is the reporting around so called the doctor
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Jihad Tarika Kamlay, former Adelaide pediatrician originally from Perth. Now
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: you'd be aware of the constitutional and legal requirements here.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: It's not easy for Australia to keep a citizen out
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: of the country permanently. What do you think a responsible
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: national government would do in a case like this?
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Would you accept the people.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Back and make sure charges are laid if they exist,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: or is there something more that the Abanzi government could do.
• 23:28
  Speaker 11: We'll try to avoid bringing them back at all, and
• 23:33
  Speaker 11: the way to do that is to confiscate his passport.
• 23:36
  Speaker 11: While I cancel his passport, I don't know whether he
• 23:39
  Speaker 11: has an Australian passport anymore, but I wouldn't issue him
• 23:45
  Speaker 11: with one. I know this having been the Foreign Minister.
• 23:48
  Speaker 11: You can cancel people's passports in certain circumstances, and as
• 23:53
  Speaker 11: the Foreign Minister, I did not often, but I did
• 23:56
  Speaker 11: occasionally cancel people's passports. So that's the first thing I
• 24:01
  Speaker 11: would do. Sure, he can go to the court seat
• 24:05
  Speaker 11: judicial review or try to sue the Commonwealth if he wants.
• 24:11
  Speaker 11: I would take that risk, but I would confiscate his
• 24:15
  Speaker 11: passports so that he couldn't get back to Australia. I
• 24:18
  Speaker 11: don't want him back in Australia.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: In the case of the ISIS brides, I've actually facilitated
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: the issue. We have new passports and travel documents obviously.
• 24:30
  Speaker 11: Yeah, that's right they have, and that really surprises me.
• 24:36
  Speaker 11: I would be much more ruthless in dealing with these people.
• 24:40
  Speaker 11: I have no simple people them at all. They may
• 24:45
  Speaker 11: be Australian citizens, they left that country to go and
• 24:50
  Speaker 11: fight with one of the most brutal terrorist regimes ever known,
• 24:54
  Speaker 11: and they want to come home. I would make their
• 24:59
  Speaker 11: journey home as difficult as I could, and confiscating that
• 25:03
  Speaker 11: passport or canceling that passports will make it very difficult
• 25:07
  Speaker 11: for them to travel because travel direct to Australia.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for joining us, Alexander. I appreciate it. Alexander
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: down to their live from Melbourne. We'll take a break.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: On the other side of that, I'm going to catch
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: up with Jewish leader Alex Richard, Australian Jewish leader who
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: was abused at the very site the Bondai massacre just
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: over twenty four hours ago.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Don't go away.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Yesterday afternoon, something pretty special and empathetic was happening quietly
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: and with no publicity.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Apparently, leaders from the Sydney Swans.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Were revisiting the site of the Bondai massacre and discussing
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: its implications with local community members. Alex Rifchin from the
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Executive Council of Australian Jury was there. You know him
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: well from this show and he was abused by a
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: woman who recognized him at the scene. Rifchand says the
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: woman yelled out calling him an evil Zionist, among other things.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Alex Richard joins me now from archer Pak at BONDI
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: thanks for joining us, Alex.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: I'm just so sorry to hear about this awful event.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: It was where you're standing there now, at the site
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: of the horrendous massacre back in December and just over
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: twenty four hours ago.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Can you tell us what happened?
• 26:24
  Speaker 12: Well, as you said, Chris, you know the Sydney Swans,
• 26:27
  Speaker 12: they reached out immediately after the massacre. They've been tremendous.
