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Social media is killing your memories · AI for Founders with Ryan Estes

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Social media isn't preserving your memories, it's deleting
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their meaning. We've built trillion dollar
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platforms to help strangers watch us, but the people who are
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actually there? They're scrolling past the
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moment. Founders obsess over growth,
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distribution and scale. But what if the most valuable
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product isn't reach, It's recall.
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Think about this. You host a retreat for your top
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50 customers. Everyone captures photos, voice
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notes, inside jokes. 2 weeks later, it's all buried in camera
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rolls and Slack threads. What if there was a product that
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automatically stitched those fragments into a shared living
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story? Not for the algorithm, but for
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the tribe. On the podcast today for AI for
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founders.co, we go into a product that does just that.
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Because in a world optimized for attention, are you building
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something that deepens connection or just consumes?
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Welcome to AI for founders. I'm Ryan Estes and today you'll
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learn how a second time founder who helps scale a company to IPO
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is now rethinking memory itself, using AI to organize life's most
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meaningful moments. This is for builders who about
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That's kick caster by MO burst. All right, well, Oleg, welcome
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to the show. How are you?
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Hey, Ryan, I'm very well. Great to be here.
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Great to meet you. Happy to happy to meet.
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Yeah, fantastic to meet you as well.
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Really excited to talk about your story and your product.
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So let's start off with just a brief introduction to your
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product, who's kind of your ideal customer and what problem
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you're trying to solve. As it stands right now, we'll
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talk about it in a few moments, I guess the product that I'm
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building is a private social network for photo sharing, which
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is a tool that is missing right now.
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So it's absurd that we're in the the 21st century and photo
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sharing is still broken and I believe the time is now to to
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fix it. Incredible.
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Zillions of reasons. Yeah, let's talk about this
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because I love this kind of idea, which is taking like
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everyone's using different tools for photo sharing.
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You feel like it was done wrong. How is it being done wrong and
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what are you looking to improve? Yeah.
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Look, if you look at the tools that people are using for photo
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sharing, you can split them into two main categories.
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So it's photo apps like native apps.
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For example, your iPhone or your Android device has built in
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camera and obviously built in Gallery, which is a personal
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tool. Basically it creates and
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collects all your all your photos and everything that you
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collect from other people. You can save all this clutter
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there, including all the memes that you'll get from your
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emails, from your WhatsApp, from your Telegram, from your
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iMessage, or you just randomly take from anywhere.
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So it just creates a lot of clutter.
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And honestly, the device owners, meaning the hardware owners,
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Google and Apple and all those, basically their best interest is
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to get you pay for storage. So they don't have any vested
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interest to make sense of this, of this clutter on your device.
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And therefore you have no way to make sense of it because they
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have no interest. On the other hand, there is just
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networks like messengers or private or social networks where
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you are supposed to share things.
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But all the sharing experience is not built for photos.
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It's built for either for messaging like WhatsApp and and
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other messengers, or it could be generic social media which is
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built for optimizing for likes, for social exposure, for
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creating your social capital. It has also nothing to do with
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your social actual social network where you do want to
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share photos, which is your friends, your families, with
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people who will meet at small social events, your birthdays
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and so forth. So absurd.
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No one is bridging the gap and I believe there is a room for for
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improvement to say at least. Yeah, it's interesting the the
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social media platforms have kind of devolved away from the social
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aspect. It's not so much like I want to
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go see check in on my friends on Instagram.
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It's like, well, I'm watching the Instagram channel, which is
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going to be, you know, NBA dunks in my place or fly tying or
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whatever else they're serving me up that they know I'll like.
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Exactly. You know it's about 90% of the
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content on social media is produced by influencers and it's
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their day job basically. Most people don't share their
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private life on on social media unless they are idiots right?
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So just doesn't happen. Yeah, OK, so I'm I've got a
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bunch of pictures. I want to share them with my
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friends and family, but I don't want to clog up my phone.
