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Bear Bones: To IR and Back Again, Week 1: Vikings @ Bears · 2nd City Gridiron

• 1:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: Welcome in Bear's fans to this episode of Bear Bones as always I am Mason West and join by Danny me and Danny, how you doing?
• 1:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: What's up, Mason?
• 1:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just hanging out man, how about yourself?
• 1:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: not too shabby.
• 1:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: I am pretty excited.
• 1:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: Football's back, right?
• 1:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: We got a game tonight, a game Friday, and then of course we got to wait a while for the Bears Game Monday.
• 1:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: So this is a bit of a different show.
• 1:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's it's always weird when you got to do kind of what we're doing here at the preview and talking about injuries and all that stuff this far out, but we'll do it again.
• 1:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, especially because the injury reports today are kind of meaningless.
• 1:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was if they practiced.
• 1:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 1:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: So it'll be quick.
• 1:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, we'll talk about it just because to bring up what was there.
• 1:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I mean, we, there's not a time we can go off for that exactly.
• 1:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
• 1:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: Bye.
• 2:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: Bye.
• 2:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: That means we can dive into our chart review.
• 2:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: This is going to be where, and if you're new to the show, everything we do in years, a lot of puns.
• 2:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: So I'd like it to be sorry to deal with it.
• 2:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: But everything is very heavily based on the fact, right?
• 2:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I am a doctor of physical therapy.
• 2:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: Danny has his exercise science background.
• 2:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: So we really try to put a lot of that science aspect into this.
• 2:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: So it's a good time.
• 2:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's good mix of all this stuff.
• 2:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, in the chart review, we just talk about some storylines that happened in the week.
• 2:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: Some of them I just power through just so you have them if you missed it.
• 2:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: Other ones will spend a little bit of time talking about.
• 2:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: First couple ones, they're here like bears removed Bill Murray and Ian Wheeler from IAR with injury settlements, right?
• 2:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: The both got hurt.
• 2:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, you revert back to the IAR if no one's doing picks you up and then a more often than not, if.
• 2:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: the player feels that they don't want to be on this team or that they are not actually in that injured state, they will ask to be released and you do.
• 2:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then they try to find another team so it pulls out and it also frees up them on the salary cap.
• 3:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: That it does.
• 3:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: Look at burden.
• 3:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: Change the number to 10 after being 87 and then from 13.
• 3:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: So Burton has had three different numbers before taking his first NFL snap.
• 3:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: So I didn't walk her also changed his number back to 20.
• 3:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: Just kind of odd the flip flop, especially with those two different guys.
• 3:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, kind of strange um like height.
• 3:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's 20 number for Jada is a little bit interesting because he's a wide receiver and 20 is like traditionally a dB or a running back.
• 3:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but
• 3:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm all for someone being different, like if you want to be a lineback or wearing a 40s number or 90s number or whatever, do what you want to do.
• 3:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do find it weird when people like it all like, oh, it's just so why would you wear that number?
• 3:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've out like.
• 3:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, To his number, the NFL changed the rules, let them wear what they want.
• 3:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I guess I, I don't really care.
• 4:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: I remember Tom Brady raging when they changed the numbers because he was like it's just like just such an unfair advantage I'm looking out there and I see a you know a 10 where it's not supposed to be or I see you know a number four It's like just don't throw it to the other team.
• 4:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what you're talking about It'll never make sense.
• 4:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean some of the things people get up and arms about
• 4:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: All right, go now with some of our just general news from the week.
• 4:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: The bears, if you look and you feel like RIS, I do.
• 4:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's interesting.
• 4:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, it's not the end.
• 4:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'll be y'all in this little highlight that a bit.
• 4:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: They ranked number four over all for average RIS.
• 4:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's relative athletic score for 2025, with an 8.18.
• 4:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: and who are tides for second for players over 8.0 with 34 and third for players under 5.0 only 4.
• 4:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: The teams ahead of them are the Colts Eagles and Browns, the Bears ranked 6th in 2024, so they're definitely continuing the trend they've been building on.
• 5:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: You look at that and you're like Eagles, that's super cool.
• 5:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like you want to be in the conversation with them and you also see Colts and Browns and you go, Gross, you don't want to be in that list.
• 5:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is kind of interesting to see him specifically with the cults, because of who polls, you know, hold an high regard, who is Chris Ballard, because they spent a lot of time in Kansas City with each other.
• 5:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do want to caveat this, RAS is interesting, but it's, I feel like it's a lot, not a lot, but a little less applicable than it used to be, to so much a football is in a phone booth, or in short area,
• 5:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: flip your hips and turn and things like that and it feels like any more like a lot of these guys are abstaining from doing like the shuttle drills and the three the three cone drills be where you are forced to flip turn and drive and reset and it's like it's a good indicator of
• 6:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: of like how truly like all round athletic you are not just hey I go fast straight line because really football you're never a sans being a sacrificial ex or a gunner or something you're never really going to be running straight line as fast as you can for that many yards in order to get up to that top speed.
• 6:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and at the end of the day, you know, this, it's one piece of the entire conversation like take Jack Sandborn, I mean, is he going to be your, the best lineback in the league, no, but he was a functional linebacker for the bears and I think he'll be a functional linebacker for the Cowboys and his areas sucks or landovers was like seven something much is very average if not above.
• 6:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, but Orlando Brown, like, you had an awful combo, but he's a quality starting type of.
• 7:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think those famous one, like, I think there's a baseline, like, you can't succeed as a football player if you're in the red, like Jarvis Landry, like famously had a zero point perfect nine, like RIS, like, but had multiple, I believe, 100 catch seasons and was a really good slot.
• 7:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I see you run the NFL.
• 7:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: But
• 7:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: What I'll say is, being a better athlete gives you more margin for error if you are a lesser athlete.
• 7:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have less margin for error and rely much more on the football skill of it.
• 7:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a harder like to live, but sometimes lesser athletes have other football players, greater athletes are lesser football players and have different ways that they need to develop.
• 7:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: that's a perfect way to put it.
• 7:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: The same thing when it comes to tackles and arm length, you know, it's the same, the more margin for error just when you have the vet that length on the edge, et cetera, et cetera.
• 8:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: And that's what goes for a lot of different things.
• 8:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: All right, move it on.
• 8:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: The bear is created $8 million in space by restructuring quarterback Jalen Johnson's deal.
• 8:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: There are two ways you tight against the cap.
• 8:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: Anything they don't use, they can roll over into next year.
• 8:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: You guys have got guys like sweat, more dominant jacks and commits with, they'll have fully guaranteed salaries anyway.
• 8:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: So you should probably all see at some point those get converted and moved and shifted.
• 8:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: Most key extensions are for two of those 26 are already done.
• 8:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: So after the bears restructured daily job as a deal, they're just over $1.3 million and $2,26 cap room.
• 8:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: They're going to need a pretty big year from their 24 through 26 draft classes to make up for that lack of spending that they're going to have.
• 8:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I would actually, yes, I come next year.
• 8:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: If Jalen continues to play a top five to a corner and football, you'll probably see him get a new deal anyway.
• 8:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: This will probably end up sitting down.
• 8:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: because I believe his guaranteed money is out after this company here.
• 9:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think so.