• 26:30
  Speaker 12: They first came down the teams, the administrators, the women's
• 26:34
  Speaker 12: team as well, came down to the Bondi Pavinion memorial
• 26:37
  Speaker 12: site to offer condolences and compassion to the community. They
• 26:41
  Speaker 12: were fantastic. They did a big tribute on their home opener,
• 26:45
  Speaker 12: and they also wanted to meet the rabbi from the
• 26:48
  Speaker 12: synagogue that was most affected by the massacre and come
• 26:50
  Speaker 12: down to the site itself to receive a tour with
• 26:53
  Speaker 12: one of the survivors to hear about the massacre and
• 26:56
  Speaker 12: really understand and empathize with what transpired here. And my collegue, Evan,
• 27:01
  Speaker 12: who was shot in the back when it all began,
• 27:04
  Speaker 12: was with me and as we entered the site, this
• 27:07
  Speaker 12: woman approached and said why are you here, called me
• 27:11
  Speaker 12: an evil Zionist and so forth, and look, I feel
• 27:15
  Speaker 12: like in the last few years I've seen it all
• 27:17
  Speaker 12: and experienced many things, but to have this happen here
• 27:20
  Speaker 12: on hallowed ground, the site of a massacre, just six
• 27:23
  Speaker 12: months afterwards, and for ever a survivor to have to
• 27:27
  Speaker 12: be retraumatized in that way, have to experience that, I
• 27:30
  Speaker 12: think it's appalling and it shows really how little has
• 27:33
  Speaker 12: changed since the massacre. If we felt that there would
• 27:35
  Speaker 12: be some sort of catharsis or transformation, I don't think
• 27:39
  Speaker 12: it's happened. And I think those who always despise the
• 27:42
  Speaker 12: Jewish people and wished violence upon us, people like this woman,
• 27:47
  Speaker 12: they're still around, They're still brazen. There were police president
• 27:50
  Speaker 12: at the time, there were usual police patrols happening here.
• 27:53
  Speaker 12: They observed everything. She wasn't deterred by their presence. It
• 27:57
  Speaker 12: shows the sorry state of affairs were in at the moment.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is tragic.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: I'm at Bondi most days. The police presence is very
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: obvious there all the time. But it is very depressing.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: As you say, even with the raw commission going on
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: in the background, which I'll get to in a moment,
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: the levels of hatred seem to be only increasing. I
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: know that the man who was arrested and moved on
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: for wearing what looked like a swastik air with a
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: slogan about anti Semitism outside the Royal Commission. He appeared
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: in court today and was merely fined fifteen hundred dollars.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: But the political leadership concerns me too. And you must
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: have noticed what Zora and Mamdani said in New York
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: City yesterday. I mean, this sort of thing just gives
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: license and inflames the hatred, doesn't it.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: It does.
• 28:44
  Speaker 12: And at every turn there are people there who are
• 28:47
  Speaker 12: going to justify this sort of thing or say that
• 28:49
  Speaker 12: her reference designers and means that it wasn't anti semitism,
• 28:52
  Speaker 12: wasn't motivated by hatred. But any thinking person, any person
• 28:56
  Speaker 12: of compassion and decency, can look at the context, look
• 28:59
  Speaker 12: at the fact that she said it at this site,
• 29:02
  Speaker 12: the manner in which she said it, Her intention clearly
• 29:04
  Speaker 12: to offend and to menace. And whether you use the
• 29:07
  Speaker 12: word Zionus or other euphemisms, or you say Jew, it
• 29:11
  Speaker 12: has the same effect. It's the same people that are
• 29:13
  Speaker 12: being villainized and abused and attacked. And so you know,
• 29:17
  Speaker 12: there's this fiction that you can loathe Israel, propagandize against it,
• 29:22
  Speaker 12: accused it of everything under the sun, and be very
• 29:24
  Speaker 12: fond of the Jews. It's a nonsense. Ma'm Dami's an
• 29:26
  Speaker 12: example of that. And even the fact that the killers
• 29:29
  Speaker 12: who carried out the slaughter off far from where I'm
• 29:31
  Speaker 12: standing now, in their manifesto will be alledged by the police.
• 29:35
  Speaker 12: They spoke about the evil of Zionus the exact language
• 29:39
  Speaker 12: that this woman used here, So it shows that it's
• 29:41
  Speaker 12: merely a fig leaf for a deep hatred and the
• 29:44
  Speaker 12: sort of words this woman use serves to normalize and
• 29:47
  Speaker 12: incentivize violence, and we have to take a stand against
• 29:50
  Speaker 12: it before another tragedy transpires.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: We certainly do.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: And it's just inconceivable, really inconceivable, even if you take
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: into account, to you, the best possible spin on this
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: sort of abuse, the best possible argument someone might have
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: for making some sort of a political call to do
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: it there on that place to someone that you know
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: is Jewish. It's just beyond human, isn't it.