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You know, I want to. I don't want to babysit storage
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because that's that that's the sad ending to most of our
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devices life, right. You're just like, what am I
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going to do here? Do I want to pay another 10
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bucks a month? So your company truly and it's
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it's truly dot me where people can go check it out.
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What are the features kind of like you're you're baking into
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kind of the the the core application.
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How are you going to how are you determining kind of pricing?
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Yeah, let's start there. So it's a quite a complex
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question. Let's try to to speed it to to
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several questions. So technically, the way it
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works, we're trying to apply some AI algorithms on device
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that would allow you to make sense of your photos and to
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select the best photos on from your own gallery or from the
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photos that are photos and videos that are shared as social
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events where you guys join together on the platform
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potentially. So the idea is that we need to,
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we want to bring a tool that will highlight the best photos
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for you that are worth sharing and will make sharing
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frictionless. That's the North Star.
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That's where we're heading. So regarding pricing, we are
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exactly at the at the point in time where actually I'm starting
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a new chapter. So it's quite interesting that
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we're meeting today, which is just the beginning of the new
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one. So previously my hypothesis
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which has led the company over the last a few months, maybe six
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or seven months, was around the theory that if we engage with
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event organizers that organize events and bring some value to
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the to the main stakeholder. For example, it could be the
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corporate event and where people take photos and they want to
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share photos with their colleagues, for example, that
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corporate event. Then if we work with event
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organisers who would potentially take us from the go to market
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perspective to their clients, it would be an easier sell to to
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sell them to them and to monetize the businesses
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basically and to bring some value to them as well.
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Unfortunately, it's not as easy as it sounds.
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Actually we, we've engaged with multiple event organisers and,
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and clients about a few dozens of to over 20 clients and event
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organisers that we have in our head in our pipeline is just not
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moving as fast as I want. So it's not the way it's
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supposed to work in 2026. So basically I've taken a
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decision that I'm shutting down truly, and I'm starting a new
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Yeah. So truly the brand still exists.
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We're most likely rebranded soon and we have an amazing
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technology. I have shut down the company and
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I have acquired the IPO of the company, which belongs to me
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100% right now. I've unfortunately fired
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everyone and I'm just starting from scratch pretty much.
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So I'm having an amazing technology.
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I believe that I can use it for growing consumer business and
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then come back to the event organizers and to corporate
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events and all those folks when the time is right, when I have
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the consumer network in place, which is much more significant,
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much bigger than it is right now.
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So it was a tough decision obviously.
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But after honestly having enormous look at where I am
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right now and where I spend my time and money over the last few
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years actually from the regional idea, which has nothing to
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nothing to do with what I'm doing now, honestly.
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So it was a race for pleasing some stakeholders may be hoping
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to raise VC funds, wasting my own fortune that was you know,
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earned by very hard work in the previous start up.
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And so I looked at it and I came to conclusion that we are not in
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2010, we are not in the 90s, we are in 2026.
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The company should not work this way.
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The company should be lean it. We I can do lots of stuff
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myself, amazing AI, which allows us now to build the code if you
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know what you're doing in no time like close code and all
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those allow me to build things quicker, faster and higher
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quality than my entire team could a few years ago.
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I can be much more efficient. I can be very lean on capital.
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I don't have to spend like many, many, many thousands of dollars
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May even 10s thousands of dollars every month.
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I can be lean. I can get to the traction
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metrics and then I can prove that I'm on track.
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And then I reach out to investors again and, and build
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it, just build it right on the same technology.
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That's that's where I am right now.
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What a serendipitous time to be speaking with you, you know, and
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I did this audience is full of founders and I think a lot of
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people are kind of looking in the mirror right now and doing
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the same thing, you know, because just in the last 12
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months, it's gone from like, oh, look at this AI augmented vibe
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coding to like now where it's like, oh, oh, cloud code is
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very, very good. 4.6 hope is very, very good.
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Like am I moving in the right direction?
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Is, is, I guess the question. So I'd love to kind of dig in
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deep here if you don't mind, because I know it's also
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sensitive subject because it's like you work on projects.
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At some point you, you got to, you got to move on from them.