• 9:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: Speaking of Jalen Johnson, Wednesday, quarterback Jalen Johnson, who turns out he was dealing with a growing injury, we now get to know specifically what he had now that we get some actual reports and things.
• 9:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: So he was back on Wednesday and Kalmanunga, and we'll talk about this a little bit when we pull up the training camp, sorry, the injury report today, but he was also back on Wednesday as well.
• 9:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then there was a slew of players that came in for
• 9:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: a tryout with the bears, some interesting ones.
• 9:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: One of his former students off of the Tacklesack banner, who last played in the NFL in 2021.
• 9:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: A couple of their names that were interesting, Miles Cole, defensive and Texas Tech.
• 9:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: As you know, Foski, that was probably one of the bigger conversations.
• 9:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: People who were talking about last couple of days, defensive and our newer name played with Dennis Allen, obviously with the Saints, has zero Saxon in two years,
• 9:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's a known bum by then's Alan kind of don't know how you want to look at that and he fits the mold a bunch of other people the one I think I want to specifically highlight I don't know if you want to dive in on Cole or Foskey at all, but they did not bring any running backs in for try out says has been been going on and so it seems like what they have the bears are happy with in the running back room or at least not happy that's not the right word they are.
• 10:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: Fine content.
• 10:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, content.
• 10:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 10:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think Foskey's interesting because even with his lack of numbers, the room is so Equipped behind defense of end one mantas what number two dial o dang bow that he would have a legitimate argument as being your first guy up in the rotation.
• 10:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 10:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because just simply if nothing else because of pedigree and familiarity with the coach like
• 10:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: really just how down bad that positional group is.
• 10:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: The banner thing is interesting, but I can't have to imagine for a guy that hasn't played in that long.
• 10:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: If they were to sign an even like just the practice squad, like that his ramp up period would probably be quite long, right?
• 11:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like he has to be pretty sizable.
• 11:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, like guy struggle when they miss a couple of weeks
• 11:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like that's like the same thing with factoring in like Even if they were to go out and sign one of these guys who's injured like Zack Moss.
• 11:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's say they get give him a clean bill of health like He played last year, but he would require ramp up because he hasn't played football
• 11:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's one of those things.
• 11:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's like interesting more than anything, just in terms of again, where he came from, who the guy is, things of that nature, more than anything.
• 11:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, it just shows, I think, even though Braxons are starter, they're still, it's not settled.
• 11:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, and then by settled, I mean, it's, there's still some unsuredness that that's going on there.
• 12:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's more, and it should really say to you that they're not comfortable.
• 12:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: at all with the defensive end or the left tackle position, because they keep trying to find an answer that can at least maybe even stop gap at some point in this season.
• 12:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, in the practice hard,
• 12:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: in terms of left tackle in particular and edged.
• 12:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: And because there's a comments here in Tonyo, as far as I said, looking back at the draft polls, not drafting an edged rusher is absolutely fireworthy.
• 12:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: The thing that's tough with the others.
• 12:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: They did, they technically did draft an edged rusher.
• 12:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: They drafted most of Booker two years ago.
• 12:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, last year in the second round, from Texas, and technically, he's a defensive end.
• 12:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: And that's another big change from our turn at this year.
• 12:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's supposed to get after the quarterback.
• 13:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: And the other thing when it comes to both left tackle and then edge is that both of those positions, the hit rates really in terms of impactful players is first round, maybe a dip your toe in the water in the second round conversation.
• 13:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: And if you want to now start to go back through the picks, I mean, are you not drafting Rome and are you taking one of the adventures in that class or you're not taking kale boyos, are you not, you know, you can sort of play that game and it's like, it's it's hard to find a perfect landing spot where you would have taken a left tackle or a Or an edge mean when you had Braxton
• 13:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: functionally playing left tackle, and then when it comes to edge, which I agree it sucks that there's a massive hole there.
• 13:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's a problem.
• 13:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: Don't get me wrong.
• 13:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: I just have a hard time finding where you slide in that edge pick.
• 13:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: When there were some swings, they were just late swings.
• 13:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, and really all things being, all things being equal,
• 13:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: using the draft data, you're almost better to your point, you're almost better punting on edge and tackle in the second round altogether, and just taking like a fourth or fifth round flyer on like a freak of nature.
• 14:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Who has no football ability, but is a freak.
• 14:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: I was on the hunt train.
• 14:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: I will say that.
• 14:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then he got snagged by the eagles in the fourth round two years ago, fourth or fifth.
• 14:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, something like that.
• 14:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it's like you're almost better off taking the shirt by your football players, like offensive offensive guard or running back or defensive tackle, something like that.
• 14:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a little more translatable with a truth based off
• 14:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, who was the land in Cop, not in a Collins land in Dickerson, or no, from Arkansas.
• 14:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's the two in landins in my brain.
• 14:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: This year.
• 14:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 14:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he went in the second round, but it's like he had nothing on tape really.
• 14:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was more just a dart throw like that's something you would typically do in the fourth or fifth round.
• 14:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: But because you're desperate, it's like, well,
• 15:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and those premium positions are always going to get pushed up always, all right.
• 15:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: chart review done getting around up through this up here.
• 15:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: So we're going to talk about the bears and the Vikings.
• 15:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: Again, there's not as much that we can talk about as we normally do on the show just because of where it falls the week.
• 15:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: But one, three individuals did not practice Josh Blackwell, TJ Edwards, Rochon Johnson.
• 15:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: The ones that stand out the most, I mean, Blackwell is very important into the team in ways that people don't think about in terms of a special team.
• 15:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, you're starting, when you're starting line back to the hamstring, anytime you see soft tissue, I don't love that.
• 15:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then someone in Rochon, Johnson, who we just have not seen this summer.
• 15:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: We just have because he's been hurt with this foot, the entire summer, still not practicing.
• 15:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what's wrong with the foot, even?
• 15:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: No, it's just a foot.
• 15:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's all we have because again, in over training camp, they really don't
• 16:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: And even here in the powers that be that are the various media so far as far as I've heard have not really asked heavily like hey what is going on with the Rochon foot so we got nothing right now.
• 16:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the big one that stands out isn't Rochon to me, even though that matters because he's probably your second best running back at this point.
• 16:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: TJ Edwards being out is.
• 16:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Or you some.
• 16:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: Because for one, you don't have a lot of depth behind him.
• 16:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's because your sliding's no a tool in one would imagine, right?
• 16:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would guess they are.
• 16:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're probably playing Noah at the mic and to roll out the will, parchment at the will, rather like.
• 16:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 16:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: And between the two of them, and we've seen this, we're hoping, right, that Tramayn's going to have a good year here, just with the new defense and then the difference in attacking, but at the end of the day, like TJ's been the more insistent linebacker, and if he's not playing out there, that is really going to matter against this run game that the Vikings are going to have with both that with off-the-art drones, but now Jordan Mason.
• 17:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
• 17:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, continuing on, we talked about Jalen Johnson.
• 17:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: So he, he's listed as calf slash Rhine.
• 17:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: So he's got a little bit of both there.
• 17:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm thinking the calf popped up a little more recently than the thick Rhine.
• 17:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, he's limited and Kalanungai hamstring limited.
• 17:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: I would, unless there's a setback, I'm thinking they both play just based off what I'm hearing.