• 30:20
  Speaker 12: Yeah, Look, there's a degree of evil in our society,
• 30:23
  Speaker 12: and you and I know the Australian fabric and nature
• 30:27
  Speaker 12: of this country, and that the overwhelming majority of people
• 30:30
  Speaker 12: here are good and decent and compassionate and empathetic, and
• 30:33
  Speaker 12: we saw it when the massacre occurred. The thousands of
• 30:36
  Speaker 12: people that came here to offer their condolences to crime
• 30:38
  Speaker 12: in the arms of members of the Jewish community to
• 30:41
  Speaker 12: offer their support. So many people of all walks of
• 30:44
  Speaker 12: life and all faiths. But there are people here who
• 30:47
  Speaker 12: suffer from a sickness, and anti Semitism is a sickness
• 30:50
  Speaker 12: and unless we take hold of it, it will continue
• 30:53
  Speaker 12: to corrupt this society and change the nature of what
• 30:56
  Speaker 12: it means to be in Australian.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Now, the ALP National Convent Conference meeting in Adelaide this weekend,
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: there will be agitators there to strengthen even the ALP
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: is already very pro Palestinian anti Israel standing.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Ed husick.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: The former front bencher Muslim MP is pushing hard on this,
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: using the term apartheid against Israel.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Again.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: This is where the political, the political attacks crossed the
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: line into personal hatred, isn't it.
• 31:29
  Speaker 12: They do, and they have to understand and the leadership
• 31:32
  Speaker 12: of ALP has to understand that activists like this, they've
• 31:36
  Speaker 12: been at this game for a long long time, trying
• 31:39
  Speaker 12: to push the party more and more to a confrontational
• 31:41
  Speaker 12: position with Israel, and they will never be satisfied. They
• 31:44
  Speaker 12: want to see the complete abandonment of relations with Israel.
• 31:48
  Speaker 12: They want to see its complete isolation, boycott, sanctions and
• 31:51
  Speaker 12: the rest. And when you have terms like apartheid, used colonialism,
• 31:56
  Speaker 12: accusations of genocide and starvation, effectively means that the state
• 32:01
  Speaker 12: is evil and what do you do to evil stays
• 32:03
  Speaker 12: I that you destroy them, You confront them in every
• 32:05
  Speaker 12: way possible. And people who defend the state I the
• 32:09
  Speaker 12: Jewish community and people who are deemed Zionists are deemed
• 32:13
  Speaker 12: to be complicit in that. So there's a clear continuum.
• 32:16
  Speaker 12: There's a clear connection between the demonization of Israel, themost
• 32:20
  Speaker 12: extreme terms which we regularly see an a tax on
• 32:23
  Speaker 12: the Jewish community, and the quicker the government realizes that,
• 32:25
  Speaker 12: the better.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Alex.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: I'm so sorry about what happened to you yesterday. People
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: in the Australian Jewish community not only have to send
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: their children to schools behind ballards and armed guards, go
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: to synagogues behind ballards and armed guards. Now you can't
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: even go to this sacred site now at Bondai, where
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: fifteen people lost their lives without being targeted as Jews.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: It's a sad indictment in our country.
• 32:52
  Speaker 12: Thank you, Chris I really appreciate your support.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Alex Richan there on Bondou Beach just twenty
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: four hours after that shocking and st we'll take a
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: break on the other side. We're going to lighten things
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: up a bit and have a bit of fun in
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: sport with Robi. We're going to look at the Commonwealth Games,
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: about the start and also preparations for the Brisbane Olympics.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: Every Thursday we catch up with Mark Robinson, sports broadcaster
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: and writer, joining us live from Victoria and Robert, I want.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: To start off here on a sore point.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: I think you'd be pretty cheesed off, would and you're
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: pretty excited about the Commonwealth Games opening tomorrow in Glasgow,
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: but pretty cheesed off they're not in Melbourne.
• 33:32
  Speaker 13: Oh oh hell I great, here you go. That's a
• 33:35
  Speaker 13: nice welcome. The is Victoria cheesed off? Of course they're
• 33:40
  Speaker 13: cheased off. We're going to talk about Brisbane in a second,
• 33:43
  Speaker 13: and they're going to get it done.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna help.
• 33:45
  Speaker 13: We've already helped Scotland Glasgow. We paid hundreds of million
• 33:48
  Speaker 13: dollars for them to get it done and we couldn't
• 33:51
  Speaker 13: get it done. But we'll forget about that. They start tomorrow.