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So you know, to, to kind of have you in this moment is very, very
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interesting. Now you're saying, you know,
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you're able to like radically improve productivity.
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You're also looking at the technological landscape of what
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people, what kind of apps people want.
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And it's not 2010. So maybe this isn't the right,
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the right product. So when you're, you're thinking
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about shutting down a project, a lot of things come up because
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obviously these are people's lives.
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There's people's jobs, there's perhaps investment capital, kind
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of walk us through like the steps of like realization and
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then execution of kind of like we're ending the project.
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It's not exactly landing the project that's ending, ending
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the company and ending the wrong go to market strategy that has
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led me to the point in time when I just ran out of of budget.
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I am not saying I ran out of money because look, about 90% of
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the funding was coming from my own pocket anyway.
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Only 10% was Angel Angel investors money.
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Obviously, I I'm fully greatly appreciated towards the guys who
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invested, invested dollars in in the previous venture, but that
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was the wrong thing to do. Meaning that unfortunately the
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notion of getting to the market via event organisers and
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continuing to fund the old company the way it worked was
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wrong. It was a mistake.
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I paid 90% of the cost, they paid 10% of the cost of this
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mistake and that's about it. Yeah, so.
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Well, you don't want to put, you don't want to put good money on
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top of bad money, right? So how, what was your
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investment? How much do you spend on this?
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If it's bootstrapped, largely 90% well.
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That that's quite painful. I invested the way above $1
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million out of pocket money, almost 1.5.
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So that was huge and I'm not talking about only photo sharing
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stage of the of the business. In the beginning, it was even
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bigger idea. It was almost an everything up.
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I even called it person I and my ambition was to create sort of
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an everything up. I ditched it long time ago but
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still spend a lot of money of exploring this idea.
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So if it would be 2026 and if I had this amazing tools that I
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have now with all my experience as a hands on software
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developer, I I should have taken this step long a long time ago.
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So it's better later than ever. And so basically technically I
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shut it down. And now what I'm going to do is
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to explore completely different ways of go to market, which is
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finding actually go into the where people spend their time
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together physically and going to use the tools that they're using
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for photo sharing and capitalize on those giving some value to
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where they spend spend time now and creating a sort of a funnel
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that will take them to my to my service.
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Ultimately, as a as a final approach that can be that can
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start from where they are now is sure.
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I should not have tried to convince people to change their
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habits from day one before they know me or before they know
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where they are. And that was the biggest
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mistake. And therefore I started
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exploring all those go to market ideas and monetizing them via
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event organizers know those. The original scene was was
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there. I I just tried to change the
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world and the original idea of doing the everything up like it
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was still somewhere deep in my head.
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I didn't dish it completely. Now with this company shut down,
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I've dished it finally. So I'm doing a fresh start.
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Incredible. You know, it's super brave.
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Was there a kind of an A light bulb moment when you're like,
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this is it? I have to do this?
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I mean, obviously that decision kind of percolates for a while
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before you actually pull the trigger.
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Was there any kind of like decisive event or something?
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No, I just, just the end of the year, I looked through the
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mirror and and said, OK, that's it.
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Yeah. Yeah, totally.
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You know, and, and good for you, you know, because I mean, that's
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that's where you got to make room for new ideas, you know,
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and there's obviously a lot there in photo sharing.
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There's a lot that can be done, but you know, to take a step
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where you're like, OK, we're, we're actually ending this so
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something new can evolve as opposed to trying to pivot
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different ways. It's like actually kind of like,
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let's start with a blank slate. So was there was this decision
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accompanied by any other ideas Like, hey man, actually I, I
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need to chase this kernel and I can't do it with this.
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What's going on now? So as I said that I'm starting
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this week actually we're starting to explore
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opportunities of tapping into other communication tools and
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finding the right small community is the biggest unlock
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that we did before shutting down the company actually was that
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people do want to not. Basically, there are two things,
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two behaviours that I noticed. Number one, when the sharing
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photos, people want photos of themselves mainly and all their
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loved ones and all their families.