• 17:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: Jalen's, I put him at like 90%.
• 17:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, one nine guy.
• 17:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm more like 75.
• 17:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then Devon Duvenane, Dominic Robertson, will practice today, happy days.
• 17:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: How's that?
• 17:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: All right, and then we're going to flip down a little, some interesting stuff going on here, really quickly just, Christian Derosau starting off with the tackle is did not participate with a knee that one popped up today.
• 18:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: Xavier Scott didn't know that was actual NFL player, did not participate as well, running back for the Vikings.
• 18:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: Harrison Smith would be I hate that man.
• 18:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's had something weird going on.
• 18:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's been listed as personal and solicitiveness.
• 18:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: But he is really not been participating
• 18:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know what's the exactly going on.
• 18:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hope he's okay.
• 18:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: All things considered.
• 18:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, obviously bear fans have a bad taste in their mouth because he can border on the side of dirty, but he's still a tremendous football player.
• 18:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hope he's okay.
• 18:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you don't think that.
• 18:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, so in the Vikings have a bit of a hold behind him.
• 18:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, they, you know, have tried to draft safety, and it hasn't outworked out for them.
• 18:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: A sign is an example of that.
• 18:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, the Hine Harrison Smith, I believe it's Theo Jackson might be the the guy Magnet X van up behind him.
• 18:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, it's, so if, uh, here's Smith can't go, that is, that's quite big for the bears in that matchup.
• 19:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: And, uh, Derosol, again, big question.
• 19:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: It just kind of popped up today.
• 19:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um,
• 19:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: Now you're looking at a guy like, I think I'm looking at the death chart right now, just in school.
• 19:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know even who that is playing your left tackle.
• 19:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've ever heard of that, I'm sure that that's a person.
• 19:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: So keep an eye on that.
• 19:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's it's a Monday game.
• 19:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's Thursday.
• 19:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: We don't have a lot of information.
• 19:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's basically what we got for you.
• 19:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: I wish I had more, but that's what happens when you open on a Monday night football game.
• 19:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
• 19:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: We are going to do our first break and then get in season more of the specifics of this game.
• 19:40
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• 19:45
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• 19:47
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• 19:48
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• 19:52
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• 19:54
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• 19:58
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• 20:00
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• 20:05
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• 20:24
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• 21:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: All right, knee jerk reaction.
• 21:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: This is one hot take we got going in the next week.
• 21:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: What you got, Danny?
• 21:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, for as much as we've all ragged on DeAndre Swift.
• 21:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he could be in for a big
• 21:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that how I should say I don't know how much they're going to come out, you know, gun in the ball around kind of thing.
• 21:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think they're going to want to attack with the running game a little bit, especially because we don't know the the tackle situation on the left side.
• 21:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And a banged up Braxton could make life hard to get in a rhythm of a passing attack.
• 21:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I would venture a guess.
• 21:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see 80 plus percent of SNAPs come into the Andre Swift.
• 21:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: a decent game coming his way of like maybe 120 total all purpose yards and they're on a touchdown or something like that.
• 21:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think you got like a whisper of that when you look at that chief's preseason game.
• 21:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, when it was the first team out there, it was obviously there is a lot of injuries and stuff going on too, but it's not like that's changing at all right now.
• 22:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, Swift was getting a big bulk of the carries and he didn't at least try to run straight ahead.
• 22:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: There were some holes.
• 22:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he bounced a couple, but he actually really did try sick as nose in there, so I'll give him that.
• 22:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's going to bounce.
• 22:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's always going to bounce.
• 22:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's always got a bounce.
• 22:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: But then you get the ones like he had on that.
• 22:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: He bounced one and he had a sizable gain on it.
• 22:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: But it's just can Ben Johnson get him to everyone through a while to be like dude.
• 22:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: We need second and sixth.
• 22:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like we.
• 22:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 22:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like yeah, please just get what's the name or take what's given.
• 22:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's it.
• 22:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: My New Jersey reaction bears online will be okay because I feel like Caleb needs more consistency of the middle of first the edge.
• 22:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's just one of those quarterbacks that I think can get away with.
• 22:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: And we've seen him do this, whether it's the spin out, whether it's how he moves in the pocket.
• 22:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: We know, yes, he led the league in sacks and all that jazz last year.
• 23:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's isn't hiding from that.
• 23:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I think for him, if you're going to pick a spot, whether you're talking about the mineral off the edge,
• 23:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'd rather it come from off the edge than necessarily up the middle and I'm going to dig into this on something else going forward, but I think because of that, it'll be okay.
• 23:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not saying amazing, but I think a lot of people are freaking out about left tackle, definitely an area of concern, but it's better than having a turn-style at center or guard four kilos specifically.
• 23:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, it's the same thing when, by the end of a prediction, 120 hours is not a ton of yardage, but good amount, but it's not like he's going nuts.
• 23:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 23:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: We're like, it's okay.
• 23:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not great.
• 23:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: We're okay.
• 23:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's okay.
• 23:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: To be a perfectly honest, you're gonna blow the puns, you gotta love it.
• 23:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: Something brutally honest, mine is, I don't trust JJ McCarthy in any way.
• 24:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: eat my words potentially have come on day night, but I think when you look at what was going on this off season, you know, the fact that he had in last year, he had a revision going on with that knee surgery, well, that should be a very simple knee surgery.
• 24:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: The fact that they were flirting with Aaron Rogers, I think that's, you don't do that if you're confident in whether it's the health or what's happening on the field.
• 24:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then they ended up trading
• 24:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: They're back up quarterback away, Sam Howell, and they brought in Carson Wentz.
• 24:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: Now, I think part of it is they kind of looked at it, said we can get some value out of this guy, and it wasn't a lot of the other kind of big firm.
• 24:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: But to me, also, they think there's some layers of, well, we can have a, if we need a break in case emergency, Carson Wentz is a,
• 24:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: professional at this point back up it has shown to be able to lead offences.
• 24:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: Sam, how it just chucks the ball down the field and it's either touched down or interception kind of thing.
• 24:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: So I think there's enough red crumbs here that show you that I don't think the biking is necessarily trust fully trust him either.
• 25:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would agree with that assessment and I actually do find it interesting like you said that they change backups like just willingly
• 25:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Brought in car so it's but like you said that that also could just be the Kevin O'Connell thing like if I fix this guy can fix that guy in a pinch like.
• 25:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a level of arrogance to it, but we also have a level of reason to believe he can probably do it to some extent because of what he did last year with.
• 25:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know.
• 25:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sam Darp.
• 25:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's got a fun swagger kind of arrogance to him though like it's one of those ones where you feed off of it It's not like me pompous like all the guy sucks like you're just in a nuisance to be around So it's kind of a you hear Kevin a kind of talk and he just exudes it and it's it's an a cool way though What was your to be a perfectly honest?
• 25:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, honestly, it was coming off the injury report that TJ Edwards thing I think matters.
• 26:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of your, that's your, that's your, that's your green dot on defense, that's your play.
• 26:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Caller, that's your best to, for all intents of purposes, your lineback for the guy they just gave new money to.
• 26:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, and I just don't love how that feels special with Guy and Kevin O'Connell.
• 26:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know is going to commit on some level to running the football, especially with a young quarterback who's never taken an NFL snap in a regular season game before in JJ McCarthy.