• 33:54
  Speaker 13: They start tonight actually with some balls, but they start
• 33:57
  Speaker 13: tomorrow with the with the parade, and we'll.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Get into it.
• 34:02
  Speaker 13: It's like everything else when there's an international sport on
• 34:06
  Speaker 13: the people of Australia, support their people and guess what
• 34:11
  Speaker 13: you may and everyone else will become experts, not an expert.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: In every possible sport.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: I tried to become an expert on soccer the past month,
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: but I'm far from it.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: But they announced we.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Heard from the flag bearers today for the ethnic ceremony
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: tomorrow morning our time, let's hear from them.
• 34:34
  Speaker 14: It's obviously a huge honor. And this team is so strong,
• 34:38
  Speaker 14: our Commonwealth team is always so strong, and there are
• 34:40
  Speaker 14: so many deserving athletes that this could have gone to.
• 34:43
  Speaker 8: So I feel super lucky.
• 34:44
  Speaker 14: I feel super honored and hopefully I can just make
• 34:48
  Speaker 14: them proud and everyone back home proud.
• 34:50
  Speaker 15: It's an incredible privilege, Like I said, to be selected
• 34:54
  Speaker 15: as the Baton Beary out of a very strong Australian
• 34:57
  Speaker 15: team of two hundred and fifty odd athletes one of
• 35:01
  Speaker 15: the biggest privileges that I think that can be in
• 35:03
  Speaker 15: Australian sport.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Tim Hodge, they're a Paralympic swimmer, and Nina Kennedy
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: the pole vaulter. We always send it. We always have
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: a strong team at the Commonwealth Games, Robert. I mean,
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: let's let's be frank. You know, you've got some strong
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: countries there from the UK of course in Canada, but
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Australia is always going to do pretty well.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we are.
• 35:23
  Speaker 13: And it wasn't it nice to hear those people talking about,
• 35:26
  Speaker 13: you know, being a flag bearer Nina Kennedy and I've
• 35:29
  Speaker 13: heard Andrew Gage, who was the flag bearer at the Olympics,
• 35:34
  Speaker 13: and to listen to Andrew Gaze talk about the absolute honor.
• 35:39
  Speaker 13: They haven't done it yet, but post event walking onto
• 35:43
  Speaker 13: the walking onto the onto the track and letting the
• 35:46
  Speaker 13: team around, Gays talks about it like it was the
• 35:50
  Speaker 13: highlight of his entire career to be the flag bearer
• 35:55
  Speaker 13: of his country and being such a popular person. It's
• 36:00
  Speaker 13: something you'll never forget. In these two Nina and Tim,
• 36:04
  Speaker 13: I think when they finish and they'll reflect on what
• 36:08
  Speaker 13: they are able to do, they'll also say it is
• 36:11
  Speaker 13: the highlight of their life.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: He did it in Sydney.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: I think didn't gaze the home crowd. But yeah, yeah,
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: and yeah I was there.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: What a hell of a night.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: But while we're on the Olympics six years to the day,
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: now is six years away the Brisbane Olympics. A bit
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: of a tour of the swimming facilities today. As you said, Brisbane,
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: we'll get it done. We've got to have faith done.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: We've got to keep their nose to the wheel. But
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: there are a lot of doubters.
• 36:39
  Speaker 13: There is a lot of datas in following the debacle
• 36:42
  Speaker 13: in Victoria. It's understandable why there's dads, but there's not
• 36:45
  Speaker 13: many states like Victoria.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: I don't will make it.
• 36:47
  Speaker 13: Political, Christ, but try living down here. It is an
• 36:50
  Speaker 13: absolute nightmare and we're going to be reminded.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: So it's six years.
• 36:55
  Speaker 13: They're kicking off the six year countdown. The code extent
• 36:59
  Speaker 13: is the and get getting built. They're going to so
• 37:02
  Speaker 13: many of these sporting facilities getting built over the next
• 37:05
  Speaker 13: couple of years and Victorians will sit there and say
• 37:08
  Speaker 13: why not us.