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That's clear and that's quite obvious to everyone.
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The second thing, which is not as obvious and something that I
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figure out by doing lots of redundant stuff, actually like
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trying to. Make it the official app at huge
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conferences and then realizing that people don't care, don't
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bother sharing photos with random people.
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There was the experiment. Then I realized then, if the
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social environment is right, if the network inside the event is
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basically made of people who were either share the same
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values with you or they are just close friends or their families
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or their friends of friends, then people actually want to
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contribute photos as well, for example.
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I can give more. I can give an example my one of
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my friends who is a big fan of Japan and Japanese culture and
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even Japanese venture capital industry.
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So he, he's Israeli guy. And so he organised a party,
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sort of a party here in Tel Aviv there was themed to Japan.
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And he introduced his view and he started to learn Japanese and
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he spent a few months exploring the Japanese venture capital
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scene. And he demoed, created a demo
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for maybe 40 people. We had amazing, great sushi and
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what not. So basically people respected
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him and people, they were friends and friends of friends.
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So he used an app, meaning they're all the existing app for
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sharing photos at his event. And at the beginning of the
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event, he showed a QR code as a part of the demo of About Japan
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and say, hey, why don't don't you mind scanning this QR code
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and contributing your photos. And so we can see each other's
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photos from this event and almost everyone shared them.
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Basically, that's one of the proof points that even if people
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don't necessarily know each other, if they, I feel that
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they're in the right social, very tight environment built
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around some very specific, secure and trusted small group,
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then they would love, they would love to share, to share their
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photos with each other, not only with friends and families.
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So that's something that will basically drive me at the next,
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the next stage. I think that the hypothesis of
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people wanting to share photos if the social environment is
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tight, secure and right, the biggest unlock is coming from
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there. Interesting, you know, I, I love
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your focus too, is like in real life stuff.
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You know, I, I've been feeling a a big pull for that too.
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I think after, you know, everyone came out of their COVID
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coma, you know, you, you, there was time, there was time to make
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up, you know, so and, and particularly being able to
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validate in the real world in real time, where you can see
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people actually using it. You can see what, where they
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don't use it and why it's really interesting.
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So you know, it, let's say you're, you're moving forward.
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What does the next three to six months look like for you?
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Like what? What are some kind of major
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benchmarks you want to do moving forward?
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So I want to I want to prove that I am able to inject my
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product into the existing distribution channels that
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people would want to use and would trust the service to share
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photos. And the final would work and
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have some significant amount of users who would be converted to
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using to using the app going forward and will retain there.
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And then in the next few months, if everything goes well and I
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see that the final is healthy, then I can come back to
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investors and start the fundraising and maybe come back
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hiring some people somewhere. Until then, I am doing
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everything 100% by myself. Yeah, everything.
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Am I assuming that you're using Cloud Code for your code base to
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write? Yeah, that's an interesting part
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actually. So you know, I have a background
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of software engineering for the last 35 years.
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Actually I have experienced since in coding and somehow I
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did it without cloud code for the last 35 years.
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So now when the team was released and I had to get to
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code instead of them basically and getting my hands dirty
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again. And then not necessarily in the
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environment that I'm the biggest and the best in class developer,
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which is a mobile app itself. Like I'm pretty good at back end
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and C# and all those, but I'm not so good in hands on the
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development of a of a mobile app.
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I have never, I haven't done it myself ever.
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So, so then I realized that for 20 bucks a month, I can hire an
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expert that will be my mobile CTO.
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I can give him the instructions and he will come come up with
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the best possible solution. And then I can apply my 35 years
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of experience of signing it off. Basically that's how it works.
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And that's amazing. Like I'm shocked myself.
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It's incredible. Now I'm really interested in
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this. You have a legacy code base.
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How did you introduce code or Claude code to your code base?
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Basically, did you kind of create a sandbox and say like
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and just kind of walk it through?
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And I'm using kind of this personification because that's
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what I've seen kind of works the best.