• 26:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: And you're missing, you know, you're missing Jordan Addison.
• 26:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's another layer to it too.
• 26:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: That takes a different past game.
• 26:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 26:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 26:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and even they're they're starting to edit.
• 26:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: DJ Hackinson is also such as a blocker.
• 26:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know that they're going to come out with some level of, we're going to run the ball with Jordan Mason and Aaron Jones.
• 26:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it just, it feels a certain kind of way because I feel like we could see a few times on a field like, oh, it's second and sixth.
• 26:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just get a stop here, get it keep them at third and medium or whatever, and we can get off the field on the other down.
• 27:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like,
• 27:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: You might not be able to do that because you just don't have your surrogated tachlor.
• 27:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: If he ends up not playing.
• 27:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: If he ends up not playing, but that, that was my initial just to be a perfectly honest.
• 27:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he matters more than he should because your lineback or depth isn't that great and isn't that great as being very nice in the terminology.
• 27:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: The silver lining, I'm gonna throw out there and this is like pulling, kind of thing, is that Noah's soul had a really good train camp and looked much better in the pre-season than he has in the years past.
• 27:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think part of it has been like injury for him, he just wasn't hitting on the field.
• 27:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: So he looked good and so,
• 27:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: maybe you're hoping this would be a bit of a coming out party a little bit for him again on the national stage that he can cement himself a bit more as like I'm a quality backup you know TJ Edwards goes out yes there's still you know the Vikings will still get theirs but like it's not a gaping hole so fingers crossed on them yep no he he knows shows him promise in the preseason for sure keep it rolling well ain't this humorous something a little cork your funny what you got
• 28:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, it's a little bit quirky, or funny.
• 28:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's kind of hard to have it this early in the year.
• 28:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like we don't have anything really to go off of.
• 28:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's no baseline, but quirky or funny.
• 28:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do find it like kind of humorous.
• 28:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: The national talking points, still around Caleb going into the league.
• 28:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like just today, you had karma on CHGO saying with
• 28:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: pageant they might go 10 and 7 with with Caleb they're going 7 and 10 like what do we what are we doing why why is this a talking point already when we haven't even seen a regular season snap I just it's funny but it's also annoying and I'm tired of these stupid talking points I did not see that and I'm very glad I didn't but I'm that's stupid that's just
• 29:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: do.
• 29:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, I liked, and don't give me wrong.
• 29:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: I like Tyson, agent.
• 29:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: And he, the way he operates, I, yes, he, he can operate in an NFL offense consistently, but at the same time, remember when he started, he went two and two, and he had, what was it like two touchdowns and like six interceptions or six interceptions?
• 29:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: And yes, he, he's also wasn't, you know, he's going to get better as well.
• 29:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: We know this, but what, let's not pretend that he's something he's not
• 29:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: why can't we celebrate him being an undrived free agent who's made himself a legit NFL backup instead of trying to make the guy who just signed a five million dollar a year extension a star that's pennies for a in terms of quarterback like it's not I'm saying like I can't we just accept that the kid went is from West Virginia went to shepherd university and just signed a two year $10 million extension off of this year like
• 29:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, right, that's, that's a, that's a great find.
• 29:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 29:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: But don't elevate it to what it isn't.
• 30:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: And don't get, get a twist that I have a, a super flex dynasty league that actually I added him to look, because I had a empty roster space to, but that's because I'm complaining two years down the road in this dynasty league and super flex that someone might take a chance on page into be a starter at some point.
• 30:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: And it's a wood's like a whole thing.
• 30:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's not because I think he's
• 30:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: If he's ever starting games for the Chicago Bears, one of two things happened, Caleb got hurt, where Caleb was awful.
• 30:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's no middle ground to this.
• 30:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, those are the two things.
• 30:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: All right, my interest humorists, in the last four games against the Vikings, where Flores was defense coordinator, Ben Johnson's offense has average 30 points per game.
• 30:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: Across those four games, the Lions offense average 387 total net yards.
• 30:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, the Bears are not the Lions, though that the old line from the last three years,
• 30:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: Nor gives them a Montgomery or I'm on Ross A. Brown and I'm not walking through that door and on to that field Monday night, but the national chestiness that many are clamoring for the barely favorite fighting to be the bear seems like often kind of just funny to me that
• 31:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: And we actually went back and I watched that last game of Lions against the Vikings.
• 31:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: Golf played well.
• 31:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: Don't get me wrong.
• 31:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: But it was, you could tell it was the way that that offense was designed.
• 31:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: That just really was able to counteract with Flora as was doing.
• 31:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that will continue in the bearish, Kaila will be way that Ben Johnson just kind of seems to have Flora as his number.
• 31:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: And so why are we doing this?
• 31:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I, I would agree in some capacity.
• 31:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of it just has to do with that was a year three in that offense kind of thing would get with golf and not just for wetlands, the continuity and the comfort and everything.
• 31:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I, I would expect them to to look like an NFL off, look, I expect the offense looked like not the bears off, instead we're traditionally used to seeing as bears fans.
• 32:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, just be not the bears and play real NFL football.
• 32:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's going to look that way going forward.
• 32:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think you're going to see growing pains and hiccups and mental gaps and mistakes because it's a complex hard offense and everyone has said so.
• 32:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: This isn't like something where they're just going to make it easy.
• 32:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I do expect it to look better.
• 32:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I do expect them to put up some points in the yards.
• 32:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not me doing the thing on this show every week where it's like, can can you get 20?
• 32:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: Please, what was the streak, was it the, they didn't score on their opening drive like for like, for the entire, see, oh, see, entire.
• 32:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was like something like, or like, we 17 or 16, I finally held the, they'll never held the lead in the first quarter.
• 32:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was what it was.
• 32:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was something goofy.
• 32:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just, oh, my God, this is awful.
• 32:51
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• 35:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: Alright, what you need to know, just some important stats and questions that we have coming out of this game.
• 35:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: The Vikings vs. Villas rivalry began in the 1960s when the Vikings leading up the all-time series 65-58 didn't two in the regular season and won it on the playoffs.
• 35:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: In the first game of the series last year, the Bears lost a heartbreaker in over time 27-30, and then the wheels fell off in December and they lost 12-30.
• 35:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: A couple of questions we have about this match I have for you at any.
• 35:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: How important is this game for the Bears?
• 35:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: to me.
• 35:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's if you were to put it on a scale of 1 to 10, like probably like a 7, 6 and a half a 7.
• 35:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's fairly important.
• 35:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Get off on the right foot and show you can compete with one of the better teams in the conference.
• 35:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I know with Jay Jay McCarthy's there and no one expect them to win 14 games last year with Sam Darrell, but they did anyway.
• 35:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is a legitimately
• 36:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: You could argue that due to lack of drafting, success in it are crazy.
• 36:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: They are prime for regression, because if you look across the board, they're old and expensive, which is never a good way to go through life in the NFL.
• 36:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: But Kevin O'Connell is still that guy ahead of coach until proven otherwise.
• 36:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you sometimes just need to win a game you're not supposed to win.
• 36:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I get it that Minnesota is slightly, like a point and a half favorite or something like that, right?
• 36:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Or last I checked, I thought it was something like that.