• 37:10
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: Now, the big news in the AFL is Ken Hinckley
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: chosen as the inaugural coach of the Tasmanian Devils. They're
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: good on them. We'll see them in the competition of
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: a couple of years. But Adelaide is not just the
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: center of the political universe tonight, It's also the center
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: of the foot of universe tonight. Can my Adelaide Crows
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: get it done against Collingwood?
• 37:30
  Speaker 13: Oh, you'd hope say. They're playing pretty well your boys,
• 37:32
  Speaker 13: aren't they? They play a tough brand of football.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: They're they're they're.
• 37:37
  Speaker 13: Fast, They've got key forwards.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Haven't got Philthorpe the night.
• 37:40
  Speaker 13: He's out for three, but text comes back. Significant win
• 37:44
  Speaker 13: tonight if the Crows can get up and if Conningwood
• 37:48
  Speaker 13: can win like people are talking about and being back
• 37:51
  Speaker 13: in town a little bit, if they can knock over
• 37:54
  Speaker 13: the Crows. I don't think they can win the flag,
• 37:56
  Speaker 13: but they'll have a big say in September.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: We will see they get nowhere near it.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Robo, Matt Robinson there joining us
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: from a Victoria. Lots of Labor supporters in Adelaide tonight too,
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: And like the nation's prisons, the labor party is full
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: of Collingwood supporters.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I'm only joking. I'm only joking.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: I know Stephen Conroy will be there and I hope
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: he back's a loser.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: We're going to get to the break.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: On the other side of it, we'll have National Cabinet
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: with Tim and Mark, and we'll have plenty of Barnaby
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: and Chris Bowen and Donald Trump. Let's wrap up our
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: week as we do with the National Cabinet. Tim Blair
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: joins us from the Daily Telegraph. Also Mark Nicholson from
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: step Mate Studios. Good to catch up with you.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Again, gentlemen.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: Yep, I'm pretty keen to have a look at it
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: some of the kerfuffle we've seen this week when it
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: comes to Pauline Hanson in One Nation. Now, I'm all
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: for criticizing any politician when they say or do the
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: wrong thing, but it seems to me to the media
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: and certainly half of the political world is so keen
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: to slam Pauline Hansen. They verbal her, they criticize her
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: for saying what they hoped she'd say.
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  Speaker 10: Tim, Oh, absolutely, this is this is they haven't worked
• 39:15
  Speaker 10: out yet, and we saw it again before the Press
• 39:17
  Speaker 10: Club thing. They haven't worked out yet to treat her that.
• 39:19
  Speaker 10: The best way to sort of take Pauline Hanson on
• 39:23
  Speaker 10: is to treat her as an ordinary politician, give her
• 39:25
  Speaker 10: the same respect as they give every other politician. Instead
• 39:28
  Speaker 10: they make different rules for Pauline, and this only helps.
• 39:32
  Speaker 10: That's the message that she's outside the mainstream and she's
• 39:35
  Speaker 10: been treated wrongly because she's not establishment, and it's a
• 39:40
  Speaker 10: it's profoundly unfair and it plays right into Hanson's playbook,
• 39:43
  Speaker 10: and good on her for running with it.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Mark, she says things that would not even make
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: the news if someone else said them.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very it's a good point. But I don't know.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna stop him. That's the
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: old Napoleon maximum. You never interrupt your opponent when they
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: when they're making a mistake. All it's doing is just,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: you know, it's further solidifying support. But it's also it's
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: it's demonstrating that these people in the media and these commentators,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: these these social media commentators, they're all jumping and pouncing
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: on it, that they think you're stupid, they think you
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: don't see and hear and think for yourselves, and that
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: she's been completely mischaracterized. It's it's really it's only helping.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: So yeah, please, that's he's going.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: I recognize the critical point because what they're doing is
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: they're treating the viewers, the audience, the voters as absolute
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: idiots because they can see exactly what she said. I
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: want to go through a couple of examples. For instance,
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: here's some of the media coverage about white Australia policy.
• 40:45
  Speaker 7: She blamed the end of the white Australia policy for
• 40:48
  Speaker 7: our migration issues, and controversy does follow the right wing
• 40:51
  Speaker 7: senator wherever she goes.
• 40:52
  Speaker 13: From Afar the One Nation leader appearing to lament the
• 40:56
  Speaker 13: end of the white Australia policy.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, some of them are even saying she wants to
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: bring back the wide Australian policy all the rest of it.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Here's what she actually said.