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It's like almost you want to shake hands with Claude code and
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be like, hey, this is my code base and this is how we
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organized it and this is what we're trying to do.
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And any recommendations here would be awesome.
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Don't go crazy and blow the house house down.
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Help me make this better. Yeah.
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Did you do kind of like a process?
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Like that. Actually I looked at this cloud
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code thing as my new hire which cost me 20 bucks instead of
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whatever. Yeah.
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What the salary was of the software developer And then I
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created proper tasks in Jira and I saw this proper task to this
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guy and I said OK, so this is a task do it.
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So now tell me what's the plan? Don't make any changes.
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What is the what is the plan? What is the fix?
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Let's start from the most annoying bug fixes before we
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move on to the actual features. Let's start from bug fixes.
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So the this software developer offered me a few solutions.
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The first one was stupid. I said OK, no, no, no, you are
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doing something wrong. So that's I could not be trust
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me, I have more experience in the software development than
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you and think think better think.
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So ultimately we I mean we me, me and the and the Cody close
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code. So we fixed huge massive
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performance issue that had in the app that my team was trying
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to solve for a few months without using close code.
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We fixed it in in one day. Wow, do you think it was worth
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the 20 bucks? Oh.
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Yeah. It's ridiculous, right?
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Yeah. Fascinating.
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OK, what a cool conversation. This is amazing.
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Oh, like anything else you want to add to either the decision or
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the the moment you're in right now?
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How do you feel emotionally? Do you feel relieved?
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Do you feel inspired? Do you feel regretful?
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Like what is the kind of emotional weight?
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I am at a incredible height. I'm I'm inspired.
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I feel like I am back to business.
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I'm not wasting anything, I'm not wasting money anymore, I'm
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not wasting time. I'm just building something
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useful the right way. I'm not trying to chase and
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please anyone. I'm fully responsible and fully
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accountable of what I'm doing. And I am back to starting yet
28:57
another start up, which is we can count it at #6 or #5 not
29:04
sure how we count it. You know, that number four so
29:07
far was the biggest, the biggest win.
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It was it's currently traded at roughly 6 billion on NASDAQ,
29:13
which basically allows me to to run all these experiments by
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myself. So, so yeah, I'm back in
29:20
business to my sweet spot, which is starting something from
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scratch. And this time I have an amazing
29:28
technology that is already working.
29:30
I just need to find the goal there and dig out things that
29:34
that are actually applicable to the right problem.
29:39
Oh, it's inspiring to hear. I love it.
29:41
Let's go. Let's build a new start up.
29:42
Let's go. Let's go.
29:46
Amazing. OK, we're we're ready to enter
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the quantum round. Are you ready, Oleg?
29:51
For the quantum round. Yeah.
29:54
OK. You're obviously bullish on, you
29:59
know, we'll call it AI, augmented computer engineering.
30:04
Is there a bear case? Is there a place or a reason you
30:07
would not want to use Claude code?
30:13
I'm so excited right now. I don't think so.
30:15
I mean I wouldn't. I mean the next thing I did
30:18
actually, I used Claude code at my back end as well, which is
30:24
something that I have never felt that I needed because I felt
30:28
like I was arrogantly thought that I can just build things at
30:33
my sleep. Apparently it can help me there
30:36
as well. So no, no reason not to use it.
30:39
Have you have you started to tinker with Open Claw?
30:43
I know. Yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm waiting to
30:47
for V2. I know Peter just got picked up
30:49
by Sam Altman, so we'll see. Kind of like what comes out of
30:53
it. Put some guardrails on that
30:54
thing. It's a little scary, but maybe
30:57
I'm just naive again. But I'll, I'll be the second way
31:00
for sure. You're a start up guy.
31:03
What are some other ideas? This audience loves start up
31:06
ideas, particularly ideas that could Sprint to $1,000,000
31:10
annual run rate, let's say in 12 months.
31:13
Yeah. Anything else idea wise that
31:16
you'd like to see somebody create?
31:24
Do you mean any specific like big, big problems?