• 36:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I saw some of bears Twitter and I saw some in our chats like being like, it's ridiculous that the Vikings are favored.
• 36:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: How the bears have won five games on average last three years.
• 36:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Vikings have won like 27 games the last two years, like, stop.
• 36:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's just, it's totally reasonable for them to be slightly favored.
• 36:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the only reason it's that low is because the uncertainty behind who JJ McCarthy
• 37:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, in Minnesota after being a year there in that same system with that same coach, like I think it's totally reasonable for them to be favored and I think it's a little reasonable to as a bears and to expect them to play hard and win the game, you've got the prince who is named a quarterback, you got the golden goose at head coach now in Ben Johnson and you've had all offseason to prepare for week one.
• 37:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: go win a game like I think overall yes if you had a pay say who the game is more important for the bearers to get off the right foot for the season and the Viking is fairly if you made this a binary thing right red green in terms of positions the Vikings will be filled with greens at almost every position besides probably
• 37:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: quarterback and maybe left guard because they have that rookie dot of a jackson and then we'll see all two what happens with, you know, Christian Derosol see what happens with Harris and Smith, but with everyone healthy, right, if that team is filled with the greens versus.
• 38:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: We're for the bears, you have a good chunk of greens, but there's little some reds, we know that.
• 38:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: So it's not crazy to be dogs by a point and a half.
• 38:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: Also, it's the week one spread.
• 38:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: We don't have any information.
• 38:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: All we have is we'll be no about your team from last year and then we just think we know based off the things you've done.
• 38:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: The bears haven't shown anything yet, so yeah, it's a tentacle of the doubt, right?
• 38:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
• 38:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: So, show me, you have to show me before we can believe.
• 38:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think I hope, I hope, you know, the information, the breadcrumbs are all there, but we don't know.
• 38:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: All right, next question for you.
• 38:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: Are you lost my spot?
• 38:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: There you go.
• 38:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
• 38:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: What is the worst case scenario that could happen Monday, nights?
• 38:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: But you would still go to bed that night feeling okay about it for the bears.
• 38:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: Say that one more time, what is the worst case scenario that would happen Monday night, but you would still feel okay about it going to bed, waking up the next day?
• 39:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so in my worst case scenario for how I'd wake up to feel better, it would be they win the game in a defensive stalwart, but the offense looks totally inept, but they still won.
• 39:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know some people would feel much better if they lost a shootout and whatever.
• 39:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't believe that losing makes things better.
• 39:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like winning cures all eventually and eventually winning will lead to lead to progress on some other things.
• 39:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: So for me personally, I'm not saying my take or my view on this is right, but the worst case scenario that I'd end up waking up feeling better about is,
• 39:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: The offense didn't look right, Caleb will shake you, but you still won, you played a hard defense with a good defensive play, all arguably the best defensive play, all our info ball, but you still came away, get it back together, let's move forward.
• 40:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think the one other one that I threw out in that might be a step below in terms of where it is.
• 40:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: If you came with a loss, but it was one of those,
• 40:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's one of those like Bills, Cheap Sashgames where it's like, you just got outdooled at the very end, like time just ran out on the clock kind of losses, where, you know, it is 30 to 27 and, you know, the,
• 40:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's like he's just had to happen to have the ball last and you know Aaron Jones ran a screen for a touchdown that you were just like how did that happen But it was just a gap, you know, it's one of those kind of situations But I have yours I would say like is right there too where Caleb a shaky up and down has some good had some bad
• 41:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: Because like the one that's now below in terms of how I just feel bad about it is we see four sacks like I can't the sacks need to be done for me I can't I can't do that.
• 41:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean I think we just all need to reconcile as bare for he's going it's going to be like the field thing or whatever he's going to take sacks
• 41:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: But there's a difference in sex.
• 41:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like take Jane Daniels, if she takes a stack, he takes a sack where he's moving and he loses a yard or two, because he's able to wiggle his way, you know, up and now it's first and 12 for the sake of argument instead of the sacks where we see.
• 41:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I guess, Caleb is still going to do those ones where it's the mad and sack where he's trying to make a play and he loses six yards.
• 41:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: But that can't be the average sack.
• 41:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: Last question for this section, and then we'll move on, in terms of the four play callers, right, for on the offensive defensive side in these two teams, rank them in order from who you're most confident into your release confident.
• 42:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's hard because all four play colors on both sides are really good.
• 42:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: And that's weird.
• 42:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's weird to be a bear's fan and be like, hey, like, I'm actually confident.
• 42:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, historically, like, honestly, he's just, so I have just a vacation on this.
• 42:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I thought I heard you right.
• 42:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted to make sure I heard what you said correctly.
• 42:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: I understand.
• 42:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: At the top, I would probably put KOC just because he's the head guy, the offense has been homing.
• 42:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: They've made it work.
• 42:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sam Darnall was on a five eyes over 4,000 yards last year, like, well, this isn't a Sam Darnall Blake is amazing.
• 42:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is a Kevin O'Connell, knows what the fuck he's doing thing.
• 42:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Underhand might actually probably go, I might be inclined to say Dennis Allen because
• 43:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: year over year, like just one of the best play callers and football and doesn't necessarily need you've seen it before.
• 43:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen it before in his store and not just for three years.
• 43:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: He did this with Denver.
• 43:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: He did this with with the New Orleans Saints the first time he did it again last time as they're defensive coordinator and then again as they're they're head coach.
• 43:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would probably
• 43:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I would say just because of what Ben Johnson has done to Flora's, I would say Johnson is three and then Flora is four.
• 43:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this isn't an indictment on any of them.
• 43:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just literally, these are four really good play colors.
• 43:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: This is one of the, I will ask this question because it was one of the first times I could confidently ask this question and not put the bears offensive play color easily at four.
• 44:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then I'm trying to figure out the rest.
• 44:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: How would you rate them?
• 44:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: How would I rate it?
• 44:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: OK, I would agree with Kevin O'Connell.
• 44:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: I just, he's done it with Kirk.
• 44:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's done it.
• 44:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's done it.
• 44:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's said we're saying I'm darn old.
• 44:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: He clearly knows what he is doing.
• 44:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then, and schematically as the leader, et cetera, et cetera.
• 44:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: I would put, I would put Ben too.
• 44:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: And that is just in the reason I give him the nod and then I put Dennis and then I put for us and I think like you said I'm putting for us with bottom because what Ben has done to him I think Dennis consistently has been able to just run a more straight up and aggressive defense without all the crazy bells and whistles That floor I seem to be has to the reason I just happen to put Ben over Dennis Allen and this isn't even maybe like a necessary Dennis Allen issue is
• 44:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think we saw Ben Johnson with Jared Goff who's pretty much a cast away right have a top five if not top three in terms of most of those event metrics, EPA per play, all those things.
• 45:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: and that's pretty astounding.
• 45:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then with Dennis Allen, it's more of a, like, I don't know if he has enough pieces.
• 45:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: Does he have enough ingredients to make the super right now?
• 45:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: In terms of what he needs to get pressure and things with that nature, which I mean, I was not even in diamond on Dennis Allen.
• 45:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 45:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: The only thing I'd positive last year, he had guys like Brian Brasay who had a 45 PFF, which again, PFF grades are just to,
• 45:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: way to kind of get a gauge of where this player is, but that player also had 10 seconds.