• 41:05
  Speaker 17: How have you ended up with Pakistani's, Somalis, all of
• 41:10
  Speaker 17: these African problems with violent Africans.
• 41:12
  Speaker 8: I've seen some crazy videas, yes, come out of Australia.
• 41:15
  Speaker 18: How has that happened when you have such a strong
• 41:17
  Speaker 18: immigration policy.
• 41:18
  Speaker 19: Well, it started in nineteen seventy three with GoF Whitlam.
• 41:21
  Speaker 19: So they opened up and got rid of the Wide
• 41:23
  Speaker 19: Australia policy. Then they started bringing in the different migrants.
• 41:26
  Speaker 19: We had a lot of people came out after the
• 41:29
  Speaker 19: Second World War, so Italians Germans, Polish and his people.
• 41:33
  Speaker 19: But they integrated into the system and they a lot
• 41:38
  Speaker 19: of them couldn't speak English, but they learned to speak English.
• 41:41
  Speaker 19: They had to go and work.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: So Tim apparently making any reference to the history of
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: Australian migration is a call.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: To bring back the wide Australian policy.
• 41:51
  Speaker 10: Yeah, she just basically gave a nice, cogent brief modern
• 41:55
  Speaker 10: history of the immigration movement in Australia post the with
• 41:59
  Speaker 10: them administration. That's all she did. And but by mentioning it,
• 42:03
  Speaker 10: by mentioning the what Australian policy, they lump but they
• 42:06
  Speaker 10: think they throw this stuff at her. She's look at her.
• 42:09
  Speaker 10: She's a Nazi and she's talking to a guy who's
• 42:11
  Speaker 10: got a few convictions. And that's it is. It's so
• 42:14
  Speaker 10: I mean, in a way, it's tiresome. But as Mark says,
• 42:17
  Speaker 10: let him keep doing it. It's all for It's all
• 42:19
  Speaker 10: for Pauline Hanson's strength.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: Well, another one this week has been domestic violence. Here's
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: how the media has tricked it up.
• 42:27
  Speaker 18: Oh, such apology from the party leader over these comments
• 42:30
  Speaker 18: about a much more prevalent problem domestic violence.
• 42:34
  Speaker 6: Saying women should get out of abusive relationships though many can't,
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: and that men can be domestic violence victims too.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: Don't see how hither of those things are controversial comments.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: But here's more detail of what Pauline actually said.
• 42:55
  Speaker 14: What's your message, Pauline Hanson to blugs who lose their bottle,
• 42:59
  Speaker 14: who get angry and bash and hurt their intimate partners.
• 43:04
  Speaker 16: Well, it is wrong, but it's also a two way street.
• 43:09
  Speaker 16: But I'm not saying that it's just men and women
• 43:13
  Speaker 16: can lose their cruel as well. Society is under so
• 43:17
  Speaker 16: much pressure, Gary than what it used to be ever
• 43:19
  Speaker 16: has been passed.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, Mark, it just does my head in.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, anybody with any empathy says that women should
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: get out of violent relationships. They all know it's hard
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: and you've got to two things to protect them and
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: make it easier. But everyone says you've got to get out.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: And of course it's just a matter of fact that
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: there are domestic violence attacks that are made against men.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: But she just the frothing of the media. That's my
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: head in.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: But I'm afraid I think you're right, Mark, in the end,
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: that probably helps Pauline Hantson more than hinders it.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Exactly mate, you don't interrupted with the machium mistakes. But honestly,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: I read these headlines now because I haven't seen the
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: headline before, I've actually seen the original statement, and I'm like,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: I'm actually excited to see how reasonable original original propositional
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: b I'm actually excited to be like, oh, this is
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: gonna be more extreme the headline. I'm like, the more
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: reasonable it's going to be. Like that is, like you said,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: it's a statement of fact, It's purely reasonable, and it
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: just it just further makes me believe that she's the
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: real deal.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: That's it's as simple as that. It makes up. Well,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: there you go.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: If she's the enemy of these guys who just keep
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: lying to you and treat you like you're stupid, she's
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: the real deal.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Well I've had a.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Bit of fun this week already with Barnaby's instructions to
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: his dog and some of the overreaction. I just wanted
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: to share with you a couple of social media memes
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: that have done a good job with this.