31:27
I think if the the the biggest problems I think that are right
31:31
now in health and that's something that I have no clue
31:37
about. But there are some problems that
31:40
haven't been solved. For example, unfortunately my
31:44
mom passed away 25 years ago. The she had glioblastoma and
31:52
this thing still has no cure. So there are some startups that
32:00
are trying to somehow delay it somehow to prolong the life or
32:04
maybe make her life a bit better.
32:07
But I think that there are a number of similar cases that can
32:14
be can be solved now with, with new LLMS, with new, with new
32:19
approaches. I would love to see something
32:21
like that. And there will be a multi
32:23
billion outcome, obviously if someone solves A glioblastoma
32:27
problem alone. So unfortunately we are also
32:33
living in an environment which is a hostile, meaning a war in
32:37
Ukraine, a war here in Israel. And I know there is a lot of
32:43
stuff that is going on, but huge budgets are going to defence
32:47
tech and all those. I'm not a big fan of it.
32:50
I mean, from the moral point of view, I don't think that that's
32:56
a good investment. But unfortunately, if we look at
32:59
it from their capitalist point of view, if someone solves the
33:09
the war problem like nuclear threat and nuclear mutual
33:13
destruction does not work anymore.
33:15
So maybe someone can come up with with a better idea that
33:20
will deter all these dictators. Maybe, you know, something that
33:27
will deter potentially Iran or Putin or whatever.
33:30
So I don't know. So I'm just saying I'm trying,
33:33
I'm trying to think big. I mean, I'm, I'm not a big fan
33:37
of like small ideas that well, you know, solve some
33:44
cybersecurity a small issue or take cheap for AI and make it
33:51
20% more efficient. That's boring.
33:56
I mean, there are lots of opportunities in those as well.
33:59
But going back to your question, what I would love to see, I
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would love to see someone solving life and peace problems.
34:12
Love it. You know, I spoke to a bunch of
34:13
people you doing really cool stuff with AI for kind of
34:18
diagnosis of medical conditions, which is amazing.
34:21
I mean that's that's here now and it's it's just getting
34:23
bigger. But once they get into the
34:25
actual design of treatments, you know, you know, if if you look
34:28
at like Claude or, you know, they're, they're probably
34:31
basically like a graduate student or a PhD student, It's
34:34
much smarter than me, I'd say you that much.
34:37
But once it's 10X that's smart. And you start putting them on
34:40
like problems like this where it can look at the, I don't know,
34:43
the genome of humans and be like, oh, well, we could do
34:46
this. This is this.
34:47
And we're starting to get outputs for what?
34:49
Actually designing new therapies and treatments.
34:51
That's going to be a magical moment.
34:53
Yeah. That's really cool.
34:55
Yeah. Cool.
34:58
Do you have a life motto? The closest one is Roger
35:07
Federer. Nice little tennis guy.
35:12
Yeah, it's not 100%, but there's a, if you're asking about their
35:17
old model, that's that's a human being and that's the
35:22
professional and that's the commitment and physical and
35:24
mental and all his journey from a crazy psycho to the gentleman
35:31
on the court and all this. That's that's a role model.
35:35
That is the closest one to the role model, I would say.
35:37
I love it. I love it.
35:38
You you you a pretty good tennis player.
35:42
Not me. I've grown to pretty good tennis
35:46
players at home. My both daughters are tennis
35:49
players. The bigger one has played for
35:53
Georgia State and she is in the UN now.
35:57
Thanks for her tennis career. She is now doing a PhD in
36:01
neuroscience in Upenn. And the young, yeah, the younger
36:06
one is here in Israel with me. She's also studying.
36:10
She's like 7 years younger than the big one.
36:13
But she also has a great potential, obviously.
36:16
So. So yeah, I'm very close to to
36:19
tennis as a as a parent, not not as a parent.
36:23
Amazing. Is there ACEO or another
36:26
entrepreneur you admire and follow closely?
36:33
Well, I don't admire anyone. I'll be brutally honest with
36:38
you, I don't admire anyone. I mean, there are some folks
36:44
that I would I would be more than happy to learn from.