• 45:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he's scheming things well with less or talent.
• 45:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think there's a political wrong.
• 45:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like if you sat here until we'd done the face that you think Brian Ford is the best play caller in this group, I could hear out an argument because he is just very good at what he's a bad genius was in terms of what he's doing.
• 45:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's my, he's my personal favorite to have to play ball or football.
• 45:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: Just because he's one of the things I'm, I was in a state of football show and there was like this whole trends thing that they were talking about in Robert Bayes was doing his tour around and a bunch of coaches specifically said that they think that they're going to see things more like what Brian for us is doing because it's so difficult to play to play against like that defensive coordinators on a try to do what he's doing.
• 46:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, him and Dan are like the only two of their kind of
• 46:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: All right, love it, hate it, rehabilitate it.
• 46:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: Match up our specific dynamic because that we love for the bears.
• 46:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: When we hate for the bears and one that if you were the coach, you would have focused on fixing for this week or this year, I guess it's week one, it's a little different.
• 46:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: What do you love?
• 46:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Pretty straightforward.
• 46:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: The bears wide receivers and what this passing game could look like against a app hazard, awful set of DBs, especially if you're interested in Smith is not there to be the captain back there.
• 46:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: You mean you're not pumped about Isaiah Rogers and let's see here, Jeff Akuto who's on his like 15 and again.
• 46:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, Joshua and Mattellus, like you're not getting excited about those.
• 47:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, you don't believe it or not, Mason, I'm not.
• 47:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: I, I think that's an excellent excellent choice.
• 47:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: I picked the thing I love is
• 47:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: quarterback for sporter back and I know I get it like I understand where people point to some of the you could say empty staffs when it comes to Caleb and the low bar when it comes to bear sporter backs but at the end of the day I still right now as things sit with
• 47:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: 10 out of 10, a thousand a thousand times take Caleb or Jason McCarthy right now.
• 47:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: And it's nice to have matchups that I can say that about and because there have been bears years where that and help was not the case.
• 47:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: So the, you know, if it comes down to a quarterback duel where it's like on the shoulders of the quarterback, I'm taking Caleb.
• 47:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'll just go into my hate.
• 47:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: My hate is the Vikings run defense against this bears run offense, you know, when you look at the the fronts that you have for the Vikings, it's very different than what you're talking about for their defensive back.
• 48:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: So I mean, Jonathan Allen, you know, Javan Hargrave.
• 48:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: John Finkernard, Andrew Van Ginkl, Blake Cashman, then entire front, it's, it's a good front, you know, and Andrew Van Ginkl was a guy that was kind of an afterthought until he got to Minnesota and then floors as figured out to really weaponize him as an individual.
• 48:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: Jonathan Allen was heard a lot last year, so if people kind of forgotten about his name a little bit, but he is still a very functional player more in the obviously the passing of it, he can definitely stop the run and you just can't forget about Hardgrave and Bernard, you know, Hardgrave again, people were a little hotter on his name a couple years ago, but he is still a very good football player.
• 48:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jonathan Allen is still there too.
• 48:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying Allen's great, but and you combine that just with
• 48:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: I like the off-to-off to line, but we talked about it, the running backs and nothing to... and we didn't even talk about what you're probably, if Rochon Johnson can't go, you're probably elevating, you know, written brown, who looks like, it's just like, yeah, it's, he looked fine in the preseason, but it's nothing new, and I'm getting randy about, and so I just don't, I hate it.
• 49:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: What about you?
• 49:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, kind of in a similar vein, but the defensive play caller and how he could deploy the past rush against a left tackle that's still very much clearly coming back from injury.
• 49:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't care if he deployed Grinard or Van Ginklick.
• 49:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: He could make life very, very, very hard and make too many almost overcompensate to try to help.
• 49:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I will say I know
• 49:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ben had a lot of help out there for Taylor Decker, who's left tackle in Detroit, like he consistently had chip help or whatever, but that also then takes away of target.
• 49:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to be consistently doing that and delaying a target getting out into the field or completely outright taking him off the field if you're just saying, hey, cool.
• 50:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't feel great about Van Ginkl or Grinard lining up over Braxton at this moment, because I think that could make for a very, very long night, especially with how forest does call his defenses.
• 50:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: And actually, it could be blitzes, it could be anything.
• 50:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, and the thing that actually, so I'm going to just wrap mine in because my rehabilitate was the left tackle versus the Vikings Edge talent.
• 50:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I titled this the Battle of Many.
• 50:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: Because exactly, as you said, I think it's going to have to be the chip help from your tight ends.
• 50:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's going to have to be the running back sting in whether that's full-time or on the chip.
• 50:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: And that's really what you're going to have to do.
• 50:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then there's going to be the occasional play where you say, hey, Braxon, this is on you, make this work.
• 50:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: the what florist defense does to you right is it shows in all out blitz and then drops eight in a coverage right it shows we got eight in coverage and then all of a sudden it's in all uplets you're rotating from cover two to cover three and they're just doing it in this very hopefully amorphous way where we have to see if that's going to happen again this year since they have changed a lot of their defensive vaccines that nature but yeah to to your point
• 51:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: where's the pressure coming from?
• 51:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: Can you pass it off?
• 51:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: Do this Braxon have the mobility to be able to get think that the pressure is coming on the outside, but actually it's on the inside, so we've got to step in.
• 51:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: We saw three different times in the preseason that he was not able to do that.
• 51:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm right there with you.
• 51:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: And that's why I put it as my rehabilitate.
• 51:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And my rehabilitate kind of going off of that and you're off your hate it with the running game is rehab the running game.
• 51:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's possible Swift has a good job, has a decent game, and it has maybe even an okay year.
• 51:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was a big Swift fan until I got to, it's like the, it was the demore du rose and thing for me as a bull's fan.
• 51:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: You like the player until you got to deal with him every week or every game.
• 51:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: On the outside, it was great.
• 51:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then you get him on your team and you're like, I got to like this every day.
• 52:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: This is fun when I just turned on the TV, and I was like, that was cool, and then I got to move on.
• 52:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, um, so, and the Andre is maddeningly frustrating, but I hope the the rehab is the line is better and then just schemes with with Dan Rausher just a better blocking scheme.
• 52:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
• 52:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's that's the hope, but I I don't want to say I hate it because I have I think it's going to be better by a bit from because addition of from subtraction.
• 52:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: but largely the same running room.
• 52:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: And you have some very smart office alignment and like Trudon and Toney.
• 52:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 52:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: So my hope is that's better now.
• 52:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I need to see it fully in action to say, hey, it's been rehabilitated.
• 52:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I can maybe love it going forward.
• 52:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: But right now, I think it's firmly in the rehabilitated based off of what we have seen to this point, going back to last year and some of the pre-season, which is just not a fair baseline.
• 53:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: when you're pushing around guys who are now working at like T-Mobile.
• 53:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: X factor for the Vikings.
• 53:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: I put for them, it's about, and this is kind of just essentially what the floor has often, defense, excuse me, doesn't a way, create pressure and get killed to second guest, what are you seeing a modal picture.
• 53:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: If they can do that and you're hoping that you are forcing sex, you're hoping that you're getting the offense to stall, because you want to create some shorter fields for JJ so that they can run the ball heavy
• 53:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: and things like that.