• 44:40
  Speaker 18: Sorry it's a dog, Sorry it's a dog.
• 44:48
  Speaker 19: I think.
• 44:53
  Speaker 18: Sorrykeuna, but I think sorry it's a dog.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: They're a pretty good tip, but I like the one
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: where he set out off the stage.
• 45:11
  Speaker 10: Absolutely, and it also works with Joe Biden. It's a
• 45:14
  Speaker 10: universal sit down. It applies across the but I mean
• 45:20
  Speaker 10: plainly when when dogs responding to it. One Nation's message
• 45:23
  Speaker 10: is getting beyond even the human species. It's got a
• 45:27
  Speaker 10: universality across all mammalian life at this point. It's a
• 45:30
  Speaker 10: it's a it's a it's a freight train that can't
• 45:33
  Speaker 10: be stopped.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: I tell you what, Mark, you and your mates at
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: One Nation are pretty nimble. I notice on the web
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: page now One Nation is already cashing in there selling
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: One Nation dog leagues ten bucks.
• 45:47
  Speaker 19: Mate.
• 45:47
  Speaker 8: They don't muck around at One Nation.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: HQ.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: We're a well oiled machine now, mate. It's it's it's
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: it's awesome. It's and when you see something like that,
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: I have not stopped laughing. I just I've seen it
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: probably a thousand times now and I still continue to laugh.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: It's so funny. It's a working dog. It's not Barnaby's
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: cocker Spain. It's a working It was probably the nicest
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: that's been spoken to all day. So that was probably
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: the most polighted demanded copped all day.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: So while One NA should have having a laugh about it,
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: making money out of it with dog leeds. Our friends
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: at the ABC who have very very strange ideas about dogs,
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: as I know only too well Jess have shot purse
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: lips and they're worried about people yelling at dogs.
• 46:28
  Speaker 10: Tim that is that is I hadn't seen that. That
• 46:33
  Speaker 10: is the latest example of it. Next they're going to
• 46:35
  Speaker 10: have Pauling Hanson's you know, might make a comment saying
• 46:37
  Speaker 10: it was good that Australia was on the winning side
• 46:39
  Speaker 10: of World War two. It'll be like Hans endorsms mass
• 46:42
  Speaker 10: nuclear death of infants and women. There's no way you
• 46:46
  Speaker 10: can win in the media is in this mode. It's pathetic.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: It is pathetic.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: Let's go to some more light entertainment from the other
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: side of the globe where Donald Trump made a very
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: telling announcement today.
• 47:00
  Speaker 17: I am here to announce my candidacy.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: I'm only kidder marketers.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: There are some people who still want him to find
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: a way to run for a third term.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: But the constitution is the problem.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Amount of constitution made, that thing hasn't mattered for ages.
• 47:28
  Speaker 8: It's he's running.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: That was the announcement. He's not kidding, He's not kidding
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: at all. He was just testing it out.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: And I'm very excited for a Trump third term. It's unprecedented,
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: but it's going to be awesome. I I really miss
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: rally Trump. It's my favorite Trump, and I've missed him dearly,
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: so I'd be very happy for another election campaign if
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: I get more more rally Trump.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: It's my favorite.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: He also gave us a little bit of an insight
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: into communism, into communism that that I didn't get when
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: I study economics and history at university.
• 47:59
  Speaker 17: Have a look with communism, everything turns to shit. Okay,
• 48:06
  Speaker 17: it's true terribles and it's my wife patriot. When I
• 48:16
  Speaker 17: do that. She said, you were doing so nicely and
• 48:19
  Speaker 17: then you had to use a fowl word.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: Our country been doing a lot better, tim if our
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: university summed it up as pithy as that.
• 48:28
  Speaker 10: All you need to do is look at the difference
• 48:30
  Speaker 10: between East Berlin and West Berley. And we did the experiment.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Yes, actually.
• 48:35
  Speaker 10: Absolutely, he is right, as so often a Donald Trump
• 48:39
  Speaker 10: is great.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: To talk to you again, guys, We'll catch you next
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: week on News twenty four Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: And that is all the time we got for.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: You Tonight, my last show here at Sky News, because
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: when we're back on Monday, it'll be News twenty four,
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: all the same stuff and plenty more.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: I'll see you then