36:48
It could be starting from Steve Jobs and Elon.
36:56
But from the personality point of view, none of these guys with
37:00
all the respect definitely to to Steve Jobs.
37:04
I don't admire them as as as CE OS or as a as a people like
37:14
human beings. So it's if we if we could
37:17
combine several one or several ones of them in one personality
37:23
and add Roger Federer on top, that would be the reason to
37:26
admire. That Roger Federer run the
37:30
company, like, yeah, look at this, we're going to play a net
37:34
game. I don't even know what that how
37:35
that applies to the company, but that's what we're doing.
37:39
Right. Amazing your daughters are in
37:42
college. If you were to go back to
37:44
university today, what would you study?
37:54
Maybe something related to languages, not necessarily a
38:02
technical discipline. I think that if I go back to the
38:09
college, not only college Asia, I would say then I believe that
38:15
it doesn't really matter. I believe it does really matter
38:19
what you study. It has to be something that you
38:23
are obviously love to study and the skill that you are getting
38:26
from the college is the notion of just having to study
38:31
something and this discipline and being accountable of all
38:36
your exams and everything and being good at social environment
38:41
with your friend, friends, the students around you and all
38:45
those. I think that's the whole
38:47
experience of starting at the college is is great.
38:51
It doesn't really matter what you study unless you study
38:53
something way off and something they wouldn't have no clue
38:56
about. So I happened to study applied
38:59
math, but if you ask me if I used 1% of what I learned in the
39:09
in the university, I I don't think so.
39:12
I mean less than 1% of the actual of the actual study was
39:19
actually applied to my career. I could have learned something
39:25
very different and I would ended up where I am right now most
39:28
likely. Yeah, it's, it's almost like
39:31
where it is not what it is, you know, it's like there's a an
39:34
energy and like a camaraderie that goes with a college
39:38
experience now that like, yeah, study whatever, you know.
39:41
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool.
39:45
Amazing. What kind of rap with this one?
39:47
What's a book recommendation you often make or what's a book you
39:50
would actually buy somebody to read?
39:56
Buying a book? Let me think.
40:08
You mean I would maybe go with some depending, depending on who
40:15
actually. So it's like, what is the what
40:19
is the goal is just having fun and getting a smarter or reading
40:24
something and getting some insights for your career and for
40:28
your product. Like what is the final like
40:32
function? What is?
40:33
What is it trying to achieve? Let's say it's just your best
40:36
friend. You're like Oh my God, you have
40:37
to read this. I'll buy it for you.
40:45
You know, there is one Russian book that I that you know, I'm,
40:52
that I was born in Russia 52 years ago, right?
40:56
So I moved to Israel 30 years ago.
40:58
So my mother tongue is, is a Russian and my books that I read
41:03
when I was a kid and youth were in Russia.
41:07
So I would probably suggest them to read their master and
41:12
Margarita by Michael Bulgako. That's my favorite one.
41:17
But it is nothing to do with the goals or unfortunately, there's
41:20
just a just a great book. I love it.
41:24
Oh like this has been absolutely fantastic.
41:26
Congratulations on your new journey.
41:28
I'm so excited for you. I can tell you're fired up.
41:31
What's the best place for people to connect with you online?
41:34
Yeah. So I'm very responsive on
41:36
LinkedIn. And by the way, if someone from
41:39
your audience, I'm sure there are maybe a few, a few of them
41:43
if you guys have built some consumer networks or consumer
41:48
products and you've experienced organic growth.
41:53
And I would love to have a chat and swap some ideas, take some
41:59
notes and help each other. That would be amazing.
42:03
So feel free to reach out to me on LinkedIn.
42:05
I'm I'm very responsive there. Tremendous and I will link your
42:09
LinkedIn in the show notes below.
42:11
So if you're listening to this, click on that, connect with Oleg
42:14
and and talk. Thank you so much for joining
42:16
me. This is awesome conversation.
42:18
Thanks, Ryan. Great to me.
42:19
I got a great conversation. I agree.
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