• 53:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's that compound effects, right?
• 53:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: You want to get out early.
• 53:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: You want to be leading 14 to 0, 20, you know, 17 to 0 or some or three by like half time so that you can just grind that clock out and slowly bring JJ along this year instead of being like, you have to go win us games.
• 53:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: My ex-factor is kind of like two and one, as I'm sitting here thinking about it.
• 54:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Kit, we've seen for years, Shanahan do it.
• 54:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Until I think Perti gets almost a bad rap now where people don't appreciate how good he's become.
• 54:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: But early on with Perti and Jimmy Garoppolo and her Shanahan, they would go off.
• 54:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Nick, they would go off.
• 54:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Nick, they with Baker, may feel first start where he was there for four days, and they won the football game or whatever.
• 54:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, don't just merge Baker, may feel it in this podcast.
• 54:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: I love that man.
• 54:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it's still like KOC into McCarthy on the field.
• 54:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're if he can point and shoot, I think if he can do that and just literally just do what play says, if not X then Y, if not Y then Z, you know, like if he just does exactly how it's designed and he can just be the KOC's brain on the field with his attributes, I think that could end up being the X factor because he is so good at what he does.
• 54:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: And arguably, I mean, that's right.
• 54:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: That is what McCarthy did in Michigan.
• 54:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: It was not a lot of throwing.
• 55:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: It was a lot of run.
• 55:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then when we were going to throw, it's here, here, or dump it out.
• 55:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: That was what Michigan was.
• 55:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
• 55:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Keep it rolling.
• 55:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: What's your aspect for the bears?
• 55:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Are we only allowed Caleb once a year still?
• 55:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because otherwise, it's always going to be Caleb.
• 55:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: No, you can do it, Caleb.
• 55:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, you know, I'm going to, I'll say I'll deviate from that for now.
• 55:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: My ex factor for the bears because I think the offense is going to look good enough early on because of the attention to detail.
• 55:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Am I against the gap or the mental air here or there?
• 55:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna go defense this first one.
• 55:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think Montez sweat being the Montez sweat, we saw the second half after his acquisition, versus what he saw all last year, could be a real multiplier for those defense.
• 55:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: If he can be not even elite, but just very good.
• 55:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because he wasn't even very good last year.
• 56:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I know he was hurt and was dealing with things, but he was merely fine.
• 56:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you don't pay $25 million a year for fine.
• 56:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: He has to be very good at a baseline.
• 56:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: I ended up, I had to make a different action on my changes.
• 56:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm now saying,
• 56:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: How well can the bear's convert plays with that?
• 56:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: In theory, it should be a three yard catch and it becomes a 12 yard reception.
• 56:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's that 12 yard catch that becomes a 40 yard one.
• 56:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: So can you get the ball into your playmaker's hands in a way, right, as you just said, right?
• 56:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: If the yard's after catch, right, if that you can stack, because we're creating explosive plays in that way.
• 56:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's something that the lines are very good at because you had a lot of runaway guys.
• 56:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think DJ Moore is a very good runaway guy, OZ is a very good runaway guy with a burden is going to be as far as we can tell a very good runaway guy, Rome's probably one of the only ones that doesn't fully fit that mold in that thought process, depending on the matchup, of course, the lovelins can be a good runaway guy, depending on who's on top on him.
• 57:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: So it's about, you're able to get the ball and your playmaker's hands and let them, yes, it seems like a four-year game, but it becomes nine-ten.
• 57:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: How many of those plays can you stack?
• 57:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Correct agreed.
• 57:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
• 57:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: Overunders presents it by draft kings of the north.
• 57:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: See what I did there.
• 57:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I got bears total rushing yards over under one of two point five rushing under slightly but just under because I think they're going to implement a lot of the screen screen game to almost like supplement the run game.
• 57:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of like what the buck in years did last year for Baker, like we don't run the ball well with Rashad White, this is before they discovered Bucky could play.
• 57:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they have.
• 57:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then they just really had one of the best screen games ever put on film.
• 57:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.
• 57:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: The bear's average the last year, 102 yards per game.
• 58:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: So super fun there.
• 58:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's lit.
• 58:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: Viking Sacks, two and a half.
• 58:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's a hard number.
• 58:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, they'll get three so over.
• 58:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, Lane, uh, this is a pick-up, and I've done- I made this before we saw what was happening here, but let's pretend that Rochon Johnson's gonna play, for the sake of argument.
• 58:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, it's a pick-up touches between Rochon and Menagai.
• 58:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not on guy.
• 58:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 58:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not even sure that Rochon's playing at this point, so I'll give you a point, whatever.
• 58:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would- I would actually doubt it, and- I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-
• 58:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, receptions for Justin Jefferson seven and a half coming off that I think him and I actually think him and Jalen are going to be like on a pitch count of sorts coming back from the soft tissue injuries, but I would say slightly under like six or seven.
• 59:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: And this is another pick them passing yards.
• 59:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: got to be killed.
• 59:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Caleb has to throw for more yards, especially if I'm saying it's true, they're going to not run for a dump at someone with the screen game, those are past yards.
• 59:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's to be.
• 59:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I would agree with that, and I just think too, just out of necessity of what the Vikings run game can be, first of all, the Bears run game can be, it's just the gap is just different too.
• 59:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: All right, almost done here.
• 59:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: Two more categories, bear gut check.
• 59:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: We use our gut feelings, revitalized by kombucha, of course, to give our game predictions against the line.
• 59:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: As we mentioned earlier, fake Vikings app bears, the Vikings are favorite by one and a half.
• 59:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the bears went outright like 27 to 21 or something like that.
• 59:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's not a bad score, actually.
• 59:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: So I was gonna say the bears went outright.
• 59:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think week one, Monday night football, it's gonna be weird.
• 1:00:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think it'll be weird like, oh my god, it's a nine to six game or something like that, but it's on a Thursday night game, but yeah, something where there's a couple of weird bounces here and there not like it necessarily blow out off its or shoot out by any means I like your number actually.
• 1:00:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: Tonight's game, Cowboys at Eagles, the Eagles are favorite by eight and a half.
• 1:00:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the Eagles cover and beat the shit out of the.
• 1:00:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think people are vastly underrating how good the Eagles roster is, like, they're just really good at football and I don't think it's going to change any time soon.
• 1:00:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so I do think the Eagles will win.
• 1:00:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: I do all to me think they'll cover.
• 1:00:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think that the Cowboys offense is also going to be better than people are giving it credit for just in terms of, I think, DAC will be sling it this year.
• 1:00:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: CD and I think George Pickens is a good matchup there.
• 1:00:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: And if CD can, for us, CD to use, if Pickens can keep his head on the shoulders that offense can be very explosive, but the equals are just very good.
• 1:01:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: And that even though, have you seen the number?
• 1:01:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: are you saying Prescott is going back to the future?
• 1:01:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: I hate that.
• 1:01:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: We're moving on.
• 1:01:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: We're fighting.
• 1:01:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, please stop that.
• 1:01:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can't be the dad Joe Guy and hate that.
• 1:01:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: I can't beat you right.
• 1:01:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: Friday night game.
• 1:01:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: By the way, I love that they do this.
• 1:01:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: Don't give me Friday, like the rest of this year, but we won all about it.
• 1:01:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like I fully immerse me in football this first week.
• 1:01:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: Chiefs at Chargers in Brazil, hopefully the field is better at this time.
• 1:01:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the chiefs will cover that right like I think hardballs are really good coach and I actually think the charger are like going to be one of those neat you're going to be one of those typical teams like you don't expect much of them and then you look up at the end of the year and the old one 10 games because Jim hardball is a crazy person and gets the most out of everything but.
• 1:02:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah chiefs cover and win.
• 1:02:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, some people are talking about this game being closer.
• 1:02:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't see that.
• 1:02:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think that what we think of the cheese last year is not what they are going to be this year.
• 1:02:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, they're missing where she writes, but how it would brown is back.
• 1:02:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, they just have, how it would brown's back.
• 1:02:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: As if the Chaco is healthy this year, I think Travis Kelsey's coming in with a different, with a renewed,
• 1:02:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: Conditioning in body this year.
• 1:02:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: This often should be much more explosive than I don't see that for the chargers I mean unless lad Maconkey is otherworldly the them bringing peanut Allen back Had quitting Johnson on that offense.
• 1:02:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: I like a Morgan Hampton, but they also have to say they have my guy Mason.
• 1:02:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: They have my guy But they also like they lost one of their starting tackles one of their best players on that team I just don't know that big got enough like this is more available talk to you next to your team in terms of the chargers
• 1:02:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: Lines at Packers Sunday afternoon, Packers by 2.5.
• 1:03:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the pack is probably covering when I think Detroit is ripe for aggression.
• 1:03:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: You factor in the mica edition, there's a 30 gram glass out center of right guard and tape, ratledge, who was hurt at Georgia and now we're starting and he's been knocked up, nicked up all off season two, like it just doesn't feel like a great starting point for them.
• 1:03:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you know the packers are going to be juiced up with the mica edition.
• 1:03:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna go contouring around this.
• 1:03:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: I do think there's a regression of bitful lines because of just some brain drain.
• 1:03:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I think the lines and how dang can't will operate are gonna come out in the, we're gonna prove them wrong kind of mentality.
• 1:03:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: I feel, I wonder if the packers come out a little too chesty and are like, you know, we've arrived.
• 1:03:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: And we still have a lot of question marks on that offense.
• 1:03:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: When it comes to, you know, a lot of questions I marked as the quarterback.
• 1:04:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: the recorded back as a question mark Matthew golden we don't know what he's going to be do they have enough on that offense truly truly to like consistently I mean obviously we've seen them as a top you know EPA etc team but I'm going to take the lions right to actually win and win at winning cover obviously done but kind of a surprise one there and last one in this category ravens at bill Sunday night ravens by a point-and-half
• 1:04:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the Ravens are going to be in the Super Bowl this year and I think Lamar is going to be a bit mad that he was.
• 1:04:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of wrongly not given is MVP for the kind of he robs that MVP that was be us yeah I'm trying to be nice about it because I already know on the Lamar guy like.
• 1:04:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: In every sense whether you look at just stats whether they're traditional art of fans, I mean you look at him as the AP first team all for a quarter But he's been the best of a full player on the face of the planet for the last three years.
• 1:05:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know Pat Mahomes is still that guy and when you get to the playoffs, all bets are off with Pat.
• 1:05:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's in his Tim Duncan era kind of thing like just get me to the playoffs and we'll figure out the rest later.
• 1:05:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, but Lamar is
• 1:05:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, good, it flipped off.
• 1:05:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think he's going to have a point to prove and Derek Henry until prove it.
• 1:05:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, is a cyborg, like 32, 2600, whatever touches later.
• 1:05:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of don't care until he proves that I should care.
• 1:05:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just think they're really good, man.
• 1:05:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And John Harbauza, good coach, and Dekos, those good GM, and it's the best run organization
• 1:05:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: Great, a great, a great, a great.
• 1:05:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: All right, coxics and bull story.
• 1:05:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: This is our bold prediction section.
• 1:05:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: I got one for offense and defense.
• 1:05:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: What do you got?
• 1:06:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I would just say I've got one on offense.
• 1:06:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's, I think Caleb's going to throw three touchdowns.
• 1:06:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: Ooh, that would be nice.
• 1:06:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: That would be nice.
• 1:06:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: That would be nice start to that this season, geez.
• 1:06:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to, okay, I'm going to push you one further.
• 1:06:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's not that this is your bold prediction.
• 1:06:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: Who catches those three touchdowns?
• 1:06:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll say DJ gets one, we'll say D.I.
• 1:06:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'd like to make this one, and we'll say Colston gets his first NFL one.
• 1:06:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm draft Kings, there is actually like a fun one.
• 1:06:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna see if I can find it really cool.
• 1:06:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'll start trying to look for it, but there's a fun one that's like a nice combo with Colston moving, catching a touchdown.
• 1:06:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: So if you believe Colston loves it, catch a touchdown, go to draft Kings because and I'll try to find exactly what that one looks where that is.
• 1:06:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's a fun one.
• 1:06:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, mine, come somewhere to yours, a little, I guess, not as bold to be fair, but I had for offense, Colson, Lovelin, and OZ, Elameda Zikias, score a touchdown each, and then I had on defense, Kyle recording it's a sack.
• 1:07:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's fun.
• 1:07:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm just all about, like, Kyle Gordon is just one of my favorite bears.
• 1:07:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: I just need him to stay healthy.
• 1:07:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I think with Dennis Allen and how creative he is, and aggressive he is, that just matches so well with.
• 1:07:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: Not just, I mean, Briskard is also a good match but I think that is Allen, but specifically Kyle Gordon, it's just like a fun match.
• 1:07:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
• 1:07:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
• 1:07:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: All right, I'm almost, oh, game specials found it.
• 1:07:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so there's a game special at plus 400.
• 1:07:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: Caleb claims to have 275 pass yards and hosts 11 to score one plus receiving yards.
• 1:07:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: Receiving touchdown.
• 1:07:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you can go through a little sprinkle on that.
• 1:07:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, plus 400.
• 1:07:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: All right, awesome show.
• 1:07:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: Good to be back.
• 1:07:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: Got some rust that ad read was rough on my end.
• 1:07:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: So thanks for everyone for bearing with me.
• 1:07:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: And we are to start the season with the Monday night game.
• 1:07:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I hate this because now, yes, you need to enjoy your Sunday, but now I'm antsy waiting for Monday night to happen.
• 1:08:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, I'm excited about it.
• 1:08:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: Glad to see this back.
• 1:08:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: same.
• 1:08:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a fun year and finally a year with expectations.
• 1:08:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Don't move your goal post bears fans.
• 1:08:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is the year you're supposed to want wins and not start to root for the tank when things go a little south.
• 1:08:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, just enjoy the game, enjoy the season and football's back, baby.
• 1:08:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Meeting full football is here.
• 1:08:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: Too bad it's just simply the Cowboys in theory just getting absolutely pants, but yeah, all right,
• 1:08:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: All right, everyone, a great stream.
• 1:08:37
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• 1:08:42
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• 1:08:45
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• 1:08:49
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• 1:08:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: We're done, everybody.